WEBVTT 00:00:02.029 --> 00:00:32.520 Are you listening Well, hey, are you listening? 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:35.340 This is a podcast exploring the past, present 00:00:35.340 --> 00:00:38.200 and future of Christian music. My name is Joel, 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:41.000 and I'm here with my good friend, Brandon. We 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:43.320 connected over a mutual love of some particular 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:46.060 artists, but also have kind of different tastes 00:00:46.060 --> 00:00:48.740 from each other. And so we get to expose each 00:00:48.740 --> 00:00:51.520 other to new stuff while inviting some friends 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:54.619 along for the ride. Brandon, you have a friend 00:00:54.619 --> 00:00:59.100 who is here with us today. So this friend, his 00:00:59.100 --> 00:01:02.880 name is Zach. and we met in college. I wrote 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:05.980 down Zach's passions, or some of these are, is 00:01:05.980 --> 00:01:12.579 helping people, music, and bow jangles. Zach, 00:01:12.780 --> 00:01:14.680 if you'd like to explain to people that might 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:17.420 not be familiar with the bow jangles, because 00:01:17.420 --> 00:01:20.040 Zach actually lives out in California, so I feel 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:22.959 like you often have to explain to people what 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:29.299 a bow jangle is. So, for those listening outside 00:01:29.299 --> 00:01:33.299 of the Southeast, a Bojangles is perhaps one 00:01:33.299 --> 00:01:36.299 of the better, if not the best chicken place 00:01:36.299 --> 00:01:43.620 that I have ever been to. A classic. If you've 00:01:43.620 --> 00:01:45.900 lived in the South for long enough, you've known, 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.640 like, my granddaddy goes to that Bojangles and 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.739 sits with his boys, you know, three mornings 00:01:52.739 --> 00:01:54.900 out of the week, gets a black cup of coffee and 00:01:54.900 --> 00:01:58.609 a... and a chicken biscuit and calls it a day. 00:01:59.969 --> 00:02:04.629 I love that because I feel like Bojangles doesn't 00:02:04.629 --> 00:02:07.870 get enough respect in South Carolina for whatever 00:02:07.870 --> 00:02:11.289 reason. I used to live in North Carolina and 00:02:11.289 --> 00:02:14.409 in North Carolina everybody is obsessed with 00:02:14.409 --> 00:02:18.689 Bojangles. It's like the place to be. The drive 00:02:18.689 --> 00:02:21.909 -through lines are always insane and so we grew 00:02:21.909 --> 00:02:24.000 to love it. uh, because we moved from Mississippi, 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.460 we grew to Levitt and then moved from North Carolina 00:02:26.460 --> 00:02:28.659 to South Carolina and there's Bojangles, but 00:02:28.659 --> 00:02:31.360 like people like aren't, it's not like a big 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:34.080 deal and I'm like, what's wrong with you people? 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:40.180 It is good stuff. But yeah, we're super excited 00:02:40.180 --> 00:02:42.300 to have you on Zach. So thank you so much for 00:02:42.300 --> 00:02:45.560 joining us today. Of course. Is there anything 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:48.259 that we need to know about you guys and your, 00:02:48.300 --> 00:02:52.240 um, How do you know each other? Like, give us 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:57.659 some background info. So yeah, we met in like 00:02:57.659 --> 00:03:00.979 a... I think it was a theater production, like 00:03:00.979 --> 00:03:03.639 our friend Ariel was doing. Either that or Improv, 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:07.020 one of those two. Yeah, I think it was Improv 00:03:07.020 --> 00:03:10.759 first and then Ariel caught me for the production, 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:15.400 but... And the earliest memory I have of Zack 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:18.979 is we found out we both love Bojangles. And so 00:03:18.979 --> 00:03:22.139 I'm like, I still have these. For whatever reason, 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:26.020 when we had downtime, I would just go film these 00:03:26.020 --> 00:03:31.139 little shorts of Zack coming from inside a small... 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.460 hidden closet or him like turning around the 00:03:34.460 --> 00:03:36.379 corner and i'd be like sir do you know what time 00:03:36.379 --> 00:03:38.699 it is and he would just say bow time so that 00:03:38.699 --> 00:03:40.919 was always just the joke is that whatever i asked 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:45.479 him he would just be like bow time but and we 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:48.060 thought it was hilarious and now that i say it 00:03:48.060 --> 00:03:52.139 out loud it kind of sounds weird or strange but 00:03:52.139 --> 00:03:55.139 um i think we have a real missed opportunity 00:03:55.139 --> 00:03:57.639 we could be eating bojangles while we record 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:00.639 this episode right now yeah i i think so yeah 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.560 think about that i should have reached out to 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:05.180 them make for a really nice soundscape on the 00:04:05.180 --> 00:04:08.639 podcast i um i think this was when we were talking 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:12.080 about sharing a story because before we recorded 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:16.279 zakat brought up um there's been a lot of times 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:18.639 where i'll just say something like random and 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.160 i'll just like joke with people and see oh i 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:23.600 wonder if they believe this and usually i'm pretty 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.959 good at saying like Oh, that was a lie. Like 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:28.899 one time I told someone at Charleston Southern 00:04:28.899 --> 00:04:31.680 that the entire college was underwater for 100 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:34.319 years. But then when the water when the great 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.360 flood receded, like everything was still intact. 00:04:37.899 --> 00:04:40.439 And they believed me. And I was like, no, no, 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:43.279 I'm just I'm messing with you. But there was 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:47.319 one time that Zach came to visit our apartment. 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:49.920 And I made a comment to him about like, oh, don't 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:55.009 use the bathroom after 11 o 'clock. because the 00:04:55.009 --> 00:04:59.050 way the pipes run, it'll run through our friend 00:04:59.050 --> 00:05:01.790 Andrew's bedroom and wake him up. And so now 00:05:01.790 --> 00:05:04.930 the way this apartment was set up, I thought 00:05:04.930 --> 00:05:07.149 that like Zach would, I guess like Zach would 00:05:07.149 --> 00:05:09.110 put it together, it was nonsense because the 00:05:09.110 --> 00:05:12.709 bathroom, it like would have had to run like 00:05:12.709 --> 00:05:15.810 up the wall through the wall. Like it would not 00:05:15.810 --> 00:05:18.610 have made sense for the pipes to run here. So 00:05:18.610 --> 00:05:20.610 I didn't think anything of it. I thought, okay, 00:05:20.689 --> 00:05:23.069 Zach might like laugh, but he'll realize it. 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:26.819 Fast forward eventually Zach's moves in like 00:05:26.819 --> 00:05:29.560 once me once I got married another friend got 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.040 married Zach moved into the apartment Yeah, and 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:36.699 I don't know how how long did it was it that 00:05:36.699 --> 00:05:40.060 you believe for this? It might have been two 00:05:40.060 --> 00:05:44.600 two or three months And so Zach was living in 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:48.329 this apartment and he truly believed lit I have 00:05:48.329 --> 00:05:51.009 to get everything done like by 11 o 'clock because 00:05:51.009 --> 00:05:53.129 I don't want to mess with our friend Andrew and 00:05:53.129 --> 00:05:56.189 mess up his sleep. And so when I found out about 00:05:56.189 --> 00:06:01.050 that, I felt so bad. I think even like Andrew 00:06:01.050 --> 00:06:04.410 was like, why are you doing that? That's weird. 00:06:04.529 --> 00:06:08.629 And so not only did Zach like have believed the 00:06:08.629 --> 00:06:11.269 absurd lie of mine, but then he was judged by 00:06:11.269 --> 00:06:13.649 other people for trying to be a good person. 00:06:14.110 --> 00:06:17.670 And that's the story of Zach's college life. 00:06:18.589 --> 00:06:20.829 It's almost like there's consequences for our 00:06:20.829 --> 00:06:25.029 words. It is true. This actually is just an intervention. 00:06:25.889 --> 00:06:30.290 We're not here to discuss an album. That's great. 00:06:30.750 --> 00:06:32.629 That's great. Well, Zach, we're pumped to have 00:06:32.629 --> 00:06:34.790 you here and I'm excited to get to spend some 00:06:34.790 --> 00:06:36.990 time getting to know you as we chat through this. 00:06:37.269 --> 00:06:41.560 So today, We are listening to an album that Zach 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:45.600 brings to us As one of his favorites the album 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:50.160 ending is beginning by the band down here So 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:51.879 I'm excited to get into that in just a little 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:55.480 bit But before we do that, let's talk a little 00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:02.910 bit about what's in the news All right. So I 00:07:02.910 --> 00:07:04.949 have a little bit of a journey for us to go on 00:07:04.949 --> 00:07:09.350 today for our news segment. Usually when we talk 00:07:09.350 --> 00:07:11.389 about what's in the news, we're talking about 00:07:11.389 --> 00:07:14.889 things that are actually happening in the world 00:07:14.889 --> 00:07:17.110 of Christian music. But today I want to spend 00:07:17.110 --> 00:07:20.189 some time talking about things that aren't happening 00:07:20.189 --> 00:07:22.930 in the world of Christian music. We're going 00:07:22.930 --> 00:07:28.399 to talk about fake news. And I know fake news 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:32.680 is like a political like whatever But I was shocked 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:35.360 over the last week to discover that there is 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:39.500 a lot of Christian music fake news out there 00:07:39.500 --> 00:07:42.120 on the internet. Did you know about this? I didn't 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:44.319 know about until you told me about it. I like 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:48.939 so I think what happened is I saw an article 00:07:48.939 --> 00:07:52.819 that I immediately was like started reading it 00:07:52.819 --> 00:07:55.970 and then I'm like That can't be true. And I clicked 00:07:55.970 --> 00:07:58.649 on it, which took me like deeper and gave me 00:07:58.649 --> 00:08:01.230 more. But then once you do something like that, 00:08:01.329 --> 00:08:03.889 your whole like newsfeed starts filling up with 00:08:03.889 --> 00:08:06.850 those kinds of things. And so now my whole Facebook 00:08:06.850 --> 00:08:09.050 feed is just like Christian music, fake news. 00:08:10.089 --> 00:08:14.490 And so I wanted to like give you guys some of 00:08:14.490 --> 00:08:17.889 it just to get your reaction to it and, um, and 00:08:17.889 --> 00:08:19.810 see what you think. Basically what's happening 00:08:19.810 --> 00:08:24.910 is there. It's like AI written stuff that's out 00:08:24.910 --> 00:08:28.189 there, articles about news about particular artists. 00:08:28.529 --> 00:08:31.589 And then you have hundreds or thousands of comments 00:08:31.589 --> 00:08:36.190 on these things from Christians who can't like 00:08:36.190 --> 00:08:39.029 discern that what's happening is not actually 00:08:39.029 --> 00:08:42.610 real. They believe that it's real. So I was going 00:08:42.610 --> 00:08:44.590 to give you some. So there's this one Facebook 00:08:44.590 --> 00:08:47.169 page called Made To Move, and I feel like this 00:08:47.169 --> 00:08:50.490 one, Brandon, is just so up your alley. You need 00:08:50.490 --> 00:08:53.929 to go click follow on this page because the whole 00:08:53.929 --> 00:08:56.909 page is about Toby Mac. I want to say real fast. 00:08:56.950 --> 00:08:59.730 I don't like that I just told a story about like 00:08:59.730 --> 00:09:02.210 lying and making up ridiculous stuff. And now 00:09:02.210 --> 00:09:07.269 we're talking about people who are bad. Well, 00:09:07.309 --> 00:09:10.149 I wonder Brandon if maybe you're the one that's 00:09:10.149 --> 00:09:13.750 behind this Toby Mac fake news page Me and Zach 00:09:13.750 --> 00:09:15.549 have been peddling fake Chris. That's how we 00:09:15.549 --> 00:09:18.789 make our pay for our rent Here's what I think's 00:09:18.789 --> 00:09:21.450 fascinating about this So if you go to this page 00:09:21.450 --> 00:09:23.509 made to move on Facebook, which you can go pull 00:09:23.509 --> 00:09:27.529 it up right now It's the intro of it says where 00:09:27.529 --> 00:09:30.509 faith doesn't stand still and hope gets loud 00:09:30.509 --> 00:09:33.850 Inspired by uplifting music bold belief and a 00:09:33.850 --> 00:09:36.690 life in motion We're made to move forward, live 00:09:36.690 --> 00:09:39.570 with purpose and shine light every day." So you're 00:09:39.570 --> 00:09:42.470 like, okay, that sounds like whatever. There's 00:09:42.470 --> 00:09:47.590 an actual address on here. I'm just going to 00:09:47.590 --> 00:09:53.049 say it. 178 Trouser Leg Road, Gobbles, Michigan. 00:09:55.250 --> 00:09:59.110 There's a phone number. What's his address again? 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:08.399 Phone number is four one three eight seven five 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:10.220 three three one four. I mean they're putting 00:10:10.220 --> 00:10:12.139 it out there I'm not afraid to put it out there 00:10:12.139 --> 00:10:16.500 either So I'm just gonna give you some examples 00:10:16.500 --> 00:10:22.820 of headlines off of this page, okay This is the 00:10:22.820 --> 00:10:27.700 first one that's on the page The cameras flashed 00:10:27.700 --> 00:10:30.419 awaiting the signature swagger of a Christian 00:10:30.419 --> 00:10:34.480 music icon launching a massive new tour Um, so 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:37.740 this is about Toby Mag launching a new tour and 00:10:37.740 --> 00:10:41.379 there's like AI pictures. Um, it's pretty funny 00:10:41.379 --> 00:10:45.259 because they don't even match what the, uh, what 00:10:45.259 --> 00:10:48.600 it's really about. Um, even though supposedly 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:51.480 he's giving away, according to this, every single 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.700 cent of his tour earnings, um, to build recovery 00:10:54.700 --> 00:10:57.100 centers and shelters. So I guess that's what 00:10:57.100 --> 00:10:58.659 some of the pictures are, but the pictures that 00:10:58.659 --> 00:11:00.559 they show for these news articles are clearly 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.440 like not Toby Mac. You can tell they're AI pictures. 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:11.679 So I don't even know who that this one is about. 00:11:12.100 --> 00:11:14.159 I'm going to skip past that one. Let me, let 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:23.279 me find, let me find a good one. All right. The 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:26.039 final drop. Tonight in Nashville, the air feels 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:29.159 different, heavier, yet electric with memory. 00:11:29.779 --> 00:11:31.759 Under the glare of the spotlights, Toby Mack 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:34.179 steps onto the stage and the roar of the crowd 00:11:34.179 --> 00:11:37.320 shifts instantly from excitement to a deep, reverent 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:41.460 hush. This isn't just a concert. It's the end 00:11:41.460 --> 00:11:45.419 of an era. Apparently, Toby Mack's quitting. 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:49.659 That's what that one is about. Then you have 00:11:49.659 --> 00:11:52.950 Netflix drops. Toby Mack, The Untold Story. the 00:11:52.950 --> 00:11:55.190 raw documentary that will change how you see 00:11:55.190 --> 00:11:59.110 the Christian legend forever. That's not real. 00:12:00.549 --> 00:12:03.549 Breaking news, Toby Mack hits deep world tour. 00:12:03.590 --> 00:12:06.070 Twenty twenty six just dropped thirty five dates 00:12:06.070 --> 00:12:08.809 across North America, Europe and Australia. Here's 00:12:08.809 --> 00:12:11.730 what you have to notice about this. They'll simultaneously 00:12:11.730 --> 00:12:14.309 run an article saying that he's quitting music 00:12:14.309 --> 00:12:17.350 and then run an article about a new tour that 00:12:17.350 --> 00:12:20.669 he's launching. So they're contradicting each 00:12:20.669 --> 00:12:27.600 other. This tour. um this tour there's buzzer 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:30.440 buzzing rumors that lecrae or former dc talk 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:34.279 bandmates may join um then you've got toby mack 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:37.080 and forest frank announce final farewell tour 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.799 40 cities legendary guests and goodbye and a 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:44.840 goodbye christian music will never forget um 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:49.159 then the different tour toby mack's going global 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:52.879 the mission is far from over Far from over. He's 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.460 not quitting picture. That's definitely not him 00:12:56.460 --> 00:12:59.820 Then the silence has been broken by poor four 00:12:59.820 --> 00:13:03.240 powerful words. I'm not done yet. So he's still 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:08.399 going Netflix again a different Toby Mack documentary. 