WEBVTT 00:00:03.909 --> 00:00:34.229 Are you listening What's up, everybody? Welcome 00:00:34.229 --> 00:00:37.369 to Hey, Are You Listening? This is a podcast 00:00:37.369 --> 00:00:39.969 exploring the past, present, and future of Christian 00:00:39.969 --> 00:00:42.549 music. My name is Joel. I'm here with my good 00:00:42.549 --> 00:00:45.289 friend Brandon. And we connected over mutual 00:00:45.289 --> 00:00:50.030 love of some certain artists, but also have pretty 00:00:50.030 --> 00:00:52.429 different tastes, which shows itself sometimes 00:00:52.429 --> 00:00:55.310 on the show. But we get to experience new stuff 00:00:55.310 --> 00:00:57.689 from each other. And sometimes we get to invite 00:00:57.689 --> 00:01:01.219 some friends along for the ride. Brandon. How's 00:01:01.219 --> 00:01:05.099 it going today? Oh, it's going wonderfully. Awesome. 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:08.040 Tell me more about that. It's winter, so I guess 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:10.780 it's going wonderfully. You're loving the cold 00:01:10.780 --> 00:01:13.120 weather. As far as I can tell, it's going right 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:17.140 now as we begin the new year. Well, that's great. 00:01:17.819 --> 00:01:22.280 I'm so thankful that things for you are wonderful 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:24.519 and that the cold is something that you're digging 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:29.250 into. So I love it. So we do have a guest with 00:01:29.250 --> 00:01:31.549 us today. We'll get into that in just a little 00:01:31.549 --> 00:01:34.030 bit. But before we kind of get into that, I thought 00:01:34.030 --> 00:01:36.250 maybe we could just go ahead and talk about what 00:01:36.250 --> 00:01:38.969 we've been listening to lately. So what have 00:01:38.969 --> 00:01:40.709 you been listening to lately, Brandon? I think 00:01:40.709 --> 00:01:44.989 that the beginning of the year, it's always a 00:01:44.989 --> 00:01:48.569 there's a mixture of getting stuff that you get 00:01:48.569 --> 00:01:51.829 for Christmas. and diving into it so it's stuff 00:01:51.829 --> 00:01:54.189 that you love that maybe you have on vinyl now 00:01:54.189 --> 00:01:57.310 or you know a physical CD or something um because 00:01:57.310 --> 00:01:59.750 that's usually when i just wait i'll find something 00:01:59.750 --> 00:02:02.109 i love and then i'll tell my mom like well hey 00:02:02.109 --> 00:02:03.989 if you're looking to get me something get this 00:02:03.989 --> 00:02:07.650 CD or whatever um so i appreciate that and then 00:02:07.650 --> 00:02:09.849 i think it's cool whenever you go back through 00:02:09.849 --> 00:02:15.030 your um I'm just blanking on what it's called, 00:02:15.370 --> 00:02:18.349 but like the year -end stuff, like on Spotify, 00:02:19.289 --> 00:02:22.469 I think Apple Music does that too. And so I think 00:02:22.469 --> 00:02:26.930 almost it's looking back on the year. So yeah, 00:02:26.930 --> 00:02:29.669 I just love diving in and getting to play some 00:02:29.669 --> 00:02:32.310 Gable Price and Friends, Colony House, Last Bison, 00:02:32.550 --> 00:02:36.889 just kind of, I guess. It's kind of fun too, 00:02:37.030 --> 00:02:40.460 starting a new year and... It's like a blank 00:02:40.460 --> 00:02:43.240 slate. Like who knows what's going to happen 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:45.860 this year, what we're going to get exposed to 00:02:45.860 --> 00:02:50.259 this year. And I love that. Anything can happen. 00:02:51.460 --> 00:02:54.979 And I'll probably listen to something this year 00:02:54.979 --> 00:02:59.599 that will deeply affect me. Like so many albums 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.800 have in the past and I'm ready. Isn't that so 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:05.780 amazing? Because like this past year, I think 00:03:05.780 --> 00:03:09.699 about like some of my favorite songs and CDs 00:03:09.699 --> 00:03:12.400 that came out. I didn't even know these artists 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:17.099 existed in January. I hadn't even heard the name. 00:03:18.620 --> 00:03:22.120 So to me, it's just cool that sometimes it feels 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.560 as though there is no good music or that you've 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:27.580 listened to everything and it's cool just getting 00:03:27.580 --> 00:03:31.659 to discover that stuff. Or even on this podcast, 00:03:32.219 --> 00:03:35.740 it's been cool. Like today's album, to go back 00:03:35.740 --> 00:03:37.759 through and listen to something that, you know, 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:39.979 maybe I didn't listen to as much when I was younger, 00:03:39.979 --> 00:03:43.360 but now I get to go back through and maybe appreciate 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.439 it a little bit more. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.240 something that I've been listening to is there 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:54.840 was a band back in the early 2000s that I was 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:58.199 in my band. We were traveling and we ran into 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:03.159 them and played a show with them. But also they 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.860 were just Really good and and so we started trying 00:04:06.860 --> 00:04:08.639 to find anything that we could find by them and 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:13.919 as a band called noise ratchet and they recently 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:19.899 got back together to play at the 2024 Furnace 00:04:19.899 --> 00:04:22.860 Fest Which I was able to go to and able to see 00:04:22.860 --> 00:04:24.860 him live and got to chat with him a little bit 00:04:24.860 --> 00:04:28.819 afterwards But they just put out a couple of 00:04:28.819 --> 00:04:31.910 months ago a new record called freedom which 00:04:31.910 --> 00:04:36.529 they haven't done anything in so long. And when 00:04:36.529 --> 00:04:38.329 I was talking to them at Furnace Fest, they were 00:04:38.329 --> 00:04:40.949 just like, yeah, we had no idea that this was 00:04:40.949 --> 00:04:44.050 ever gonna happen. But it's just kind of cool 00:04:44.050 --> 00:04:46.470 to see not only did they get together for a show, 00:04:46.509 --> 00:04:49.970 but they also ended up making a new record. And 00:04:49.970 --> 00:04:53.329 it's fun to see life come back for some of these 00:04:53.329 --> 00:04:56.550 artists. And so. Um, that record's been a fun 00:04:56.550 --> 00:04:59.129 one for me to listen to. That's awesome. Yeah. 00:04:59.410 --> 00:05:01.509 So, all right, well let's transition and we'll 00:05:01.509 --> 00:05:09.279 start talking about our record for today. Well 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:13.459 today is a fun opportunity for us because once 00:05:13.459 --> 00:05:16.579 again we have our friend David Zack from the 00:05:16.579 --> 00:05:20.519 band Remedy Drive who is here with us To talk 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.180 about a record that he brought to us. So David, 00:05:23.500 --> 00:05:25.540 it's great to have you with us again today, man 00:05:25.540 --> 00:05:27.519 We're thankful for you spending some time with 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:30.680 us Yeah, and this is a fun way to spend some 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.980 time actually so I'm excited about this So so 00:05:34.980 --> 00:05:37.600 Brandon asked you to pick out an album that you'd 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:39.139 like to talk about. What are you? What album 00:05:39.139 --> 00:05:42.300 are you bringing to us today? Hello hurricane 00:05:42.300 --> 00:05:45.600 by the band switch for it Man, this is it's gonna 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.519 be fun. Yeah, I love this It'll be a fun thing 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:51.579 to talk through so I pulled some information 00:05:51.579 --> 00:05:53.920 just quick bio So I'll read this and then we'll 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:56.560 kind of get into our thoughts So hello hurricane 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:59.879 is the seventh studio album by American alternative 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:04.019 rock band switch foot released on November 10th 00:06:04.019 --> 00:06:08.279 2009 so it was co -produced by the band and Mike 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:11.160 Elizondo after initially self producing their 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:14.819 work as well as running some test runs with producers 00:06:14.819 --> 00:06:18.040 like Charlie Peacock. The album was recorded 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:21.519 mainly in the band's Spot X studio that they 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.319 built to record this record in their own hometown 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:28.079 of San Diego. It was originally to be released 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:31.120 on October 6th, 2009, but pushed back to November 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:34.879 10th on their brand new independent record label, 00:06:35.339 --> 00:06:37.720 the Atlantic Distributed Lowercase People Records. 