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Are you listening? Well, hey, are you listening?

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This is a podcast exploring the past present

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and future of Christian music and Christian Musicians,

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my name is Joel. I'm here with my good friend

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Brandon and we connected over a mutual love of

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some particular artists But also have kind of

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different tastes when it comes to things And

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so we get to experience some new artists from

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each other while inviting some friends along

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for the ride And today we actually have a friend

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with us one of my friends Growing up and he was

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for me a guy who we played music together. We

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lived in the same neighborhood Went to school

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together today. I am happy to welcome to our

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podcast my friend dusty golf Dusty, how you doing

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my friend? I am so good guys. I'm so happy to

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be here. By the way, we're so pumped So pumped

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to have you we I remember when we started the

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podcast, you were one of the first people that

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reached out and were like, dude, I'm loving this.

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This is so fun. And it for me just brings up

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a lot of memories of the two of us and playing

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music together. And it's been a long time since

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we've seen each other. So even getting to see

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each other over over a computer screen is a pretty

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cool thing. Yeah, it's awesome and I'll say this

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a hundred times I'll be a broken record but the

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fact you guys are doing this podcast about Christian

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music and uncovering and covering bands that

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I know and some I don't know I think it's like

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the best thing ever So if I could encourage you

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guys to just keep at it and keep doing it and

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keep having me on You got it, man. We'll definitely

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make that happen. That's awesome. Well, so today

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we were I was talking with Dusty and trying to

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figure out what would be a good thing for us

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to spend some time covering. And he had a while

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back kind of submitted some ideas. And and so

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Brandon, you're a guy that loves anniversary

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years. And so I was like, I wonder if we can

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meet like somewhere along the way. And so Dusty,

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one of the bands that you mentioned that was

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influential for you was the band Petra. And so

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I was going through the discography and noticed

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that their 1991 album, Unseen Power, would be

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celebrating its... 35th year This year, which

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makes me feel so old Because this was an album

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that I spent time listening to but and so then

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for you, like it's also a record that that that

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had some meaning. And so we'll talk about that

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and get into it in just a little bit. But we're

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going to be looking at that unseen power by Petra.

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And I think we're in for a good ride when it

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comes to that. But before we get into all those

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things, I want to talk a little bit about what's

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in the news. So what's in the news is Petra.

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I don't know how Well, you guys know this, but

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Petra is back. I think we've announced this on

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the podcast in a new segment at some point, Brian,

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do you remember? But we talked about how they

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have a new record coming out. And as of recording

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this, that album is out. It's an album called

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Hope. It is the first Petra album in 20 years.

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And it also hits on what is the 50th anniversary

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of Petra this year. Like I don't even have a

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concept for my mind And I have not listened to

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this yet as it came out today But but are you

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guys are you guys gonna add this to your library

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and check it out? I Feel like I have to because

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it's Petra And I'm really curious like how this

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is gonna go like I'm sure it's awesome But, you

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know, sometimes time isn't kind to artists we

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love. Right. And I'm curious to see how this

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album's gonna... John Slitt, awesome. Bob Hartman,

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awesome. I just feel like I would enjoy it. But

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I, yeah, I'm gonna hold it right there before

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I make any real opinions on this album. I think

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stuff like this is always interesting because,

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I mean, as someone who has spent the last week,

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you know, diving into a Petra, I'm curious but

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yeah I always think it's interesting because

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when you have a band it's like if you if you

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just do the same thing you've been doing people

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are like okay it's the same stuff but then if

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you change it up well now people are upset because

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you've changed it up and you know like I know

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for me I think the closest thing probably the

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the oldest or like longest running artist I know

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is Toby Mack like And I tell people all the time

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that I'm like, if you want to get into them,

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it's like, well, if you like pop, listen to this

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one. If you like this, because each album changes

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so much. Right. But I don't know, maybe Petra

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have some rap or maybe. I don't anticipate that,

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although it's probably happened on a Petra album.

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I mean, everybody was doing it for a while in

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the 90s. It was passed when I was listening to

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them, if it did. But. I yeah it's interesting

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with these all these bands coming back because

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um dusty we were talking before we hit record

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about nostalgia and how um for us as we get a

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little later on in life um those things like

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carry a lot of weight and have a lot of meaning

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for us just things that were a part of our past

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and so you kind of have to think that with some

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of these bands coming out a band like Petra who

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hasn't put out an album in 20 years that you've

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got to kind of lean really hard into the nostalgia.

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And so because it's not like you're trying, I

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don't think you're trying really hard to get

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like develop a brand new fan base. But you're

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trying to like really excite your existing fans

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that you haven't done anything for in a long

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time. And so I'm super interested to see what

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it's like. But if I had to guess, I'm sure that

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there are some modern Touches to it, but oh,

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yeah, I would guess it's probably a pretty classic

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Petra now when you say they haven't been like

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releasing music Have they still been like touring

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over the past 20 years or like they haven't played

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a concert like a show in 20 years as well Or

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do you know man they? They they did a reunion

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Okay, I think a few reunion shows. I cannot tell

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you the date of that, but this was like two thousands

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at least But John slit the singer I know has

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I feel like he's been non -stop like making music

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as either solo or like going back to Like even

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previous bands. He was in prior to Petra Like

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doing stuff and then just doing like random projects.

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I even saw he was singing with the the guy from

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White Hart At one time like so he's I think John

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slid has been like the constant like at like

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Doing it and making the music whereas. I don't

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know so much about the other guys I don't know

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if they were just kind of like we're gonna take

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a little break and just Chill out until 2026

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when we do this album, but yeah, you have to

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imagine though. I mean these guys I Wonder how

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old a Bob Hartman is if he's been doing Petra

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for 50 years. So it's pretty cool to see them

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stepping into this at this point in their lives.

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And I would just think, man, for them, it's probably

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pretty exciting. Can I answer your question,

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Joel? He is 76 years old. The apartment is 70.

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So that brother is out there doing it. I just

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hope that at 76, I'm doing something like that.

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Yeah, that would be the dream, right? But going

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back to that nostalgia statement, Joel, I feel

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like that maybe is why I'm hesitant. To listen

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to the new album. Yeah, because i've got these

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What petra was in my head and I don't want anybody

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to like mess that up And i'm worried that that's

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gonna get messed up if I listen to this album

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So, yeah last night as I was spending time listening

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to unseen power. Um I just went oh I went to

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because I was talking to emily my wife about

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petra and um, and she's like play me I was talking

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to her about the album and she's like play me

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a song And then we just started talking about

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Petra for a while and she's like, what's a Petra

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song that I would know? And so I went to the

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Apple music, like top songs. And the first one

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was like off of their Petra praise. I think it

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was Lord, I'll lift your name on high. But, um,

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but the second one was beyond belief. And so

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I played it for her and she was like, yes. And

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then I'm like, come on, this song is pretty much

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perfect. Um, that's such a good, such a good

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album. Which is obviously is not what we're talking

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about today, but that's okay so Yeah, it's fun

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to see them be stepping back into the world of

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making music and so I'm definitely I'll probably

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on the way home today pull that record up hope

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and And give it a listen and see what's going

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on there. So alright. Well, that's fun. Let's

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let's move into playing a game today. That's

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right we have a new segment song for our games

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called Let's Play. So our house band It's great

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actually with dusty we probably could have a

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house band just make it happen. Yeah All right,

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so today guys we're gonna play another round

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of CCM 20 questions and I thought the two of

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you together were a perfect pair To make this

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happen because dusty's got a good he's got a

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good like knowledge of some of this stuff from

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the past and so I think that you guys will be

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able to knock this out, but I have in my mind

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an album that was released by a particular artist,

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and so you have together 20 questions that you

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can ask me, 20 yes or no questions, and I will

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give you a yes or a no answer, and your job is

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to figure out what album it is that I have in

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my mind in 20 questions. Got it? Okay. All right,

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Brandon, I want you to go first All right, let's

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do this. Um, is it a solo artist? No Not a solo

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artist Was this was this I can ask this is the

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mmm Nick's that idea Have they released anything

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recently? No. Is it a female fronted band? No,

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not a female fronted band. You keep trying to

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get sixpence to happen. Which would have worked

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really well with Dusty too, I think. Were they

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big in the 90s they were yes big in the 90s Brandon's

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like why? Did any of them go on to have us a

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successful solo run? Yes, that's five. Okay Why

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are they so hard to think of? But then once you

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guess it, it's completely obvious. I don't feel

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like an idiot. Does they start out in hip -hop

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when they started? Yes. Was it fronted by three

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guys? Yes. That's seven questions. I gave you

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guys an easy one. Which I thank you for. I think

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we know it. Are we guessing an album too or are

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we just guessing the artist? Yeah, you're guessing

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an album. So once you've got, you can ask me

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the artist and we can nail that down and then

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you can move on to the album. Is this DC Talk?

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Yes, this is DC Talk. Is the album cover brown?

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No. No. Was it the album before the album that

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was brown? Yes, that's ten. Okay. And I'm blanking

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on that album title. I can see it in my head.

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Okay. I know it. Let Brandon go. Is it free at

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last? It is. Yes. Free at last by DC talk. Good

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job. You guys got there in 10 questions. That's

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awesome. Rock and roll. For someone who is a

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huge DC talk fan, I'm going to be honest and

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say I've never, I only know them from Jesus freaking

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supernatural and everything else. I just know

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from like greatest hits. So sometimes when I

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play these games, I'm like, I don't know half

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of their like catalog Which is so sad. I think

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we've talked about this before but free at last

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is a great record and aside from one pretty questionable

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song It's uh, it's pretty pretty awesome, so

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you should check it out for sure. I think you

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would enjoy it All right. Well, I gotta ask this

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before we move on. Do you still know the rap

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from um, jesus is just all right? The last rap

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that was super fast and everybody was like, what?

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It started with, I'm down with a one. There's

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no one with the sun. Oh yeah. I don't. I have

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to know to the never done on the flow on the

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note. Dusty still remembers it. If you could

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spout that like at any gathering of other youth,

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they were like, what? Those were the days those

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were the days. Oh my goodness cool. Well, congratulations

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guys I'm happy that you were able to to make

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it there. Let's talk really quick about what

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we've been listening to lately What have you

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guys been what's been in the ears lately? What

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have you been listening to? I Feel like honestly,

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it's I'm like it's a lot of the regular stuff

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I've been listening to I feel like the new releases

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really don't ramp up till February. So now it's

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just kind of, I'm searching for new stuff. And

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honestly, I like to begin the year a lot of times

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by kind of reaching out and seeing what other

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people have been listening to and making a little

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playlist of just new... Either new artist or

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like like a dc talk where it's like never listened

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to free at last So maybe it's different albums

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from those artists. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I feel

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like right now it's just kind of like leeching

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off of everyone else's um current listening so

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I love that um, because I agree with you. It

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is kind of like a dry spell time of the year

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and we're like coming off of December where nobody

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in their right mind releases anything because

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people are only listening to Christmas music

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and it's just not gonna get any play and so Yeah,

00:17:14.059 --> 00:17:16.099
the first part of the year stuff. I've struggled

00:17:16.099 --> 00:17:20.660
with that, too Dusty, what about you? Yeah, so

00:17:20.660 --> 00:17:25.019
not to be a Debbie Downer, but I was somebody

00:17:25.019 --> 00:17:27.559
had said something that triggered a memory they

00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:30.880
they use the word Johnny cue public They were

00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:32.640
they were using that in a phrase for something

00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:34.839
and then that hit me of like man There was a

00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:37.700
band called Johnny Q public that I used to love

00:17:37.700 --> 00:17:41.779
this was like 95. Yeah So I started researching

00:17:41.779 --> 00:17:45.039
like whatever happened to Johnny Q public and

00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:47.539
realized the lead singer had passed away like

00:17:47.539 --> 00:17:49.420
a couple years ago He was only a few years older

00:17:49.420 --> 00:17:52.279
than you and I Joe. I don't think I knew that

00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.799
Dan Fritz was the singer of this band and um,

00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:59.200
he had passed away like unexpectedly and man

00:17:59.450 --> 00:18:02.250
there's something about learning like people

00:18:02.250 --> 00:18:05.450
that you really like gravitated towards you learn

00:18:05.450 --> 00:18:08.369
that they pass away or something happens to them

00:18:08.369 --> 00:18:10.589
and they're kind of close to your age it does

00:18:10.589 --> 00:18:14.450
something to me so i've been listening to that

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um johnny q public album it's called extraordinary

00:18:17.170 --> 00:18:21.250
yeah um it came out in 95 oh it's on go t records

00:18:21.250 --> 00:18:23.529
so it was like the first like rock band on go

00:18:23.529 --> 00:18:26.240
t but um man i've just been listening to that

00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.299
there's so many good songs on that album and

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i've just been like paying my respects to dan

00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:35.420
fritz it's that's it was a sad thing but that

00:18:35.420 --> 00:18:37.900
band rocked man so that's what i've been listening

00:18:37.900 --> 00:18:40.920
to last last couple of weeks now that's cool

00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.099
that album is amazing and we're definitely gonna

00:18:44.099 --> 00:18:47.339
have to cover it at some point um but yeah the

00:18:47.339 --> 00:18:51.230
guitars um Like I've never forgotten the guitars

00:18:51.230 --> 00:18:54.410
like just the tone and the sound and the playing

00:18:54.410 --> 00:18:56.769
on that record It was so unique at the time.