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:11.039 This one's called the beat that never fades So 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.059 there's two different Toby Mack documentaries 00:13:13.059 --> 00:13:17.250 hitting Then you've got the day the music stopped. 00:13:17.549 --> 00:13:20.149 Toby Mack silences the view with a sermon they 00:13:20.149 --> 00:13:23.049 didn't ask for. There you go. Toby Mack walked 00:13:23.049 --> 00:13:25.509 onto the view set with the humble swagger of 00:13:25.509 --> 00:13:28.190 a man who has played thousands of arenas waving 00:13:28.190 --> 00:13:31.269 to the crowd. No one expected that just minutes 00:13:31.269 --> 00:13:33.669 later, the peace and love vibe would turn into 00:13:33.669 --> 00:13:37.409 a spiritual battlefield. No script anticipated 00:13:37.409 --> 00:13:40.889 it. No control room could stop it. In the moment, 00:13:41.029 --> 00:13:43.149 Whoopi Goldberg slammed her hand on the desk 00:13:43.149 --> 00:13:46.190 and shouted, We need to cut to commercial. Stop 00:13:46.190 --> 00:13:49.370 the preaching. The line had already been crossed. 00:13:50.169 --> 00:13:52.370 The PAX studio instantly turned into a pressure 00:13:52.370 --> 00:13:55.750 cooker. Every camera locked onto Toby Mack, no 00:13:55.750 --> 00:13:58.049 longer just a Christian music icon there to promote 00:13:58.049 --> 00:14:00.970 a tour, but a believer refusing to water down 00:14:00.970 --> 00:14:04.629 his message live on air. Toby adjusted his cap. 00:14:05.070 --> 00:14:08.289 No shouting. No theatrics, just the grounded, 00:14:08.509 --> 00:14:10.830 passionate calm of a man who has weathered loss 00:14:10.830 --> 00:14:13.730 of a son and spent 30 years championing a message. 00:14:13.769 --> 00:14:16.669 The world often mocks. Listen to me. Whoopie. 00:14:16.710 --> 00:14:19.129 Toby said his voice steady, but carrying the 00:14:19.129 --> 00:14:22.289 weight of a revival tent. You don't get to invite 00:14:22.289 --> 00:14:25.289 me here. Praise my positive vibes. And then immediately 00:14:25.289 --> 00:14:27.789 try to censor the name that gives me that joy. 00:14:28.070 --> 00:14:31.590 You want the fruit, but you hate the root studio. 00:14:32.649 --> 00:14:37.220 I can't keep going anyways. Toby Mac hasn't been 00:14:37.220 --> 00:14:39.960 on the view, at least as of late. The next one 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:45.139 is Toby Mac is recovering from surgery. So this 00:14:45.139 --> 00:14:48.059 page is just on and on multiple times a day, 00:14:48.100 --> 00:14:51.080 releasing new news articles about Toby Mac. And 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:52.659 what I think is fascinating about this, I'd love 00:14:52.659 --> 00:14:56.679 to get y 'all's take on this, is that somebody 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:01.940 is getting AI to write stories about Toby Mac. 00:15:01.980 --> 00:15:04.259 There's also a ton of pages about like Brandon 00:15:04.259 --> 00:15:07.620 Lake They're getting AI to write these stories 00:15:07.620 --> 00:15:11.320 that I think people want to hear About artists 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.059 the kinds of things that they think are gonna 00:15:13.059 --> 00:15:16.759 get a lot of likes and a lot of comments But 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:20.559 but they're completely like not true at all And 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.379 so what does it mean when we're creating a narrative? 00:15:25.139 --> 00:15:28.419 about somebody that fuels something that we would 00:15:28.419 --> 00:15:32.210 think is a positive message or an agenda, but 00:15:32.210 --> 00:15:36.750 yet it's all based in lies. What's happening? 00:15:37.110 --> 00:15:41.250 I wanted to say, while Zach collects his thoughts, 00:15:41.909 --> 00:15:44.049 so when you type in that address, it takes you 00:15:44.049 --> 00:15:48.009 to a place called Larry's Pub in Gobbles, Michigan, 00:15:48.090 --> 00:15:51.570 but then you search Larry's Pub and it brings 00:15:51.570 --> 00:15:54.610 you to a Facebook that it says you have no access. 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.200 We're going down this rabbit hole now. Does this 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:04.279 place exist? Does Larry's pub exist? If you live 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:08.460 in Gobbles, Michigan Let us know hang on hang 00:16:08.460 --> 00:16:10.600 on. I don't know. What are what are your thoughts 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:19.799 on that Zach? I mean I think as As an artist 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:24.600 it would be a little like I mean kind of disheartening 00:16:24.669 --> 00:16:28.450 Because I assume you're trying to build something, 00:16:28.490 --> 00:16:32.210 you're trying to put yourself out there, and 00:16:32.210 --> 00:16:39.009 you don't need this mythologizing of yourself. 00:16:39.830 --> 00:16:43.389 It's like, no, I know what I do, I know how I 00:16:43.389 --> 00:16:45.590 perform, I know how I write. I don't need you 00:16:45.590 --> 00:16:49.090 being like, oh, I told off Whoopi Goldberg, or 00:16:49.090 --> 00:16:53.429 I'm playing 18 ,000 cities in the next six months. 00:16:55.359 --> 00:16:57.740 Like, it's, I think it's a little insulting, 00:16:57.820 --> 00:17:02.559 honestly. Yeah, I think, me and Zach talk about 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:05.119 this a lot, that people want to stay in their 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.779 own groups, and I feel like it's weird because 00:17:07.779 --> 00:17:11.779 people almost want this to be a, like, you look 00:17:11.779 --> 00:17:14.579 at someone like Toby Mack, and you can love his 00:17:14.579 --> 00:17:16.759 music and be like, man, he helps people. He does 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:19.460 all this stuff. But for some reason, if you throw 00:17:19.460 --> 00:17:21.859 out that, like, oh, you know that he goes to, 00:17:21.859 --> 00:17:23.759 like, a Southern Baptist church, when all of 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:25.839 a sudden there's people that are like, oh, wait, 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:28.079 he's one of those? Or if he was to say, yeah, 00:17:28.099 --> 00:17:31.480 I voted independent, it's, oh, so you're... and 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:34.900 it's this weird thing of, like, so you think 00:17:34.900 --> 00:17:37.779 and that, like, sways it. And even in that example, 00:17:37.940 --> 00:17:40.140 you read and you're like, does that sound like 00:17:40.140 --> 00:17:42.519 something Toby would say, like, from the real 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:45.059 interviews you can look? But also, secondly, 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:49.279 it's like... it's almost this weird, like, we're 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:51.680 plotting that, but if that really happened, you'd 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:55.180 be like, that's not, like, it's not a very good 00:17:55.180 --> 00:17:56.960 thing, where it's almost like, we don't want 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.000 those people at church, or we don't want, like, 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.180 you're too far gone, because you, because even 00:18:02.180 --> 00:18:03.960 in that one, it's like, no point of it does it 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:07.500 say that it claims that Whoopi Goldberg was like, 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:09.980 well, God doesn't exist, or like, you're an idiot. 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:13.220 It turns into this, like, thing of, oh, well, 00:18:13.259 --> 00:18:16.019 Toby Toby said something and Whoopi was like, 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:19.880 cut the commercial. And I don't it. To me, it's 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:21.839 just sad, too, that there's so much stuff that 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.460 people like they don't research. And I remember 00:18:24.460 --> 00:18:27.019 I was always told that when something happens, 00:18:27.339 --> 00:18:30.900 like this person was like, I go to like a like 00:18:30.900 --> 00:18:33.079 three different outlets. And she used the example 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:35.140 of going to something that's right, left and 00:18:35.140 --> 00:18:38.079 then whatever. So she had press and she was like, 00:18:38.140 --> 00:18:40.579 whatever you see is in all of those. You know, 00:18:40.579 --> 00:18:42.880 that's true. So it's like there was a plane crash 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:46.119 or whatever. and then the other stuff is speculation 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:49.940 of well this was the cause or the this witness 00:18:49.940 --> 00:18:53.680 said that they heard this or whatever and I think 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.759 that people it's just sad that when you see people 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:59.980 reading that and it's not like did that happen 00:18:59.980 --> 00:19:01.839 or you know like to me I would go to YouTube 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:05.240 and pull up let me look at this clip but it's 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:08.680 like yeah you see that doesn't happen and I feel 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:12.549 like it's just sad that like um like social media 00:19:12.549 --> 00:19:14.869 has become so weaponized that that's what it's 00:19:14.869 --> 00:19:18.670 being used for is like how can we you know and 00:19:18.670 --> 00:19:20.789 on the opposite i think about the people that 00:19:20.789 --> 00:19:23.490 stop being a toby mack fan because they think 00:19:23.490 --> 00:19:26.549 that he's out there starting feuds with whoopi 00:19:26.549 --> 00:19:30.690 goldberg which sounds like a mad lib and then 00:19:30.690 --> 00:19:36.769 toby mack yelled at whoopi goldberg yeah i there's 00:19:36.769 --> 00:19:40.880 definitely an agenda that's like Being fueled 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:46.220 by this and I would hate as an artist For anybody 00:19:46.220 --> 00:19:50.119 to take me in my name and try and like fuel their 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:53.440 agenda in that way And I honestly I'm sure that 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:55.940 whoever put this together probably is a Toby 00:19:55.940 --> 00:19:59.720 Mac fan Yeah, and probably enjoys his music a 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:03.740 lot But it's kind of like what we do. I'm gonna 00:20:03.740 --> 00:20:06.730 get a little Christian for a minute. It's kind 00:20:06.730 --> 00:20:10.049 of like what we do a lot of times in kind of 00:20:10.049 --> 00:20:13.309 creating God in our image and in our agendas 00:20:13.309 --> 00:20:17.250 that we believe that we can speak for what God 00:20:17.250 --> 00:20:21.230 wants or what God can say. But yeah, we're doing 00:20:21.230 --> 00:20:23.829 that with like artists that we revere or whatever. 00:20:24.009 --> 00:20:27.990 I'm just saying, I know Toby would do this. And 00:20:27.990 --> 00:20:30.210 so I'm just going to create a fake news article 00:20:30.210 --> 00:20:33.759 about the fact that he did this. Just I'm so 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:36.339 troubled by this on so many levels not only from 00:20:36.339 --> 00:20:41.759 misrepresenting people and Blatantly like this 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:44.880 is a lie. This is a breaking of the Ten Commandments. 00:20:44.940 --> 00:20:50.140 And so that's problematic But also just for the 00:20:50.140 --> 00:20:52.819 amount of people that read this and just believe 00:20:52.819 --> 00:20:56.900 that it happened and believe that it's true And 00:20:56.900 --> 00:21:00.579 we've got to become more discerning as a Christian 00:21:00.579 --> 00:21:04.519 culture of the things that we read and see. In 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:09.839 a world of AI, there's no room for us just automatically 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:12.380 believing something that we read on social media 00:21:12.380 --> 00:21:16.240 anymore. We've got to be willing to do the research 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:22.660 and check it out and decide what it is. Yeah, 00:21:22.740 --> 00:21:25.940 I don't know. This this bothers me a lot, especially 00:21:25.940 --> 00:21:28.519 since I was able to see how much of this there 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:32.579 is out there. And a lot of it seems really similar. 00:21:32.819 --> 00:21:37.160 I think Chad GPT is like, really working hard 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:40.099 for some of these people. Writing a lot of this 00:21:40.099 --> 00:21:41.960 kind of stuff. And a lot of it seems kind of 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:44.259 plug and play that it's like the same story. 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:47.240 Yeah, but we're gonna this this time it's going 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:49.140 to be Toby Mack next time it's gonna be Brandon 00:21:49.140 --> 00:21:53.079 Lake, whatever it may be. So yeah. Yeah, I don't 00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:54.960 know any more thoughts you guys have I think 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:59.839 that's I'm good Interesting stuff out there. 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:03.700 Anyways on that not really sure. So Alright, 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:10.039 well we are going to move on to a game. So let's 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:26.720 play Yeah, so this week it was kind of inspired 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.559 by the album We are gonna dive into in a little 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:34.740 bit is that you know, I caught myself a few times 00:22:34.740 --> 00:22:38.059 thinking Man, like what what genre would I say? 00:22:38.180 --> 00:22:40.640 This is like this one song feels like this this 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.839 other song feels like that So it kind of really 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:46.859 made me start thinking like what what defines 00:22:46.859 --> 00:22:50.799 a genre like how do you describe? This to someone 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:55.720 so what I decided to do Was take one of our biggest 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:58.259 passions. I think everyone this table is fast 00:22:58.259 --> 00:23:00.960 food restaurants And so we're gonna i'm gonna 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.920 give you a restaurant and you're gonna give me 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:09.759 what music genre Fits that restaurant Okay Okay. 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:12.700 All right. All right. So first off chick -fil 00:23:12.700 --> 00:23:23.759 -a I mean I think I would with Chick -fil -A 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:27.579 probably just say CCM. Like contemporary Christian 00:23:27.579 --> 00:23:33.400 music. Or maybe worship music. I don't know. 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.920 Like it's done well, but it's pretty clean cut. 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:44.599 Like not very edgy. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:47.140 I think you hit it on the head with like worship 00:23:47.140 --> 00:23:52.980 music. Like it feels very polished. I think like 00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:55.579 it it feels very I don't want to say paint by 00:23:55.579 --> 00:24:01.440 numbers, but a very like ordered in a way Definitely 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:04.339 worship and I do love chick -fil -a. So just 00:24:04.339 --> 00:24:07.339 be real about that I put ccm too. Maybe it's 00:24:07.339 --> 00:24:09.819 like a steve chris chapman if you like you just 00:24:09.819 --> 00:24:13.740 throw on some Got to be true or whatever a great 00:24:13.740 --> 00:24:17.599 adventure. Oh, yeah, uh, next one is mcdonald's 00:24:19.779 --> 00:24:21.720 Can tell you what I put down, but I feel like 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:25.240 it's not a gonna be a popular comment Go for 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:31.619 it. Tell me I put down classic rock It's been 00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:34.359 around forever, but is it really that good like 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:38.500 I don't know every so often maybe McGriddle is 00:24:38.500 --> 00:24:49.380 good, but Yes, Zach, do you have an idea on that 00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:54.940 one? My knee -jerk reaction is to say just mainstream 00:24:54.940 --> 00:25:00.779 pop. It's always there. You've always got something. 