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:42.230 And on February 13th, 2011 the album won the 00:06:42.230 --> 00:06:46.449 award for best rock gospel album at the 53rd 00:06:46.449 --> 00:06:50.189 Grammy Awards. So one of the things that I just 00:06:50.189 --> 00:06:52.449 thought interesting was interesting about that 00:06:52.449 --> 00:06:56.069 in the background of this is is they they spent 00:06:56.069 --> 00:06:59.670 a lot of energy like putting this record together 00:06:59.670 --> 00:07:03.040 and it's almost like they recorded an album and 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:06.240 were like, um, that's not quite it. Let's, let's 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:08.959 try this again or redo this in a different space 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:11.259 or with a different producer. And it seems like 00:07:11.259 --> 00:07:12.839 they kind of walked through that a few times 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.439 before they kind of felt like this is it. This 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:17.920 is the one that we, we want to get out there. 00:07:18.019 --> 00:07:19.980 I'd be super interested in hearing some of those 00:07:19.980 --> 00:07:26.660 others. So, and why, like hearing why it wasn't 00:07:26.660 --> 00:07:29.149 what they wanted or or why they'd want another 00:07:29.149 --> 00:07:31.930 shot at a song, or how many of those songs were 00:07:31.930 --> 00:07:34.110 redone? That'd be interesting. Yeah, for sure. 00:07:34.290 --> 00:07:37.449 And obviously, I think this is a big record for 00:07:37.449 --> 00:07:41.550 them, and it kind of moves them in a different 00:07:41.550 --> 00:07:43.170 kind of direction. We can talk about that a little 00:07:43.170 --> 00:07:45.089 bit as we get into it. But just kind of some 00:07:45.089 --> 00:07:47.850 opening thoughts for us as we start the conversation. 00:07:48.550 --> 00:07:51.870 Maybe just with Switchfoot in general, how did 00:07:51.870 --> 00:07:55.670 Switchfoot come to be a part of our lives and 00:07:55.670 --> 00:07:59.500 bands that... we listen to. Brandon, for you, 00:07:59.579 --> 00:08:02.639 where did Switchfoot kind of enter in? I remember 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:06.899 being, I loved Meant to Live. So it was on the 00:08:06.899 --> 00:08:09.860 radio constantly. And I remember thinking like, 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:11.800 man, I was like, this is funny because like, 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:13.600 this could also, this would almost be like a 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:15.259 Christian song. That's what it kind of sounds 00:08:15.259 --> 00:08:18.000 like. And then later on realizing, oh, they were, 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.839 because I guess at the time it was just, I wasn't 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:23.560 used to like hearing like, quote unquote, like 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:28.069 Christian bands on like, our regular radio. And 00:08:28.069 --> 00:08:32.129 so that's kind of my first taste into Switchfoot 00:08:32.129 --> 00:08:35.250 was that. And I remember like, so I loved all 00:08:35.250 --> 00:08:38.549 of their like rock songs, but then whenever these 00:08:38.549 --> 00:08:41.169 like quieter, these ballads, I would always like, 00:08:41.330 --> 00:08:42.950 ah, it's a skip track. So I remember growing 00:08:42.950 --> 00:08:46.509 up just not fully appreciating Switchfoot. So 00:08:46.509 --> 00:08:48.730 I was pretty excited to get to listen to this 00:08:48.730 --> 00:08:51.779 album. and give it a second chance and actually 00:08:51.779 --> 00:08:53.960 get to go through it now that I feel like I've 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:56.399 matured a little bit in my music taste. Yeah, 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:59.220 that's fun. David, for you, where did when did 00:08:59.220 --> 00:09:00.980 Switchfoot become a thing for you? Like, when 00:09:00.980 --> 00:09:05.419 did you first hear them? We were already touring 00:09:05.419 --> 00:09:10.299 a lot, so I heard their name a lot because they 00:09:10.299 --> 00:09:13.779 were playing a lot of college campuses. And so 00:09:13.779 --> 00:09:19.720 it was it was the Meant to Live album. The beautiful 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:23.159 letdown was the first so those three big songs 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:25.899 on there the first that I really listened to 00:09:25.899 --> 00:09:32.539 And for me, it was the first time That a 2000s 00:09:32.539 --> 00:09:36.279 Arab band it had a radiohead vibe, but then it 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:39.940 also had Like a little more of a rock. Yeah, 00:09:39.940 --> 00:09:44.139 but just enough Maybe almost a little too much, 00:09:44.460 --> 00:09:46.559 like for my taste of how far I wanted to go on 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:48.539 the rock side. It was more polished rock than 00:09:48.539 --> 00:09:52.779 Radiohead, but still accessible to me. And I 00:09:52.779 --> 00:09:55.399 just love the way he phrased stuff. He just said 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:58.779 things differently, both the way his vocal texture, 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:03.919 but also the way he picked words. So it kind 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:06.470 of caught my attention. Yeah, I love that. That 00:10:06.470 --> 00:10:08.649 Radiohead comparison. I remember thinking that 00:10:08.649 --> 00:10:11.429 the first time that I listened to The Beautiful 00:10:11.429 --> 00:10:14.389 Letdown as I was like, they're doing like something 00:10:14.389 --> 00:10:18.549 sonically that they haven't done before. So Switchfoot 00:10:18.549 --> 00:10:22.809 entered in for me a little earlier, I think then 00:10:22.809 --> 00:10:25.710 for you guys. I don't remember where honestly, 00:10:25.710 --> 00:10:29.110 but I heard the track off their first album, 00:10:29.210 --> 00:10:33.429 The Legend of Chin, Kim 6A, somewhere on a sampler 00:10:33.429 --> 00:10:36.080 I'm sure that I got. because I was always just 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:38.840 like soaking up these like Christian rock samplers. 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:40.940 And I think I heard Kim 6A and I'm like, what 00:10:40.940 --> 00:10:43.100 in the world is this? Like, this is so good. 00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:50.100 And then I bought into the next record as well, 00:10:50.139 --> 00:10:53.279 New Way to Be Human. And then learning to breathe 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:56.639 their third record before, before the Beautiful 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:02.269 Letdown came out. I remember vividly like a Apparently 00:11:02.269 --> 00:11:04.250 like Switchfoot got turned down by like a lot 00:11:04.250 --> 00:11:06.669 of record labels when they first came onto the 00:11:06.669 --> 00:11:08.370 scene and they were trying to get a record deal 00:11:08.370 --> 00:11:10.730 and one of my favorite marketing things ever 00:11:10.730 --> 00:11:13.110 from a band was that by the time Learning to 00:11:13.110 --> 00:11:15.990 Breathe came out which is an album that I desperately 00:11:15.990 --> 00:11:19.490 love. um on the like they used to put stickers 00:11:19.490 --> 00:11:22.190 on the front of like the cellophane for a record 00:11:22.190 --> 00:11:24.330 and there were all these stickers and all that 00:11:24.330 --> 00:11:27.450 it had was um all these record label executives 00:11:27.450 --> 00:11:30.429 that had not signed them early on saying how 00:11:30.429 --> 00:11:32.129 stupid they were that they wished they would 00:11:32.129 --> 00:11:34.110 have signed this band and that was like the marketing 00:11:34.110 --> 00:11:36.809 for that record was all these executives saying 00:11:36.809 --> 00:11:39.389 i can't believe we missed out on releasing records 00:11:39.389 --> 00:11:43.169 like this um and so i thought that was it was 00:11:43.169 --> 00:11:46.309 like Tooth and Nail, it was like Steve Taylor. 00:11:46.529 --> 00:11:49.529 It was great. I just thought that was a lot of 00:11:49.529 --> 00:11:53.830 fun. Alright, well, let's talk. Yeah, let's talk 00:11:53.830 --> 00:11:57.750 a little bit about hello hurricane Itself and 00:11:57.750 --> 00:12:01.370 so we'll kind of walk through this Track by track 00:12:01.370 --> 00:12:04.690 and kind of give our thoughts so if at home You 00:12:04.690 --> 00:12:06.610 want to you can pull up the record and kind of 00:12:06.610 --> 00:12:08.769 listen to it along with us as we're as we're 00:12:08.769 --> 00:12:11.210 talking through things But the first track on 00:12:11.210 --> 00:12:15.049 hello hurricane is the song needle and haystack 00:12:15.049 --> 00:12:17.490 life What do you guys think about this as an 00:12:17.490 --> 00:12:23.570 opener? So for me, I enjoyed it. David, I always 00:12:23.570 --> 00:12:25.850 talk about how I feel like I see a lot of albums 00:12:25.850 --> 00:12:28.429 almost like a concert. Like if I was hearing 00:12:28.429 --> 00:12:30.590 this concert, if I was hearing this album from 00:12:30.590 --> 00:12:33.870 start to finish, how would I feel about it? And 00:12:33.870 --> 00:12:37.169 I like it because I think it's a nice buildup. 