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I think Orin Thornton was the guitar player Johnny

00:19:00.549 --> 00:19:04.769
Kupublic He married Miss Angie for a while. Oh,

00:19:04.769 --> 00:19:09.349
wow didn't last but But yeah, I think he played

00:19:09.349 --> 00:19:13.009
like a Les Paul which you can hear You can hear

00:19:13.009 --> 00:19:15.950
in the guitar tones on that record, but that's

00:19:15.950 --> 00:19:18.279
such a good album Um, I actually pulled that

00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:21.299
up at some point over the last year for some

00:19:21.299 --> 00:19:24.220
reason too and listened to it. Um, yeah, it's

00:19:24.220 --> 00:19:27.059
really really really good Um, but yeah, I hate

00:19:27.059 --> 00:19:29.859
to hear that. I didn't know that about yeah They

00:19:29.859 --> 00:19:32.460
they were one of those bands that you know You

00:19:32.460 --> 00:19:34.539
guys have talked about like there's bands that

00:19:34.539 --> 00:19:37.099
are not afraid to say things that may be the

00:19:37.099 --> 00:19:40.660
church or christians They may be shy away from

00:19:40.660 --> 00:19:43.619
like normally but this like johnny q public like

00:19:43.619 --> 00:19:46.369
they would They would openly talk about or sing

00:19:46.369 --> 00:19:48.730
about these things. They were issues like with

00:19:48.730 --> 00:19:51.470
the church and all of that stuff. And I just

00:19:51.470 --> 00:19:56.190
really respected that a lot. So yeah, solid band.

00:19:56.410 --> 00:20:00.309
Good, good album. That's cool. I don't have anything

00:20:00.309 --> 00:20:03.630
super exciting to talk about, but I was riding

00:20:03.630 --> 00:20:07.549
in the car yesterday. with my daughter and we

00:20:07.549 --> 00:20:10.509
were going to get our flu shots for the year,

00:20:10.569 --> 00:20:13.589
which is one of those moments when she's super

00:20:13.589 --> 00:20:15.710
anxious and worried. So I actually let her pick

00:20:15.710 --> 00:20:21.029
what we listened to in the car. And so she kept

00:20:21.029 --> 00:20:23.609
asking me to play all of these songs by the band

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The Figs, which most people would probably only

00:20:26.950 --> 00:20:31.130
know the band The Figs because they like guested

00:20:31.130 --> 00:20:34.769
with Forrest Frank on the song Lemonade. And

00:20:34.769 --> 00:20:38.710
so The figs are not at all like forest Frank

00:20:38.710 --> 00:20:41.970
or lemonade. It's like I think it's two guys,

00:20:41.970 --> 00:20:47.069
but it's it's like kind of Americana folky acoustic

00:20:47.069 --> 00:20:51.309
kind of stuff and I was letting her pick it and

00:20:51.309 --> 00:20:53.049
we're listening to it and I'm like this isn't

00:20:53.049 --> 00:20:57.109
bad and so actually turned it on last night in

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my house of my own volition and so They only

00:21:00.410 --> 00:21:03.089
have one record and it's called the figs present

00:21:03.089 --> 00:21:07.299
the figs And so if you're into kind of that acoustically

00:21:07.299 --> 00:21:10.859
kind of folky kind of stuff, it's it's pretty

00:21:10.859 --> 00:21:14.839
good. And so, yeah, check it out. I'm going to

00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:16.920
listen to it a little more. So. All right. Well,

00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:20.279
let's get into the topic at hand for the day

00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:23.539
and begin talking about the album Unseen Power

00:21:23.539 --> 00:21:27.500
by Petra. And so I'll give us a little bio as

00:21:27.500 --> 00:21:30.279
we kind of get into this just as a reminder.

00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:34.420
So. Unseen Power is the 13th studio album of

00:21:34.420 --> 00:21:37.099
their Christian rock band Petra. It was released

00:21:37.099 --> 00:21:40.299
in November 1991. That blew my mind that this

00:21:40.299 --> 00:21:44.759
was their 13th album. That's wild. The album

00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.619
retains a driving edge while veering away from

00:21:47.619 --> 00:21:50.160
the more commercial pop metal sound of their

00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:52.759
previous efforts. Bob Hartman has stated that

00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:55.579
he and the producers intentionally chose to move

00:21:55.579 --> 00:21:58.500
in directions they were not instinctively inclined

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to go. and so this album Unseen Power won a Grammy

00:22:03.940 --> 00:22:07.599
Award for the best rock gospel album in 1992

00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:12.339
and won the Dove Award for rock recorded song

00:22:12.339 --> 00:22:19.279
Destiny in 1993 and in 97 Brandon Jesus Freak

00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:23.440
Hideout I think 97 mm -hmm maybe it's 2000 I

00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:25.400
don't remember anyways they reviewed this and

00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:29.359
gave them three and a half stars So that gives

00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:31.920
us a little background info on unseen power.

00:22:32.059 --> 00:22:34.460
Let's kind of talk about our background Just

00:22:34.460 --> 00:22:37.720
maybe with Petra or this album to begin with

00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:39.640
what what kind of history do you guys have with

00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:44.759
this band? I'm looking at Brandon right now I

00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:48.099
can go first. Um, so Beforehand I was saying

00:22:48.099 --> 00:22:52.180
the only remit memory We're time Petra and I

00:22:52.180 --> 00:22:56.940
have crossed paths was first off I bought one

00:22:56.940 --> 00:23:00.400
of their CDs at the flea market and it was the

00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.400
God fixation album just at the time where I was

00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:06.119
like let me grab whatever I can and I think I

00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:07.859
might have listened to a few songs of it and

00:23:07.859 --> 00:23:09.960
I was just like I'll listen to this later and

00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.559
I never listened to it later right and then I

00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:15.680
think that they're mentioned and I'll do adrenaline

00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:20.259
has a album or a song called the houseplant song

00:23:20.259 --> 00:23:22.700
and essentially it's the song about this guy

00:23:22.700 --> 00:23:25.839
that's like Doing the like the sound test or

00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:28.900
whatever where it's like, oh all music is evil

00:23:28.900 --> 00:23:31.680
Like if you give a plant that music it's gonna

00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:34.319
die or whatever and I think they mention like

00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:37.400
Petra in there as one of the like Bands that

00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.480
the guy is talking about is evil So that's the

00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:41.980
only references I have is this satirical audio

00:23:41.980 --> 00:23:44.940
adrenaline song in this dollar CD from the flea

00:23:44.940 --> 00:23:48.470
market. So not Not as much as you guys, I would

00:23:48.470 --> 00:23:52.009
say. So that's it for you going into this. That's

00:23:52.009 --> 00:23:54.490
all the exposure that you've had. That's cool.

00:23:54.730 --> 00:23:56.450
It'll be interesting to hear your thoughts for

00:23:56.450 --> 00:24:00.470
sure on this one. Dusty, what about you? Yeah.

00:24:00.470 --> 00:24:02.210
So I was trying to figure out like, how could

00:24:02.210 --> 00:24:04.730
I like make this succinct as possible? And I

00:24:04.730 --> 00:24:06.569
just, there's no way I could do it. So I got

00:24:06.569 --> 00:24:09.809
to start at the beginning. When I was, when I

00:24:09.809 --> 00:24:13.200
grew up. My dad's a pastor. So I'm a preacher's

00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:16.079
kid. So therefore growing up all I was really

00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:19.859
like exposed to Musically was like Southern Gospel

00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:22.119
groups that would come to the church and set

00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:25.420
up Yeah and that was my like that was the world

00:24:25.420 --> 00:24:27.720
of music to me up until I was about 10 or 11

00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.980
And then I started going there's got to be more

00:24:30.980 --> 00:24:35.180
to it than this So I started searching like radio

00:24:35.180 --> 00:24:37.420
stations and just listening to whatever I could

00:24:37.420 --> 00:24:41.710
hear on the radio being a pastor's kid, like

00:24:41.710 --> 00:24:44.250
there were things I could not listen to, right?

00:24:44.529 --> 00:24:47.349
So that, that stuff is what I wanted to hear.

00:24:48.009 --> 00:24:51.140
So like, you know, Metallica or Guns N' Roses.

00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:52.960
That was the big stuff that was going on at the

00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:54.599
time. I wanted to know what all that was about.

00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.680
So I was getting into that weird territory of

00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.039
like, I'm kind of like trying to find something

00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.539
that sounds cool, like the secular music. But

00:25:03.539 --> 00:25:06.180
I didn't know this world of Christian music existed,

00:25:06.339 --> 00:25:11.089
not even like the early stuff. like Michael W

00:25:11.089 --> 00:25:14.150
Smith, Amy Grant, like all the early stuff. I

00:25:14.150 --> 00:25:15.990
didn't know that existed. I just thought it was

00:25:15.990 --> 00:25:18.410
all Southern gospel, like Christian music was

00:25:18.410 --> 00:25:21.410
Southern gospel, and that's all I had to go on.

00:25:21.990 --> 00:25:25.470
Well, whenever my dad moved to a different church,

00:25:25.650 --> 00:25:30.849
which is where we met up finally, this is like

00:25:30.849 --> 00:25:34.410
a time of change for me because I was fixing

00:25:34.410 --> 00:25:37.549
to be a teenager and I was trying to figure out

00:25:37.549 --> 00:25:40.369
life in a new school, and I felt isolated. I

00:25:40.369 --> 00:25:43.250
was trying to figure out all this change. Somehow,

00:25:43.569 --> 00:25:46.130
someway, at this new church, my older sister

00:25:46.130 --> 00:25:50.789
got her hands on a copy of this CD, Unseen Power.

00:25:51.150 --> 00:25:52.950
I didn't know Petra, I didn't know what was going

00:25:52.950 --> 00:25:56.549
on, but she put it in her CD player, and I was

00:25:56.549 --> 00:26:01.089
blown away. To me, there was no way, like...

00:26:01.099 --> 00:26:03.980
This existed like a Christian band that sounds

00:26:03.980 --> 00:26:09.019
this awesome. So that's what got me hooked. And

00:26:09.019 --> 00:26:12.299
also I call this the gateway CD because this

00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:14.900
opened the door for me to actually discover.

00:26:15.500 --> 00:26:18.720
like more of this Christian rock alternative

00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:20.440
scene that was starting to sprout up at that

00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:22.960
time, but starting to explore all this and to

00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.299
get into all these awesome bands that I eventually

00:26:25.299 --> 00:26:28.319
got into. So I have to put a lot of credit on

00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:32.640
this album for getting me started down this road

00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:36.569
of discovering awesome Christian music. And credit

00:26:36.569 --> 00:26:39.089
to your sister. She was super cool. Credit to

00:26:39.089 --> 00:26:42.250
my sister. I heard it coming through the wall

00:26:42.250 --> 00:26:45.210
between our bedrooms. I was like, I walked within

00:26:45.210 --> 00:26:46.930
there. I was like, what is this? She's like,

00:26:46.950 --> 00:26:50.269
this is Petra. What's a Petra? You're like, how

00:26:50.269 --> 00:26:53.470
are you allowed to listen to this? When did mom

00:26:53.470 --> 00:26:56.670
and dad say you can listen to this? Um, but yeah,

00:26:56.730 --> 00:26:59.369
so it was, it's a great, yeah, great album. Great

00:26:59.369 --> 00:27:02.980
way to get introduced to this world. That's cool.

