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Hey, are you listening Well, hey, are you listening?

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This is a podcast exploring the past, present,

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and future of Christian music. My name is Joel.

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I'm here with my good friend Brandon. And we

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connected over a mutual love of some particular

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artists, but also have kind of different tastes.

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And so we get to expose each other to new stuff

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while inviting some friends along for the ride.

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And Brandon, I get to get exposed to something

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new today in the record that we're going to be

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talking about. with one of our friends that we've

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already had on before, and that's Brian Olson

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from the band Voda, is joining us again to talk

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through their brand new record back to the start.

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And so that's kind of a fun thing. I know it's

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something that you, it's a band that you've already

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had a connection with, but for me it's brand

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new, which is cool. Yeah, it's really cool. I

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get to have to see a band that, you know, how

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has their music changed, you know, from when

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I first found them in the late 2000s to now.

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I think it's also really cool that we get to

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sit down with the artists and ask them about

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their album and kind of just sit down and see

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their thoughts on it. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be fun.

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I'm looking forward to digging into that. But

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before we get into it, let's check the mail.

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All right. Well today a friend of the show, Emily,

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asks us this. Dear Brandon and Joel, what's the

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strangest thing that you've ever seen on stage

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at a concert? Brandon, any thoughts? Strangest

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thing that you've seen on stage at a concert?

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What people around me thought was strange or

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what I thought was strange? I don't know. I think

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the two that come to mind, I thought they were

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really cool. was we were at a show years ago

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and it was the first Me Without You show we'd

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ever gone to. And the whole show, Aaron was just

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so like weird on stage. And he would, like at

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one point he was like, hey, did anyone like see

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us in Charlotte last night? And people start

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like cheering and he's like, did anyone happen

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to bring a cell phone? No one says anything.

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He's like, I lost my cell phone last night. So

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he was like, I need someone to call my mom and

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tell her that I'm like. haven't died or something

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he was like or you can tell her i died and it'll

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be a surprise when i make it home it was just

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such a like weird show at one point he's got

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like a towel over his head he's just like playing

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uh i think with angel of death um came to david's

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room um and then family horse five they used

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to do this thing where um like um their guitarist

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chapstick he would like uh start doing this like

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solo this uh this solo for radiator and he would

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start like licking the guitar and i was just

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like i have never seen anyone do this but i saw

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a lot of people that were like that's disgusting

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why would you do that to your guitar and um so

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i think those are the two things that stand out

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that i i didn't think was weird but i think the

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general audience would feel is weird you don't

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think licking guitar is weird I thought I back

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then I thought it was so cool and even now I'm

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like man if I went to a show and someone started

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doing that I would be like that's cool as a guitar

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player I yeah I can't recommend doing that I

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don't know. Yeah, two that I think of. So one

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is just kind of a standard that I felt like so

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many people have been able to experience throughout

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the years and going to see the newsboys. But

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I just remember one, seeing the newsboys early

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on and John James walking out in this like, this

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like sparkle. Suit that the lights just shine

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off of and you literally can't even like see

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him because he's radiating so much light which

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fit with their whole like shine yeah beam So

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that he could shine literally shine lights Um,

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and, and then I probably also fit with their

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record love Liberty disco a little bit. So it

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just, they just kind of kept on with it. But

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then of course newsboys had their like gimmick

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of like the drum cage that goes up and then flips

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upside down. So back in the day, it was like

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Peter Ferler playing drums and all of a sudden,

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man, Peter's upside down playing drums and he

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keeps going. Um, later on a band that I loved,

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uh, the band mute math, um, they did crazy stuff

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on stage. Their lead singer was always doing

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like handstands on his piano, all kinds of wild

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stuff, but every show their drummer would walk

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out and he didn't use a monitor, he used headphones

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and so... like the kind of studio headphones

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that we wear for this podcast. And he would put

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these headphones on his head, but because he

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was such a crazy drummer, they wouldn't stay

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on. And so he literally every show take a roll

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of duct tape and duct tape around the headphones

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and around his chin to make sure that the headphones

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weren't going to fall off during the show. And

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I'm just imagining the pain of after the concert

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every night, like pulling that duct tape off

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of his face. Um, I don't, again, I don't know

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if I recommend that, but I feel like it must've

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been effective, um, in the moment. So, um, yeah,

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those that cool again, just a strange, strange

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thing. So, yeah, artists do interesting things

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sometimes. So kind of fun. Good question. Um,

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yeah, if you've got questions for us or things

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that you like us to discuss, we would be happy.

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to do that. You can send your questions to us

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at heyareulisteningpod at gmail .com and we'd

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love to get into those. Let's talk a little bit

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about what we've been listening to lately, Brandon.

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What have you been spending time with? So it's

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not in the Christian category. It's not even

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mainstream, Joel. It falls under, I guess, soundtrack

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would probably be it. It's this children's show

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called Kiff. Disney. I don't know if you've ever

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heard of it. Nope. The main characters it's like

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a squirrel and a rabbit that I guess are in middle

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school. I don't think they ever explained the

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ages because I mean they're doing stuff like

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building a rocket to go to space but they're

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also in school so I guess that's something that

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maybe like a 14 year old would do. I guess if

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I had to think 13 or 14 year olds are probably

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capable of being in school but also Building

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a spaceship to go to space makes sense Yeah,

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and um, but they do like each each episode has

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like an original song and It's like afterwards.

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I'll send you some of the songs, but it is like

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Awesome, like if they I got to the point to where

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I don't buy a lot of vinyl because I'm more of

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a Hey, when will this go on sale or what can

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I get for under $10? But I have searched online

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to see if I could find this on vinyl and I was

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like, I don't care how much it is. I'm going

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to purchase it. Like that's how good, uh, the

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songs are. So I've just been listening to that

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and enjoying it. So like I said, it's definitely

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very like out in left field. Cause I am like,

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I don't care for musicals. I don't care usually

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for children's music, but um, The soundtrack

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to Kiff, I guess particular season two has just

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really taken a hold of my ears. Yeah. Interesting.

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Well, Brandon, I do want to hear that. So please

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send it my way. Um, kind of fascinating. Um,

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one thing I've been listening to, um, that I

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kind of wasn't expecting. So there's like a singer

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songwriter that I started listening to years

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ago. I think I saw him, um, open up for one of

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my favorite bands, Wilco, um, back in the day.

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And his name's Joseph Arthur and he, he put out

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some pretty popular songs. He has a song that,

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um, called in the sun that he put out years ago

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that, um, I think Coldplay ended up covering.

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Um, and it got some pretty good traction from

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that. And then he had a few albums. He had an

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album called redemption sun. That I really liked

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and they're like these like christian themes

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running throughout his music But you're always

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like what what's going on with this guy? Like

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is he a christian? Is he not a christian? Like

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I don't I don't really know even though it like

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shows up in all of his music Yeah, it's kind

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of like a hippie kind of guy Well, he has a new

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album that just got announced and apparently

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it's going to be a trio of albums Called well

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this one this one at least is called you're not

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a ghost anymore Colin faith and and so there's

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one track that's been released from that from

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the album and I'm just like you you look at the

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song titles for those and I'm like this guy like

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I Think has like made a pretty significant turn

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in his life because this looks like Looks like

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a straight -up Christian album just from like

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the the song titles that are out there And so

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when you go and look at the, the tracks, um,

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the song that's out now is called, I want to

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know you. There's a song called, Hey, Satan song

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called he died. Um, a song called no weapon,

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um, bear your own cross there, but for the grace,

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um, there, uh, counted all joy, Holy spirit in

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the shadow of the cross. And so it just definitely

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seems like, um, This is like a Christian record

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that he's putting out and I love his stuff. It's

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very creative and very interesting. And so I'm

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kind of interested to see what's gonna come from

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this. So yeah, I recommend people checking it

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out. You're not a ghost anymore. Faith by Joseph

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Arthur. All right, well, let's get into our main

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discussion for today. All right, well we are

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back again and today we're going to be talking

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about the album back to the start by the band

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Voda. And the fun thing is, is that our friend

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Brian Olson from Voda is back with us as we kind

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of dig into this record today. And it's kind

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of a cool thing because we've never... had the

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opportunity to talk about an album with an artist

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and like ask all the questions about the record

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that we have after spending time with it. So

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it's like a new one for us. I love it. I'm kind

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of pumped. Here, I got to set the ground rules.

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I know you should set the ground rules, but you

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need to speak your true heart. You know, like

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I had this picture of like when someone shared

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me their song and they're playing it, you know

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how like you bob your head a lot because they're

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there in the room and you're trying to show that

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person like, yeah, I'm really digging this, even

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though you wouldn't be bobbing your head if you

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were listening to it. So none of that. You just

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be yourselves and tear me apart when and where

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you need to and this is fun. It's gonna be really

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funny if Brian says all that and then he's the

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one that's like talking bad about it. I know

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we love track three and he's like you guys seriously

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like I hate this man. I know I'm sure that as

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an artist there there's probably obviously your

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heart goes into something that you create like

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this but I'm sure that you know when you release

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some There's always things that you're like,

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I wish we could have done this differently or

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whatever it may be. I don't know. I've only ever

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heard of one band before that they made a statement

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that just blew my mind one time and they said,

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no, every album that we've ever released, we

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think is perfect for the time and place that

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it came out. And we love them all. It wouldn't

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change anything about them. And I'm like, wow,

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okay, that's cool. All right, so we're talking

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about Back to the Start by Voda. So here is some

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information that I pulled offline. And then I'll

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just kind of, Brian, let you, after I read this,

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kind of fill in gaps and give us a little bit

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more history. But this is basically a statement

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from you guys. So this album came out, I think,

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January 23rd this year, 2026. And what you guys

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had to say about it is this album is us hitting

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reset. It's about stripping everything back to

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why we started making music in the first place,

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before the pressure, the business, the expectations,

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back when it was just about loving the sounds,

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the songs, and the emotions behind them. We're

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returning to our creative roots, writing not

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to chase trends, but to tell the truth. We didn't

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make this album for charts or radio. We made

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it for ourselves and our fans. Yeah, that's cool.

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Give us more. Yeah, man, I just felt like there's

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something my kids said to me they were like dad

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we kind of miss music like your very first album

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and It's and it resonated with me because I realized

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you know the first very first album ever did

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it was Before we had any attention from record

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labels or anything. We just did it because that's

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What we thought we needed to do we made we made

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the music without that sort of outside influence

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and I'm not saying that the albums that we've

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done since have been that way but there is that

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reality of like okay now we're trying to blend

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art and money for to make a living and that can

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get tricky it can be an interesting blend um

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and so sometimes you're like well we need a radio

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single we need this whatever and you're thinking

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along those lines And this album was just stripped

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that all away after, you know, events in my life

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and just where I was at personally, my bandmate

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and I, we were like, you know what, let's, we

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have to make something we're proud of. I heard

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Rick Rubin on a podcast say something similar.

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It's like you, I know it almost sounds weirdly

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arrogant, but we have to... we have to love it

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and be proud of it first before we release it.

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And as an artist, by the time an album releases,

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we've recorded, sung, listened to mixes and stuff

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a hundred times per song. And you're kind of

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like, you've lost the shine for each song. And

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you can always be your own worst critic. And

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like most art, at some point you have to let

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it go and stop tweaking it. But that's what we

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did. That's the approach that we we did. We did

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it musically. We did it lyrically. Like, let's

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just let's take that approach. And so I'm I'm

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really proud of it for that reason. That's awesome.

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Well, I guess go ahead and we dive into the album.

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Yeah, I was just going to say usually when we

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cover a record, we talk about like our history

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with this. And so obviously, Brian's got a lot

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of history with this music and with this band.