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.839 Generally, it's not always the best, but it's 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.700 there and you see it a lot. That's what I'm going 00:25:10.700 --> 00:25:12.779 with. Actually, I think that's the thing that 00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:15.359 popped in my head the first time too is just 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.789 there's... pop music always exists sometimes 00:25:19.789 --> 00:25:23.190 sometimes it's better than others when you go 00:25:23.190 --> 00:25:30.210 and listen like half the time the ice cream machine 00:25:30.210 --> 00:25:33.150 is going to be broken and so it's like not going 00:25:33.150 --> 00:25:35.089 to do it for you and you're going to be mad that 00:25:35.089 --> 00:25:37.630 you pulled it up to begin with yeah i think that 00:25:37.630 --> 00:25:45.470 feels right all right subway eat fresh I put 00:25:45.470 --> 00:25:48.849 lo -fi I feel like it's just kind of like You 00:25:48.849 --> 00:25:52.630 never really think about it, but like it's it's 00:25:52.630 --> 00:25:55.769 everywhere and I feel like it just It does what 00:25:55.769 --> 00:25:58.950 it's supposed to do Yeah, I would I would I think 00:25:58.950 --> 00:26:00.529 I would agree with that just some kind of like 00:26:00.529 --> 00:26:05.269 instrumental Peaceful like maybe piano instrumental 00:26:05.269 --> 00:26:09.910 music Sack has someone who plays the piano. How 00:26:09.910 --> 00:26:13.240 how do you feel about like? Do you agree or disagree 00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.759 with Subway being likened to a piano? I really, 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:22.759 I really disagree. As someone who has spent the 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:25.920 last 20 years playing piano, I'm like, I've never 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:28.819 sat down and like, man, this feels like a turkey 00:26:28.819 --> 00:26:34.819 club. I think I would put Subway in the category 00:26:34.819 --> 00:26:39.640 of like elevator music. Yeah. Just like. Like 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:43.079 I don't have. I don't have high, uh, high marks 00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:46.480 for Subway. So I'm like, it's, it's just, it's 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.700 like, if you need to eat something, I guess, 00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:54.019 like it's, it's food. If you need to listen to 00:26:54.019 --> 00:26:56.660 something, it's like, and they're in the elevator 00:26:56.660 --> 00:27:00.619 with you. It's, it's It's a thing. I guess that's 00:27:00.619 --> 00:27:02.640 why Zach was never asked to be the spokesman 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.180 for subway So that they just hear it's food. 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:09.160 I guess if you need to eat I think I was thinking 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:11.339 somewhere between the two of you. Uh -huh like 00:27:11.339 --> 00:27:14.519 lo -fi Instrumental. Yeah. Yeah. We've got a 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:20.220 couple more. What about sonic drive -ins? I put 00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:22.410 alternative rock Because I feel like their menus 00:27:22.410 --> 00:27:25.589 just like you've got a hot dog over here. You've 00:27:25.589 --> 00:27:27.630 got a deep fried Oreo. Then you've got people 00:27:27.630 --> 00:27:30.029 making like apple juice milkshakes. Like it's 00:27:30.029 --> 00:27:33.210 really just anything you need. I think I think 00:27:33.210 --> 00:27:38.410 I'd put it in like the grunge category. I think 00:27:38.410 --> 00:27:40.809 we're all on the same page here. It does kind 00:27:40.809 --> 00:27:45.269 of feel like the let's get a little quirky and 00:27:45.269 --> 00:27:48.009 do something that's alternative to the mainstream. 00:27:48.309 --> 00:27:52.619 But most of the time With like pretty good success. 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:58.039 Um, I like sonic Uh, what about waffle house? 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.559 Waffle house is bluegrass. I will I will take 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:06.539 no questions I definitely thought country country 00:28:06.539 --> 00:28:08.759 music was the thing that popped in my head. Yeah 00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:12.819 Um, I don't know why maybe it's because if you 00:28:12.819 --> 00:28:15.140 go play any of the actual waffle house songs 00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.779 Off of the jukebox and Waffle House, they're 00:28:17.779 --> 00:28:20.259 like all country music. What was that one that 00:28:20.259 --> 00:28:24.119 Jared tried to play a while back? It was like 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:28.680 Steve's oil or something. Oily pan. I don't know. 00:28:28.859 --> 00:28:31.299 There's some really interesting songs on the 00:28:31.299 --> 00:28:35.259 Waffle House jukebox. There used to be one called 00:28:35.259 --> 00:28:38.119 99 ,000 ways to eat a hamburger at Waffle House. 00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:46.970 Classic. Our final one, Bojangles. I knew this 00:28:46.970 --> 00:28:53.069 was coming I feel like what I'm thinking is like 00:28:53.069 --> 00:28:56.430 I don't know like if it's like Maybe like pop 00:28:56.430 --> 00:28:59.009 punk or something like it's not for everyone, 00:28:59.069 --> 00:29:02.369 but I feel like the people that love it like 00:29:02.369 --> 00:29:10.549 love it I I would go so far as to say like I 00:29:10.549 --> 00:29:13.210 Think I'm kind of with where you were with McDonald's 00:29:13.210 --> 00:29:18.240 like I'm thinking like classic rock. Like it's 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:22.619 always there. It's always good. It's just classic 00:29:22.619 --> 00:29:26.940 nostalgic chicken. It's always good. You heard 00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:31.059 what he said? I think I would go with like Americana, 00:29:31.259 --> 00:29:37.920 like roots rock. Yeah, like this, it's not country 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.920 music, but it feels. Okay, feels rootsy. It feels 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.559 like America like when you're listening to it 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.839 and it just feels right, you know Well, there 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.960 you go Bojangles. We've we fit you into two segments 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:55.859 already. So Those executives are listening Where's 00:29:55.859 --> 00:29:58.980 the sponsorship? Yeah All right. Well, there 00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:03.140 we go. That's awesome. All right, it's time to 00:30:03.140 --> 00:30:17.670 check what's in the mail All right, we have a 00:30:17.670 --> 00:30:20.970 new segment Brandon where we check the mail and 00:30:20.970 --> 00:30:24.230 I think that you have some mail for us Yeah, 00:30:24.230 --> 00:30:27.930 we have something from this person named Gina 00:30:27.930 --> 00:30:31.849 Lorick That name sounds familiar because yeah, 00:30:31.849 --> 00:30:38.049 it's my mom Gotcha So we're still at the stage 00:30:38.049 --> 00:30:40.369 of our podcast where our moms are the ones that 00:30:40.369 --> 00:30:44.009 are writing in I'll say that my mom she has whenever 00:30:44.009 --> 00:30:47.380 I have uh dove into anything she's been super 00:30:47.380 --> 00:30:50.619 supportive but like she's also like she'll give 00:30:50.619 --> 00:30:53.920 a fair like assessment like she's not she's not 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.660 one of those people that's just like oh all those 00:30:56.660 --> 00:30:59.259 things are amazing it'll be i don't know that 00:30:59.259 --> 00:31:01.440 i don't agree with that episode or like why'd 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:03.619 you throw in that shade at like toby or whatever 00:31:03.619 --> 00:31:06.259 so i don't think your mom has left us a review 00:31:06.259 --> 00:31:09.740 yet online so i think she's waiting for us to 00:31:09.740 --> 00:31:11.880 do a toby mack or third day review that's what 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:16.230 she's waiting for so um she asked who has been 00:31:16.230 --> 00:31:18.470 your top three artists or groups that you have 00:31:18.470 --> 00:31:21.809 seen live and who have you not seen current or 00:31:21.809 --> 00:31:29.329 past that you would like to see live okay um 00:31:29.329 --> 00:31:33.470 yeah so top three i think that i've seen live 00:31:33.470 --> 00:31:38.880 that i'll go with One would be my favorite band, 00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.819 not a Christian band, but my favorite band, Wilco. 00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:47.279 I've seen Wilco probably, I don't know how many 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.799 times, eight times, and they're just phenomenal. 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.329 They put on an incredible, incredible show. Um, 00:31:54.349 --> 00:31:57.230 so we'll go, um, number two, I'd probably have 00:31:57.230 --> 00:32:01.970 to go Sufjan Stevens. Um, I've only seen him 00:32:01.970 --> 00:32:05.089 two or three, three times. Um, but it's been 00:32:05.089 --> 00:32:07.210 an incredible show every time. Just kind of one 00:32:07.210 --> 00:32:09.849 of those life -changing moments. And then number 00:32:09.849 --> 00:32:14.670 three, I'm going to go the killers. Um, so this 00:32:14.670 --> 00:32:17.250 would be my top three concert live experiences. 00:32:18.410 --> 00:32:21.670 Zach, do you, or who would you like to see? Do 00:32:21.670 --> 00:32:23.369 you have an answer for that one? That I haven't 00:32:23.369 --> 00:32:30.390 seen? Yeah. Yeah. It would probably be a tie 00:32:30.390 --> 00:32:38.190 between Arcade Fire and Radiohead. Okay. Yeah. 00:32:39.069 --> 00:32:41.650 So. Do you have any thoughts on that question? 00:32:42.910 --> 00:32:48.029 You know, I have not always been the... Haven't 00:32:48.029 --> 00:32:51.170 been drawn to live music a lot. I'm more of a 00:32:51.170 --> 00:32:57.009 studio album kind of guy But I have seen Casting 00:32:57.009 --> 00:33:00.529 Crowns was really good live I've seen a lot of 00:33:00.529 --> 00:33:04.769 like Broadway off -broadway musicals live which 00:33:04.769 --> 00:33:10.069 blow the albums out of the water obviously I 00:33:10.069 --> 00:33:14.579 think I saw It all it is is Broadway musicals 00:33:14.579 --> 00:33:18.500 or guys. I saw winter jams Well, if you I guess 00:33:18.500 --> 00:33:22.400 thinking about that like if you Like is there 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.740 a Broadway show or like an artist like either 00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:28.640 one that right now if we just said guess what 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.200 Zack We got you tickets to this that you would 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:38.940 be like thrilled to see Mmm Gosh it really is 00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:43.680 just a grab bag like I've got like 10 or 12 musicals, 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.099 and I'm like, oh yeah, it'd be cool to see that, 00:33:46.099 --> 00:33:55.519 it'd be cool to see that. Gosh. I'm drawing a 00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.400 blank, man. I'm sorry. I'm going to get a text 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.160 tonight from Zach, like the one in the morning 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.839 that's like, okay, I figured it out. We'll edit 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:09.239 it and post it. Yeah. Just throw in like, blank. 00:34:10.340 --> 00:34:16.400 I would love to see Insert whatever ticket master 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:19.599 that'll be our next sponsor is just ticket master. 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:24.320 Yeah I the ones that come to mind of what I've 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:29.059 seen is Me without you just because that the 00:34:29.059 --> 00:34:33.699 audit the crowd is so like Studied maybe is the 00:34:33.699 --> 00:34:36.000 best way to put it that it's just I remember 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.960 the first time I saw them. I thought man all 00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:40.679 these people don't know what weird music is about 00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.860 to be played and then I realized that everyone 00:34:42.860 --> 00:34:45.420 else in the room knew like the entire catalog 00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:47.380 that's what that's what they're there for Brandon 00:34:47.380 --> 00:34:51.960 yeah yeah I would say if I mind I was just thinking 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:53.519 like they don't know what they're signing up 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:57.320 for but um it like so it's just it's just so 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.559 cool when you go to a show and you don't see 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.960 people like on your cell phone or you don't see 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.739 people there just because like their girlfriend 00:35:05.739 --> 00:35:08.690 you know dragged them there or whatever um so 00:35:08.690 --> 00:35:13.269 I'd go me without you um I think Toby Mack from 00:35:13.269 --> 00:35:15.630 the standpoint of just like it's a full production 00:35:15.630 --> 00:35:18.590 and usually like I prefer just seeing someone 00:35:18.590 --> 00:35:22.610 in like a 500 person place where it's just the 00:35:22.610 --> 00:35:25.429 instruments and the people but with Toby he's 00:35:25.429 --> 00:35:27.949 one of the people that it's just like there's 00:35:27.949 --> 00:35:31.670 so much effort that goes into like putting on 00:35:31.670 --> 00:35:34.809 a show and um like you can just tell that he's 00:35:34.809 --> 00:35:37.500 like you paid your money. Like, I don't want 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:40.699 anyone leaving here thinking that. So, Me Without 00:35:40.699 --> 00:35:46.800 You, Toby Mac, and then, um, there's a lot of 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.679 other ones like Family Force 5. I think what 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.059 stands out to me is, um, I have seen The Last 00:35:53.059 --> 00:35:55.940 Bison a few times, and the last time I saw them 00:35:55.940 --> 00:36:00.420 live, it was in this, like, little, like, bar 00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:03.780 slash, like, concert venue, and there was maybe 00:36:04.269 --> 00:36:07.030 maybe like 20 people there for the show. So, 00:36:07.130 --> 00:36:09.510 like, by all accounts, it's kind of like, it's 00:36:09.510 --> 00:36:13.349 sad, it's like, oh, this is whatever, but you 00:36:13.349 --> 00:36:15.650 would never think, you would think that they're 00:36:15.650 --> 00:36:18.110 playing an arena full of 20 ,000 people. Like, 00:36:18.110 --> 00:36:20.750 just the, it was the same show, it was the same 00:36:20.750 --> 00:36:24.949 energy, and it just stood out to me that here 00:36:24.949 --> 00:36:28.190 these people have, you know, this super poor 00:36:28.190 --> 00:36:31.730 turnout, but they're providing a show like they 00:36:31.730 --> 00:36:34.860 would for you know, like the biggest crowd out 00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:40.400 here. I think people I want to see, you know, 00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.199 of course John Rubin is always going to be like 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:46.599 the number one answer. I think outside of that, 00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:49.139 like probably the top person in like the non 00:36:49.139 --> 00:36:52.639 -Christian genre would maybe be like Regina Spector. 00:36:53.980 --> 00:36:57.519 She just always like, I just grew up growing 00:36:57.519 --> 00:36:59.500 up, and this is someone who took piano lesson 00:36:59.500 --> 00:37:01.699 for years. I thought piano was the most boring 00:37:01.699 --> 00:37:05.019 instrument. And the first time that I heard her, 00:37:05.099 --> 00:37:08.280 like her music is very piano driven. She's kind 00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:11.039 of the first artist that I'm like, oh you can 00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.460 do that with a piano? Like I didn't know that 00:37:13.460 --> 00:37:16.139 you could produce this kind of music, you know? 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.960 And so like I've always thought that that would 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.360 be a cool concert to go to just because it is 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:26.179 just like a person here telling stories with 00:37:26.179 --> 00:37:30.760 a piano. So that's cool. I'm sticking to that 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.130 answer. All right. I love it. I did remember 00:37:34.130 --> 00:37:38.849 a show that I'd love to shout out. Me and my 00:37:38.849 --> 00:37:42.530 wife went to visit our family out in Arkansas 00:37:42.530 --> 00:37:46.489 this past September, and we went up to Branson 00:37:46.489 --> 00:37:52.030 and saw a Sight and Sound musical, David, and 00:37:52.030 --> 00:37:56.329 it was absolutely phenomenal. I would highly 00:37:56.329 --> 00:37:58.510 suggest anything out of Sight and Sound. They 00:37:58.510 --> 00:38:00.769 do incredible work up there. Yeah, i've heard 00:38:00.769 --> 00:38:03.429 that that's awesome. That's awesome All right. 