00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.539
I have like a similar story with it too, because

00:27:06.539 --> 00:27:11.200
I was in middle school and went to summer camp

00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.160
and we went to a camp in Texas called Friends

00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.720
Forever out in Waco, Texas at Baylor. um which

00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:20.559
was interesting that we would make that trip

00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:23.460
from Mississippi um for camp but we did and we

00:27:23.460 --> 00:27:25.759
went over there and um I might have talked about

00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:27.920
this on the show before but one of the one of

00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.119
the cool things about that camp is that like

00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:33.279
you did all the normal camp stuff like camp stuff

00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.240
during the day at night they had worship and

00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.059
then they had teaching um but every night after

00:27:40.059 --> 00:27:43.990
the teaching stuff was over there was a concert

00:27:43.990 --> 00:27:46.930
by different artists that came through. And so

00:27:46.930 --> 00:27:52.289
I remember, like, 4Him was there, Steve Camp

00:27:52.289 --> 00:27:57.150
was there. But the one that, like, just rocked

00:27:57.150 --> 00:27:59.930
my world was Petra played one night. And I'd

00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:02.349
never been to a rock concert before, probably

00:28:02.349 --> 00:28:04.210
never really listen. I was listening to, like,

00:28:04.309 --> 00:28:08.240
4Him at that point in my life, probably. and

00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.839
Petra came out and played and I remember standing

00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:16.180
down front for that show and my mind was just

00:28:16.180 --> 00:28:20.500
blown that night and so I went and spent all

00:28:20.500 --> 00:28:25.039
my souvenir money on The cassette for Unseen

00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.140
Power, I still somewhere to this day, man I should

00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:30.279
have brought this and found it, but I still to

00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.740
this day have a bandana that is a Petra Unseen

00:28:33.740 --> 00:28:36.640
Power bandana. It's got the little windmill thing

00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.579
on it. That's awesome. I think it's in my sock

00:28:39.579 --> 00:28:44.920
drawer. But yeah, I spent all my merch money

00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.160
on that and and came back and wore that cassette

00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:51.400
out I mean just listen to it forever and like

00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.660
you dusty it really was like a gateway for me

00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:58.059
to a lot of things like A lot of things that

00:28:58.059 --> 00:29:01.299
interestingly were like way heavier I think it

00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:03.920
led me down a path of listening to some pretty

00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.720
heavy music beyond that but then kind of like

00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:09.500
Ultimately into that world of like alternative

00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:13.440
um christian alternative rock which is cool so

00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.779
yeah this is a big one a big one for me too um

00:29:16.779 --> 00:29:18.859
so i'm interested to talk about it i haven't

00:29:18.859 --> 00:29:21.700
listened apart from prepping for this i probably

00:29:21.700 --> 00:29:26.559
hadn't listened to this album in about 25 years

00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.539
i would imagine um same for me like i i just

00:29:30.539 --> 00:29:34.160
it yeah i don't think about it a lot but when

00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.599
you we'll get into this but when we listen to

00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:41.099
it it's like oh wow This is really good It's

00:29:41.099 --> 00:29:44.500
all it all comes back, which is cool. So I'll

00:29:44.500 --> 00:29:47.339
mention this too. We talk a lot about like ratings

00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:52.279
and how we do ratings and so I I think for me

00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:54.359
like I just want to be clear probably going into

00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:59.440
this that I'm not very good at I'm not very good

00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:01.740
at divorcing like nostalgia from the way that

00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:04.640
I feel about things. Um, and so that's going

00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:06.859
to be part of it too. But I also think that when

00:30:06.859 --> 00:30:09.200
I, when I listened to a record and review it

00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:13.359
here, that I'm, I'm not comparing it to, like,

00:30:13.420 --> 00:30:16.859
I'm not comparing, um, unseen power by Petra

00:30:16.859 --> 00:30:20.680
to disintegration by the cure. And like, if disintegration

00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:25.160
is a five, I'm not like, basing my view of Unseen

00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.279
Power off of that. But I'm saying, all right,

00:30:28.460 --> 00:30:33.160
this is a hard rock 1991 Christian album. If

00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.460
I'm a record reviewer then, and this had just

00:30:36.460 --> 00:30:39.619
come out in the world that it was in, what rating

00:30:39.619 --> 00:30:42.619
would I give to it at that point in time? And

00:30:42.619 --> 00:30:44.920
so maybe that's helpful for our discussion. I

00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.039
don't know. Yeah, what how do you guys think

00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.119
through that when it comes to ratings? I feel

00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:51.920
like that's a really good way because that's

00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.680
something I struggle with is that Like I do I

00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.680
think it's this great. It's this big scale of

00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:01.039
every album ever Yeah, so like with an album

00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.579
like this if I give it a three I feel like I'm

00:31:03.579 --> 00:31:06.400
saying oh, so it's just as good as this other

00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.680
album I love and I think that for me sometimes

00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:12.359
that is a struggle. I think too what's funny

00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:17.160
is that what's nostalgia for me is not the same

00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.079
like for y 'all sure so i feel like for me it's

00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.720
funny thinking about like an album like this

00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.460
i might like you know let's say i roll my eyes

00:31:25.460 --> 00:31:28.019
and i think i don't know 90s music like stinks

00:31:28.019 --> 00:31:30.539
but then we go to like family force five and

00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:33.619
i'm like man i know like my favorite album of

00:31:33.619 --> 00:31:37.339
theirs Could potentially be so cringy to someone

00:31:37.339 --> 00:31:40.319
who doesn't know that band they'd be like brandy

00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.960
you think this is good and so yeah sometimes

00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:48.480
I think too for me like Like if I give something

00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.559
like a 2 .5, I feel like it's not like a 50 %

00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.299
It still falls into like the good category, but

00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:57.200
I think that that comes across as I don't know

00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.789
to me like a one is like a That's a bad album,

00:32:00.789 --> 00:32:03.450
but I guess like a zero out of five would be

00:32:03.450 --> 00:32:08.130
an actual bad, but I don't That's why I'm in

00:32:08.130 --> 00:32:10.690
when we go over this track by track. I want Brandon

00:32:10.690 --> 00:32:16.230
to start first Here from his perspective With

00:32:16.230 --> 00:32:20.049
no history with the band or no nostalgia. I want

00:32:20.049 --> 00:32:23.730
to hear this is the transparent like completely

00:32:23.730 --> 00:32:27.200
like honest review I think it would come from

00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.940
Brandon because I will have a problem divorcing

00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:33.359
the nostalgia aspect from all of this. So that's

00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.680
going to paint every one of these tracks that

00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.740
I'm going to speak on. Sometimes I like piggybacking

00:32:38.740 --> 00:32:42.720
when one of y 'all goes first because Joel's

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.660
reviews will be something like, man, do you know

00:32:44.660 --> 00:32:47.019
that this guitar that's never been done, but

00:32:47.019 --> 00:32:50.259
they did that with this type of guitar? Whereas

00:32:50.259 --> 00:32:52.519
mine will be like, man, you could just like this

00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.599
could be like in a Kia commercial or it could

00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.420
be like in a action movie. You know what I mean?

00:32:58.579 --> 00:33:02.799
In my mind, I'm like, that makes sense. But I

00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.140
love it, though. I think that's the that's the

00:33:05.140 --> 00:33:07.259
great way to look at it. It's a refreshing take

00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:09.819
on this stuff. Well, that's what Dusty's here

00:33:09.819 --> 00:33:13.160
for. So we better we better give it to him. All

00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.099
right. Well, let's get into Unseen Power by Petra,

00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:20.009
track by track and talk through this. Track number

00:33:20.009 --> 00:33:24.410
one, Destiny, Brandon. Talk us through it. I'm

00:33:24.410 --> 00:33:26.549
gonna be honest, like we said, going into it,

00:33:26.589 --> 00:33:30.390
I didn't know what to expect. I feel like when

00:33:30.390 --> 00:33:33.650
we did the Striper Christmas album, some of it

00:33:33.650 --> 00:33:36.529
was kind of like, okay, this is kind of like,

00:33:36.529 --> 00:33:39.369
cheesy or whatever. So I don't know if that was

00:33:39.369 --> 00:33:42.930
gonna help or hurt going into this, but. With

00:33:42.930 --> 00:33:45.509
Destiny, I felt like it was a great opener and

00:33:45.509 --> 00:33:48.390
I enjoyed everything that was going on with it.

00:33:48.990 --> 00:33:53.309
Honestly, I was fully prepared to either love

00:33:53.309 --> 00:33:56.710
it or to be like, okay, well, maybe it gets better.

00:33:57.650 --> 00:34:01.170
But I found myself being like, oh, this is cool.

00:34:01.309 --> 00:34:05.029
I've got hope for this album. I just felt like

00:34:05.029 --> 00:34:07.210
everything from the backing vocals to the guitar

00:34:07.210 --> 00:34:11.269
to literally what was going on. I think that

00:34:12.989 --> 00:34:15.050
anyone's listening to this, I feel like there's

00:34:15.050 --> 00:34:18.469
a lot of pressure on the first song to kind of

00:34:18.469 --> 00:34:22.889
kick off an album, and I mean, I think they did

00:34:22.889 --> 00:34:25.730
a good job of having someone who would never

00:34:25.730 --> 00:34:28.809
listen to them be like, okay, I'm fine with sticking

00:34:28.809 --> 00:34:31.510
around and listening to the rest of this. That's

00:34:31.510 --> 00:34:34.690
cool. So you agree with the Dove Awards and the

00:34:34.690 --> 00:34:37.369
fact that this one rocks. Yes, I agree with the

00:34:37.369 --> 00:34:42.650
if I was on the Dove panel. That's great. Dusty,

00:34:42.650 --> 00:34:46.630
what about you? Yeah, like I always picture when

00:34:46.630 --> 00:34:50.090
I'm pressing play on that track one of like if

00:34:50.090 --> 00:34:53.440
I were in an arena. Lights went out and this

00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:56.260
is what started. How pumped would I be? And when

00:34:56.260 --> 00:35:00.699
those wind chimes started, I'm like, Oh, what's

00:35:00.699 --> 00:35:02.619
fixing to happen? And then that guitar comes

00:35:02.619 --> 00:35:07.079
in. It is so big and it just kicks off and it's

00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.840
just, it's incredible. I think this is the perfect

00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:13.920
way to start the album. Um, and yeah, like you

00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.019
said, like it's just. like everything just fits

00:35:17.019 --> 00:35:20.420
in the song and it's so sonically wide like from

00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:23.380
a mixing or engineering perspective that you

00:35:23.380 --> 00:35:27.239
hear everything um as large as as it is it's

00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.940
just a great track and it really amped me up

00:35:30.940 --> 00:35:33.420
when i like after 20 years however long it's

00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.159
been since i've heard this album i was like holy

00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:40.440
cow this is awesome so destiny two thumbs up

00:35:40.809 --> 00:35:45.409
That's cool. My first note on my paper is Brandon's

00:35:45.409 --> 00:35:50.750
going to love this album. Maybe a little sarcastically,

00:35:51.150 --> 00:35:56.190
but no. It's funny, as I went through this album,

00:35:56.250 --> 00:36:00.050
I did something that I don't ever do. But I felt

00:36:00.050 --> 00:36:03.250
like, and we'll get into this more, but I felt

00:36:03.250 --> 00:36:07.849
like there was a lot of variety on this record,

00:36:07.929 --> 00:36:10.750
probably more than... other Petra albums that

00:36:10.750 --> 00:36:13.269
I've listened to musically. And, and I think

00:36:13.269 --> 00:36:16.110
that that's mostly good over the course of the

00:36:16.110 --> 00:36:18.230
album. And I think it leads into what some of

00:36:18.230 --> 00:36:20.570
what we read looking at the bio for the record,

00:36:21.150 --> 00:36:23.170
that they tried a lot of different things. And

00:36:23.170 --> 00:36:25.269
I think, I think a lot of that worked. This song

00:36:25.269 --> 00:36:28.750
reminded me of like a Aerosmith song, um, from

00:36:28.750 --> 00:36:30.710
like back in the day is another, what you would

00:36:30.710 --> 00:36:35.269
consider like a hard rock band. Um, I, I, um,

00:36:35.389 --> 00:36:38.190
I, I really actually like the production on this

00:36:38.190 --> 00:36:42.730
record, even though it's not like a modern, modern

00:36:42.730 --> 00:36:44.889
kind of produced record. And so part of me wanted

00:36:44.889 --> 00:36:47.269
when the guitars kicked in, I wanted them like

00:36:47.269 --> 00:36:51.250
a little bit more in my face. But I ended up

00:36:51.250 --> 00:36:53.670
just really enjoying the production across it.