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Um, but Brandon, for us, maybe it's helpful to

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give, uh, for a little context. So for me, I'll

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just say, I, so when you came to me and said,

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Hey, I've been talking to this guy from the band

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Voda, um, and he's interested in coming on the

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podcast. I'm like, awesome. Um, but I'd never

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heard, I'd never heard of you guys. And I think

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it was just a, like a timing thing maybe for

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me where I kind of grew up more in the like mid

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nineties through mid two thousands. And Brandon's

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a little later than that. And so it's cool for

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me for this like to be my first introduction

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to your music. And I'm especially interested

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now after like conversations from the earlier

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episode that we had you on to to be able to go

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back and listen to some of the other stuff and

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kind of trace some of the like. Different changes

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and things that that you've kind of talked about

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over the course of it. But it was a really fun

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introduction for me It's just like a I'm a brand

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new listener to this which is cool, but you have

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a history with with this Brandon, right? Yeah,

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I discovered Boda I saw their music video for

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their song hard to believe on TV and I was like

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I think that like I I don't know if I caught

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the name at first So it might have been like,

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alright, let me wait till I see this music video

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pop up again like randomly um I feel like that's

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a weird concept for people to realize that back

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in the day you couldn't just like hum a song

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like I remember the radio stuff would come on

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and I'd be like this song comes on every day

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at like 3 43 so tomorrow I can hear a little

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bit more of it um so once once I discovered who

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it was I picked up the album and I think it was

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like uh 2008 or 2009 when it came out the self

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-titled one and um And I just, I really liked

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it because it was a time where I listened to

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a lot of stuff on the radio, but I was discovering

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bands that I felt like were kind of doing their

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own thing. And I think that even, I think it

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was a review I read on Jesus Free Hideout where

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they were talking about how that album, it was

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like a little bit ahead of its time. Like they

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were like, man, like a lot of the stuff they

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were doing like a year or two later, you see

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this popped up on a lot of stuff. So for me,

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I kind of just saw Voda as a band that it felt

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like they were kind of doing their own thing.

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And I appreciated that because, you know, and

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even as we dive into this album, I think what's

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cool is that whenever a band is doing their own

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thing, like even if it's a track that maybe like

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doesn't resonate with me, I'm like, well, man,

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I wonder what they're going for. Or I almost

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like appreciate. you know what i'm glad that

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they didn't release uh you know because it'd

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been easy to release an album of here's what

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people love let's just you know copy and paste

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this 10 times like i appreciate when a band is

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like no we're gonna do something a little bit

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different we're gonna try this and um so for

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me when this album came out um i thought that

00:19:10.029 --> 00:19:12.609
was so cool to not just be all right well let's

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put out Just something it's we want to put out

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something that we are proud of and that we're

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happy with and you know We I guess like for y

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'all. It's like we hope the fans like this We

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assume they'll like this but you know, so yeah

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for me and and just even like, you know sitting

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down there's so many times where I wish that

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I could ask an artist like why was this done?

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And so for me whenever you mentioned going through

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the album it was like, man, this is so cool to

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kind of get this almost VIP experience where

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you're getting to sit down with, you know, an

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artist and get to ask, man, so why, why'd y 'all

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do this? Or how did this idea come to be? Um,

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I feel like is, is really cool. So I love that

00:20:00.660 --> 00:20:04.259
Brandon, you mentioned something about, um, just

00:20:04.259 --> 00:20:08.279
artists making music and who is this for? Like,

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um, Are we making music for ourselves that we

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love, that we're passionate about? Are we making

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music for our fans? Brian, as you think through

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that and you think about this record specifically,

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I know that in the thing that we read earlier,

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you talked about how you made it for yourselves

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and for your fans. But what is the balance of

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that maybe for you? And who are you thinking

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about most when you're creating? Is it kind of

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coming just from a What do I what do I want to

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make? What do I want to put out into the world?

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Or are you kind of thinking about thinking about

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your fans as you do that? I think it just kind

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of sometimes all swims together in your mind.

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And I'm definitely I'm I'm not a jazz artist

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or so obscure like thing where the music's taking

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all these weird left turns and it's not melodic

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or I love pop music. I love big songs. I'm a

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fan of everything that has sold millions of records.

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You know, I'm not like, I'm so indie that, oh

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no, that's, it's like, no, I mean, the stuff

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I, the stuff I grew up reflects that. And so

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you're looking for that energy in a song and

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you want, you want the chorus to feel different

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and to lift and to, and to, and so there's, there's

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always that. And at the same time, sometimes

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it's, it's a lyrical content too. It's like,

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okay. Frankly, honestly, I get tired of a lot

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of modern Christian music that just has the same

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old phrases regurgitated over and over again.

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We lift our hands, we praise your name. Like,

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okay, somebody surprised me with, say something

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that makes me think a little bit differently,

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you know? And so I wanted to be able to really

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find my voice in that. bring that into the song

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as well. So it's that mix of like, yeah, I don't

00:22:00.190 --> 00:22:02.069
want, we're not going to make 12 minute songs

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that no one's ever going to have an attention

00:22:04.089 --> 00:22:07.769
span to listen to. They're going to have energy.

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They're going to have surprises. They're going

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to be rock and pop and everything in between.

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So you are thinking of an audience a little bit

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in that because I don't want to do shows by myself.

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I want people to come to it. So you are thinking

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it, but you're also taking a risk going, well,

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I'm going to say this. And I hope that's OK.

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And I'm going to do this. I'm going to take this

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left turn musically. Because I think it feels

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great. And it's what we should do. So hopefully,

00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:38.920
everybody likes that. You know what I mean? Yeah.

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That's awesome. I'll just say off the top, I

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love all the left turns on this album. So I think

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they're really fun. So I for sure definitely

00:22:49.579 --> 00:22:52.960
appreciate it. I'd love to tell you, so our producer,

00:22:52.980 --> 00:22:55.119
his name is Riley Friesen. He used to be the

00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:58.980
guitarist in our band. He's from Nebraska. He

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used to work at, when he was like a teenager,

00:23:01.500 --> 00:23:03.440
he worked at Guitar Center and our bass player

00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:06.200
at the time, like started talking to him about

00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.880
buying gear and stuff like that. And then we

00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:11.660
took him out on the road and his passion was

00:23:11.660 --> 00:23:14.319
always to record and produce. And our producer

00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:17.079
at the time, Nate Dantzler, who's actually now

00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:19.319
a world -class mastering engineer who mastered

00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:25.029
our album. Riley went under his wings in LA and

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kind of learned his craft and has become a producer

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on his own now. And this particular album, I

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think I told you guys in the last episode, I

00:23:32.809 --> 00:23:35.369
work with a unique Christian organization that

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does strategic leadership events. And we made

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some special albums just for the guys that go

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through this program. that you can't get anywhere

00:23:46.900 --> 00:23:49.140
else. They're not on any socials. It's like they

00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:53.299
get a vinyl album that's a gift. And so, back

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to the start, and an album for this organization

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was recorded at the same time in just over a

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week in Estes, Colorado, in the house that the

00:24:02.980 --> 00:24:05.119
organization owns, like right on the big Thompson

00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:09.000
River. So Riley brought all his necessary...

00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:14.079
gear to Estes and a buddy of mine has like a

00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:16.599
zillion guitar amps and that we we brought all

00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:18.059
the drums and everything set up in the living

00:24:18.059 --> 00:24:22.180
room and pretty much got two albums done recorded

00:24:22.180 --> 00:24:26.859
in a week. a little over a week, and it was amazing.

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The drums sounded killer in the room, and we

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were right on the river, so when you're working

00:24:32.299 --> 00:24:33.819
really hard and you need a break, you can just

00:24:33.819 --> 00:24:36.019
go out on the deck and see the river go by. We

00:24:36.019 --> 00:24:38.599
had a blast. And Riley is just world -class.

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He mixed and he produced this album and contributed

00:24:43.619 --> 00:24:47.740
on some of the song stuff, too. Even some stuff

00:24:47.740 --> 00:24:50.180
he doesn't take credit for, but sometimes we

00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:51.680
would be stuck on something like, I think you

00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:54.069
should do this before we hit the bridge. Yeah,

00:24:54.329 --> 00:24:56.970
that's a great idea. So just want to give him

00:24:56.970 --> 00:24:59.329
a shout out. It was part of this was getting

00:24:59.329 --> 00:25:02.910
to be with just really good friends. That's one

00:25:02.910 --> 00:25:05.569
of my biggest joys when I see Riley doing his

00:25:05.569 --> 00:25:09.009
thing and and John and we're like, we're making

00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:11.369
art together, but we're having fun doing it.

00:25:11.509 --> 00:25:14.289
It's like. man that's it's got to be what heaven's

00:25:14.289 --> 00:25:17.490
going to be alike at least a little bit I love

00:25:17.490 --> 00:25:20.049
that you mentioned the drums this is getting

00:25:20.049 --> 00:25:22.130
a little out of my stuff but that's one of my

00:25:22.130 --> 00:25:24.890
favorite things about this record are the drums

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they sound so good and so I can only imagine

00:25:28.730 --> 00:25:30.869
what they were like in the room but on the record

00:25:30.869 --> 00:25:35.049
they they they came through really well and so

00:25:35.049 --> 00:25:39.430
that's fun Yeah, that's cool. So you're telling

00:25:39.430 --> 00:25:41.730
us though that there's a whole other record out

00:25:41.730 --> 00:25:46.809
there Is that ever gonna make itself publicly

00:25:46.809 --> 00:25:49.690
available or does it stay kind of an insider

00:25:49.690 --> 00:25:52.029
thing? I don't know. It's a pretty beautiful

00:25:52.029 --> 00:25:55.450
thing when you The the harbor ministries that

00:25:55.450 --> 00:25:59.210
I work for they invest heavily in 20 guy leaders

00:25:59.210 --> 00:26:02.720
at a time. Yeah, and so when we present that

00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:05.299
gift to those guys they're like wow this is so

00:26:05.299 --> 00:26:08.880
cool that we we poured heart and soul into i

00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.000
mean that organization has had about a thousand

00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.440
men go through it since its inception yeah and

00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:17.660
so the fact that we are able to give them an

00:26:17.660 --> 00:26:19.960
album that can't be found anywhere else yeah

00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.819
um and it we do a lot of those songs at the event

00:26:22.819 --> 00:26:24.900
so it kind of time stamps what god's doing in

00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:28.039
their lives and so Uh, i'm sure I can all that

00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.220
to say i'm sure I can give you a link if if you

00:26:30.220 --> 00:26:32.079
want to hear something and there and there's

00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:34.980
some overlap like the song stay wild that concept

00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:39.400
of Stay wild came from harbor. It came from the

00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:41.980
founder of harbor. We we came up with this kind

00:26:41.980 --> 00:26:45.420
of phrase where You on the surface stay wild

00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:47.740
sounds like yeah, just just be on the edge and

00:26:47.740 --> 00:26:50.759
crazy, but no There's separate words there sometimes

00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:55.250
staying is a very wild thing to do. And sometimes

00:26:55.250 --> 00:27:01.789
not changing the formula is a very wild thing

00:27:01.789 --> 00:27:04.609
to do. It's not evolving. Not everything has

00:27:04.609 --> 00:27:07.970
to be like an American corporation that trends

00:27:07.970 --> 00:27:11.069
upwards all the time. And so that's where that

00:27:11.069 --> 00:27:12.930
kind of song came from a little bit, at least

00:27:12.930 --> 00:27:14.769
the title of it. And so we wrote a title track

00:27:14.769 --> 00:27:17.309
that Stay Wild is on the other album. It's also

00:27:17.309 --> 00:27:20.480
on our album. Gotcha. That's cool. So that was

00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.539
one of my questions. I guess let's just jump,

00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.720
jump into the tracks. Um, so stay wild. I had

00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:28.519
a question about that. I was wondering like,

00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.279
what, what was kind of like the inspiration behind

00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:34.880
that? And so I love the idea of taking that as

00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:38.000
like two separate words and kind of what's contained

00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.700
in there. It's, that's fun to get like a, a kind

00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:44.519
of a backdrop on that one. Well, yeah, the chorus

00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.799
I've walked through fire, walked a lonely road

00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:49.430
towards something greater. I'm born to stay wild.

00:27:50.190 --> 00:27:54.150
Like the Christian walk, it takes one moment

00:27:54.150 --> 00:27:56.789
to move from faith to fear, depending on the

00:27:56.789 --> 00:27:58.789
circumstance that God might allow in your life.