00:38:03.429 --> 00:38:05.130 Well, let's take a second and just talk about 00:38:05.130 --> 00:38:07.909 what we've been listening to lately What have 00:38:07.909 --> 00:38:09.550 you guys what have you guys been listening to? 00:38:11.210 --> 00:38:14.690 Um For me it's like it's like still waiting for 00:38:14.690 --> 00:38:17.250 like new stuff to hit, you know, we talk about 00:38:17.250 --> 00:38:20.409 that. It's like, um It's usually february march 00:38:20.409 --> 00:38:25.710 stuff new stuff hits. Um man, I'm trying to think 00:38:25.710 --> 00:38:27.869 I mean this week a lot of it was just listening 00:38:27.869 --> 00:38:32.489 to like going through like down here stuff and 00:38:32.489 --> 00:38:37.590 I'm trying to think I'm trying to think of something 00:38:37.590 --> 00:38:40.070 new colony house. They had a new single that 00:38:40.070 --> 00:38:43.150 came out. So I've been listening to that That 00:38:43.150 --> 00:38:47.210 the second half of that EP drops second week 00:38:47.210 --> 00:38:50.769 in February So I think right now I'm pretty I'm 00:38:50.769 --> 00:38:54.760 pretty pumped up to see kind of what what direction 00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.800 that goes um so yeah i'm pretty i'm pretty pumped 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:00.519 up for that so it's supposed to be different 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.360 or like part one it's all all i know is it's 00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.760 part two so i don't i don't think i don't think 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.420 necessarily there's this like oh this part is 00:39:10.420 --> 00:39:12.900 about right you know because even the other one 00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:16.719 comes just a mix up of songs um so they've released 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:21.280 some of the stuff now and um I mean like I've 00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.360 enjoyed it kind of sounds a lot like part one 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:29.199 But like I've enjoyed it so far. So cool Sounds 00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.300 good sack. What about you? I can't really think 00:39:32.300 --> 00:39:34.519 of any albums off the top of my head, but I have 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:38.300 been listening to a lot of Dom Farrah It's like 00:39:38.300 --> 00:39:41.280 a super indie artist makes really good like kind 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:48.179 of 80s inspired music and steam -powered giraffe 00:39:48.789 --> 00:39:51.269 Uh, is a really good band that I've, I've started 00:39:51.269 --> 00:39:53.590 going like kind of deeper into their catalog. 00:39:54.250 --> 00:39:56.510 Uh, they're, they're really cool. Highly suggest. 00:39:56.769 --> 00:39:58.989 This sound like things that I would like to listen 00:39:58.989 --> 00:40:01.409 to. So I'll definitely have to check them out. 00:40:02.230 --> 00:40:06.650 Um, yeah, I think my, so I'm with you Brandon 00:40:06.650 --> 00:40:09.130 a little bit and that nothing new has been hitting. 00:40:09.469 --> 00:40:11.269 So I haven't really had anything to talk about 00:40:11.269 --> 00:40:16.460 that's new. Um, but. My kids have a movie that 00:40:16.460 --> 00:40:19.760 they watch over and over all the time. Um, it's 00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.719 a little, little flick called a walk to remember. 00:40:23.179 --> 00:40:25.760 Um, and if you've ever seen it, like switch foot 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.199 is half of the, um, soundtrack to that movie. 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.460 Um, because apparently Mandy Moore was going 00:40:31.460 --> 00:40:33.869 through a switch foot phase or something. And 00:40:33.869 --> 00:40:36.550 so, um, and she actually sings a switch fit song 00:40:36.550 --> 00:40:39.210 in the movie, only hope off their second record. 00:40:39.329 --> 00:40:41.869 Um, and it's like, it is the crescendo of the 00:40:41.869 --> 00:40:45.530 whole film, her singing the song. And so my kids 00:40:45.530 --> 00:40:48.829 like love that song. And then, so we're like 00:40:48.829 --> 00:40:51.050 in the car and I just like turn on the switch 00:40:51.050 --> 00:40:52.869 fit version of it. And they're like, Oh, this 00:40:52.869 --> 00:40:55.469 is blah, blah, blah. I'll like play other switch 00:40:55.469 --> 00:40:58.010 fit songs from. that are on the soundtrack to 00:40:58.010 --> 00:40:59.449 the movie and they're like, Oh, I love this song. 00:40:59.530 --> 00:41:01.449 Oh, this song is great. And then I'm like, all 00:41:01.449 --> 00:41:03.510 right, this is a prime opportunity for me to 00:41:03.510 --> 00:41:06.409 get my kids into switch foot. And so I've just 00:41:06.409 --> 00:41:08.590 been playing like, especially the early stuff 00:41:08.590 --> 00:41:11.989 that a lot of that soundtrack is from. And so 00:41:11.989 --> 00:41:14.550 one that I pulled the vinyl out and I've just 00:41:14.550 --> 00:41:17.170 kind of had it going constantly is their second 00:41:17.170 --> 00:41:19.110 record that only hope is off of new way to be 00:41:19.110 --> 00:41:21.639 human. Yeah. And so we've just spent a lot of 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.039 time listening to that lately and I love that 00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:27.619 album. Um, I love it. Love it. So, um, yeah, 00:41:27.619 --> 00:41:30.159 it's been really good. It's, it's early quirky, 00:41:30.539 --> 00:41:33.739 but really good switch fit. So, yeah, yeah, it's 00:41:33.739 --> 00:41:36.000 a lot of fun. All right. Well, let's transition 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.119 and get into the thing that we're all here to 00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:41.639 talk about. And that is ending is beginning by 00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:50.440 down here. Well, I'll give us a little info on 00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.639 this record. So Ending is Beginning is the fifth 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:56.460 official album release from Christian Rock Band 00:41:56.460 --> 00:42:01.880 down here. It was released on September 23rd, 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:06.900 2008. In May 2008, fans played a part in selecting 00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.699 the songs chosen for the album by rating and 00:42:09.699 --> 00:42:13.719 scoring 17 potential songs on audioscorecard 00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:18.579 .com. Christianity Today gave this album five 00:42:18.579 --> 00:42:22.059 stars and Jesus Freak Hideout gave it four and 00:42:22.059 --> 00:42:27.420 a half stars. It's a pretty well respected record 00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:31.639 in the Christian music world. So just opening 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:35.030 thoughts for this. Zach, I think you are the 00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:38.250 one that's coming to this with more background 00:42:38.250 --> 00:42:40.889 than either Brandon or I. So we'd love to hear 00:42:40.889 --> 00:42:44.510 from you first. Like, how did this album come 00:42:44.510 --> 00:42:47.889 across your plate? And how did you get exposed 00:42:47.889 --> 00:42:52.630 to this band? So a little background on me is 00:42:52.630 --> 00:42:55.489 that I've kind of always grown up in church, 00:42:55.489 --> 00:42:58.849 but the church that I grew up in was like really 00:42:58.849 --> 00:43:02.210 super like, oh, it's it's the blueback hymnal, 00:43:02.210 --> 00:43:08.019 like like it's just very ccm wasn't a big part 00:43:08.019 --> 00:43:12.760 of things growing up right um until until i got 00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.360 into like our youth group about like i would 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:18.699 have been like 13 or 14 by the time this released 00:43:18.699 --> 00:43:24.619 and this album was the very first ccm uh cd that 00:43:24.619 --> 00:43:28.400 i ever got like it was my first exposure to the 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:33.130 genre basically and I mean, I fell in love with 00:43:33.130 --> 00:43:35.889 it. Like it was something that I would put in, 00:43:36.050 --> 00:43:38.570 and this is back when I had a little like seedy 00:43:38.570 --> 00:43:41.829 walk man that I would carry around and just have 00:43:41.829 --> 00:43:46.269 it running and have it playing. And I don't know, 00:43:46.889 --> 00:43:51.110 it's definitely like, it was the beginning of 00:43:51.110 --> 00:43:55.170 me like looking at other genres basically, especially 00:43:55.170 --> 00:43:57.909 as genres that like tied faith into it, which 00:43:57.909 --> 00:44:02.199 was really interesting. That's cool Brandon, 00:44:02.219 --> 00:44:06.840 what's what's your exposure to this? I So when 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:11.739 Zach first told me I Did this thing where I got 00:44:11.739 --> 00:44:15.179 mixed up with like four different bands? And 00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:18.800 I think that I only knew it from like how many 00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.760 Kings Because I don't know I don't know if we 00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:24.119 play it here or if it was some or feels another 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.400 church I was at that I remember that being played 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:33.800 and that was the only um like like exam or i 00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:36.440 guess like experience i had with them going into 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.360 it so it was kind of that classic moment of zach 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.260 saying we should do this one and me thinking 00:44:41.260 --> 00:44:46.539 oh man i hope this isn't one of those like um 00:44:46.539 --> 00:44:53.320 yeah i so i used to work at um i'll back when 00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:57.159 they existed a life way um, Christian bookstore. 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.960 And this would have been around around the time 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.739 that down here was releasing records. Um, but 00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:10.039 I, I ran our music department even. And so I 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:14.900 had to be like, sort of aware of like all Christian 00:45:14.900 --> 00:45:17.380 music so that I could give people recommendations 00:45:17.380 --> 00:45:21.579 and And so I think I knew enough of about down 00:45:21.579 --> 00:45:23.719 here to be able to like recommend them to someone 00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:26.420 if they came asking about certain things. Um, 00:45:26.420 --> 00:45:28.679 but I never really took the time to listen to 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:33.840 anything. Um, honestly, it wasn't until after 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.780 they broke up, I'm assuming they're technically 00:45:37.780 --> 00:45:41.420 broken up. I think so. Um, it wasn't until after 00:45:41.420 --> 00:45:46.119 that happened that I got exposed to Mark Martell, 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:51.300 who was one of their two singers and I think 00:45:51.300 --> 00:45:58.320 I came across him online singing covers of Queen 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.539 songs which if you listen to him sing on this 00:46:02.539 --> 00:46:05.260 album you know why because he has a very Freddie 00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:11.699 Mercury voice in fact he now pretty much full 00:46:11.699 --> 00:46:16.429 -time tours with a Queen cover band and they 00:46:16.429 --> 00:46:17.869 actually played in Charleston a couple of months 00:46:17.869 --> 00:46:25.630 ago. But also, when the movie Bohemian Rhapsody 00:46:25.630 --> 00:46:32.210 came out, Mark Martel recorded all of the live 00:46:32.210 --> 00:46:36.230 vocals of Freddie Mercury for that film. And 00:46:36.230 --> 00:46:39.940 so when you listen to... The singing that's happening 00:46:39.940 --> 00:46:42.960 live in the movie Bohemian Rhapsody. That's actually 00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.880 Mark Martel singing So I've got because I like 00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:50.440 Queen a lot I kind of got wrapped up a little 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:53.059 bit in his everything that he's doing with Queen 00:46:53.059 --> 00:46:56.360 and With all the Queen stuff that he's doing 00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.699 but then also like he still releases a lot of 00:46:59.699 --> 00:47:01.780 different kinds of things like he'll he's got 00:47:01.780 --> 00:47:03.960 duets with Amy Grant and Michael W Smith and 00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:07.480 all kinds of stuff for Christmas music and Um, 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:11.440 and so I've just been pretty blown away by his 00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:15.139 talent as a singer and I think a songwriter, 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.000 like there's, there's a video that if you haven't 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.860 seen this, I highly recommend it of Mark Martel 00:47:21.860 --> 00:47:24.559 covering Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen. And it's 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:28.099 just him at a piano all by himself. Um, and it's 00:47:28.099 --> 00:47:30.119 one of the most incredible things that I've ever 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.760 seen before. Um, the man's just incredibly talented. 00:47:34.340 --> 00:47:38.639 And so, um, So, but I've never listened to any 00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.480 of the music that his actual band put out before. 00:47:42.380 --> 00:47:45.219 Um, and so for me, this is fun because I'm like, 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.179 I get to step back now and go listen to Mark 00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:50.400 Martel when it comes to like songs that he's 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:54.139 writing and singing. And so, uh, I was really 00:47:54.139 --> 00:47:57.059 excited to be able to, to get into this. So, 00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.500 yeah, that's good. Any, any other thoughts you 00:48:00.500 --> 00:48:05.010 guys have before we can I get into it? all right 00:48:05.010 --> 00:48:10.849 let's do this track by track um so yeah first 00:48:10.849 --> 00:48:16.010 we jump into bleed for this love um so my initial 00:48:16.010 --> 00:48:19.969 thoughts i wrote down is his voice is like a 00:48:19.969 --> 00:48:24.110 cross between matt hamet from sanctus real and 00:48:24.110 --> 00:48:29.510 kevin max and i was like man what what is going 00:48:29.510 --> 00:48:32.309 on and it made me like really curious for more 00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:36.059 Um, it also wasn't until I listened to a few 00:48:36.059 --> 00:48:38.360 of the tracks that zach informed me that it's 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:40.239 two different singers So I just thought it was 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.139 the same guy and i'm like man this guy like that's 00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:46.619 cool. Got some really different. Yeah and um, 00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.960 but yeah, I You know, I talk a lot about how 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:54.780 I see a album as like a concert And I think um 00:48:54.780 --> 00:48:57.340 the first track even more so when you don't know 00:48:57.340 --> 00:49:01.139 a band Like it sets the tone for because going 00:49:01.139 --> 00:49:05.440 into this I knew they were really popular with, 00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.860 um, like how many kings? And so in my mind, I'm 00:49:09.860 --> 00:49:13.840 thinking how CCM is this going to be? And I think 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:17.380 right off the bat, I get, I get hit with, okay, 00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:19.900 this is different. This isn't just, we're making 00:49:19.900 --> 00:49:21.699 it, we're making an album to try to get plays 00:49:21.699 --> 00:49:25.639 on K love. Um, so I think like after the first 00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:29.300 track, I was still like, like wanting more. Like, 00:49:29.300 --> 00:49:32.679 I was like, okay, I'm excited to see what's... 00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:35.719 So I think it was really good in that regard 00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:40.380 that it made me want to listen to more. What 00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:46.440 were your thoughts, Zach? Honestly, I was really 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.699 blown away by the mixing of this. Like, I think 00:49:48.699 --> 00:49:51.380 this is definitely a good, like, kick in the 00:49:51.380 --> 00:49:54.460 door. Like, all right, we're kicking off an album. 00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.179 But a lot of the, like, technical things of it, 00:49:58.179 --> 00:50:01.719 like... how it messes with the panning a lot. 00:50:02.699 --> 00:50:06.739 It opens hard, panned right, and kind of closes, 00:50:07.019 --> 00:50:12.739 panned left, like you're moving through it. But 00:50:12.739 --> 00:50:16.820 every piece of the verse had a different crash 00:50:16.820 --> 00:50:22.219 in, cut out, crash in, cut out. It's like, we're 00:50:22.219 --> 00:50:27.440 here, and this is what we're doing. All right. 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:29.239 So I need you guys to be a little gracious with 00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:35.480 me on this. I don't really love this as an opener. 