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Are you listening And welcome to Hey, Are You

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Listening? This is a podcast exploring the past,

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present and future of Christian music. My name

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is Joel and I'm here with my good friend Brandon.

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We connected over a mutual love of some particular

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artists, but also have kind of different tastes

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when it comes to things. And so we get to experience

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some new stuff from each other while inviting

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some friends along for the ride. Brandon, we

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have a friend with us today. Why don't you introduce

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him to us? I met this guy behind the local Publix

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five minutes ago, and I said, hey, let's come

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record. No, today we have my best friend, Keith

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on. So Keith and I, we were roommates in college.

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We put together. probably a couple of hundred

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YouTube videos over the years. We were briefly

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in a quote unquote band as well together. So

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we have been through it all. And Keith is now

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here. Hey, thank you for having me on the show.

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It means a great deal to me. And I want to go

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ahead and preface by saying I'm not particularly

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insightful about music, but I do like talking

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to friends and their friends about music. Well,

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Keith, we're pumped to have you. Um, I was thinking

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earlier about how, um, just from knowing Brandon,

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um, your name comes up a lot. And so I feel like

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you're not only like famous, but you're infamous.

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So infamy, infamy probably rings true, but, but

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Brandon, all he He's got very rose colored glasses

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when it comes to me like you you hear like, you

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know People say I wish I could be the person

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my kids think I am. That's how I am with Brandon

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Like I wish I could be the person that Brandon

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thinks I am That's awesome. Well for my sake

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and everybody else's sake Tell us a little bit

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about how you guys came to know each other and

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then maybe how like music Intersects into that

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story a little bit. Okay, the first day we met

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we were at a yard sale for our youth group and

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Keith found this Optimus Prime mask and he just

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put it on and started like talking in it and

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I was wearing a catch I think I brought my own

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ketchup costume either that or we found it there

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and so we have this photo of the first time we

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ever met each other and I think you also had

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like frog sunglasses on maybe yeah definitely

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there were frog sunglasses that I remember vividly

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and so um yeah music it's it's played a huge

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part um i remember when we first became friends

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i joined the youth group um i keith was like

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man i want to get into like christian music i

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want to find some like good christian music and

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i gave him a bunch of cds and he was like yeah

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this is good this is whatever and um there was

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this cd and i'm like well here's a band that

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i really love but Everyone else is kind of like

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they're kind of weird. So you can check it out

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and I was like it's kind of a concept album about

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like suburban America and like, you know, they're

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telling stories and it was house furrows suburb.

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And so that kind of kicked off this friendship.

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And so over the years, like there's been a lot

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of like alternative stuff and I'll be like, hey,

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check this out, Keith. And then Keith has fallen

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more onto like the folk side. So there's a lot

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of really cool like folk. Kind of like the artists

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today we're going to be discussing that keith

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has introduced me to You know house of heroes

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would be like the soundtrack of the back end

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of my high school career for sure And into I

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mean they just stuck around forever. I was really

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into them forever and it seems like back when

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we like at that time like half of our conversations

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were associated with music like we I think we

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both considered ourselves deep thinkers and you

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know how you can get it you can get into an echo

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chamber with another person and be like, yeah

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we we like art we know stuff and then you know

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we're discussing what these songs mean and everything

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but I can remember being very you know and we

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did we we did try the whole band thing so I remember

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music was a much bigger all the time I've spent

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with Brandon music has been a much a very big

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part of all the things that we discuss and talk

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about That's awesome. I'm really interested in

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what the artists are that you exposed Keith to

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that he was like whatever about. John Rubin.

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John Rubin. I was hoping you wouldn't ask because

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one of them is going to break your heart though.

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I remember this is where it starts going downhill

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where Keith has been really doing really good.

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I hate this guy. Why'd you bring him up? I remember

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I gave him my island by star flyer 59 and i was

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like check this stuff out and keith was like

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i don't know what they're doing but okay maybe

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maybe not the best intro album for star flyer

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i did i bounced i bounced right off of them and

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then you know brandon has always been like i

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can that i would have named them as well from

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that question but for some reason yeah they i

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just always they always bounce i always bounced

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off of them Well, they're they're just the namesake

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of our podcast. They're no big deal. I know It

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makes me feel really bad. I kind of want to circle

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back It does hurt my heart a little bit that

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keith jumped at john rubin I think in my heart.

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I always thought like ah keith jokes around but

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you know Like we one of our friends andrew One

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time I said something about toby mac being talented

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and he was like, yeah if you're a middle -aged

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mom I I don't I don't put any I don't want to

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put any disrespect on john rubin's name. I liked

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a couple of his but they I I couldn't I couldn't

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get into a lot of them I understand but that's

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okay That's all right. We love brandon and john

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rubin i'm sure is the nicest guy Does he not

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sell real estate now? He's a billionaire now

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Yeah, I remember there was an interesting story

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about his life I don't want to get sidetracked

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but I for some reason I'm remembering some John

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Rubin lore that is weird and shiny in my brain

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I tried to like we covered a John Rubin album

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and I tried to cook Some of that out of Brandon

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on the air. Uh -huh. And if you go back and listen

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to that episode you do not get into any of the

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Potential speculation about John Rubin at all.

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So long story short, whenever we had Tim Skipper

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come to our church, one of the first things I

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said to him was, yeah, I was hoping you'd bring

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like John Rubin. And I remember talking to him

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and he was like, yeah, John started this company

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with his brother. And then Disney came along

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and just paid them like a billion dollars for

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it. And so John Rubin is just this millionaire

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that's hanging out with people. I think he opened

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for House Fears a couple of weeks ago. Gotcha.

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So yeah, he's just going around. You missed that

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show. Moneybags, I should have went. Did he really

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open for them? I think he might have been the

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emcee. I know that his daughter and I think Colin's

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son opened. But I think, you know, John, someone

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was like, here's a microphone. And he was like,

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let me go dip it. You do it. These are the kind

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of things that would have made me leave the room.

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I love that Brandon's like, you know, John, and

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I'm like, no, Brandon, you know, John. I do not

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know, John. Well, today, Keith has brought us

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what I'm assuming Keith is maybe one of your

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favorite records. And that is I'll be the branches

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by Chris Renzema. And so I'm not even sure if

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I'm saying that right, but we'll get to that

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in just a little bit. But before we dig into

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that, let's check the mail. So today, our friend

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of the show, Andrew writes in. about our episode

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where we had Zach on and he says, I enjoyed the

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extended Bojangles discussion. Joel noted that

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it was a bigger deal in North Carolina. And while

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that may be true, there's a reason for it. The

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quality of Bojangles restaurants in North Carolina

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and even upstate South Carolina is much higher

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than in the low country area. Um, even like returning

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into a bojangles podcast That was zach's plan

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Even still, um the folly road Specific the folly

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road bojangles drive -through line will wrap

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around the building for hours on sunday mornings

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until afternoon So just in case you needed to

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know that information Now, you know, I remember

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this was always a big uh discussion for geethan

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college um keith, who who would you say is Probably

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the your go -to chicken place right now Like

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who do you think is doing it best and who do

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you think might be? I don't know overrated Doing

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chicken the best. Yeah, I don't think you prepared

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him for this Right now I i'll be hitting dave's

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hot chicken pretty hard Um, which I don't know

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if they have any of those in the low country,

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you know But uh, we have the one we have one

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here and just like i'm i'm a sucker for a dry

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rub so um, but I mean I really don't discriminate

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against chicken brand. I just I can't do it.

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Um I don't have a great answer to that But if

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you if I had to drop one chicken joint off the

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face of the earth in favor of another I would

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probably give up zaxby's for bojangles at this

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point in my life Yeah, zaxby's has got to go

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oh man we I don't know if I'd go that far what

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what I will say though is that I will not hear

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any like Cane's zaxby's warfare. I feel like

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zaxby's was here first canes needs to leave us

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alone I I can get with that i'm getting pretty

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uncomfortable right now. I was just having this

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conversation the other day with somebody one

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of my friends and we were talking about canes

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and um, this was another pro canes person and

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um, and i'm like everything canes does they just

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get right because they only have like four things

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on the menu chicken fries bread, and like sweet

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tea. And they just knock all of them out of the

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park. I think they've gotten better. I just know

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the first time I ever went to Keynes, it was

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me, Keith, and our friend Emmanuel from college.

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We all went there. We're all having a good time.

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Then we get home and we all just got so sick.

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And so I just remember for the longest time being

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like, I don't want to get sick. I understand

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how that can that can do that. So It's fine anyways,

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this isn't a chicken podcast, but andrew also

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says ps if bone jangles were a musical genre

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So go back to our discussion that we had there

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Um, it would be whatever maline and the sons

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of disaster is do you know that band? No They're

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like a dirty south hardcore band. So which maybe

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fits. I don't know Sounds about right. I've never

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heard of them, but yeah Dirty and south Um, all

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right. So also my wife, Emily, um, writes in

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with a heavy hitter of a question. So I'm going

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to pose this to both of you guys and see what

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you think about it. So her question is what does

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the W and Michael W Smith stand for? Now we could

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Google it, of course, and figure this out, but

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it might be more fun to make some guesses. So

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what do you think the W and Michael will be spent?

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Um, i don't know keith what are you thinking

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whelan like whelan jennings that's not a bad

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guess the first thing that came to my mind was

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wubaka like chewbacca but just michael wubaka

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smith i'd like to change my answer to that one

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because clearly it's correct I tried to think

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about this realistically before I actually Googled

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it and figured out what it was. And so I was

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thinking probably like Wayne. Michael Wayne Smith

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sounds pretty realistic. But you know, the actual

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answer is Whittaker. Michael Whittaker Smith.

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If I hadn't if I had Whittaker in my name anywhere

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you couldn't tell me nothing I'd be I'd be open

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carrying Kissing babies Robin banks, it's a pretty

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solid name for sure All right. Well, don't forget

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that you can reach out to us with your own questions

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for the podcast or just comments at Hey, are

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you listening pod at gmail .com? and we would

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love to be able to hear from you. So we're going

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to transition real quick into a game. So let's

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play. All right. So today what we're going to

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be doing is a version of this or that concert

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edition. OK. All right, so I want you to think

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about concerts when you're going to a concert.

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Which of these are you looking for? First off,

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would you rather I guess I should have called

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this would you rather this or that rather? Would

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you rather have a photo with the band or an autograph

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from the band? And it would be I'll just throw

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out that if it's one person or if it's five people

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in the band, it can be. whatever you want autographed

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um by anyone in there or a photo so i think i'd

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have to go with a photo it seems more personal

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like this is my bud versus a famous person signed

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this you know if we're gonna get i don't know

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how deep in in the Therapeutic this podcast kids,

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but I have kind of some I kind of you know some

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esteem issues So if I get the wrong angle the

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picture is gonna I'm not gonna like the picture

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And an autograph so in the off chance that really

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you know need some money later on I can sell

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Okay All right, you're at the merch table. Are

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you grabbing a CD a cassette or vinyl? That's

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easy vinyl all day long. Yeah, also vinyl. I'm

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not gonna listen to any of them. So I might as

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well get the cool And we know what the answer

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is for you though that CD I remember going to

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a concert a couple years ago I don't want to

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name who it is because I really like them as

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a person as an artist But they were like, yeah

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We're selling like the CD and I'm like cool and

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I bought it and they just give me this like business

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card looking thing And I go, what is this? And

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they're like, yeah, you go online and download

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it I'm like I could have just gone to Apple music.

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Why are you giving me this one to CD with a booklet?

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This is not a CD. This is you fundamentally it

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does understand what a CD is front row seats

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or a meet -and -greet There's other people in

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the meet -and -greet too, so I'll throw it out

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there so that helps even them out a little bit

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So 20 people in a meet -and -greet or front -row

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seats for the whole show Put me on the front

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row I Guess I would say front row. Yeah, I don't

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really care about the meet -and -greet thing.

