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Are you listening All right, welcome to Hey,

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Are You Listening? This is a podcast exploring

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the past, present and future of Christian music.

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My name is Joel. I'm here with my good friend,

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Brandon, and we connected over a mutual love

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of some particular artists, but also have pretty

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different tastes when it comes to things. So

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we get to expose each other to new stuff while

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sometimes inviting some friends along for the

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ride. And we have a friend back with us today.

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Um, she was our first guest ever on the podcast.

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I think that's right. Right. And just so also

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happens to be married to Brandon. It's Jordan,

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everybody. Surprise. We're so glad you're back.

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This I think officially Jordan makes you. the

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most frequent guest i think so because this is

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number three right yeah yeah we've had a few

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number twos but you're the first number three

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so number three congratulations three baby i

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just turned 33 so how appropriate that's perfect

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perfect it couldn't be any better um well today

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we are talking about um Something that's different

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than what we've normally done. We're gonna cover

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an EP So not a full -length record, but just

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a few songs the EP Everything you ever wanted

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by Grace Graber and so I'm looking forward to

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talking about that But before we get into it,

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it's time to check the mail All right. Well,

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today our friend of the show, Sarah writes this

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in, dear Brandon and Joel, why do you think the

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Christian music industry shifted from CCM, contemporary

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Christian music to worship? When do you think

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that shift started happening? And do you think

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that things will ever go back? What do you guys

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think about this? It's a big question. We've

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touched on this a little bit, but it's kind of

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one of the big the big themes that's happened

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out there in the world of Christian music. Brandon,

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what are your thoughts? I think, I feel like

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there's like that really like short answer that's

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kind of, it's not the purest of heart when it's

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like, this is the reason. But I think that for

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me, the shift started, I would say maybe 2009

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or 2010 is when I started noticing it because

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there was bands that I really loved and they

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were putting out stuff that was really cool.

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And then all of a sudden they would get this

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radio hit and they would realize, oh, this gets

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a lot more plays, a lot more money, a lot more

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like recognition. And so there was this shift

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to that's what like radio wants, that's what

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people want. So let's put that out there. So

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I feel like for me, and it might be a cynical

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reason, I think a lot of it has to do with money.

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And I think that you can either say it as an

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artist being greedy, which I think that's not

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fair for a lot of artists, or you can say it's

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the supply and demand. I can criticize that band,

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but if they have a million people that want to

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hear them sing worship songs and there's only

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10 ,000 of me that want them to write whatever,

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you know, it doesn't make sense to, you know,

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like stick to that. But yeah, I think for me

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it just it comes down to like a money thing.

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And I personally think that with the rise of

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Like indie record labels and I think with streaming

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I think that you kind of are getting to see a

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little bit of Combating that where it's not these

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gatekeepers to radio You have people that are

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able to You put out whatever like I think about

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15 years ago Like if I wanted to put out music

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it would be how do I get on a label? How do I

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get a band? How do we do whatever? Whereas now

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it's like I could...tonight, me and you could

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go to your house and say, hey, let's record some

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stuff, and we could have it on Spotify within

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an hour or two. So I think that we're kind of

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starting to see, at least in my opinion, a returning

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to...there's a place for worship, but there's

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also a place for, you know, like faith. I feel

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like faith -inspired is maybe better than CCM

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or Christian music, but like punk and rock and

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metal and just every other is on route there.

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But Brandon, this is worship. How can worship

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be about money? Well, you can't even say that

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without laughing. Because I feel like that's

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my same reasoning. It's all money driven because

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the artist, a lot of artists, if they're signed

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onto a record label, they're not making decisions.

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The record label is making the decision. And

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at the end of the day, it's a business. they're

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selling what's selling. And if a nice light airy

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song about like driving and seeing God in the

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driving is released, it's not going to get as

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many listens as a song about who God is and what

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he's done for us. So I feel like that is the

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main reason is just the money. and what is popular.

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But I do agree that like kind of late 2000s,

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2010s, that era, I think we saw such a rise with

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like Hillsong and Elevation and all of those

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type of bands that only did worship songs. And

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so I think because they became so popular, that's

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what the record labels were like, oh, this is

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what we need to release. But now we're having

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more artists come out with just regular Christian

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songs and it's not worship songs and they're

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becoming more popular. But I think because of

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the shift of having TikTok and Instagram that

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they're releasing their stuff on there. And so

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the audiences are there finding them. So then

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that's driving up sales for those types of artists.

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So yes, it is money. Yeah, and you probably can't

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argue that it's not, at least at its base, a

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money thing. Because certainly I think that this

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did start from record labels making decisions.

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The interesting thing is most artists today probably

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aren't that impacted by the desires of a label

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anymore because labels don't actually do a lot

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for artists. I know that people are still on

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labels. So in like the really big artists situations,

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it's probably the case, but so many people now

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are just doing their own thing or they're part

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of a collective instead of a label or whatever

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it may be. And so I feel like that influence

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is gone. In some ways you see see how that changes

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the industry but a lot of people are still putting

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out worship music even in the midst of that but

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probably because that's what's popular and that's

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what people are listening to and so and you hate

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to say well that's that's because it's about

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money but but ultimately that that's certainly

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a big part of it what can you guys remember what's

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the first artist that you can think of that like

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was like just a Christian artist that like released

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a worship record. Can you think of the earliest

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version of that? I think the first one that comes

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to mind, because there was people that were going

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more CCM, but I think full -on worship was Jeremy

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Camp. I remember him being like, he had, I think

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it was Stay. and then he released that. He did

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do a random worship project like early his career.

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Then he had Beyond Measure, Speaking Louder Than

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Before, and then there was I think it was We

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Cry Out maybe of his, and I feel like from that

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point on it went all like worship. I think for

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me, it was weird. And I think maybe this, it

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kind of just soured me on worship for a long

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time, was that I almost felt, like, deserted

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by, like, artists. Like, I felt like I, like,

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hey, I was here when you guys were, like, doing

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y 'all's thing, and I appreciated it, but then

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it felt like other people showed up, and it was

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like, this is the cooler crowd. Like, we want

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to be the people getting the... Dove Awards,

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we want to get the people that are getting like

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asked to be in the Pure Flix movies or whatever.

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And like, so for me, it was kind of just this,

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oh, I guess if you do worship stuff, like you're

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selling out. And like it soured me on worship

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music like for years. Like I hadn't, it wasn't

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just I don't care for this. It was like an active

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like... No, we're not like you like that, you

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know, like it was a And I think that's like I

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said just comes from feeling like Why are you

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guys? Like this this isn't who you are like it

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see and I think what's sad is I think some of

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those are the bands that you see ultimately come

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out and they're What are you deconstructing and

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all? because it felt like they were at this point

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where they're like, man, we're making music we

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like, we're talking about Jesus, and all of a

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sudden it's every night a, oh, you guys need

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a little more Jesus, or, oh, you went out there

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and mentioned, like, that you watch the football

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game, well, you can't watch that team because

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their quarterback's not a Christian, you know,

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it just felt like it's everything is planned

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whenever money comes into the picture. So, yeah,

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Jeremy Camps first. worship record was, um, 2010.

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Um, so there were artists like a third day that

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put out their first worship record offerings.

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It was their fourth album in 2000. Um, and so

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there were bands doing this like really early

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on and that's not the only worship record that

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they released. Um, they put out more, um, after

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that. Am I going to be Smith's? like worship,

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it's called worship album that he released was

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his first big record in a while when it came

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out. It came out in 2001 and then he released

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a second one in 2002. And so you saw a shift

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of a guy who's like done even progressive, like

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on the edge of Christian music and mainstream

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in 2001, all of a sudden he's putting out a worship

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record and then he puts out another worship record.

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And it hasn't Like he's kind of kept to that

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cadence a little bit of just releasing worship

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music Then I went back and looked and we just

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talked about Petra on a previous episode their

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first worship record Petra praise came out in

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1989 So talk about a band that's ahead of the

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times when it comes to this stuff But that's

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just kind of interesting to me that I do think

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There was a moment when worship music killed

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the industry. And I think you're right, that

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probably was somewhere in the late 2000s, around

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2010. But things were progressing in that direction

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for a while before they actually got there. And

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by the time you get to... 2010, it's either,

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well, you're making worship records or you're

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not making any music because we're not going

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to release anything other than this because this

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is the only thing that's selling right now. And

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so it just does really interesting things to

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an industry. But I think you're right. You guys

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are right in the sense that with indie labels

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and people more focused on even just releasing

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singles for online for TikTok or for whatever,

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then there's creativity begins to step in again

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and artists get to make what they want to make

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versus what somebody tells them to make. And

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so one of the main reasons that we, Brandon,

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wanted to even do this podcast is because we

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felt like there was a rebirth happening of something

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that... this idea of what it means to be a Christian

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making music. We're shifting back to something

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and I'm beginning to be reborn. And so it's kind

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of fun to be able to talk about this while we

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kind of feel it happening and see it happening.