00:36:53.710 --> 00:36:55.989
And yeah, I think it's a good, it's not my favorite

00:36:55.989 --> 00:36:58.349
song on the record, but I think that it's a really

00:36:58.349 --> 00:37:01.460
good opening track for this one. They had to

00:37:01.460 --> 00:37:04.079
leave space for John Slitt's vocals. That's why

00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.760
they couldn't put that here. His vocals just

00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:11.699
like take up all the rest of the room. That's

00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:14.980
good. That's good. All right. Next, we've got

00:37:14.980 --> 00:37:20.940
who's on the Lord side. I think it was fun. I

00:37:20.940 --> 00:37:22.820
wrote down it felt like it would be the theme

00:37:22.820 --> 00:37:26.159
song for like a Christian superhero show. I was

00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.860
imagining some kind of like 90s. like Captain

00:37:29.860 --> 00:37:34.280
Planet on... We're talking about Bible Man. Yeah,

00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:36.360
I'm trying to think of what that... I don't know

00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:40.380
if he knows Bible Man. I'm trying to think of

00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:43.860
what that the channel was back in like the 90s.

00:37:44.300 --> 00:37:46.840
It was like all Christian. I'm forgetting what

00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.980
it was called. TBN or INSP. Yeah, I'm thinking

00:37:50.980 --> 00:37:53.519
like some kind of like Power Ranger or something.

00:37:55.260 --> 00:38:00.239
But no, I liked it. I felt like it was fun. I

00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.280
feel like it's stuff like that when I say, oh,

00:38:03.340 --> 00:38:04.860
it felt like it could be the theme song for it

00:38:04.860 --> 00:38:07.980
in my mind. That's an example of that's a compliment.

00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.699
You guys know a really cheesy like cartoon. That's

00:38:12.699 --> 00:38:16.239
what this would be the theme song. So in a positive

00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:18.699
way, it could be the theme song. The Christian

00:38:18.699 --> 00:38:22.599
Power Rangers. I wasn't expecting this song again

00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:27.460
until I heard it. um and then i'm like man like

00:38:27.460 --> 00:38:31.340
i this song really worked for me um and i love

00:38:31.340 --> 00:38:33.820
the play with the guitars and the organ together

00:38:33.820 --> 00:38:37.300
so this is a cover this is not a petra original

00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:41.360
it's a cover of um a guy named timothy wright

00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:45.840
um who is a gospel artist um and so he wrote

00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.030
this song and so i don't know the whole story

00:38:50.030 --> 00:38:53.750
if if it's like him and his like gospel group

00:38:53.750 --> 00:38:57.710
that's doing like the backing for this um but

00:38:57.710 --> 00:39:00.809
um but man i just felt like this worked like

00:39:00.809 --> 00:39:04.849
but it's so different um to take like gospel

00:39:04.849 --> 00:39:08.230
music and then mix it in with petra and petra

00:39:08.230 --> 00:39:12.449
sound um but somehow they pull it off and maybe

00:39:12.449 --> 00:39:15.250
that's the elephantes like at work making it

00:39:15.250 --> 00:39:18.409
happen um who produced this this record, but

00:39:18.409 --> 00:39:22.389
I really dug this song. I thought it was really

00:39:22.389 --> 00:39:26.659
strong. I totally agree it is it was off -putting

00:39:26.659 --> 00:39:29.739
a little bit at first with that intro and I was

00:39:29.739 --> 00:39:32.440
like what what is this again and then when it

00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:35.320
really started going with the b3 organ and then

00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.579
the guitar and especially when that choir comes

00:39:37.579 --> 00:39:40.340
in is that gospel rock hybrid that I didn't know

00:39:40.340 --> 00:39:43.960
could exist it exists really well and I do feel

00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.320
like the Elephante brothers had something to

00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.150
do with that It really especially as the song

00:39:50.150 --> 00:39:53.989
progresses it just gets to me it gets better

00:39:53.989 --> 00:39:57.369
and I'm like man I just could see myself driving

00:39:57.369 --> 00:40:02.260
down the highway. With my top down and just blaring

00:40:02.260 --> 00:40:05.099
this for like some reason and just like that's

00:40:05.099 --> 00:40:07.659
to me is another like successful If I can picture

00:40:07.659 --> 00:40:10.239
myself driving down the highway with a top down

00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:12.639
I'm blaring it then it's a good song I think

00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.619
and I feel like this is one of those songs. It's

00:40:15.619 --> 00:40:19.079
super upbeat, which is good And I just yeah,

00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.679
I really dug all the things about the song. Yeah,

00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:26.670
I love the tempo of it and um just it never it

00:40:26.670 --> 00:40:29.050
never like lost me or lost my interest like i

00:40:29.050 --> 00:40:31.190
could see this i could see putting the song on

00:40:31.190 --> 00:40:34.849
like uh one of my like running playlists or something

00:40:34.849 --> 00:40:37.469
just because it's got a great tempo for for something

00:40:37.469 --> 00:40:40.829
like that so i dug that one all right track three

00:40:40.829 --> 00:40:47.809
is ready willing and able i think that this song

00:40:47.809 --> 00:40:51.130
made me start realizing how catchy like each

00:40:51.130 --> 00:40:54.679
song had been yeah um because i think this one's

00:40:54.679 --> 00:41:00.300
just like the done and um i just i felt like

00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:04.719
it was it was it was cool because like up to

00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:09.380
this point i was like man it each song is like

00:41:09.380 --> 00:41:11.420
there's there's nothing about that makes me want

00:41:11.420 --> 00:41:14.260
to skip it or there's nothing about it it's like

00:41:14.260 --> 00:41:16.619
okay like i've i've gotten the verse and chorus

00:41:16.619 --> 00:41:19.659
i can skip like i want to hear out to see what

00:41:19.659 --> 00:41:22.530
they're gonna do with it um And I feel like it

00:41:22.530 --> 00:41:26.050
was nice because, like you said, I think that

00:41:26.050 --> 00:41:31.110
there's certain bands or times or genres where

00:41:31.110 --> 00:41:33.710
it's kind of like you do your own thing, like

00:41:33.710 --> 00:41:36.110
pop -punk. There's some albums where I feel like

00:41:36.110 --> 00:41:41.070
it's good, but also every song is the same template.

00:41:42.550 --> 00:41:45.329
So I felt like just, I was like, man, this is

00:41:45.329 --> 00:41:51.480
cool that this is going above expectations. Even

00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.119
this song. I'm like I feel like on paper. It

00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:57.599
seems like you would be very like cheesy But

00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.179
I was like, no, I'm enjoying this like I'm yeah

00:42:00.179 --> 00:42:02.320
I was walking through Walmart while I'm listening

00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:04.400
to it on my like headphones and I'm just like

00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.900
yeah I'm I'm enjoying this like my mood is is

00:42:07.900 --> 00:42:11.840
enhanced because of the song. Yeah Yeah, it's

00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:14.880
cool. Yeah, it works. Like it works really well.

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.860
I love I love the guitar that's at the start

00:42:17.860 --> 00:42:20.789
and um he's doing something different vocally

00:42:20.789 --> 00:42:24.050
like there's low vocals kind of to begin um which

00:42:24.050 --> 00:42:27.449
leads to something cool later um the drums come

00:42:27.449 --> 00:42:30.190
in it's cool i love the instrumental there's

00:42:30.190 --> 00:42:32.690
like a dual guitar solo which i'm a sucker for

00:42:32.690 --> 00:42:36.949
um later on in it i wrote down bon jovi for this

00:42:36.949 --> 00:42:40.969
one i don't know why it just reminded me of that

00:42:40.969 --> 00:42:45.650
at some point so i i think the chorus on this

00:42:45.650 --> 00:42:49.250
is is great um it's just a great it's a great

00:42:49.250 --> 00:42:54.489
chorus so yeah i totally wrote the words catchy

00:42:54.489 --> 00:42:57.710
hook yeah when i was listening to that and very

00:42:57.710 --> 00:43:03.429
radio friendly um this too is where brandon you'll

00:43:03.429 --> 00:43:07.719
appreciate this the lyrics Like if you read the

00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:10.900
petrol lyrics, they're really hard hitting, like

00:43:10.900 --> 00:43:15.079
they're really good. Um, so I started really

00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.219
paying attention to like what they're singing

00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:20.780
about. And this is all of these songs are really

00:43:20.780 --> 00:43:23.940
like solid as in terms of like their theology

00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:26.159
and like that, but this is like a great example

00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:30.619
of like this active faith idea of, of, of being

00:43:30.619 --> 00:43:33.340
Christians that are doers and then that do the,

00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:38.150
you know, do everything. As as God intends or

00:43:38.150 --> 00:43:41.409
as God's will is and it's just it's just a reminder

00:43:41.409 --> 00:43:44.170
like how much thought I guess went into the writing

00:43:44.170 --> 00:43:47.050
of the lyrics of these songs and Bob Hartman

00:43:47.050 --> 00:43:49.869
like I got to give it to him. He's just phenomenal

00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:53.170
As a songwriter so and that's the thing I'm gonna

00:43:53.170 --> 00:43:55.690
keep talking about throughout this album is how

00:43:55.690 --> 00:43:59.730
great of a songwriter lyricist Bob Hartman is

00:43:59.730 --> 00:44:03.289
in these tracks Yeah, yeah, I think you're so

00:44:03.289 --> 00:44:07.889
right Track four, Brandon, I can't wait to hear

00:44:07.889 --> 00:44:10.969
your thoughts on track four. Man, I think this

00:44:10.969 --> 00:44:12.750
might be the greatest song I've ever heard. And

00:44:12.750 --> 00:44:16.789
on my heart. No, I think I think this was the

00:44:16.789 --> 00:44:21.690
first miss like for me on there. It just doesn't

00:44:21.690 --> 00:44:25.449
it doesn't seem like it like fits the rest I

00:44:25.449 --> 00:44:28.750
put on there. This is the dark side of the 90s.

00:44:29.730 --> 00:44:33.210
But I and I kind of circle back to this later

00:44:33.210 --> 00:44:40.369
that It kind of, I go back and forth on stuff

00:44:40.369 --> 00:44:44.349
like this is that it's so different. But I'm

00:44:44.349 --> 00:44:48.250
like, on one side, it's like, why not make some

00:44:48.250 --> 00:44:50.190
things closer to the rest? Like there's a good

00:44:50.190 --> 00:44:53.630
thing going. But also it's like, if you keep

00:44:53.630 --> 00:44:56.230
doing the same thing, you just have 10 songs

00:44:56.230 --> 00:45:00.289
that are like in that same template. So I mean,

00:45:00.289 --> 00:45:03.659
I think that I think that it was nice that there

00:45:03.659 --> 00:45:06.599
is this, like, change of pace and there is something

00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:11.059
slower. I think that it could have just... I

00:45:11.059 --> 00:45:14.320
don't know. I just didn't care for it. I'm thinking

00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:16.780
about a word that... I thought that's where that

00:45:16.780 --> 00:45:18.820
was going to go. Dusty, what were your thoughts?

