WEBVTT 00:00:01.449 --> 00:00:31.449 Are you listening? This ain't no quiet... It's 00:00:31.449 --> 00:00:34.869 Hey Are You Listening? This is a podcast exploring 00:00:34.869 --> 00:00:37.810 the past, present, and future of Christian music. 00:00:38.109 --> 00:00:40.090 My name is Joel and I'm here with my good friend 00:00:40.090 --> 00:00:43.140 Brandon. And we connected over a mutual love 00:00:43.140 --> 00:00:46.179 of some particular artist, but also have pretty 00:00:46.179 --> 00:00:48.179 different tastes when it comes to things. And 00:00:48.179 --> 00:00:52.579 so we get the joy of allowing each other to experience 00:00:52.579 --> 00:00:55.659 new things through things that we love. And sometimes 00:00:55.659 --> 00:00:58.280 we get to invite some friends along for the ride 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:01.460 as well. Brandon, what's going on today? I'm 00:01:01.460 --> 00:01:06.480 doing good today. That's great to hear. I'm super 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:10.019 thankful. to hear that. We have a lot to get 00:01:10.019 --> 00:01:13.579 into today and so let's just dive into what's 00:01:13.579 --> 00:01:16.280 happening and I want to first start by looking 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:22.640 at what's going on in the news. So what's in 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:26.659 the news? Christian Rock is in the news. It's 00:01:26.659 --> 00:01:30.920 happened. It's pretty wild. So I wanted to bring 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:33.650 up the fact that Um, maybe Brandon, you have 00:01:33.650 --> 00:01:38.530 a gift of prophecy. Maybe, um, I, our, our podcast 00:01:38.530 --> 00:01:42.670 episode around, uh, Halloween came out, um, and 00:01:42.670 --> 00:01:45.670 you did a game on, I think trick or treating 00:01:45.670 --> 00:01:49.989 where you gave us, uh, a hypothetical album and 00:01:49.989 --> 00:01:53.230 then asked if it was a trick or a treat. And 00:01:53.230 --> 00:01:56.290 one of the things that you called out was skillet 00:01:56.290 --> 00:01:59.590 Christmas music. And you basically were just 00:01:59.590 --> 00:02:02.739 kind of like, um, yeah. Would this be a trick 00:02:02.739 --> 00:02:05.560 or a treat? And then we turn around and just 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:08.979 a few days later, skillet drops a Christmas song. 00:02:09.939 --> 00:02:12.240 Oh, come on, come Emmanuel. How did you do this, 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.979 Brandon? John Cooper's listening. He's listening 00:02:14.979 --> 00:02:17.819 to this podcast. He heard us say that and he 00:02:17.819 --> 00:02:20.460 was like, wow, we need to do that. That's not 00:02:20.460 --> 00:02:23.610 John Cooper. Well, I don't know how well it's 00:02:23.610 --> 00:02:26.509 paid off for them, although I do think that it's 00:02:26.509 --> 00:02:29.569 probably gotten them a lot more attention than 00:02:29.569 --> 00:02:32.210 they imagined that it would. Have you followed 00:02:32.210 --> 00:02:35.629 the news around this at all? Yeah, I followed 00:02:35.629 --> 00:02:38.090 it a little bit. It's been really weird trying 00:02:38.090 --> 00:02:42.389 to like navigate it all. So essentially, here's 00:02:42.389 --> 00:02:47.189 what happens. So you have a band, Skillet, who 00:02:47.189 --> 00:02:52.500 is... They fall on that, for me, the line of 00:02:52.500 --> 00:02:56.460 like a hard rock. Not necessarily metal, but 00:02:56.460 --> 00:03:00.319 a lot of people are calling this metal. Who release 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.539 a cover of a traditional Christmas song, Okamakumi 00:03:04.539 --> 00:03:06.900 Manual. And if you listen, have you listened 00:03:06.900 --> 00:03:10.060 to it? So like the first several minutes of it 00:03:10.060 --> 00:03:14.500 is pretty chill, more traditional, but then it 00:03:14.500 --> 00:03:17.060 breaks out at the end with some screaming and 00:03:17.060 --> 00:03:21.319 some breakdowns. and um and so this has become 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:24.460 a point of debate for people that maybe didn't 00:03:24.460 --> 00:03:26.879 know skillet existed before but they're hearing 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:29.680 this for the first time and they're like oh you 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.620 can't do that like literally saying that this 00:03:32.620 --> 00:03:37.680 song is demonic yeah um what are your thoughts 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:43.659 on that i i feel like people have been like they've 00:03:43.659 --> 00:03:47.139 been putting out music like this for years. Like 00:03:47.139 --> 00:03:49.439 you have people that'll be like, I don't know, 00:03:50.219 --> 00:03:53.800 like Town of Bethlehem or whatever, and it'll 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:58.520 be like a Screamo song or whatever. I think maybe 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:02.400 it's like that it's number one, maybe like the 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.979 music video like adds to it, and then maybe it's 00:04:05.979 --> 00:04:09.300 just that it's popular, like you're seeing this, 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:13.330 and so it's a big deal. I think what's interesting, 00:04:13.629 --> 00:04:17.250 though, is that for the past year or two years 00:04:17.250 --> 00:04:20.889 or whatever, John Cooper's had his podcast, and 00:04:20.889 --> 00:04:24.970 I feel like John Cooper has built up a lot of 00:04:24.970 --> 00:04:30.110 goodwill with maybe the more conservative side 00:04:30.110 --> 00:04:33.189 of Christian music or the church or whatever. 00:04:33.189 --> 00:04:37.689 And so I think it's almost like these people 00:04:37.689 --> 00:04:41.540 hear him go on there, and so I don't know, maybe 00:04:41.540 --> 00:04:44.980 they're thinking, like, oh no, this stuff is 00:04:44.980 --> 00:04:47.259 wholesome or whatever. And like, there's nothing 00:04:47.259 --> 00:04:49.939 non -wholesome about it. But I think it's like, 00:04:50.019 --> 00:04:52.879 those maybe are the kind of people that they 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:55.600 hear screaming or see red lights or whatever, 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.519 and they think this is evil because I'm not used 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.959 to this or whatever. I think that's my whole 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.399 theory on it, maybe, is that people hear, like, 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:07.000 I don't know, like, I remember when Kanye West 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.500 released his stuff. I remember having someone 00:05:09.500 --> 00:05:12.759 come to me and say, well, hey, like, I should 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:14.939 go listen to some of his older stuff. I was like, 00:05:14.980 --> 00:05:17.279 no, I don't think his older stuff is going to 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:20.779 match up with like Jesus's king or something 00:05:20.779 --> 00:05:24.899 he released. And I guess that's my thoughts on 00:05:24.899 --> 00:05:28.040 like the controversy. It's funny to me that we're 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:32.009 back here again. that this was a late 80s, early 00:05:32.009 --> 00:05:35.769 90s conversation in the Christian music world. 00:05:36.129 --> 00:05:40.310 Oh, rock music is evil. Yeah. And so you can't 00:05:40.310 --> 00:05:44.250 take something that's evil and put Jesus, like 00:05:44.250 --> 00:05:47.370 people would say what they like quote, like the, 00:05:47.790 --> 00:05:49.709 what, what does fellowship, what fellowship does 00:05:49.709 --> 00:05:54.689 not have a darkness or whatever. And, and, and 00:05:54.689 --> 00:05:58.399 we got past this. and realize, no, there's like 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:01.660 nothing evil about rock and roll. Like what is 00:06:01.660 --> 00:06:05.779 evil is like messages and things that we're communicating. 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:08.439 And I'm just going to be honest with you. I'm 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:12.139 not, I'm not a big skillet fan. Yeah. but, like, 00:06:12.139 --> 00:06:17.300 I am defending them on this one to the end, because 00:06:17.300 --> 00:06:20.819 it's ridiculous for people, for a band that's 00:06:20.819 --> 00:06:23.579 been so outspoken about their Christian faith, 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:27.100 and never wavered in that at all, to be taking 00:06:27.100 --> 00:06:29.279 flak over something like this. I think it's just 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:34.379 silly. Yeah, I think it's this desire almost, 00:06:34.740 --> 00:06:37.740 say, You can't just say you don't like something, 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.259 you have to attach it, or it has to be a, I'm 00:06:40.259 --> 00:06:42.540 fighting a battle over this. And I mean, I'm 00:06:42.540 --> 00:06:45.620 in the same category. Like, I remember listening 00:06:45.620 --> 00:06:47.939 to Skillet when I was in like high school, and 00:06:47.939 --> 00:06:50.100 really haven't listened to him a ton since then. 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.899 But like, I don't look at them and think, well, 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:55.980 it's because they've become like demonic. It's 00:06:55.980 --> 00:06:58.439 more of just, oh, I don't enjoy that style, or 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:00.939 I just don't enjoy like... how they put their 00:07:00.939 --> 00:07:02.839 music. Like, there's nothing about, like, I'm 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:06.759 fighting a, like, righteous battle over this 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:09.500 or whatever. It's the culture we're in now where 00:07:09.500 --> 00:07:12.600 we can't just disagree about something, but, 00:07:12.620 --> 00:07:15.279 like, everything is a super polarized issue. 