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So yeah, any other thoughts on this? I don't

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think so. Well, Sarah, thanks for that question.

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Don't forget that you can reach out to us with

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your own questions for us to talk about on the

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podcast. Just email. Hey, are you listening pod

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at gmail .com? And we'll look forward to answering

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your questions on the air as well. But now let's

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play a game. All right, well today we're gonna

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play another round of CCM 20 questions. Jordan,

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I know you're excited about this. I'm so excited,

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but also very nervous because I like to win,

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but I don't think I'm gonna win. Well, you never

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know. And so here's how 20 questions works. You

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get to ask 20 yes or no. questions and I will

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answer them simply with a yes or a no and the

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goal is that you move in the direction of honing

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in on a specific album so if you get to an artist

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first and you want to say is it this artist I'll

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give you a yes or no but the goal is that you

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hone in on the album that I have in my head for

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them Um, and see if you can get there within

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20 questions. So before we start counting the

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questions, do you have any questions about the

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game itself? No, I don't think so. All right.

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Brandon, you ready for this? I'm ready. All right.

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Let's do it. Ask away. Um, is this band, does

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it feature a female lead singer? No. Okay. That's

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always my go -to question. Is it a band? Yes.

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Is it AI? No. Was this band popular? Like would

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you say the height of their popularity was between

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2000 and 2010? Yes. Okay. Both of you looked

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at me and I've got nothing. Is the album genre

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rock? In a broad sense, yes. That answers nothing.

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Was this band on Tooth and Nail Records? No.

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Was this band on Goatee Records? Yes. Brandon,

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you gotta bring it home. Okay. That only narrows

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it down to 30 people. Does this band feature

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four gentlemen in it? Or historically, is it

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represented by four people? I think for the most

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part, yes. Okay. I think that's seven questions.

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I haven't been keeping track. So, um, Oh goodness.

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So you said it was a rock ish, uh, tooth early

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2000s or 2000, 2010. Oh, are they still popular

00:18:06.019 --> 00:18:15.329
today? i .e. like still a band making music um

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hang on i'll answer that question just a second

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um i don't i don't want to mislead you i probably

00:18:25.210 --> 00:18:26.950
should do a better job thinking about these things

00:18:26.950 --> 00:18:28.950
ahead of time the longer you're waiting because

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i feel like i know the know what band you're

00:18:30.849 --> 00:18:32.930
talking about but the more you're having to research

00:18:32.930 --> 00:18:41.720
it the more i'm like um Will say yes, I think

00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.440
technically this band is not broken up. Okay

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Is this band House of Heroes No, oh that's ten

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oh Man, I I was getting really cocky there for

00:19:01.740 --> 00:19:04.400
a second cuz I'm like, I know who it is I'll

00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:13.589
just play around a little bit She said 2010.

00:19:14.630 --> 00:19:19.529
Rock -ish. Four members. Okay. You know this

00:19:19.529 --> 00:19:23.970
band. I do? Yeah. Oh, I have no idea who this

00:19:23.970 --> 00:19:31.910
is. Is the band Reliant K? Yes. Oh, okay. I do

00:19:31.910 --> 00:19:37.009
know this band. Okay, so I'm... Is the album,

00:19:37.869 --> 00:19:40.369
was it five score and - You're just going straight

00:19:40.369 --> 00:19:43.910
into that? Yeah. So I didn't, I wasn't clear

00:19:43.910 --> 00:19:47.650
on this. I can't ask if it - If you ask an album

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and you're wrong, that ends the game. Oh no.

00:19:51.250 --> 00:19:54.049
So make sure you know the album before you -

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Okay, here's a question. Okay. Does the album

00:19:57.250 --> 00:20:02.089
cover have an overhead shot of them with the

00:20:02.089 --> 00:20:14.519
like sepia filter photo? No. Does this album...

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Does it feature a trailer? On the cover? Oh,

00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:39.799
no, I forget that's like two albums. Does this

00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:44.339
album, is the band on the cover of the album,

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or is it, or yeah, is the band, like is the members

00:20:49.700 --> 00:20:57.420
of Reliant K on the cover? No. Okay. Is it the

00:20:57.420 --> 00:21:01.940
album with the flower on it? Yes. Oh gosh, what's

00:21:01.940 --> 00:21:06.019
the name of that one? It's a yellow flower with

00:21:06.019 --> 00:21:09.400
the like One of the pedals is kind of falling.

00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:13.420
No, I can't ask that. I'm glad you said that

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because I forgot completely about that. I literally

00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:20.400
jumped from... What is that album? Is the album

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called... Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Yes, you got it.

00:21:26.900 --> 00:21:31.660
I think that's on 15. Oh, man. Isn't this one

00:21:31.660 --> 00:21:34.559
of the more popular L .A. K records? Maybe the

00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:38.279
most popular L .A. K record? Yeah, probably I'm

00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:40.180
trying I feel like that one in the five score

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Yeah, that one. I don't even know the second

00:21:42.579 --> 00:21:45.000
part of the title of that one. Is it five score

00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:50.180
and yeah and Yeah, so I jumped immediately in

00:21:50.180 --> 00:21:56.819
my brain um I thought of um five score and seven

00:21:56.819 --> 00:22:00.579
years ago So that one and then I immediately

00:22:00.579 --> 00:22:03.380
went to the two lefts don't make a right. Yeah,

00:22:03.380 --> 00:22:09.190
and I forgot all about Well, you guys got there

00:22:09.190 --> 00:22:12.109
and that's good. So congratulations. I shouldn't

00:22:12.109 --> 00:22:14.470
have been nervous. Our friend Miranda is going

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to be really upset that it took us that long.

00:22:16.650 --> 00:22:20.890
She's kind of a like the Reliant K historian

00:22:20.890 --> 00:22:25.269
of the group. So it's like I I've always liked

00:22:25.269 --> 00:22:29.690
Reliant K, but again, I I found them through

00:22:29.950 --> 00:22:34.069
limewire so there were no pictures of any albums

00:22:34.069 --> 00:22:37.329
on anything and it was all just like hey here

00:22:37.329 --> 00:22:42.710
you go here's a big old stack of music no like

00:22:42.710 --> 00:22:46.009
filing into any album it was just song song song

00:22:46.009 --> 00:22:49.450
yeah so i just listened to all the songs didn't

00:22:49.450 --> 00:22:52.730
know where they belonged but i liked them that's

00:22:52.730 --> 00:22:58.390
really awesome yeah i um i got into relink like

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Even before their first record came out Somehow

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I got a pre -release like set with two of the

00:23:05.390 --> 00:23:08.609
songs on it or something and then listen to it,

00:23:08.609 --> 00:23:11.289
but That's fun. Yeah, I'm glad you guys were

00:23:11.289 --> 00:23:14.490
able to land on it. So thought it would be fitting

00:23:14.490 --> 00:23:18.150
considering the fact that we're dealing with

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something in the pop -punk territory today, so

00:23:22.190 --> 00:23:23.950
All right. Well, let's talk a little bit about

00:23:23.950 --> 00:23:27.710
what we've been listening to lately What have

00:23:27.710 --> 00:23:31.950
you guys been listening to? I was revisiting

00:23:31.950 --> 00:23:37.589
the Classic Crime, their Vagabond's album. It's

00:23:37.589 --> 00:23:39.630
a Tooth and Nail band, right? Congratulations.

00:23:40.069 --> 00:23:44.430
Thank you. In preparation for this, we kind of

00:23:44.430 --> 00:23:47.250
got into a discussion about like, what is pop

00:23:47.250 --> 00:23:50.170
punk? Because like you go on the internet and

00:23:50.170 --> 00:23:55.119
there's a lot of just random things that people

00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:57.420
are saying oh this band's pop punk this one because

00:23:57.420 --> 00:24:00.079
like house of heroes was listed as like pop punk

00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:04.140
and i was like that's not like i don't see them

00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:06.839
as that and even uh the classic crime i was playing

00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:10.680
this album and i'm like this doesn't strike me

00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:14.079
as pop punk and um so i just started listening

00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:17.420
and so yes this album and then a lot of just

00:24:17.420 --> 00:24:20.359
playing random things and being like i don't

00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:23.359
think this like What is pop punk? Which I will,

00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.740
I guess we'll discuss in a little bit, but yeah,

00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:29.380
I would say that classic crime Vagabonds, um,

00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:31.500
that's what I've been having on repeat recently.