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.360 I'll talk a little bit more about that as we 00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:42.039 get into it. But I do want to mention a couple 00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:45.920 of things. I have notes about Kevin Max as well, 00:50:46.099 --> 00:50:48.960 because I thought several times during this whole 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:52.079 record. was getting that Kevin Maxx vibe and 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.280 that led me to feel like some of these songs 00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:57.039 almost sounded like DC Talk songs in some ways. 00:50:58.139 --> 00:51:01.019 Whenever you say like whenever I feel like it's 00:51:01.019 --> 00:51:03.039 good or bad if you say this reminds me of Kevin 00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:05.340 Maxx's vocals because I had we had a college 00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:10.059 professor Dr. Cersei who he was always like yeah 00:51:10.059 --> 00:51:11.960 me and my brother would make fun of him because 00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:16.480 he's always doing the Kevin was my favorite singer 00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:18.380 in DC talk. So, okay. Well, that's, that's a 00:51:18.380 --> 00:51:21.380 good sign. It's a good thing for me. Um, yeah. 00:51:21.380 --> 00:51:25.300 So about the song, um, I like, I, I like the 00:51:25.300 --> 00:51:27.800 song. It reminded me of like a song by like the 00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.980 fray. Um, if you've ever heard the fray, um, 00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:35.059 it's, it's, it does kind of give you like a picture 00:51:35.059 --> 00:51:37.159 of where the record is going, that this is like 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:40.360 a piano rock kind of deal that we're getting 00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.679 into. Um, obviously I like Mark's voice a lot. 00:51:44.780 --> 00:51:49.139 And so I like that. Um, I like the like drops 00:51:49.139 --> 00:51:52.599 that happen down to acoustic guitar and then 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.960 pick back up. Um, and I actually do, I think 00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:58.920 the production is really good. Um, Brandon and 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.920 I talk Zach about production a lot. And so sometimes 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.659 good production for me is a good thing. And sometimes 00:52:04.659 --> 00:52:10.570 it's a bad thing. Um, for me on this song. It 00:52:10.570 --> 00:52:15.730 felt a little too slick for me. And it just made 00:52:15.730 --> 00:52:22.710 the song feel a little stale. And so I didn't 00:52:22.710 --> 00:52:26.690 dislike the song, but I didn't feel, while I 00:52:26.690 --> 00:52:29.110 felt like... you get a little vibe of where we're 00:52:29.110 --> 00:52:33.230 going I feel like this song lacked a lot of the 00:52:33.230 --> 00:52:36.110 creativity that comes as the album progresses 00:52:36.110 --> 00:52:40.130 on and this was a pretty more of just like straightforward 00:52:40.130 --> 00:52:44.610 like pop rock song whereas I think especially 00:52:44.610 --> 00:52:47.650 starting in like track three you have a lot of 00:52:47.650 --> 00:52:50.489 creativity mixed within that and I think that 00:52:50.489 --> 00:52:52.610 this one just didn't give like a good sense of 00:52:52.610 --> 00:52:55.309 like um this one felt like one that would be 00:52:55.309 --> 00:52:57.650 played on the radio whereas some of their other 00:52:57.650 --> 00:52:59.769 stuff is like maybe this is a little too weird 00:52:59.769 --> 00:53:01.889 for the radio does that make sense do you think 00:53:01.889 --> 00:53:05.010 that if it if it wasn't the opener do you think 00:53:05.010 --> 00:53:07.869 like if this is like track like three four five 00:53:07.869 --> 00:53:10.530 ten or whatever you like it more or do you think 00:53:10.530 --> 00:53:13.030 that you're kind of going to feel the same way 00:53:13.030 --> 00:53:16.019 no matter where it falls on this album I don't 00:53:16.019 --> 00:53:17.659 know. Maybe it would have blended in a little 00:53:17.659 --> 00:53:20.199 better. It does feel like a single, like it feels 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.420 like we wrote this song to be a single that's 00:53:22.420 --> 00:53:25.179 going to be on the radio. Okay. Um, whereas I 00:53:25.179 --> 00:53:27.019 kind of feel like a lot of the songs, they probably 00:53:27.019 --> 00:53:28.800 knew there's no way this would get played on 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.519 the radio. And I just happen to like the songs 00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:33.800 more that are like, I know the song will get 00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:37.460 played on the radio, um, just in general with 00:53:37.460 --> 00:53:40.820 any artist. So, um, yeah, I didn't dislike it, 00:53:40.820 --> 00:53:44.980 but it just wasn't, it didn't do every I honestly, 00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:46.340 at this point, because this is the first time 00:53:46.340 --> 00:53:50.059 I've listened to this record. Yeah. And so I 00:53:50.059 --> 00:53:52.079 kind of was like, I don't really know what I'm 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:53.940 in for listening to this. Like, am I going to 00:53:53.940 --> 00:53:56.559 have 13 songs of pretty much just straightforward 00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.539 pop rock? Yeah. Or what's what's going to happen? 00:53:59.659 --> 00:54:01.659 So I was just kind of left still wondering like 00:54:01.659 --> 00:54:04.199 where we were going, if that makes sense. Gotcha. 00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:09.039 Zach, moving to Here I Am. What are your thoughts 00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.829 on the second track? So. It's funny because I 00:54:12.829 --> 00:54:14.989 feel like the way that Joel feels about the first 00:54:14.989 --> 00:54:18.690 track, I feel about the second track. Like, here 00:54:18.690 --> 00:54:22.349 I am. I think, like, lyrically, it's really good. 00:54:22.829 --> 00:54:27.969 But it does just kind of feel it feels like your 00:54:27.969 --> 00:54:33.469 standard, like, Otz rock groove. In my notes, 00:54:33.510 --> 00:54:35.489 I said it reminded me a little bit of our lady 00:54:35.489 --> 00:54:41.440 piece. Yeah. And I. I do know that this actually 00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:45.320 was one of the singles that was released prior 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:52.500 to the album. So it does give that single standalone 00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:54.679 cut and dry, probably is going to get played 00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:58.420 on the radio feel, to me at least. Yeah, Zach, 00:54:58.539 --> 00:55:03.219 I actually felt the same way. And so again, here 00:55:03.219 --> 00:55:06.039 I am, this is track two, and I'm like... All 00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:08.440 right. So this is just a pretty standard like 00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:11.519 pop rock record, which I didn't know where we're 00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:14.940 going, although I know Mark's music a little 00:55:14.940 --> 00:55:17.500 bit. And so it felt very radio friendly. I, there 00:55:17.500 --> 00:55:19.800 were things about it that I thought were a little 00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:24.360 interesting musically. Um, they, they do this 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:26.599 cool like vocal thing at the end of the song, 00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:29.079 um, with all these different vocals going on. 00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:32.039 And I thought that was pretty cool. Um, and creative, 00:55:32.500 --> 00:55:35.099 but it just kind of felt, I felt like, all right. 00:55:35.210 --> 00:55:37.110 At this point, I'm like, I think I know what 00:55:37.110 --> 00:55:41.289 I'm getting here. Just a pretty straightforward 00:55:41.289 --> 00:55:44.050 pop rock record. This one just kind of carried 00:55:44.050 --> 00:55:48.210 on what I felt from the first song. Yeah. I think 00:55:48.210 --> 00:55:52.550 for me, I put down like the piano is still here. 00:55:52.690 --> 00:55:54.570 So I was kind of like being like, okay, well, 00:55:54.690 --> 00:55:56.929 I'm picking up on piano is probably gonna be 00:55:56.929 --> 00:56:02.469 pretty heavy on here. I thought the backing vocal 00:56:02.469 --> 00:56:07.300 shined. Think like the track it wasn't like my 00:56:07.300 --> 00:56:09.400 favorite track or whatever, but I think that 00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:15.300 at this point I was still Still pretty happy 00:56:15.300 --> 00:56:17.739 and maybe it's just because I went into it with 00:56:17.739 --> 00:56:22.340 expectations of You know if we if we want to 00:56:22.340 --> 00:56:25.659 say that your average kind of just run -of -the 00:56:25.659 --> 00:56:28.719 -mill Caleb song is like a c -plus or something, 00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.619 you know or whatever like that's my expectation 00:56:31.619 --> 00:56:35.539 so I think that right now both songs had kind 00:56:35.539 --> 00:56:39.480 of like over -delivered on what I expected. So 00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:43.360 I feel like that kind of helped the album is 00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.179 that like you're going into it with like really 00:56:46.179 --> 00:56:50.679 low expectations. So maybe that's just the trick 00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:52.659 is whenever you're going to listen to an album 00:56:52.659 --> 00:56:54.980 just expect it to be the worst thing you've ever 00:56:54.980 --> 00:57:01.000 listened to. But no, I think that like, and I 00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:04.420 think that I make this comment later on, that 00:57:04.420 --> 00:57:08.019 it just kind of reminded me that I think that 00:57:08.019 --> 00:57:10.280 when people talk about like the greatest music 00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.139 and we talk about you know this decade that decade 00:57:13.139 --> 00:57:16.099 I feel like there's just something special about 00:57:16.099 --> 00:57:19.679 like the 2000s where like they're like there's 00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.840 so many bands that I love that there was this 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:27.579 like 2005 to 2010 mark and this was kind of reminding 00:57:27.579 --> 00:57:30.739 me of like Zach said, is that you're finding 00:57:30.739 --> 00:57:32.739 these people that are doing this stuff that you're 00:57:32.739 --> 00:57:35.239 like, wait, you can make Christian music? Can 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:39.420 it sound like this? So yeah, I think right now 00:57:39.420 --> 00:57:44.199 it was still like above what I was expecting. 00:57:44.739 --> 00:57:48.579 Gotcha. Gotcha. What about track three, Brandon? 00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:55.420 Cathedral made of people. Sorry, I messed up. 00:57:56.610 --> 00:58:00.710 I put down I like the like building intro. I 00:58:00.710 --> 00:58:03.750 really liked how this one you had this like kind 00:58:03.750 --> 00:58:07.630 of like slow song and then there's this transition 00:58:07.630 --> 00:58:11.090 into like faster and then you have like the electric 00:58:11.090 --> 00:58:15.389 guitar come in. So I enjoyed that because at 00:58:15.389 --> 00:58:18.329 first I was worried that it was I was like I 00:58:18.329 --> 00:58:21.150 think it's too soon for us to like slow down 00:58:21.150 --> 00:58:24.099 and just have like this very light thing. Uh, 00:58:24.179 --> 00:58:27.079 so I did enjoy that you had some like different 00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.159 stuff going on is that there is this like Speeding 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:34.360 up and we're building to something. Mm -hmm Zach, 00:58:34.500 --> 00:58:37.340 what do you think about track three this? I have 00:58:37.340 --> 00:58:40.800 a lot to say about track three This is for me. 00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:44.940 This is the absolute jewel of the album Like 00:58:44.940 --> 00:58:48.059 this is this is the highest mark that I can come 00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:50.119 up with because like brand like brandon said 00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:54.320 there's like the building throughout it Uh is 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:58.500 just like it's very nice. It's very steady How 00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:00.900 you like start with just the lead vocalists and 00:59:00.900 --> 00:59:03.599 the first refrain? then like a small chorus and 00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:06.739 the second refrain and then you after the double 00:59:06.739 --> 00:59:10.199 chorus you just get the full choir and the like 00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:12.980 organ in the back and Maybe i'm just a sucker 00:59:12.980 --> 00:59:17.559 for choir and organ but like just that big kick 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:22.269 in the door like Like sky -opening moment is 00:59:22.269 --> 00:59:25.550 the is the thing that I live for in in this album 00:59:25.550 --> 00:59:31.070 I have was there That that little refrain at 00:59:31.070 --> 00:59:33.849 the end is a really good touch that nothing ever 00:59:33.849 --> 00:59:36.969 can stand against her It's almost giving like 00:59:36.969 --> 00:59:40.889 church bells in an old cathedral There's like 00:59:40.889 --> 00:59:44.050 creaking wood noises like really soft in the 00:59:44.050 --> 00:59:47.369 mix at the very beginning like it just it paints 00:59:47.369 --> 00:59:53.989 a fantastic picture so when i finished track 00:59:53.989 --> 00:59:57.369 two on this record brandon i almost texted you 00:59:57.369 --> 01:00:00.510 and was like while i was listening to track two 01:00:00.510 --> 01:00:03.949 and i was going to be like man i'm gonna have 01:00:03.949 --> 01:00:06.030 a hard time with this record because it's pretty 01:00:06.030 --> 01:00:08.989 straightforward and then i started listening 01:00:08.989 --> 01:00:13.050 to track three and it's like my mind opened up 01:00:13.050 --> 01:00:17.320 to this album Um, and I'm like, this is what 01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:21.000 I've been waiting for. Um, this Zach, I think 01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.840 is probably my favorite song on the album too, 01:00:24.099 --> 01:00:27.360 but it just creates like a moment where the rest 01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:30.940 of the album after this is very different, like 01:00:30.940 --> 01:00:33.659 from what happens in the beginning and ways that 01:00:33.659 --> 01:00:37.360 I love. Um, and so for me, the whole record picks 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.219 up here, but I really, I really love the song 01:00:40.219 --> 01:00:44.050 a lot. This is where I wrote down the the like 01:00:44.050 --> 01:00:46.710 Kevin Max, DC Talk influence too, because I'm 01:00:46.710 --> 01:00:49.130 like, this sounds like it could be like one of 01:00:49.130 --> 01:00:52.849 the more like creative, like DC Talk songs. Well, 01:00:52.929 --> 01:00:55.809 you can tell Mark Martell was a fan of Kevin 01:00:55.809 --> 01:01:00.010 Max. When you listen to this, there's like a 01:01:00.010 --> 01:01:03.510 cool guitar solo section that's happening. And 01:01:03.510 --> 01:01:07.500 then that organ hits. And I was not expecting 01:01:07.500 --> 01:01:11.599 it. I was not ready for it. But that organ took 01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:14.079 the song from a four to a four point five for 01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:19.739 me. I'm like, man, this. This is awesome. It's 01:01:19.739 --> 01:01:22.739 overblown. Like that organ is too big for the 01:01:22.739 --> 01:01:25.840 mix, but it's perfect because of that. Like it 01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:29.500 just works so well. And I'm here for it. I just 01:01:29.500 --> 01:01:32.360 wrote down love it, love it, love it. I thought 01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:35.760 this was such a cool song. Maybe not my favorite 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.539 song lyrically on the album. It's pretty simple. 01:01:38.940 --> 01:01:42.679 But but man, all the musical stuff going on like 01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:44.860 there's a point in the build where it really 01:01:44.860 --> 01:01:46.960 does kick in and sound like a phrase song, but 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:52.300 in all the right ways. It's a great track. Yeah, 01:01:52.300 --> 01:01:56.000 I loved it. Next we move to my last Amen. Were 01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:58.420 you loving this track as well, Joel? I did love 01:01:58.420 --> 01:02:02.159 this track, Brandon. I thought this was a really 01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:11.119 interesting piano work and melody. This was like, 01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:13.900 I could tell Mark Martel. is like all over this. 01:02:14.099 --> 01:02:15.980 There's like a Queen influence. Like this is 01:02:15.980 --> 01:02:17.639 the first time I heard Freddie Mercury on his 01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:21.639 voice on this record. I wrote down this album 01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:26.760 is really getting better. And there are these 01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:28.920 moments where the guitars are hitting and there's 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:32.000 horns in the background. And then somehow and 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:34.139 later in the song, it breaks out into this like 01:02:34.139 --> 01:02:37.369 dance beat. And I'm like. Okay. I wasn't expecting 01:02:37.369 --> 01:02:40.650 that, but it works. Um, there's just a, there's 01:02:40.650 --> 01:02:42.269 a lot of creativity in it. Yeah. I thought it 01:02:42.269 --> 01:02:44.349 was really interesting. What about you, Zach? 01:02:45.070 --> 01:02:49.710 I, so, uh, this was, this is a very creative 01:02:49.710 --> 01:02:52.090 song and I love, like, I think, like you said, 01:02:52.389 --> 01:02:55.570 very, very musically interesting. It's, it's 01:02:55.570 --> 01:02:59.030 got like this tango feel, like, uh, I wrote down 01:02:59.030 --> 01:03:02.869 dancing around the idea of like death and like 01:03:02.869 --> 01:03:07.059 getting to, uh, getting to your last amen in 01:03:07.059 --> 01:03:10.900 a way. I liked how it just it never resolved 01:03:10.900 --> 01:03:14.480 to a major like chord in the refrain until like 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:18.800 the very end and it's like it's it's that it's 01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:21.000 that development through the song and I think 01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.760 we'll get through it we'll get to it in a few 01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:27.860 other tracks where it's just like the the way 01:03:27.860 --> 01:03:31.059 that it builds the way that it kind of puts itself 01:03:31.059 --> 01:03:33.619 together and in small ways that just make the 01:03:33.619 --> 01:03:38.260 finish like Chef's kiss kind of kind of thing 01:03:38.260 --> 01:03:43.980 it like the trumpets a nice flair the I Don't 01:03:43.980 --> 01:03:46.280 I don't know if this is too technical but like 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:49.360 the very end has a pickery third Which is not 01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:54.519 my favorite, but I think it works here But it's 01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:58.260 not my favorite on the track but I do see like 01:03:58.260 --> 01:04:02.719 the I See the the the stars in the sky with this 01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:06.369 one Enjoy I was telling Zach prior to this that 01:04:06.369 --> 01:04:09.769 I enjoy when you have people who like know like 01:04:09.769 --> 01:04:11.909 why something is good and they can explain it 01:04:11.909 --> 01:04:13.909 Because I feel like if not, it's just me being 01:04:13.909 --> 01:04:16.869 like man that car was fast because it's fast 01:04:16.869 --> 01:04:19.250 But then someone be like, oh, yes the engine 01:04:19.250 --> 01:04:26.250 we put some the oil the special oil Brandon My 01:04:26.250 --> 01:04:28.800 notes I wrote down Okay, so you're telling me 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:33.139 this guy isn't related to Kevin Maxx. I really 01:04:33.139 --> 01:04:37.059 enjoy the continuation of it being different. 