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Mm -hmm, but Also, the sounds always not awesome

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on the front row. So I don't know if I love either

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one of the options I already told you, you can

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just stay outside. Never meet your heroes. I'm

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always worried about a meet and greet. I'm always

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worried about it. That's a good word. A full

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band backing band or an acoustic set? I mean,

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I think I'm a full band every time. Yeah. I'll

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go acoustic every time. Alright. That's my, that's,

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you know, prove it to me, I guess. Prove your

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prowess. Do you, I know for me, I've always enjoyed

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the shows where it's like you'll have like a

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mix, which I guess it's kind of, I've never been

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to one where it's all acoustic, then it becomes

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rocking, but I've enjoyed where it's like you'll

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have maybe 40 minutes of like all the full band

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or whatever, but then you have like the lead

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singer and the guitarist or something just go

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Like walk down the stage and start playing a

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couple of like acoustic songs Yeah, no, I love

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that. I think it's great. I one of my favorite

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artists is doing a Like 20th anniversary of a

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record that I love Maybe 25. I don't I don't

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know. How old am I anyways? But I found out he's

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playing in Charlotte and so I told Emily I was

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like we need to go for this weekend up to Charlotte

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and go see him play And I was like, we can get

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some money to watch the kids. It'll be awesome.

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And she's like, yeah, let's do it. And then we

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found out that it was an acoustic tour. And we

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were both like, eh. But I do like the mix for

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sure. At every Switchfoot show, for instance,

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they do the big Switchfoot thing. But then afterwards,

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John Foreman always comes out with an acoustic

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guitar to like. the 25 people that hang around

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afterwards and does like a little solo set. And

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I think that's awesome. I love stuff like that.

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What about a festival slash like arena versus

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like a small club or church or whatever? So like

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I would say under 500 people or more than like

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10 ,000 at the show. Yeah. I mean, if you can

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get a big band to only play to 500 people and

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I can be there, I would definitely prefer that.

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I think you just never get that option with big

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people. But yeah, if I don't have to brave a

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crowd or bump into somebody, I'd love a little

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small arena. Yeah, I'm a small venue guy all

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day long like I'd rather see anybody in an intimate

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setting their bands that I would love to see

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that I'll never get to see in that setting but

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I love bands that will intentionally Do that

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like one of my favorite bands will go They intentionally

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don't play huge arenas and they'd rather play

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multiple nights in the same place Just to be

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in a smaller space and have a more intimate feel

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and love that. Yeah, that is really cool. I got

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two more next up As far as the set list do you

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want to hear all the hits or the deep cuts? I

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don't have a I don't have a super robust opinion

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on this one I normally I normally enjoy the hits

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most of the time but there have been times when

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i've gone to a show and i've wanted to see like

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I've been disappointed that a band hasn't played

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something I wanted to hear I remember lizzie

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told me to a need to breathe show at the state

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fair one time um that's my wife but uh and I

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remember I wanted them to play Ooze and Oz really

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bad and they I was just like expecting that and

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forgetting that I was at a state fair they were

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going to play three songs and leave and uh you

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know it didn't happen so I was pretty bummed

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but either way because it would satisfy me yeah

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Man, that's a tough one. I would think it probably

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depends on the band and like how well I know

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the band Yeah, if I know the band really well

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that I probably want to go more deep cuts But

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if I'm just getting introduced to the band, I'm

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probably gonna enjoy the hits more, you know,

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okay and then finally so this one's kind of like

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it's not a This or that it's you're at the show

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You get the band calls you on stage the join

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them in a song who? Who's the band you want saying

00:21:22.470 --> 00:21:26.509
hey Joel? Hey Keith come up on stage? Bonus you

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can choose what song you're joining in on What

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am I doing Brandon's just anything you want We're

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doing anything we want on stage or we're gonna

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we're singing You can sing you do it you can

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grab a tambourine if you want whichever you want.

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Oh boy I probably I was gonna say earlier when

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if you asked why why I wanted to choose um chris

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rinthima rinsama I don't know how to say his

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last name either But I just feel like he sings

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kind of in my register Or at least for what I

00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:03.039
feel like it is whenever i'm belting songs in

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in my truck So I would like it to be someone

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that I feel like I could at least sound like

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Like that gretta van fleet band that sings like

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they're from the 80s or whatever and they sing

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really high I could never keep up. I would just

00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:21.920
sound like an animal Yeah, that's hard Honestly,

00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:24.759
probably something that's like pretty loud and

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like the kind of thing that the whole crowd like

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Yeah, the singers holding the mic out to you.

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Yeah so maybe like an mxpx or something just

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Yeah, let's keep it simple. It made me we I went

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to a acoustic family force 5 set Which I feel

00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.539
like anyone who knows the band is just a very

00:22:43.539 --> 00:22:46.079
odd thing to hear from them for sure But they

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had one part one of their most famous songs is

00:22:49.859 --> 00:22:51.779
called country gentleman and there's just like

00:22:51.779 --> 00:22:54.359
rap part for the second verse they do so they

00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:56.740
called like three fans on stage and they're like

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all right who can like do the rap part the best

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and so yeah it could happen you never know it

00:23:03.859 --> 00:23:09.740
could it could happen cool well brandon thanks

00:23:09.740 --> 00:23:13.109
for walking us through that um It's always interesting

00:23:13.109 --> 00:23:15.109
to see where we're going to end up. Well, let's

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talk a little bit about what we've been listening

00:23:17.309 --> 00:23:19.910
to lately. Love to hear from you guys. What's

00:23:19.910 --> 00:23:21.670
something that you've been paying attention to?

00:23:22.470 --> 00:23:27.190
Um, I can go first. Um, I had, uh, so Ben, I

00:23:27.190 --> 00:23:29.910
mentioned them a lot, um, Gable Price and friends

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and they had some music that they, um, had like

00:23:34.529 --> 00:23:37.250
released a while back, but I think it didn't

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make it to all of the platforms. So it kind of

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made me go back and listen to some of the older

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stuff that they released like way before I got

00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:48.299
into them. And there's this EP they did called

00:23:48.299 --> 00:23:52.400
If I'm Being Honest and it had a mix of it had

00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:54.539
like I Need You on there, which I feel like is

00:23:54.539 --> 00:23:57.400
one of their biggest ones. But they also do this

00:23:57.400 --> 00:23:59.759
cool thing where it's a couple of the songs live,

00:24:00.220 --> 00:24:03.519
a couple of the songs like Revisited or whatever.

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and um so i've been having that ep pretty much

00:24:06.619 --> 00:24:10.539
on repeat so it's just like 26 minutes um been

00:24:10.539 --> 00:24:14.619
listening to that and been listening to um both

00:24:14.619 --> 00:24:17.380
gable price and friends and last bison have been

00:24:17.380 --> 00:24:19.579
kind of teasing some of the new stuff they have

00:24:19.579 --> 00:24:22.900
coming out um so it's not like music but it's

00:24:22.900 --> 00:24:25.279
really just been listening to an instagram like

00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:28.000
reel on repeat so it's just listening to the

00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.460
same five seconds immediately oh yeah this is

00:24:30.890 --> 00:24:34.210
the the other three and a half minutes of this

00:24:34.210 --> 00:24:37.970
is probably gonna be pretty good so you're a

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child of the new of the new age man so young

00:24:42.170 --> 00:24:46.069
keith how about you um in the in the christian

00:24:46.069 --> 00:24:50.119
sphere i've been So I have I have a toddler we

00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:52.759
have been hitting veggie tails hard over the

00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:55.440
last couple of weeks Um, we have been hitting

00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:58.299
the greatest hits of veggie tails pretty hard

00:24:58.299 --> 00:25:02.119
Um, I do like she also likes just talking about

00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:05.420
stuff in the car. She she likes um, Crap forest

00:25:05.420 --> 00:25:07.299
frank. She likes him a lot. So we listen to him

00:25:07.299 --> 00:25:10.519
a good bit But personally, um, I have gotten

00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:13.119
some recommendations from tiktok of some small

00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:16.099
dudes This guy named jimmy clifton has put out

00:25:16.099 --> 00:25:20.109
some really good Like I guess you call it folk

00:25:20.109 --> 00:25:22.829
kind of like Appalachian sounding christian music,

00:25:22.829 --> 00:25:25.750
which is really good and really convicting stuff

00:25:25.750 --> 00:25:29.049
Josh garros, I think put out an ep last year

00:25:29.049 --> 00:25:34.130
at one point that I really liked What else? I've

00:25:34.130 --> 00:25:37.470
gone down a bit of a every you know At some point

00:25:37.470 --> 00:25:39.690
during the year. I go down a keith green I don't

00:25:39.690 --> 00:25:41.890
know if you guys know keith green from like the

00:25:41.890 --> 00:25:45.329
70s But um, you know, I go down a rabbit hole

00:25:45.329 --> 00:25:47.250
of listening to his greatest hits a little bit

00:25:47.740 --> 00:25:50.500
Listen to a lot of sovereign grace music. So

00:25:50.500 --> 00:25:52.640
um, I just have a playlist with all that stuff

00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:54.819
on there that i've been listening to a lot And

00:25:54.819 --> 00:25:59.059
if you if we'd go secular at all um, jason isbell

00:25:59.059 --> 00:26:02.740
is a just he put out he got divorced and then

00:26:02.740 --> 00:26:06.039
made an album which I think I don't really love

00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:07.720
the idea of him being divorced or anyone getting

00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.240
divorced, but I do love what it does to music

00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:14.880
So, uh, the album is very good But yeah a lot

00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:17.670
of a lot of different stuff, I guess That's cool.

00:26:17.710 --> 00:26:20.230
I think Keith should probably spend some time

00:26:20.230 --> 00:26:23.329
listening to some John Van Deeson or John Guerra

00:26:23.329 --> 00:26:28.650
You might like it Check him out Yeah, send them

00:26:28.650 --> 00:26:30.670
to me send them to me I'll send give me some

00:26:30.670 --> 00:26:33.529
homework from this show because I'm in need I

00:26:33.529 --> 00:26:36.470
cycle through the same people pretty often and

00:26:36.470 --> 00:26:40.309
I'm I'm I'm in a drought for new stuff Please

00:26:40.309 --> 00:26:42.589
send me a send me a list. We'll make it happen.

00:26:42.589 --> 00:26:47.420
We'll make it happen I think we're finally getting

00:26:47.420 --> 00:26:49.980
to the point where there's new stuff kicking

00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:53.859
in for this year, which is kind of fun. So one

00:26:53.859 --> 00:26:57.700
of my friends, Mark Nix, he's the lead singer

00:26:57.700 --> 00:27:01.559
for the band, Coolhand Luke. And my band used

00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:06.119
to do stuff with them, but they're kind of in

00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:10.470
a stage of just till he's releasing. Singles

00:27:10.470 --> 00:27:12.289
occasionally things that he's working on when

00:27:12.289 --> 00:27:15.430
he's got time to and they have a brand new single

00:27:15.430 --> 00:27:18.970
out called the wild unknown and I've just spent

00:27:18.970 --> 00:27:20.890
a lot of time listening that song like it's pretty

00:27:20.890 --> 00:27:25.089
fun and it's it's a really cool track. So I would

00:27:25.089 --> 00:27:27.930
encourage people to go check that out and support

00:27:27.930 --> 00:27:31.609
Mark and cool him Luke. It's good stuff. So all

00:27:31.609 --> 00:27:35.269
right. Well, let's transition in and get into

00:27:35.269 --> 00:27:43.930
this record. So today we're covering the album

00:27:43.930 --> 00:27:47.470
I'll Be the Branches by Chris, we're guessing,

00:27:47.769 --> 00:27:51.529
Renzema. Here's a little info that I was able

00:27:51.529 --> 00:27:55.250
to pull off about this one. So this is Renzema's

00:27:55.250 --> 00:27:59.470
first full length album. It was released independently

00:27:59.470 --> 00:28:06.210
on March 30th, 2018. It includes the hits I don't

00:28:06.210 --> 00:28:08.329
actually know if this is true. It definitely

00:28:08.329 --> 00:28:12.710
includes how to be yours, which racked up millions

00:28:12.710 --> 00:28:17.109
of streams. And all of that happened with like

00:28:17.109 --> 00:28:19.869
no marketing or any label backing or anything.