00:24:32.299 --> 00:24:35.559
Cool. Yeah. I feel like for me, I've been listening

00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:38.660
to, well, a lot of Grace Graber, which we're

00:24:38.660 --> 00:24:42.680
going to cover. Um, and then also some Christian

00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:47.079
pop punk bands as well. Um, I've been listening,

00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.779
like there's a couple of the almost songs, Um,

00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:54.859
then reliant k consider the almost pop punk.

00:24:55.299 --> 00:24:59.539
Yeah interesting They're a little bit heavier,

00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:01.579
but I would not consider them. I feel like they're

00:25:01.579 --> 00:25:04.440
more punk, but I feel like they're pop because

00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:10.539
they're they're more like popular so but then

00:25:10.539 --> 00:25:15.720
um reliant k Um a band called run kid run. Have

00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:19.039
you heard of them? Yep. I like them. Um, but

00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.630
yeah those kind of bands, and then Stellar Cart.

00:25:22.789 --> 00:25:25.309
I've had a lot of Stellar Cart on repeat lately.

00:25:25.509 --> 00:25:30.309
Nice. Throwing it back. Yeah, that's cool. Well,

00:25:30.309 --> 00:25:32.170
what I've been listening to isn't pop -pock,

00:25:32.450 --> 00:25:34.490
but Brandon, it's actually something that you

00:25:34.490 --> 00:25:37.589
recommended that actually took the time to stop

00:25:37.589 --> 00:25:41.430
and listen to. And it's that, I don't know how

00:25:41.430 --> 00:25:45.089
to say it, fa pest, fa peste. Oh, okay. This

00:25:45.089 --> 00:25:49.369
world ain't mine to change. Yeah, I really enjoyed

00:25:49.369 --> 00:25:51.710
that. It's, uh, I mean, the vocals are kind of

00:25:51.710 --> 00:25:55.049
interesting, but the music I really like it's

00:25:55.049 --> 00:25:57.349
chill, but it's catchy. There's a lot of like

00:25:57.349 --> 00:26:00.109
beach boys vibes, which I love the beach boys.

00:26:00.789 --> 00:26:04.829
So, um, so I like, um, the production and the,

00:26:04.990 --> 00:26:08.710
like, just the simplicity, but creativity that's

00:26:08.710 --> 00:26:12.049
there in it. So that's what I was revisiting

00:26:12.049 --> 00:26:15.910
that the other day. Um, And I think that's just

00:26:15.910 --> 00:26:18.650
what has stuck with me is that it's just so simple

00:26:18.650 --> 00:26:21.990
that I could see someone not liking it But I

00:26:21.990 --> 00:26:25.490
think that's just what impresses me is that I

00:26:25.490 --> 00:26:28.170
have Really like there's I've listened through

00:26:28.170 --> 00:26:31.589
it so many times and I've yet to get Like tired

00:26:31.589 --> 00:26:34.329
of it or be like, okay. Yeah, this is kind of

00:26:34.329 --> 00:26:36.529
like war I was welcome. So but that's pretty

00:26:36.529 --> 00:26:39.970
cool. I'm I'm glad I feel like velvet blue right

00:26:39.970 --> 00:26:43.470
now is just leading the way in like producing

00:26:43.789 --> 00:26:48.569
like stuff that's just all over the map, but

00:26:48.569 --> 00:26:51.509
just quality with each release. Yeah. It's pretty

00:26:51.509 --> 00:26:55.089
fun. All right. So obviously we want to get into

00:26:55.089 --> 00:26:58.730
this conversation about Grace Graber, but we've

00:26:58.730 --> 00:27:00.369
had kind of an interesting conversation about

00:27:00.369 --> 00:27:04.509
this idea of pop punk. So I don't know if you

00:27:04.509 --> 00:27:07.049
guys want to talk more about this, like what

00:27:07.049 --> 00:27:10.490
is pop punk before we start talking about this

00:27:10.490 --> 00:27:13.680
EP specifically. Um, but brandy you kind of brought

00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:16.380
up this idea like what are your thoughts there?

00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:20.599
I I told jordan that I feel like pop punk. Um

00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:24.339
When I think of pop punk, I think of You have

00:27:24.339 --> 00:27:26.900
a guitar that's just going fast. So it's just

00:27:26.900 --> 00:27:30.519
like the And then you have someone doing something

00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:35.599
on drums and then you have a A singer that has

00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:41.109
to both go He has to be like nasally but then

00:27:41.109 --> 00:27:44.710
also he has to go like, whoa, oh, or oh, oh.

00:27:44.730 --> 00:27:47.569
There's a lot of just, oh, thrown into there.

00:27:48.089 --> 00:27:50.849
That's what I think of when I hear of pop punk.

00:27:51.490 --> 00:27:55.849
I think of like a little bit of a Whaley guitar,

00:27:56.369 --> 00:28:00.609
but very like sharp guitar as well. And then

00:28:00.609 --> 00:28:04.930
drums, there's a lot of like kicks with the drums.

00:28:05.750 --> 00:28:09.089
It's the, again, it's very sharp. It's not like

00:28:09.089 --> 00:28:14.019
a, Lucy goosey melodic. Yes type rhythm. It's

00:28:14.019 --> 00:28:19.460
like don't don't don't it's like Yeah, I'm sure

00:28:19.460 --> 00:28:21.460
if Chris Blanchard was here he would definitely

00:28:21.460 --> 00:28:25.539
agree with my take on it And I feel I do feel

00:28:25.539 --> 00:28:29.900
like you do need a very distinct voice. Uh -huh.

00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:33.519
I agree I feel like it helps whenever you have

00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.400
that like little accent type almost like a blink

00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:42.000
182 sort of sound I feel like that lends itself

00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:47.259
to that pop punk sound. Yeah. So I think that

00:28:47.259 --> 00:28:50.559
you guys are right for the most part on this.

00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:56.160
I think the drums, the drums are super key to

00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:58.140
this. And I think you're right. And it's just

00:28:58.140 --> 00:29:00.420
that there's like a steady beat. It's not a lot

00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:04.819
of flow or feel. It's just kind of a really steady

00:29:04.819 --> 00:29:10.130
kind of hit and um in more punk territory and

00:29:10.130 --> 00:29:13.730
even in a lot of pop punk you'll get like the

00:29:13.730 --> 00:29:18.289
really fast kick and snare like that happens

00:29:18.289 --> 00:29:23.930
um and so you see um more of that in punk punk

00:29:23.930 --> 00:29:26.809
but i mean still it shows up in pop punk pretty

00:29:26.809 --> 00:29:28.970
frequently like if you listen to a band like

00:29:28.970 --> 00:29:33.450
mxpx or slick shoes um more 90s punk you're probably

00:29:33.450 --> 00:29:37.049
going to see more of that than 2000s punk Punk

00:29:37.049 --> 00:29:39.410
kind of mellowed out a little bit in the 2000s

00:29:39.410 --> 00:29:41.809
and got a little more easier on the ears. Um,

00:29:42.490 --> 00:29:46.769
and so, but, um, but, so I think you guys are

00:29:46.769 --> 00:29:49.069
right about that. And the vocals, uh, and the

00:29:49.069 --> 00:29:51.329
guitars, you get a lot of just power chords,

00:29:51.829 --> 00:29:55.250
um, that are, that are happening in punk rock.

00:29:55.690 --> 00:29:58.529
Um, and a lot of playing fast, um, bass playing,

00:29:58.529 --> 00:30:01.470
you gotta have a good bass player for a punk

00:30:01.470 --> 00:30:06.099
band. Um, that's a, that's a key thing. So. Um,

00:30:06.099 --> 00:30:09.940
yeah, I, so, um, I don't consider the almost

00:30:09.940 --> 00:30:13.440
to be a punk band, a pop punk band. What do you

00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:17.440
consider them? Um, just like, uh, I think they

00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:21.220
were trying to be like an emo rock band. Um,

00:30:21.539 --> 00:30:23.380
back in that day, Aaron Gillespie was at Under

00:30:23.380 --> 00:30:25.960
Oath and he wanted to do something a little chiller.

00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.960
Um, and so, um, that was a step back from Under

00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.440
Oath and some more just like an indie emo rock.