00:28:00.430 --> 00:28:04.630
And none of us escapes walking by faith. You

00:28:04.630 --> 00:28:08.549
know, like God on this side of eternity has chosen

00:28:08.549 --> 00:28:13.069
to reveal himself in the way he has. And that

00:28:13.069 --> 00:28:17.319
path, that pursuit, when you're leaning in, it's

00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:20.000
a that is a wild that's a wild way to live to

00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.500
have that sort of faith no matter what um no

00:28:23.500 --> 00:28:25.339
matter what you face that might give you doubt

00:28:25.339 --> 00:28:27.579
sometimes so that's kind of where that song came

00:28:27.579 --> 00:28:30.420
from is just like pressing on um even when it

00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:33.420
seems like god is absent or even punishing you

00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:37.039
in some ways that's cool is my so this is my

00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.720
first votive song to listen to and so um The

00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.319
drums kicked in and I was instantly like, wow,

00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.539
OK, this is cool. Like, I love what was happening

00:28:47.539 --> 00:28:50.160
there. And then the guitars came in and I'm like,

00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:55.019
these guitars are huge in such a cool way. You

00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:58.339
can you can totally hear like, man, it's like

00:28:58.339 --> 00:29:00.240
you just want to you want to hear the song live

00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.160
in an arena because it just feels like it feels

00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:08.019
really big. So speaking of that, I I feel like

00:29:08.019 --> 00:29:10.869
every episode I mentioned this, but like whenever

00:29:10.869 --> 00:29:12.650
I'm listening to an album I've gotten to the

00:29:12.650 --> 00:29:14.829
point where I listen to it almost as if it's

00:29:14.829 --> 00:29:17.589
a concert like if I if they said they're doing

00:29:17.589 --> 00:29:19.670
you know five -year anniversary and we're playing

00:29:19.670 --> 00:29:22.630
through this record so that's kind of how I see

00:29:22.630 --> 00:29:25.430
it is I'll think to myself like man if this was

00:29:25.430 --> 00:29:27.730
a show how would I feel about like you know how

00:29:27.730 --> 00:29:31.150
it begins how it ends like track listing so like

00:29:31.150 --> 00:29:34.730
I was I was curious whenever you are going into

00:29:34.730 --> 00:29:36.750
you know I don't know any album or maybe just

00:29:36.750 --> 00:29:41.079
this album um is there any thought like i guess

00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.140
how much goes into here's the order we want for

00:29:45.140 --> 00:29:49.380
them it feels like two different questions let

00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:54.660
me try to answer it um i try to make sure we're

00:29:54.660 --> 00:29:57.339
writing and record songs that push me i i don't

00:29:57.339 --> 00:29:59.019
want to totally think about how i'm going to

00:29:59.019 --> 00:30:01.299
perform it live because a lot of times there's

00:30:01.299 --> 00:30:04.730
guitar riffs that are hard to do and sing at

00:30:04.730 --> 00:30:06.650
the same time. And I'm like, okay, this one's

00:30:06.650 --> 00:30:09.309
gonna be tough once, but you know, like I gotta

00:30:09.309 --> 00:30:14.049
figure it out. But the actual flow of the album,

00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:17.630
yes, that is something we, once the songs are

00:30:17.630 --> 00:30:20.910
done and trying to sort through, cause I do the

00:30:20.910 --> 00:30:22.609
same thing with the set list, depending on what

00:30:22.609 --> 00:30:24.829
the gig is, right? What should we start off here?

00:30:24.849 --> 00:30:27.130
What's the audience? Who are we playing for tonight?

00:30:27.289 --> 00:30:31.750
You know, and so. Yeah, well, I mean obviously

00:30:31.750 --> 00:30:34.849
we thought pretty hard on on on what the what

00:30:34.849 --> 00:30:39.049
the order should be on that album And sometimes

00:30:39.049 --> 00:30:41.009
I'm glad you love the drums because part of me

00:30:41.009 --> 00:30:43.990
is like, ah Was that a wise move to like the

00:30:43.990 --> 00:30:46.190
first track just kind of be this drums by itself

00:30:46.190 --> 00:30:48.690
for a good You know a good period of time before

00:30:48.690 --> 00:30:51.990
yes comes in. I love that little bit of a bold

00:30:51.990 --> 00:30:56.250
decision. Mm -hmm Yeah, it's like I said earlier

00:30:56.250 --> 00:30:58.309
and we're talking about the left turns like I

00:30:58.309 --> 00:31:01.539
love those kinds of decisions, um, on songs,

00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:03.460
on records, especially when you're starting out

00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:07.839
like this. And so, um, and all the guitars are

00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.460
through big amps. There's nothing in the box.

00:31:10.660 --> 00:31:13.220
It's like, uh, I could show you a picture of

00:31:13.220 --> 00:31:17.180
about seven amps I had lined up and I would just

00:31:17.180 --> 00:31:19.119
like, let's match this head with this amp and

00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.700
throw this in. And we just, we had a, we had

00:31:21.700 --> 00:31:26.119
a blast. I love that. That's awesome. So well

00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.740
next we move into try I was listening to it.

00:31:30.740 --> 00:31:34.279
I was I Kept picturing it. It sounded like something

00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:36.660
you would see off of like a Peter Ferler like

00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:40.500
his solo album it were okay a lot of that and

00:31:40.500 --> 00:31:43.660
I was like man, this is this is really cool because

00:31:43.660 --> 00:31:49.039
I could see I could like see that being on like

00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.380
that or whatever and It was cool because I was

00:31:52.380 --> 00:31:55.609
going through some of the the performances you

00:31:55.609 --> 00:31:57.789
had done I think it was last year or the year

00:31:57.789 --> 00:32:01.470
before with Peter and I think it was Phil Joel

00:32:01.470 --> 00:32:05.190
at a couple of festivals. So I was wondering

00:32:05.190 --> 00:32:09.150
like you know are there any kind of influences

00:32:09.150 --> 00:32:12.130
or when you were going through this album was

00:32:12.130 --> 00:32:15.470
there anything you were like listening to like

00:32:15.470 --> 00:32:19.269
musically that was kind of helping influence

00:32:19.269 --> 00:32:23.500
it at all? I wouldn't say, I tour a lot with

00:32:23.500 --> 00:32:27.619
Peter. One side fact that you guys maybe know

00:32:27.619 --> 00:32:30.539
or don't know, but Voda is Peter's backing band.

00:32:31.059 --> 00:32:33.680
And I take all his booking requests. So we did

00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:35.640
a lot of house shows and private shows and stuff

00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:39.579
like that. And when we can, we get to be Peter's

00:32:39.579 --> 00:32:43.079
backing man, which is just a blast for me. But

00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:47.470
I wouldn't say his music influenced this. particular

00:32:47.470 --> 00:32:50.349
thing, stuff I was listening to. I mean, I'm

00:32:50.349 --> 00:32:55.190
a huge fan of the band Muse. Post Malone, strangely

00:32:55.190 --> 00:32:59.170
enough, like there's a lot of different influences

00:32:59.170 --> 00:33:03.069
there. But this song in particular, John and

00:33:03.069 --> 00:33:06.269
I operate as a two piece now, like a 21 pilot

00:33:06.269 --> 00:33:09.769
sort of vibe. And I had this special guitar that

00:33:09.769 --> 00:33:13.309
has like a sub octave on the bass side and those

00:33:13.309 --> 00:33:15.549
go to bass cabinets and then the guitars go to

00:33:15.549 --> 00:33:18.470
the guitar cabinets while we're playing and when

00:33:18.470 --> 00:33:20.670
we were practicing a lot of things I had an open

00:33:20.670 --> 00:33:23.990
tuning like an open D tuning and sometimes we

00:33:23.990 --> 00:33:27.039
would just jam And I am like, ooh, there's some

00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.180
cool riffs here. Let's just record that. And

00:33:29.180 --> 00:33:32.900
Try came from a lot of those open D sort of weird

00:33:32.900 --> 00:33:35.599
tuning sessions, which makes things fun when

00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:37.440
you go to do something live like, OK, where's

00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.660
my open D tuning guitar I got to bring with me

00:33:40.660 --> 00:33:44.440
now to play this song. But that's kind of where

00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:46.579
some of that was inspired from. Yeah, I love

00:33:46.579 --> 00:33:51.819
the chorus on this song. It's so catchy. I just

00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:53.880
want to like I want to sing along with it. Made

00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:57.059
me think. think a little bit about just your

00:33:57.059 --> 00:34:00.480
kind of writing process when it comes to piecing

00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.960
a song together and putting a song together.

00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.300
When you sit down and write, I know people write

00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:11.880
different ways, some people start with music

00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:13.739
and melodies, some people start with lyrics,

00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:15.920
like what for you when you're piecing a song

00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.019
together, what's your kind of general process?

00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.460
Voice memos on my phone. I probably have like

00:34:22.460 --> 00:34:25.719
600 of them and they could be anywhere or I'm

00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:29.320
I'm practicing with my bandmate and we're just

00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:33.260
We're bored. We hate practicing, right? I mean

00:34:33.260 --> 00:34:36.079
We so then we just start jamming and I'm like

00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.219
dude that was cool and I capture that on the

00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:41.139
phone And so you'd have these like 10 second

00:34:41.139 --> 00:34:45.570
30 second blips of different riffs and jams that

00:34:45.570 --> 00:34:47.769
then I would go back and listen through and go,

00:34:47.869 --> 00:34:50.210
why did they even record this? This is terrible.

00:34:51.250 --> 00:34:53.550
Or some are like, oh, that's actually really

00:34:53.550 --> 00:34:55.389
cool. So then you sift through those and move

00:34:55.389 --> 00:34:58.449
the cooler ones to a different file. And then

00:34:58.449 --> 00:35:00.510
you go, well, these actually could go together.

00:35:00.630 --> 00:35:03.050
So sometimes there are different riffs that didn't

00:35:03.050 --> 00:35:06.510
all happen in the same song. And then they come

00:35:06.510 --> 00:35:09.070
together at some point. And then John, my drummer,

00:35:09.269 --> 00:35:12.590
who also plays keys. He's contributing a lot

00:35:12.590 --> 00:35:16.150
on the writing it used to be primarily me But

00:35:16.150 --> 00:35:18.869
he's working up some great stuff, which is great

00:35:18.869 --> 00:35:21.530
because he might work on something on the keys

00:35:21.530 --> 00:35:24.969
For for like a month and then this he presents

00:35:24.969 --> 00:35:27.750
it to me and then I'm immediately inspired like

00:35:27.750 --> 00:35:29.969
ooh I got melodies ideas over this and I'm just

00:35:29.969 --> 00:35:32.070
I'm singing them into my phone to come back to

00:35:32.070 --> 00:35:35.590
later So that's a lot of it and then lyrics are

00:35:35.590 --> 00:35:38.199
always last Sometimes I might have a theme for

00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:40.619
a lyric, but usually I need to like, I'll have

00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:44.260
the melody and everything else. And then I go,

00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.960
what does this song feel? Like, what do I think

00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.860
this is saying? And sometimes the gibberish lyrics

00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:53.239
in my demos is like, I think I said the word

00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.619
snow code in there. I think that should be in

00:35:57.619 --> 00:36:03.159
the chorus. I wish I was a poet and just like

00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:06.079
journaled and wrote a ton of Lyrics and stuff

00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.480
all the time, but I kind of go kicking in screaming

00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.780
lyrics I mean I could I could get albums out

00:36:10.780 --> 00:36:12.380
a lot faster if I didn't have to write lyrics.