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.540 And if I disagree with something, then that thing 00:07:18.540 --> 00:07:20.439 that I disagree with is my enemy, and I have 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:23.720 to destroy it or take it down. And I just think, 00:07:23.779 --> 00:07:27.180 man, that's not the way of Jesus at all. And 00:07:27.180 --> 00:07:29.620 we get caught up in those battles so often. And 00:07:29.620 --> 00:07:34.100 so just interesting. So John Cooper, come on 00:07:34.100 --> 00:07:39.800 the podcast. We'll defend you. We're just a little 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.279 blown away that this is a thing that we're talking 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:46.899 about in 2025. It's pretty mind blowing. I agree. 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:49.620 You know, speaking of things we're talking about 00:07:49.620 --> 00:07:54.120 in 2025, I have a game about stuff from 1920. 00:07:57.370 --> 00:08:00.250 five Okay, well, let's talk about those things 00:08:00.250 --> 00:08:04.069 from 1925 in 2025 let's do it I forgot if we 00:08:04.069 --> 00:08:06.550 had a button for game so I was like I'll just 00:08:06.550 --> 00:08:10.670 create my own sound effect where it's that So 00:08:10.670 --> 00:08:13.689 yeah, so today we're welcoming David Zack from 00:08:13.689 --> 00:08:17.870 remedy drive on our podcast So before we he joins 00:08:17.870 --> 00:08:20.769 us Joel. I wanted to bring up some old remedies 00:08:20.769 --> 00:08:24.230 from the 1920s and I want you to tell me if you 00:08:24.230 --> 00:08:28.050 think this is real or fake, all right? Number 00:08:28.050 --> 00:08:32.210 one, drinking a spoonful of castor oil for stomach 00:08:32.210 --> 00:08:35.450 issues. Real. That is real. Yeah, I know that 00:08:35.450 --> 00:08:40.649 one. Holding a warm cabbage leaf on sore joints. 00:08:44.870 --> 00:08:51.529 Real. It is real. Keeping a clove of garlic in 00:08:51.529 --> 00:08:56.769 your shoe to ward off sickness Make sure it's 00:08:56.769 --> 00:09:01.850 not vampires Maybe it has a dual purpose Vampires, 00:09:01.850 --> 00:09:05.070 I would say it's true. Uh -huh. But yeah, let's 00:09:05.070 --> 00:09:08.970 go with true. It's true, too Keeping a potato 00:09:08.970 --> 00:09:12.669 slice in your pocket to prevent colds true made 00:09:12.669 --> 00:09:16.289 up. Ah I thought we were on a roll. These are 00:09:16.289 --> 00:09:19.259 all crazy, but they're true I don't know if you 00:09:19.259 --> 00:09:21.580 feel the same way, but when I play a game, it's 00:09:21.580 --> 00:09:24.779 almost like I root for you to fail, but it's 00:09:24.779 --> 00:09:28.759 like I don't know why. Like I'm upset that you're 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.379 getting these right. Well, congratulations. Yeah, 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.639 I did my job. We'll give a couple more of these. 00:09:38.340 --> 00:09:41.019 Drinking hot milk with black pepper to clear 00:09:41.019 --> 00:09:46.210 the sinuses. A black pepper would be good for 00:09:46.210 --> 00:09:48.450 the sinuses, but I don't think milk is good for 00:09:48.450 --> 00:09:51.529 your sinuses. I'm gonna go with not real. It's 00:09:51.529 --> 00:09:57.590 made up. Stirring tea counterclockwise to calm 00:09:57.590 --> 00:10:03.370 anxiety. Real. Made up. Those are the ones that 00:10:03.370 --> 00:10:05.549 they're just enough to be like, I could picture 00:10:05.549 --> 00:10:07.990 someone saying you got to spin it this way and 00:10:07.990 --> 00:10:10.129 it'll take away your anxiety. I feel like that 00:10:10.129 --> 00:10:13.549 would work for me. So in that sense, it is real. 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:19.360 um sleeping with an onion under the bed to stop 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:22.399 nighttime coughing oh that's just horrible um 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:24.519 it's horrible enough that it's probably real 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.340 is made up oh good good isn't it funny there's 00:10:28.340 --> 00:10:32.200 a fine line to where if it like if it sounds 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:35.679 real then that's good if it sounds crazy then 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.820 it also you think that it is real uh let's see 00:10:39.820 --> 00:10:45.779 we'll get one last one on here um Here we go 00:10:45.779 --> 00:10:50.220 mixing lard and kerosene as a salve for cuts 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:56.019 and splinters Made up. It's real. That's awful 00:10:56.019 --> 00:11:00.759 It didn't work guys It didn't work kerosene. 00:11:01.100 --> 00:11:05.419 That's yeah some of these I am so Feel like there's 00:11:05.419 --> 00:11:07.440 things I look back on and I'm like man I wish 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.019 I wish I was in a time where a house cost five 00:11:10.019 --> 00:11:12.899 bucks to buy but I also am glad that I don't 00:11:12.899 --> 00:11:16.539 live in a time where my mom is pouring gasoline, 00:11:16.580 --> 00:11:21.299 you know kerosene on my splinters. Yeah Truth 00:11:21.299 --> 00:11:23.500 truth. All right. Well, let's talk a little bit 00:11:23.500 --> 00:11:26.220 Brandon about what we've been listening to you 00:11:26.220 --> 00:11:27.600 lately What's something that you've been digging 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:32.879 into? You know this might hurt your soul a little 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:35.820 bit, but I have been digging into some Christmas 00:11:35.820 --> 00:11:40.419 music, just anticipating the stuff we're going 00:11:40.419 --> 00:11:44.399 to be reviewing. So I've been listening to that. 00:11:44.500 --> 00:11:48.879 I also found a band. I didn't look up a pronunciation 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:54.000 for this, but it's like Fepeste or Fepest. I 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:55.240 don't know if you've listened to any of their 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:59.080 stuff. I don't think so. They're on Velvet Blue 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:04.279 Music. And the album is, I want to say like produced 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:12.340 by Jason Martin. So it's pretty cool. It's one 00:12:12.340 --> 00:12:13.940 of those bands that you feel like you've found 00:12:13.940 --> 00:12:16.360 some, like you've uncovered gold because they 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.659 have maybe like 300 listens a week or a month 00:12:19.659 --> 00:12:22.720 on Spotify. So whenever I found a band like that, 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:24.860 it both makes me sad that people aren't listening 00:12:24.860 --> 00:12:27.580 to the music, but also makes me happy that like 00:12:27.450 --> 00:12:31.590 I found something like special right here. You 00:12:31.590 --> 00:12:34.610 and all the Starflare 59 fans. I guarantee you 00:12:34.610 --> 00:12:37.190 that all 300 of those are people who are big 00:12:37.190 --> 00:12:39.429 fans of Jason Martin. I'm gonna have to go check 00:12:39.429 --> 00:12:41.710 that out because I missed the boat on that one. 00:12:42.529 --> 00:12:46.570 So that's pretty awesome. Yeah. Well, so you 00:12:46.570 --> 00:12:50.350 did this the other day, but because we are having 00:12:50.350 --> 00:12:54.750 David from Remedy Drive on today. I don't have 00:12:54.750 --> 00:12:57.950 much of a history with Remedy Drive. And so one 00:12:57.950 --> 00:12:59.590 of the things that I've been spending a lot of 00:12:59.590 --> 00:13:02.190 time with lately is just their catalog and getting 00:13:02.190 --> 00:13:05.049 to know their music. And that's been, that's 00:13:05.049 --> 00:13:08.429 been a lot of fun for me to dig into. Just super 00:13:08.429 --> 00:13:12.490 like fun pop, pop rock, piano kind of driven 00:13:12.490 --> 00:13:16.159 stuff. I've really enjoyed getting into that. 00:13:16.460 --> 00:13:18.460 So that's been fun for us to listen to. That's 00:13:18.460 --> 00:13:21.500 cool. And speaking of, let's transition and start 00:13:21.500 --> 00:13:32.059 that conversation. Well today we are super excited 00:13:32.059 --> 00:13:34.519 because we have a special guest with us here 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:37.659 on Hey Are You Listening? and you may know him 00:13:37.659 --> 00:13:41.480 as the lead singer of the band Remedy Drive or 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:44.980 his work with the organization Daylight United. 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:50.840 Join us today in welcoming David Zach. David 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:53.600 how's it going man? Good to be with you guys 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:55.919 today. Yeah for having me on the program We are 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:58.200 really thankful that you're here and so we're 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:00.480 excited just to be able to hear from you a little 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.860 bit of Your story and how music's a part of that 00:14:03.860 --> 00:14:06.659 and then especially what you're investing your 00:14:06.659 --> 00:14:11.500 time and energy into with daylight united but 00:14:11.500 --> 00:14:14.899 Yes, I guess jumping into it. Um, so how did 00:14:14.899 --> 00:14:19.519 music become a part of your life? I Love music 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:21.799 ever since I was a kid. My mom would listen to 00:14:21.899 --> 00:14:25.559 We'd play Keith Green on vinyl. Uh, we weren't 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:27.419 actually allowed to listen to a lot of rock and 00:14:27.419 --> 00:14:31.360 roll. So it was like, um, there was a, uh, a 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.019 cappella group called a cappella. We listened 00:14:33.019 --> 00:14:36.500 to a lot of that wire. Yeah. An a cappella vocal 00:14:36.500 --> 00:14:40.639 band. Um, I started playing