00:12:37.509 --> 00:12:40.429 Like to me, if you would have started with like 00:12:40.429 --> 00:12:42.409 a mess of me or something, I think it doesn't 00:12:42.409 --> 00:12:45.230 fit the album. But I think that this... This 00:12:45.230 --> 00:12:47.690 song does a good job of kind of setting up what 00:12:47.690 --> 00:12:51.090 you're gonna get out of the album Yeah, so I 00:12:51.090 --> 00:12:56.129 I enjoyed it as an opener Yeah, and they played 00:12:56.129 --> 00:12:59.889 it front to back too didn't they I'm I think 00:12:59.889 --> 00:13:02.789 they did. Yeah on that tour They played it front 00:13:02.789 --> 00:13:04.889 to back and then they came back out and played 00:13:04.889 --> 00:13:09.809 other switch fit songs And so I agree that it 00:13:09.809 --> 00:13:13.389 sets the tone because it's a new tone for them 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:17.639 I think if I'm right, it comes after three really 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:23.240 polished big label albums. Is that right? So 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:25.620 it's stripped back a little bit. It's a little 00:13:25.620 --> 00:13:31.639 more raw, organic sounds. The acoustic instruments 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:35.120 being really upfront in the mix throughout the 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:39.500 album, but on Needle in particular, and John's 00:13:39.500 --> 00:13:44.919 singing is less... It's a little less hard rock 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:49.120 and a lot more Indie rock sounding. Yeah. Yeah 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:51.340 I I kind of was thinking through the same things 00:13:51.340 --> 00:13:55.000 too. Like I feel like there's more air to breathe 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:59.039 on this record And then some of the ones before 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:01.940 it and I I'm a sucker for that I love anything 00:14:01.940 --> 00:14:04.580 that feels more like I'm in the room with a band 00:14:05.290 --> 00:14:07.470 Um, and there's a lot, there's a lot of that 00:14:07.470 --> 00:14:09.289 on here, which I really like, but I think it's 00:14:09.289 --> 00:14:12.870 a great, it's a great song, super, super driving. 00:14:13.409 --> 00:14:16.470 Um, I immediately like listening to it again 00:14:16.470 --> 00:14:19.110 for this. Um, I went and added it to my running 00:14:19.110 --> 00:14:21.590 playlist just because it's got such a good steady 00:14:21.590 --> 00:14:23.549 beat. And I'm like, man, I can just keep going, 00:14:23.549 --> 00:14:26.570 um, to this one. So yeah, I think it's a great 00:14:26.570 --> 00:14:31.950 track. That high note is something else that. 00:14:32.470 --> 00:14:35.279 Yeah. or first note of the chorus, like that's 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:39.620 up there. John's an incredible singer. I like 00:14:39.620 --> 00:14:43.139 that. David, how do you feel about Mess of Me? 00:14:44.419 --> 00:14:48.000 Mess of Me is for me as a guitar player was a 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:54.860 game changer, big time. Like the tone of that 00:14:54.860 --> 00:15:01.488 guitar riff and then just is the first time we're 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:07.759 John can just be like so, um, he was different. 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.919 It was more, it really felt like, like the blues 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:16.240 lived in a way in John that didn't, was maybe 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:18.799 suppressed by the overproduction of the previous 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:23.759 three or four albums. Yeah, it, it was fun because 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:27.600 the, like, you're exactly right. The guitar work, 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:30.860 you're moving more away from these, like, Heavy 00:15:30.860 --> 00:15:34.700 deep riffs into kind of some more classic guitar 00:15:34.700 --> 00:15:37.340 Work that's happening and with some of these 00:15:37.340 --> 00:15:40.000 lines you still got riffs Which is like a switch 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:42.059 foot thing, but the riffs are different on this 00:15:42.059 --> 00:15:44.440 record than they were on the ones like leading 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:47.940 up to it like in a way where where it's like, 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:52.320 okay, yeah, you could see a a switch foot Creed 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.419 co -headlining thing from the best days But not 00:15:56.419 --> 00:15:59.360 Hello, Hurricane, you know without demeaning 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:05.299 Switch foot to the Creed level Like like but 00:16:05.299 --> 00:16:07.320 they wouldn't get along is good with this album 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.700 and in a great way. Yeah Yeah, this one this 00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:14.279 one's already on my running playlist. It was 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.220 already there. I have a lot of switch foot on 00:16:16.220 --> 00:16:20.379 there And I think this is just such a great song. 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.809 I love the like I love the breaks in it where 00:16:23.809 --> 00:16:26.970 just the vocals stand out like in a in a really 00:16:26.970 --> 00:16:31.629 strong way and like even the bridge later when 00:16:31.629 --> 00:16:35.190 um when he's he's like singing there ain't no 00:16:35.190 --> 00:16:38.429 yeah yeah and like it's like his vocals and the 00:16:38.429 --> 00:16:40.809 guitar are like doing the same thing yeah yeah 00:16:40.809 --> 00:16:45.289 i think is is really cool um i yeah and the message 00:16:45.289 --> 00:16:48.500 of the song i think is really good too And so 00:16:48.500 --> 00:16:50.820 this is this one of my favorite tracks on the 00:16:50.820 --> 00:16:53.139 record. I put down I don't know if it's a like 00:16:53.139 --> 00:16:56.100 if it's a popular or unpopular opinion But I 00:16:56.100 --> 00:16:58.740 was like is this one of the Mount Rushmore like 00:16:58.740 --> 00:17:00.600 switch foot songs if you were choosing those 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:04.059 like for For me, like I love the guitar. I love 00:17:04.059 --> 00:17:07.519 like the breaks, too I just remember like when 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.339 they first came out loving the breaks and this 00:17:10.339 --> 00:17:13.819 is a song that like it's a song that like you're 00:17:13.819 --> 00:17:15.779 almost afraid to go back and listen to because 00:17:15.779 --> 00:17:17.880 you're like You know, there's some stuff you 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:19.980 go back and you think oh this was not as good 00:17:19.980 --> 00:17:22.400 as I thought But I feel like I love this song 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:24.559 as much as I loved it like the first time I heard 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:28.920 it Yeah, yeah, that's good So track three go 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:33.019 ahead Oh with the with the uh guitar tones Like 00:17:33.019 --> 00:17:37.019 it would be easy To have the meant to live guitar 00:17:37.019 --> 00:17:40.079 tone on the rest of me rips It'd be expected 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.000 to be easy. And maybe part of what answers our 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.339 earlier question is they needed to spend some 00:17:44.339 --> 00:17:46.859 time to find a tone that's new and different 00:17:46.859 --> 00:17:49.519 and represents this chapter for them better and 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.480 fits with such an acoustic heavy album. Yeah. 