00:36:12.380 --> 00:36:16.260
Honestly. Yeah, that's funny. I It's interesting

00:36:16.260 --> 00:36:18.719
to hear you talk about it that way. I love the

00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.760
idea of like Random voice memos and sometimes

00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.079
you're like, oh that one actually fits pretty

00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.000
well with this one I was kind of wondering that

00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:32.690
listening to it because there is like a a good

00:36:32.690 --> 00:36:35.989
cohesion to the songs, but I also like that,

00:36:36.510 --> 00:36:39.150
like there's, there's a willingness to like shift,

00:36:39.150 --> 00:36:41.949
um, and do some different things. It made me

00:36:41.949 --> 00:36:44.590
think a little bit about one of my, I mean, my,

00:36:44.750 --> 00:36:47.989
probably my all time favorite, um, songwriter

00:36:47.989 --> 00:36:51.309
was, um, Brian Wilson from the beach boys and,

00:36:51.329 --> 00:36:55.010
um, Brian, that's how Brian wrote, like he wrote

00:36:55.010 --> 00:36:57.389
pocket symphonies and he would write like a melody

00:36:57.389 --> 00:37:00.280
here and a melody here. And then and then just

00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:03.000
take all these different pieces and create songs

00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:04.820
out of out of all these different pieces and

00:37:04.820 --> 00:37:07.039
yet somehow they're like cohesive and beautiful

00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.480
and um so that's that's kind of fun it's an interesting

00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.920
take on things the end of try kind of goes into

00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.219
this more uplifted sort of the jam changes a

00:37:17.219 --> 00:37:19.039
little bit you know and that's where the guitar

00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.139
solo comes in at the end of the song i love the

00:37:21.139 --> 00:37:25.880
guitars thanks man um i i have to work out a

00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:29.300
solo like i'm working out a melody i'm not Like

00:37:29.300 --> 00:37:31.719
I'm not a John Mayer where I can just like oh

00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:36.980
what key we in I have to like it's like I sing

00:37:36.980 --> 00:37:40.480
it and and I sit there in the guitar section

00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.719
and Usually the producer John they leave they're

00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:46.559
gone and I sit there with this section looping

00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.139
over and over and over and over Until I feel

00:37:50.139 --> 00:37:52.900
like I found the right guitar melody for that

00:37:52.900 --> 00:37:55.139
particular section. That's how it goes for me

00:37:55.139 --> 00:37:59.250
But I also felt thematically You know that this

00:37:59.250 --> 00:38:03.690
song is talking honestly about My divorce and

00:38:03.690 --> 00:38:06.710
what it was like to I try to let you go. This

00:38:06.710 --> 00:38:10.730
is this was a marriage that was 24 years and

00:38:10.730 --> 00:38:16.110
It's it's To be in a position where you're you're

00:38:16.110 --> 00:38:19.530
letting that person go was like a stamp in time

00:38:19.530 --> 00:38:23.110
of like this is This is this is hard. I'm always

00:38:23.110 --> 00:38:26.409
Going to love her in in some way, you know not

00:38:26.409 --> 00:38:30.179
the way that I thought I'd go to the end with.

00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.900
But so to have the song get to the end and go

00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:37.780
to a little bit more of an uplift is also good.

00:38:38.059 --> 00:38:42.119
Like you're in this moment, excuse me, it's cold.

00:38:43.460 --> 00:38:45.360
You're in this moment that's hard and you're

00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:48.159
reflecting on it. And like most hard things we

00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.340
go through, one, there's no shortcut. You have

00:38:51.340 --> 00:38:57.889
to go through it. things get better over time.

00:38:58.610 --> 00:39:02.809
Um, so track three, um, is hold for applause.

00:39:03.349 --> 00:39:06.010
Um, one of the things that I loved about this

00:39:06.010 --> 00:39:09.349
one was like the kind of the introduction of

00:39:09.349 --> 00:39:13.150
like synthesizers and they're like huge here

00:39:13.150 --> 00:39:16.829
and, um, pretty fun. Like what, what was your

00:39:16.829 --> 00:39:19.989
like inspiration for, for all that synth work?

00:39:20.650 --> 00:39:24.309
that's all John John is the drummer he's also

00:39:24.309 --> 00:39:28.610
the keys player and he spends really good money

00:39:28.610 --> 00:39:33.650
on a lot of synthesizers and he's just he's in

00:39:33.650 --> 00:39:37.590
it so I remember seeing him go through each sound

00:39:37.590 --> 00:39:41.909
on everything he's ever bought and he categorizes

00:39:41.909 --> 00:39:44.650
it like some I don't like this one I like you

00:39:44.650 --> 00:39:47.449
know hey he knows he knows his gear inside and

00:39:47.449 --> 00:39:51.230
out so That's all coming from him, which is obviously

00:39:51.230 --> 00:39:56.170
for me super inspirational to have that influence

00:39:56.170 --> 00:39:59.369
how I play, how I sing, where the melody is going

00:39:59.369 --> 00:40:03.929
to go. So it's been really fun kind of him ramping

00:40:03.929 --> 00:40:07.309
up stuff on the keys. He's a really good piano

00:40:07.309 --> 00:40:10.849
player. He's a very musical drummer as well and

00:40:10.849 --> 00:40:13.210
kind of presenting ideas that give me a fresh

00:40:13.210 --> 00:40:15.389
perspective to kind of write over. It's been

00:40:15.389 --> 00:40:21.079
a lot of fun. That's really cool. What? So I

00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:25.539
feel like this song asks some, some pretty big

00:40:25.539 --> 00:40:28.880
questions as I was just kind of thinking through

00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:30.900
it and questions I feel like are important, but

00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:33.980
maybe not a lot of artists, specifically Christian

00:40:33.980 --> 00:40:37.699
artists are like willing to kind of work through

00:40:37.699 --> 00:40:39.860
and ask, especially in like a song you're going

00:40:39.860 --> 00:40:42.739
to release, what kind of lead leads for you to

00:40:42.739 --> 00:40:45.059
have that kind of vulnerability like on a track

00:40:45.059 --> 00:40:49.269
like this? Yeah, guys, this was probably the

00:40:49.269 --> 00:40:51.889
song I was most scared of because of how it would

00:40:51.889 --> 00:40:54.510
be perceived. Even my producer was like, you

00:40:54.510 --> 00:40:56.409
sure you want to you're okay with saying that?

00:40:57.349 --> 00:41:00.070
Like, like, yeah. And I think the line he was

00:41:00.070 --> 00:41:04.650
referring to at the time is I'm talking to God

00:41:04.650 --> 00:41:08.090
saying your silence is violent or can feel like

00:41:08.090 --> 00:41:11.050
violence because there's if anyone's ever been

00:41:11.050 --> 00:41:14.960
through a time of desperation and you just Gosh,

00:41:14.980 --> 00:41:17.980
you wanted God to engage the senses more than

00:41:17.980 --> 00:41:22.440
he does and and and I think that's God invites

00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:26.000
that you know, there's these cries in the Psalms

00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:31.980
that he it's He knows every thought anyway, so

00:41:31.980 --> 00:41:36.320
why? Keep that absent from your prayers and how

00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:39.039
you cry out to him. And so I wanted this song

00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:43.840
to have that feel of Kind of talking about you

00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.000
know, the shadow will win. We're talking about

00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:51.059
in some ways Sin has a control of us. We're all

00:41:51.059 --> 00:41:53.360
going to face death. No one escapes that obviously

00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:57.659
unless God comes back before we do but um, so

00:41:57.659 --> 00:42:01.179
some of the realities of that just Really ask

00:42:01.179 --> 00:42:04.059
yourself a bunch of questions, but for me it's

00:42:04.059 --> 00:42:07.519
a it's a From my perspective. It's like I've

00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.960
asked these questions and I'm still I Know God

00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.170
is real I know Jesus is the way to him as well.

00:42:15.690 --> 00:42:18.210
So none of that has changed, but this song is

00:42:18.210 --> 00:42:21.750
being okay to throw that struggle out there and

00:42:21.750 --> 00:42:25.469
capture it in a lyric and in a song. Yeah, I

00:42:25.469 --> 00:42:28.949
think that's so important. And I feel like we're

00:42:28.949 --> 00:42:32.070
so afraid to do that in a polished CCM world

00:42:32.070 --> 00:42:34.650
sometimes because we're like, no, everything's

00:42:34.650 --> 00:42:38.659
got to be figured out. We know who God is. And

00:42:38.659 --> 00:42:42.820
I do certainly believe, like, we do know who

00:42:42.820 --> 00:42:45.280
God has shown himself to be, revealed himself

00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:48.099
to be in his Word. But that doesn't mean that

00:42:48.099 --> 00:42:49.860
we're still not going to face questions about

00:42:49.860 --> 00:42:53.320
life and how those things work out. And it just,

00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:58.239
it reminds me a little bit of C .S. Lewis's book,

00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:01.840
A Grief Observed, as you get like a glimpse into

00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:05.159
his journals as he's walked through losing his

00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:10.010
wife and questioning God and um just wondering

00:43:10.010 --> 00:43:13.809
like how God could allow things to happen um

00:43:13.809 --> 00:43:17.670
like they do and um and I that it does hearken

00:43:17.670 --> 00:43:19.550
back to the Psalms and I feel like man these

00:43:19.550 --> 00:43:22.050
are just these are important important things

00:43:22.050 --> 00:43:26.309
um and it it shouldn't be it shouldn't be a bad

00:43:26.309 --> 00:43:30.389
thing um for us to put that out to the world

00:43:30.389 --> 00:43:34.030
I feel like today Um, that we see so many people

00:43:34.030 --> 00:43:35.929
walk away from the faith because they don't feel

00:43:35.929 --> 00:43:39.409
like there's a safe space to ask questions. Um,

00:43:39.449 --> 00:43:41.449
and I think that the church has got to get a

00:43:41.449 --> 00:43:44.909
lot better at allowing questions and talking

00:43:44.909 --> 00:43:47.769
through questions, um, rather than just avoiding

00:43:47.769 --> 00:43:50.269
them altogether, because I feel like, I feel

00:43:50.269 --> 00:43:53.630
like we just lose, we lose people that way. Yeah.

00:43:53.670 --> 00:43:58.230
Well, and even some Christians just to not, uh,

00:43:58.510 --> 00:44:00.949
take on what everybody's saying and think that

00:44:00.949 --> 00:44:04.170
they have to say the same thing. Yes, Jesus is

00:44:04.170 --> 00:44:06.070
my all in all, but sometimes it doesn't feel

00:44:06.070 --> 00:44:09.429
that way. Obviously, I wouldn't make some of

00:44:09.429 --> 00:44:12.369
the decisions I do or resort to food or drink

00:44:12.369 --> 00:44:16.510
for temporary happiness. We can say that and

00:44:16.510 --> 00:44:18.429
roll it off the tongue and we know that to be

00:44:18.429 --> 00:44:22.510
true. But for some people to be more honest with

00:44:22.510 --> 00:44:25.869
and vulnerable and know that that's okay, I think

00:44:25.869 --> 00:44:28.070
it would draw more people in. It's like, hey,

00:44:28.300 --> 00:44:32.019
I've got questions and struggles, but I know

00:44:32.019 --> 00:44:37.039
that you're never gonna convince me that God

00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:41.099
is not who he is and that who I am in Jesus,

00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.000
like nothing would change that, but I can still

00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.420
talk about the things I wrestle with. So I feel

00:44:47.420 --> 00:44:50.500
like this song, there is a little bit of, it's

00:44:50.500 --> 00:44:52.920
not that it's not hopeful, but the chorus is

00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.820
like, most of the chorus is like, there's nothing

00:44:55.820 --> 00:44:58.500
more here. But the last chorus is there's something

00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:02.539
more here, a waste of the dust. So it's like,

00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.239
it's finding that little bit of hope that even

00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.820
though whatever situation you might be in is

00:45:07.820 --> 00:45:11.039
still full of chaos and pain, you're sensing,

00:45:11.659 --> 00:45:14.599
you're still sensing in that moment that there's

00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:18.800
a bigger story at play, even though your emotions

00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:21.079
and your heart might not fully line up to that

00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:25.789
yet. Yeah, yeah, that's good, man. All right,

00:45:25.809 --> 00:45:28.510
so moving on we move to the next track magical

00:45:28.510 --> 00:45:32.969
and um, so with this with this one My question

00:45:32.969 --> 00:45:35.869
was, you know at the beginning I mentioned how

00:45:35.869 --> 00:45:40.110
I first found y 'all because of music video and

00:45:40.110 --> 00:45:42.070
I remember on the first album what stood out

00:45:42.070 --> 00:45:44.829
was you have this, you know for hard to believe

00:45:44.829 --> 00:45:47.739
it's all this stuff's going on it's like a you

00:45:47.739 --> 00:45:50.239
know a kaleidoscope or whatever and then the

00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.699
other music video i remember was for i'll go

00:45:52.699 --> 00:45:56.219
where it's just this simple like it's just this

00:45:56.219 --> 00:45:58.519
simple like this guy and his dog are outside

00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.599
and you know so it was like it was just so cool

00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:04.539
being like man this one over here is like this

00:46:04.539 --> 00:46:06.960
this crazy all the stuff's happening this one's

00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.900
really simple and so for magical it's one of

00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:13.519
the the tracks on this album uh they got a music

00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:17.400
video So I was wondering, what's kind of like

00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.139
that process of whenever you're looking at your

00:46:20.139 --> 00:46:23.219
album and you're like, OK, like we I don't know

00:46:23.219 --> 00:46:27.219
if it's like we need to make a music video. But

00:46:27.219 --> 00:46:29.619
it's like, I guess, number one, how important

00:46:29.619 --> 00:46:32.239
do you feel like music videos are like maybe

00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:36.360
in today's world? And secondly, how do you choose?

