WEBVTT 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:05.599 Are you listening? This ain't no quiet thing 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:31.539 We're screaming out our li - What's up friends 00:00:31.539 --> 00:00:34.320 welcome to hey, are you listening? This is a 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:37.140 podcast exploring the past present and future 00:00:37.140 --> 00:00:39.939 of Christian music. My name is Joel I'm here 00:00:39.939 --> 00:00:42.340 with my good friend Brandon and we connected 00:00:42.340 --> 00:00:46.159 over a mutual love of a few particular artists 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:48.659 but have pretty different tastes when it comes 00:00:48.659 --> 00:00:51.619 to things and so together we get to experience 00:00:51.619 --> 00:00:54.159 some new things from time to time and Introduce 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:56.100 each other to some new things and sometimes have 00:00:56.100 --> 00:00:59.340 some friends along for the ride And so, excited 00:00:59.340 --> 00:01:02.100 for the journey of that. Brandon, how's it going 00:01:02.100 --> 00:01:04.719 today? It's going good. I'm enjoying a little 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:09.980 bit of fall weather. It's nice. Joel, do you 00:01:09.980 --> 00:01:13.739 feel like you are a pumpkin or an apple kind 00:01:13.739 --> 00:01:15.579 of guy when it comes to the fall? It's easy. 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:21.180 I'm easily an apple person. Pumpkin is a, like, 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:24.700 it's just kind of a no -go for me. Yeah, I don't 00:01:24.700 --> 00:01:26.640 know what it is, but I love the apple pick. I 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:29.620 like pumpkins. They're cool. I'll carve one but 00:01:29.620 --> 00:01:34.500 I like Toasted pumpkin seeds. Mm -hmm. But yeah, 00:01:34.500 --> 00:01:36.379 not much of a pumpkin person. What about you? 00:01:36.459 --> 00:01:40.959 I think it depends on The vehicle for that. I 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:42.599 was about to say vegetable fruit. I don't know. 00:01:42.659 --> 00:01:44.439 I don't know what a pumpkin is I guess it's fruit. 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:47.840 It's a gourd I think if I'm drinking it, that's 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:51.519 the toughest decision. Okay Because I love apple 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:55.560 cider love pumpkin spice like lattes I think 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:59.299 bread wise i'm going like pumpkin pie wise going 00:01:59.299 --> 00:02:02.340 pumpkin Wow, but I think if it's cookie i'm going 00:02:02.340 --> 00:02:06.959 probably maybe apple So so you're a pumpkin pie 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:10.900 over an apple pie guy Oh, I I think apple pie 00:02:10.900 --> 00:02:13.740 is you know, if we were doing the rancor list 00:02:13.740 --> 00:02:17.259 this this week on my list I think apple pie is 00:02:17.659 --> 00:02:22.080 It's hard for me to think of a Vegetable a dessert. 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.879 I don't like less than apple pie. It's very un 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:28.060 -American of you Brandon I just I decided to 00:02:28.060 --> 00:02:36.139 start this podcast is really good But no I um 00:02:36.139 --> 00:02:39.939 Yeah, I I think I don't like apple pie, but like 00:02:39.939 --> 00:02:44.340 I said like apple cookies Stuff like that. Like 00:02:44.340 --> 00:02:49.259 I I love like I really love when people just 00:02:49.259 --> 00:02:52.219 come up with different weird stuff and you get 00:02:52.219 --> 00:02:55.400 to try it. Like I am really pumped up. At home 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:59.900 right now we have this like ramen noodle cup 00:02:59.900 --> 00:03:02.639 and they came out with two flavors for Thanksgiving. 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:06.099 One is turkey feast and the other is pumpkin 00:03:06.099 --> 00:03:09.960 pie and I'm not gonna eat that whole thing but 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:12.039 I'm at least gonna take one bite of the pumpkin 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:17.219 pie ramen noodle cup. You're so adventurous in 00:03:17.219 --> 00:03:20.919 some ways, Brandon, and also in other ways, like 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.620 one of the least adventurous people that I know. 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.620 And so kudos to you, because I would not go anywhere 00:03:27.620 --> 00:03:32.159 close to that ramen. But that's OK. So today 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:37.900 we are covering an album that is kind of an interesting 00:03:37.900 --> 00:03:42.030 album for us, because I don't think that That 00:03:42.030 --> 00:03:44.770 it's one that maybe we both spent like a ton 00:03:44.770 --> 00:03:46.849 of time with and maybe not even our favorite 00:03:46.849 --> 00:03:49.030 album by this artist But we're gonna be looking 00:03:49.030 --> 00:03:54.169 at the album much afraid by jars of clay And 00:03:54.169 --> 00:03:56.710 so I'm looking forward to digging into that and 00:03:56.710 --> 00:03:59.129 to get your thoughts on that later as we get 00:03:59.129 --> 00:04:02.430 into it But before we get too into that, what 00:04:02.430 --> 00:04:03.849 are what are some things that you've been listening 00:04:03.849 --> 00:04:08.990 to lately? So actually jars of clay has something 00:04:08.990 --> 00:04:12.449 I've been through Jesus Freak Hideout, they did 00:04:12.449 --> 00:04:15.349 a really cool piece going through their top 30 00:04:15.349 --> 00:04:19.430 songs for Jarzal Kalei, and I love lists like 00:04:19.430 --> 00:04:21.870 that, and I think Jesus Freak Hideout, they do 00:04:21.870 --> 00:04:25.269 such a good job that even if I don't agree with 