piano when I was 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:44.080 a kid, but I, I really started to learn to make 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.600 music rather than just read music when I was 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:49.000 in jazz band in eighth grade. And I started learning 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:51.820 to read chords rather than to read music. Mm 00:14:51.820 --> 00:14:54.500 -hmm. Cool. That's awesome. What were some of 00:14:54.500 --> 00:14:57.480 the Once you got to the point where you be we're 00:14:57.480 --> 00:14:59.419 able to kind of open the world up and listen 00:14:59.419 --> 00:15:02.539 to music That maybe you wanted to listen to you. 00:15:02.539 --> 00:15:04.080 What were some of the early things that really 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:08.960 you were excited about? Oh Man smashing pumpkins 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:12.779 and Pearl Jam Nirvana and some couple pilots 00:15:12.779 --> 00:15:14.899 and Dave Matthews band. Yeah, like they just 00:15:14.899 --> 00:15:16.879 jumped off the page for me That's when I was 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:19.919 13 14 15. I was sneaking that stuff to be honest 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:25.179 with you There's just something about it like 00:15:25.179 --> 00:15:28.080 living through that in the moment was something 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:33.139 else And then you too, you know you too came 00:15:33.139 --> 00:15:34.940 around right around that time period a little 00:15:34.940 --> 00:15:38.620 later for me discovering Joshua Tree in the late 00:15:38.620 --> 00:15:41.179 90s. I was like, what is this? Like it was just 00:15:41.179 --> 00:15:45.159 this, this heavenly thing. Such an incredible 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:48.500 record. Yeah. I remember really just diving into 00:15:48.500 --> 00:15:50.360 that for the first time. It's like a whole world 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:54.419 opened up. Yeah. Yeah. That's really cool. So 00:15:54.419 --> 00:15:57.620 how did that like transition from like starting 00:15:57.620 --> 00:16:00.779 to become a fan of music kind of work its way 00:16:00.779 --> 00:16:04.799 into you? Like, Starting bands and then leading 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.139 into starting this thing called remedy drive. 00:16:07.220 --> 00:16:10.899 Like how did all that work itself out? So I played 00:16:10.899 --> 00:16:13.659 a talent show my sophomore year high school where 00:16:13.659 --> 00:16:17.019 I played disarm by the smashing pumpkins just 00:16:17.019 --> 00:16:20.340 on acoustic guitar And I'd written a song an 00:16:20.340 --> 00:16:22.460 instrumental song at that time, but I just started 00:16:22.460 --> 00:16:26.320 writing songs my sophomore year high school And 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:28.500 then I invited two of my brothers in to play 00:16:28.500 --> 00:16:30.240 them with me. So we did a talent show the next 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.960 year and we did You know, we play a couple shows 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.320 a year just for the fun of it. And that led into 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:40.419 college plan consistently, like just doing free 00:16:40.419 --> 00:16:42.700 shows out on the quad and then starting to get 00:16:42.700 --> 00:16:45.720 invited to play shows around that time in Nebraska. 00:16:46.019 --> 00:16:48.740 And it just that's never dreamed that could be 00:16:48.740 --> 00:16:51.639 do something I do full time or do for a living. 00:16:51.899 --> 00:16:54.940 But that's where remedy drive started. What? 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:57.820 Tell us a little bit about the like early days 00:16:57.820 --> 00:17:01.399 of of that with remedy drive. What? Um, what 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:03.240 what did that look like? How did you guys kind 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:05.960 of get your break and all that kind of stuff? 00:17:06.900 --> 00:17:09.359 Well, we're just driving in our van. We well 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:12.819 started with my uncle's suv Uh set up our own 00:17:12.819 --> 00:17:14.519 sound system playing wherever people would have 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:19.740 us at camps at colleges um And then getting out 00:17:19.740 --> 00:17:22.200 a little farther Uh, we didn't know what to do 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:24.960 other than to just call a ton of we we were roofing 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:28.220 houses together me and my brothers um And then 00:17:28.220 --> 00:17:30.599 we figure out how to play five shows a month 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:32.920 and we figure out potentials a month and we so 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:35.900 we're able to quit quit our other jobs quit school 00:17:35.900 --> 00:17:40.880 and um do the band full -time that was 2003 and 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:44.140 it was just playing show after show after show 00:17:44.140 --> 00:17:50.180 and drive in and blown tires and then somebody 00:17:50.180 --> 00:17:53.980 from uh a record imprint underneath the warner 00:17:53.980 --> 00:17:56.019 brothers called word records heard us heard of 00:17:56.019 --> 00:17:58.230 us and Eventually we got signed. So that was 00:17:58.230 --> 00:18:00.710 around 08 that we got signed in some more. But 00:18:00.710 --> 00:18:02.890 before that, there was already a lot of people 00:18:02.890 --> 00:18:04.430 that knew of our music. So we weren't really 00:18:04.430 --> 00:18:06.369 trying to get signed. We actually didn't like 00:18:06.369 --> 00:18:11.170 the idea of the industry being pigeonholed into 00:18:11.170 --> 00:18:16.670 one thing. Yeah. You guys went for years as an 00:18:16.670 --> 00:18:20.990 independent band, which I think is so cool. It 00:18:20.990 --> 00:18:23.509 gave you all the all the cool like indie cred 00:18:23.509 --> 00:18:25.630 that you needed, like stepping into a moment 00:18:25.630 --> 00:18:31.099 like that. Yeah, I don't know if we Yeah in hindsight 00:18:31.099 --> 00:18:33.279 like we weren't the kind of cool that I wanted 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:37.420 to be But when I look back and I'm like man that 00:18:37.420 --> 00:18:40.000 was cool like because around the time you had 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.960 Franz Ferdinand and the killers and so you'd 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:44.859 had indie there was an indie sound we didn't 00:18:44.859 --> 00:18:46.339 necessarily have that indie sound but we did 00:18:46.339 --> 00:18:52.680 have our own unique sound that was That looking 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:54.779 back I'm like man that was a special time period 00:18:54.779 --> 00:18:58.440 yeah, that's cool Love that. So, I know for me, 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:01.660 the first Remedy Drive show I attended was the 00:19:01.660 --> 00:19:03.720 Rock and Worship Roadshow. It's kind of like 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:05.920 Mercy Me's, I guess, the alternative to, like, 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:09.119 Winter Jam. Yeah. So, like, going on a tour like 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:11.400 that with all of these, like, heavy hitters in 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.119 the Christian music industry, like, what was 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:17.240 that tour like? I remember one time during Mercy 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.319 Me's soundcheck, I was walking through the arena. 00:19:19.660 --> 00:19:22.000 My son Jack would wake up on the bus every day 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.339 in a new city. He was five years old. And we'd 00:19:25.339 --> 00:19:28.069 go take his Scooter around and he'd scoot around 00:19:28.069 --> 00:19:30.869 and we came through and Bart from mercy me was 00:19:30.869 --> 00:19:33.230 doing a little half handstand on my piano Just 00:19:33.230 --> 00:19:36.009 kind of imitated me because our piano was out 00:19:36.009 --> 00:19:39.269 on the stage. That was a funny moment You know 00:19:39.269 --> 00:19:41.869 getting to know a few of the bands while family 00:19:41.869 --> 00:19:44.430 force five those guys were real friendly like 00:19:44.430 --> 00:19:46.990 really fun people to be around you're speaking 00:19:46.990 --> 00:19:52.750 Brandon's language Yeah, they're like I made 00:19:52.750 --> 00:19:56.219 soul glow activator I made Solomon a birthday 00:19:56.219 --> 00:20:00.099 cake on that tour and There you know, there's 00:20:00.099 --> 00:20:02.579 a lot of hanging out on their tour bus but at 00:20:02.579 --> 00:20:05.099 the same time as if I had a family to so my wife 00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:07.700 and my son and my Two three -year -old daughter 00:20:07.700 --> 00:20:10.440 were on that and my wife was pregnant to its 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:14.420 2010 goodness And it was cool because you'd see 00:20:14.420 --> 00:20:16.500 ticket stubs from the night before you'd see 00:20:16.500 --> 00:20:18.480 like news played that venue the night before 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.970 and then I like talking to the people that work 00:20:22.970 --> 00:20:24.390 at venues like that. They're like, yeah, all 00:20:24.390 --> 00:20:27.450 you musicians want to be basketball players and 00:20:27.450 --> 00:20:28.970 hockey players. All hockey players want to be 00:20:28.970 --> 00:20:33.250 musicians. It was just fun to be in all the iconic 00:20:33.250 --> 00:20:36.289 venues, but that was never our thing. We rarely 00:20:36.289 --> 00:20:39.630 played with other bands. It was usually just 00:20:39.630 --> 00:20:44.630 us