00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.079
Like, what's the process of? Here's the one we're

00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:42.440
going to make a music video for. Yeah, that's

00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:46.420
a great question. On this album, Try and Magical

00:46:46.420 --> 00:46:50.099
both have music videos to them, and we've got

00:46:50.099 --> 00:46:54.000
one videographer who's just amazing. He's a one

00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.219
-stop shop from filming everything to editing,

00:46:57.579 --> 00:47:01.460
and he's just... He's got great instinct. He's

00:47:01.460 --> 00:47:06.300
great to work with, and he's also helpful on

00:47:06.300 --> 00:47:08.300
the budget side, too, that he can do all that

00:47:08.300 --> 00:47:13.210
himself. And these video ideas... we just came

00:47:13.210 --> 00:47:16.849
up with and for magical I literally was in town

00:47:16.849 --> 00:47:19.909
driving by and like the state the the the the

00:47:19.909 --> 00:47:22.630
city or state fair was going on and I just had

00:47:22.630 --> 00:47:25.389
this thought like oh we should do a music video

00:47:25.389 --> 00:47:27.769
there and it's only open for like 10 days and

00:47:27.769 --> 00:47:31.409
we literally put this together and film the whole

00:47:31.409 --> 00:47:33.570
thing and my daughter's kind of a star in it

00:47:33.570 --> 00:47:39.130
and it's just Magical is a love song and and

00:47:39.130 --> 00:47:44.900
and it's just everything that when you're the

00:47:44.900 --> 00:47:48.039
when you're falling in love you know when you're

00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.460
falling in love it tries to capture everything

00:47:50.460 --> 00:47:54.260
that's happening in in in that season and this

00:47:54.260 --> 00:47:57.559
music video is a little bit kind of more of a

00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.599
playful thing on that where my daughter's kind

00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.460
of all excited about going on this date to the

00:48:04.460 --> 00:48:07.679
to the fair with a guy who's like disinterested

00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:09.780
in playing video games with his friends and he's

00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:11.880
late and all that sort of stuff and then you

00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:15.780
know she's just not he's not really in the relationship

00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:20.099
at all and at the very end there's they break

00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:24.099
up or whatever and some guy is like nice to her

00:48:24.099 --> 00:48:25.980
so it doesn't go anywhere but it's just at least

00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:28.559
give some story because it was kind of cool to

00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.320
do to film all this and uh um with the lights

00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.019
of of the of the carnival and stuff going on.

00:48:35.340 --> 00:48:38.260
So it does have a story element. It's not completely

00:48:38.260 --> 00:48:42.239
wacky. And I think it fits well. Yeah, I really

00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:46.960
like this one. It's got a different feel from

00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:52.519
the previous tracks so far. But it's got, as

00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.360
the young people today would say, a cool vibe

00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:59.480
to it. And I just I really I like the feel and

00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:01.559
like the hopefulness of it. I thought was really

00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:07.030
fun. So it's cool. Thank you. Track five. Go

00:49:07.030 --> 00:49:09.809
ahead. No, go ahead. OK, I was going to say a

00:49:09.809 --> 00:49:15.369
track five escape from love. Maybe is this one

00:49:15.369 --> 00:49:18.650
the longest song on the record? I think it might.

00:49:18.789 --> 00:49:21.139
I think it. It might be the longest. I think

00:49:21.139 --> 00:49:23.320
it also might, it's probably tied for me with

00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.340
favorite song on their album. So it gets both

00:49:26.340 --> 00:49:30.400
those accolades. That's awesome. Yeah. So this

00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:32.400
was interesting to me. I'm listening to it and

00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.860
I'm like, um, we're getting towards what I felt

00:49:35.860 --> 00:49:39.559
like was feeling wise, like close to the end

00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.559
of the song. And I'm like, Oh, we're not like

00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.739
not even halfway through this yet. And then you

00:49:45.739 --> 00:49:48.739
guys do this thing where it's like it's almost

00:49:48.739 --> 00:49:51.300
like a false ending to the song where like you

00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:53.900
feel like the song ends But then it's kind of

00:49:53.900 --> 00:49:57.679
like reborn and in a different kind of way And

00:49:57.679 --> 00:49:59.940
it creates kind of like the first quiet space

00:49:59.940 --> 00:50:02.800
on the record At the end of this one. What kind

00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:04.659
of led you guys to take that turn? It's another

00:50:04.659 --> 00:50:06.539
one of those like left turns that I thought was

00:50:06.539 --> 00:50:10.139
really unique and fun I think this is one where

00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:14.599
You leave some mystery behind the song like the

00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.380
songs called escape from love But then the chorus

00:50:17.380 --> 00:50:20.179
is like there's no escape from love. Yeah, and

00:50:20.179 --> 00:50:25.460
and I think that hits At a lot of angles Eric

00:50:25.460 --> 00:50:27.860
can you know and when you're in a position for

00:50:27.860 --> 00:50:29.780
the first like me for the first time in your

00:50:29.780 --> 00:50:36.099
life where you're you are Considering loving

00:50:36.099 --> 00:50:39.000
someone else again and going through that process

00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:43.119
you you could have all sorts of meanings. And

00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.320
sometimes, I'll just be honest, it's like, do

00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:51.800
I wanna get married again? Do I wanna be single?

00:50:52.619 --> 00:50:55.179
And you're wrestling with these thoughts of like,

00:50:55.420 --> 00:50:59.579
but I long, I can't escape from. longing to want

00:50:59.579 --> 00:51:02.000
to walk life with a partner, but I'm I'm a bit

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:04.139
fearful too, you know, like how do I do this

00:51:04.139 --> 00:51:08.800
and and and So it has all those elements in it

00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:10.880
And I think it was really good to get to the

00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:12.559
end of this song because it's definitely got

00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:16.300
it It's an attitude rock song. I love the the

00:51:16.300 --> 00:51:18.780
tone of the guitars on the chorus just it feels

00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:22.559
like a YouTube vertigo sort of vibe to me and

00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:26.360
But to get to the end to kind of say it there's

00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:29.699
no escape from love on a kind of an octave down,

00:51:29.900 --> 00:51:33.980
more moody feel. It's almost like this sobering

00:51:33.980 --> 00:51:36.199
reality in a lot of ways. There's no escape from

00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.320
God's love. You can deny him, you can push him

00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.440
away if you want, but there's no escape from

00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:42.320
it. He loves you and you have to wrestle with

00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:47.059
the fact that nobody escapes faith. Nobody. If

00:51:47.059 --> 00:51:49.579
you decide to, I'm gonna live my life however

00:51:49.579 --> 00:51:51.380
I want, I'm gonna be an atheist, that's still

00:51:51.380 --> 00:51:55.579
a faith position because there's no proof, proof,

00:51:55.619 --> 00:52:01.300
proof for anyone. And so I think that that last

00:52:01.300 --> 00:52:04.639
part of that song sets up, oh, maybe the song

00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:06.480
was about something completely different than

00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.340
I thought it was earlier, or maybe it could be

00:52:08.340 --> 00:52:12.019
about all of it. So that's it. And then we just

00:52:12.019 --> 00:52:15.659
let it stew and simmer and started with the acoustic

00:52:15.659 --> 00:52:19.199
guitar and then let the kind of keys take in

00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:24.340
and just see where. what journey that took people

00:52:24.340 --> 00:52:26.659
on, almost like a time of meditation. You just

00:52:26.659 --> 00:52:29.039
heard the song and now you're in this moment

00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:30.440
and this stuff's going on in the background.

00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.900
It's like, whatever's going on in your mind,

00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:35.500
capture that. What are you thinking? And it's

00:52:35.500 --> 00:52:37.519
gonna be different for everybody. Yeah, I love

00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.500
that. Brandon, what stood out to you about that

00:52:39.500 --> 00:52:43.500
one since you loved it so much? I think it's

00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:49.199
just the feel for it. So I work at a senior center.

00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:51.619
So I was going to pick up and I just kind of

00:52:51.619 --> 00:52:53.340
had it like playing so I was going to pick up

00:52:53.340 --> 00:52:55.800
these like donations for us So you're just kind

00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:57.960
of doing this like a mundane thing or whatever

00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:01.619
and this track hits and I was like, oh man, this

00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:05.619
is this is really cool like it just like I It

00:53:05.619 --> 00:53:08.400
like hit you wasn't just uh, you know, I think

00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:09.900
some tracks you listen to and you're like, oh,

00:53:09.900 --> 00:53:12.599
okay that tracks there like it Instantly, I was

00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.199
like, okay like as soon as I parked I was like,

00:53:15.260 --> 00:53:17.039
all right now which which track was that so then

00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:20.130
I can like earmark it and you know i think i

00:53:20.130 --> 00:53:23.090
think it's a sign of a good song whenever you

00:53:23.090 --> 00:53:25.010
hear it and you immediately are like all right

00:53:25.010 --> 00:53:27.369
this is going on the you know like the playlist

00:53:27.369 --> 00:53:30.309
yeah like this is we don't have to have a discussion

00:53:30.309 --> 00:53:32.730
or wait to see if it works out it's immediately

00:53:32.730 --> 00:53:36.489
it's it's going on the the the current listening

00:53:36.489 --> 00:53:39.269
playlist or whatever yeah so i think it's you

00:53:39.269 --> 00:53:41.829
know it's just a mark of a good song when you're

00:53:41.829 --> 00:53:43.730
i thought you were going to say the old people

00:53:43.730 --> 00:53:48.869
at the senior center really loved it Probably

00:53:48.869 --> 00:53:52.570
would have a few. That's a music video waiting

00:53:52.570 --> 00:53:59.690
to happen there. It's not a bad idea. So the

00:53:59.690 --> 00:54:03.510
next track is B, which I think is one of my favorite

00:54:03.510 --> 00:54:07.030
tracks on the record. You've got the synthesizers

00:54:07.030 --> 00:54:10.039
again, which I think are really cool. Brian,

00:54:10.099 --> 00:54:13.079
you mentioned Muse earlier, and this is one that

00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:19.420
I really hear that influence in this track. Vocally,

00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.559
musically, especially in the first part of it,

00:54:22.860 --> 00:54:29.699
there's this almost felt darkness to just the

00:54:29.699 --> 00:54:32.960
tone of the song in the beginning. But then you

00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:36.170
hit the bridge and it... I love how the tone

00:54:36.170 --> 00:54:39.449
shifts to kind of like a really hopeful feel.

00:54:39.590 --> 00:54:41.710
We talked about that on a previous song, too.

00:54:42.530 --> 00:54:44.849
But I just I really thought that was great. And

00:54:44.849 --> 00:54:47.889
I love the like the hope that's on the backside

00:54:47.889 --> 00:54:50.150
of what feels kind of like darkness in the beginning

00:54:50.150 --> 00:54:52.710
of this one, just just musically and like the

00:54:52.710 --> 00:54:55.769
tone of it. I thought it was really, really strong.