00:28:19.990 --> 00:28:22.730
He just like caught a moment and somehow his

00:28:22.730 --> 00:28:25.849
music really got out there. So Keith, I don't

00:28:25.849 --> 00:28:27.869
know how long you've been listening to him But

00:28:27.869 --> 00:28:31.130
but you're the one kind of with some background

00:28:31.130 --> 00:28:34.529
on Chris and his music So let us know how like

00:28:34.529 --> 00:28:37.369
how did you first get into this? When did it

00:28:37.369 --> 00:28:40.950
come across your come on your radar and which

00:28:40.950 --> 00:28:43.849
kind of your journey with his music? I'll be

00:28:43.849 --> 00:28:47.410
honest. I learned that it was, you know, that

00:28:47.410 --> 00:28:49.930
stuff that you mentioned whenever you guys asked

00:28:49.930 --> 00:28:51.809
me to come be on the show and bring an album.

00:28:51.910 --> 00:28:54.529
So I mean, I didn't know that beforehand. I think

00:28:54.529 --> 00:28:56.829
I've been listening to it since for the last

00:28:56.829 --> 00:28:59.069
like three years. I think it's three years or

00:28:59.069 --> 00:29:02.630
so whenever I discovered him. The way I try to

00:29:02.630 --> 00:29:04.609
find new music is whenever I hit the drought,

00:29:04.829 --> 00:29:07.130
I just like go on Apple Music and find a song

00:29:07.130 --> 00:29:09.769
I like and then click make a station. And then

00:29:09.769 --> 00:29:11.829
just let it feed me some new stuff. Yeah, that's

00:29:11.829 --> 00:29:14.829
good. And he came up... I'm not sure which of

00:29:14.829 --> 00:29:17.569
his songs came up. I think it was a later one

00:29:17.569 --> 00:29:20.630
probably. It's probably... He's got one called

00:29:20.630 --> 00:29:24.190
Springtime or Seventeen. I really wanted to find

00:29:24.190 --> 00:29:26.769
a way to get those included, but I wanted to

00:29:26.769 --> 00:29:29.130
pick an album that had more of my favorites on

00:29:29.130 --> 00:29:32.950
there. But yeah, I just... It was an Apple Music

00:29:32.950 --> 00:29:36.410
gold mine that just fed one up to me and... I

00:29:36.410 --> 00:29:41.210
just really identified with the kind of stuff

00:29:41.210 --> 00:29:43.650
that he wrote about, the kind of stuff that he

00:29:43.650 --> 00:29:49.109
was singing about. I think in an age where the

00:29:49.109 --> 00:29:51.809
church seems to be very focused on reach and

00:29:51.809 --> 00:29:57.670
influence and being as exciting as the world,

00:29:58.150 --> 00:30:01.950
that he sings from a place of humility and from

00:30:01.950 --> 00:30:05.119
a place of trying, you know, helps me tap into

00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:08.700
the fact that I am closest, I feel closest to

00:30:08.700 --> 00:30:10.880
God, and I am closest to God when I'm humble,

00:30:11.299 --> 00:30:15.500
and I understand my need of Him as someone who

00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:18.900
is a sinner and someone who is not worthy of,

00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:22.460
you know, the mercy that He's given. And His

00:30:22.460 --> 00:30:24.119
music just, He was a tap right into that for

00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:28.460
me. That's awesome Brandon what how long have

00:30:28.460 --> 00:30:31.180
you known about Chris and his music? So if I'm

00:30:31.180 --> 00:30:33.259
being honest, I was going back through playlist

00:30:33.259 --> 00:30:37.119
and a couple years ago I asked Keith for some

00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:39.700
recommendations for new music and Keith recommended

00:30:39.700 --> 00:30:42.700
Chris and I listened to it a couple of times

00:30:42.700 --> 00:30:44.640
then like never kind of went like followed up

00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.720
on it Yeah, and so I feel like now I'm getting

00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:50.859
to listening through this. I was able to Fulfill

00:30:50.859 --> 00:30:54.119
that like hey Keith. I'm getting around to it

00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.460
But I was pretty excited. You know, I've shared

00:30:58.460 --> 00:31:01.700
a little bit that I feel like growing up, worship

00:31:01.700 --> 00:31:03.740
kind of just took this turn where it was like

00:31:03.740 --> 00:31:06.779
there was no space for creativity and it was

00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:10.160
how can we like mass market this or how can we

00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.299
perform this, you know, make sure this song is

00:31:12.299 --> 00:31:14.920
easily performable, you know, Sunday mornings.

00:31:15.339 --> 00:31:18.140
And so for me, it's been really cool the past

00:31:18.140 --> 00:31:21.160
few years because we'll kind of get into this,

00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:24.890
but I... I kind of... I kept thinking when I

00:31:24.890 --> 00:31:28.109
was listening to this about, like, John Van Dusen,

00:31:28.329 --> 00:31:31.950
a guy you really like, and then this guy, Fepeste,

00:31:32.049 --> 00:31:36.490
that I found last year, that I felt like was,

00:31:36.490 --> 00:31:39.369
like, a little less polished than this, but I

00:31:39.369 --> 00:31:42.970
feel like in my mind there's this, like, sub

00:31:42.970 --> 00:31:46.049
-genre of worship that I call it, like, journal

00:31:46.049 --> 00:31:49.289
worship, that it feels like you have opened someone's

00:31:49.289 --> 00:31:52.089
journal. and you're like, let's turn, let's make

00:31:52.089 --> 00:31:55.670
this into an album or put music to it. Yeah.

00:31:55.990 --> 00:31:59.210
So it was, it was pretty cool getting to kind

00:31:59.210 --> 00:32:03.309
of dive in and kind of see this other side of

00:32:03.309 --> 00:32:05.829
I feel like a genre that for a long time, I kind

00:32:05.829 --> 00:32:08.910
of just like just passed whenever I would see

00:32:08.910 --> 00:32:12.569
someone with that label on it. Is that is that

00:32:12.569 --> 00:32:15.609
a Brandon trademark term, journal worship? I

00:32:15.609 --> 00:32:19.029
hope it is. that's exceptional that that that

00:32:19.029 --> 00:32:22.069
i'm not i'm not here just to like you know to

00:32:22.069 --> 00:32:25.130
talk you up or whatever but that that was that's

00:32:25.130 --> 00:32:27.789
like that's i'm gonna write that down too i think

00:32:27.789 --> 00:32:30.289
the the label should be using this well if you

00:32:30.289 --> 00:32:35.210
want the t -shirt head on We do need, we should

00:32:35.210 --> 00:32:38.509
set up an online store. Um, that's a great idea.

00:32:39.049 --> 00:32:41.309
No, uh, yeah, I think it's super fitting. I've

00:32:41.309 --> 00:32:43.710
always kind of thought of like, you've got like

00:32:43.710 --> 00:32:46.089
corporate worship and then more like personal

00:32:46.089 --> 00:32:48.529
worship and this kind of this and other things

00:32:48.529 --> 00:32:50.349
that I really enjoy listening to fits in that

00:32:50.349 --> 00:32:53.190
personal worship category, stuff that I can worship

00:32:53.190 --> 00:32:57.069
to you by myself, um, versus, and, and they're

00:32:57.069 --> 00:32:59.609
both good and they both have their place. Right.

00:32:59.690 --> 00:33:02.789
Um, but things that I like enjoy listening to

00:33:02.789 --> 00:33:05.549
on my own fit more in the personal worship category.

00:33:06.329 --> 00:33:11.150
So I, I, um, it probably is Renzema and not Renzema.

00:33:11.349 --> 00:33:16.210
I don't know. But if you ask Amazon Alexa, she

00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:19.650
thinks it's Renzema, but I've always said Renzema,

00:33:19.769 --> 00:33:24.559
so I don't, I don't know. Somebody needs to set

00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.900
us straight by sending us an email Chris if you're

00:33:28.900 --> 00:33:33.140
listening Help us out Chris, please So but I've

00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:35.940
always yeah, this is a name that I have heard

00:33:35.940 --> 00:33:38.559
apparently not listening to to pay attention

00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:40.819
to how to pronounce it but it's a name that I've

00:33:40.819 --> 00:33:45.420
come across a lot and so Brandon when you said

00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:48.019
hey, this is what Keith wants to cover. I'm like,

00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:51.380
oh, yeah, I've heard of him um and I knew I feel

00:33:51.380 --> 00:33:54.619
like a little bit like where he was gonna fall

00:33:54.619 --> 00:33:57.740
just based off of some of the things that that

00:33:57.740 --> 00:33:59.720
I had heard but I'd actually never I don't think

00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.619
listen to any of his music at least extensively

00:34:02.619 --> 00:34:05.180
and so this was kind of my first time digging

00:34:05.180 --> 00:34:08.400
into um an album of his which was kind of a fun

00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.860
thing so one thing I was curious of um so Keith

00:34:11.860 --> 00:34:15.650
he's um on tiktok and instagram you do a lot

00:34:15.650 --> 00:34:18.289
of like book reviews so like you say you know

00:34:18.289 --> 00:34:20.150
going into it it's something where you don't

00:34:20.150 --> 00:34:22.389
sit down like at your house and put vinyl on

00:34:22.389 --> 00:34:24.929
and think oh let me take a probably pull apart

00:34:24.929 --> 00:34:27.969
this album so kind of like going into doing a

00:34:27.969 --> 00:34:31.489
review um did you feel like it was similar or

00:34:31.489 --> 00:34:33.110
do you feel like it was way different than when

00:34:33.110 --> 00:34:35.329
you read a book and then sit down to kind of

00:34:35.329 --> 00:34:38.409
give your like rating your thoughts on it the

00:34:38.409 --> 00:34:41.980
concept is definitely similar Um, I find that

00:34:41.980 --> 00:34:45.440
i'm a much more lenient I can be a very critical

00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.840
person, um, especially in stuff that like makes

00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:54.239
it into the Public sphere, I guess like i'm not

00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:55.840
going to be critical of your journal writings

00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:59.519
But if you try to sell like a novel like that's

00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:02.500
that's you buying into like i'm i've made this

00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:04.420
thing and it's gonna people are gonna criticize

00:35:04.420 --> 00:35:07.019
it I guess I tend to be pretty critical. Um,

00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.510
but With music i'm a lot less critical for some

00:35:09.510 --> 00:35:11.289
reason and even less critical with stuff that

00:35:11.289 --> 00:35:14.590
I like So I find it hard to review this album

00:35:14.590 --> 00:35:17.369
just because I have liked it for so long but

00:35:17.369 --> 00:35:20.409
it's it is a super similar concept because I

00:35:20.409 --> 00:35:25.570
mean music poetry Pros all those things are if

00:35:25.570 --> 00:35:28.570
it's good. I think it's meant to convey a message

00:35:28.570 --> 00:35:32.110
You know, I guess some most music probably conveys

00:35:32.110 --> 00:35:34.010
a message even more so like some books are written

00:35:34.010 --> 00:35:36.550
just to entertain but I think almost all music

00:35:36.550 --> 00:35:40.579
kind of Has a message to it. And so whether it's

00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:43.920
music or whether it's a book, it's I that's it's

00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.480
very similar It's very similar to you know, see

00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.179
what's this person trying to say? Are they saying

00:35:49.179 --> 00:35:52.219
it? Well, and there's all the stuff around what

00:35:52.219 --> 00:35:55.840
they're saying, you know pleasant it's a lot

00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.239
easier to review music or at least not easier,

00:35:59.300 --> 00:36:01.869
but like It didn't take me as long to think about

00:36:01.869 --> 00:36:03.769
so it was a lot less of an investment Which I

00:36:03.769 --> 00:36:05.769
think is another reason why I don't have to be

00:36:05.769 --> 00:36:08.389
as critical It's like a novel like you've taken

00:36:08.389 --> 00:36:11.590
30 hours of my time. Yeah, and i'm gonna let

00:36:11.590 --> 00:36:14.590
you have it But like music like hey, this was

00:36:14.590 --> 00:36:17.590
only 45 minutes. We're chill, dude I didn't love

00:36:17.590 --> 00:36:21.250
it, but it's great Awesome. Um, so yeah, I guess

00:36:21.250 --> 00:36:24.489
jumping into it. Um, joel What were your thoughts

00:36:24.489 --> 00:36:27.250
on the first track? I don't want to go yeah,

00:36:27.250 --> 00:36:32.329
well I hit play on it and My notes, I said, I'm

00:36:32.329 --> 00:36:35.210
trying to figure out where this is going. Just

00:36:35.210 --> 00:36:39.269
because I didn't have a context really. And so

00:36:39.269 --> 00:36:42.389
I wrote, is this a worship record? Because I

00:36:42.389 --> 00:36:44.250
think I remember when I hit play for the first

00:36:44.250 --> 00:36:47.309
time listening to it, I'm like, this kind of

00:36:47.309 --> 00:36:49.889
sounds like a worship record. Is this a worship

00:36:49.889 --> 00:36:53.570
record? And so I was just trying to figure it

00:36:53.570 --> 00:36:58.960
out. Simple song to begin with, but it hit a

00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:00.820
point in the song where it kind of like kicked

00:37:00.820 --> 00:37:04.320
in like the band came in kind of in a full way.