and maybe a local opener. Yeah, I know like 00:20:44.630 --> 00:20:47.089 some bands will talk about how those those kinds 00:20:47.089 --> 00:20:49.910 of tours are like amazing because it opens these 00:20:49.910 --> 00:20:52.470 doors I remember like house of heroes talking 00:20:52.470 --> 00:20:54.250 about how they went on tour with like skillet 00:20:54.250 --> 00:20:56.930 and Toby Mack But it was almost like the opposite 00:20:56.930 --> 00:20:59.589 where everyone was like, okay We know these bands 00:20:59.589 --> 00:21:01.710 but like who's this weird band singing about 00:21:01.710 --> 00:21:05.089 like World War two like pilots and all this stuff 00:21:05.089 --> 00:21:09.210 Yeah, yeah, we definitely never fit in we fit 00:21:09.210 --> 00:21:11.670 in just enough because we had all along on the 00:21:11.670 --> 00:21:15.400 radio at that time from the 2008 record and so 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:19.039 there was some people that knew uh knew our song 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:21.559 and then there was obviously fans especially 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:23.480 when we played like hometown shows like Omaha 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:27.539 Nebraska like that was so fun for people to see 00:21:27.539 --> 00:21:30.519 us you know having made it quote unquote even 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:32.039 though we were on the front end of the thing 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:35.440 um this is kind of fun i didn't realize we could 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:37.299 be going down some memory lane so much in this 00:21:37.299 --> 00:21:42.000 in this chat i love that I love that. Yeah, it's 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.220 it's cool just to see like I was in a band that 00:21:45.220 --> 00:21:48.799 never experienced anywhere close to what you've 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.640 been able to kind of walk through. But but there's 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:54.880 so much just like nostalgia and like kind of 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:57.700 warm feelings from from back in those days for 00:21:57.700 --> 00:22:01.539 me. So I understand that. So for you guys, though, 00:22:01.660 --> 00:22:04.359 like it feels like for a long time, it's been. 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:08.339 More than just music that's been kind of a driving 00:22:08.339 --> 00:22:14.119 passion for you you guys Years ago started stepping 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:19.440 into this journey of figuring out like how we 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:22.619 can fight human trafficking That's happening 00:22:22.619 --> 00:22:25.039 around the world. How did how did that first 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.599 become a thing for you to be passionate about 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:32.220 I? Have all the way back to the early days we 00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:37.980 had Found ourselves at events that at concerts 00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:41.180 helping raise awareness and funds to fight against 00:22:41.180 --> 00:22:44.640 different injustices and that the the one that 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.039 kept reoccurring was the issue of boy soldiers 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.279 a particular evil kind of human trafficking and 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:51.700 evil kind of slavery where children are forced 00:22:51.700 --> 00:22:56.380 to fight and carry guns and Seven eight -year 00:22:56.380 --> 00:23:03.579 -olds and that Sorrow And being attached to that 00:23:03.579 --> 00:23:06.619 sorrow was part of who we were and it started 00:23:06.619 --> 00:23:10.380 to come into our songs and So we were indie we 00:23:10.380 --> 00:23:13.240 were anywhere, right? Whatever we want and then 00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:15.500 after we had a little bit of success I'm like, 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:17.599 what are we gonna do with the success success 00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:22.019 is currency rock and roll is currency Our platform 00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:24.079 is currency. What are we gonna spend that currency 00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:26.759 on? How are we gonna invest that currency? And 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:29.940 so I was really moved as I kept on leaning into 00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:33.059 the issue of slavery, I think, which is, you 00:23:33.059 --> 00:23:35.519 know, historically, there's always been a small 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:37.400 kernel of people that have pushed back against 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.880 slavery throughout all of history in its different 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:42.819 forms. And it's always been acceptable. And there's 00:23:42.819 --> 00:23:47.039 always been an apathy around that issue. And 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.740 William Wilberforce's quote, the abolitionist 00:23:49.740 --> 00:23:53.539 that led the movement over across the sea in 00:23:53.539 --> 00:23:56.980 England. Over a decade before the United States 00:23:56.980 --> 00:23:59.299 finally fell in line, but he said you can choose 00:23:59.299 --> 00:24:01.019 to look the other way But you can never again 00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:05.000 say you did not know and for me because I looked 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:08.839 so intently at this issue because I was forced 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:14.180 to To engage with it on a regular basis at concerts 00:24:14.180 --> 00:24:17.460 Because our fans were really it's something that 00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:19.380 a lot of people in our community cared about 00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:23.849 and that crescendoed for me Maybe Carmichael 00:24:23.849 --> 00:24:26.609 who dyed her skin with coffee in the early 1900s 00:24:26.609 --> 00:24:29.750 to go in and rescue Six and seven year old girls 00:24:29.750 --> 00:24:31.849 out of forced ritual prostitution like these 00:24:31.849 --> 00:24:34.250 stories hundreds of stories and moments like 00:24:34.250 --> 00:24:36.049 that that just nudged me in this direction. It 00:24:36.049 --> 00:24:41.910 was this undeniable Propulsion forward by this 00:24:41.910 --> 00:24:46.069 unseen force in my life undeniable pushing me 00:24:46.069 --> 00:24:50.640 in this direction where finally in 2012 when 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:54.000 Invisible Children, an organization that exposed 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:56.460 a warlord named Joseph Kony in particular at 00:24:56.460 --> 00:25:00.700 scale, I watched a video about that with my daughter 00:25:00.700 --> 00:25:02.640 and she says, Dad, why not God protect those 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:06.640 boys? And for me, that was the last straw of 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.519 kind of dipping my toe in this whole justice 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.220 thing. And so at that point, I said, I have to 00:25:12.220 --> 00:25:15.599 write music about this particular injustice. 00:25:16.170 --> 00:25:18.910 And I need to find a way to celebrate and be 00:25:18.910 --> 00:25:22.170 involved with those who are participating in 00:25:22.170 --> 00:25:26.349 pushing back against this great darkness. I remember 00:25:26.349 --> 00:25:31.769 years ago when I watched that documentary Invisible 00:25:31.769 --> 00:25:36.369 Children for the first time, just being blown 00:25:36.369 --> 00:25:40.190 away that, man, this is happening in our world. 00:25:40.529 --> 00:25:45.819 And like, what are we doing about it? And I was 00:25:45.819 --> 00:25:48.660 super excited that there were people that were 00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:51.299 trying to bring light to the darkness that's 00:25:51.299 --> 00:25:55.599 happening. But I think a lot of people were just 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:57.799 wondering, man, that feels like it's so far away. 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.880 How can we be involved in it and engaged in it? 00:26:01.900 --> 00:26:04.539 And I love that through part of what you guys 00:26:04.539 --> 00:26:07.680 are doing, you've created pathways for people 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.500 to step in and seemingly be a part of making 00:26:11.500 --> 00:26:14.359 a difference, which I think is awesome. That's 00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:17.539 what was so great about Invisible Children, because 00:26:17.539 --> 00:26:20.019 for those of you who don't know the story, boys 00:26:20.019 --> 00:26:24.220 are getting kidnapped in Uganda and out of their 00:26:24.220 --> 00:26:26.920 huts. And so they'd walk hours to the cities 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:29.279 just to sleep in the city streets at night under 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.880 the protection of guards. And so the way that 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:35.480 Invisible Children helped... bring that to light 00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:37.640 here in the States is that thousands of kids 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.559 slept in our state capitals all over the country, 00:26:40.900 --> 00:26:43.259 college age and high school kids. Brilliant idea. 