00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:23.639
Basically the same. It was really hard to get

00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:26.630
through the song and I really did try. it's that

00:45:26.630 --> 00:45:30.190
90s balladesque thing that gets me and when you

00:45:30.190 --> 00:45:33.250
start really listening I listen to the instrumentation

00:45:33.250 --> 00:45:35.949
a lot of times to know what's going on and I

00:45:35.949 --> 00:45:38.929
think at one time I heard a harp somewhere that

00:45:38.929 --> 00:45:41.989
came in randomly there was like weird kind of

00:45:41.989 --> 00:45:44.909
whispering vocals happening in the chorus and

00:45:44.909 --> 00:45:49.190
it was just like I just I can't get into it I

00:45:49.190 --> 00:45:52.909
really did try but this was this was not a good

00:45:52.909 --> 00:45:56.130
one for me especially If somebody knew the Petro

00:45:56.130 --> 00:45:58.849
was like, Hey, like what's the deal about hand

00:45:58.849 --> 00:46:01.469
on my heart? I couldn't give them an answer other

00:46:01.469 --> 00:46:04.750
than experimentation or just trying something

00:46:04.750 --> 00:46:07.449
new, but I just couldn't. It's not a good one

00:46:07.449 --> 00:46:10.230
to me. I'd struggle. I was going to say with,

00:46:10.469 --> 00:46:14.250
with stuff like this too. Um, I think it's nice

00:46:14.250 --> 00:46:17.050
kind of leaning on people who are more familiar

00:46:17.050 --> 00:46:20.349
with like the album or it. Cause like, I'm a,

00:46:20.349 --> 00:46:23.739
I'm a I'm really big on knowing kind of like

00:46:23.739 --> 00:46:25.820
the story or behind the song so like there's

00:46:25.820 --> 00:46:28.920
songs that like I did not care for but then later

00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.500
on I find out oh well it's it was written about

00:46:32.500 --> 00:46:36.119
this thing or it sounds this way because he's

00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.340
covering you know like a friend that had passed

00:46:38.340 --> 00:46:41.659
away or something um So like I always find it

00:46:41.659 --> 00:46:43.920
interesting, but it also makes me feel better

00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.400
whenever I'm like I don't care for this and then

00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.260
someone else is like I'm in the same boat versus

00:46:49.260 --> 00:46:52.420
like this is the song that changed my life. Yeah

00:46:52.420 --> 00:46:55.800
So I think I think on this one I mentioned earlier

00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.760
that this this is a record where they try a lot

00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.880
of different things and take some risks And I

00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.159
I agree with you guys that this is probably like

00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:10.329
the the miss of that Will say though. I don't

00:47:10.329 --> 00:47:12.510
think that the whole song is a mess. I think

00:47:12.510 --> 00:47:15.969
that there are certain parts of it I I mentioned

00:47:15.969 --> 00:47:18.349
writing down artists. I wrote down Amy Grant

00:47:18.349 --> 00:47:25.349
And I just I'm not really sure like Why and now

00:47:25.349 --> 00:47:28.849
I wonder again if if this is like the elephantes

00:47:28.849 --> 00:47:31.610
like saying let's try something to like capture

00:47:31.610 --> 00:47:34.630
this like pop pop stuff That's happening right

00:47:34.630 --> 00:47:37.920
now and that's really popular and ironically

00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:41.260
like John Schlitt can totally like handle a song

00:47:41.260 --> 00:47:45.079
like this vocally and so it in that sense like

00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:47.440
it doesn't sound like a miss but it's it's just

00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:50.239
like a little too tender i feel like for the

00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:52.900
record there are parts of it later though that

00:47:52.900 --> 00:47:57.539
i actually um liked um that reminded me like

00:47:57.539 --> 00:48:01.739
maybe of like brian adams on the bridge or something

00:48:01.739 --> 00:48:04.900
um and so there are parts of it that i liked

00:48:04.900 --> 00:48:08.539
but But as a whole, yeah, I think I have to agree

00:48:08.539 --> 00:48:12.099
with you guys on that. So maybe I should go back

00:48:12.099 --> 00:48:14.699
and not be so critical and try to get through

00:48:14.699 --> 00:48:17.019
it. I think it's just that I find those parts.

00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:18.800
I think it's just that part when he's singing

00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:22.159
hand on my heart, like the chorus that's like

00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:26.440
hard for me, like it's just a little too tender.

00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:29.760
But I think the other parts of the song are OK.

00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:37.699
So, yeah. Track five. Oh, yeah. I need to hear

00:48:37.699 --> 00:48:40.820
from you Yeah, are we back? You'll hear from

00:48:40.820 --> 00:48:44.099
me. Yeah, are we back? Um, yeah, I felt like

00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:47.619
I felt like this one was like different from

00:48:47.619 --> 00:48:51.679
the rest But like in a positive way. Yeah, so

00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:56.880
I enjoyed having Like variety like even if you

00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:01.300
were to take out Hand on my heart. I feel like

00:49:01.300 --> 00:49:04.449
it's still like a little bit different without

00:49:04.449 --> 00:49:09.889
going too far in it. So yeah, I enjoyed it. I

00:49:09.889 --> 00:49:12.230
think, too, at this point, I started thinking

00:49:12.230 --> 00:49:16.889
just about the idea. It's not really important

00:49:16.889 --> 00:49:20.989
to the review, but I started thinking about how

00:49:20.989 --> 00:49:24.010
stuff used to be released on cassette and all.

00:49:24.170 --> 00:49:25.909
And I just started thinking about, man, I feel

00:49:25.909 --> 00:49:29.769
like it's so different when you have limitations

00:49:29.769 --> 00:49:32.760
on what you can put on this cassette. like so

00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.099
track listing it made me start thinking you know

00:49:35.099 --> 00:49:36.960
nowadays it's like if i'm putting something on

00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.559
spotify i can do whatever i want whereas with

00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.960
the cassette i've got to think well this this

00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.139
like it's running along on this side so let me

00:49:45.139 --> 00:49:47.760
put this track on that side and i mean it's not

00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:49.719
really important to this it's just i started

00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:53.179
thinking about just like the difference in producing

00:49:53.179 --> 00:49:57.940
like uh physical stuff with limitations versus

00:49:57.940 --> 00:50:02.139
today if you're releasing something so yeah Yeah,

00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:06.599
I hear that I think I really liked this one a

00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.639
lot and I Just see I was actually texting you

00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:15.500
last night as I was listening to this and And

00:50:15.500 --> 00:50:17.420
this is the one that I was listening to and I'm

00:50:17.420 --> 00:50:20.980
like I I'm like remembering like why I spent

00:50:20.980 --> 00:50:23.099
so much time with this album because these are

00:50:23.099 --> 00:50:26.679
good songs Really good songs for the day and

00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:32.909
for what they are There wasn't a band um especially

00:50:32.909 --> 00:50:35.869
in the late 80s and really early 90s there wasn't

00:50:35.869 --> 00:50:39.570
a band doing this as well as petra i mean there

00:50:39.570 --> 00:50:43.449
just wasn't and um and so i think this song is

00:50:43.449 --> 00:50:46.010
great the chorus the pre -chorus and the chorus

00:50:46.010 --> 00:50:49.969
on this are so good um and so catchy and just

00:50:49.969 --> 00:50:54.809
pull you in um and and again the variety like

00:50:54.809 --> 00:50:57.070
i feel like there's enough of a good change of

00:50:57.070 --> 00:51:00.510
pace in here where it's it's not like it feels

00:51:00.510 --> 00:51:03.329
like every song is like the song before and I

00:51:03.329 --> 00:51:07.750
love that about about this album so yeah I think

00:51:07.750 --> 00:51:11.230
going back to the like instrumentation idea of

00:51:11.230 --> 00:51:14.170
what was recorded and what you hear I think specifically

00:51:14.170 --> 00:51:17.409
on the song you can hear there's less density

00:51:17.409 --> 00:51:20.849
in the song which gives more space I was joking

00:51:20.849 --> 00:51:23.489
around about it earlier but Slit's vocal like

00:51:23.489 --> 00:51:26.670
is is prominent here and it gives it space for

00:51:26.670 --> 00:51:30.050
him to sing and when I'm listening to this song

00:51:30.050 --> 00:51:32.769
specifically, it is so good. And then I realized

00:51:32.769 --> 00:51:37.130
it, it's less, it's less of a proclamation type

00:51:37.130 --> 00:51:39.829
song as it is more of a petition song, meaning

00:51:39.829 --> 00:51:43.989
like this is a song of uncertainty and praying

00:51:43.989 --> 00:51:46.889
for discernment and all of this stuff. And that

00:51:46.889 --> 00:51:49.929
just resonates with me just in general as a topic,

00:51:50.110 --> 00:51:54.110
like a Christian like walk topic. I think I just

00:51:54.110 --> 00:51:56.530
gravitated towards the subject matter and that

00:51:56.530 --> 00:51:59.750
made me like the song even more Um, but yeah

00:51:59.750 --> 00:52:02.170
the like the recording of it and just the overall

00:52:02.170 --> 00:52:04.969
sound of the song is just great And yeah, so

00:52:04.969 --> 00:52:09.710
this is a great song Yeah, I love that All right

00:52:09.710 --> 00:52:12.849
track six is dance. Mm -hmm. Brandon. What'd

00:52:12.849 --> 00:52:15.389
you think? I think this might be my favorite

00:52:15.389 --> 00:52:19.869
track off the album. Yeah Um, I thought it was

00:52:19.869 --> 00:52:26.420
was pretty fun. Um And I just, I think they did

00:52:26.420 --> 00:52:30.239
that well, just making just like a fun track.

00:52:31.460 --> 00:52:34.380
I also, I started noticing at this point that

00:52:34.380 --> 00:52:38.519
like, each lyric, or at least, if I can remember,

00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:42.059
each one had some kind of tie to like Bible verses.

00:52:42.340 --> 00:52:46.309
And I just felt that was... that was pretty interesting.

00:52:46.849 --> 00:52:48.690
I remember years ago, I think the first band

00:52:48.690 --> 00:52:51.250
I noticed to do that, funny enough, was Neon

00:52:51.250 --> 00:52:54.230
Horse, because they came out with all these crazy

00:52:54.230 --> 00:52:56.409
songs, but it was like, oh no, there's a Bible

00:52:56.409 --> 00:52:57.969
verse attached to it, and you're like, wait,

00:52:57.969 --> 00:53:02.110
that's in the Bible? So I just thought that was

00:53:02.110 --> 00:53:05.789
pretty cool that even on a track like this, you

00:53:05.789 --> 00:53:08.889
can have this like, oh, well, here's where we're

00:53:08.889 --> 00:53:11.409
getting this idea of celebration or this thing

00:53:11.409 --> 00:53:15.280
I'm basing it off of. um yeah i i really enjoyed

00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:21.079
um this track that's cool dusty yeah this is

00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:23.159
another great one now i'm a broken record i'm

00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:25.519
saying that about most this is another great

00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:27.739
one as a guitar player myself the first thing

00:53:27.739 --> 00:53:31.139
my ear goes to is those heavy um guitars pre

00:53:31.139 --> 00:53:35.900
-verses um and just just how big this song sounds

00:53:36.620 --> 00:53:39.539
I love Slitz vocals in this one particularly

00:53:39.539 --> 00:53:43.679
because he hits these super high notes And I'm

00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:46.380
like man that brother like he's just killing

00:53:46.380 --> 00:53:50.219
it but overall, it's just a good listen and it's

00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:54.579
just it's yeah, it's Great song. Mm -hmm. Yeah,

00:53:54.579 --> 00:53:58.320
I like this. Um, I wrote down the Aerosmith again

00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.820
for this check and I honestly like as it was

00:54:01.820 --> 00:54:04.909
starting I wanted to like I wanted to be like,

00:54:04.969 --> 00:54:07.889
all right, this is a song that I don't like,

00:54:08.230 --> 00:54:10.429
just because I felt like I sort of needed a little

00:54:10.429 --> 00:54:12.590
more of that on this record. But then it just

00:54:12.590 --> 00:54:15.050
kept going and I'm like, no, no, I'm into it.

00:54:15.750 --> 00:54:19.590
I like it. It just kept winning me over. The

00:54:19.590 --> 00:54:21.849
chorus is good. There's a great turnaround that

00:54:21.849 --> 00:54:25.510
happens. There's a lot of thought that went into

00:54:25.510 --> 00:54:29.170
putting these songs together and a lot more than

00:54:29.170 --> 00:54:34.599
you would think on a record like this. yeah this

00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.780
I mean again like the album just keeps surprising

00:54:37.780 --> 00:54:41.619
me like with with not having listened to it in

00:54:41.619 --> 00:54:44.960
25 years like how much I can still enjoy it so

00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.039
it's kind of interesting I think is interesting

00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:49.960
that you know like you throw around oh it sounds

00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:54.940
repetitive or it's the same or whatever but it's

00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:57.480
it's funny that you'll say that but then there's

00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.440
three of them that won't connect but then one

00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.679
of them does connect and then you start realizing

00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:04.039
okay well there is a difference even though i

00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:07.519
think on the surface there's like it it is the

00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:09.260
same it's like no there's little differences

00:55:09.260 --> 00:55:12.480
and maybe it's just like the the way it's singing

00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:14.840
or like a small instrument change or something

00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:19.840
like that yeah yeah that's a good point all right

00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:24.940
seven secret weapon I was trying to figure out

00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:27.739
what the sound was because I don't think it's

00:55:27.739 --> 00:55:29.619
a guitar But I'm thinking it might be is it like

00:55:29.619 --> 00:55:33.179
an organ in the background? But I like the beat.