01:04:38.260 --> 01:04:40.300 And I feel like this the vocals just shine really 01:04:40.300 --> 01:04:44.460 well. And like I said, going into it, I didn't 01:04:44.460 --> 01:04:47.179 really know what to expect. But I felt like, 01:04:47.179 --> 01:04:49.920 like the beginning, like y 'all were saying, 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:53.369 it wasn't like we're breaking new ground. But 01:04:53.369 --> 01:04:56.329 I felt like, to this point, none of the tracks 01:04:56.329 --> 01:05:00.090 felt like it's, okay, here's the cookie cutter 01:05:00.090 --> 01:05:03.329 we have. And I think that a lot of bands can 01:05:03.329 --> 01:05:06.070 fall into, yeah, we'll have some different stuff, 01:05:06.090 --> 01:05:09.170 but you know that eight tracks on this album 01:05:09.170 --> 01:05:12.250 are going to have these four ingredients. And 01:05:12.250 --> 01:05:13.909 that's what we're known for, and that's what 01:05:13.909 --> 01:05:17.610 we're going to sell. So I'm really appreciating, 01:05:17.670 --> 01:05:21.150 up to this point, just the... Kind of variety 01:05:21.150 --> 01:05:23.610 and like sounds and what we're getting. Yeah 01:05:23.610 --> 01:05:29.050 What about track? Five hope is rising. What'd 01:05:29.050 --> 01:05:31.869 you guys think about that one? It goes I think 01:05:31.869 --> 01:05:36.610 I think that um, this one I really liked it If 01:05:36.610 --> 01:05:39.230 if every song from like track three has had like 01:05:39.230 --> 01:05:42.610 a different like angle I would say that like 01:05:42.610 --> 01:05:46.710 this one is more like Synthy, you know, yeah 01:05:46.710 --> 01:05:50.889 not not like hard edm but like Little like a 01:05:50.889 --> 01:05:54.570 little dash of that in the mix. Mm -hmm I've 01:05:54.570 --> 01:05:57.550 written love the beeps and boops in the metronome 01:05:57.550 --> 01:06:04.570 like like it sounds very like How do I describe 01:06:04.570 --> 01:06:08.010 it it sounds like a like a click ticking clock 01:06:08.010 --> 01:06:13.869 in the background Let's see it it does call back 01:06:13.869 --> 01:06:17.460 to like the choir feel track three a little bit 01:06:17.460 --> 01:06:21.039 and it feels like a interweaving of like oh you 01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:23.260 heard this in this song you heard this in this 01:06:23.260 --> 01:06:28.079 song and it's like all on top of that like uh 01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:30.719 aughts feel that you got in one and two and it's 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:35.079 just it's a very very nice lyrically uh very 01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:38.079 nice like in musical motion like it feels like 01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:42.059 this is just going up and up and up which you 01:06:42.059 --> 01:06:45.409 know thematically is really fun What do you think 01:06:45.409 --> 01:06:51.889 Brandon? For me, I enjoyed having a little slow 01:06:51.889 --> 01:06:56.190 down in it. I also, I don't know if you guys 01:06:56.190 --> 01:06:59.929 will agree with this or not, but I said that 01:06:59.929 --> 01:07:02.429 songs like this can be good when they're done 01:07:02.429 --> 01:07:06.690 right. Many times the CD is made up of entirely 01:07:06.690 --> 01:07:09.949 of these types of things. I think the more simple 01:07:09.949 --> 01:07:13.030 stuff can be good. So, like, I did feel like 01:07:13.030 --> 01:07:15.909 it was a little more simple and straightforward 01:07:15.909 --> 01:07:18.690 than other ones, but it made me think of, you 01:07:18.690 --> 01:07:21.110 know, there's a lot of times that, you know, 01:07:21.110 --> 01:07:23.889 when it comes to, like, worship music, and I'd 01:07:23.889 --> 01:07:27.190 be like, man, I don't care for this. I don't 01:07:27.190 --> 01:07:30.710 care for that on the radio. And it's not that 01:07:30.710 --> 01:07:33.190 all that stuff is bad. I think it's just when 01:07:33.190 --> 01:07:35.570 everyone is doing the same thing, or when an 01:07:35.570 --> 01:07:39.099 artist is only doing that. Um, so I feel like 01:07:39.099 --> 01:07:41.920 you can have something that is more on the simple 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:46.320 side that works really, really well when that's 01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:49.579 not just everything you're being served. Yeah. 01:07:50.380 --> 01:07:53.699 Yeah. I like this one, Zach, and go back to something 01:07:53.699 --> 01:07:57.380 that you said, um, talking about just feeling, 01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:00.969 feeling like musically, like it's It's rising 01:08:00.969 --> 01:08:03.409 it's going up and I felt I felt like I agreed 01:08:03.409 --> 01:08:05.309 with that and I felt like that fit with like 01:08:05.309 --> 01:08:08.949 the theme of the song hope is rising that this 01:08:08.949 --> 01:08:13.550 song was a really good blend of They're not just 01:08:13.550 --> 01:08:16.670 Creating a soundscape and then giving us some 01:08:16.670 --> 01:08:19.170 lyrics about something But they're actually like 01:08:19.170 --> 01:08:21.409 musically painting the picture of what the song 01:08:21.409 --> 01:08:24.750 is about And I thought that was really cool. 01:08:24.750 --> 01:08:27.369 Like it really as I listened to it felt like 01:08:27.430 --> 01:08:30.369 hope is rising right now. Like the song just 01:08:30.369 --> 01:08:33.949 portrays that idea so well musically and a lot 01:08:33.949 --> 01:08:39.989 of artists like can't do something like that 01:08:39.989 --> 01:08:43.369 and so I thought that was a really cool touch 01:08:43.369 --> 01:08:46.470 to this one and yeah I enjoyed it. Next we move 01:08:46.470 --> 01:08:50.369 to Something Heavenly. What are your thoughts 01:08:50.369 --> 01:08:53.869 on this track Joel? Something Heavenly so for 01:08:53.869 --> 01:08:57.079 me I felt like this one was a little more in 01:08:57.079 --> 01:08:59.460 the vein of the first two songs. It felt a little 01:08:59.460 --> 01:09:02.659 more straightforward. I mean, I liked a lot of 01:09:02.659 --> 01:09:07.840 things about it. The intro was good. The it I 01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:10.100 wrote down a note on this that the bridges are 01:09:10.100 --> 01:09:12.920 just good on this album. Like these guys are 01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:16.260 really good at making good bridges. And so even 01:09:16.260 --> 01:09:19.680 if a song is not like doing it for me, like the 01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:22.039 bridge pretty much always gets me. Yeah. And 01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:23.899 I'm always here on it. And part of that is just 01:09:23.899 --> 01:09:27.220 like Mark's voice. It's usually Mark singing 01:09:27.220 --> 01:09:29.340 on the bridge. And so he his voice just kind 01:09:29.340 --> 01:09:33.220 of floats and takes you somewhere And so it does 01:09:33.220 --> 01:09:36.439 that for me on this song I love all the moments 01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:39.779 of this song that aren't just the straightforward 01:09:39.779 --> 01:09:42.199 Moments, which there are some there where they 01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:44.260 do some more creative things There's a lot there's 01:09:44.260 --> 01:09:47.319 some fullness like the ending is pretty full 01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:49.220 with a lot of different things happening and 01:09:49.220 --> 01:09:52.100 so I liked a lot of that, but I did feel like 01:09:52.329 --> 01:09:54.430 parts of it were just kind of more back to the 01:09:54.430 --> 01:09:57.310 straightforward kind of thing too. But, um, but 01:09:57.310 --> 01:10:01.970 it worked. It worked for me. You say, I think, 01:10:02.229 --> 01:10:05.750 um, cause I went back through and like, tried 01:10:05.750 --> 01:10:08.029 to like actually like play some of these songs 01:10:08.029 --> 01:10:10.750 because you know, when you, when you go through 01:10:10.750 --> 01:10:13.109 the chords and you go through like how it, how 01:10:13.109 --> 01:10:15.270 it was put together that way, you can find some 01:10:15.270 --> 01:10:19.090 really cool things. So like the, the chords in 01:10:19.090 --> 01:10:21.069 the verse actually paint a really fun picture 01:10:21.069 --> 01:10:24.350 because you start on like you start on one chord 01:10:24.350 --> 01:10:26.710 in the middle like the minor chord and then you 01:10:26.710 --> 01:10:29.210 move up and then you move down and then you move 01:10:29.210 --> 01:10:32.489 back and it's like thematically it's like oh 01:10:32.489 --> 01:10:36.130 you're in this you're in this like I draw upward 01:10:36.130 --> 01:10:40.090 and a fall downward and then back to like a minor 01:10:40.090 --> 01:10:44.770 sounding like this is where I'm at so like music 01:10:44.770 --> 01:10:47.840 musically it's interesting I I will echo what 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:51.100 Joel said those bridges just every single time. 01:10:51.100 --> 01:10:56.500 It's like It It feels like it should be disconnected, 01:10:56.500 --> 01:11:00.479 but it works. Yeah, you know it it's Tethered 01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.039 enough to like be like, okay. No, they didn't 01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:07.140 just splice this in it But it's far enough away 01:11:07.140 --> 01:11:09.920 to where it's like it's like a sail pulling a 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:14.359 ship, you know, yeah Um was it gives it some 01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:18.430 upward motion kind of like track five like that 01:11:18.430 --> 01:11:21.989 rising motion from from an album standpoint i 01:11:21.989 --> 01:11:24.430 think having track five and track six back to 01:11:24.430 --> 01:11:27.649 back really really helps out both of them you 01:11:27.649 --> 01:11:30.130 know in the in the grand scheme of things but 01:11:30.130 --> 01:11:35.329 but yeah yeah i i agree i um i feel like the 01:11:35.329 --> 01:11:37.970 the album is still like moving in a really good 01:11:37.970 --> 01:11:41.729 way um i really like the like eerie stuff that 01:11:41.729 --> 01:11:45.710 was going on behind the guitars uh i was trying 01:11:45.710 --> 01:11:48.170 to think of how to like recreate that noise but 01:11:48.170 --> 01:11:51.090 after brad is saying i don't think i can so if 01:11:51.090 --> 01:11:53.130 you're listening this just go listen to it and 01:11:53.130 --> 01:11:56.569 you'll be like that's eerie um but i like those 01:11:56.569 --> 01:12:00.550 little things um like i i've shared this story 01:12:00.550 --> 01:12:03.069 before that there was this like behind the scenes 01:12:03.069 --> 01:12:08.630 on a toby mack album um it was i don't know if 01:12:08.630 --> 01:12:11.109 portable sounds or it might have been tonight 01:12:11.109 --> 01:12:14.079 but there was this thing where They're like, 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:17.340 oh we have to have this cd in by five o 'clock 01:12:17.340 --> 01:12:21.359 and it is like 4 15 And one of his guys is going 01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:23.899 through it and just has this like little bell 01:12:23.899 --> 01:12:28.859 or something and just going like ding ding and 01:12:28.859 --> 01:12:32.300 it's like They're just like yeah, that's it's 01:12:32.300 --> 01:12:34.760 such a little thing, but it makes the song better 01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:38.439 Yeah, and so sometimes when you when I hear those 01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:41.319 little things, I think like they didn't have 01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:44.250 to do that but it's cool when you have a band 01:12:44.250 --> 01:12:47.949 or whoever is responsible for it is taking the 01:12:47.949 --> 01:12:50.750 time to say let's do this little tweak on here 01:12:50.750 --> 01:12:56.289 to improve this. That's cool. Next up we have 01:12:56.289 --> 01:13:00.010 Coming Back Home. Zach, what do you think about 01:13:00.010 --> 01:13:04.170 Coming Back Home? I think first note is that 01:13:04.170 --> 01:13:09.510 bass is doing some heavy lifting. I love the 01:13:09.510 --> 01:13:13.670 shuffle feel in this one. like it's just it's 01:13:13.670 --> 01:13:17.909 very it feels like a like a very forward like 01:13:17.909 --> 01:13:21.630 walking song you know which you know given the 01:13:21.630 --> 01:13:24.029 given the theme of the lyrics like the prodigal 01:13:24.029 --> 01:13:28.829 son yeah um it it's very much like uh like i'm 01:13:28.829 --> 01:13:32.010 i'm heading back into like some things that i 01:13:32.010 --> 01:13:35.189 know i just screwed up yeah i know i know i need 01:13:35.189 --> 01:13:40.789 to i know i need to head this way let's see uh 01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:45.479 the chord under the phrase torn down in the chorus 01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:50.039 is such like a wide spaced chord like it's it's 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:55.720 like I don't want to say like it's a minor major 01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:59.020 seven basically which means that you've got like 01:13:59.020 --> 01:14:02.279 this dark tone in the core but like this uplifting 01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:07.180 kind of distant tone in the top end so so you 01:14:07.180 --> 01:14:10.359 get like this conflicting like Hate that I've 01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:14.279 torn this down, but I have hope that if I go 01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:17.920 back to you I can yeah find reconciliation and 01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:21.619 then the the bridge where it just like barges 01:14:21.619 --> 01:14:25.060 straight into a major like Here we go. You won't 01:14:25.060 --> 01:14:28.500 you won't let me down in this and it's just it's 01:14:28.500 --> 01:14:30.920 it's a really fun song It's a really fun group 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:34.319 and I really dig it Brandon I'm really interested 01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:38.279 to know your thoughts on this one. I wrote down 01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:42.760 I was like, what genre is this? Country Western? 01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:50.680 Rock? But no, I liked it. I think that it was 01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:55.859 definitely different than like the rest. But 01:14:55.859 --> 01:14:58.020 I think this is where I started kind of paying 01:14:58.020 --> 01:15:03.399 attention to the lyrics and being like, man, 01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:07.460 I'm in I'm enjoying this because I think even 01:15:07.460 --> 01:15:11.239 just like like musically when there's tracks 01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:16.060 that maybe like that's that's not the like like 01:15:16.060 --> 01:15:18.199 I mean like I'm way more of a lyric than like 01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:21.079 a music person so I think that it's nice when 01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:23.659 you can fall back on that okay this just doesn't 01:15:23.659 --> 01:15:27.859 feel like uh it's cheesy and it made me think 01:15:27.859 --> 01:15:30.800 that I think there's a lot of a lot of bands 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:33.399 that I know the backstory of like okay here's 01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:37.460 their production like process or here's like 01:15:37.460 --> 01:15:41.380 the label had a lot to do with it so it did make 01:15:41.380 --> 01:15:44.539 me curious on here that like i'd love to somehow 01:15:44.539 --> 01:15:48.739 find out who who were the driving forces are 01:15:48.739 --> 01:15:52.460 responsible for like us receiving this album 01:15:52.460 --> 01:15:56.979 like the way we do like is it the label is it 01:15:56.979 --> 01:16:00.500 you know mark is it the band itself. The fans 01:16:00.500 --> 01:16:04.779 voting on audioscorecard .com. I'll say, I forgot 01:16:04.779 --> 01:16:07.500 to mention this earlier, that I think that was 01:16:07.500 --> 01:16:12.340 so cool when like I am such a fan of people just 01:16:12.340 --> 01:16:14.659 doing stuff that's like different like that. 01:16:14.659 --> 01:16:19.460 Yeah. And like when I heard that, I felt like 01:16:19.460 --> 01:16:22.579 I found out about it after listening to this. 01:16:22.579 --> 01:16:25.310 Yeah. And I was like, man i feel like that bumps 01:16:25.310 --> 01:16:28.630 up the album score just no i was like this could 01:16:28.630 --> 01:16:31.430 have been the worst i might ever heard but just 01:16:31.430 --> 01:16:34.189 knowing that i'll throw it half a point just 01:16:34.189 --> 01:16:38.369 because that's that's really cool um so yeah 01:16:38.369 --> 01:16:43.229 um i wrote a note on this brandon because i was 01:16:43.229 --> 01:16:45.729 trying to place this song to you like the whole 01:16:45.729 --> 01:16:48.109 time it was going on i was like who does this 01:16:48.109 --> 01:16:52.029 sound like and i couldn't For the life of me 01:16:52.029 --> 01:16:54.510 figure it out until the end of the song and all 01:16:54.510 --> 01:16:58.590 of a sudden it just like hit me What band do 01:16:58.590 --> 01:17:04.409 you feel like maybe this song sounds like? I 01:17:04.409 --> 01:17:10.010 don't know. I wrote down house of heroes And 01:17:10.010 --> 01:17:12.369 so I want to encourage you to go back and listen 01:17:12.369 --> 01:17:17.750 to it with house of heroes ears And see what 01:17:17.750 --> 01:17:22.930 you think about it Because it had it was quirky. 