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:46.859 And you could roll your eyes like, what is it 00:26:46.859 --> 00:26:48.700 really doing anything? It did something. It moved 00:26:48.700 --> 00:26:51.500 the needle and it pulled me into action. Like 00:26:51.500 --> 00:26:54.000 it really did. I'm like, if those boys are using 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.779 the currency of their video cameras to expose 00:26:56.779 --> 00:27:00.539 this injustice, what currency do I have to use? 00:27:00.700 --> 00:27:03.680 It made me ask that question, but it made... 00:27:04.509 --> 00:27:06.829 millions of other people ask that same question. 00:27:07.490 --> 00:27:11.369 Well, can't I also do a little bit? And so with 00:27:11.369 --> 00:27:13.150 Daylight United, our counter -trafficking initiative, 00:27:13.549 --> 00:27:15.490 that's the same thing as how can I invite people 00:27:15.490 --> 00:27:18.609 into doing a little bit with their currency, 00:27:18.890 --> 00:27:20.630 which is a different currency than my rock and 00:27:20.630 --> 00:27:23.829 roll. You're using the currency of your microphones 00:27:23.829 --> 00:27:25.690 and your podcast right now to shine a little 00:27:25.690 --> 00:27:27.569 bit of light, to tear a little bit of corner 00:27:27.569 --> 00:27:31.460 off this darkness. um you know for me i feel 00:27:31.460 --> 00:27:35.299 like a lot of people they they hear um about 00:27:35.299 --> 00:27:38.599 this or that when it comes to like um like human 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.259 trafficking and all um what do you feel like 00:27:41.259 --> 00:27:44.279 is maybe one of the biggest misconceptions surrounding 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:50.779 human trafficking oh man there's so many uh that 00:27:50.779 --> 00:27:55.160 that there's chains involved necessarily um it's 00:27:55.160 --> 00:28:00.619 a very subtle and nuanced and tricky Hard to 00:28:00.619 --> 00:28:03.240 define type thing the words around the issue 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:06.960 are very odd trafficking is an odd word But it's 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:08.880 when there's fraud when there's force and when 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.680 there's coercion and someone's selling someone 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.880 else if it's sex trafficking in that capacity, 00:28:14.900 --> 00:28:18.539 but there's also labor trafficking and And I 00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:20.779 think that misconception is most victims know 00:28:20.779 --> 00:28:24.339 their victims And the reality is most victims 00:28:24.339 --> 00:28:26.680 don't realize that they're being victimized because 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.740 of that coercion factor and because of that fraud 00:28:29.740 --> 00:28:32.839 factor They're tricked into it. They're forced 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:36.460 oftentimes into into criminal actions as well 00:28:36.460 --> 00:28:38.599 So they don't have anybody to run to they don't 00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:44.859 have anybody to take their cause Well, tell us 00:28:44.859 --> 00:28:49.160 a little bit about what you guys are doing with 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:53.200 daylight united and then What are ways that people 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.819 maybe who are even listening to this can connect 00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:59.339 with what you're doing and be a part of it? How 00:28:59.339 --> 00:29:03.299 can they use the currency that they have? So 00:29:03.299 --> 00:29:07.299 Daylight United is doing several things. One 00:29:07.299 --> 00:29:09.099 is advocacy like what we're doing right now. 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:10.960 We're pointing out the fact that there's this 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.680 issue. We're raising awareness. We're raising 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:16.900 funds and anybody can participate in that. That's 00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:21.250 very easy. And what that looks like. on the front 00:29:21.250 --> 00:29:27.009 end is going into difficult situations myself 00:29:27.009 --> 00:29:29.170 and the teams that we help fund and spying on 00:29:29.170 --> 00:29:31.250 criminal networks that are selling teenage girls 00:29:31.250 --> 00:29:35.869 by the hour using technology using cyber forensics 00:29:35.869 --> 00:29:39.250 gear sometimes in person sometimes surveillance 00:29:39.250 --> 00:29:41.730 putting up hidden surveillance cameras sometimes 00:29:41.730 --> 00:29:43.569 wearing surveillance cameras to find evidence 00:29:43.569 --> 00:29:45.269 of what's going on it means getting in close 00:29:45.269 --> 00:29:49.029 with human traffickers and that's what I do I 00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.319 Find out to the best of our ability how they 00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:55.539 are running their operations where they're getting 00:29:55.539 --> 00:29:57.440 these girls from how they're keeping them under 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.039 control where they're keeping them at night so 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.140 that we can develop The kind of actionable evidence 00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:06.440 necessary to partner with law enforcement to 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:09.319 make raids against establishments and the individuals 00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.039 and the criminal networks that are trafficking 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.980 kids and Then another so that's intervening. 00:30:14.980 --> 00:30:20.009 That's the rescue piece and that's you know Helping 00:30:20.009 --> 00:30:22.529 dismantle crime syndicates and then after that 00:30:22.529 --> 00:30:24.529 when a girl comes out of that daylight united 00:30:24.529 --> 00:30:28.269 is supporting other partner teams that specialize 00:30:28.269 --> 00:30:32.490 in aftercare with trauma therapy with art therapy 00:30:32.490 --> 00:30:34.789 with well -informed and well -educated people 00:30:34.789 --> 00:30:39.670 that that bring love to these Young girls coming 00:30:39.670 --> 00:30:41.809 out of trafficking to give them a future and 00:30:41.809 --> 00:30:46.049 a hope and a resume to give them a skill set 00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:49.559 to get them through to get them education and 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:55.140 to and to help them restart their lives. I love 00:30:55.140 --> 00:30:59.859 that that's beautiful and I love that that second 00:30:59.859 --> 00:31:03.059 piece exists because I think that's so important 00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:08.890 because we all need to know that there's hope 00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:12.109 and that there's hope in this life. And if we 00:31:12.109 --> 00:31:15.069 can create pathways, not just to bring people 00:31:15.069 --> 00:31:18.509 out of darkness, but to help move people into 00:31:18.509 --> 00:31:22.309 light. And I think that's really, really beautiful. 00:31:23.650 --> 00:31:25.869 So let's just say I'm listening to this right 00:31:25.869 --> 00:31:30.250 now and I wanted to go and donate or figure out 00:31:30.250 --> 00:31:32.430 other ways that I can be involved. Where would 00:31:32.430 --> 00:31:37.240 I go to figure that out? The funnest way to jump 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:41.880 in right away is to text the word daylight to 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:48.180 the number 24365. So daylight to 24365. And you'll 00:31:48.180 --> 00:31:50.119 get updates when we make a raid, when we make 00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:53.019 a rescue. Like yesterday, thousands of people 00:31:53.019 --> 00:31:56.759 got this text that said, we participated in a 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.200 series of eight raids that resulted in... Arresting 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.619 11 human traffickers and arresting 38 girls out 00:32:02.619 --> 00:32:05.579 of trafficking and so that's texting daylight 00:32:05.579 --> 00:32:11.539 to 24 365 You can also go to our band's website 00:32:11.539 --> 00:32:17.000 remedy drive comm slash Daylight United and right 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:18.839 there. You'll see some of these recent stories 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:22.619 of raids. You'll see some videos that show some 00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:25.039 of the footage of what we're doing, show some 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.700 of these girls in, in after care, show some of 00:32:27.700 --> 00:32:30.200 the undercover footage, shows some money exchanges 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.200 with traffickers. We use Mark money and you'll 00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.559 get a chance to jump in and you might, I mean, 00:32:36.619 --> 00:32:39.660 what really helps us is $20 a month, but also 00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:42.920 what really helps us is using the currency of 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.880 your podcast to help us out using the currency 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:50.400 of this girl named Karina ran a five K and stilettos 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.759 way back in the day. And she raised all this 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.299 awareness and funds to help us fight trafficking. 