00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.739
And I'm like, Oh, this is, this is really nice.

00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.719
I felt like the production on it. We talk a lot

00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:12.960
about production. I felt like the production

00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.460
was really good. And it's a kind of production

00:37:15.460 --> 00:37:20.239
that I enjoy in that it, everything sounds clear

00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:24.480
and crisp and nice, but it's not like, it's not

00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:30.000
like super like, it feels like a crisp like live

00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:35.980
album almost, versus versus just like an overly

00:37:35.980 --> 00:37:39.099
produced like record that comes out. And I like

00:37:39.099 --> 00:37:41.739
that sense of the production. And so I was instantly

00:37:41.739 --> 00:37:44.780
kind of hit with that as the song was coming

00:37:44.780 --> 00:37:49.300
in. And I thought I'm like, man, he made this

00:37:49.300 --> 00:37:52.440
record by himself or I, cause I felt like I read

00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.460
that somewhere that like he recorded it in himself.

00:37:55.579 --> 00:37:58.059
And I'm like, this is really good for like a

00:37:58.059 --> 00:38:02.199
self produced record. Um, and there's like a

00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:04.739
really cool build on the bridge of this song

00:38:04.739 --> 00:38:08.719
that I thought was awesome. And then it doesn't

00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:11.719
actually build to somewhere. It like drops at

00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.920
the end of the build, which was cool. Um, I,

00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.800
I kind of wanted like, I kind of wanted the high

00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.400
point from that bridge. it never really got there

00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.800
but um but I appreciated the restraint all the

00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.880
same and so um and then it had a classic like

00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.940
90s fade out at the end which I thought was a

00:38:30.940 --> 00:38:33.340
really fascinating thing you don't hear that

00:38:33.340 --> 00:38:38.380
very often in music um these days so but um but

00:38:38.380 --> 00:38:41.059
I felt like with this first song I'm like okay

00:38:41.059 --> 00:38:44.019
I'm here I like this this is this is cool yeah

00:38:44.019 --> 00:38:49.420
Keith how about you um Like we said at the top

00:38:49.420 --> 00:38:53.280
of the show that I do not, I don't think I have

00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:56.760
the categories to quite analyze music this way,

00:38:56.780 --> 00:39:01.599
but I will just go back again to the idea of

00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:05.340
just what it means. I do hate, as someone whose

00:39:05.340 --> 00:39:08.980
Bible study has been something that I do all,

00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.039
you know, for since I was saved at 10th grade

00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.559
or whatever, like, hermeneutics and then extracting

00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.619
meaning from things. I hate the phrase, like,

00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.179
well, what it means to me. But I think it's fair

00:39:19.179 --> 00:39:22.179
when it comes to music someone put out. And yeah,

00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.699
just from Jump Street on this album, the idea

00:39:24.699 --> 00:39:30.619
of, like, I am not enough. I'm not enough, and

00:39:30.619 --> 00:39:33.559
I need you, and I don't want to go anywhere you're

00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:37.460
not. And I just yeah, it sounds good in my ears.

00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.800
I couldn't tell you couldn't tell you why but

00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:42.699
yeah the emotion and the just what the guy's

00:39:42.699 --> 00:39:45.980
saying is is meaningful to me I was trying to

00:39:45.980 --> 00:39:48.139
think of another album i've ever listened to

00:39:48.139 --> 00:39:51.920
to start off with a six minute song And I was

00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.039
thinking like that's like that's a really um,

00:39:55.059 --> 00:39:57.800
like interesting and like bold way to start is

00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:02.769
like Here's here's six minutes. Um But I really

00:40:02.769 --> 00:40:04.929
liked that it didn't feel like, so when I first

00:40:04.929 --> 00:40:06.710
saw that this is going to be six minutes, I'm

00:40:06.710 --> 00:40:09.670
thinking, oh, man, I hope I don't hit like minute

00:40:09.670 --> 00:40:12.929
three or four. And, you know, like I said, worship

00:40:12.929 --> 00:40:16.429
music can sometimes be like repetitive. And I

00:40:16.429 --> 00:40:18.510
was like, man, I hope I'm not at minute four.

00:40:18.530 --> 00:40:20.670
And I'm like, I just have two minutes of the

00:40:20.670 --> 00:40:23.949
same thing. So I enjoyed this kind of a theme

00:40:23.949 --> 00:40:28.269
on this one is that none of the like songs, in

00:40:28.269 --> 00:40:32.389
my opinion, overstayed their welcome. I brought

00:40:32.389 --> 00:40:36.849
this up to Zach and I wanted to get y 'all's

00:40:36.849 --> 00:40:40.110
thoughts on this. So like a lot of music, I feel

00:40:40.110 --> 00:40:43.349
like, I don't know, pre 2010 or so had a lot

00:40:43.349 --> 00:40:45.650
of like interludes. So I was thinking like with

00:40:45.650 --> 00:40:47.809
this one, I'm used to a lot of tracks. It might

00:40:47.809 --> 00:40:50.530
be like the first minute, minute and a half would

00:40:50.530 --> 00:40:53.550
have been a intro track and then it goes into

00:40:53.550 --> 00:40:57.030
it. Do you feel like that's something that's

00:40:57.030 --> 00:40:59.610
cool or do you kind of feel like if you're just

00:40:59.610 --> 00:41:01.820
putting out the same music, It's kind of like,

00:41:01.900 --> 00:41:04.260
all right, man, are you just trying to, like,

00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:06.679
get two tracks out of this? Like, do you guys

00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:10.440
think that it improves or changes it if you have

00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:14.400
a minute, you know, intro? Or do you feel like

00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.500
it's fine just having the whole six minutes just

00:41:17.500 --> 00:41:22.139
there together on the track? Are you talking

00:41:22.139 --> 00:41:24.900
about a track that's named like an instrumental

00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:27.880
track that's an interlude or two minutes of a

00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.699
song being instrumental? Yeah, like how this

00:41:30.699 --> 00:41:33.500
song like if you would had right before he starts

00:41:33.500 --> 00:41:36.539
singing if you would had it be just like a A

00:41:36.539 --> 00:41:39.940
separate track. Yeah that I This feels like bait.

00:41:39.940 --> 00:41:41.840
I feel like you know, I hate that kind of thing.

00:41:42.099 --> 00:41:49.840
Oh, yeah I do feel very strongly about it. Oh,

00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:54.130
okay, and it's negative No, I don't want to I

00:41:54.130 --> 00:41:56.110
don't want to you know ruffle any feathers or

00:41:56.110 --> 00:41:58.369
anything But I feel like like unless you're doing

00:41:58.369 --> 00:42:00.590
something really cool with music that people

00:42:00.590 --> 00:42:02.630
haven't done like hey I'm here for to hear what

00:42:02.630 --> 00:42:05.090
you have like you need to say something. I am

00:42:05.090 --> 00:42:12.630
oh But that's just me I I don't know because

00:42:12.630 --> 00:42:17.489
I try not to listen to music in a digital sense

00:42:17.489 --> 00:42:20.829
if that makes sense and so like if I put a vinyl

00:42:20.829 --> 00:42:22.769
record on I don't know if it's a separate track

00:42:22.769 --> 00:42:26.670
or not yeah like it's all just there um and so

00:42:26.670 --> 00:42:28.809
I don't know that I have a lot of an opinion

00:42:28.809 --> 00:42:33.690
about like I guess in a digital age like it's

00:42:33.690 --> 00:42:35.630
nice to be able to skip past little things if

00:42:35.630 --> 00:42:39.789
you want to but I um yeah I don't have a strong

00:42:39.789 --> 00:42:42.449
opinion yeah like is it it was it was something

00:42:42.449 --> 00:42:45.449
I thought of um beforehand that I'm like oh if

00:42:45.449 --> 00:42:48.590
I wasn't into this but then also i was like i

00:42:48.590 --> 00:42:51.210
feel like it is kind of cheap because you know

00:42:51.210 --> 00:42:53.210
i feel like an intro track if you're doing something

00:42:53.210 --> 00:42:55.769
different like how the end is not the end it

00:42:55.769 --> 00:42:58.789
opens with these violins then it goes into something

00:42:58.789 --> 00:43:01.389
completely different i'm like oh that makes sense

00:43:01.389 --> 00:43:03.989
but with this one i was kind of i think i kind

00:43:03.989 --> 00:43:05.829
of fall into like the category of keith where

00:43:05.829 --> 00:43:07.829
i'm like it kind of feels like if you did that

00:43:07.829 --> 00:43:10.030
you're just kind of like cheating your way of

00:43:10.030 --> 00:43:12.590
look we got 14 tracks on this but we only have

00:43:12.590 --> 00:43:16.400
like nine songs you know on the album and so

00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.139
but that's an interesting thought all right what

00:43:20.139 --> 00:43:25.980
about track two son of god um i really like the

00:43:25.980 --> 00:43:29.019
lyrics i think on this one that kind of started

00:43:29.019 --> 00:43:31.119
shining through a little bit more that's when

00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.019
i kind of started like i said kind of comparing

00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:37.360
it to like a john van de zing or a fa peste where

00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:41.480
it's like oh this is just someone like going

00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.440
through here's what i'm going through not Someone

00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.139
was like we got to put out an album, you know

00:43:47.139 --> 00:43:50.440
I really like I like how it slows down a little

00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.760
bit for the chorus, too So I just enjoyed that

00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.739
it felt like and it's I feel like I'm gonna say

00:43:56.739 --> 00:43:59.579
a lot on here that That's the theme of this album

00:43:59.579 --> 00:44:02.320
or whatever that you know, each song doesn't

00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:05.360
just stay with Alright, we've got this one thing

00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.179
down. Let's just do this for the next three minutes

00:44:08.179 --> 00:44:12.130
and I feel like it just It just shows on an artist,

00:44:12.250 --> 00:44:14.269
like I said, it's not a, we just need to put

00:44:14.269 --> 00:44:18.230
this out, or how can I rush this out? It's I'm

00:44:18.230 --> 00:44:20.710
putting a lot of thought into this thing that

00:44:20.710 --> 00:44:23.530
I'm sending out into the world. That's good.

00:44:24.750 --> 00:44:29.510
I love the picking at the beginning. I love the

00:44:29.510 --> 00:44:32.230
guitar at the beginning of this song. So I guess

00:44:32.230 --> 00:44:34.090
yeah, that that's going to be probably the deepest

00:44:34.090 --> 00:44:37.949
thought of like instrumentation I had is like

00:44:37.949 --> 00:44:44.130
yeah me me love picking sound good Anything else

00:44:44.130 --> 00:44:46.969
about the song though? Oh, I mean, yeah, I just

00:44:46.969 --> 00:44:50.650
I like the Any anytime someone's brave enough

00:44:50.650 --> 00:44:54.909
in their album like or song or whatever to start

00:44:54.909 --> 00:44:56.849
talking about like specific things that were

00:44:56.849 --> 00:44:59.210
happening in the old testament because again

00:44:59.210 --> 00:45:03.449
that feels like something that, in a modern Christian

00:45:03.449 --> 00:45:07.769
age, we want to dance around a little bit. Like,

00:45:07.769 --> 00:45:10.070
if you get too deep in the Old Testament, then

00:45:10.070 --> 00:45:14.429
you have to answer some difficult questions to

00:45:14.429 --> 00:45:17.809
people, at least people who don't believe. And

00:45:17.809 --> 00:45:20.110
so, anytime someone's brave enough to, like,

00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.900
take inspiration for their art from that, I'm

00:45:23.900 --> 00:45:27.639
impressed and I enjoy it. And again, just we

00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:31.900
go from a song of humility, like I can't go by

00:45:31.900 --> 00:45:34.820
myself and I won't go by myself, and then a reminder

00:45:34.820 --> 00:45:38.300
of the great things God has done to bolster,

00:45:38.300 --> 00:45:40.099
I guess, your confidence in the person you're

00:45:40.099 --> 00:45:43.500
serving, the God you're serving. It just, it

00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:48.159
hits good for me. Yeah, I like this one a lot.