00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:36.840
Yeah, I really liked it. Yeah, and so I was trying

00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:40.920
to figure out what it was and I was this is one

00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.360
of the tracks where I'm like I'll let them go

00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.320
first that way they can say isn't that nice they

00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.639
use this and I go You're right. Yeah, I also

00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:52.699
enjoyed that But yeah, it was I just I was like,

00:55:52.980 --> 00:55:55.940
that's cool that there's still this little twist

00:55:55.940 --> 00:55:59.820
that, you know, if it has been happening, I haven't

00:55:59.820 --> 00:56:02.239
like picked up on it. But on this one, I'm picking

00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.059
up on it. So I'm enjoying that. You know, it

00:56:05.059 --> 00:56:08.619
just goes back to trying a band like this. It's

00:56:08.619 --> 00:56:10.880
I always have this thought that this could be

00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:12.960
an album where I'm at this point. I'm like, come

00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:14.739
on, can there be something good on this? Because

00:56:14.739 --> 00:56:17.300
I want to say something positive. And I feel

00:56:17.300 --> 00:56:20.280
like it up to this point. there's been one track

00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.380
that I'm like I haven't cared for everything

00:56:22.380 --> 00:56:24.760
else I'm like yeah I I've enjoyed this like I

00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:27.800
don't find it annoying or anything like that

00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:33.199
yeah that's cool yeah I I do think that this

00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:35.679
this one's not one of my favorites on the record

00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.519
um but I do think that the thing that stands

00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:42.519
out for me on this one that I did enjoy was just

00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.659
the the production of it that there are a lot

00:56:45.659 --> 00:56:49.039
of flourishes and different different things

00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.079
like the organ and different stuff that just

00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:54.900
stand out that that work um but maybe with some

00:56:54.900 --> 00:56:57.619
of that like it feels the song feels like a little

00:56:57.619 --> 00:57:00.099
disjointed to me and not as cohesive as some

00:57:00.099 --> 00:57:04.360
of the some of the earlier ones um but yeah i

00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.110
don't know let's see what you think Yeah, I got

00:57:07.110 --> 00:57:09.690
to call out John slid again. He hits another

00:57:09.690 --> 00:57:13.110
like like these high notes on the song He hits

00:57:13.110 --> 00:57:16.070
them and it's incredible. But the solo guitar

00:57:16.070 --> 00:57:18.570
solo I thought Hartman nailed it I love the way

00:57:18.570 --> 00:57:21.489
it ends because it does that sustain like it

00:57:21.489 --> 00:57:24.769
stays on the one chord and it slowly fades out

00:57:24.769 --> 00:57:27.309
and you just hear it go go go go and I just dig

00:57:27.309 --> 00:57:29.750
that it wasn't my favorite song by any means

00:57:29.750 --> 00:57:33.929
but um, like I like I got into it once it had

00:57:33.929 --> 00:57:36.590
been going for a little bit, but Just Hartman

00:57:36.590 --> 00:57:39.210
man. I got so much respect for that guy and how

00:57:39.210 --> 00:57:42.550
great he is as a guitarist and a writer So this

00:57:42.550 --> 00:57:45.409
is a it's the message of the song I think is

00:57:45.409 --> 00:57:48.730
like what I cared about the most of Having like

00:57:48.730 --> 00:57:51.130
you care about somebody so you're you praying

00:57:51.130 --> 00:57:53.570
for them all that and that that makes me like

00:57:53.570 --> 00:57:56.989
the song more Than I originally would but you

00:57:56.989 --> 00:57:59.730
know, it wasn't my favorite, but it was a good

00:57:59.730 --> 00:58:04.019
track Yeah I haven't brought this up yet, but

00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:06.739
something that I noticed listening to it is how

00:58:06.739 --> 00:58:09.260
often they use the classic fade out at the end

00:58:09.260 --> 00:58:13.019
of a track on this album. I know it probably

00:58:13.019 --> 00:58:15.380
wasn't every song, but it almost felt like every

00:58:15.380 --> 00:58:18.079
song to me as like the fade out at the end. And

00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:22.000
I'm like, man, nobody does that anymore. But

00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:26.059
it makes me sad. I love it. I love it. But yeah,

00:58:26.099 --> 00:58:29.409
it is it is kind of fun. All right. Track eight,

00:58:29.630 --> 00:58:37.610
Sight Unseen. Let's see. I enjoyed the guitar

00:58:37.610 --> 00:58:41.250
solos and I wrote down again that songs are just

00:58:41.250 --> 00:58:45.530
so catchy. Like I found another one that I think

00:58:45.530 --> 00:58:48.289
there's a fine line of being annoying. Like when

00:58:48.289 --> 00:58:51.489
you get a song stuck in your head, it's either

00:58:51.489 --> 00:58:55.309
one that's just really catchy and fun or just

00:58:55.309 --> 00:58:59.860
the most annoying song. and so I enjoyed that

00:58:59.860 --> 00:59:03.500
when I walked away like singing along to like

00:59:03.500 --> 00:59:07.099
the songs that like were catchy so it made me

00:59:07.099 --> 00:59:10.760
thankful that I didn't spend my whole day just

00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:13.239
replaying something I didn't care for in my head

00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:18.219
but yeah I just I really catchy and like I said

00:59:18.219 --> 00:59:20.679
I think the guitar solos for whatever reason

00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:25.539
stood out like on this track to me Yeah, I thought

00:59:25.539 --> 00:59:30.480
about that too. That I like that. And I like

00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:36.059
the lyrics on this one. Just the idea about faith

00:59:36.059 --> 00:59:41.059
and what it involves. And so I feel like for

00:59:41.059 --> 00:59:42.920
whatever reason, that's what stood out to me

00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:44.900
the most about this song, just because I enjoyed

00:59:44.900 --> 00:59:48.079
it. I thought that the lyrics were really well

00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:52.530
done. and um that just kind of shined more than

00:59:52.530 --> 00:59:54.670
anything so most of my notes were about that

00:59:54.670 --> 00:59:58.110
but yeah what about you? I will say Brandon on

00:59:58.110 --> 01:00:01.849
that note like I literally wrote the chorus gets

01:00:01.849 --> 01:00:05.630
stuck in the head because it yeah it was something

01:00:05.630 --> 01:00:07.670
like it would get I would listen to it and then

01:00:07.670 --> 01:00:09.570
I would keep hearing it after I listen to the

01:00:09.570 --> 01:00:11.469
song I'm like okay it's gonna be one of these

01:00:11.469 --> 01:00:16.670
songs but um mid -tempo like it was it it was

01:00:16.670 --> 01:00:20.860
big like I get it but I think Bob Hartman pulled

01:00:20.860 --> 01:00:23.199
the wah pedal out and started using that on the

01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:24.980
song and I think that's what stood out to me

01:00:24.980 --> 01:00:26.800
It's like oh, he's using the wah pedal here.

01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.920
Mm -hmm. Nothing else really I kind of I didn't

01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:34.619
really feel a lot for this song. It was good,

01:00:34.659 --> 01:00:39.340
but I Was like yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. I kind

01:00:39.340 --> 01:00:40.960
of felt like all right We're getting towards

01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:44.300
the end of the record here. Mm -hmm, and it just

01:00:44.300 --> 01:00:46.780
kind of felt like it a little bit with that one.

01:00:46.780 --> 01:00:51.800
Mm -hmm Okay, Brandon you want to talk us through

01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:56.239
track 9 hey world I think it's it's an it was

01:00:56.239 --> 01:01:01.199
another mess like I just I think it's just I

01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:03.480
Don't I don't know. I think it's just hard when

01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:07.340
you have a band that is Kind of like known is

01:01:07.340 --> 01:01:11.019
this like energy and all to like translate that

01:01:11.019 --> 01:01:15.239
into something slower or I mean, I mean I don't

01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:17.300
know y 'all's opinion on this but for me, it's

01:01:17.300 --> 01:01:20.690
just sometimes like hard for that because I mean

01:01:20.690 --> 01:01:24.829
like I like Family Force 5 like it's it's a band

01:01:24.829 --> 01:01:28.989
that I grew up when and I kind of felt the same

01:01:28.989 --> 01:01:30.750
way where sometimes there was a struggle for

01:01:30.750 --> 01:01:32.789
them to like hit the brakes because they were

01:01:32.789 --> 01:01:37.550
so good at just this like crazy all over the

01:01:37.550 --> 01:01:40.289
place that it was hard for them to like hit the

01:01:40.289 --> 01:01:42.789
brakes and it be smooth it felt more like they

01:01:42.789 --> 01:01:47.179
were slamming on brakes and like I don't know

01:01:47.179 --> 01:01:50.199
like it just didn't I know the track which wasn't

01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:53.099
working for me but you know those family force

01:01:53.099 --> 01:01:55.519
five songs on that album were my favorite songs

01:01:55.519 --> 01:02:02.159
on that album so I don't know um yeah I like

01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:06.820
um again not my favorite song on the record but

01:02:06.820 --> 01:02:11.340
I I'm a sucker for like the 80s 90s keys, electric

01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:15.099
piano. And so I'm here for it. And I felt I think

01:02:15.099 --> 01:02:17.539
knowing Petra enough that, yes, they are generally

01:02:17.539 --> 01:02:19.300
known for like the hard rock thing, but there's

01:02:19.300 --> 01:02:21.300
always moments on the records where they pull

01:02:21.300 --> 01:02:25.659
back. And this felt more like Petra pulling back

01:02:25.659 --> 01:02:29.420
to me than Handled My Heart did. It felt like

01:02:29.420 --> 01:02:33.019
it was more cohesive and it fit the record. I

01:02:33.019 --> 01:02:36.940
also like I mean, this is a song about abortion

01:02:36.940 --> 01:02:42.219
and adoption and and choosing that and And so

01:02:42.219 --> 01:02:46.519
I just it felt personal to me like with my kids

01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:52.139
being adopted and so I feel like Yeah, like I

01:02:52.139 --> 01:02:54.320
don't know. I thought the guitar solos were great

01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:57.820
Again, not my favorite song, but I think like

01:02:57.820 --> 01:02:59.679
the message of it and the way that the message

01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:03.900
was portrayed I thought was was like pretty well

01:03:03.900 --> 01:03:08.750
pretty well done And yeah, I mean I was I was

01:03:08.750 --> 01:03:11.610
here for the change of pace. I don't know and

01:03:11.610 --> 01:03:16.750
this is where Brandon and I Diverge power man

01:03:16.750 --> 01:03:20.730
Where because I want to say this is the song

01:03:20.730 --> 01:03:24.630
that I love the most on this album And they did

01:03:24.630 --> 01:03:27.329
pull back and that the industry is not as heavy

01:03:27.329 --> 01:03:30.809
and all that there's something about Just the

01:03:30.809 --> 01:03:34.610
chord progressions and of course the lyric and

01:03:34.610 --> 01:03:38.030
the way all of this song is put together I love

01:03:38.030 --> 01:03:41.650
this song and I listen to this song even so this

01:03:41.650 --> 01:03:44.429
was the song that I would listen to outside of

01:03:44.429 --> 01:03:46.309
listening to the album whatever I had it on a

01:03:46.309 --> 01:03:49.969
playlist my Christian music 90s playlist yeah

01:03:49.969 --> 01:03:52.590
I put this song on that play and I will hear

01:03:52.590 --> 01:03:55.449
it occasionally through the rotation and man

01:03:55.449 --> 01:03:58.690
I love it I think it is so good and the message

01:03:58.690 --> 01:04:03.769
is great Yeah, just I love this song so I can't

01:04:03.769 --> 01:04:06.210
say it enough. I love this. This is my favorite

01:04:06.210 --> 01:04:09.210
song So I'm sorry Brandon you we don't see eye

01:04:09.210 --> 01:04:12.309
to eye on that. Well, it is like incredible I'm

01:04:12.309 --> 01:04:15.559
really glad that I could put a damper on the

01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:19.199
song that changed us his life and his adoption

01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:23.239
and life dusty got what he wanted though like

01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:25.659
this is the moment that he's been waiting for

01:04:25.659 --> 01:04:29.420
is to hear your unfiltered thoughts first all

01:04:29.420 --> 01:04:32.000
i wanted was transparency and then he gave it

01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:34.500
to me i'm learning my lesson so next time i'll

01:04:34.500 --> 01:04:39.659
be like no go ahead you should go first Oh, I

01:04:39.659 --> 01:04:42.699
love it. I love it. And I mean, honestly, I thought

01:04:42.699 --> 01:04:45.199
we were going to get here way before Track 9

01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:49.960
for you guys to be disagreeing on this. So I'm

01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:51.920
impressed. I'm impressed that we made it this

01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:54.179
far. I think that's good. All right. Closing

01:04:54.179 --> 01:04:58.559
track, In the Likeness of You. What do you guys

01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:01.619
think? Another slow song Brandon said. I know.