00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:58.500 And her and her husband just got married and 00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:02.059 they walked 50 miles in 24 hours as part of their 00:33:02.059 --> 00:33:05.759 honeymoon. And they had people in their community 00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:10.680 sponsor each mile. There's a girl next month 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.599 that's bringing us for a dress sember event where 00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:14.839 her and a bunch of her friends are all wearing 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.180 a dress every day of December to raise funds 00:33:17.180 --> 00:33:20.500 and awareness to fight trafficking. She's bringing 00:33:20.500 --> 00:33:25.339 Remedy Drive in for a concert there. And so those 00:33:25.339 --> 00:33:28.539 are just a few ways that I don't have a great 00:33:28.539 --> 00:33:30.440 answer for anybody that's like, man, I really 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:35.400 want to get involved. And the reason is because 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:37.839 there's so many ways that you can get involved 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:39.319 because you have a different voice than me. You 00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.400 have a different skill set. You have a different 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:44.380 sphere of influence. And all of that is currency, 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.759 the creativity, your imagination. There's a way 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.009 to bring that to bear. And Daylight United exists 00:33:51.009 --> 00:33:54.529 to help harness that and connect you with something 00:33:54.529 --> 00:33:56.829 that's particularly perfect for your skill set. 00:33:58.289 --> 00:34:02.049 I love that. So I wanted to go back. You mentioned 00:34:02.049 --> 00:34:05.289 a little bit earlier talking about Bart doing 00:34:05.289 --> 00:34:08.360 a half handstand on the piano. Um, I know one 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:10.559 of the coolest things, um, if you've ever been 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.059 to a remedy drive show is something that I think 00:34:13.059 --> 00:34:16.079 you've, uh, you've called piano gymnastics, where 00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.179 there's just like people jumping off of pianos. 00:34:18.340 --> 00:34:21.619 There's like handstands going on. Um, um, so 00:34:21.619 --> 00:34:23.679 what's that? So like, how did you decide to add 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:25.619 that to your live show? Like, how did that come 00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:30.940 about? Oh, I think other people describe it as 00:34:30.940 --> 00:34:33.559 piano gymnastics. I just would describe it as 00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:38.730 like, clumsy clumsy clumsy rock and roll like 00:34:38.730 --> 00:34:41.789 I don't know I get you know we've been doing 00:34:41.789 --> 00:34:46.349 this for so long and it was early is mid -2000s 00:34:46.349 --> 00:34:49.489 that you know I finally got a piano like I would 00:34:49.489 --> 00:34:52.869 jump over my old piano but then I got a piano 00:34:52.869 --> 00:34:56.230 that I could stand on and that was a lot of fun 00:34:56.230 --> 00:34:58.409 and then I was like well I can jump off it too 00:34:58.409 --> 00:35:00.769 and I like maybe I can kind of roll do a somersault 00:35:00.769 --> 00:35:03.369 over it and then every now and then I'm able 00:35:03.369 --> 00:35:06.070 to stick a It's not a handstand like some people 00:35:06.070 --> 00:35:10.309 can do I I crank my neck over and use my shoulder 00:35:10.309 --> 00:35:14.050 as a Kickstand a little bit and I can stick that 00:35:14.050 --> 00:35:19.949 for a few seconds sometimes on a good day That 00:35:19.949 --> 00:35:24.530 sounds fun what so when you when you guys We're 00:35:24.530 --> 00:35:27.369 getting getting started and and figuring out 00:35:27.369 --> 00:35:30.409 who you were as a band what we're some of the 00:35:30.409 --> 00:35:34.250 biggest influences just on your music and even 00:35:34.250 --> 00:35:39.710 the way that you decided, we want to be faithful 00:35:39.710 --> 00:35:41.550 to actually do something with this, that it's 00:35:41.550 --> 00:35:43.750 not just about the rock and roll, but there's 00:35:43.750 --> 00:35:46.070 more than that. Who influenced that for you? 00:35:47.010 --> 00:35:51.909 That part is an easy, easy response. It's Bono 00:35:51.909 --> 00:35:56.730 100 % on all fronts. Like 100%. When he did the 00:35:56.730 --> 00:35:59.289 2006 prayer breakfast speech with George dubs 00:35:59.289 --> 00:36:01.989 in the in the Oval Office or that Whatever it 00:36:01.989 --> 00:36:05.130 was. He said this he said God is in the slums. 00:36:05.250 --> 00:36:09.429 Mm -hmm God is in the cardboard boxes where the 00:36:09.429 --> 00:36:12.929 poor playhouse mmm in the silence of a mother 00:36:12.929 --> 00:36:15.190 who's infected her daughter of a virus they'll 00:36:15.190 --> 00:36:18.849 both die from In the in the cries heard under 00:36:18.849 --> 00:36:24.780 the rubble and debris of war In the Oh, what 00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:27.539 do you say the rubble of lost lives and lost 00:36:27.539 --> 00:36:31.320 opportunity and he's with us if we're with them 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.840 and Something about the way he said that and 00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.920 that whole speech he quoted this ancient prophet 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.119 named Jeremiah and I felt ripped off that I've 00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.760 never heard that from any preacher in any Bible 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.559 study It took a rock star talking to a president 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:51.449 to say He took the cause of the oppressed. Isn't 00:36:51.449 --> 00:36:53.349 that what it means to know me says the Lord God 00:36:53.349 --> 00:36:57.090 Almighty. Mm -hmm. I Hope that was clear with 00:36:57.090 --> 00:37:00.989 all the loud cars in the background that that 00:37:00.989 --> 00:37:09.750 verse from Jeremiah and 20 21 other references 00:37:09.750 --> 00:37:12.789 like that 2100 other references like that in 00:37:12.789 --> 00:37:16.550 Hebrew and scripture the New Testament And I 00:37:16.550 --> 00:37:18.829 felt like there was some sort of scandal that 00:37:18.829 --> 00:37:21.989 that part of what it means to know the maker 00:37:21.989 --> 00:37:26.389 of all things was hidden from me and not emphasized 00:37:26.389 --> 00:37:29.329 anywhere nearly what it's emphasized in our scripture. 00:37:30.829 --> 00:37:33.550 And I don't need to read it there because what 00:37:33.550 --> 00:37:35.550 I realized is it's already written on my heart. 00:37:35.590 --> 00:37:37.909 That longing to participate in somebody else's 00:37:37.909 --> 00:37:40.909 freedom, it's innate in all of us. Whether it's 00:37:40.909 --> 00:37:44.090 me fighting against trafficking or Mother Teresa 00:37:44.090 --> 00:37:46.550 with her amazing work. Feeding and welcoming 00:37:46.550 --> 00:37:48.889 and clothing and whatever it is that we're drawn 00:37:48.889 --> 00:37:52.550 to The realization that our hearts know wait 00:37:52.550 --> 00:37:58.409 a second. I'm actually doing this And in there's 00:37:58.409 --> 00:38:00.150 individuals here on planet Earth that are that 00:38:00.150 --> 00:38:03.670 are that are hopefully Receiving some benefit 00:38:03.670 --> 00:38:06.130 from it, but it's it's it's what's feeds and 00:38:06.130 --> 00:38:08.909 nourishes my soul and pulls me into this Quality 00:38:08.909 --> 00:38:14.019 of life that's described as abundant And the 00:38:14.019 --> 00:38:17.380 more I look in the words of Jesus in particular, 00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:19.280 but in a lot of my favorite prophets like Amos 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:25.500 and Isaiah, you see that that seems to be kind 00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:28.920 of like the whole thing. Like loving my neighbor 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.760 like myself, loving my neighbor's daughter like 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.260 myself is what it means to love the maker of 00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:36.079 all things in some way that I'll never understand, 00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:39.179 but I believe to be true. I love that you said 00:38:39.179 --> 00:38:41.760 that. Because the whole time you were talking, 00:38:41.780 --> 00:38:45.019 I was thinking about um the prophet amos and 00:38:45.019 --> 00:38:47.719 one of my favorite passages is from amish chapter 00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:50.420 five where god is speaking through amos and he 00:38:50.420 --> 00:38:52.400 says take away from me the noise of your songs 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.099 the melody of your harps i won't listen um but 00:38:55.099 --> 00:38:59.119 let justice flow down um and righteousness like 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.400 an ever -flowing stream and like that's what 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.539 God desires because that's what real worship 00:39:04.539 --> 00:39:08.179 is, is honoring the things that God's given us 00:39:08.179 --> 00:39:11.539 and using them in a way that benefits his kingdom 00:39:11.539 --> 00:39:15.119 in our world. Like that's worship. Worship isn't 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.239 just singing a song to God. That doesn't cost 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.920 us anything. But really giving ourselves. I like 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.019 the way you said it the first time. It's not 00:39:23.019 --> 00:39:24.780 that it's just singing. It's not just singing. 00:39:24.860 --> 00:39:28.119 Right. I like it. It's not. It's not singing. 