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:55.960 Yeah. That's my two cents. I love that. I think 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:58.519 it's great. So track three kind of moves in that 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:04.220 other direction. Your love is a song. I just 00:18:04.220 --> 00:18:05.680 will get to our thought. One of the things that 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:07.740 I thought was really interesting is like this 00:18:07.740 --> 00:18:11.410 is This is the third in a trilogy of songs about 00:18:11.410 --> 00:18:14.769 God's love, that there was a switch -fit song, 00:18:14.809 --> 00:18:17.950 Let Your Love Be Strong, and then he released, 00:18:18.430 --> 00:18:21.750 in part of a solo work, the song Your Love Is 00:18:21.750 --> 00:18:24.390 Strong, and then here you have the Your Love 00:18:24.390 --> 00:18:27.069 Is A Song, and so I just thought that's kind 00:18:27.069 --> 00:18:28.650 of a cool thing that carries through his work. 00:18:28.690 --> 00:18:31.670 What did you guys think about this one? I feel 00:18:31.670 --> 00:18:35.569 like John's vocals are so unique, so I love a 00:18:35.569 --> 00:18:39.619 song where They just really get to like shine 00:18:39.619 --> 00:18:43.440 and you can see how it's just so Different or 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.880 at least for me from what like I've like I've 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:49.900 heard I remember just thinking like the songs 00:18:49.900 --> 00:18:52.480 just like beautiful. I guess that's the way like 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:58.460 I Described it. Yeah, I I really loved it. Mm 00:18:58.460 --> 00:19:02.900 -hmm Similar to the opening track the high note 00:19:02.900 --> 00:19:05.920 of the first note of the chorus is just soaring 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:09.839 And then even though some of the lyric for John 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.900 at my first take was like, oh, this seems maybe 00:19:12.900 --> 00:19:14.920 on first listen, I was like, well, this doesn't 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.259 seem this seems like lyric I've heard before. 00:19:18.259 --> 00:19:20.079 Yeah. But then when you dive into it, it's like, 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:23.680 no, this is uniquely switch. What's the way of 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:27.160 saying these really important things? Yeah, I 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.059 love that. Yeah, I think it's a good, a good 00:19:30.059 --> 00:19:33.039 track, a really good track for sure. And it's 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:35.369 one of them. like more popular songs on this 00:19:35.369 --> 00:19:38.150 record, just looking at like listenings, listeners, 00:19:38.289 --> 00:19:41.589 how many listeners that they've had. I think 00:19:41.589 --> 00:19:44.470 if I had to pick from the trilogy of songs, like 00:19:44.470 --> 00:19:47.390 My Heart probably goes to Your Love is Strong 00:19:47.390 --> 00:19:50.430 off of his solo stuff. I just really, really 00:19:50.430 --> 00:19:54.289 love that. But this is a great one. So we move 00:19:54.289 --> 00:19:59.509 into the sound next. David, was it sounding good 00:19:59.509 --> 00:20:06.259 for you? Yeah, this one this one was mess of 00:20:06.259 --> 00:20:10.059 me Was great, but this one that didn't didn't 00:20:10.059 --> 00:20:13.299 didn't didn't didn't didn't it was totally new 00:20:13.299 --> 00:20:19.039 like it was totally new and then For me this 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:23.380 hit me with bringing in John and Perkins Which 00:20:23.380 --> 00:20:26.380 is such a great and subtle way to introduce a 00:20:26.380 --> 00:20:29.220 large number of people to such an important and 00:20:29.220 --> 00:20:30.900 influential figure in the civil rights movement. 00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:34.119 Yeah Um, I got to meet him with my kids actually 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:36.539 and I wouldn't have gone and found him had I 00:20:36.539 --> 00:20:39.200 not Been such a fan of this song and the music 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:43.240 video that goes with this song Yeah, I love that 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:46.680 it's um, so I grew up in mississippi and so I 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:51.279 grew up in john and perkins like backyard not 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:55.519 literally, but almost and um, so just the the 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:59.440 like weight of of his work, um, I remember reading 00:20:59.900 --> 00:21:02.240 reading his book, Let Justice Roll Down, which 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:05.339 I really recommend. It's a wonderful, wonderful 00:21:05.339 --> 00:21:08.660 book. But I agree with you. And I think when 00:21:08.660 --> 00:21:11.940 this album came out, Switchfoot did a concert 00:21:11.940 --> 00:21:17.779 in his backyard or something in Jackson, Mississippi, 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:20.460 which is wild. I was already gone at that point. 00:21:21.460 --> 00:21:24.700 But I just, man, yeah, this is a great one. It's 00:21:24.700 --> 00:21:28.140 a lot of fun. And I love. Like you said, David, 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:31.759 just the light that it brings to a man who spent 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:35.279 his life laboring for things that really matter, 00:21:35.619 --> 00:21:37.740 just to be able to expose that, I think is awesome. 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:41.960 Yeah, what stood out to me was the guitars that 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:48.759 David had mentioned. As someone as a kid, I loved 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.599 getting a CD, opening it up, and just following 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.480 along with the booklet as the song goes. I love 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:58.579 a song where it goes a step further. And now 00:21:58.579 --> 00:22:01.819 there's like an individual or there's something 00:22:01.819 --> 00:22:04.440 that they reference that now it's like, all right, 00:22:04.460 --> 00:22:07.720 let me pause this and go research. So like, I 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:10.319 just I love any song that lets me pause. I mean, 00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:13.240 like, like me without you release an album, I 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:15.059 feel like I would spend like a couple of days 00:22:15.059 --> 00:22:17.160 on each song just trying to pour through every 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.599 little reference that was thrown in there. Yeah. 00:22:19.819 --> 00:22:23.759 And so yeah, I love getting to dive in and get 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:26.200 introduced to not only like a great song, but 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:29.299 also you get to learn about like this individual 00:22:29.299 --> 00:22:34.720 or this situation or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:37.759 It's a really, a really good one. I'm thankful. 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:41.079 My favorite memory of seeing it live was the 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:46.400 summer of 2019, which for a lot of us in our 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:51.549 memory, 2020 over shadows, 2019. uh when it comes 00:22:51.549 --> 00:22:54.609 to racial tape in our country but 2019 was there 00:22:54.609 --> 00:23:05.490 right up there almost he said let justice roll 00:23:05.490 --> 00:23:08.230 about and they they stopped on the bridge and 00:23:08.230 --> 00:23:10.009 just said let justice roll again and again and 00:23:10.009 --> 00:23:12.970 again uh in that in that particular performance 00:23:12.970 --> 00:23:16.450 in michigan and it was for me that's where that 00:23:16.450 --> 00:23:21.019 song lives in my memory yeah that's great Um, 00:23:21.220 --> 00:23:24.240 so track five on the record is enough to let 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:30.619 me go. Um, so as somebody that like incorporated 00:23:30.619 --> 00:23:33.440 really early switch foot into their listening 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:36.839 and shaped a lot for me musically, I feel like, 00:23:37.180 --> 00:23:40.559 um, I felt like this song like harkens back to 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:45.420 like, um, really like pre um beautiful let down 00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:49.099 switch foot in some some fun ways it's got kind 00:23:49.099 --> 00:23:51.599 of a little quirky like guitar thing at the beginning 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:56.259 um there's some cool like um melody shifting 00:23:56.259 --> 00:24:00.359 that's that's like happening um it's like chill 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.240 switch foot but like it's uniquely switch foot 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:07.140 like nobody else writes a chiller song like this 00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:09.940 and plus i think the bridge is just incredible 00:24:09.940 --> 00:24:15.950 so um i really really like this one About you 00:24:15.950 --> 00:24:21.890 David I'm I was just trying to imagine Because 00:24:21.890 --> 00:24:23.829 here I have a confession make I never really 00:24:23.829 --> 00:24:27.210 went back into those early days and when I did 00:24:27.210 --> 00:24:32.849 It didn't I didn't get it Other than the the 00:24:32.849 --> 00:24:37.490 walk to remember Eric, you know And so some of 00:24:37.490 --> 00:24:40.059 them Some of those songs I don't have that emotional 00:24:40.059 --> 00:24:41.720 connection to him because I didn't experience 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:43.900 them as they're happening, right? But for me, 00:24:43.900 --> 00:24:46.700 yeah, this one was a nice Yeah, we needed it 00:24:46.700 --> 00:24:49.220 after John M Perkins. We needed after the