00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:40.900
thing um but i do like the almost for sure see

00:30:40.900 --> 00:30:45.000
i would argue that they are pop punk because

00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.099
under oath is more heavy right like the heavy

00:30:49.099 --> 00:30:53.920
screams and more rock guitar and drums whereas

00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.460
the almost the almost is a little bit of an uptick

00:30:57.460 --> 00:31:02.259
in the rhythm it's like faster rhythm which is

00:31:02.259 --> 00:31:08.509
pop punk Do you have any uh ideas on this Brandon?

00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:11.650
Have you even heard any of the almost songs?

00:31:11.990 --> 00:31:14.509
Yeah, i've i've heard I wouldn't I feel like

00:31:14.509 --> 00:31:16.869
I wouldn't put them on because i'm When I think

00:31:16.869 --> 00:31:19.210
of the almost I think of the monster monster

00:31:19.210 --> 00:31:22.890
ep And then I think of like southern weather,

00:31:22.890 --> 00:31:24.890
so I feel like I definitely put it more into

00:31:24.890 --> 00:31:30.750
like a rock category um Yeah, because when I

00:31:30.750 --> 00:31:37.099
think of like um Like pop -punk I think of like

00:31:37.099 --> 00:31:41.559
Hawking Elson, Capital Lights I'm trying to think

00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:45.299
of who else FM static I think is a really good

00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:49.900
example of pop -punk But I feel like it's just

00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:53.099
kind of this weird It's almost like alternative

00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:56.299
like there's some stuff where I'm like like alternative

00:31:56.299 --> 00:32:00.099
bleed so much There's stuff that I think oh,

00:32:00.099 --> 00:32:02.960
that's not rock. That's like alternative rock

00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.220
or that's not whatever it's like alternative

00:32:06.220 --> 00:32:09.839
or indie so they're definitely a blend of things

00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.680
so um google ai would say that they're primarily

00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.619
an alternative rock band with strong ties to

00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:21.619
emo post -grunge and alternative ccm um although

00:32:21.619 --> 00:32:24.619
when it lists styles later it says alternative

00:32:24.619 --> 00:32:28.480
rock emo slash pop punk Post -Grunge. So there's

00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.700
definitely some influence in there. Yeah, they're

00:32:30.700 --> 00:32:34.880
they're all of the above. Yeah, for sure. First

00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:39.859
pop punk band that you ever listened to. Hmm.

00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:46.039
I don't even remember. But I know that I liked

00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:50.500
it after I listened to it. Is it that's my favorite

00:32:50.500 --> 00:32:53.859
genre of music? Yeah. You liked it, but not well

00:32:53.859 --> 00:32:57.319
enough to remember who you liked. I feel like

00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.740
I heard it and then I did a deep dive into, I

00:33:00.740 --> 00:33:02.759
need more of this. And I probably listened to

00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:06.599
like 20 different artists all in one day, just

00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:11.359
like eating and consuming as much as I could.

00:33:12.099 --> 00:33:16.279
So I feel like I don't even remember, but I remember

00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:21.319
I used to really like Forever the Sickest Kids.

00:33:22.120 --> 00:33:25.700
And that was kind of like, I guess, Forever the

00:33:25.700 --> 00:33:28.019
Sickest Kids and maybe Family Force 5, those

00:33:28.019 --> 00:33:32.500
two, I'm gonna say that because I just remember

00:33:32.500 --> 00:33:36.000
hearing them and saying, oh man, I need more

00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.279
of this. And then I would just spend hours on

00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:43.940
YouTube, like just watching videos of all of

00:33:43.940 --> 00:33:49.000
these different pop punk bands. all of the music

00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.339
videos and things and i was like man i love this

00:33:52.339 --> 00:33:57.059
so that's cool yeah uh for me it's hawk nelson

00:33:57.059 --> 00:33:59.880
yeah i think back to their friend like that album

00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:04.660
uh they came to winter jam one year and after

00:34:04.660 --> 00:34:08.440
that like i dove in and then i think after that

00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:11.599
like then came like reliant k and all because

00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:16.500
i found reliant k from um like from go t records

00:34:16.730 --> 00:34:18.929
So I think that Blank K was kind of more of a

00:34:18.929 --> 00:34:22.130
2009, but I think it was like, I knew a few of

00:34:22.130 --> 00:34:24.329
their songs, but Hawk Nelson was the first that

00:34:24.329 --> 00:34:27.769
I like bought an album and I could tell you like

00:34:27.769 --> 00:34:30.269
about the band. So I think Hawk Nelson would

00:34:30.269 --> 00:34:33.230
fall into that for me. Cool. I think the first,

00:34:33.449 --> 00:34:35.929
like the first true pop punk that I ever heard

00:34:35.929 --> 00:34:40.369
was probably Green Day, um, and their album,

00:34:40.409 --> 00:34:44.789
Dookie. Um, but when I come around and all those

00:34:44.789 --> 00:34:48.400
songs there, And yeah, it was unlike anything

00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:52.119
I'd ever heard and I'm like I I need this in

00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:56.719
my life And then there wasn't much in the Christian

00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:01.139
world. There were bands like One Bad Pig that

00:35:01.139 --> 00:35:03.159
came out of the 80s that were like Christian

00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.840
punk bands, but they were a little more edgier

00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:12.590
punk and so it wasn't until I went to Um, my

00:35:12.590 --> 00:35:14.949
local Christian bookstore and looked at the poster

00:35:14.949 --> 00:35:18.190
of if you like blah, blah, blah, you would like,

00:35:18.449 --> 00:35:20.570
and it said, if you like green day, you will

00:35:20.570 --> 00:35:25.070
like MXPX. Um, and they have one record out their

00:35:25.070 --> 00:35:27.469
first record on teeth and nail called Poconaccia

00:35:27.469 --> 00:35:32.070
and I bought it and it changed my life. Um, not

00:35:32.070 --> 00:35:35.329
at all anywhere close to being their best record

00:35:35.329 --> 00:35:38.320
or maybe even a good record. But I loved it.

00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:42.559
But a record nonetheless. Yes. And I was a huge

00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.820
MXPX fan after that. And so, yeah. All right.

00:35:46.820 --> 00:35:50.480
Well, let's transition and talk about this Grace

00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:58.400
Graber EP. All right. So just some info on this.

00:35:58.460 --> 00:36:01.119
Grace Graber released her EP, Everything You

00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.699
Ever Wanted, on October 10th, 2025. So this is

00:36:05.699 --> 00:36:09.219
a new recent record, we're talking current. The

00:36:09.219 --> 00:36:12.360
EP is named after the Hawk Nelson cover, which

00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.199
Graeber chose after being asked that same question

00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:18.500
by someone in the music industry. The project

00:36:18.500 --> 00:36:21.199
serves as a lifeline for Graeber, documenting

00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.000
her realization that she needed to rely on God's

00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.380
strength rather than her own during a period

00:36:26.380 --> 00:36:31.840
of intense burnout. So this is a four -track

00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:37.139
EP. I'm put out by Grace. It is the first long

00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:39.960
form anything that I've ever listened to by her.

00:36:40.579 --> 00:36:42.820
But I'd love just kind of some opening thoughts

00:36:42.820 --> 00:36:45.300
for you guys. Like how did you start listening

00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:47.780
to Grace Graber and where did she kind of enter

00:36:47.780 --> 00:36:52.400
into the picture musically? For me, she's pulling

00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.320
a Josiah Queen. She showed up on TikTok and I,

00:36:57.340 --> 00:36:59.980
like I had seen her. And I kind of just like

00:36:59.980 --> 00:37:02.619
scrolled past, but then I started watching more

00:37:02.619 --> 00:37:06.940
and she actually covered the Forrest Frank Lemonade

00:37:06.940 --> 00:37:10.239
song and was like, what if Forrest Frank went

00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:14.780
punk? And then she played her song. And I argue

00:37:14.780 --> 00:37:19.199
it's better than the original. But that's that's

00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.599
how I first saw her. And then I started having

00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.360
more and more things come up on like TikTok and

00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:31.300
Instagram. and um I know she got a lot of hate

00:37:31.300 --> 00:37:35.539
from people who were like you're a Christian

00:37:35.539 --> 00:37:38.079
you need to act like one because they didn't

00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.880
like that she was dancing around on stage and

00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:47.000
she wore shorts and had a crop top on but she

00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.460
was saying that she was a Christian I was like

00:37:49.460 --> 00:37:52.559
she's talking about Jesus in her songs, how much

00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.300
more Christian can you be as an artist? Like

00:37:55.300 --> 00:37:57.599
you're presenting the gospel every single night

00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:01.599
at your shows. Like what does it matter? But

00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:05.739
I just like really started following her on Instagram.