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.199 It's not that isn't worship. That's that's something 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.860 that's like great to do and important But it's 00:39:32.860 --> 00:39:36.079 literally talking the talk with melodies and 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.960 if it's not combined with some action then like 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:43.639 like Amos is so mean Like shut up with your song 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:45.280 I'm gonna plug my ears when you pray because 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.260 you plug your ears to the cries of the poor Yeah, 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:49.380 and Isaiah says the same thing and I say 58 and 00:39:49.380 --> 00:39:53.039 I say a one it's in the Proverbs And then Jesus 00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.219 like really solidifies it with hey I was I was 00:39:56.219 --> 00:39:58.079 in prison and you didn't visit me. I was hungry 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.840 you didn't fit I don't I don't know you and What 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:02.960 do they say this like Lord the other guys are 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.780 like Lord when when were you? When were you hungry 00:40:05.780 --> 00:40:07.900 and I fed you when were you a stranger and I 00:40:07.900 --> 00:40:11.420 did what I kid with my influence? To make sure 00:40:11.420 --> 00:40:14.360 that my society welcomes you when or when did 00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:18.059 I when Lord did I do what I could with my influence 00:40:18.059 --> 00:40:22.179 and my power and My voice in a community or in 00:40:22.179 --> 00:40:25.079 a nation to make sure that you were edged out 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:27.960 as a stranger. I mean, that's pretty, that's 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.320 pretty, that's pretty deep stuff. And I think 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.880 it's real. I think Jesus meant that and you can 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:36.059 explain it away all day long. But I also think 00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:37.800 he's going to be really kind regardless. Like, 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.300 I think it's a great parable. And they're like, 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.579 I forgive you, though. I really do. Like, I'm 00:40:43.579 --> 00:40:45.960 really hopeful about all of us in those situations. 00:40:46.900 --> 00:40:49.539 But and I'm not sure how the parables work. But 00:40:49.539 --> 00:40:50.860 at the end of the day, I'm like, I'm not doing 00:40:50.860 --> 00:40:52.579 this because I'm supposed to. I'm not doing this 00:40:52.579 --> 00:40:56.329 because It's hard to describe. I'm not doing 00:40:56.329 --> 00:40:59.829 this to be noticed by God, but in some ways I 00:40:59.829 --> 00:41:03.130 am. I kind of want to be noticed by God. And 00:41:03.130 --> 00:41:05.829 I want to be thankful. I'm so thankful for life. 00:41:06.230 --> 00:41:08.030 And one way of being thankful or worshipful, 00:41:08.030 --> 00:41:10.929 like you said, is in these actions that pull 00:41:10.929 --> 00:41:15.170 other people, lift, try to pull people up to 00:41:15.170 --> 00:41:18.670 this beautiful thing that I'm experiencing. Yeah, 00:41:18.690 --> 00:41:21.889 we tend to think that like God works inside of 00:41:21.889 --> 00:41:24.349 buildings and walls on certain days of the week. 00:41:24.929 --> 00:41:28.869 But the reality is God is moving everywhere at 00:41:28.869 --> 00:41:31.710 all times. And the invitation is way more than 00:41:31.710 --> 00:41:33.469 us to come and spend time with him on a Sunday, 00:41:33.570 --> 00:41:36.690 but how can we join him where he is and the hedges 00:41:36.690 --> 00:41:40.150 and the highways every day of the week and be 00:41:40.150 --> 00:41:43.190 a part like that's the thing that produces like 00:41:43.190 --> 00:41:46.119 joy. in our lives is when we are joining God 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:49.780 in what God is doing and fulfilling our purpose 00:41:49.780 --> 00:41:53.699 as we were created to. Yeah, I love it. So imagine 00:41:53.699 --> 00:41:56.639 me going to my A &R guy in the Christian music 00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.760 industry and saying, hey, we had some great success. 00:42:00.019 --> 00:42:02.000 We had some happy, safe for the whole family, 00:42:02.059 --> 00:42:04.400 positive, encouraging tunes on the radio. Now 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.699 I want to write an album about boy soldiers and 00:42:06.699 --> 00:42:09.900 sex trafficking and slavery. And he literally 00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:13.250 said, one of the executives said, but David isn't 00:42:13.250 --> 00:42:15.309 worship singing and all that social justice stuff. 00:42:15.969 --> 00:42:18.409 And then the marketing directors, he used a word 00:42:18.409 --> 00:42:20.190 for sex worker that I don't use, but he's like, 00:42:20.269 --> 00:42:22.050 David, I'm a, and then he said that word and 00:42:22.050 --> 00:42:23.710 he's like, I need you to give me something I 00:42:23.710 --> 00:42:27.449 can sell. And man, I immediately thought of those 00:42:27.449 --> 00:42:30.650 guys on the front end and the back end with all 00:42:30.650 --> 00:42:32.769 the stuff they were selling on, they would sell, 00:42:33.110 --> 00:42:37.199 I think 250 ,000 animals. on a typical Passover 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.739 weekend in Jerusalem. And then they'd resell 00:42:39.739 --> 00:42:41.340 them back into the meat market. So they were 00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:45.019 double -dipping. And Jesus was like, I didn't 00:42:45.019 --> 00:42:47.239 want to sacrifice. Jeremiah says the same thing. 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:51.800 This is not what I want at all. He's mad. He's 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:54.000 flipping tables. And what he does want, like 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:58.880 you said, like Amos said, he wants justice. And 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.360 justice is expensive, and it's difficult, and 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.340 it's complicated. But I get to play a tiny role 00:43:04.340 --> 00:43:09.460 in it. i love that that's awesome um so one thing 00:43:09.460 --> 00:43:13.599 i've always wondered about um is so like your 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:17.400 song hope was used in an olympic commercial um 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:20.579 i was wondering what's what's the process like 00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:24.280 for a song appearing on there like how how did 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:27.320 it and i guess also how did it feel just uh to 00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:29.480 see your song on there like is it something where 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:31.760 you guys submit or is it something where you're 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:37.800 just watching tv and you go hey that's us So 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:41.760 there's a thing called publishing and so most 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:45.099 songs have a publisher like record labels work 00:43:45.099 --> 00:43:47.619 with publishing companies and the job of them 00:43:47.619 --> 00:43:51.059 is to exploit the song however they can and try 00:43:51.059 --> 00:43:53.420 to go out and make that song work. Solomon told 00:43:53.420 --> 00:43:55.179 me on that same, you'll like this since you're 00:43:55.179 --> 00:43:57.719 a Family Force 5 fan. Solomon said, I'm tired 00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.059 of, he's like two rings for suckers, I'm tired 00:44:00.059 --> 00:44:02.480 of working for my songs, I want my songs to go 00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:08.550 out and work for me. I love that guy. He is such 00:44:08.550 --> 00:44:13.590 kind guys. Uh, but that, that didn't pay anything. 00:44:13.590 --> 00:44:16.769 That was a free use. Um, but it was, it was awesome. 00:44:17.210 --> 00:44:19.530 So there's a whole department that calls and 00:44:19.530 --> 00:44:23.309 has relationships and they work with movies and 00:44:23.309 --> 00:44:26.130 film and TV and whoever programs the Olympics 00:44:26.130 --> 00:44:28.650 and commercials and says, Hey, here's a song 00:44:28.650 --> 00:44:31.170 that I think would work for this, you know, The 00:44:31.170 --> 00:44:35.309 dream would be like a diamond, a car commercial. 00:44:35.929 --> 00:44:38.070 Although U2 passed down, you're like this, U2 00:44:38.070 --> 00:44:42.150 passed down where the streets have no name. They 00:44:42.150 --> 00:44:44.809 got a multi -million dollar offer to use their 00:44:44.809 --> 00:44:47.110 song for that. And they turned it down because 00:44:47.110 --> 00:44:49.630 their manager's like, here's what you got. Now 00:44:49.630 --> 00:44:51.389 remember, people said this song is like heaven. 00:44:52.010 --> 00:44:53.650 And it can either be like, this song sounds like 00:44:53.650 --> 00:44:55.769 heaven or this, oh, that's that song from the 00:44:55.769 --> 00:44:57.889 car commercial. but now we're turning that down. 00:44:58.030 --> 00:44:59.809 I thought that was fascinating. That's beautiful. 00:45:00.630 --> 00:45:02.949 But what was really cool around that time is 00:45:02.949 --> 00:45:09.550 when guys got hit hard in Lambeau Stadium, they 00:45:09.550 --> 00:45:12.690 played stand up. So it's like get up off the 00:45:12.690 --> 00:45:15.550 ground. So it's fun to know Brett Favre and the 00:45:15.550 --> 00:45:17.809 boys were hearing our tunes up there. That's 00:45:17.809 --> 00:45:21.130 awesome. That's really cool. Well, David, tell 00:45:21.130 --> 00:45:24.570 us a little bit about the future. for remedy 00:45:24.570 --> 00:45:27.909 drive. Obviously, you guys you've done the independent 00:45:27.909 --> 00:45:31.630 thing. You've done the the big label thing like 00:45:31.630 --> 00:45:34.449 kind of what do you see like moving forward for 00:45:34.449 --> 00:45:40.630 you guys in the future? Well, I don't know. We're 00:45:40.630 --> 00:45:45.389 just kind of coasting under the radar. You know, 00:45:45.389 --> 00:45:46.989 it was really nice to be at a label and have 00:45:46.989 --> 00:45:50.889 a lot more people hear us. But you have the tension 00:45:50.889 --> 00:45:52.889 there of them expecting something really commercial. 