sound 00:24:49.220 --> 00:24:51.920 we need to come down a little bit Yeah, and to 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.619 be tender again Yeah, and he doesn't like like 00:24:55.619 --> 00:24:58.160 talk about high notes like he's singing a lot 00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:00.759 and his falsetto on the song It works really 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:04.859 well his just the smooth kind of transitions 00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:07.460 from his natural voice to his falsetto like John's 00:25:07.460 --> 00:25:11.160 just such a good, unique singer. I think like 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.319 lyrically I loved it, but I guess like younger 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:16.680 Brandon that just wants like the fast food, like 00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:18.460 I don't want to sit down and enjoy a home. I 00:25:18.460 --> 00:25:20.779 went like the, no, let's keep this rolling. Let's 00:25:20.779 --> 00:25:23.140 get back with the like rock, the guitars, the 00:25:23.140 --> 00:25:26.759 rock, blah, blah, blah. Um, so I think like musically, 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:30.039 like I, um, I didn't like love it as much as 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:32.599 the previous ones, but I feel like, like lyrically 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:35.720 it was just as strong as, um, the other ones 00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:38.069 before it. Yeah, it's all right, guys. We'll 00:25:38.069 --> 00:25:41.049 get you exposed to some of this earlier Switchfoot 00:25:41.049 --> 00:25:43.150 stuff. You'll get to experience the gold that's 00:25:43.150 --> 00:25:46.710 there. It's different, but nobody was doing what 00:25:46.710 --> 00:25:50.289 they were doing. And so it's great. That's great. 00:25:50.589 --> 00:25:53.849 All right. So next up, we move into Free. Joel, 00:25:53.910 --> 00:25:57.829 how do you feel about Free? Yeah, Free is... 00:25:57.529 --> 00:26:01.049 It's probably not one of my favorite tracks on 00:26:01.049 --> 00:26:03.769 the record. You've got the switch fit riff thing 00:26:03.769 --> 00:26:08.930 going. I like the verse melody a lot. And I do 00:26:08.930 --> 00:26:12.390 like the like, inside the shell is a prison cell, 00:26:12.390 --> 00:26:17.490 like that part of it. But I kind of just wanted 00:26:17.490 --> 00:26:21.869 the like, anthematic chorus, but it's more of 00:26:21.869 --> 00:26:27.920 like a kind of like chill, thoughtful. free I 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:31.539 don't know it just yeah it's not my favorite 00:26:31.539 --> 00:26:38.039 one but it's good. How about you David? Yeah 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:40.619 it's not my favorite one either it and it but 00:26:40.619 --> 00:26:43.000 it artistically it rounds the album out it has 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:48.220 more like the uh it's a different instrumentation 00:26:48.220 --> 00:26:50.980 yeah it feels like it blends it feels like it 00:26:50.980 --> 00:26:52.779 needs to exist in the album because it takes 00:26:53.069 --> 00:26:56.170 the sound and mess of me and it has this nice 00:26:56.170 --> 00:27:00.210 rawness mixed in with the acoustic vibes mixed 00:27:00.210 --> 00:27:04.630 in with the kind of I think man I wonder if they 00:27:04.630 --> 00:27:07.849 brought in I it feels like they have some some 00:27:07.849 --> 00:27:09.869 Delta Mississippi Delta overall on some of these 00:27:09.869 --> 00:27:11.369 riffs in the whole album I hadn't thought about 00:27:11.369 --> 00:27:13.630 that yeah I wonder if the John M Perkins piece 00:27:13.630 --> 00:27:16.670 it's a nod to some of the blues guys I never 00:27:16.670 --> 00:27:17.950 even made that connection to right now but I 00:27:17.950 --> 00:27:23.720 feel like that that riff feels kind of like We 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:27.420 connected on the last episode about us solo activator 00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:30.579 and Solomon like they had that the Dirty South 00:27:30.579 --> 00:27:33.900 then by like the Mississippi Delta that that 00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:38.180 I Don't know I didn't love the song as much but 00:27:38.180 --> 00:27:41.700 I think it's needed. Yeah, I hear that I think 00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:46.339 that I I felt like a flip I guess like with the 00:27:46.339 --> 00:27:48.859 other one like the slow down I enjoyed that it 00:27:48.859 --> 00:27:51.500 picked back up a little bit So I think for me 00:27:51.500 --> 00:27:54.099 like I'll flip the tracks and be like this was 00:27:54.099 --> 00:27:57.579 one that I enjoyed like the pick up one on so 00:27:57.579 --> 00:28:01.880 Next up we move into hello hurricane David what 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:05.259 were your thoughts on the title track? It's crazy 00:28:05.259 --> 00:28:07.880 that it's because you're coming out of the tension 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:13.680 of the song before it and yet you feel Before 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:15.720 I mean it's hello hurricane, but you feel like 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.559 it feels like the calm after a storm in some 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.680 ways You know I mean when it starts it feels 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:26.200 so warm and like inviting and like relieving 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.839 And and I I want like that's how I feel with 00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.539 the instrumentation right away But then what 00:28:31.539 --> 00:28:34.420 an amazing thing you can't silence my love like 00:28:34.420 --> 00:28:35.920 hello hurricane. You're not enough. You can't 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:41.009 silence my love And yeah, of course they were 00:28:41.009 --> 00:28:46.190 thinking Louisiana. That was right after Katrina, 00:28:46.289 --> 00:28:50.029 that they're writing this. Yeah, I think for 00:28:50.029 --> 00:28:52.369 me, there's not a single thing about this track 00:28:52.369 --> 00:28:57.910 that I don't love. Talk about Mount Rushmore 00:28:57.910 --> 00:29:00.410 songs. This is probably up there for me, for 00:29:00.410 --> 00:29:04.130 them. Everything about it, the guitar work at 00:29:04.130 --> 00:29:08.069 the beginning, it feels different. Like it's 00:29:08.069 --> 00:29:10.230 riffy, but it's different riffy than anything 00:29:10.230 --> 00:29:13.950 they've done before sonically and so I just love 00:29:13.950 --> 00:29:19.170 that the chorus is great I love that. This is 00:29:19.170 --> 00:29:22.529 a thing they do not just on this album, but they 00:29:22.529 --> 00:29:26.829 do it a few times on this album where The vocal 00:29:26.829 --> 00:29:29.309 melody on the second verse is different from 00:29:29.309 --> 00:29:32.410 the vocal melody on the first verse and bands 00:29:32.410 --> 00:29:35.089 tend to like use different words, but the same 00:29:35.089 --> 00:29:38.839 vocal melody and John will just change the vocal 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.000 melody on the second verse and it is like so 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.759 effective because you have the same structure 00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:47.539 underneath it but he's doing something completely 00:29:47.539 --> 00:29:51.359 different and I love that and the bridge is great. 00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.019 I just think man this is a great song. I really 00:29:55.019 --> 00:29:57.500 like whenever you guys go first I feel like a 00:29:57.500 --> 00:29:59.480 track like this, like I loved it, but I don't 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:01.839 know how to explain it. So then I can just like 00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:04.180 copy and paste and be like, you know what, I 00:30:04.180 --> 00:30:06.539 agree with what was just said. It's a great track. 00:30:08.500 --> 00:30:11.180 That's a great point though, that you made on 00:30:11.180 --> 00:30:14.019 the, on the, on a different melody on the second 00:30:14.019 --> 00:30:15.359 verse and the first verse. I didn't thought of 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.900 that. Yeah. And they do it also on, um, I think 00:30:19.900 --> 00:30:22.019 on Needle and Haystack Life, I'm thinking there's, 00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:23.940 there's another song or two on this record that 00:30:24.269 --> 00:30:27.730 that that happens on. Oh, he does it on it enough 00:30:27.730 --> 00:30:32.369 to let me go too. And so it's a fun thing that 00:30:32.369 --> 00:30:35.210 not a lot of artists do that. Bono is an example 00:30:35.210 --> 00:30:38.890 of someone who does that. But not a lot of artists 00:30:38.890 --> 00:30:42.730 do it. And I think like you want your vocal melodies 00:30:42.730 --> 00:30:45.710 to be really good. And so you like land on something. 00:30:45.789 --> 00:30:47.769 You're like, yep, we're going to do this. This 00:30:47.769 --> 00:30:50.970 is great. But to be able to pull that off twice. 