00:54:56.050 --> 00:54:58.570
It's a great one. Thanks, man. Yeah. I appreciate

00:54:58.570 --> 00:55:00.630
that. You guys aren't tearing me down yet. I'm

00:55:00.630 --> 00:55:05.130
still waiting. This song definitely has like,

00:55:05.369 --> 00:55:07.869
it just kind of keeps going this way. It ramps

00:55:07.869 --> 00:55:12.969
up. And you're right. This song, I think there's

00:55:12.969 --> 00:55:15.730
a band called The War on Drugs that I think their

00:55:15.730 --> 00:55:18.550
vibe kind of influenced this song a bit. Just

00:55:18.550 --> 00:55:23.130
having that turn at the end and Letting an instrumental

00:55:23.130 --> 00:55:26.150
just kind of be there for a bit Obviously not

00:55:26.150 --> 00:55:27.949
something that anybody would probably consider

00:55:27.949 --> 00:55:30.389
for radio because of the format so strange But

00:55:30.389 --> 00:55:34.730
I remember John had this that beat going and

00:55:34.730 --> 00:55:36.909
those chords at the beginning and I'm like, dude

00:55:36.909 --> 00:55:39.090
I really like that and I was writing melody stuff

00:55:39.090 --> 00:55:42.309
right away to it and and it just had that sort

00:55:42.309 --> 00:55:46.349
of more of a haunting feel and but yeah, no,

00:55:46.989 --> 00:55:48.929
um, I'm really proud of that one as well just

00:55:48.929 --> 00:55:55.300
to not adapt the simple chorus pre bridge course,

00:55:55.300 --> 00:55:58.300
you know, and just and it just got its own sort

00:55:58.300 --> 00:56:04.780
of format. Yeah. Yeah, that's fun. Next one is

00:56:04.780 --> 00:56:07.400
under city lights. Brandon, what do you think

00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:10.360
about this one? I think this might have been

00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:14.960
it's either first or second with Escape from

00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:19.389
Love, like favorite tracks on the album. Feel

00:56:19.389 --> 00:56:21.369
like it's just like a really just straightforward

00:56:21.369 --> 00:56:25.489
like song. Yeah and it so my question with this

00:56:25.489 --> 00:56:28.590
one is and I feel like Brian you're probably

00:56:28.590 --> 00:56:31.610
like picking up on this that Joel usually has

00:56:31.610 --> 00:56:33.610
these really well thought out questions about

00:56:33.610 --> 00:56:35.650
like man How'd the guitar do this or that and

00:56:35.650 --> 00:56:37.489
mine are just really obscure where it's like

00:56:37.489 --> 00:56:39.510
that's a cool color red why'd you choose that

00:56:39.510 --> 00:56:43.940
color red and um, so for me like as soon as i

00:56:43.940 --> 00:56:46.760
saw the title i was just like man that's a really

00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.019
cool sounding song like before i even listened

00:56:49.019 --> 00:56:52.400
to the song i was like i like that title um so

00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:57.980
it made me think um like as a band um is there

00:56:57.980 --> 00:57:01.960
like is there a certain like man there's there's

00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:03.940
thought put into here's what we're gonna call

00:57:03.940 --> 00:57:07.119
this or is it just that is the last thing you

00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:09.559
were thinking about in the music process is that

00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.079
is the final thing is just Okay, here's what

00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:16.559
we're going to call this song. Well, definitely,

00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:23.079
because most all the songs are created musically,

00:57:23.539 --> 00:57:26.800
and then lyrics, lyrics are the last. And then

00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:28.559
wherever those lyrics end up being like, oh,

00:57:28.619 --> 00:57:33.900
what should the title be, you know? So, yes,

00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:37.460
but want to even a song like be like, yeah. We

00:57:37.460 --> 00:57:40.639
should just call it B. Under City Lights. We

00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:42.900
thought it was cool, too. And it's definitely

00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:45.400
more of a feel -good. It's another feel -good.

00:57:45.420 --> 00:57:48.900
Sort of just like you're in a really great moment

00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:52.360
in life. And you know what? Honestly, for me,

00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:56.380
when bad moments have come, like really trying

00:57:56.380 --> 00:58:01.860
moments, when you have good moments, you know

00:58:01.860 --> 00:58:04.199
that you never know what's around the corner.

00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:08.539
that's what I felt even during my time on The

00:58:08.539 --> 00:58:11.239
Voice was like this is incredible watching my

00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:13.639
daughter this is incredible like you never know

00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.800
when life might get really difficult again because

00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:19.039
it definitely and it will for all of us at some

00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:23.760
point right as we slowly get older and and lose

00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:27.380
capacity in some ways but um I felt like Under

00:58:27.380 --> 00:58:30.619
City Lights was like This is just such a great

00:58:30.619 --> 00:58:32.719
moment, you know, and it's trying to capture

00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:34.579
it. Windows down, radio up. Have you ever been

00:58:34.579 --> 00:58:36.340
in that moment where it's a nice day? It's a

00:58:36.340 --> 00:58:38.320
nice day in Nebraska right now. This is a windows

00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:42.079
down, crank the radio to whatever that song is

00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:44.420
and just let that be and feel that. That's what

00:58:44.420 --> 00:58:47.460
I want to capture in this song. Yeah, I feel

00:58:47.460 --> 00:58:51.380
like you do that well with this one. It's especially

00:58:51.380 --> 00:58:53.940
as the song really kicks in and it's got a great

00:58:53.940 --> 00:58:57.360
feeling to it. I also think this is As I was

00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.920
listening to this on Apple Music, it's the one

00:58:59.920 --> 00:59:02.099
that's got the like star by it. So I'm like,

00:59:02.139 --> 00:59:04.820
was this a single? Is this but uh, but yeah,

00:59:04.900 --> 00:59:07.440
you can tell it's something happened. I'm not

00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.679
even sure how it happened, but we released the

00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:14.980
album and a Christian editorial playlist picked

00:59:14.980 --> 00:59:18.000
that song to feature. Yeah, which was surprising

00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.139
to me because lyrically it's it's it's just feel

00:59:21.139 --> 00:59:24.550
good kind of love song. There's not really a

00:59:24.550 --> 00:59:26.909
spiritual context as much as a lot of the other

00:59:26.909 --> 00:59:31.150
songs, but it must be doing really well because

00:59:31.150 --> 00:59:35.150
it's our top played track on Spotify right now.

00:59:35.610 --> 00:59:38.030
So people must be finding it from that playlist

00:59:38.030 --> 00:59:40.110
and it's turning into new listeners. I mean,

00:59:40.210 --> 00:59:42.170
our listenership since we released the album

00:59:42.170 --> 00:59:48.170
has tripled. So we're really excited. We would

00:59:48.170 --> 00:59:50.269
welcome a lot more. We need to find more editorials.

00:59:52.610 --> 00:59:56.929
Somebody help me. That's great. I love it. I

00:59:56.929 --> 01:00:01.869
love it. That's cool. So we move to up to is

01:00:01.869 --> 01:00:07.170
the next track on the album. And I think that

01:00:07.170 --> 01:00:09.309
like this one was the first one that I was kind

01:00:09.309 --> 01:00:11.690
of like, man, this feels like a lot different

01:00:11.690 --> 01:00:17.679
from the rest of the album. And so. And so I

01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:19.780
was thinking, I was like, yeah, I was like, Brian,

01:00:19.900 --> 01:00:22.019
like Brian was like, yeah, be super honest about

01:00:22.019 --> 01:00:26.599
this. I was like, yeah, I feel like this. But

01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:31.219
like I said, kind of knowing the thought process

01:00:31.219 --> 01:00:34.360
of the album, you know, it wasn't like, oh, this

01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:37.460
is like a bad song or this song makes me angry

01:00:37.460 --> 01:00:40.630
or something. You know, it was more of a Like,

01:00:40.750 --> 01:00:44.710
man, I wonder, you know, it is so different.

01:00:44.989 --> 01:00:48.710
I wonder kind of what the backstory like is with

01:00:48.710 --> 01:00:52.110
this, you know, because in my experience, there

01:00:52.110 --> 01:00:54.230
are so many times where I will be like, yeah,

01:00:54.289 --> 01:00:55.809
that's my least favorite track. And then someone

01:00:55.809 --> 01:00:57.510
will be like, you know, that was my favorite

01:00:57.510 --> 01:01:00.590
track or that track changed my life. So this

01:01:00.590 --> 01:01:03.510
was a perfect example of, you know, I'm like,

01:01:03.670 --> 01:01:05.820
man, if we're if this is a normal review. it

01:01:05.820 --> 01:01:08.619
probably stops at, yeah, like, I don't know if

01:01:08.619 --> 01:01:11.059
I was feeling this track, but this is such a

01:01:11.059 --> 01:01:13.000
cool opportunity to kind of get to sit down and

01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.579
be like, you know, man, what what is the behind

01:01:16.579 --> 01:01:18.860
this? Like, what what is it about this track

01:01:18.860 --> 01:01:21.679
that maybe I'm not, you know, understanding like

01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:25.900
musically or lyrically like behind it? Oh, yeah.

01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:30.039
Well, a couple of things. And I've wrestled with

01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:31.900
this maybe as a band. You've wrestled with this

01:01:31.900 --> 01:01:35.269
like we're not. if you try to think of a band

01:01:35.269 --> 01:01:38.630
like Metallica or Skillet or something, you can

01:01:38.630 --> 01:01:41.630
kind of go, oh, that band, I pretty much know

01:01:41.630 --> 01:01:44.449
what their album is going to feel like from start

01:01:44.449 --> 01:01:46.710
to finish based on who they are, right? Where

01:01:46.710 --> 01:01:49.949
we've not necessarily been that band, especially

01:01:49.949 --> 01:01:53.170
on this album. And that could be confusing. It's

01:01:53.170 --> 01:01:55.130
like, ooh, I like this, I like this, I like this

01:01:55.130 --> 01:01:56.570
consistency you have here, and then all of a

01:01:56.570 --> 01:01:59.769
sudden you have a track that seems like a little

01:01:59.769 --> 01:02:02.909
out of left field. and i get that and that was

01:02:02.909 --> 01:02:07.530
part of like hey we like it and we like variety

01:02:07.530 --> 01:02:10.269
and i don't i don't want to i love muse for instance

01:02:10.269 --> 01:02:14.389
right one of my favorite bands but i rarely too

01:02:14.389 --> 01:02:19.469
often can take um 11 songs in a row from you

01:02:19.469 --> 01:02:22.409
at that intensity vocal like i need it like i

01:02:22.409 --> 01:02:25.809
need a break um and so on our album it's almost

01:02:25.809 --> 01:02:30.070
like here's a playlist of us rather than and

01:02:30.070 --> 01:02:33.250
so One interesting thing about this song is my

01:02:33.250 --> 01:02:36.690
youngest son, Liam, actually wrote the music.

01:02:37.230 --> 01:02:40.909
He was just working with some, I don't know,

01:02:40.909 --> 01:02:45.750
he was working with some different demo. I don't

01:02:45.750 --> 01:02:50.429
know how he did it because I think he found splices

01:02:50.429 --> 01:02:52.050
of different things. And I'm like, hey, that's

01:02:52.050 --> 01:02:54.869
cool. And I started singing over it. And so he's

01:02:54.869 --> 01:02:57.030
a co -writer on the song. My daughter hates it

01:02:57.030 --> 01:02:59.969
because I say. because I say something like,

01:03:00.070 --> 01:03:05.050
you can TikTok that if you want to, and she's

01:03:05.050 --> 01:03:07.900
like, dad. people don't say that they don't say

01:03:07.900 --> 01:03:09.840
they're gonna tick tock something like you're

01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:13.300
so you're you're so old i'm like i don't care

01:03:13.300 --> 01:03:19.719
i'm i'm saying it strangely enough like it's

01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:23.320
in our top that song is in our top 10 on spotify

01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:25.519
right now as as like most listened to songs so

01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:27.699
i had to screenshot that send it to her and like

01:03:27.699 --> 01:03:30.079
well some people like it even though you hate

01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:34.800
it um that that song is definitely quirky and

01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:37.969
off the wall it probably has like Post Malone

01:03:37.969 --> 01:03:41.489
slash Weezer influence type like just lazy vocal

01:03:41.489 --> 01:03:47.429
the lyrics are definitely masked or they're definitely

01:03:47.429 --> 01:03:50.429
what's the word I have certain people in mind

01:03:50.429 --> 01:03:53.670
when I'm singing those lyrics and I and my closest

01:03:53.670 --> 01:03:56.369
friends I might tell them who those people are

01:03:56.369 --> 01:03:58.940
yeah people that honestly just really pissed

01:03:58.940 --> 01:04:02.420
me off that I have in mind when I'm singing certain

01:04:02.420 --> 01:04:04.820
and it's just being honest about that it's like

01:04:04.820 --> 01:04:07.760
I'm done with hanging I'm done with hanging with

01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:13.980
people like you and and sadly some most of the

01:04:13.980 --> 01:04:16.940
people that have done that to me have worn the

01:04:16.940 --> 01:04:20.639
brand of their their Christians and they've done

01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:23.780
some and you know what you we can have boundaries