00:38:06.099 --> 00:38:10.780
And then I heard more and more songs from her

00:38:10.780 --> 00:38:14.340
come up. And then Brandon actually, he showed

00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:18.400
me, I don't even remember what song it was. But

00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.320
it might have been the pressure song. Brandon

00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.739
was like, hey, have you heard this girl? She

00:38:22.739 --> 00:38:25.179
sounds really cool. I think you'll like her.

00:38:25.579 --> 00:38:27.420
And he showed me a song and I was like, Brandon,

00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:29.599
I've been listening to this girl. I know her.

00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:34.260
I like her. So that's how I found her. That's

00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:36.559
cool. What about you, Brandon? Yeah, for me,

00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:42.449
she came up on... Don't know what what it was

00:38:42.449 --> 00:38:44.829
on Spotify. I don't know if it was just it came

00:38:44.829 --> 00:38:47.869
up Maybe you know when you finish an album it'll

00:38:47.869 --> 00:38:51.389
start playing suggested ones related ones and

00:38:51.389 --> 00:38:56.489
so her her cover of Everything you ever wanted

00:38:56.489 --> 00:38:59.489
came on there, and I felt like it was like really

00:38:59.489 --> 00:39:03.889
cool And so I kind of just started like diving

00:39:03.889 --> 00:39:07.070
in and I was like oh, this is like this is cool

00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.960
because i even featured her on my like best releases

00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:17.360
of last year and um i said that like it like

00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.260
it it i feel like i'm transported back to like

00:39:21.260 --> 00:39:24.639
the like early to mid -2000s for all the right

00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.260
reasons and um so i just felt like it was really

00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:31.980
cool to have someone that was taking this sound

00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:35.079
that was so instrumental in so many like people's

00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:39.739
lives back then and now she is doing that again

00:39:39.739 --> 00:39:44.480
um it was kind of like a few years ago i i'm

00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.380
trying to think of who i know i'm gonna mess

00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:49.260
up her name but there was like there's this girl

00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:53.219
she's like really popular but she does like kind

00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:56.159
of this like pop punk like avril lavigne type

00:39:56.159 --> 00:40:01.559
thing is it i don't even know like olivia olivia

00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:04.429
rodrigo i think so I might be mixing it up, but

00:40:04.429 --> 00:40:07.570
it's kind of sounds like the like, um the paramour

00:40:07.570 --> 00:40:10.690
song Yeah, yeah, olivia rodrigo. It's kind of

00:40:10.690 --> 00:40:12.809
that whole thing that I was like, oh this is

00:40:12.809 --> 00:40:16.690
cool that there's this person doing this like

00:40:16.690 --> 00:40:20.929
Sound that like was way popular back then but

00:40:20.929 --> 00:40:25.869
you know now is maybe not um so yeah, I it popped

00:40:25.869 --> 00:40:28.690
up and Thought it was cool. And then yeah, I

00:40:28.690 --> 00:40:32.500
saw her. Um her like cover of his favorite Christmas

00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:38.039
story and I like those two songs are like really

00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:42.800
like um I get like special for me so I'm like

00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:45.179
man it takes a lot whenever you start covering

00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:49.039
like songs that like other people regard as like

00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:53.800
really good because it's easy to like mess like

00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:57.300
mess them up or kind of like push fans away so

00:40:57.739 --> 00:41:00.119
Well, you and her obviously listen to a lot of

00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.539
the same music. So that works in her favor. Me

00:41:04.539 --> 00:41:07.019
and Grace. Yeah. We're on a first name basis.

00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.000
So Ms. Graber. I guess we're going to have her

00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:14.940
on the podcast. You know, who knows? She might

00:41:14.940 --> 00:41:19.219
say yes. Yeah. You never know. Yeah. Well, what

00:41:19.219 --> 00:41:21.820
I like about this is it is something that's new

00:41:21.820 --> 00:41:23.380
and that's current. And so it's fun for us to

00:41:23.380 --> 00:41:26.019
be able to talk about Um, something like that.

00:41:26.179 --> 00:41:29.199
I hadn't really had much of an exposure to her.

00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.500
I remember I think a while back you told me when

00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:36.219
the single was out, but maybe not the EP to this.

00:41:36.219 --> 00:41:39.039
Um, because I, it was actually already in my

00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.800
Apple music library that everything you ever

00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:46.480
wanted song when it came out. Um, and so I remembered

00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:49.440
listening to it and then I had heard the lemonade

00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:53.199
cover. Um, but, um, being able to sit down and

00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:56.019
listen to this EP was something, um, new for

00:41:56.019 --> 00:41:59.360
me that I hadn't done yet. And so, um, so it's

00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:05.059
fun to get to hear like a 2026 what is pop punk,

00:42:05.059 --> 00:42:11.360
um, in the year of our Lord 2026, um, or 2025,

00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.760
I guess, technically, but, um, but so it's, it's

00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.780
fun. I'm excited to dig into it and talk through

00:42:16.780 --> 00:42:20.289
this with you guys. So you ready? All right.

00:42:20.289 --> 00:42:23.409
Let's talk about track one pressure. Jordan,

00:42:23.469 --> 00:42:27.030
why don't you lead us in your thoughts? I feel

00:42:27.030 --> 00:42:32.050
like I, I like it. It's very much like a reminiscent

00:42:32.050 --> 00:42:38.429
song. Um, and it kind of reminds like, I think

00:42:38.429 --> 00:42:41.550
it's, it sort of reminds me a little bit of fly

00:42:41.550 --> 00:42:43.949
leaf, but I think it's just the like whale -y

00:42:43.949 --> 00:42:47.110
guitars on it. I really liked the guitars and

00:42:47.110 --> 00:42:50.550
there's, um, There's one part where it's like

00:42:50.550 --> 00:42:53.010
everything backs out and then it's just guitar

00:42:53.010 --> 00:42:57.530
and it's like I like that part. Yeah, that's

00:42:57.530 --> 00:43:00.230
all I got for that one. I didn't make a lot of

00:43:00.230 --> 00:43:03.369
notes on this one. Jordan's too busy enjoying

00:43:03.369 --> 00:43:06.949
the song. Yeah. Brandon, what did you think about

00:43:06.949 --> 00:43:14.420
it? Yeah, I I really enjoy this. I feel like

00:43:14.420 --> 00:43:17.480
the approach to like a release being a concert

00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:21.360
like really fit this because it kind of this

00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:24.079
kind of made me think of like at Winter Jam you

00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.360
have these or they used to haven't been to Winter

00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:29.679
Jam probably 10 years, but it used to have these

00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.780
like New artists spotlight. They would have like

00:43:32.780 --> 00:43:35.699
15 minutes. So they have to cram everything they

00:43:35.699 --> 00:43:40.579
can into that show Feel like it it does a really

00:43:40.579 --> 00:43:44.679
good job of from the bat. I'm like, yeah, I I'm

00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:50.219
enjoying this I really like the intro It feels

00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:54.539
it feels genuine, too Like it doesn't feel like

00:43:54.539 --> 00:43:58.500
it's Let me just do this because people are like

00:43:58.500 --> 00:44:02.039
applauding or no one else is doing this I I can

00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.559
go grab like it it feels as though she's like

00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:09.280
this is when I step behind the microphone or

00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:12.219
whatever, this is the music I want to make. Yeah.

00:44:12.219 --> 00:44:15.659
Yeah. Yeah. The first note that I have on this

00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:18.599
is that I like her voice. Um, I think it fits

00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:21.159
well with what she's trying to do. I did note

00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:25.199
on this that it felt more pop than punk. Um,

00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.980
and so, and, but later on, like there's big guitars

00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:31.519
kick in, um, but they're not really punk rock

00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:33.900
guitars. They're more just like rock guitars.

00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.760
And so, Um, but I do like those guitars and they

00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:41.000
kick in. I think the strings are cool. Um, my

00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:44.260
it, the production's good. I think it fits really

00:44:44.260 --> 00:44:47.019
well with what, when you're talking about pop

00:44:47.019 --> 00:44:50.539
punk, um, I mean, you, you want something that's

00:44:50.539 --> 00:44:52.840
like pretty well produced. That's pretty slick

00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.500
sounding. And so I think it fits really well.