01:17:23.050 --> 01:17:27.289 I said but a good kind Kind of a little bit of 01:17:27.289 --> 01:17:32.010 a dancey feel to it There were a lot of like 01:17:32.010 --> 01:17:35.069 Queen influences to this. Yeah, which I don't 01:17:35.069 --> 01:17:37.770 know how well, you know this but Queen is like 01:17:37.770 --> 01:17:41.149 a big influence on House of Heroes, especially 01:17:41.149 --> 01:17:43.989 vocally with like gang vocals and melodies and 01:17:43.989 --> 01:17:46.329 things like that that are happening. I thought 01:17:46.329 --> 01:17:48.250 the chorus on this was really different, but 01:17:48.250 --> 01:17:51.489 cool. The melodies were really interesting. There's 01:17:51.489 --> 01:17:54.590 like a musical interlude that happens. And I 01:17:54.590 --> 01:17:56.989 think that's where it hit me. Like this sounds 01:17:56.989 --> 01:17:59.710 like something House of Heroes would do in a 01:17:59.710 --> 01:18:02.149 song. And all of it just kind of came together 01:18:02.149 --> 01:18:04.569 in that moment. This is actually one of my favorite 01:18:04.569 --> 01:18:08.180 songs on the record. Um because it's kind of 01:18:08.180 --> 01:18:10.640 different in a fun way. Yeah, and so I really 01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:13.920 really like this one. Yeah What about track eight 01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:19.539 all at war? Um For me, this is the first miss 01:18:19.539 --> 01:18:23.359 on the album I was hoping that it would fall 01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:25.359 to where I could follow one of y 'all and one 01:18:25.359 --> 01:18:27.500 of you could say something and I'd be like, oh, 01:18:27.500 --> 01:18:30.119 okay that I didn't know that that kind of redeems 01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:33.039 it. Um, I feel like this was just the first one 01:18:33.039 --> 01:18:36.899 that I was like, I feel like just like the music 01:18:36.899 --> 01:18:39.880 like the lyrics there just was really nothing 01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:43.659 that i was like okay i can hold on to that or 01:18:43.659 --> 01:18:48.279 i think that that's like good um so yeah i think 01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:50.060 this was just the first one that i was kind of 01:18:50.060 --> 01:18:53.079 like i don't know it's just kind of like there 01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:57.579 for me yeah i i'll go ahead and say i think for 01:18:57.579 --> 01:19:00.100 me this might be my least favorite track on the 01:19:00.100 --> 01:19:05.909 record too um i interestingly wrote down is this 01:19:05.909 --> 01:19:08.970 the first slow song on the album because I don't 01:19:08.970 --> 01:19:11.270 think that the other ones hit me that way even 01:19:11.270 --> 01:19:13.529 though I know some of them started out slow I 01:19:13.529 --> 01:19:15.529 didn't get hit by it the same way I did here 01:19:15.529 --> 01:19:17.890 so I was like that's kind of interesting but 01:19:17.890 --> 01:19:20.810 then it just felt like it was lacking a lot of 01:19:20.810 --> 01:19:24.050 the creativity that had been happening on the 01:19:24.050 --> 01:19:25.789 album even though like it picks up a little bit 01:19:25.789 --> 01:19:28.189 on the bridge and things get a little more interesting 01:19:28.189 --> 01:19:33.220 there it just it wasn't my favorite favorite 01:19:33.220 --> 01:19:35.880 track sack what were your thoughts yeah i do 01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:39.199 i i can agree with y 'all that like it is a bit 01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:43.420 of a weaker track um i think i think for me the 01:19:43.420 --> 01:19:46.260 lyrics kind of kind of pull it up a little bit 01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:49.300 but definitely the instrumentation is just it's 01:19:49.300 --> 01:19:52.039 it's kind of more ambiance it's kind of just 01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:56.399 like it's it's a very floaty like no frills no 01:19:56.399 --> 01:20:00.020 bells no whistles just kind of like a like a 01:20:00.020 --> 01:20:03.829 a flat plane on which the lyrics sit If the if 01:20:03.829 --> 01:20:06.489 the lyrics don't really catch you then it's it 01:20:06.489 --> 01:20:09.829 really is kind of nothing But I personally I 01:20:09.829 --> 01:20:11.630 like the lyrics. I think the bridge is still 01:20:11.630 --> 01:20:14.609 cool. Yeah, but but it's it's definitely it's 01:20:14.609 --> 01:20:17.229 definitely one of the One of the lower ratings 01:20:17.229 --> 01:20:19.149 on this one. Yeah, I don't think there's a bridge 01:20:19.149 --> 01:20:23.390 that misses It makes me wonder I'd love to go 01:20:23.390 --> 01:20:26.729 back and listen to the songs that were cut from 01:20:26.729 --> 01:20:30.569 the album because I know like Toby Mack a couple 01:20:30.569 --> 01:20:34.119 years ago he released a Like lost demos. It was 01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:36.720 like six or seven tracks And he was talking about 01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:38.819 how like one of them on there. He was like, well, 01:20:38.819 --> 01:20:42.260 we already had one about like um, it might have 01:20:42.260 --> 01:20:45.439 been like his son or something and I just thought 01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:48.560 like I mean that's interesting and I know even 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:51.439 um I feel like i'm talking a lot about toby mac 01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:55.579 for this to be a down here Podcast, but um, I 01:20:55.579 --> 01:20:58.779 know years ago he it all stems from there was 01:20:58.779 --> 01:21:02.899 just this mini documentary on the cd so I this 01:21:02.899 --> 01:21:05.840 just really pushes that as a kid and now I love 01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.739 documentaries Especially if they're heading on 01:21:08.739 --> 01:21:11.859 like bonus sides of a cd. Well, there's two coming 01:21:11.859 --> 01:21:14.319 on netflix about to be like I'm gonna have to 01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:18.340 check them out Um, but he was like he was like, 01:21:18.539 --> 01:21:20.819 yeah like I start the process by i'll write out 01:21:20.819 --> 01:21:23.800 like It was something crazy like 100 courses 01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:26.479 Then he was like we'll trim that down to like 01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:28.960 40 of them that will kind of like go further 01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:31.029 with them and he was just like talking about 01:21:31.029 --> 01:21:33.770 how he essentially goes from there's a hundred 01:21:33.770 --> 01:21:37.409 like beginnings you know foundations for a song 01:21:37.409 --> 01:21:40.289 and then that will be trimmed down to like the 01:21:40.289 --> 01:21:43.869 12 to 15 that you see on an album and i used 01:21:43.869 --> 01:21:47.430 to think like man i wonder what stuff out there 01:21:47.430 --> 01:21:51.149 is just sitting there like just just a good chorus 01:21:51.149 --> 01:21:54.510 or you have all the lyrics just no music behind 01:21:54.510 --> 01:21:59.119 it um so it made me curious to be like I wonder 01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:01.520 if, you know, I mean, maybe you could see this 01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:04.239 as a whole, like the, you know, think about the 01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:07.979 four weakest tracks in your mind. Like, are there 01:22:07.979 --> 01:22:10.560 four songs that were not on here that you were 01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:14.000 like, man, this, this takes this album from whatever 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:18.579 rating to so much higher or, you know, was it 01:22:18.579 --> 01:22:22.180 a, Oh, well be glad they put this one on instead 01:22:22.180 --> 01:22:25.420 of like, you know. Yeah, it would be interesting. 01:22:25.420 --> 01:22:27.239 You're right. I think they actually did release 01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:30.199 them. Don't know if I can't remember I read about 01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:32.899 it if there was a deluxe edition or they made 01:22:32.899 --> 01:22:35.560 like a separate EP But basically I think they 01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:38.199 were the songs the fans didn't vote for okay 01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:41.720 But so it'd be interesting to know why were they 01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:44.720 two out there or were they you know, like what? 01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:47.500 Yeah, it would be fascinating to listen to them. 01:22:47.539 --> 01:22:49.960 So what are your thoughts Joel on don't miss 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:53.840 now? Yeah, so don't miss now was another slow 01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:55.680 track. I thought it was interesting that they 01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:58.859 put two more chill tracks right next to each 01:22:58.859 --> 01:23:02.140 other versus spreading them out over the album. 01:23:02.140 --> 01:23:06.319 But this one worked a lot more for me than all 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:10.020 at war. That melody is just a lot more interesting. 01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:13.779 And then the bridge, holy cow, the bridge again, 01:23:14.239 --> 01:23:20.220 so good on this song. So yeah, this I, I probably 01:23:20.220 --> 01:23:24.279 I think they probably could have just taken all 01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:27.609 at war. off and then this would have flowed well 01:23:27.609 --> 01:23:30.130 from coming back home into this song rather than 01:23:30.130 --> 01:23:34.369 having two slow songs next to each other. Yeah. 01:23:35.369 --> 01:23:42.630 Yeah. I think for me it was like just the two 01:23:42.630 --> 01:23:46.090 slower songs back to back. I think it kind of 01:23:46.090 --> 01:23:48.729 like does a disservice to it. I don't think there's 01:23:48.729 --> 01:23:50.789 anything wrong and I think it's stronger than 01:23:50.789 --> 01:23:55.390 All At War. but that's it kind of goes back to 01:23:55.390 --> 01:23:58.710 the placement of songs is it made me think i 01:23:58.710 --> 01:24:00.050 probably would have enjoyed this a little bit 01:24:00.050 --> 01:24:04.289 more if it's not if it wasn't preceded by like 01:24:04.289 --> 01:24:07.590 all at war yeah slow songs have a hard time with 01:24:07.590 --> 01:24:09.689 you anyways but when you put two of them next 01:24:09.689 --> 01:24:12.590 to each other it's like uh zack what'd you think 01:24:12.590 --> 01:24:17.489 man i so uh i'll echo what y 'all are saying 01:24:17.489 --> 01:24:19.930 like i do think it's stronger than than all at 01:24:19.930 --> 01:24:24.649 war like i If I recall correctly, listening through 01:24:24.649 --> 01:24:27.229 this when I first got the CD, once I got comfortable 01:24:27.229 --> 01:24:29.430 with it, I would skip all at war and just go 01:24:29.430 --> 01:24:32.649 to Don't Miss Now, which I think let it flow 01:24:32.649 --> 01:24:36.789 a little better. Yeah. I think I think Don't 01:24:36.789 --> 01:24:42.310 Miss Now really highlights like the piano forward 01:24:42.310 --> 01:24:46.689 stuff that you get in like the back half of the 01:24:46.689 --> 01:24:48.989 album. I feel like the front half was more guitar 01:24:48.989 --> 01:24:51.170 for the back half was more like piano forward. 01:24:54.299 --> 01:24:58.159 But I've got words about this bridge man From 01:24:58.159 --> 01:25:00.979 from like a from like a chord perspective. Yeah, 01:25:00.979 --> 01:25:06.260 it's it is so thematically like on point because 01:25:06.260 --> 01:25:12.060 the a lot of it is like The road less traveled 01:25:12.060 --> 01:25:14.520 and whatnot. Yeah, and once you get to the bridge 01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.979 The the tonal center of this song it's chucked 01:25:18.979 --> 01:25:21.640 straight out the window You're like going to 01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:24.939 like this key and this key like you're nodding 01:25:24.939 --> 01:25:29.420 to this key like I I asked my wife like when 01:25:29.420 --> 01:25:31.720 listening through this for for the for the show 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:34.020 I was like I was like help me figure this out 01:25:34.020 --> 01:25:37.979 because it just sounds bonkers And sure enough 01:25:37.979 --> 01:25:42.100 like it's it's a very consonant like chord progression 01:25:42.100 --> 01:25:46.109 like it makes sense when you look at it but it's 01:25:46.109 --> 01:25:50.130 the weirdest way to get all the way back to where 01:25:50.130 --> 01:25:54.010 you started, which I think is super on point. 01:25:55.949 --> 01:25:59.689 It's musically less traveled, and I think that's 01:25:59.689 --> 01:26:02.590 really cool. Yeah, I loved that. That's awesome. 01:26:04.010 --> 01:26:09.869 All right, track number 10 is Live for You. Zach, 01:26:10.010 --> 01:26:12.550 what were your thoughts on this one? I definitely 01:26:12.550 --> 01:26:18.829 skipped this one a lot. I think All at War and 01:26:18.829 --> 01:26:22.329 this song are kind of at odds for the bottom 01:26:22.329 --> 01:26:26.609 of the barrel with this album. Lyrically, it's 01:26:26.609 --> 01:26:30.409 fine. Musically, it's just not that interesting. 01:26:31.069 --> 01:26:34.369 And I think they do some weird things with the 01:26:34.369 --> 01:26:38.609 drum beats. It feels like it builds at the very, 01:26:38.609 --> 01:26:41.880 very end just to stop again. like without one 01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:44.560 of those full breaks, it's just like even, even, 01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:47.560 even, even picks it up and then just drops it. 01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:50.640 So I'm, it's, it's not a, it's not a hit for 01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:54.460 me. Yeah. I think for me, I wrote, I feel like 01:26:54.460 --> 01:26:57.239 the past little bit of this song has been way 01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:01.819 more CCM than like the beginning. I feel like 01:27:01.819 --> 01:27:06.079 it felt more worshipal, worshipal. And I agree 01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:09.699 with Zach that I think that the Lyrics there 01:27:09.699 --> 01:27:11.720 was nothing wrong with them. I think it was just 01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:13.779 the music that felt like it dragged it down a 01:27:13.779 --> 01:27:16.500 little bit Yeah, it's not one of my favorites 01:27:16.500 --> 01:27:24.260 either but I like the pre -chorus I felt like 01:27:24.260 --> 01:27:26.979 was a good shift and it goes kind of like double 01:27:26.979 --> 01:27:28.979 time at the end just to kind of change the pace 01:27:28.979 --> 01:27:32.060 a little bit so like Two things that I thought 01:27:32.060 --> 01:27:35.640 about it were were cool. But yeah, it's not not 01:27:35.640 --> 01:27:42.680 a highlight for me either So 11 track 11 the 01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:46.800 problem This one felt different to me. Mm -hmm. 