01:04:23.780 --> 01:04:28.519
there yeah I can Forgive them like God has but

01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:30.960
doesn't mean I they have to be in my life Yeah

01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:33.619
a certain level anymore. So so this song is a

01:04:33.619 --> 01:04:38.619
playful way of like of Me getting to capture

01:04:38.619 --> 01:04:42.730
that without revealing Who are who all the people

01:04:42.730 --> 01:04:46.110
are that I'm thinking about and and just rolling

01:04:46.110 --> 01:04:48.730
with it So in that sense, I'm really proud of

01:04:48.730 --> 01:04:51.309
it because I did feel that this feels like where

01:04:51.309 --> 01:04:53.409
do we place this on the album? It's very different

01:04:53.409 --> 01:04:58.329
and but at the same time I'm I'm thankful it's

01:04:58.329 --> 01:05:01.010
there and I do picture like a cool moment live

01:05:01.010 --> 01:05:04.030
just letting this song just kind of sue for a

01:05:04.030 --> 01:05:08.949
bit and then the let in the Let the people in

01:05:08.949 --> 01:05:13.730
the room sing it I don't know, just even the

01:05:13.730 --> 01:05:15.349
chorus, everybody wants to know what I have up

01:05:15.349 --> 01:05:19.690
to. It's happened after my divorce, it's happened

01:05:19.690 --> 01:05:22.329
after the voice, like people just have the same

01:05:22.329 --> 01:05:27.150
questions and they really want to know some inside

01:05:27.150 --> 01:05:29.110
information, but sometimes they might use that

01:05:29.110 --> 01:05:34.150
against you. So yeah, the song is just playfully

01:05:34.150 --> 01:05:37.789
addressing kind of big issues, but in a playful

01:05:37.789 --> 01:05:41.210
way. Yeah, I feel like they are. I'm not like,

01:05:41.289 --> 01:05:44.510
um, I keep working with Brandon on being okay

01:05:44.510 --> 01:05:47.429
with like kind of cynical, playful ways to talk

01:05:47.429 --> 01:05:51.530
about big topics. But, um, as a, as a dad who

01:05:51.530 --> 01:05:56.449
has given my kid her first cell phone ever, um,

01:05:56.610 --> 01:05:59.710
I feel like the weight of like what she's being

01:05:59.710 --> 01:06:01.869
exposed to in the world of all of that, that's

01:06:01.869 --> 01:06:04.150
out there that I'm putting in her hands and,

01:06:04.530 --> 01:06:06.769
um, how is this going to impact or influence

01:06:06.769 --> 01:06:11.050
her? And so. Um, so yeah, yeah, I totally, I

01:06:11.050 --> 01:06:15.789
totally get it. Um, so next track, um, I was

01:06:15.789 --> 01:06:19.769
not expecting, um, to find a Coldplay cover,

01:06:19.769 --> 01:06:23.670
uh, a fix you, um, what, what made you guys decide

01:06:23.670 --> 01:06:25.969
like, man, we want to, this is what we want to

01:06:25.969 --> 01:06:28.750
do. We want to granted one of the best Coldplay

01:06:28.750 --> 01:06:31.670
songs ever. Um, but what kind of led you to say

01:06:31.670 --> 01:06:34.909
we want to, we want to cover this one. Oh boy.

01:06:34.969 --> 01:06:39.260
There's a few things. One, I remember. When I

01:06:39.260 --> 01:06:43.880
was going through the most difficult time and

01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:47.199
my marriage was ending, I was just trying to

01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:50.059
distract myself and work on stuff in the garage.

01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:54.280
And I had music on. And Fix You came on by Coldplay

01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:56.539
that I've heard a zillion times. But for some

01:06:56.539 --> 01:07:01.119
reason, that time, dude, those lyrics just broke

01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:06.159
me. You try your best, you don't succeed. And

01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:08.340
I feel like even lyrically, how we wrote it,

01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:10.739
it's not one complete story. There's mystery

01:07:10.739 --> 01:07:13.340
behind it, but there's so much emotion behind

01:07:13.340 --> 01:07:15.719
certain phrases. I'm like, yep, I feel that.

01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:20.340
I resonate that with that. So there was a moment

01:07:20.340 --> 01:07:23.800
in time where that song became very impactful.

01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:29.280
And I also feel with covers like... I hate when

01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:31.679
someone does a cover and they just like, let's

01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:34.199
get as close to the original recording as possible

01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:36.219
and do it. Like, why are you doing a cover? Like,

01:07:36.260 --> 01:07:39.760
Weezer did a lot of that. And it's great. A lot

01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.659
of people love their covers, but I want someone

01:07:42.659 --> 01:07:45.039
to give me a fresh take. I already got the original

01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:48.559
version, you know? And I feel like Fix You is

01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:52.320
like, it's a timeless song and it's a masterpiece

01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:56.139
as is. And it's like, you better... Find a way

01:07:56.139 --> 01:07:58.099
to bring something different here and it wasn't

01:07:58.099 --> 01:08:01.079
an easy task So there was that and consequently

01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:03.800
that was the song that I sang that got me on

01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:06.079
the voice It was that 90 second song in the bathroom

01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:08.539
that I I put a little bit of a chorus together

01:08:08.539 --> 01:08:11.980
playing kind of a Reverby guitar and so I don't

01:08:11.980 --> 01:08:16.550
know so Probably those reasons That's cool. We

01:08:16.550 --> 01:08:18.250
can't be too hard on Weezer. They're one of my

01:08:18.250 --> 01:08:22.310
favorite bands. Oh, same. But the cover album

01:08:22.310 --> 01:08:25.710
is super lazy. I agree with you. That's a good

01:08:25.710 --> 01:08:31.689
way to put it. Brandon, you know that Coldplay

01:08:31.689 --> 01:08:34.949
song, Fix You? No, I was hoping that you guys

01:08:34.949 --> 01:08:37.289
wouldn't mention me because I didn't know this

01:08:37.289 --> 01:08:42.470
was a cover. Oh my goodness. I was hoping I could

01:08:42.470 --> 01:08:45.979
just... Sneak on it's a pretty pretty iconic

01:08:45.979 --> 01:08:52.380
song That being said I love You just gave me

01:08:52.380 --> 01:08:55.699
a massive compliment because you picked two songs

01:08:55.699 --> 01:08:58.079
that you really really loved on the album and

01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:01.819
one of them wasn't the cold Because you didn't

01:09:01.819 --> 01:09:05.579
one you didn't know it was Coldplay. So What

01:09:05.579 --> 01:09:07.159
did you think about the song in general since

01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:09.739
you didn't know it was even a Coldplay song yeah,

01:09:09.739 --> 01:09:15.750
I I enjoyed it I Enjoyed like the the the slow

01:09:15.750 --> 01:09:17.609
like the slowness like it being like a little

01:09:17.609 --> 01:09:21.630
bit more of a different like take on there I

01:09:21.630 --> 01:09:25.409
enjoyed it. I think like I said leading up to

01:09:25.409 --> 01:09:29.550
Like like a live I feel like this would be really

01:09:29.550 --> 01:09:33.420
cool to hear like alive I'm also just really

01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:35.279
thankful that you guys cleared that up that way

01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:37.840
like a month or two now Like I don't hear like

01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:41.819
cold plays and I go cold plays are covering voda

01:09:41.819 --> 01:09:47.359
That's pretty cool It would have confused a lot

01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:51.319
of people That's so funny. That's so funny. Um,

01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:54.239
and then uh, so we move on to our final track,

01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:59.850
uh feels like home Yeah, I I mean my initial

01:09:59.850 --> 01:10:03.270
thoughts was I felt like it checked the boxes

01:10:03.270 --> 01:10:05.590
of You know if I was at a concert, I feel like

01:10:05.590 --> 01:10:09.109
this would be a cool a cool way to end and I

01:10:09.109 --> 01:10:12.289
feel like almost just the The concept of this

01:10:12.289 --> 01:10:14.989
album being like, you know back back to the start

01:10:14.989 --> 01:10:17.789
or whatever I feel like it was cool that you

01:10:17.789 --> 01:10:21.470
are arriving Back there because I think that

01:10:21.470 --> 01:10:23.630
so many times people think you have to reinvent

01:10:23.630 --> 01:10:26.750
reinvent when sometimes you know like like you

01:10:26.750 --> 01:10:29.670
were saying it's going back to what was this

01:10:29.670 --> 01:10:32.229
like before we were like oh we have to do this

01:10:32.229 --> 01:10:35.909
for the record label or this or that and and

01:10:35.909 --> 01:10:38.529
it's um it's funny to me that as i get older

01:10:38.529 --> 01:10:42.329
like there's so many bands that it's almost like

01:10:42.329 --> 01:10:45.510
the thing that was the most successful that got

01:10:45.510 --> 01:10:49.789
the the radio play or whatever um didn't bring

01:10:49.789 --> 01:10:53.619
the most joy like i remember an interview with

01:10:53.619 --> 01:10:56.739
tim skipper of house of heroes and they were

01:10:56.739 --> 01:10:58.539
talking about like touring with toby mack and

01:10:58.539 --> 01:11:00.699
skillet and you would you would think that you

01:11:00.699 --> 01:11:04.460
know 2009 2010 or so you'd be like yeah we want

01:11:04.460 --> 01:11:07.600
to be on that tour but he was like you know you're

01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:09.979
going out every night and you're the weird world

01:11:09.979 --> 01:11:11.939
war two band you know these people are showing

01:11:11.939 --> 01:11:14.460
up for you know skillet's this rock and then

01:11:14.460 --> 01:11:17.260
toby mack you know his kind of like musical gumbo

01:11:17.260 --> 01:11:19.989
or whatever and all these bands are kind of like

01:11:19.989 --> 01:11:22.170
okay who's this weird band that's singing about

01:11:22.170 --> 01:11:24.829
you know world war two and communist or whatever

01:11:24.829 --> 01:11:27.270
and i just thought it was so interesting that

01:11:27.270 --> 01:11:30.689
for them what i would perceive as a fan to be

01:11:30.689 --> 01:11:33.729
this amazing thing for them it was like you know

01:11:33.729 --> 01:11:35.670
yeah it's cool going out there but it's even

01:11:35.670 --> 01:11:38.090
more cooler when you're in front of 500 people

01:11:38.090 --> 01:11:42.010
who know your music and know who you are and

01:11:42.010 --> 01:11:44.489
um so for me it was just a cool way to end this

01:11:44.489 --> 01:11:47.600
album Uh with this idea of like yeah, we we're

01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:49.420
going we're going back home. We're going back

01:11:49.420 --> 01:11:55.479
to where we were. Um, so Yeah, that's cool I

01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:57.859
will say oh go ahead. No, I was just gonna ask

01:11:57.859 --> 01:11:59.859
you like what what do you feel like impacted

01:11:59.859 --> 01:12:02.479
or influenced you to write this it's kind of

01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:06.300
gave me some like Not of this world like not

01:12:06.300 --> 01:12:09.659
at home kind of vibes but um, yeah, what were

01:12:09.659 --> 01:12:12.760
what were kind of the influences for you to put

01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:16.390
this one together at the end First off what I

01:12:16.390 --> 01:12:20.130
remember about this one is I've had this idea

01:12:20.130 --> 01:12:24.229
that I did on this song was like an idea I had

01:12:24.229 --> 01:12:27.130
on acoustic guitar that I probably wrote in like

01:12:27.130 --> 01:12:30.510
2008 I've had it for a long time and it never

01:12:30.510 --> 01:12:32.890
it was an idea that we never picked for any of

01:12:32.890 --> 01:12:35.710
the other albums and we finally like let's work

01:12:35.710 --> 01:12:42.529
on this and I think the chorus is like One of

01:12:42.529 --> 01:12:45.770
my favorite I'll say a worship song or spiritual

01:12:45.770 --> 01:12:48.430
song to me is U2's I Still Haven't Found What

01:12:48.430 --> 01:12:51.329
I'm Looking For. And what I love about it is

01:12:51.329 --> 01:12:54.270
like, yeah, I believe in the kingdom come and

01:12:54.270 --> 01:12:56.949
all the colors are believed into one, but here's

01:12:56.949 --> 01:12:58.850
a man that's experienced everything life has

01:12:58.850 --> 01:13:00.829
to offer. He's lived better than most kings.