00:45:48.929 --> 00:45:51.989
Keith, I'm with you. I like the guitar picking

00:45:51.989 --> 00:45:54.289
at the beginning. I thought that was really cool.

00:45:54.889 --> 00:45:56.949
It just creates a really good texture for the

00:45:56.949 --> 00:46:00.769
song. And the lyrics, I think, yeah, I'm with

00:46:00.769 --> 00:46:04.929
you guys both on that. I think that it felt like

00:46:04.929 --> 00:46:07.650
a worship song, but there's way more depth and

00:46:07.650 --> 00:46:09.969
creativity than we get out of worship music.

00:46:10.539 --> 00:46:12.639
um in a cool way and then there's a point in

00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.860
the song where this like synth hits in and i'm

00:46:15.860 --> 00:46:19.840
like oh yeah that's really good i'm here for

00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.139
that and so um i love that i thought the song

00:46:23.139 --> 00:46:26.420
ended really strong and um yeah i thought it

00:46:26.420 --> 00:46:31.019
was really great uh next up we have god b um

00:46:31.019 --> 00:46:34.579
keith what are your thoughts on this one that

00:46:34.579 --> 00:46:42.329
one um Again, my... To remember specifically,

00:46:42.429 --> 00:46:44.730
I listened through it several times on the way,

00:46:45.170 --> 00:46:48.130
you know, on the way through the week, and that

00:46:48.130 --> 00:46:52.349
one I like a lot. It is... I mean, I like all

00:46:52.349 --> 00:46:54.269
the songs on the album. It doesn't stick with

00:46:54.269 --> 00:46:58.949
me kind of like a son of God or how to be yours,

00:46:59.269 --> 00:47:03.789
but again, a pleading for God to be something

00:47:03.789 --> 00:47:08.610
for you. It's... Like I'm gonna be a broken record

00:47:08.610 --> 00:47:11.789
like this this album is meaningful to me. So

00:47:11.789 --> 00:47:15.849
the songs on it You know evoke an emotion that

00:47:15.849 --> 00:47:19.690
just sticks with me But yeah, I'm interested

00:47:19.690 --> 00:47:21.190
to hear what you guys have to say about this

00:47:21.190 --> 00:47:23.909
one because I don't feel extremely strongly about

00:47:23.909 --> 00:47:27.590
it Yeah, sometimes that's why I enjoy there's

00:47:27.590 --> 00:47:29.739
certain tracks on here where I'm like I need

00:47:29.739 --> 00:47:31.579
Keith or Joel to talk before I start talking

00:47:31.579 --> 00:47:33.199
that way. I can be like, yeah, let me piggyback

00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.579
off of what they're saying. Well, I will talk

00:47:36.579 --> 00:47:40.059
and then you can piggyback. Um, I, I really liked

00:47:40.059 --> 00:47:44.179
this song. In fact, I think it might be one of

00:47:44.179 --> 00:47:47.320
my favorite songs on the record. Um, maybe my

00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.579
favorite, maybe my favorite, I don't know. Um,

00:47:50.780 --> 00:47:53.340
the, so part of that's probably because it's

00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:56.780
like a take on the him be that my vision, um,

00:47:56.780 --> 00:48:00.760
which is. I think my favorite him and so i'm

00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:02.699
i'm a little like bought in already because of

00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:05.420
that It is one of the greats for sure. Yeah,

00:48:05.420 --> 00:48:08.940
so good and um, but I think just musically I

00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:11.139
really like stuff that's going on. It reminded

00:48:11.139 --> 00:48:15.019
me in places of um of like ryan adams and his

00:48:15.019 --> 00:48:18.719
music Who has been in the past one of my favorite

00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:22.159
singer songwriters? Um, there's a piano line

00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:26.219
that is really creative and cool when The guitars

00:48:26.219 --> 00:48:28.659
and everything's kicking in like the guitar work

00:48:28.659 --> 00:48:32.059
playing off of the piano Is really neat. I just

00:48:32.059 --> 00:48:35.099
think it all works really well and I love the

00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:38.840
lyrics Um, yeah, I really really like that song

00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:43.619
Yeah, I I think this one. Um, it was either maybe

00:48:43.619 --> 00:48:48.599
like tied for my favorite or maybe um like 1a

00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.840
1b with my favorite, um, I think at this point

00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:54.539
in the album. I was just really enjoying that

00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.519
each track had kind of been its own thing. And

00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:03.039
I always say that whenever someone brings a record,

00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:05.400
I'm always like, man, I hope this is not the

00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.820
record that comes along that I have to think,

00:49:08.099 --> 00:49:09.800
oh man, all these tracks have been garbage. I

00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:13.119
gotta find something good to say. And I appreciate

00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:18.480
whenever an album is making it super easy to

00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.960
be enjoying it. That I don't find myself having

00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:25.610
to pause it and think, okay, well let me cameclator,

00:49:25.610 --> 00:49:27.730
you know, after I've recharged or something.

00:49:28.869 --> 00:49:33.210
I was enjoying that it kept on like, okay, this

00:49:33.210 --> 00:49:37.369
is different from what would have been served

00:49:37.369 --> 00:49:39.789
previously. Yeah, I think that's a good reminder

00:49:39.789 --> 00:49:44.510
to us that I think Christian music takes a lot

00:49:44.510 --> 00:49:49.190
of flak for not being creative and not being

00:49:49.190 --> 00:49:53.309
interesting and not being good. But the truth

00:49:53.309 --> 00:49:55.929
is there's such a wealth of great stuff out there

00:49:55.929 --> 00:49:59.150
that I've never been exposed to. And so I'm being

00:49:59.150 --> 00:50:01.329
able to have conversations about albums like

00:50:01.329 --> 00:50:04.070
this that I've never listened to before. It's

00:50:04.070 --> 00:50:06.710
just a reminder to me of like how much good stuff

00:50:06.710 --> 00:50:09.030
there actually is that's out there that kind

00:50:09.030 --> 00:50:12.550
of combats the idea that it's all just inherently

00:50:12.550 --> 00:50:15.269
bad and a copycat of what else is out there.

00:50:16.030 --> 00:50:21.199
Yeah. What about go ahead no, I was no, please

00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:26.519
I Would love to hear your thought I was just

00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:28.679
I was thinking as you were speak talking about

00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:32.099
that is that like if you really think about the

00:50:32.099 --> 00:50:36.239
the the depth of Material that Christian music

00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:38.739
has like it takes a lot of flack like exactly

00:50:38.739 --> 00:50:41.780
like you said not being creative But like it

00:50:41.780 --> 00:50:44.260
seems like any time there's really authentic

00:50:44.260 --> 00:50:47.900
Christian music like someone who's writing Through

00:50:47.900 --> 00:50:50.599
inspiration that they have from their relationship

00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.340
with god like it it it shines through like just

00:50:53.340 --> 00:50:56.960
anytime you legitimately Pull from that relationship.

00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:00.280
It usually works out and just to think that like,

00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.940
you know people think of well secular, you know

00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:05.780
secular music is Where the art really happens

00:51:05.780 --> 00:51:09.219
like it honestly should be the opposite Considering

00:51:09.219 --> 00:51:12.699
like a secular artist like I have my life. I

00:51:12.699 --> 00:51:17.139
have you know, whatever to pull To pull my inspiration

00:51:17.139 --> 00:51:19.760
from but if you're a christian with a deep knowledge

00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.139
of scripture like you have thousands and thousands

00:51:22.139 --> 00:51:24.179
of years from the creation of the universe of

00:51:24.179 --> 00:51:28.860
stuff that you can write about so Like if we

00:51:28.860 --> 00:51:31.679
would just tap into that if we would it would

00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.340
Christian art would be the art and for a long

00:51:34.340 --> 00:51:37.840
time it was yeah Yeah, we didn't we didn't miss

00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.360
out on that for a while. So I think that's such

00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.260
a good point All right. Track four is adonai

00:51:45.130 --> 00:51:48.090
What do we think about adenine? I think for me

00:51:48.090 --> 00:51:51.050
this was the first like maybe miss on the record.

00:51:51.670 --> 00:51:55.329
Um, how did I know you were gonna say that? Usually

00:51:55.329 --> 00:51:57.969
what happens is I say this and then someone else's

00:51:57.969 --> 00:51:59.409
keith's like this is the song that changed my

00:51:59.409 --> 00:52:02.489
life brandon, uh But I do really like it, but

00:52:02.489 --> 00:52:06.150
i'm i'm i'm interested. Yeah I felt like it wasn't

00:52:06.150 --> 00:52:08.670
like there was nothing that was like this is

00:52:08.670 --> 00:52:13.530
like bad. I think it was just um Like the other

00:52:13.530 --> 00:52:17.469
three tracks were this oh, this is something

00:52:17.469 --> 00:52:20.449
new like I wasn't expecting but I think this

00:52:20.449 --> 00:52:25.949
one fell more into Like I don't like we've talked

00:52:25.949 --> 00:52:28.130
before whenever Joel does his rankings for an

00:52:28.130 --> 00:52:30.590
album He's like each song gets its own ranking.

00:52:30.590 --> 00:52:32.570
Whereas for me usually at the end. I'm just like

00:52:32.570 --> 00:52:37.050
here's a random number and I think if I was to

00:52:37.050 --> 00:52:40.760
rank this it's not like it's like a One or something.

00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:43.760
It's more of like a two and a half or three.

00:52:43.820 --> 00:52:46.760
That's kind of just like okay, like it's it's

00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:51.000
good but like I don't feel like I'm gonna like

00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.639
Revisit it or that I'm not gonna just like talk

00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:58.460
as much about the other ones so Keith what do

00:52:58.460 --> 00:53:01.940
you have to say to that? Um, I don't disagree.

00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:03.500
I mean, we're talking about matters of taste

00:53:03.500 --> 00:53:05.699
here I don't like like we've talked about like

00:53:05.699 --> 00:53:08.019
I I do not have the science to tell you that

00:53:08.019 --> 00:53:10.960
this is a good song Versus like you should feel

00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.320
differently. Um, it feels kind of like a psalm

00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.900
to me I guess it's a little bit activated by

00:53:15.900 --> 00:53:20.460
the the outright use of adonai um, but I uh,

00:53:20.539 --> 00:53:23.320
it just it it has the spirit of a psalm to me

00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:29.070
as the spirit of of david post -bashiba or whatever,

00:53:29.070 --> 00:53:33.170
you know, whatever sin issue you've got, realizing

00:53:33.170 --> 00:53:36.329
like, I need mercy. I don't have a... I can't

00:53:36.329 --> 00:53:38.269
write a poem about the mercy I need right now.