00:30:51.900 --> 00:30:54.839 in two different ways i think is is great and 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.039 i love that john does that i think it makes him 00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:01.579 stand out all right what about track number eight 00:31:01.579 --> 00:31:05.400 always brandon what were your thoughts on this 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:09.819 one um i think i i like the like bells that are 00:31:09.819 --> 00:31:13.299 on the bridge um part but i think this was the 00:31:13.299 --> 00:31:15.779 first track that i just found myself not not 00:31:15.779 --> 00:31:18.759 really caring for like up until this point i 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.000 um like Pretty much liked every track. But yeah, 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.259 I think this was the first one that just didn't 00:31:24.259 --> 00:31:28.019 I I'm not sure why it just didn't didn't really 00:31:28.019 --> 00:31:34.079 like click for me Wow, yeah david you need to 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:42.059 set him straight Like for me, it's weird hearing 00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:44.440 that they got nominated for a gospel grammy on 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:46.619 this song or won the gospel grammy, right gospel. 00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:51.019 Yeah gospel rock album Whereas this this one 00:31:51.019 --> 00:31:54.500 feels on the album this feels like it's straightforward, 00:31:54.500 --> 00:31:57.920 you know Even though it could I feels like it 00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.660 could be to his wife or from the perspective 00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:02.920 of his daughter to John like this feels like 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:06.440 the most Religious song of the group in that 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:11.900 sense But it's moving, you know, like and it 00:32:11.900 --> 00:32:14.819 repeats I I liked it It's not gonna be one that 00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:17.619 I turned to right away either, but I liked it 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.200 Yeah, I don't. So if when when I was thinking, 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.019 all right, we're going to cover Hello Hurricane 00:32:23.019 --> 00:32:26.079 always is not a song that I'm like, oh, yeah, 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.759 I can't wait to talk about that song. But when 00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.400 I was listening to it, I loved everything about 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:35.980 it. Yeah, I love the piano. It's it's so good. 00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.279 And that's such a different like texture for 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:42.980 them that you. rarely like get to hear them use. 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.180 And so I thought that was cool. You've got this 00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:49.460 reverse guitar thing going into verse two. And 00:32:49.460 --> 00:32:54.319 the bridge is just unbelievable. And so I like 00:32:54.789 --> 00:32:56.950 I actually, I came out of it thinking, man, this 00:32:56.950 --> 00:32:59.470 is one of my favorite tracks on the record. And 00:32:59.470 --> 00:33:01.869 so I'm sorry, Brandon, this is just one of those 00:33:01.869 --> 00:33:05.670 places where we're gonna disagree. But maybe, 00:33:05.829 --> 00:33:07.089 I don't know, maybe you just need to spend some 00:33:07.089 --> 00:33:09.910 more time with it. I think so. It does make me 00:33:09.910 --> 00:33:13.319 sad how many times I feel like I'm The one that's 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.059 on the side being like I didn't really care for 00:33:15.059 --> 00:33:16.900 this one. Then it turns into this song changed 00:33:16.900 --> 00:33:20.420 my life I mean, I wouldn't go that far. But um, 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.680 but I do think it's a really good one. So Um 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.039 move next up. We move over to bullet soul. Uh, 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.500 what are your thoughts on that david? Bullet 00:33:30.500 --> 00:33:34.400 soul is not It feels to me as we get deeper into 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.119 the album That it's a little less cohesive as 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.779 an album and bullet bullet soul. I like the I 00:33:40.779 --> 00:33:48.539 like the I Like how he yells like it it feels 00:33:48.539 --> 00:33:50.319 like the rest of the album But then I like some 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.160 of the I don't know how to describe the guitar. 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:56.240 They're thin and crunchy like crispy And I like 00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:00.240 that stuff. It's creative and stuff But I don't 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.579 think the album needed it necessarily, but it's 00:34:03.579 --> 00:34:06.680 a cool song Yeah, I would agree with that. I 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.400 like that you mentioned the guitars being thin 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.659 and crunchy because that's that's like an early 00:34:10.659 --> 00:34:14.260 switch fit sound. Yeah, I feel like they're bringing 00:34:14.260 --> 00:34:18.199 back into play here. Like I remember hearing 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:21.500 about. Oh man, see, I'm not going to remember 00:34:21.500 --> 00:34:23.380 the name of the song now, but there was one song 00:34:23.380 --> 00:34:26.420 on learning to breathe that, um, that they kept 00:34:26.420 --> 00:34:28.340 recording the guitars for and they couldn't get 00:34:28.340 --> 00:34:30.099 a sound that they liked. And then they ended 00:34:30.099 --> 00:34:32.239 up just keeping the scratch guitars that they 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.900 use when they were recording the vocals, um, 00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:37.260 because they were that like kind of thin sound. 00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:40.099 And I kind of felt that here too with bullet 00:34:40.099 --> 00:34:43.860 soul, but at the same time, um, I actually think 00:34:43.860 --> 00:34:45.900 this is a really good song. And this one thing 00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:48.099 that I noticed as I was listening to this record 00:34:48.099 --> 00:34:51.599 is that I think for like a lot of bands, I would 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.539 say Bullet Soul is probably like a four or a 00:34:54.539 --> 00:34:58.059 five as a song. But for Switchfoot, it's just 00:34:58.059 --> 00:35:01.900 not it's not there because the the like the level 00:35:01.900 --> 00:35:04.679 of everything that they produce is like so high. 00:35:04.780 --> 00:35:07.619 Yeah. That like it just doesn't stand out amidst 00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:09.639 everything else they do, even though maybe for 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:12.039 another band this this would be like a highlight. 00:35:12.619 --> 00:35:16.679 So. I think that that is interesting because 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.280 like I think you know going back to meant to 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.400 live being the first switch foot one I listened 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.940 to I feel like I don't know if that song is the 00:35:25.940 --> 00:35:27.719 best represent I mean maybe some people would 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:31.719 say but I think that sometimes I think that you 00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:35.000 don't it almost sets you up not to enjoy you 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.420 know like I like the track always I think maybe 00:35:38.420 --> 00:35:40.539 that's my take my takeaway would have been like 00:35:40.539 --> 00:35:43.199 oh it's kind of just this like going back and 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:45.179 forth instead of enjoying like the heart of it. 00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:48.239 So I think you bring up a good point about how, 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:52.860 you know, like it's a great song, but like as 00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:56.179 far as like a switch foot song, I know for me, 00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:58.059 like I've always, I feel like it's a song that 00:35:58.059 --> 00:36:01.659 gets you like pumped up and ready to go. Like 00:36:01.659 --> 00:36:04.320 I remember listening to this in the car and I 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.219 was like, man, this is one of the songs you could 00:36:06.219 --> 00:36:08.659 put in any commercial. Like it could be about 00:36:08.659 --> 00:36:12.559 like body wash. It could be about a Subaru, whatever. 