01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:06.199
I'll roll the dice again and say. I don't know,

01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:10.519
just wasn't one of my favorites. I feel like

01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:14.920
I kept waiting for it to kind of like pick up.

01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:20.559
And I think this is when I went back to like

01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:24.739
putting together a, I guess the, I don't know

01:05:24.739 --> 01:05:27.079
what the word is, the psychology maybe behind

01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:30.059
like putting out track lists, like track listing

01:05:30.059 --> 01:05:33.760
is I'm thinking... If I was putting this together,

01:05:33.900 --> 01:05:38.539
maybe I throw one of these like slower songs

01:05:38.539 --> 01:05:43.139
more in the mix, like mix them up and on like

01:05:43.139 --> 01:05:46.039
a higher note, but it's me thinking, well, if

01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:50.860
it's 91, is this something that typically in

01:05:50.860 --> 01:05:53.139
their minds they're thinking, no, we have, there's

01:05:53.139 --> 01:05:57.460
a reason why we have these slower tracks. Cause

01:05:57.460 --> 01:06:00.019
I feel like, I mean, I don't know y 'all's thoughts,

01:06:00.019 --> 01:06:02.820
but I think the second side of this, is a little

01:06:02.820 --> 01:06:09.579
slower than the first one or feels like it. So

01:06:09.579 --> 01:06:12.679
it made me start thinking, well, is that a choice

01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:16.199
they're making because there's a reason? Or is

01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:18.800
it just, yeah, we're going to throw these at

01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:24.300
the end? Because I was thinking, even in a concert,

01:06:25.059 --> 01:06:28.539
I could see it ending with either picking back

01:06:28.539 --> 01:06:31.440
up and ending on a party song, or maybe having

01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:36.820
like a more more energetic song than ending with

01:06:36.820 --> 01:06:39.599
a slower one but it made me just think like even

01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:42.980
on a live show if i had both of these tracks

01:06:42.980 --> 01:06:47.380
back to back like am i like am i enjoying it

01:06:47.380 --> 01:06:50.239
or could it maybe just i don't know maybe just

01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:52.820
changing up the track listing improves it a little

01:06:52.820 --> 01:06:56.559
yeah new for you that Because you do have this

01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.900
idea in your head if you want an album to go

01:06:58.900 --> 01:07:02.519
like a concert And so I knew man this this isn't

01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:05.420
gonna work for you at the end Either one of these

01:07:05.420 --> 01:07:08.719
songs really and so I kind of knew going into

01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:10.840
that that that you're gonna struggle with it

01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:12.519
and dusty What were your thoughts on this one?

01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:16.699
So I do agree somewhat with what Brandon said

01:07:16.699 --> 01:07:21.440
about Closing it felt weird being this much quieter

01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:25.039
song I think that was done on purpose. And if

01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.079
I'm remembering this correctly, the keyboard

01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:31.460
player, John Lowry, I think his name, um, he

01:07:31.460 --> 01:07:34.320
had written this song, um, just on piano or whatever.

01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:37.659
And as they were mixing it in the studio, the

01:07:37.659 --> 01:07:40.000
engineer at that time who was mixing said it

01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.719
kind of took a life of its own. And there was

01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.820
a decision made that instead of going with the

01:07:45.820 --> 01:07:48.699
powerful, big ending of the album, they wanted

01:07:48.699 --> 01:07:52.309
something a little more reflective and humbling

01:07:52.309 --> 01:07:56.309
I guess to an extent of where it's it's more

01:07:56.309 --> 01:08:01.449
like an introspective quieter moment so they

01:08:01.449 --> 01:08:05.070
did that intentionally I believe I think somewhat

01:08:05.070 --> 01:08:08.699
that maybe a 90s thing too like a christian 90s

01:08:08.699 --> 01:08:11.500
thing of where they'll tack on that last track

01:08:11.500 --> 01:08:14.239
to be something like that of where oh we're gonna

01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:16.899
be introspective and we're gonna just reflect

01:08:16.899 --> 01:08:19.739
on things and like that's how albums would end

01:08:19.739 --> 01:08:22.720
uh it felt more common back then but um yeah

01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:29.060
like it's a good song i don't My tastes are not

01:08:29.060 --> 01:08:32.079
such that I would listen to this a lot But I

01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:34.720
appreciate it and I respect it for what it is.

01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:39.880
It has a great message So for that alone, yeah,

01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:43.380
it's a good track, but it's not It's not one

01:08:43.380 --> 01:08:46.500
of my favorites. I Really do you love the heart

01:08:46.500 --> 01:08:50.380
behind the song? and I think I think that comes

01:08:50.380 --> 01:08:54.800
out this felt like a John and Dino elefante song

01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:58.079
to me more than a Petra song Like if you ever

01:08:58.079 --> 01:08:59.779
listen the guys who produce this if you ever

01:08:59.779 --> 01:09:02.500
listen to any of their on music like it feels

01:09:02.500 --> 01:09:07.079
like this Yeah But I think I think the melody

01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:11.640
is good And it does build but it doesn't build

01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:15.819
to where you wanted it to build I remember like

01:09:15.819 --> 01:09:19.100
think I was thinking the same thing being so

01:09:19.100 --> 01:09:21.020
long since I listen to it I'm like, oh, yeah,

01:09:21.020 --> 01:09:23.560
this one is gonna build to something. That's

01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:29.119
pretty cool and It, it just stepped up, um, and

01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:33.020
never really built anywhere. Um, but, um, yeah,

01:09:33.020 --> 01:09:35.500
I mean, I liked it. I, I understand where you

01:09:35.500 --> 01:09:38.060
guys are coming from with it as, as the last

01:09:38.060 --> 01:09:41.840
song. Um, but, um, but, but I think it works.

01:09:41.859 --> 01:09:45.460
And then of course. What happens is where the

01:09:45.460 --> 01:09:47.539
album begins with the Lord's prayer, like it

01:09:47.539 --> 01:09:49.520
ends with the Lord's the ending of the Lord's

01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:51.720
prayer. And then that quote that leads into the

01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:54.539
unseen power, which I kind of felt was kind of

01:09:54.539 --> 01:09:56.989
a nice little rap. Mm -hmm. What'd you what'd

01:09:56.989 --> 01:10:03.250
you think about that? Yeah, I I think I I don't

01:10:03.250 --> 01:10:05.390
know why I know it's like a 90s kind of thing

01:10:05.390 --> 01:10:09.430
to yeah on an album, but yeah Yeah, I I think

01:10:09.430 --> 01:10:12.789
it's something that if you Maybe if you like

01:10:12.789 --> 01:10:15.789
know know them more like you're because I mean

01:10:15.789 --> 01:10:17.850
that's kind of the vibe I'm getting is that the

01:10:17.850 --> 01:10:21.510
last two tracks. It's like I think if I if I

01:10:21.510 --> 01:10:24.689
heard Like, after talking to y 'all, if I went

01:10:24.689 --> 01:10:28.550
back, maybe I appreciate them more, and it doesn't

01:10:28.550 --> 01:10:32.350
feel as abrupt. Yeah. But I mean, I enjoy when

01:10:32.350 --> 01:10:36.109
bands do the little things like that. Yeah. Gotcha.

01:10:36.970 --> 01:10:40.189
Joel, help me remember this. Wasn't that last

01:10:40.189 --> 01:10:44.270
Lord's Prayer, that was like the secret track?

01:10:44.409 --> 01:10:47.470
So if you let Lightness of You continue to play...

01:10:47.470 --> 01:10:49.659
Yep. for like two or three minutes. Eventually

01:10:49.659 --> 01:10:52.960
that faded back in. So you didn't know it was

01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:55.460
there necessarily, unless you just let it play.

01:10:55.539 --> 01:10:58.020
And that was a big deal in the nineties on CDs.

01:10:58.359 --> 01:11:01.020
You get a secret track. That was a big deal,

01:11:01.020 --> 01:11:03.539
but I had this album on cassette, so I can't

01:11:03.539 --> 01:11:06.779
really remember. Okay. I just, I think it was,

01:11:06.939 --> 01:11:10.500
I think you were not expecting it until you just

01:11:10.500 --> 01:11:12.859
happen to forget to turn the cd off and then

01:11:12.859 --> 01:11:14.819
you heard it again you're like oh wow they they

01:11:14.819 --> 01:11:16.819
ended the way they started it's definitely not

01:11:16.819 --> 01:11:20.760
its own like track but um i don't know how much

01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:24.100
space was in between like the end of in the likeness

01:11:24.100 --> 01:11:27.100
of you and that i know in my apple music listen

01:11:27.100 --> 01:11:31.939
it was pretty quick yeah yeah after the end of

01:11:31.939 --> 01:11:35.500
the song when it came in so i don't Well, I appreciated

01:11:35.500 --> 01:11:38.739
it. I think it's cool to book in the album in

01:11:38.739 --> 01:11:41.579
that way. I think it's just a it may be like

01:11:41.579 --> 01:11:44.060
a reflection of that time period, but I just

01:11:44.060 --> 01:11:46.239
think it's really neat to open and close with

01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:50.300
that. Yeah. Yeah. I like the tune. All right.

01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:54.180
Well, let's kind of talk about just our overall.

01:11:54.489 --> 01:11:58.869
thoughts on this and our ratings, which again,

01:11:58.869 --> 01:12:00.949
Brandon, we just can't wait to hear from you

01:12:00.949 --> 01:12:05.310
on this one. Yeah, I think, um, I think going,

01:12:05.770 --> 01:12:08.170
you know, like I've said, I going into it, you

01:12:08.170 --> 01:12:12.350
don't know what to expect. Um, and I feel as

01:12:12.350 --> 01:12:16.250
though, like there, I thought there was gonna

01:12:16.250 --> 01:12:20.060
be a lot more moments of Me not enjoying it.

01:12:20.060 --> 01:12:23.260
Yeah, but I think walking out of it like overwhelmingly

01:12:23.260 --> 01:12:26.739
I found myself being like this is catchy or enjoying

01:12:26.739 --> 01:12:31.899
or appreciating And I mean, I think that like

01:12:31.899 --> 01:12:35.899
even the tracks I didn't I think that What was

01:12:35.899 --> 01:12:40.159
that? Hand on my heart. Yeah, I think hand on

01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:43.720
my heart was the only one that was like Okay,

01:12:43.739 --> 01:12:46.979
if I could just delete a track from this, right

01:12:46.979 --> 01:12:50.460
Because I think even the last two it's like Even

01:12:50.460 --> 01:12:52.979
though like I didn't care for them like as much

01:12:52.979 --> 01:12:58.640
like it was anything that I didn't like So I

01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:02.300
I think all things considered I'm Probably going

01:13:02.300 --> 01:13:05.100
with the three for the album. Cool. That's a

01:13:05.100 --> 01:13:11.140
good step up from a striper Which I think is

01:13:11.140 --> 01:13:15.000
deserved so that's awesome dusty what about you

01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:19.500
man i think if you were to ask the non -nostalgic

01:13:19.500 --> 01:13:26.380
dusty for a rating i would say like a three no

01:13:26.380 --> 01:13:29.500
three and a half um just because the musicality

01:13:29.500 --> 01:13:33.199
of it is really good um but when you ask nostalgic

01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:35.439
dusty what his rating is he's going to give it

01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:39.340
like a four and a half okay um like pretty close

01:13:39.340 --> 01:13:44.720
because of Like I said like it opening this this

01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:47.760
doorway of all of the things that dusty at that

01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:50.039
time didn't know was coming down the road of

01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:55.319
all the great music so Yeah, so let's say four

01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:58.319
if we combine the two. We'll say a four and call

01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.220
it good I'm curious dusty. What what do you think

01:14:01.220 --> 01:14:04.520
would be like that one change? That takes it

01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:07.960
from like a four point five to a five like up

01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:10.920
top of your head. Can you think of? like is there

01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:13.539
a track or just one thing they were doing, or?