00:53:38.309 --> 00:53:40.809
I just feel like I'm gonna... I feel like I'm

00:53:40.809 --> 00:53:45.230
being squashed by a bug and I need help. And

00:53:45.230 --> 00:53:47.869
so I like it. It's one that I rarely skip when

00:53:47.869 --> 00:53:53.190
it comes on in the car. But Joel, since you mentioned

00:53:53.190 --> 00:53:57.010
the bridge that comes through and then... Like

00:53:57.010 --> 00:53:59.449
the restraint like it doesn't it doesn't shoot

00:53:59.449 --> 00:54:02.190
up. He does that again in this song Yeah, so

00:54:02.190 --> 00:54:04.349
it feels like he that's something that he likes

00:54:04.349 --> 00:54:06.969
to do I think because instead of like when he's

00:54:06.969 --> 00:54:08.909
talking about I've got nothing you you could

00:54:08.909 --> 00:54:11.150
you could blow it up at the end of that but he

00:54:11.150 --> 00:54:16.150
just like Let's that fizzle out again Which here

00:54:16.150 --> 00:54:18.789
or there I don't know if I feel one way or another

00:54:18.789 --> 00:54:20.849
about it, but I know I like it like the song

00:54:21.019 --> 00:54:24.019
He does an interesting thing a lot on this record

00:54:24.019 --> 00:54:26.679
actually where like the big moments are more

00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:30.320
instrumental moments A lot of times than like

00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:34.579
with him actually like singing um, and I think

00:54:34.579 --> 00:54:37.519
that's true on this one because he's got that

00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.420
point in this song where He says like i've got

00:54:40.420 --> 00:54:43.059
nothing and then you have like a big hit hit

00:54:43.059 --> 00:54:46.179
in with the music and i'm like man I thought

00:54:46.179 --> 00:54:49.460
I thought that was that was really cool and I

00:54:49.460 --> 00:54:51.500
wrote in my notes like that moment took it up

00:54:51.500 --> 00:54:57.219
a whole point. And this is one of the more like

00:54:57.219 --> 00:55:01.539
simple songs on the record and a little more

00:55:01.539 --> 00:55:04.300
chill and so I that's why I kind of felt like

00:55:04.300 --> 00:55:06.420
I knew where you were gonna like sit with it

00:55:06.420 --> 00:55:12.820
but yeah I still really enjoyed it. I was beginning

00:55:12.820 --> 00:55:16.079
to notice a trend I think at this point though

00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:20.000
of I feel like his songwriting and I don't know

00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.280
any of the rest of his music but I feel like

00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.599
his songwriting does take like a path and a lot

00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:29.440
of the songs do similar like structural things

00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:34.599
along the way and and so and I really like the

00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:38.079
path I'll talk more about it in a minute but

00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:41.440
I think like sometimes it can be like if it's

00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:44.239
if the same path is taken like over and over

00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:47.409
again Then I think there's good creativity and

00:55:47.409 --> 00:55:50.610
like changing the path a little bit. So But a

00:55:50.610 --> 00:55:53.809
lot of them do sound similar as you say that

00:55:53.809 --> 00:55:56.730
yeah, they the structure is very like And then

00:55:56.730 --> 00:55:59.050
note finding out like oh, this is my first album

00:55:59.050 --> 00:56:01.949
that i'm producing myself Like you kind of understand

00:56:01.949 --> 00:56:04.210
where that comes from. Yeah, it's like yeah i'm

00:56:04.210 --> 00:56:07.349
finding my way a little bit Yeah for sure. Um,

00:56:07.449 --> 00:56:09.949
and and that's to say again like I actually really

00:56:09.949 --> 00:56:11.869
like the path and I think it's cool I like the

00:56:11.869 --> 00:56:14.389
structure of the songs and what he does there's

00:56:14.389 --> 00:56:17.769
a thing that happens of like the first half of

00:56:17.769 --> 00:56:21.929
the song is pretty chill and pretty simple and

00:56:21.929 --> 00:56:24.289
then somewhere about halfway in like the instruments

00:56:24.289 --> 00:56:26.369
kick in and then there's a bridge that builds

00:56:26.369 --> 00:56:30.210
up and then it drops down again but I think I

00:56:30.210 --> 00:56:34.400
think it works really well But I also got the

00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:36.539
sense and I think it's true that he wrote a lot

00:56:36.539 --> 00:56:39.400
of these songs And they were all like singles

00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:41.699
or whatever it may be and then he kind of put

00:56:41.699 --> 00:56:44.280
them together as a record And I think that you

00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:47.400
get more of that sometimes when you take Songs

00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:49.119
that you're writing and just compile them on

00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:51.219
an album versus you're like thinking about writing

00:56:51.219 --> 00:56:53.300
an album So maybe that's part of part of what

00:56:53.300 --> 00:56:58.400
leads to it. So yeah next track is fountain Joel,

00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.280
how do you feel about the fountain? Fountain

00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:04.480
I think is Probably my other favorite song on

00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:10.280
the record up there with God be. I like it. It

00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.139
has a different pace than like the rest, the

00:57:13.139 --> 00:57:18.639
rest of the record. And so I like that it's,

00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:21.480
yeah, it just seems, it seems fun. I like the

00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:26.500
lyrics. There was a line in there that garden

00:57:26.500 --> 00:57:29.690
snakes lies be unmade. And I'm just like, it's

00:57:29.690 --> 00:57:33.190
a great line. It's simple, but it's really good.

00:57:34.889 --> 00:57:37.710
I thought the crashes in on the bridge were cool

00:57:37.710 --> 00:57:42.170
that were happening. I'm a sucker for like a

00:57:42.170 --> 00:57:45.190
good bridge on a song. And he's another great

00:57:45.190 --> 00:57:48.170
example of just the bridges are always so good.

00:57:49.070 --> 00:57:52.210
And the bridge on this song is so good. And the

00:57:52.210 --> 00:57:55.340
last chorus on this one ends. really big and

00:57:55.340 --> 00:57:57.739
I love that because I love big I love big moments

00:57:57.739 --> 00:58:02.519
and quiet moments and he I think he's probably

00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:04.980
a really big fan of big moments and quiet moments

00:58:04.980 --> 00:58:07.920
too because I feel like that those are the extremes

00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:11.760
that he tends to hang out in verses in the middle

00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:15.380
and so I did just have one note though sometimes

00:58:15.380 --> 00:58:18.340
I wish like on these big moments that he's building

00:58:18.340 --> 00:58:21.960
and it's probably I don't know if it's an ability

00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.659
thing or what but Sometimes I wish when he was

00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:27.619
going up vocally then he wouldn't like always

00:58:27.619 --> 00:58:30.659
slip into his falsetto But would go up in his

00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:32.940
natural voice and I feel like they would carry

00:58:32.940 --> 00:58:36.179
a little more weight and energy But that was

00:58:36.179 --> 00:58:40.309
my only my only Note about this song. I really

00:58:40.309 --> 00:58:43.409
really like this one a lot It may be an ability

00:58:43.409 --> 00:58:46.210
thing because as you say that too that that's

00:58:46.210 --> 00:58:48.610
a pattern that I don't think i've identified

00:58:48.610 --> 00:58:51.670
but as you say it it seems Like yeah, I don't

00:58:51.670 --> 00:58:53.750
I don't know if he's yeah, I don't know of any

00:58:53.750 --> 00:58:56.750
song where he really And i've listened to I think

00:58:56.750 --> 00:59:00.389
everything he's got out um where he really Like

00:59:00.389 --> 00:59:03.909
lets it really goes high right instead of the

00:59:03.909 --> 00:59:07.480
the falsetto stuff But I will say this is my

00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:10.360
if I had to pass on one song on the album. This

00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:22.079
would probably be it I don't know why that is

00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:28.159
I think I don't know. I very much I err on this

00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:32.320
the I probably err on the side of a pessimistic

00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:36.699
side of life sometimes, and that's one thing

00:59:36.699 --> 00:59:39.900
that God has been working on me with a lot, I

00:59:39.900 --> 00:59:45.699
think, is that scripture tells us like, Arrogance

00:59:45.699 --> 00:59:47.980
is not the goal, but we can be confident. We

00:59:47.980 --> 00:59:51.199
can be confident in God's love for us and what

00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:54.440
He has for us and what He wants for us, but I

00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:56.880
just I very much struggle personally with my

00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:03.420
own sin and feeling. worthy in the Again, we're

01:00:03.420 --> 01:00:07.119
not worthy worthy but like Feeling that the worthiness

01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:09.900
that grace brings us and so for some reason I

01:00:09.900 --> 01:00:13.219
find it a lot of times hard to identify with

01:00:13.219 --> 01:00:15.579
songs where there is a fountain building up a

01:00:15.579 --> 01:00:18.260
view of like this joy that's like If there's

01:00:18.260 --> 01:00:20.579
one thing that I that my flesh will do it will

01:00:20.579 --> 01:00:23.940
quench my joy for sure And so I struggle with

01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:26.579
that, but I do like the song and it's it's helpful

01:00:26.579 --> 01:00:30.159
for me in finding that but I feel a lot more

01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:34.179
at home in uh I guess identifying my humility

01:00:34.179 --> 01:00:39.300
I don't know yeah um I really enjoyed the intro

01:00:39.300 --> 01:00:44.159
um and I just I enjoyed like the the builds to

01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:47.179
it I feel like there's a lot of like passion

01:00:47.179 --> 01:00:51.659
and emotion that shines through um and I I don't

01:00:51.659 --> 01:00:54.579
think it's maybe necessarily like this track

01:00:54.579 --> 01:00:57.719
that like is doing something other ones aren't

01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:01.090
but I think it's just kind of continuing um like

01:01:01.090 --> 01:01:05.449
i just go back to it feels like it's not someone

01:01:05.449 --> 01:01:07.710
wrote this song and gave it to him it's that

01:01:07.710 --> 01:01:10.769
he's like it feels like he's just putting words

01:01:10.769 --> 01:01:16.150
to like his uh his like thoughts and all um and

01:01:16.150 --> 01:01:18.989
i mean i guess like you know since this is all

01:01:18.989 --> 01:01:22.469
i've listened to like i i assume keith you've

01:01:22.469 --> 01:01:24.469
listened to like some of his like newer stuff

01:01:25.110 --> 01:01:27.610
But you kind of feel like that's a pattern that

01:01:27.610 --> 01:01:29.949
he has continued, that it feels as though it's

01:01:29.949 --> 01:01:33.789
just, I'm pouring my heart out. I'd recommend,

01:01:33.809 --> 01:01:37.010
if you wanted to listen to more, like, that song

01:01:37.010 --> 01:01:40.289
I mentioned earlier, it's called Seventeen. I

01:01:40.289 --> 01:01:42.349
identify with that one a lot, but yeah, it just,

01:01:42.710 --> 01:01:44.690
it seems like everything that he's got, that

01:01:44.690 --> 01:01:47.610
I've listened to, is very much that, that's why

01:01:47.610 --> 01:01:49.769
I like your term of journal worship, because

01:01:49.769 --> 01:01:56.190
it does feel that way. Alright, what about track

01:01:56.190 --> 01:01:59.610
six how to be yours? This is like the big song

01:01:59.610 --> 01:02:03.550
on the record, right? Yeah, I guess I'm a I feel

01:02:03.550 --> 01:02:05.650
feel bad that that's the biggest one and it's

01:02:05.650 --> 01:02:08.170
also my favorite but it is it is my favorite

01:02:08.170 --> 01:02:11.610
my favorite and it just and it's again because

01:02:11.610 --> 01:02:14.929
of the message isn't it like What just like Paul

01:02:14.929 --> 01:02:18.130
like I do things I don't want to do I don't do

01:02:18.130 --> 01:02:21.389
the things I want to do Like you you would think

01:02:21.389 --> 01:02:25.230
being a converted follower of Christ for however

01:02:25.230 --> 01:02:28.349
long any of us have been, whether it's been 10,

01:02:28.349 --> 01:02:31.809
20, 30 years or less, like, you would think that

01:02:31.809 --> 01:02:35.610
you would get it. You'd think that I would eventually

01:02:35.610 --> 01:02:39.630
land somewhere where I do right and I don't do

01:02:39.630 --> 01:02:44.090
wrong, but I still do wrong, and I still, a lot

01:02:44.090 --> 01:02:47.030
of times, I don't feel like I know how to be

01:02:47.030 --> 01:02:52.619
God's. And I just, that message hits home. I

01:02:52.619 --> 01:02:57.300
feel like one thing I appreciated was that I

01:02:57.300 --> 01:03:02.139
think a lot of times in like, I think music in

01:03:02.139 --> 01:03:04.099
general like this can happen, but a lot of times

01:03:04.099 --> 01:03:06.179
like in Christian songs is that the first verse

01:03:06.179 --> 01:03:09.599
sets up this like, things are really bad. But

01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:11.519
then by the time the chorus rolls around, it's

01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:14.340
already like, hey, but wink wink, I know that

01:03:14.340 --> 01:03:16.079
God's gonna like pull me out of this. And then

01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.320
by second verse, you're like, okay, I'm back

01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.900
on the like the men's or whatever. and I like

01:03:21.900 --> 01:03:25.000
songs that just like it's it's such a process

01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:27.000
and that's what it feels like in here it's like

01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:30.500
by the end of the song it's not man I'm I'm struggling

01:03:30.500 --> 01:03:34.539
but now I'm you know like you know it's just

01:03:34.539 --> 01:03:36.219
I don't know it's just visual that it's like

01:03:36.219 --> 01:03:39.280
I walked into church and I was like by the end

01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:42.260
of the first song I'm on stage you know like

01:03:42.260 --> 01:03:44.599
praising or something like this feels more like

01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:48.500
a yeah I'm gonna go through a while before I

01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:51.909
reach the point that like I need to be, or you

01:03:51.909 --> 01:03:56.710
want me to be, or whatever. And I think that

01:03:56.710 --> 01:03:59.469
Keith keeps talking about that it just feels

01:03:59.469 --> 01:04:03.869
like it's a very relatable album. I imagine there's

01:04:03.869 --> 01:04:06.389
a lot of people that are fans of his that feel

01:04:06.389 --> 01:04:10.030
as though, how did you know what I was thinking?