00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.139
Um, but there's also some creative elements happening

00:44:59.139 --> 00:45:01.800
along the way. My favorite thing about this song

00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:04.800
is the line. Every day's a step on the stairway

00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.920
to heaven. Um, I just thought that was a cool

00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:12.719
a cool line, but yeah, I liked that I like that

00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:18.000
one too Yeah, um next we move to run Um, joel

00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.460
what were your thoughts on run? Yeah, so this

00:45:20.460 --> 00:45:23.860
is more pop punk feeling. Um, I feel like we're

00:45:23.860 --> 00:45:27.840
we're in the in the genre right now um, I think

00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:31.039
that um, the pre -chorus and the chorus to this

00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:35.159
one are cool Um, really good melodies that are

00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:38.539
happening there. Um, there's a lead guitar that

00:45:38.539 --> 00:45:41.840
kicks in after the first chorus that I thought

00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:45.320
was cool. And then like a drop to just guitar

00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:48.340
and vocal, like during the second verse, um,

00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:52.820
which was just a cool change. Um, and so I thought,

00:45:53.059 --> 00:45:54.659
yeah, I thought there were some cool creative

00:45:54.659 --> 00:45:57.320
elements at play. Um, here's the thing about

00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:01.010
pop punk. It's really easy for it just to kind

00:46:01.010 --> 00:46:05.210
of all run together. Yeah feel samey But she

00:46:05.210 --> 00:46:08.489
does enough like creative changes to like keep

00:46:08.489 --> 00:46:11.809
it fresh on a song like this. And so I enjoyed

00:46:11.809 --> 00:46:16.989
it Jordan I liked it. I liked her vocals in it.

00:46:17.289 --> 00:46:20.909
I feel like they were a little bit more like

00:46:20.909 --> 00:46:27.869
pop punk sounding In this one and I I like Had

00:46:27.869 --> 00:46:32.070
like just the whole idea of how like she's running

00:46:32.070 --> 00:46:36.230
Like at first she was running away, but now she's

00:46:36.230 --> 00:46:40.769
running to God. Yeah, and Even like through all

00:46:40.769 --> 00:46:43.389
of the sweat like she says that sweat on my face.

00:46:43.409 --> 00:46:48.809
You're still there for me and Just how like it's

00:46:48.809 --> 00:46:53.550
it's about a struggle and a lot of a lot of artists

00:46:53.550 --> 00:46:56.550
they want to like make the song that's like,

00:46:56.750 --> 00:46:59.670
oh yeah, I don't struggle because I know Jesus.

00:47:00.309 --> 00:47:04.050
Or it's like this whole big thing of like, yeah,

00:47:04.050 --> 00:47:06.090
I struggle all the time because I'm following

00:47:06.090 --> 00:47:08.550
Jesus. And I feel like this is kind of like middle

00:47:08.550 --> 00:47:11.550
of the road where it's like, hey, I've struggled,

00:47:11.610 --> 00:47:15.289
but I also have goodness in my life. Cause it

00:47:15.289 --> 00:47:18.429
talks about like, I'm gonna breathe and run to

00:47:18.429 --> 00:47:22.329
you just like on the first day that I believed

00:47:22.329 --> 00:47:25.630
in who you are. So I think that's pretty cool.

00:47:26.309 --> 00:47:29.909
Yeah, I like that she changes up a little bit.

00:47:30.309 --> 00:47:33.150
And I was kind of laughing to myself because

00:47:33.150 --> 00:47:37.230
my notes it auto corrected. So this is what this

00:47:37.230 --> 00:47:40.510
is what my notes say. This may be unpopular,

00:47:40.889 --> 00:47:46.579
but pop punk can be receptive. What what I meant

00:47:46.579 --> 00:47:50.639
to say is repetitive So, I don't know if it's

00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.280
unpopular opinion not unpopular I think that's

00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:56.639
the same thing but so yeah, so I appreciate the

00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:00.440
changes When you aren't being like fed the same

00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.099
recipe over and over. Yeah Because like like

00:48:04.099 --> 00:48:06.639
I said earlier, I feel like a lot of times like

00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:10.320
when when it works It's such an incredible genre,

00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:14.539
but other times it turns into and I mean there's

00:48:14.539 --> 00:48:18.219
been bands before where it'll like there'll be

00:48:18.219 --> 00:48:20.019
like four different bands and I think it's one

00:48:20.019 --> 00:48:24.059
band because of how their stuff sounds so it's

00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:26.639
kind of like if someone was to ask me what's

00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:30.099
the difference between band a and band b I wouldn't

00:48:30.099 --> 00:48:32.420
be able to tell them you know other than well

00:48:32.420 --> 00:48:34.420
these people are from Canada and these people

00:48:34.420 --> 00:48:38.480
are from Michigan you know or whatever um but

00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:42.199
yeah I felt like it was um It was really cool

00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:46.000
to uh have that little bit of change. Um, so

00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.380
you don't start getting tired of hearing it Yeah,

00:48:49.380 --> 00:48:51.679
that's good. That's good. It's a good one All

00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.820
right. Well track three is the cover and the

00:48:54.820 --> 00:48:58.039
self like the title track for the ep everything

00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:01.559
you ever wanted Jordan what'd you think about

00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:05.079
this cover? I loved it, which I love the original

00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:10.159
hawk nelson is a favorite of mine um, I feel

00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:14.639
like I've always loved Honk Nelson, but I liked

00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:20.340
this take. Is it better? No. But is it equal?

00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:24.699
Yes. I would say it's right there with the original.

00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:33.199
I liked the, almost like the screams that are

00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:37.000
on there towards the end. Um, which I think it's

00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.739
like the guy that's on their audio file. I've

00:49:39.739 --> 00:49:42.159
never heard of him, but maybe I would like him.

00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:46.179
I need to look into him more. But um, like the

00:49:46.179 --> 00:49:49.639
screams at the end, I really liked that and I

00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:52.760
liked that. Um, I don't know. I just, it was

00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:57.059
more punchy than the original. I did like that,

00:49:57.059 --> 00:50:02.059
but I feel like it's, I like it is equally as

00:50:02.059 --> 00:50:06.019
I do the original. Sometimes when you hear a

00:50:06.019 --> 00:50:09.940
cover of a song that you know, well, it's interesting

00:50:09.940 --> 00:50:12.760
how it can bring like new life to it in ways

00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.019
that you haven't thought about it before. And

00:50:15.019 --> 00:50:16.880
so I think for me listening to it, I mean, I

00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:19.900
knew the Hawk Nelson song too, and I always enjoyed

00:50:19.900 --> 00:50:22.460
that song, but I think even listening to this,

00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.960
it made me like appreciate that song even more

00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.099
because I'm like, this is a good, it's a great

00:50:28.099 --> 00:50:34.269
song. Like a really standout song that that Hawk

00:50:34.269 --> 00:50:37.690
Nelson wrote and and I think this is a good a

00:50:37.690 --> 00:50:41.650
good a good great cover of it too. It doesn't

00:50:41.650 --> 00:50:46.889
stray like crazily from the original but It fits

00:50:46.889 --> 00:50:48.769
with like the production of the record, which

00:50:48.769 --> 00:50:51.070
the production of this is much different from

00:50:51.070 --> 00:50:53.409
the production of the Hawk Nelson album. And

00:50:53.409 --> 00:50:55.650
so it's almost like it's bringing it into a new

00:50:55.650 --> 00:50:59.130
era, but still keeping like the things that made

00:50:59.130 --> 00:51:03.070
the song good, the song. And so I liked that.

00:51:03.110 --> 00:51:04.849
And I knew that the screaming at the end too,

00:51:04.889 --> 00:51:06.070
because I'm like, hey, we're getting a little

00:51:06.070 --> 00:51:11.010
edgy here. Yeah. I also really enjoyed the screams

00:51:11.010 --> 00:51:15.909
to Sarah at the bat. I think it's such a it's

00:51:15.909 --> 00:51:20.809
so tough to cover such an iconic song and I think

00:51:20.809 --> 00:51:24.269
for with this song it's kind of in that same

00:51:24.269 --> 00:51:29.010
group as a um uh like a dare you to move by switch

00:51:29.010 --> 00:51:31.449
foot like you just have this group of people

00:51:31.449 --> 00:51:35.429
that they're like this this is my song like this

00:51:35.429 --> 00:51:39.969
is and I think those songs are because that that's

00:51:39.969 --> 00:51:42.269
the same way like a dare you to move like it

00:51:42.269 --> 00:51:48.300
would be It'd be so hard to recreate that song

00:51:48.300 --> 00:51:51.380
and have the fans that grew up with Switchfoots

00:51:51.380 --> 00:51:55.179
to love or to think that it's better or the same

00:51:55.179 --> 00:52:00.219
as. But I think that they did such a good job

00:52:00.219 --> 00:52:02.099
of keeping the heart of the song while putting

00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:05.059
a new spin on, kind of echoing what y 'all said.