01:13:01.229 --> 01:13:02.810
And the chorus is I Still Haven't Found What

01:13:02.810 --> 01:13:06.090
I'm Looking For. And I think as believers, at

01:13:06.090 --> 01:13:09.850
least I do, I resonate with that because we don't,

01:13:10.010 --> 01:13:12.430
we aren't fully home. Let me find a place that

01:13:12.430 --> 01:13:15.199
feels like home. And that could be personally

01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:18.239
like will I find love again? How what's what's

01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:23.699
my place in this world? So it's that it's that

01:13:23.699 --> 01:13:27.340
sort of thing and a reminder that Okay, it's

01:13:27.340 --> 01:13:29.939
never really gonna truly feel like home here

01:13:29.939 --> 01:13:34.460
As much as we want that. I mean, yes I know God

01:13:34.460 --> 01:13:37.739
walks with me every step and and there's moments

01:13:37.739 --> 01:13:40.539
that that captures my heart spirit and feeling

01:13:40.539 --> 01:13:43.600
and all that but there's also the reality of,

01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:47.539
there's a reality coming for us that we can't

01:13:47.539 --> 01:13:49.420
even really fathom what it's gonna be like on

01:13:49.420 --> 01:13:52.420
the other side. So I think this song kind of

01:13:52.420 --> 01:13:57.239
captures that longing for, it's a prayer, it's

01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:59.539
definitely, it's singing to God all these things,

01:13:59.619 --> 01:14:03.720
help me, guide me. Should I stay or should I

01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:06.880
go? People say you'll know when you know it.

01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:10.060
Like sometimes you want, God to just we just

01:14:10.060 --> 01:14:13.359
lay out the answer for me, you know on this thing

01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:15.420
or that thing and you know I'm sure when you

01:14:15.420 --> 01:14:16.960
gave your daughter that phone like what should

01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:18.960
I do here? Is this the right time to be wait

01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.760
long enough? Did we you know and you wrestle

01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:25.500
through all those decisions and You're doing

01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:27.899
the best that you can with with everything presented

01:14:27.899 --> 01:14:33.720
before you, you know, yeah Well, I I'm so thankful

01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:38.479
that I had the chance to get to experience this

01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:42.840
and dig into this and just doing these interviews

01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:47.979
has opened up your music to me and now I get

01:14:47.979 --> 01:14:50.939
to go back and check out the rest of it and experience

01:14:50.939 --> 01:14:52.560
the rest of it. But I feel like this was such

01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:56.460
a fun start for me on something that is just

01:14:56.460 --> 01:15:00.680
now come out in the last few weeks. And now I

01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:03.560
get to kind of go back on a journey to discover

01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:06.859
all the other stuff. So just for me, man, just

01:15:06.859 --> 01:15:10.600
thanks. Thank you for putting this out there.

01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:13.819
I know that you guys have it seems like really

01:15:13.819 --> 01:15:18.159
been on a journey as a band. And I think it's

01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:22.239
so cool that you're still still working to put

01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:24.859
this music out there for people to experience

01:15:24.859 --> 01:15:27.539
and listen. And I'm I'm super thankful that people

01:15:27.539 --> 01:15:31.989
are. Listening to it and wherever those extra

01:15:31.989 --> 01:15:35.250
ears are coming from Whether it's they heard

01:15:35.250 --> 01:15:37.210
you on the voice and now they get a chance to

01:15:37.210 --> 01:15:39.729
listen to something new or you know Long -time

01:15:39.729 --> 01:15:41.770
fans or even new people like me that it just

01:15:41.770 --> 01:15:45.050
comes across their plate I think that it's really

01:15:45.050 --> 01:15:48.670
really cool stuff and it's a really really awesome

01:15:48.670 --> 01:15:50.989
opportunity. There's just not there's a lack

01:15:50.989 --> 01:15:53.850
of Brandon and I talk about this all the time,

01:15:54.050 --> 01:15:58.210
but there's a lack of Christian music out there

01:15:58.210 --> 01:16:02.090
in the world. You know, we made a hard shift

01:16:02.090 --> 01:16:05.890
15 years ago towards worship music. And I feel

01:16:05.890 --> 01:16:11.350
like just the ability to talk about how our relationship

01:16:11.350 --> 01:16:13.449
with Jesus and the kingdom of God impacts the

01:16:13.449 --> 01:16:16.409
everyday stuff of our life, those are voices

01:16:16.409 --> 01:16:20.069
and things that are missing. And I feel like

01:16:20.069 --> 01:16:23.609
that's to a huge detriment. for the church today

01:16:23.609 --> 01:16:26.409
of having music that can help kind of guide us

01:16:26.409 --> 01:16:29.470
through decision making and the way that we think

01:16:29.470 --> 01:16:32.210
about life and see the world. And so I'm just

01:16:32.210 --> 01:16:35.329
really grateful for anybody who's just continuing

01:16:35.329 --> 01:16:38.890
to say, let's look at the world, let's look at

01:16:38.890 --> 01:16:42.069
love, let's look at brokenness, but through the

01:16:42.069 --> 01:16:46.479
lens. through the lens of our faith and see how

01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:48.899
we can learn from each other and walk together.

01:16:48.939 --> 01:16:51.079
And I think those are such important things for

01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:55.859
us to be digging into together. Yeah, I think,

01:16:55.859 --> 01:17:00.720
you know, Joel, as a new listener, I'll say as

01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:03.739
someone who has, you know, known the band for,

01:17:03.739 --> 01:17:08.260
I mean, I guess over 15 years, it was cool getting

01:17:08.260 --> 01:17:12.119
to go through and listen to it and get to see

01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:16.159
this like this change but it feel like genuine

01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:18.880
it's not just let's we're gonna change our sounds

01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:23.159
we can sell this or whatever and I will say too

01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:27.760
that I appreciated just the thought and the quality

01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:31.159
of the album because whenever you are you know

01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:33.760
whenever it was first brought up like okay cool

01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:36.159
we're gonna sit down and talk about your album

01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:40.140
with you there is that scary part of oh man i

01:17:40.140 --> 01:17:41.800
don't want to be mean but also you don't want

01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:45.119
to lie and be like yeah this track it's has those

01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:48.100
guitars they uh they did some stuff you know

01:17:48.100 --> 01:17:52.659
and um like i i appreciated that uh it was it

01:17:52.659 --> 01:17:56.859
was an album that i enjoyed listening to um and

01:17:56.859 --> 01:18:01.380
that it it genuinely brought up like you know

01:18:01.380 --> 01:18:04.399
me thinking about stuff or me just enjoying hey

01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:06.500
this is a song that's it there's nothing deep

01:18:06.500 --> 01:18:08.899
going on it's just a nice song you know to listen

01:18:08.899 --> 01:18:12.800
to while driving or walking um so as a listener

01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:16.020
like i appreciated that it is something that

01:18:16.020 --> 01:18:19.439
you know i walked away and i was genuinely happy

01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:22.960
with the effort that was put into the band and

01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:25.699
i was like man i can't wait to add this you know

01:18:25.699 --> 01:18:28.640
like to to playlist or to go back and listen

01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:31.550
to this the same way i would you know like the

01:18:31.550 --> 01:18:34.670
the former albums the independent ones the you

01:18:34.670 --> 01:18:38.029
know self -debuted the um how did your kids describe

01:18:38.029 --> 01:18:40.930
it the album with the white car so even that

01:18:40.930 --> 01:18:46.449
album that's awesome well i appreciate you guys

01:18:46.449 --> 01:18:50.210
i mean it it's a lot to just even give a an album

01:18:50.210 --> 01:18:52.409
a full listen especially if you're going to talk

01:18:52.409 --> 01:18:56.909
on it so i appreciate you guys uh wanting to

01:18:56.909 --> 01:19:00.170
feature it and to talk to me about it and Yeah,

01:19:00.930 --> 01:19:03.609
I thank you for that. And you didn't tear me

01:19:03.609 --> 01:19:08.729
up too bad. That's awesome. Well, Brian, for

01:19:08.729 --> 01:19:10.930
folks maybe that are listening to the podcast,

01:19:11.090 --> 01:19:14.050
but they're kind of new to VOTA and maybe want

01:19:14.050 --> 01:19:16.130
to check it out after listening to you, where

01:19:16.130 --> 01:19:18.949
would you push them to to go find you guys online?

01:19:19.329 --> 01:19:22.029
Like, what would you say is the most important

01:19:22.029 --> 01:19:24.090
thing that they can do to kind of connect with

01:19:24.090 --> 01:19:28.119
what you guys are doing? Well, wherever you stream

01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:33.100
music, I mean that our VOTA VOTA It's on all

01:19:33.100 --> 01:19:36.659
platforms Votaband .com is our website so you

01:19:36.659 --> 01:19:39.479
can go there and See some of the music videos

01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:41.699
and see where we're playing live and and everything

01:19:41.699 --> 01:19:43.619
going on with us So those are probably the places

01:19:43.619 --> 01:19:45.600
to do it. That's cool I haven't checked into

01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:48.319
this yet, but I'm a huge vinyl guy and can I

01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:51.960
get this record on vinyl? No, we don't have it

01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:55.670
on vinyl yet. I We would love to do that. You

01:19:55.670 --> 01:19:58.170
know, we we don't have a label we're self -funded

01:19:58.170 --> 01:20:00.329
so one thing at a time and you know when you

01:20:00.329 --> 01:20:03.130
when you make an Album has to be a certain length.

01:20:03.210 --> 01:20:04.689
You have to master it a certain way when you

01:20:04.689 --> 01:20:07.770
actually do it So we've not we need one more

01:20:07.770 --> 01:20:10.329
we need at least one more request for it We can't

01:20:10.329 --> 01:20:14.850
just make it for you At some point at some point

01:20:14.850 --> 01:20:16.470
that might be in the future I would love to get

01:20:16.470 --> 01:20:20.109
that done too, but We'll see maybe in the coming

01:20:20.109 --> 01:20:22.060
months. We'll get that out Cool. That'd be awesome.

01:20:22.140 --> 01:20:24.520
I'll definitely keep an eye out for that. So,

01:20:24.539 --> 01:20:26.479
well, man, thank you again for hanging out with

01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:28.420
us today and talking through this. It's been

01:20:28.420 --> 01:20:32.340
a real pleasure and I'm looking forward to seeing

01:20:32.340 --> 01:20:34.520
what you guys are going to continue to do in

01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:36.800
the future and maybe how we can keep pushing

01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:40.199
it. So that's fun. Love it. Thank you. Happy

01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:42.020
Sunday, fellas. You as well. Talk to you later.

01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:46.039
Yeah, take care. All right. Well, it's time for

01:20:46.039 --> 01:21:02.199
our lyric of the week. All right, our lyric of

01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:06.119
the week comes from the track Magical. Come on,

01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:08.279
let's take on the world. Come on, let's shoot

01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:11.640
for the stars. Oh, there's no looking back. I

01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:17.640
think you stole my heart. That's cool. It's a

01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:21.500
good record. Yeah. Good song. That's pretty fun.

01:21:21.980 --> 01:21:23.880
What's been fun digging into this, especially

01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:26.100
with Brian. We're thankful that he took the time

01:21:26.100 --> 01:21:29.420
to hang out with us and talk through this today.

01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:33.000
Don't forget, you can find us on social media,

01:21:33.579 --> 01:21:36.359
Facebook. Hey, are you listening? You can email

01:21:36.359 --> 01:21:39.670
us with your questions, your comments at. um

01:21:39.670 --> 01:21:43.409
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01:21:43.409 --> 01:21:45.590
just want to say hey thanks again for showing

01:21:45.590 --> 01:21:48.430
up week after week and listening and spreading

01:21:48.430 --> 01:21:52.289
the good word and we are looking forward to continuing

01:21:52.289 --> 01:21:55.470
the journey we got some fun things that are coming

01:21:55.470 --> 01:21:58.550
up ahead and so we're excited to keep having

01:21:58.550 --> 01:22:02.329
these conversations keep digging in and to keep

01:22:02.329 --> 01:22:05.250
listening so we'll see you guys again next time

01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:11.039
Are you listening? This ain't no quiet thing

01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:18.439
We're screaming out our lungs Hey! Are you listening?

01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:19.399
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