00:45:52.909 --> 00:45:55.260 And I don't I don't ever think we were ever really 00:45:55.260 --> 00:45:59.579 commercial or could figure out how to get what 00:45:59.579 --> 00:46:01.300 we're trying to do in front of more people, which 00:46:01.300 --> 00:46:04.760 that's something I would welcome. I'm 47 almost, 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:06.760 and so I'll take anything at this point in my 00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:08.719 life. I'm just thankful to still be making music 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.880 and to be able to figure out a way to harness 00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.960 the power of our rock music alongside a justice 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.139 issue. And so we're just going to keep on doing 00:46:17.139 --> 00:46:20.239 that under radar. Sometimes I'd love another 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:25.780 tour with a bigger band or But I also love Going 00:46:25.780 --> 00:46:28.039 into people's living rooms and playing an acoustic 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.860 set for an hour and sharing behind the scenes 00:46:30.860 --> 00:46:32.840 of some of the songs Yeah, like that's been really 00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:39.179 special, too and and maybe that's a For me that 00:46:39.179 --> 00:46:41.679 feels like a dignified way for me to continue 00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:47.219 doing this And celebrate a 25 year career so 00:46:47.219 --> 00:46:50.679 far, you know I feel like the music industry 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:54.219 has changed and shifted so much in the last 15 00:46:54.219 --> 00:46:59.340 years. And what's been cool though is that I've, 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.519 I felt like I've been able to see a lot of artists 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.739 really figure out how to navigate that and keep 00:47:06.739 --> 00:47:10.500 going in the midst of it and use what's there 00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:13.400 in a way of saying we can still do this in a 00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.900 meaningful way, even if it looks a little different. 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.380 And so I think that's exciting, man, just to 00:47:19.380 --> 00:47:23.539 kind of see, like, how can we continue to, for 00:47:23.539 --> 00:47:26.179 you, one, get the music out, but really, like, 00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:31.079 use this, that kind of God's given us as a means 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.039 to do something that's maybe even more important 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:38.980 than that. And the two are so intertwined. And 00:47:38.980 --> 00:47:42.079 kind of, it took us 11 years to figure out how 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:46.960 intertwined the work and the music is. Really 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.280 embracing the fact that as one Rises so does 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.199 the other and and a rising tide lifts both ships. 00:47:53.900 --> 00:47:58.360 So My dream is to do a tour where daylight united 00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.239 it gets in front of a lot of people And so I'm 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:04.199 still I'm still trying to to figure that out. 00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.699 I'm talking to some of my friends and bands But 00:48:07.699 --> 00:48:09.980 it's a hard thing, you know, John Foreman from 00:48:09.980 --> 00:48:12.099 the band switch foot once said to me man He's 00:48:12.099 --> 00:48:14.719 like I can't imagine doing what you do people 00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.949 are coming To have a fun night and then suddenly 00:48:17.949 --> 00:48:20.969 you're you know kind of telling them some of 00:48:20.969 --> 00:48:22.429 the worst things they've ever heard in their 00:48:22.429 --> 00:48:25.789 life and He's like you got to watch your bedside 00:48:25.789 --> 00:48:28.269 manner. And so I've taken that to heart and moving 00:48:28.269 --> 00:48:30.929 forward I'm just gonna celebrate the wins and 00:48:30.929 --> 00:48:34.329 you know Give people just a nudge of this the 00:48:34.329 --> 00:48:36.230 sad part, you know But everybody's also got so 00:48:36.230 --> 00:48:38.030 much they're going through in their regular lives, 00:48:38.150 --> 00:48:39.769 too And that's something I've had to mm -hmm 00:48:39.769 --> 00:48:42.170 realize, you know Everybody's got a lot going 00:48:42.170 --> 00:48:45.920 on And yet at the same time, I do think there 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.980 is a joy that does not exist outside of the intentional 00:48:50.980 --> 00:48:53.960 action of putting ourself in close proximity 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:56.400 with someone else's sorrow. I think there's a 00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.659 joy there. It's counterintuitive. But so is the 00:48:59.659 --> 00:49:01.880 idea of in order to find our life, we have to 00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:06.340 lose it. Man, that's beautiful. And I think you're 00:49:06.340 --> 00:49:08.960 exactly right. This has been like such a fun 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.400 conversation just to get to hear your heart. 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:17.260 behind all this, and so I'm thankful for us getting 00:49:17.260 --> 00:49:20.699 to have the chance to hear that, but I'm just 00:49:20.699 --> 00:49:22.539 really grateful for you and what you're doing 00:49:22.539 --> 00:49:27.139 as well, shining a light out on this, and more 00:49:27.139 --> 00:49:31.019 than that even, of engaging in it in a significant 00:49:31.019 --> 00:49:34.639 and in a meaningful way. So, man, thank you for 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.179 that, and thank you for sharing about how God's 00:49:38.179 --> 00:49:42.539 been able to use you and And your music in a 00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:44.360 significant way really appreciate you spending 00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.699 time with us I'm really glad to be on here and 00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:49.460 I'm sorry to you and the listeners for these 00:49:49.460 --> 00:49:53.780 continued motorcycles I've enjoyed it a lot. 00:49:53.780 --> 00:49:55.480 It took us a while to get to the good stuff I 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.579 feel like because although the front the front 00:49:57.579 --> 00:49:59.699 end was really fun for me because it was so nostalgic 00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:02.099 But I feel like this is a fun conversation. I 00:50:02.099 --> 00:50:04.039 enjoyed it a lot. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun 00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:05.900 Well, dude, we really appreciate it and thankful 00:50:05.900 --> 00:50:09.219 to be able to to have you with us today Yeah, 00:50:09.340 --> 00:50:13.699 thank you guys All right, well, let's talk about 00:50:13.699 --> 00:50:30.519 our lyric of the week Yeah, so this week's lyric 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:33.679 of the week it comes off of their release of 00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:37.940 daylight is coming And it's off the song heartbeat 00:50:37.940 --> 00:50:42.679 and it goes My heart is fast asleep, dreaming 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.079 it could bleed. For something that's real, my 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.360 desperate appeal. God, I'm getting tired of the 00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:53.039 way I feel when I would rather be alive. I like 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.840 that. I like that. It's been fun today getting 00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.719 to hear about David's story and we would just 00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:02.440 encourage you guys to check out more of their 00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:05.539 music. And also dig into what they're doing. 00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:09.340 Some really, really worthwhile work. That is 00:51:09.340 --> 00:51:11.820 a great opportunity for us all to partner with 00:51:11.820 --> 00:51:14.219 them. And we're thankful that you are partnering 00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:17.960 with us by listening to this so faithfully every 00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:22.500 week. You can find us online, Facebook, X, all 00:51:22.500 --> 00:51:26.019 the fun places. And also, we'd love it if you 00:51:26.019 --> 00:51:28.440 subscribe to the podcast so new episodes can 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.659 just drop straight into whatever app you listen 00:51:31.659 --> 00:51:34.239 to podcasts on. And we'd love it if you give 00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:36.679 us a review as well. But we're just thankful 00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:40.829 for you guys and thankful for the journey. Brandon, 00:51:41.070 --> 00:51:44.230 you teased a moment ago that as we're moving 00:51:44.230 --> 00:51:46.409 into the holidays, we're about to start talking 00:51:46.409 --> 00:51:49.650 about some Christmassy stuff. And I'm pretty 00:51:49.650 --> 00:51:51.889 pumped to get into that. So we'll look forward 00:51:51.889 --> 00:51:54.829 to catching you guys next week as we start that 00:51:54.829 --> 00:51:55.190 journey.