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:49.140 What do you think Brandon? I think this might 01:27:49.140 --> 01:27:52.880 be my favorite track off the whole album I really 01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:56.140 like this. I feel like everything just like the 01:27:56.140 --> 01:27:59.880 the music the lyrics the voice like everything 01:27:59.880 --> 01:28:05.000 was just like like firing on all cylinders And 01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:08.529 I just I really love Feel like a lot of times 01:28:08.529 --> 01:28:11.029 and it's not just like a Christian world thing, 01:28:11.029 --> 01:28:14.869 but I think it's in every like kind of like a 01:28:14.869 --> 01:28:16.729 group or whatever you want to call but there's 01:28:16.729 --> 01:28:19.970 always this like well the problem is It's like 01:28:19.970 --> 01:28:23.550 pointing outwards and it's these people they 01:28:23.550 --> 01:28:25.890 can do more. Why are they not doing it's their 01:28:25.890 --> 01:28:31.050 fault and I think I've just learned that Like 01:28:31.050 --> 01:28:34.029 a lot of times when you start fixing when you 01:28:34.029 --> 01:28:36.760 start focusing on stuff you're missing you start 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:38.979 seeing the world like start changing because 01:28:38.979 --> 01:28:41.979 you start seeing yourself be the one that realizes 01:28:41.979 --> 01:28:45.260 like i can't change this person but i can change 01:28:45.260 --> 01:28:48.960 how i treat this person or the situation or whatever 01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:52.319 so i feel like even just the message of it like 01:28:52.319 --> 01:28:56.380 it was just like i said it was the uh best song 01:28:56.380 --> 01:28:58.800 for me on the album that's cool sac what'd you 01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:01.800 think uh i just want to say i had a feeling that 01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:05.359 this was going to be brandon's song like I was 01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:07.739 like, no, Brandon's going to really, really get 01:29:07.739 --> 01:29:12.920 this one. I like it. I wouldn't put it in my 01:29:12.920 --> 01:29:19.000 top spot, but I think this is the track on the 01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:27.220 album where it's a very overt message. I don't 01:29:27.220 --> 01:29:29.760 want to say call to action, but very much like, 01:29:30.060 --> 01:29:36.369 hey, this is the... Radical stance. Yeah, I know 01:29:36.369 --> 01:29:40.090 kind of what Brenda was talking about So lyrically 01:29:40.090 --> 01:29:44.449 fantastic. It's a neat beat It gives kind of 01:29:44.449 --> 01:29:47.050 like a western feel like kind of like another 01:29:47.050 --> 01:29:51.850 walking song. Yeah And the the chorus stuff on 01:29:51.850 --> 01:29:54.409 the outro like I'm just a sucker for the chorus 01:29:54.409 --> 01:29:57.810 stuff. It was really cool Yeah, I agree with 01:29:57.810 --> 01:30:00.689 that on the outro. That's cool. I yeah, I thought 01:30:00.689 --> 01:30:04.760 this was a good like Change a good feeling change 01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:08.800 and one thing that I that I like about this album 01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:14.060 is That there is like a pretty good variety of 01:30:14.060 --> 01:30:17.800 like influences that are at play coming together 01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:22.460 And like letting all those things shine In a 01:30:22.460 --> 01:30:24.899 lot of cases and so I thought I thought this 01:30:24.899 --> 01:30:27.800 was cool. And yeah, it's a pretty bold message 01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:32.100 about like our own sinfulness and so I thought 01:30:32.350 --> 01:30:36.289 I thought the lyrics were really good. I loved 01:30:36.289 --> 01:30:38.649 the vocals at the end like we talked about, but 01:30:38.649 --> 01:30:41.289 yeah, I just it's kind of nice having acoustic 01:30:41.289 --> 01:30:44.329 guitar things just to feel like a little a little 01:30:44.329 --> 01:30:48.310 different. So I thought this one was cool. Next 01:30:48.310 --> 01:30:52.050 time we move to the Becker who gives ohms. Joel, 01:30:52.170 --> 01:30:56.449 what are your thoughts? Yeah, this one felt simple, 01:30:56.489 --> 01:31:00.699 but not the kind of simple that felt like Uh, 01:31:00.699 --> 01:31:03.680 this is just another radio, like straightforward 01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:08.340 song. I actually liked, um, I liked the simplicity 01:31:08.340 --> 01:31:10.520 of this one and I felt like the simplicity of 01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:16.399 this one worked, um, worked better than, than 01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:18.720 some of the other ones. The theme is cool. Like 01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:23.000 being beggars, like in need of grace. Um, I thought 01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:26.489 that was cool and how they played. Like with 01:31:26.489 --> 01:31:29.329 that biblically, but also like with them making 01:31:29.329 --> 01:31:35.130 music and so I in I feel like all their songs 01:31:35.130 --> 01:31:37.529 like sort of go somewhere and this one didn't 01:31:37.529 --> 01:31:40.510 go anywhere Yeah, somehow it worked that it didn't 01:31:40.510 --> 01:31:44.970 go anywhere and I yeah, I liked it. Yeah Zach, 01:31:45.050 --> 01:31:49.289 what about you? I'll echo that like it's it definitely 01:31:49.289 --> 01:31:54.489 it sits at where it's at but it is content to 01:31:54.489 --> 01:31:59.319 be contemplative. Does that make sense? This 01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:02.779 is one of the tracks that I probably played on 01:32:02.779 --> 01:32:08.939 repeat. This and Cathedral are my top two. As 01:32:08.939 --> 01:32:14.960 an artist, it's just beautiful poetry put over 01:32:14.960 --> 01:32:20.539 beautiful music. It's quiet. It's subdued. But 01:32:20.539 --> 01:32:25.920 it doesn't drag it's not stagnant The the lyrics 01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:28.899 that I have written here is I I'm recreating 01:32:28.899 --> 01:32:31.520 visions through a cracked and broken lens like 01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:37.579 that gives me chills every single time I I don't 01:32:37.579 --> 01:32:39.699 know. I think that's all I got to say about it's 01:32:39.699 --> 01:32:44.020 just a beautiful track. Yeah Yeah, I I think 01:32:44.020 --> 01:32:48.079 for me lyrically I enjoy that it kind of like 01:32:48.140 --> 01:32:51.180 stays where it does. Because I think that a lot 01:32:51.180 --> 01:32:53.520 of times in Christian music, there's this like, 01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:57.640 I'm not a cool person. But then by the chorus, 01:32:57.800 --> 01:32:59.579 it's like, but that actually makes me the coolest 01:32:59.579 --> 01:33:03.720 person, you know, in the world. And I enjoy that 01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:08.380 there is none of this like, you know, I don't 01:33:08.380 --> 01:33:11.319 know, I think sometimes it's almost like we sit 01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:13.779 there and we pray like, Lord, like, just give 01:33:13.779 --> 01:33:16.239 me what I need to survive. Don't give me anything 01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:19.470 special. but we say that expecting, like, well, 01:33:19.470 --> 01:33:22.029 if I say that, then God will definitely give 01:33:22.029 --> 01:33:23.770 me, like, a million dollars, because they'll 01:33:23.770 --> 01:33:26.670 be like, oh, you got the cheat code, you didn't 01:33:26.670 --> 01:33:28.829 want it, so therefore I'm going to give that 01:33:28.829 --> 01:33:32.869 to you. So, I enjoy, just from a story standpoint, 01:33:33.329 --> 01:33:37.430 that it stays with this, like, yeah, that's who 01:33:37.430 --> 01:33:41.390 I am, and that's okay. Like, it doesn't... I 01:33:41.390 --> 01:33:44.789 don't have to become a king or something for 01:33:44.789 --> 01:33:47.739 this to be worth it or a good life or whatever. 01:33:48.199 --> 01:33:50.659 Yeah. So I think it's good. I think it's important 01:33:50.659 --> 01:33:53.279 sometimes to remember that if a song is good 01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:56.100 enough, if the lyrics are good enough, if the 01:33:56.100 --> 01:33:59.260 melody is good enough, it doesn't have to do 01:33:59.260 --> 01:34:02.340 anything crazy. It can stand on its own because 01:34:02.340 --> 01:34:04.920 it's that good. I mean, yeah, think about a song 01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:08.800 like Yesterday by the Beatles doesn't go really 01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:12.300 anywhere. Fantastic. But just in its simplicity 01:34:12.300 --> 01:34:16.279 is just beautiful. And I feel like the song just 01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:18.199 kind of carries those vibes and works, works 01:34:18.199 --> 01:34:21.960 really well. And that leads us into track 13, 01:34:22.180 --> 01:34:26.319 the last song, How Many Kings. Zach, what you 01:34:26.319 --> 01:34:30.659 think about How Many Kings? So I'm you guys said 01:34:30.659 --> 01:34:33.520 at the top, what I've been thinking, like if 01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:35.640 we would have stopped at the beggar who gives 01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:39.239 alms, I would have been completely fine. It's 01:34:39.239 --> 01:34:41.939 not that How Many Kings is a bad song. It's and 01:34:41.939 --> 01:34:44.510 I'm pretty sure I'm repeating you verbatim, but 01:34:44.510 --> 01:34:48.289 it just doesn't fit. I'm pretty sure this was 01:34:48.289 --> 01:34:51.270 tacked on as a bonus track, and I think a lot 01:34:51.270 --> 01:34:54.069 of the places that I look at the track list, 01:34:54.069 --> 01:34:59.270 it's listed as a bonus track. But I think while 01:34:59.270 --> 01:35:03.670 it is a nice Christmas song, I think it kind 01:35:03.670 --> 01:35:08.250 of detracts from the album as a whole. It feels 01:35:08.250 --> 01:35:13.899 okay. It's nice. It's fine. Yeah, I had the same 01:35:13.899 --> 01:35:16.720 feeling like as I'm listening to it It's a good 01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:18.579 song and it's the kind of thing that I would 01:35:18.579 --> 01:35:21.279 expect to hear on the radio, especially around 01:35:21.279 --> 01:35:24.079 Christmas time It was I actually went and added 01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:25.600 it to my Christmas playlist because I'm like 01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:27.640 this will work Well like a Christmas time, but 01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:30.819 it didn't feel to me like it just fit it fit 01:35:30.819 --> 01:35:33.699 the record at all as a whole like it felt out 01:35:33.699 --> 01:35:37.239 of place and As I was looking into it. I noticed 01:35:37.239 --> 01:35:40.149 that it was really I think released the year 01:35:40.149 --> 01:35:43.789 before as like a Christmas single or maybe on 01:35:43.789 --> 01:35:46.989 a compilation or something. And so then my thought 01:35:46.989 --> 01:35:48.989 is, well, they had a lot of success with it. 01:35:48.989 --> 01:35:51.310 And so the record label is like, hey, we're going 01:35:51.310 --> 01:35:54.510 to stick this song on the end of your album because 01:35:54.510 --> 01:35:56.689 you haven't put it on an album yet and people 01:35:56.689 --> 01:35:58.689 love it. So they'll buy the record if the song 01:35:58.689 --> 01:36:00.869 is on there at the end. But I don't think it 01:36:00.869 --> 01:36:07.390 works with the album. For me, I kind of have 01:36:07.390 --> 01:36:10.930 like a different approach. uh like I appreciate 01:36:10.930 --> 01:36:13.689 the song more after seeing the quality of the 01:36:13.689 --> 01:36:16.489 other tracks because I was I was half expecting 01:36:16.489 --> 01:36:19.829 it to be okay here's their hit then everything 01:36:19.829 --> 01:36:24.109 else is just like every there's attempts to where 01:36:24.109 --> 01:36:26.909 it was like here was the other 12 that didn't 01:36:26.909 --> 01:36:29.210 work but here's the one that actually did hit 01:36:29.210 --> 01:36:33.210 yeah um and I guess for me I thought the album 01:36:33.210 --> 01:36:39.550 was different enough that it didn't like it didn't 01:36:39.550 --> 01:36:43.770 seem I guess as out of place like if you like 01:36:43.770 --> 01:36:46.569 hearing this now it kind of makes sense okay 01:36:46.569 --> 01:36:49.770 like yeah I guess I can see how that but if you 01:36:49.770 --> 01:36:51.489 would have told me no that was the plan from 01:36:51.489 --> 01:36:54.529 the start I wouldn't have thought it was like 01:36:54.529 --> 01:36:58.050 as out in left field but I can definitely see 01:36:58.050 --> 01:37:02.729 where y 'all are coming from with it with it 01:37:02.729 --> 01:37:04.869 being kind of like and I think that Zach brings 01:37:04.869 --> 01:37:08.090 up an interesting point that like I think the 01:37:08.090 --> 01:37:10.210 album does feel a lot different if you end with, 01:37:10.210 --> 01:37:13.470 like, the beggar who gives alms. And so, like, 01:37:13.649 --> 01:37:17.590 I think that is interesting to think, like, oh, 01:37:17.689 --> 01:37:20.069 like, yeah, how do I feel if that's, like, at 01:37:20.069 --> 01:37:22.670 a concert? I think at a concert, how many kings 01:37:22.670 --> 01:37:24.829 plays, and you're like, yeah, they're playing 01:37:24.829 --> 01:37:28.270 the top song, you know, so I think it works better 01:37:28.270 --> 01:37:31.310 if it's a concert, but yeah, as an album, I don't 01:37:31.310 --> 01:37:34.880 know. but yeah, it's interesting. I think that 01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:38.199 leads into kind of moving into some of our like 01:37:38.199 --> 01:37:41.199 final thoughts and rating of the record. I feel 01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:47.340 like for me, if there were a few songs, um, that 01:37:47.340 --> 01:37:52.380 weren't like 13 songs is a pretty, I don't want 01:37:52.380 --> 01:37:55.439 to say bloated album, but there's a lot of songs 01:37:55.439 --> 01:38:01.770 on there. Um, and so, um, I think that probably 01:38:01.770 --> 01:38:05.369 if there were two or maybe three songs that got 01:38:05.369 --> 01:38:09.489 pulled then I feel like the record as a whole 01:38:09.489 --> 01:38:14.010 is a lot more cohesive and just works better 01:38:14.010 --> 01:38:18.170 and probably I probably would have like a stronger 01:38:18.170 --> 01:38:24.909 like rating for it coming out of that but my 01:38:24.909 --> 01:38:30.350 rate every track and divide by 13 um for me puts 01:38:30.350 --> 01:38:34.350 ending is beginning by down here at a 3 .6 okay 01:38:34.350 --> 01:38:39.670 but i feel like if how many kings and all at 01:38:39.670 --> 01:38:44.350 war um and maybe one of those early tracks wasn't 01:38:44.350 --> 01:38:47.710 here then i think that this album would easily 01:38:47.710 --> 01:38:51.449 be like over a four um over a four for me there's 01:38:51.449 --> 01:38:54.210 so much about it that i really enjoyed was surprised 01:38:54.210 --> 01:38:58.090 by um and just got really excited about like 01:38:58.090 --> 01:39:00.500 i'm gonna I'm going to keep listening to this 01:39:00.500 --> 01:39:03.180 because I really, really enjoyed it that much. 01:39:03.359 --> 01:39:05.819 And I think with just a little editing of the 01:39:05.819 --> 01:39:08.060 track listing, like I think it's even stronger. 01:39:09.260 --> 01:39:14.560 So. Gotcha. For me, yeah, I, like I said, going 01:39:14.560 --> 01:39:17.539 into it, didn't didn't really know what to expect. 01:39:18.119 --> 01:39:20.979 So I feel like it's always safer to have lower 01:39:20.979 --> 01:39:24.189 expectations than to be like. All right, well, 01:39:24.189 --> 01:39:26.770 Zach chose this, so it better be the greatest 01:39:26.770 --> 01:39:31.250 music I ever heard. But I was really pleasantly 01:39:31.250 --> 01:39:36.649 surprised by what I experienced with this album, 01:39:37.050 --> 01:39:46.899 and I gave it an even four. That's cool. before 01:39:46.899 --> 01:39:49.319 this Brandon told me about your scoring system, 01:39:49.420 --> 01:39:53.180 Joel, so I kind of split it between like, okay, 01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:57.619 here's how the Joel system works and here's how 01:39:57.619 --> 01:40:02.680 Brandon's system works. So I think as a whole 01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:10.000 album, it has some really high highs, but the 01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:13.520 lows don't go super low. There's nothing on this 01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:17.680 album that I'd be like, I dislike listening to 01:40:17.680 --> 01:40:23.220 this. There's nothing here that's actively bad 01:40:23.220 --> 01:40:25.979 for me. There's certain songs that I'm like, 01:40:26.180 --> 01:40:28.199 oh, I might skip this one, or I'll probably skip 01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:32.760 this one most of the time. I think my Rate Every 01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:36.979 Song composite score put me at about a 3 .5. 01:40:39.109 --> 01:40:42.369 But I'll I'll agree with you guys if if you take 01:40:42.369 --> 01:40:45.029 out a couple of like take out all of or take 01:40:45.029 --> 01:40:47.310 out a couple of different tracks Like it could 01:40:47.310 --> 01:40:49.689 it could definitely be like closer to a four. 01:40:49.829 --> 01:40:52.750 Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. So we're kind 01:40:52.750 --> 01:40:57.029 of Brandon you you came out on top on this And 01:40:57.029 --> 01:41:02.380 it makes up for all those striper fans I love 01:41:02.380 --> 01:41:04.119 that. I love that. Well, this has been a really 01:41:04.119 --> 01:41:06.600 fun one to dig into. I was actually really excited 01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:09.640 to talk about this because of how much I actually 01:41:09.640 --> 01:41:13.380 really enjoyed this album. And Zach, thanks for 01:41:13.380 --> 01:41:16.340 bringing it to us and allowing us to get to talk 01:41:16.340 --> 01:41:19.680 through this and have this journey. Let's talk 01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:21.840 about our lyric of the week as we get ready to 01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:35.310 finish out. So I felt like there were a lot of 01:41:35.310 --> 01:41:38.829 strong lyrics on this record so there were lots 01:41:38.829 --> 01:41:41.210 of things I could have pulled from but the one 01:41:41.210 --> 01:41:43.770 as I was just listening and reading through that 01:41:43.770 --> 01:41:45.850 that stood out to me is from the song my last 01:41:45.850 --> 01:41:49.390 amen it says and while the thrills are fading 01:41:49.390 --> 01:41:52.189 the joy is in the waiting somewhere in the grand 01:41:52.189 --> 01:41:56.409 design it's good to be unsatisfied it keeps the 01:41:56.409 --> 01:42:00.869 faith and hope a little more alive I liked just 01:42:00.869 --> 01:42:04.520 the tension um that's kind of in those in those 01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:06.520 lyrics and so I thought that was I thought that 01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:09.979 was cool so well Zach thanks man for hanging 01:42:09.979 --> 01:42:13.460 out with us this has been a blast and uh we'll 01:42:13.460 --> 01:42:15.520 definitely have to have to have you back on in 01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:17.739 the future to talk about um some other things 01:42:17.739 --> 01:42:22.279 where um can people uh can people find you anywhere 01:42:22.279 --> 01:42:26.979 online do you you open to that like um yeah where 01:42:26.979 --> 01:42:30.220 can people find you People cannot find me. 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