00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:09.260
I think the screams work well. And I think that

00:52:09.260 --> 00:52:14.480
the multiple voices It was cool because like

00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:18.239
I said it reminded me of This is the song that

00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:20.559
when you're in person you have songs like friend

00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.940
like that that people are singing but like this

00:52:22.940 --> 00:52:25.719
is the song you have people like in tears being

00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:30.980
like you This is my story and so I think there's

00:52:30.980 --> 00:52:33.380
just there's something cool about having voices

00:52:33.380 --> 00:52:36.659
because I think back to like You know, I think

00:52:36.659 --> 00:52:39.900
I keep referring back to like dare you to move

00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:43.519
Feel like that voice is like, you know, if you

00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:45.960
had different people like singing with it it

00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:50.159
would add to it as well So I think that the having

00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.400
like two different vocalist on it does a lot

00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:58.400
for the track And then we move to our final song

00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:02.920
on here better now Joel what are your thoughts?

00:53:03.380 --> 00:53:05.780
Yeah, I think this is my favorite track on the

00:53:05.780 --> 00:53:10.219
record It's cool because when you think about

00:53:10.219 --> 00:53:12.420
what the album is like like she's coming out

00:53:12.420 --> 00:53:15.320
of a hard season and what I could learn about

00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:18.679
Grace Graber is She's done a lot in the world

00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.400
of like faith and mental health. Yeah, and that's

00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:25.400
a big theme for her and her music and so I felt

00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:28.559
like this was a good cap to the EP since this

00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:31.059
EP is like coming out of a hard season. Yeah,

00:53:31.059 --> 00:53:35.820
it's not that like It's not that like oh everything's

00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:40.820
fixed and perfect. But there's hope in it still

00:53:40.820 --> 00:53:46.300
that things are better now because she can just

00:53:46.300 --> 00:53:49.440
realize and trust that God is her hope in the

00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.519
midst of a tough season. I thought the chorus

00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.219
was great. I love the palm muting that's happening.

00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:58.320
It feels very punk rock. There's a great lead

00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:06.010
guitar that's at work here. Obviously, Track

00:54:06.010 --> 00:54:07.929
number three might everything you ever wanted

00:54:07.929 --> 00:54:12.610
might be like the The like the really standout

00:54:12.610 --> 00:54:14.829
track of the record. Yeah, but as far as like

00:54:14.829 --> 00:54:17.449
the original songs go on here I think this one

00:54:17.449 --> 00:54:23.530
is my favorite of them. So no I I would say pressure

00:54:23.530 --> 00:54:26.150
is my favorite but I did like this one and I

00:54:26.150 --> 00:54:30.070
I feel like this one was very Reliant K ish.

00:54:30.070 --> 00:54:34.110
I feel like the sounds of it reminded me of like

00:54:34.329 --> 00:54:40.670
some old school Reliant K. But I liked the message

00:54:40.670 --> 00:54:44.829
of it of like, I've been in a dark place and

00:54:44.829 --> 00:54:49.130
I felt like I had no hope at all. But now I'm

00:54:49.130 --> 00:54:53.590
starting to realize, no, it's OK. God's on my

00:54:53.590 --> 00:54:56.150
side. But it's still like she's not there yet.

00:54:56.489 --> 00:55:00.550
She's better, but she's not there. And so I think

00:55:00.550 --> 00:55:03.730
just like saying, hey, it's OK to be processing.

00:55:04.420 --> 00:55:08.380
And working through the thing because we're all

00:55:08.380 --> 00:55:11.179
on a journey. We are all we all have a story

00:55:11.179 --> 00:55:15.239
to tell And we're getting there day by day. Mm

00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:18.699
-hmm. So I like that message. It's good Yeah,

00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:23.159
I um, I I really love the course of this song

00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:26.920
Like I was telling Jordan last night. I was like,

00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:30.280
I just feel like this is like I could be having

00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:33.340
the the roughest day, but this song would just

00:55:33.340 --> 00:55:38.159
like like lift up my spirits um i also really

00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:43.019
like that she like ends with this because it's

00:55:43.019 --> 00:55:47.059
kind of like i go back to like the whole concert

00:55:47.059 --> 00:55:50.159
like example like i feel like if i went to a

00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:53.780
concert and a band ends with a cover of another

00:55:53.780 --> 00:55:57.679
band i kind of think that's how we're ending

00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.480
is you just saying hey we did some cool stuff

00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:04.329
but nothing beats what you know this band did

00:56:04.329 --> 00:56:10.489
like 20 years ago. So I think that just the layout

00:56:10.489 --> 00:56:15.409
of the EP shines so much because I definitely

00:56:15.409 --> 00:56:19.510
think this EP would not be as good if this song

00:56:19.510 --> 00:56:22.849
was at the beginning or you know whatever. I

00:56:22.849 --> 00:56:25.730
think like y 'all said there's this really cool

00:56:25.730 --> 00:56:32.710
kind of shift in this journey and Yeah, I think

00:56:32.710 --> 00:56:35.469
we're kind of moving into thoughts about it I

00:56:35.469 --> 00:56:38.989
think that this EP to be so short it covers so

00:56:38.989 --> 00:56:43.110
much like it's kind of surprising me how much

00:56:43.110 --> 00:56:47.809
She was able to fit in to only four songs is

00:56:47.809 --> 00:56:50.030
I feel like there's nothing here that's like

00:56:50.030 --> 00:56:52.969
Repetitive like I'm getting four different songs

00:56:52.969 --> 00:56:56.670
and all So yeah, I felt like there was a really

00:56:56.670 --> 00:57:01.650
really cool way to end the EP I feel like to

00:57:01.650 --> 00:57:05.570
touch on like song order, I feel like that's

00:57:05.570 --> 00:57:08.929
such a big thing with this EP because it's like

00:57:08.929 --> 00:57:11.489
you start off with pressure. It's like I have

00:57:11.489 --> 00:57:13.789
all of this pressure on me and I feel like I'm

00:57:13.789 --> 00:57:17.510
crumbling under the pressure, but then I'm gonna

00:57:17.510 --> 00:57:21.829
run away from my problems, but also I need to

00:57:21.829 --> 00:57:25.869
run towards God because He can handle that pressure,

00:57:26.210 --> 00:57:29.989
but then also I'm I kind of teeter back and forth

00:57:29.989 --> 00:57:32.670
between the comparison game because I want to

00:57:32.670 --> 00:57:35.730
be everything that you need But I know that I

00:57:35.730 --> 00:57:39.389
can't be but I'm gonna try but then it's like

00:57:39.389 --> 00:57:42.150
you have that realization that you don't need

00:57:42.150 --> 00:57:45.190
to be everything and Things are gonna get better.

00:57:45.369 --> 00:57:48.469
Yeah better now. Yeah, so I feel like it tells

00:57:48.469 --> 00:57:53.449
the whole story of like mental health and How

00:57:53.449 --> 00:57:56.329
like it's you can just like Finish the EP and

00:57:56.329 --> 00:57:58.969
then start again because I feel like we constantly

00:57:58.969 --> 00:58:01.989
go in that circle of like We we start to feel

00:58:01.989 --> 00:58:04.550
the pressure and then we run away and run towards

00:58:04.550 --> 00:58:07.949
God and then yeah It's just like you can continue

00:58:07.949 --> 00:58:11.090
to do it over and over again. Yeah, that's good

00:58:11.090 --> 00:58:16.369
Yeah, I I think that I'm thankful that this was

00:58:16.369 --> 00:58:19.949
my first like exposure to her music and kind

00:58:19.949 --> 00:58:23.190
of like Form beyond like just listening to a

00:58:23.190 --> 00:58:27.789
song Um, because I think it worked really well,

00:58:27.789 --> 00:58:31.369
um, for me, uh, especially in short firm form.

00:58:31.469 --> 00:58:34.170
And I think now, now I'll be ready to like listen

00:58:34.170 --> 00:58:37.829
to something a little more lengthy, um, from

00:58:37.829 --> 00:58:41.909
her, um, just because I was able to enjoy getting,

00:58:42.449 --> 00:58:45.610
getting that kind of brief, brief nature of this.

00:58:45.769 --> 00:58:48.030
And I think that if the first thing that I listened

00:58:48.030 --> 00:58:50.809
to would have been a 12 track record. then it

00:58:50.809 --> 00:58:53.130
probably would have like worn on me after a little

00:58:53.130 --> 00:58:56.230
while. And I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it

00:58:56.230 --> 00:58:58.710
as much as I enjoyed just like these four songs

00:58:58.710 --> 00:59:02.030
together, which I thought were all like pretty

00:59:02.030 --> 00:59:05.929
strong. And so the fact that it's short, I think

00:59:05.929 --> 00:59:08.510
worked for me as an introduction, especially.