00:36:13.579 --> 00:36:17.019 And I definitely could hear it in a car commercial. 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:21.159 Yeah. So yeah, I appreciate that. I was like, 00:36:21.260 --> 00:36:23.690 yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready to go. I written it 00:36:23.690 --> 00:36:26.150 and I love to scream too. I love whenever john 00:36:26.150 --> 00:36:28.550 screams and something or yells or whatever I 00:36:28.550 --> 00:36:30.650 think you're right and that I could hear bullet 00:36:30.650 --> 00:36:34.309 soul in a car commercial whereas always I feel 00:36:34.309 --> 00:36:37.869 like would be In a movie soundtrack when somebody's 00:36:37.869 --> 00:36:41.630 like about to die or something. Um, and so that's 00:36:41.630 --> 00:36:45.710 interesting. All right track number 10 yet Um, 00:36:45.789 --> 00:36:49.449 what'd you guys think about yet? I think I I 00:36:49.449 --> 00:36:53.820 enjoyed it. Um I described it as like a stripped 00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:58.219 down track. I enjoyed that and I think that you 00:36:58.219 --> 00:37:01.039 get to appreciate a lot of the little things 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:03.920 about Switchwood when you don't have all of the 00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:06.780 bigger stuff going on. That was kind of my take 00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:13.380 on it. Yeah. For me, it's still like these last 00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:18.980 several are artistic and important but don't 00:37:18.980 --> 00:37:21.900 feel like the... The meat of the album and as 00:37:21.900 --> 00:37:24.139 when I put an album together, I always sometimes 00:37:24.139 --> 00:37:27.699 I try not to over to front load it. You know 00:37:27.699 --> 00:37:31.480 what I mean? Yeah, totally. And I feel like this 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.239 yet. Yet didn't it doesn't. It's not as memorable 00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.239 for me. Yeah, but I think I fall in the same 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.440 category. I probably wouldn't think of high as 00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:46.119 highly of it as I do even at not a super high 00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:49.880 level if. If it wasn't for like that line in 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.239 the idea of if it doesn't break your heart, it 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.760 isn't love. Um, I just, man, that's like a classic 00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.400 John Foreman line that I just think there's so 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.679 much there and that's, it's just a really beautiful 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.139 line. That's the highlight of the track for me 00:38:03.139 --> 00:38:06.059 is that, yeah. Yeah, I, I, I'm with you on that. 00:38:06.260 --> 00:38:09.699 And I remember my brother posted it on, uh, his 00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:12.519 Facebook was what we had in those days and it 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.039 was so it should have been a tweet but my brother 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.719 posted that line and then somebody has given 00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:21.179 him grief like uh like like what's that mean 00:38:21.179 --> 00:38:24.820 like okay that's great that's what a good a good 00:38:24.820 --> 00:38:28.840 quote should do absolutely is create some uh 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:30.840 some uh discomfort for people and it is it's 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.099 a cool uncomfortable line yeah i love it um next 00:38:34.099 --> 00:38:37.679 we move into sing it out um david what are your 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.110 thoughts on it This one man, I mean it's such 00:38:42.110 --> 00:38:46.329 a bold and different move for them like the I 00:38:46.329 --> 00:38:48.889 don't know how they're getting that effect And 00:38:48.889 --> 00:38:53.590 so it stayed so dark and tense for so long, you 00:38:53.590 --> 00:38:57.510 know what I mean? Which it just feels like the 00:38:57.510 --> 00:38:59.730 Psalms. Yeah, it feels like what's best of the 00:38:59.730 --> 00:39:03.449 Psalms the whole way through it Yeah, I love 00:39:03.449 --> 00:39:06.650 the production on this one because it is so different 00:39:06.650 --> 00:39:09.050 Such a different feel like if I had to pick a 00:39:09.050 --> 00:39:11.289 song that I feel like on this back section of 00:39:11.289 --> 00:39:12.989 the record That's like a highlight for me. I 00:39:12.989 --> 00:39:16.269 think it would be this one. I agree just like 00:39:16.269 --> 00:39:19.889 the drawn -out nature of it that there's just 00:39:19.889 --> 00:39:22.389 that he's painting a picture not just in the 00:39:22.389 --> 00:39:24.289 words, but even in the way he's communicating 00:39:24.289 --> 00:39:27.400 it musically and lyric like Giving the giving 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.340 us the lyrics that there's like an aching and 00:39:30.340 --> 00:39:33.880 a waiting and a yearning and I I just love that 00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:37.579 I think it's so different. Yeah. Yeah, I enjoy 00:39:37.579 --> 00:39:39.559 that you have this like build -up you have this 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.420 like journey you're going on and I appreciate 00:39:43.420 --> 00:39:46.940 it. It also felt like just there was I guess 00:39:46.940 --> 00:39:50.219 like to David's point it felt like you had some 00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:53.739 of these like like a longer songs like at the 00:39:53.739 --> 00:39:56.750 end so like at the beginning you had the like 00:39:56.750 --> 00:39:59.650 the mess of me's like the sound and all so it's 00:39:59.650 --> 00:40:02.889 like it makes me wonder if you how does the album 00:40:02.889 --> 00:40:04.909 sound maybe if you would have thrown maybe one 00:40:04.909 --> 00:40:07.449 more of those like in the back to the kind of 00:40:07.449 --> 00:40:10.829 shake like shake it up a little bit um i just 00:40:10.829 --> 00:40:12.710 kind of found myself at the end being like oh 00:40:12.710 --> 00:40:14.829 i feel like a lot of these older songs are like 00:40:14.829 --> 00:40:18.289 uh the the last songs are like four or five minute 00:40:18.289 --> 00:40:21.670 songs or whatever um So, which I guess that brings 00:40:21.670 --> 00:40:25.489 us to our last song, Red Eyes. Joel, what were 00:40:25.489 --> 00:40:31.329 you thinking about Red Eyes? Yeah, I thought 00:40:31.329 --> 00:40:33.769 this was an interesting end to the record. I 00:40:33.769 --> 00:40:37.269 like the bells. I think there's a banjo in there 00:40:37.269 --> 00:40:39.750 somewhere, which who would have ever thought 00:40:39.750 --> 00:40:44.360 that? I think my favorite thing about this one 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:49.219 is at the very end, like the slight melodic and 00:40:49.219 --> 00:40:53.380 lyrical callbacks to the first song Needle and 00:40:53.380 --> 00:40:55.619 Haystack Life that you get just kind of tying 00:40:55.619 --> 00:40:57.800 the record together and making it feel like a 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:01.000 circle that you're in. It's not like it's something 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:03.239 that ends, but something that just keeps going. 00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:06.789 And that's like a really subtle thing. Um, but 00:41:06.789 --> 00:41:10.269 um, but I really like that because as I was hearing 00:41:10.269 --> 00:41:12.190 that at the end, it made me want to go back to 00:41:12.190 --> 00:41:14.710 the beginning and start over. Um, which I think 00:41:14.710 --> 00:41:17.789 is a cool, a cool touch. Yeah. What about you, 00:41:17.809 --> 00:41:20.969 David? I mean, that's exactly what I would say. 00:41:21.469 --> 00:41:25.869 It's, it's a bookend, right? And like, and so 00:41:25.869 --> 00:41:29.809 it, it pulls in all the, but, but even in thinking 00:41:29.809 --> 00:41:31.610 of the, like hearing the instrumentation in my 00:41:31.610 --> 00:41:35.530 mind and the It was a different style of it was 00:41:35.530 --> 00:41:37.469 like not folksy. I don't know the right but there 00:41:37.469 --> 00:41:41.550 was Americana to it. Yeah, and a muted might 00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:50.349 be the word like like Sorry, my son's that's 00:41:50.349 --> 00:42:00.250 right like repeat calling me over He did it three 00:42:00.250 --> 00:42:04.309 times you're good, man Sorry for all the editing 00:42:04.309 --> 00:42:07.190 you're gonna have to do. No, you're fine Like 00:42:07.190 --> 00:42:10.710 there's a mutedness to to it that finds its way 00:42:10.710 --> 00:42:12.550 I don't know how to describe it to a non -musician 00:42:12.550 --> 00:42:15.070 like it's when you're when you're when you're 00:42:15.070 --> 00:42:17.110 Dampening the strings with your thumb around 00:42:17.110 --> 00:42:19.989 your skin to make it so it's not so brittle and 00:42:19.989 --> 00:42:25.809 bright. There's a nice Like it seems Like there's 00:42:25.809 --> 00:42:28.369 a nice texture to it that it rounds the album 00:42:28.369 --> 00:42:31.679 out. Well, yeah, I agree I think that, yeah, 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.639 I feel like it's, like I said earlier, if you 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.420 look at, if you look at an album as a, that was 00:42:37.420 --> 00:42:39.840 at a concert, I feel like it's a great way that 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.420 after you've had these, just everything else 00:42:42.420 --> 00:42:44.699 mixed together, I think it like lands the plane 00:42:44.699 --> 00:42:47.940 really well, is that you feel like it ties it 00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:49.639 a little bit, makes it a little more cohesive. 