01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:17.539
To get there they need to remove Hand on My Heart.

01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:21.779
They need to add like a like a really up tempo

01:14:21.779 --> 01:14:24.439
fast big thing. I don't know what that would

01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:27.960
be, but they need to do that. Yeah, like that

01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:29.680
would be the first thing. Like Hand on My Heart

01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:34.680
just really like bummed me out, man. So I think

01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:37.770
that would be... But I have to give it props

01:14:37.770 --> 01:14:41.310
to because this is a total side note, but the

01:14:41.310 --> 01:14:44.569
background vocals on this album somewhere on

01:14:44.569 --> 01:14:48.750
this album, Jamie Rowe and Tony Palacios, who

01:14:48.750 --> 01:14:52.239
are the two members of Guardian. Brandon, we're

01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:53.720
going to have to learn about guardians soon,

01:14:53.779 --> 01:14:55.859
by the way. We'll have to have an episode about

01:14:55.859 --> 01:14:58.680
guardian. Um, but they are seeing background

01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:00.779
vocals somewhere on this album. So I have to

01:15:00.779 --> 01:15:03.239
give them props for those two beings singing

01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:05.979
on this album as well. So that plays into some

01:15:05.979 --> 01:15:08.640
of this rating as well. Cause the El Fantes were

01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:11.800
cool enough to put those guys on the album. Yeah.

01:15:11.939 --> 01:15:14.600
I'm looking forward to a guardian discussion.

01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:18.859
Um, and because I, Dusty, I don't know for you,

01:15:19.220 --> 01:15:22.180
but I know specifically for me as Guardian moved

01:15:22.180 --> 01:15:25.539
more into the alternative world. That's where

01:15:25.539 --> 01:15:27.920
I kind of enjoyed them more and got into them.

01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:31.579
But Buzz and Bottle Rocket are just two records

01:15:31.579 --> 01:15:34.420
that, man, they're just kiss. There is not a

01:15:34.420 --> 01:15:36.939
bad song on either one of those records. They're

01:15:36.939 --> 01:15:41.220
just so good. So yeah, that'll be a fun discussion.

01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:45.369
Yeah, for me. So probably land somewhere. between

01:15:45.369 --> 01:15:49.270
you guys on this I feel like I'm getting a bad

01:15:49.270 --> 01:15:52.989
in a bad habit of Like falling somewhere around

01:15:52.989 --> 01:15:55.090
three and a half, which is where I think I fall

01:15:55.090 --> 01:16:00.210
with us, but I honestly like I We've talked about

01:16:00.210 --> 01:16:03.529
this before I rate every track uh -huh and then

01:16:03.529 --> 01:16:07.210
And then get that like average and that's that's

01:16:07.210 --> 01:16:10.359
just where I keep coming out Oh, and so I'm sorry

01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:13.319
that I feel generic and fill in the middle. Um,

01:16:13.460 --> 01:16:16.000
but I think I'm at like a three and a half. Um,

01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:20.380
I think I, this album, um, maybe I would go higher

01:16:20.380 --> 01:16:23.159
than that. Maybe a 3 .7 or so, cause this album

01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:26.300
really surprised me. I did not expect to enjoy

01:16:26.300 --> 01:16:30.260
it as much as I did again, listening to it. And

01:16:30.260 --> 01:16:32.779
I'll probably listen to it some more and jam

01:16:32.779 --> 01:16:36.659
it some more out of this because while I think

01:16:36.659 --> 01:16:39.680
that the album could have used a ready, willing

01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:42.399
and able or who's on the Lord side on the backside,

01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:45.340
a song like that on the backside to really just

01:16:45.340 --> 01:16:48.819
kind of bring some energy back to it again. I

01:16:48.819 --> 01:16:53.340
do think there's so much that they do here that

01:16:53.340 --> 01:16:55.279
was stepping out of the wheelhouse for them that

01:16:55.279 --> 01:16:57.659
works and maybe some of it that doesn't for sure.

01:16:58.170 --> 01:17:01.789
But I think for the most part the risks that

01:17:01.789 --> 01:17:04.729
they were taking were were well earned and they

01:17:04.729 --> 01:17:06.789
did a good job with those. So I think it's just

01:17:06.789 --> 01:17:10.369
it's a testament to whenever you have a record

01:17:10.369 --> 01:17:14.810
that it holds up like for someone like Dusty

01:17:14.810 --> 01:17:17.710
that like is like man this album like changed

01:17:17.710 --> 01:17:21.189
my life and he can go back and be like man this

01:17:21.189 --> 01:17:23.649
brings back so many memories and then you have

01:17:23.649 --> 01:17:26.409
someone like myself who like I've been I feel

01:17:26.409 --> 01:17:29.729
like honestly like Whatever genre or sound you're

01:17:29.729 --> 01:17:32.189
putting this in like that's that's the genre

01:17:32.189 --> 01:17:34.810
that I just don't like there's so much of the

01:17:34.810 --> 01:17:37.689
90s that I'm like I don't care for But when you

01:17:37.689 --> 01:17:39.710
have something that you have someone like me

01:17:39.710 --> 01:17:42.649
walking away and enjoying it, I think it's just

01:17:42.649 --> 01:17:46.130
a testament It should be like appreciated because

01:17:46.130 --> 01:17:49.210
there's a lot of albums that do One or the other

01:17:49.210 --> 01:17:51.130
like someone like me loves and someone looks

01:17:51.130 --> 01:17:53.829
back and goes this was not as good or vice versa

01:17:53.829 --> 01:17:56.619
Like dusty is like this was incredible And the

01:17:56.619 --> 01:17:59.039
whole time I'm like, oh, how can I put this in

01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:04.520
a nice way? Well, I'm really happy. I really

01:18:04.520 --> 01:18:06.520
was as I was listening to it, I was thinking,

01:18:06.979 --> 01:18:09.239
I think Brandon's going to like this more than

01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:14.340
Striper. And and yeah, so it proved itself to

01:18:14.340 --> 01:18:18.979
be true, which is fun. So this is Striper. Now,

01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.180
that's the Striper Christmas album, which I feel

01:18:21.180 --> 01:18:23.079
like is pretty. Have you listened to that yet,

01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:28.260
Dusty? I listened to bits and pieces, yeah. There's

01:18:28.260 --> 01:18:31.359
some good on there, but it's pretty under -produced

01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:34.220
for the most part. Just saying something when

01:18:34.220 --> 01:18:37.600
Joel's saying it. Yeah, I know. I actually love

01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:41.060
under -production, but it doesn't work for that

01:18:41.060 --> 01:18:45.720
kind of music very well. Anyways, I thought,

01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:48.300
again, the production on this record was great,

01:18:48.699 --> 01:18:51.689
just kind of across the board. let's move into

01:18:51.689 --> 01:19:06.229
our lyric of the week and the lyric of the week

01:19:06.229 --> 01:19:09.970
this week comes from the song sight unseen um

01:19:09.970 --> 01:19:13.310
for so long i was depending upon my senses and

01:19:13.310 --> 01:19:16.310
fences i tried to ride on and trusting in things

01:19:16.310 --> 01:19:18.930
that can never be seen was always a crutch on

01:19:18.930 --> 01:19:21.949
which others must lean Thinking if I could see

01:19:21.949 --> 01:19:25.350
I would believe then somebody said believe and

01:19:25.350 --> 01:19:30.149
you will see I love that turn I think that's

01:19:30.149 --> 01:19:34.369
cool. So it's good stuff Well, I want to announce

01:19:34.369 --> 01:19:38.529
one thing before we kind of move Towards closing

01:19:38.529 --> 01:19:42.109
out the episode, but we are starting a new segment

01:19:42.109 --> 01:19:45.550
on Hey, are you listening? And it's gonna be

01:19:45.550 --> 01:19:49.880
a male segment And so we are opening up a mailbag

01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:53.479
for you to reach out to us and ask us questions

01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:57.479
that we can bring onto the podcast and talk about

01:19:57.479 --> 01:20:00.260
and answer and have conversations about. And

01:20:00.260 --> 01:20:02.920
so we would love it if you want to submit a question

01:20:02.920 --> 01:20:06.199
for us to talk about and to answer. You can send

01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:10.039
those questions to our email address, which is,

01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:14.670
Hey, are you listening? Pod. I'm gonna not get

01:20:14.670 --> 01:20:18.029
this right. Let me just make sure check my notes

01:20:18.029 --> 01:20:23.989
really quick Which is again, hey, are you listening

01:20:23.989 --> 01:20:28.189
pod at gmail .com? Hey, are you listening pod

01:20:28.189 --> 01:20:31.810
at gmail .com? So reach out to us ask your questions

01:20:31.810 --> 01:20:34.890
We'd love to start talking about those in future

01:20:34.890 --> 01:20:37.670
episodes as we get into things, but dusty man

01:20:37.670 --> 01:20:40.770
It's been so fun catching up and having you on

01:20:40.770 --> 01:20:44.359
here It's just good to see your face and talk

01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:48.260
We need to make more of a habit of it. So where

01:20:48.260 --> 01:20:51.819
can people find you and maybe things that you

01:20:51.819 --> 01:20:55.779
have done musically or Yeah, how can people connect

01:20:55.779 --> 01:20:58.619
with with what what you have done out there?

01:20:59.340 --> 01:21:02.920
Yeah, so I'm not super active on social media,

01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:06.020
but if anybody wants to find me somewhere I will

01:21:06.020 --> 01:21:10.579
be on Instagram D guitar the letter D The word

01:21:10.579 --> 01:21:13.140
guitar all one word you can find me on Instagram.

01:21:13.140 --> 01:21:17.340
I will randomly post once every six months And

01:21:17.340 --> 01:21:19.659
if I'm back on the show down the road Maybe I'll

01:21:19.659 --> 01:21:21.800
have more to give as far as musical projects

01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:24.079
that I'm working on because I am starting a thing

01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:26.859
But it's not ready to be talked about just yet.

01:21:27.500 --> 01:21:30.159
So maybe down the road We will discuss that a

01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:32.619
little bit more. But yeah, thank you so much

01:21:32.619 --> 01:21:36.479
guys for having me. This is a blast And thank

01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:38.920
you for doing this every week. This is incredible

01:21:39.500 --> 01:21:42.159
Yeah, it's been really fun for us to do and it's

01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:46.119
been fun for me to have moments like this You

01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:48.779
know John Paul obviously and like we were able

01:21:48.779 --> 01:21:51.460
to have John Paul on and so just have him on

01:21:51.460 --> 01:21:54.720
and then you on and Ty like for me to get to

01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:56.899
catch up with with some of my friends that I

01:21:56.899 --> 01:22:00.140
don't get to see very often is a really fun thing

01:22:00.140 --> 01:22:02.600
but to get to do it while we talk about Music

01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:04.939
and stuff that we all love together is just a

01:22:04.939 --> 01:22:06.880
great joy. So we really appreciate you coming

01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:10.130
on and having these conversations with us. And

01:22:10.130 --> 01:22:12.970
definitely, I can't think of anybody else that

01:22:12.970 --> 01:22:14.810
I would want to have on to talk about Guardian.

01:22:15.149 --> 01:22:18.250
So we will, we'll make that happen in the future.

01:22:18.250 --> 01:22:20.949
Definitely. Which will be a lot of fun. So dude,

01:22:21.029 --> 01:22:23.010
thanks for joining us. You guys, thanks again

01:22:23.010 --> 01:22:25.829
for listening. And we hope that you will continue

01:22:25.829 --> 01:22:29.289
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01:22:29.289 --> 01:22:31.810
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01:22:31.810 --> 01:22:35.350
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01:22:35.350 --> 01:22:38.689
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01:22:38.689 --> 01:22:41.050
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01:22:41.050 --> 01:22:43.850
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