00:59:09.070 --> 00:59:11.730
And so I'm going to go ahead and give this a

00:59:11.730 --> 00:59:15.210
four because I really, I really enjoyed it. And

00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:19.199
And I'll be excited to dig into more of her music

00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.179
along the way and see what comes of it. So, yeah.

00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:26.159
I'm going to give it a four point two. There

00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:30.880
you go. Yeah, I like it. I feel like it's it's

00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:34.380
a good introduction to who she is. And I feel

00:59:34.380 --> 00:59:39.039
like it it tells the story of like an album,

00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:42.059
basically. But yeah, it's like a condensed form.

00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:46.820
So yeah, I feel like she covers a lot in it So

00:59:46.820 --> 00:59:51.860
yeah 4 .2 I think um So I I thought a lot about

00:59:51.860 --> 00:59:54.599
this because like me and Joel talked and i'm

00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:57.719
like and I was gonna be 10 songs you automatically

00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:01.380
get points off if you're not this and honestly,

01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:06.860
I think that An ep could never kind of get above

01:00:06.860 --> 01:00:11.139
like a four like I think in my scale because

01:00:11.139 --> 01:00:14.860
it's just To me, like, it's hard to say, okay,

01:00:15.059 --> 01:00:18.579
this four song EP you did is on the same level

01:00:18.579 --> 01:00:24.619
as this 13 song, you know, album. But you have

01:00:24.619 --> 01:00:28.039
to rate it as a four song EP. Yeah. So I feel

01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:32.840
like taking your advice on it. I think for me,

01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:36.960
it's it's five stars. Just because like there

01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.739
wasn't anything about it that I felt like. I

01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:44.179
could like nitpick and like change or there wasn't

01:00:44.179 --> 01:00:46.699
a song that I feel like didn't like I feel like

01:00:46.699 --> 01:00:51.260
this EP does Like even just the weird rules I

01:00:51.260 --> 01:00:53.679
have about like what if this was a concert cuz

01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:56.280
I'm like if this is a concert I would be delighted

01:00:56.280 --> 01:01:00.420
for this to be the opening, you know act So yeah,

01:01:00.420 --> 01:01:03.500
that's that's what I'm going with. That's cool

01:01:03.500 --> 01:01:05.980
Is that the second five -star rating on the podcast

01:01:05.980 --> 01:01:10.420
ever? Grace Graber cable price and friends If

01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:14.519
your band starts with a G, so if we ever do any

01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:18.659
Garth Brooks stuff, get ready. Garfunkel. Brandon

01:01:18.659 --> 01:01:21.820
so far has given out the only two five stars.

01:01:24.500 --> 01:01:29.780
Just wait till that Eugene Peterson album. Am

01:01:29.780 --> 01:01:33.099
I mixing it up? Eugene Peterson is a writer.

01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:35.840
I don't know. Oh, I'm forgetting the guy's name.

01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.679
He did the Rich Mollins thing. Andrew Peterson.

01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:46.500
One of them Peterson boys. Yeah, no, I don't

01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:48.099
mean I don't think I would give that a five,

01:01:48.860 --> 01:01:51.639
but one of these days a five for me is coming.

01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:54.699
So we'll just have to be surprised and wait and

01:01:54.699 --> 01:01:57.980
see when it happens. It'll be a random like unexpected

01:01:57.980 --> 01:02:01.820
album that you give five stars. Maybe. Yeah.

01:02:02.739 --> 01:02:05.440
I feel like that's one thing I appreciate is

01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.829
that Like both of the things so far that's gotten

01:02:08.829 --> 01:02:11.349
a five -star has been released in the past two

01:02:11.349 --> 01:02:15.809
years and I think that for so many people they

01:02:15.809 --> 01:02:18.829
hear like these older albums we go through and

01:02:18.829 --> 01:02:20.269
they're like well that's when music was good

01:02:20.269 --> 01:02:24.550
like the 90s or the 2000s and I feel like it's

01:02:24.550 --> 01:02:28.550
just such a testament to like There's there are

01:02:28.550 --> 01:02:32.070
bands out there now that are producing like amazing

01:02:32.070 --> 01:02:35.590
stuff You know, and I just look at like even

01:02:35.590 --> 01:02:38.219
our top 10 list. Like, I recommend people listening

01:02:38.219 --> 01:02:41.159
to that because, I mean, I feel like there was

01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.679
like one or two albums that were on the same,

01:02:43.860 --> 01:02:47.559
but I mean, there was like eight, I would say

01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:50.099
probably eight or seven of the albums you listed.

01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:52.699
I'm like, I've never heard of that person or

01:02:52.699 --> 01:02:55.440
I've never listened to that album. And it's just

01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:59.079
like cool to think that that's, you know, a combined

01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:03.039
17 or 18 albums that last year that both me and

01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:05.579
you were like... you need to go listen to this

01:03:05.579 --> 01:03:09.320
it's that good so I feel like that's cool just

01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:11.860
kind of looking at how there's still good music

01:03:11.860 --> 01:03:15.000
out there yeah I do love that too and I'm really

01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:18.500
excited for what is to come this year and what

01:03:18.500 --> 01:03:21.619
new might pop into our ears that we can enjoy

01:03:21.619 --> 01:03:25.380
along the way so let's talk a little bit about

01:03:25.380 --> 01:03:41.210
the lyric of the week Our lyric comes from pressure.

01:03:41.690 --> 01:03:44.070
It is, the pressure I'm under takes my breath

01:03:44.070 --> 01:03:47.289
away every single day. I've lost all my wonder,

01:03:47.570 --> 01:03:50.510
but I see your praise in the simple things, in

01:03:50.510 --> 01:03:55.349
the simple things. That's cool. I really like

01:03:55.349 --> 01:03:58.530
that I've lost all my wonder line. I feel like

01:03:58.530 --> 01:04:02.389
that's just been a thing I've heard a lot recently

01:04:02.389 --> 01:04:06.809
is like how we're losing our wonder. So, yeah.

01:04:07.070 --> 01:04:08.889
I think that's pretty cool. It's easy for us

01:04:08.889 --> 01:04:11.190
to forget. I mean, I think it's just like on

01:04:11.190 --> 01:04:14.230
a Sunday morning, you think about how like many

01:04:14.230 --> 01:04:16.510
times you miss like the little things. Yeah.

01:04:16.510 --> 01:04:20.889
And so. Yeah, that's really good. That's such

01:04:20.889 --> 01:04:24.429
a key idea because I do think that we forget

01:04:24.429 --> 01:04:27.750
not just the blessings that we experience from

01:04:27.750 --> 01:04:31.630
God on a consistent basis, but we lose the wonder

01:04:31.630 --> 01:04:34.969
of the gospel and the good news of it. And so

01:04:35.799 --> 01:04:38.260
Um, yeah, it's always a good reminder to us to

01:04:38.260 --> 01:04:40.900
be able to hold out on that. So it's really good.

01:04:41.019 --> 01:04:43.659
Jordan, thanks for joining us again. Thanks for

01:04:43.659 --> 01:04:46.300
having me. It's always a pleasure. I'm thankful

01:04:46.300 --> 01:04:49.219
that we get to invite you on for these, um, pop

01:04:49.219 --> 01:04:52.119
punk and whatever else. Hey, I love pop punk.

01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:55.320
So, and I love talking about it. That's awesome.

01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:59.079
Uh, anywhere that you want people to come and

01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:01.460
find you on the interwebs. Oh, I thought you

01:05:01.460 --> 01:05:04.900
were just going to say, come and find me. Um,

01:05:05.070 --> 01:05:11.250
I have Instagram. I am JoJoTheWizard257. I'm

01:05:11.250 --> 01:05:15.110
on Facebook, JordanNoellLorek, and I'm on TikTok

01:05:15.110 --> 01:05:21.630
too. I think I'm JoNolo257, so check me out.

01:05:21.730 --> 01:05:23.849
She'll be on The Tonight Show this Thursday.

01:05:24.670 --> 01:05:28.610
With musical guest, Grace Kraber. I will not

01:05:28.610 --> 01:05:31.829
be joining you on TikTok, but I'm pretty sure

01:05:31.829 --> 01:05:33.309
I'll follow you on Instagram and we're friends

01:05:33.309 --> 01:05:35.679
on Facebook, so it works out. Yeah. That's good.

01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:39.440
That's good. Well, we're super excited that you

01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:42.820
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