00:42:51.019 --> 00:42:53.880 So yeah. That's good. Well, let's just quickly 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.400 kind of wrap it up and talk through kind of our 00:42:56.400 --> 00:43:00.400 overall ratings for the record. And so I don't 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.800 mind going first real quick. And so for me, like 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:05.619 it was fun for me to go back. I haven't listened 00:43:05.619 --> 00:43:08.159 to this record from start to finish in quite 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:11.099 a while. And so I really enjoyed getting to do 00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:14.000 that and remembering, man, I really love this 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.000 album. And I do think that it's one of the best 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.699 records that Switchfoot has released. And so 00:43:21.699 --> 00:43:24.260 for me, I think I'm going to give it a four. 00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:28.239 uh four out of five um it's it's really up there 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.460 uh really up there for me what about you david 00:43:31.460 --> 00:43:36.699 i would say 4 .2 i love it and and that's like 00:43:36.699 --> 00:43:40.980 that's for me you you want like it is way up 00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:43.320 there like my fives are gonna be joshua tree 00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:46.679 weezer's blue album yeah amen amen sam's town 00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.519 uh you're speaking all my languages right now 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:54.690 i love it so when it's in there like a 4 .2 doesn't 00:43:54.690 --> 00:43:58.289 seem like it's a high praise. 4 .1 is a high 00:43:58.289 --> 00:44:02.789 praise. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I think I'll 00:44:02.789 --> 00:44:07.590 split the middle and do a 4 .1 then. Like I said, 00:44:07.710 --> 00:44:11.210 I went into it, I was like, man, I hope that 00:44:11.210 --> 00:44:14.090 I have matured enough to appreciate this because 00:44:14.090 --> 00:44:16.570 I'm like, it's gonna be awkward if it's the first 00:44:16.570 --> 00:44:19.369 episode we did was with my wife. and the album 00:44:19.369 --> 00:44:21.750 we did i was i gave it a 2 .5 because i was like 00:44:21.750 --> 00:44:24.010 i love half of this but the other half i don't 00:44:24.010 --> 00:44:26.510 care for at all so it was really awkward to set 00:44:26.510 --> 00:44:31.010 the tone so but this one Yeah. So this is, I 00:44:31.010 --> 00:44:34.590 think, our most cohesive, like, rating for a 00:44:34.590 --> 00:44:38.309 record ever. Four and a 4 .1 and a 4 .2. And 00:44:38.309 --> 00:44:40.250 I think this just speaks a little bit to who 00:44:40.250 --> 00:44:43.389 Switchfoot is, that they bring people together. 00:44:44.230 --> 00:44:46.630 They're uniting us all around things that are 00:44:46.630 --> 00:44:50.210 important and things that matter. Yeah, I love 00:44:50.210 --> 00:44:52.969 that we're kind of all on the same page with 00:44:52.969 --> 00:44:55.050 this one. It's a great record. It's been a lot 00:44:55.050 --> 00:44:57.250 of fun to get to dig into and talk to you. So 00:44:57.250 --> 00:44:59.610 David, we're especially thankful that you took 00:44:59.610 --> 00:45:02.030 some more time out to chat with us through this 00:45:02.030 --> 00:45:05.449 today. And we just appreciate you and appreciate 00:45:05.449 --> 00:45:09.150 everything that you guys are doing. Anything 00:45:09.150 --> 00:45:12.269 that you kind of want to say again about how 00:45:12.269 --> 00:45:15.610 people can connect with you and and what you 00:45:15.610 --> 00:45:20.130 guys are doing Real quick before you take off 00:45:20.130 --> 00:45:23.809 Yeah for fans of especially like this this album 00:45:23.809 --> 00:45:28.570 I think People would like remedy drive my bands 00:45:28.570 --> 00:45:31.889 album resuscitate and hopes not giving up this 00:45:31.889 --> 00:45:35.630 the indie album hope not giving up Because switch 00:45:35.630 --> 00:45:38.800 foot is one of my top five influences for sure 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.079 which is so for me this conversation has been 00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:44.679 a lot of fun because going back through I you 00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.880 know I'm with my family today and this album 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.739 reminded me of my family at different points 00:45:50.739 --> 00:45:52.699 in our in our when the kids were little like 00:45:52.699 --> 00:45:55.059 so that was fun thinking about it today in that 00:45:55.059 --> 00:46:00.199 context RemedyDrive .com is our where you can 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:02.300 find out about our band and if you go to the 00:46:02.300 --> 00:46:05.420 end there slash daylight united you can see about 00:46:05.879 --> 00:46:08.139 the work that we're doing combatting human trafficking. 00:46:08.739 --> 00:46:10.320 Yeah. And if you didn't get a chance to check 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.480 out the first time that we had David on, we were 00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.099 able to talk all about that and everything that 00:46:16.099 --> 00:46:18.179 they're engaged in. And so we encourage you to 00:46:18.179 --> 00:46:20.239 go back and check that out so that you can find 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.659 out how you can plug in and be involved in what 00:46:22.659 --> 00:46:23.920 they're doing around the world through that. 00:46:24.380 --> 00:46:26.139 So David, again, thanks, man. We appreciate you 00:46:26.139 --> 00:46:29.019 taking the time to be with us today. Yeah, thanks 00:46:29.019 --> 00:46:30.960 for having me on. Yeah, it's been a joy. Thanks. 00:46:33.130 --> 00:46:35.570 Alright, well before we finish today, let's take 00:46:35.570 --> 00:46:39.769 some time and look at our lyric of the week. 00:46:51.409 --> 00:46:54.889 So the lyric of the week this week comes from 00:46:54.889 --> 00:46:58.250 this album Hello Hurricane by Switchfit. One 00:46:58.250 --> 00:47:01.659 of my favorite lyrics from the record. They lock 00:47:01.659 --> 00:47:05.199 our souls in cages we hide inside our shells 00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:08.320 It's hard to free the ones you love when you 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:13.920 can't forgive yourself Yeah, I don't know just 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.619 as I was listening to that again through it made 00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:23.679 me just remember that that That we have to kind 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:27.639 of work through ourselves and our own stuff and 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:33.239 sometimes before we can step out and love somebody 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:37.000 else the way that we need to. And so, yeah, I 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:38.579 don't know. I just thought that was a fun thing 00:47:38.579 --> 00:47:41.739 for this week. So we're really thankful that 00:47:41.739 --> 00:47:44.440 you've joined us as we've been able to talk through 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:47.159 this record, Hello Hurricane. It was fun to spend 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:49.860 some time with David and get to hear his thoughts 00:47:49.860 --> 00:47:55.659 on this as well. You can find us online on Facebook. 00:47:56.059 --> 00:48:00.019 Hey, are you listening? We are on X as well. 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:03.920 But of course, we would love it if you would 00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:06.019 subscribe to the podcast if you want to leave 00:48:06.019 --> 00:48:09.179 us a review. We're just so thankful for everybody 00:48:09.179 --> 00:48:11.820 that's been taking the time to listen to these 00:48:11.820 --> 00:48:14.280 episodes each week. And we just hope and pray 00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.019 that you'll continue to join us. for the journey 00:48:17.019 --> 00:48:19.340 ahead. So thanks for hanging out with us and 00:48:19.340 --> 00:48:21.599 we'll look forward to seeing you back next week.