01:04:12.030 --> 01:04:16.190
And I think that's really cool in an artist,

01:04:16.269 --> 01:04:20.219
because I think of the stuff we've reviewed or

01:04:20.219 --> 01:04:23.300
just even our past that was such a presence as

01:04:23.300 --> 01:04:26.179
whenever i found artists back in you know high

01:04:26.179 --> 01:04:29.159
school or whether it's now that i'm just like

01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:32.239
this this is what i'm thinking like this person

01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:35.840
i feel like i'm i'm not alone in this like journey

01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:39.539
i'm on um and i think that's just something that's

01:04:39.539 --> 01:04:42.960
really shining through on the album yeah i definitely

01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:47.469
love the lyrics excuse me on this one um And

01:04:47.469 --> 01:04:49.949
I feel like, Keith, you can really tell me if

01:04:49.949 --> 01:04:53.050
I'm right. But like some of the song is is basically

01:04:53.050 --> 01:04:55.949
like from him singing to the Lord. But then some

01:04:55.949 --> 01:04:58.889
of it is like basically God singing back to him.

01:04:58.889 --> 01:05:02.949
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I love that part about

01:05:02.949 --> 01:05:07.889
it, that there's a similarity, but like still

01:05:07.889 --> 01:05:11.130
a commitment on both parts of I'm not walking

01:05:11.130 --> 01:05:14.469
out on you. And I thought that was cool. even

01:05:14.469 --> 01:05:16.110
though we're still learning and figuring out

01:05:16.110 --> 01:05:19.889
what it looks like to belong to Jesus. And so,

01:05:20.150 --> 01:05:23.389
I mean, I like this song. Yeah, it's a nice,

01:05:23.469 --> 01:05:29.750
simple piano melody. It's more like a lot more

01:05:29.750 --> 01:05:32.989
repetitive lyrically than like his other songs,

01:05:33.030 --> 01:05:36.550
but I think that makes sense then why this became

01:05:36.550 --> 01:05:40.289
like a hit for him, even though, you know, probably

01:05:40.289 --> 01:05:42.530
was not like a K -Love hit. It was like a hit.

01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:48.079
nonetheless. And so yeah, yeah, I enjoyed it.

01:05:48.139 --> 01:05:52.420
I thought it was good. On the Banks, what are

01:05:52.420 --> 01:05:56.380
you getting from the Banks, Keith? I like On

01:05:56.380 --> 01:05:58.820
the Banks. That's another one of those Old Testament,

01:05:58.820 --> 01:06:03.340
you know, reminders of things that have happened.

01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:10.050
I like the idea, you know, when Joshua crossed

01:06:10.050 --> 01:06:14.789
the Jordan into the promised land with all the

01:06:14.789 --> 01:06:19.110
Israelite homeboys and homegirls, they set up

01:06:19.110 --> 01:06:22.369
monuments to remember what God had done for them.

01:06:23.429 --> 01:06:26.150
And even though we're thousands and thousands

01:06:26.150 --> 01:06:29.250
of years hence, God still, you know, we're spiritually

01:06:29.250 --> 01:06:34.030
Israel, so God did those things for us. And any

01:06:34.030 --> 01:06:37.409
reminder of that? in lyrical and musical form

01:06:37.409 --> 01:06:42.969
usually gets me, and this one has done that.

01:06:42.989 --> 01:06:44.789
Now there's, and of course we move into the New

01:06:44.789 --> 01:06:46.070
Testament a little bit, I think, on this one

01:06:46.070 --> 01:06:50.789
too, but just the idea in the presence of the

01:06:50.789 --> 01:06:55.130
Jordan River symbolism, all that in our faith,

01:06:55.710 --> 01:06:58.730
I just, I like it. I like what the dude writes

01:06:58.730 --> 01:07:03.199
down. I'm a big fan. thought this one was a really

01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:06.219
good shift just musically like it's a little

01:07:06.219 --> 01:07:12.500
a little bluesy a little rootsy kind of at points

01:07:12.500 --> 01:07:15.059
reminded me of like need to breathe or something

01:07:15.059 --> 01:07:20.360
but but yeah I love the lyrics that line children

01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:22.280
wade in the water because God's gonna trouble

01:07:22.280 --> 01:07:27.809
the water mm -hmm I thought that was great and

01:07:27.809 --> 01:07:31.170
um there's a guitar solo which is really cool

01:07:31.170 --> 01:07:35.269
um it just fits it fits the style of the song

01:07:35.269 --> 01:07:39.690
really well um and so uh and i love the like

01:07:39.690 --> 01:07:42.010
pianos like the lead kind of instrument on this

01:07:42.010 --> 01:07:45.050
one so yeah it was fun i liked it i think all

01:07:45.050 --> 01:07:48.150
all around this is my favorite track on the album

01:07:48.570 --> 01:07:52.369
I just really like the choir, the backing voices,

01:07:52.590 --> 01:07:56.250
vocals, whatever. It's another long track that

01:07:56.250 --> 01:07:59.429
doesn't overstay its welcome. I don't find myself

01:07:59.429 --> 01:08:02.030
thinking this could have ended two minutes ago

01:08:02.030 --> 01:08:06.610
and I would have been fine. I think my only complaint,

01:08:07.670 --> 01:08:10.190
and I guess going into the next, the final track

01:08:10.190 --> 01:08:13.739
found, you guys can... Agree or disagree or give

01:08:13.739 --> 01:08:16.779
me your thoughts I think this should have been

01:08:16.779 --> 01:08:22.000
the ending of the album and I say not cutting

01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:25.640
off found but I think I Wish they would have

01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:28.439
like swap them like it would have been found

01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:32.100
Because I think thinking of like a live concert

01:08:32.100 --> 01:08:36.159
I feel like this is a great song to like end

01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:40.800
on and like found kind of gives it a like intro

01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:44.359
to it Um, which I mean, you know, like you had

01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:47.079
brought up that, um, you were saying that like

01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:49.760
a lot of the tracks were like singles or whatever.

01:08:50.140 --> 01:08:52.640
So I kind of want to get your y 'all's thoughts

01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:55.800
on, you know, did you, do you feel like that

01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:58.600
was a good one or did you feel like found was

01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:02.279
a better like ending or do you kind of feel like

01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:05.100
Brandon be quiet? He did what he did. I do want

01:09:05.100 --> 01:09:09.760
to talk about found, but not yet because we skipped

01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:12.979
the song. Not yet. Oh, we did suspicious. We

01:09:12.979 --> 01:09:19.420
like seven. Yeah, I think I skipped it too So

01:09:19.420 --> 01:09:22.000
i've never even heard this song brandon doesn't

01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.619
have anything to say about not yet i'm gonna

01:09:24.619 --> 01:09:28.800
be quiet now Keith what do what do you think

01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:33.920
about not yet? Um, not yet. I like it's not it's

01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:36.340
another one of those that I can kind of take

01:09:36.340 --> 01:09:43.210
or leave um, I think it's got some of the least

01:09:43.210 --> 01:09:46.510
-on -your -face lyrics of the song, like, I'm

01:09:46.510 --> 01:09:49.609
a son of coal, I'm a daughter of tar. Like, what

01:09:49.609 --> 01:09:52.369
does that mean? I don't really know. Anytime

01:09:52.369 --> 01:09:56.229
men when they're singing, yeah, they personify

01:09:56.229 --> 01:09:58.909
themselves as, like, daughters or whatever, but,

01:09:58.949 --> 01:10:01.430
I mean, we have that in Scripture, too. Like,

01:10:01.430 --> 01:10:03.390
we're the bride of Christ, so maybe there's something

01:10:03.390 --> 01:10:07.289
with that. But I do think the lyrics are some...

01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:10.739
At least maybe his densest as far as the meaning

01:10:10.739 --> 01:10:14.199
in there um, so it's a song I like I also rarely

01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:18.060
skip that one just because of He uh, he hits

01:10:18.060 --> 01:10:20.560
some long notes in that one, too So it's fun

01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:24.420
to try to keep up with in the car, but um Beyond

01:10:24.420 --> 01:10:26.619
what i've said, I don't have any huge strong

01:10:26.619 --> 01:10:29.039
opinions on that one. Yeah I don't have a probably

01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:32.640
a time to say either. Uh I did write down next

01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:35.239
to it doctrine of man because I felt like this

01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:39.029
is this is a song about that about who we are,

01:10:39.229 --> 01:10:44.649
who were created and then sin creeping in. I

01:10:44.649 --> 01:10:46.569
feel like a good rhythm. I like it when it kicked

01:10:46.569 --> 01:10:50.689
in. This is when I wrote down the notes. The

01:10:50.689 --> 01:10:52.670
songs are all really good, but they tend to the

01:10:52.670 --> 01:10:55.550
same kind of structure. I think it was at this

01:10:55.550 --> 01:10:57.289
point in the album where I was like, all right,

01:10:57.409 --> 01:11:01.050
we're kind of keeping doing the same thing. And

01:11:01.050 --> 01:11:04.130
it's a good thing. I like it. But but it definitely

01:11:04.130 --> 01:11:07.500
tends to work together. So Brandon that then

01:11:07.500 --> 01:11:12.720
takes us into your discussion on found and then

01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:16.340
which of those tracks like work better as an

01:11:16.340 --> 01:11:20.619
ending I think that you naturally tend to not

01:11:20.619 --> 01:11:23.880
like quiet songs at the end of a record And I

01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:27.659
don't know so much that that's true for me I

01:11:27.659 --> 01:11:31.310
can enjoy a big song at that end of an album,

01:11:31.310 --> 01:11:33.909
but I can just as much, I think, enjoy like a

01:11:33.909 --> 01:11:38.369
simple one. And I think what worked for me on

01:11:38.369 --> 01:11:42.229
found being the last track is that it was the

01:11:42.229 --> 01:11:46.050
most simple song on the record that it actually

01:11:46.050 --> 01:11:48.989
stood out differently. It never like musically

01:11:48.989 --> 01:11:52.729
like went anywhere, but it stayed simple and

01:11:52.729 --> 01:11:55.989
it kind of breaks the mold of the record in a

01:11:55.989 --> 01:11:59.550
way. I think that like makes it work. as the

01:11:59.550 --> 01:12:03.270
last track plus it's like it's a song that's

01:12:03.270 --> 01:12:07.390
like pointing um to the end of time and the end

01:12:07.390 --> 01:12:10.229
of life and so I felt like it worked really well

01:12:10.229 --> 01:12:12.489
as the end of the record just like thematically

01:12:12.489 --> 01:12:17.149
um as well but yeah that's kind of me I liked

01:12:17.149 --> 01:12:21.010
it yeah I tend I tend to agree there um what

01:12:21.010 --> 01:12:24.310
you said too about because I the history of the

01:12:24.310 --> 01:12:27.250
album I didn't know a whole lot but The way people

01:12:27.250 --> 01:12:29.149
tend to make music or at least like the singer

01:12:29.149 --> 01:12:31.449
songwriter folks nowadays it's like i'm gonna

01:12:31.449 --> 01:12:33.829
make a hundred singles and i'm gonna release

01:12:33.829 --> 01:12:36.529
them all on tiktok or whatever and i'll wait

01:12:36.529 --> 01:12:38.689
till a hook hits and then i'll milk that hook

01:12:38.689 --> 01:12:41.010
for like six months and then release the song

01:12:41.010 --> 01:12:43.310
And then maybe once I get enough i'll put them

01:12:43.310 --> 01:12:47.229
together as an album So I agree that if you had

01:12:47.229 --> 01:12:49.930
a bunch of kind of disparate songs that all had

01:12:49.930 --> 01:12:52.310
a similar theme Like maybe it seems like he's

01:12:52.310 --> 01:12:55.369
got here Uh, this one does feel like a good ending

01:12:55.520 --> 01:13:01.500
Because I too am fine whenever the lights get

01:13:01.500 --> 01:13:05.060
turned down. It's like, hey, let's get real here

01:13:05.060 --> 01:13:09.340
for a minute before you all go home. I can appreciate

01:13:09.340 --> 01:13:15.220
that. All right, those are our thoughts, Brandon.

01:13:15.730 --> 01:13:21.529
Tell us what you think. Yeah, I can't. I like

01:13:21.529 --> 01:13:25.149
the song. I think that was just my only thought

01:13:25.149 --> 01:13:27.890
is listening. Like I said, it was it was simple.

01:13:27.890 --> 01:13:32.250
It was good. And I found myself just thinking

01:13:32.250 --> 01:13:35.569
like, oh, I wish it would have been, you know,

01:13:35.649 --> 01:13:38.329
swapped with this. But I think maybe that just

01:13:38.329 --> 01:13:41.050
like you like I've said, it comes from a oh,

01:13:41.109 --> 01:13:44.029
this is a concert. This is what I want it to

01:13:44.029 --> 01:13:50.989
be or whatever. um so but yeah gotcha all right

01:13:50.989 --> 01:13:58.449
well that is i'll be the branches chris he really

01:13:58.449 --> 01:13:59.970
he really should have thought of this whenever

01:13:59.970 --> 01:14:04.090
he had that last name it's really inconsiderate

01:14:04.090 --> 01:14:07.649
let's just talk about kind of final thoughts

01:14:07.649 --> 01:14:11.609
and um our ratings for the record brandon you

01:14:11.609 --> 01:14:16.760
want to lead yeah um I think that I was super

01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:22.640
pleasantly surprised. I think going into it,

01:14:22.880 --> 01:14:26.380
it was like, man, I hope this is good because

01:14:26.380 --> 01:14:28.600
I'm going to feel bad. I think right now the

01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:30.680
lowest rate or the second lowest rating I've

01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:34.359
given is when Jordan brought her album to us.

01:14:34.699 --> 01:14:36.439
So I was like, I hope this doesn't continue the

01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:40.020
trend of like as her album from one of your favorite

01:14:40.020 --> 01:14:44.340
bands. Yeah. What what did she bring? A dancer

01:14:44.340 --> 01:14:48.039
died by family force five. And essentially I

01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:51.140
said, I absolutely love half this album and the

01:14:51.140 --> 01:14:54.579
other half I can't stand. So to two point five

01:14:54.579 --> 01:15:01.140
out of five. That works out. But I I just I just

01:15:01.140 --> 01:15:04.979
love when an artist. like pours out their heart

01:15:04.979 --> 01:15:08.300
onto something and people might disagree but

01:15:08.300 --> 01:15:10.939
I feel like you can tell when someone is just

01:15:10.939 --> 01:15:13.539
putting stuff out for money or because the record

01:15:13.539 --> 01:15:15.859
label was like we need something out versus when

01:15:15.859 --> 01:15:18.899
they're like this is important I need to put

01:15:18.899 --> 01:15:25.319
this out so I I think that it like over like

01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:29.880
over delivered on what my expectations were um

01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:32.359
it made me definitely want to go check out the

01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:37.279
rest of his stuff so for me i'm like i was super

01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:40.760
happy to give it a four out of five awesome awesome

01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:43.720
keith what about you i think i would also deliver

01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:47.979
it a four out of five um if i were to rate it

01:15:47.979 --> 01:15:51.720
in such a way i try to rate books that way um

01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:54.939
but the scale is is not a solid one there's there's

01:15:54.939 --> 01:15:59.819
very little science to any of my scales but in

01:15:59.819 --> 01:16:03.920
a season of my life where I don't give music

01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:07.560
the place of honor that maybe it once had for

01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:09.960
my thinking and like I don't I really don't find

01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:12.739
myself like this was a really cool exercise and

01:16:12.739 --> 01:16:14.899
I'm grateful you guys let me come on and do it

01:16:14.899 --> 01:16:17.619
because it's not something I normally think about

01:16:17.619 --> 01:16:21.079
too heavily but this one this album definitely

01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:24.989
the songs on it They mean a lot to me. Um, and

01:16:24.989 --> 01:16:27.890
I wouldn't say it's like changed my life, but

01:16:27.890 --> 01:16:30.810
I thought I think it's very good and almost all

01:16:30.810 --> 01:16:33.670
of them, you know, are, are meaningful and, and

01:16:33.670 --> 01:16:36.670
hopeful and I guess humbling to me. So a four

01:16:36.670 --> 01:16:39.710
out of five, not perfect, but very good, very,

01:16:39.829 --> 01:16:42.550
you know, not really any must skips on there.

01:16:42.670 --> 01:16:47.710
That's cool. So I think for me, um, out of all

01:16:47.710 --> 01:16:52.220
the records that we've had that I Haven't listened

01:16:52.220 --> 01:16:55.819
to before that have kind of come before us. This

01:16:55.819 --> 01:16:59.359
one's probably my favorite so far my favorite

01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:04.180
one that was new to me and It just it works like

01:17:04.180 --> 01:17:07.680
I I am really interested to go listen to some

01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:12.220
of his stuff after this to see If he kind of

01:17:12.220 --> 01:17:16.619
breaks the mold of of like the pattern to the

01:17:16.619 --> 01:17:19.380
songs and the structure to the songs Um, because

01:17:19.380 --> 01:17:21.340
I think that's maybe one of the key things like

01:17:21.340 --> 01:17:24.600
holding it back a little bit for me, but, um,

01:17:24.619 --> 01:17:28.260
but I really loved this and, um, I really enjoyed

01:17:28.260 --> 01:17:32.039
his voice. And by that, I mean, a lot of what

01:17:32.039 --> 01:17:35.060
you guys are saying, just how he's putting his

01:17:35.060 --> 01:17:38.359
heart out, um, the lyrics that are there. Um,

01:17:38.460 --> 01:17:40.840
and he's got a great voice as well. And so I

01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:43.800
think all the things just worked, worked really

01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:47.680
well for me. And so, um, with my mathematical

01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:50.779
scoring, I'm joining you with a four out of five

01:17:50.779 --> 01:17:53.739
because that's where I landed. And so I don't,

01:17:53.840 --> 01:17:55.800
is this the first time that we've all landed

01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:58.060
on the same rating? Maybe the second. Man. Yeah.

01:17:58.100 --> 01:18:00.859
I'm thinking, cause I think the switch foot one,

01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:04.779
we might've. or i forget yeah yeah we need we

01:18:04.779 --> 01:18:06.920
need someone we need a super fan out there just

01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:08.779
like keeping track of everything and all the

01:18:08.779 --> 01:18:11.460
stats we do the listenership at least they don't

01:18:11.460 --> 01:18:14.000
have to do any like complicated averaging out

01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:16.579
and weighted averages or anything you can at

01:18:16.579 --> 01:18:20.689
least create a spreadsheet for us guys That would

01:18:20.689 --> 01:18:22.869
be awesome. I can tell one, can I tell one humorous

01:18:22.869 --> 01:18:25.649
anecdote about this artist before we're finished?

01:18:25.949 --> 01:18:28.550
Yeah, of course. So, I'm a youth minister, youth

01:18:28.550 --> 01:18:32.789
pastor at my church. He came to Columbia, and

01:18:32.789 --> 01:18:36.930
I was like, I, it's very rare that a youth group

01:18:36.930 --> 01:18:40.689
friendly artist that I like is anywhere nearby,

01:18:41.189 --> 01:18:42.930
and so I'm like, I'm gonna take the youth there,

01:18:43.229 --> 01:18:47.800
so. gather several of them, and we go to Columbia.

01:18:47.819 --> 01:18:51.640
He's playing at the Synod, which I'm like, typically

01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:55.300
they have, this is odd, odd artists for the Synod.

01:18:55.380 --> 01:18:57.699
It's usually like, it's not a church, it's not

01:18:57.699 --> 01:19:01.100
known for playing Christian music there, so I

01:19:01.100 --> 01:19:04.779
bring them in, and then one person walks past

01:19:04.779 --> 01:19:10.399
me carrying like three tall boys, and I'm like,

01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:15.109
I didn't I didn't think they'd be serving alcohol

01:19:15.109 --> 01:19:19.390
for this particular artist But they are and I

01:19:19.390 --> 01:19:22.449
may be about to lose my job So I should at least

01:19:22.449 --> 01:19:25.109
I should at least enjoy this concert, but I just

01:19:25.109 --> 01:19:28.949
the the sinking feeling of like youth kids like

01:19:28.949 --> 01:19:32.130
you know, Mr. Keith took us to a concert then

01:19:32.130 --> 01:19:34.550
in the background there's like, you know mid

01:19:34.550 --> 01:19:37.670
-20s people just like hitting tall bud lights

01:19:37.670 --> 01:19:41.609
and I had a fear for my job, but luckily I got

01:19:41.609 --> 01:19:44.949
to stick around. Chris almost took me out. His

01:19:44.949 --> 01:19:48.270
name's hard to deal with, and he almost really

01:19:48.270 --> 01:19:51.170
messed me up. Makes you feel better. When I was

01:19:51.170 --> 01:19:54.130
a youth pastor, I took some kids to a different

01:19:54.130 --> 01:19:56.449
artist with the first name of Chris's concert,

01:19:56.630 --> 01:20:01.840
and I regretted it as well. Lesson learned, don't

01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:04.880
take you kids to anyone with a first name Chris.

01:20:05.100 --> 01:20:08.380
OK, yeah. To see to see life. Not worth it. Not

01:20:08.380 --> 01:20:12.560
worth the Chris. All right. Well, this has been

01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:16.920
fun to dig into. Let's talk about what our lyric

01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:31.810
of the week is. So our lyric comes from Son of

01:20:31.810 --> 01:20:35.949
God and it says, Oh, we've seen graves and oceans

01:20:35.949 --> 01:20:39.369
bow before human feet. Dawn is breaking now.

01:20:39.569 --> 01:20:42.350
Darkness must retreat for the Son of God. He

01:20:42.350 --> 01:20:46.949
walks among us. That's cool. It's a good just

01:20:46.949 --> 01:20:50.609
kind of cap on on this discussion. So Keith,

01:20:50.710 --> 01:20:53.689
man, it's been awesome having you on. Thanks

01:20:53.689 --> 01:20:56.770
for coming. You were highly respectful of Brandon,

01:20:57.149 --> 01:20:59.890
even though I know you've got all the dirt. And

01:20:59.890 --> 01:21:03.850
so I appreciate that. And it's been really fun

01:21:03.850 --> 01:21:06.069
to get to talk through this record. I'm super

01:21:06.069 --> 01:21:08.529
grateful that you brought it to us because I

01:21:08.529 --> 01:21:11.489
probably would never have taken the time to stop

01:21:11.489 --> 01:21:14.069
and listen to it. And I can tell you that I will

01:21:14.069 --> 01:21:16.069
continue to listen. to it and check out the rest

01:21:16.069 --> 01:21:18.729
of his stuff to you because I really, really

01:21:18.729 --> 01:21:22.289
enjoyed it. So we're thankful as well for you

01:21:22.289 --> 01:21:26.229
guys for joining us and coming and listening

01:21:26.229 --> 01:21:28.689
along every week and you can continue to find

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