00:04:25.269 --> 00:04:27.589 stuff, I see where they're coming from. So I 00:04:27.589 --> 00:04:29.790 never at least did leave a Jesus Freak Hideout 00:04:29.790 --> 00:04:34.990 list being, like, frustrated. So I saw that list 00:04:34.990 --> 00:04:37.509 and it kind of made me want to go listen to a 00:04:37.509 --> 00:04:41.170 couple of uh newer ones uh as well some of the 00:04:41.170 --> 00:04:43.610 ones i love i've shared with you before that 00:04:43.610 --> 00:04:47.209 for me jars of clay it starts with good monsters 00:04:47.209 --> 00:04:49.910 so that's the one that i'm like yep this is when 00:04:49.910 --> 00:04:53.029 we begin and everything else is kind of discovering 00:04:53.029 --> 00:04:56.050 oh they they made music before that oh okay cool 00:04:56.050 --> 00:04:58.889 they made their most popular music before that 00:04:58.889 --> 00:05:04.709 oh okay cool um so i i love getting to go back 00:05:04.709 --> 00:05:08.819 and kind of Rediscover, okay, who were they were 00:05:08.819 --> 00:05:12.100 because for some bands They'll change so much 00:05:12.100 --> 00:05:14.560 over time. Yeah, so the jars of clay I'm listening 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:16.540 to might not be who they were at the beginning 00:05:16.540 --> 00:05:18.879 or it might have been every album sounding the 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:22.019 same so It's exciting for me to get to go through 00:05:22.019 --> 00:05:25.899 and listen to all of the like pre 2005 albums. 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:31.319 Yeah, that's really interesting Well, I wonder 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:33.980 do you know off the top of your head how many 00:05:33.980 --> 00:05:37.860 songs from the album Much Afraid were on that 00:05:37.860 --> 00:05:44.480 top 30 list? I'm not sure. I could go back. If 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:47.839 you want to share what you've been listening 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:50.740 to, I can go find out that information real fast. 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:52.379 That would be interesting. Yeah, something I've 00:05:52.379 --> 00:05:56.500 been listening to lately. There's a band that 00:05:56.500 --> 00:06:00.660 I got introduced to by going to Furnace Fest 00:06:00.660 --> 00:06:03.660 one year and I was listening to stuff ahead of 00:06:03.660 --> 00:06:06.839 time from artists that were going to be there. 00:06:07.420 --> 00:06:11.040 So the band's called Idle Threat. And they're 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:13.759 one of my favorite live acts at Furnace Fest 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.899 that year. So they have a record that's been 00:06:16.899 --> 00:06:19.839 out for a few years called Blurred Visions. And 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.000 it's a little heavier than what I would normally 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:25.620 listen to, especially at this stage in my life. 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:29.889 But it's really good. And, um, and there's a 00:06:29.889 --> 00:06:31.790 couple of songs on there that I just really love 00:06:31.790 --> 00:06:35.610 that are super worshipful and just very, um, 00:06:35.649 --> 00:06:38.850 very Jesus focused. And so, um, it's some of 00:06:38.850 --> 00:06:44.170 my favorite, like new, um, Christian music. And 00:06:44.170 --> 00:06:46.689 so I got to talk to them and even, even pray 00:06:46.689 --> 00:06:49.649 with them. Um, so they're really cool people 00:06:49.649 --> 00:06:52.029 and, um, just thankful that their music's out 00:06:52.029 --> 00:06:53.129 there. They're supposed to have a new record 00:06:53.129 --> 00:06:56.870 coming out. I feel like it's any day now. And 00:06:56.870 --> 00:06:59.250 so I'm really looking forward to that one and 00:06:59.250 --> 00:07:01.430 seeing if there's uh, yeah anything different 00:07:01.430 --> 00:07:04.410 out there in the world of idle threats So yeah, 00:07:04.589 --> 00:07:07.050 that's been fun to answer your list. Um, there's 00:07:07.050 --> 00:07:09.050 a few on here. Okay, so it starts with number 00:07:09.050 --> 00:07:12.389 25 Overjoyed is on the list once again. This 00:07:12.389 --> 00:07:15.670 is the top 30 um jars of clay songs according 00:07:15.670 --> 00:07:19.149 to the jesus freak hideout staff Number 21 we 00:07:19.149 --> 00:07:23.759 got portrait of an apology number 19 much afraid 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:30.300 number 17 tea and sympathy number 10 we have 00:07:30.300 --> 00:07:35.680 crazy times number 9 frail and number 8 fade 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:41.399 to gray and That's it. Okay. Oh, there's a good 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.459 bit of them. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting some 00:07:44.459 --> 00:07:47.879 of my favorite songs. Mm -hmm from this album 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:50.500 and some of my least favorite songs from this 00:07:50.500 --> 00:07:54.600 album on that list. That's cool. Yeah, I'm looking 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.079 forward to getting into that. Well, Brandon, 00:07:57.300 --> 00:08:01.879 I have a game for you today. And so this game 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:10.040 is called Guess the Collab. And so in honor of 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:14.339 Jars of Clay, and their frequent collaborations 00:08:14.339 --> 00:08:16.480 with other artists. Actually, I'm just making 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:18.560 that up because I don't really know how often 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:20.660 Jarza Clay collaborates with other artists. It 00:08:20.660 --> 00:08:23.199 doesn't seem like it's that often. Yeah. But 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:27.459 when they do, oh, they do. Right. So I'm going 00:08:27.459 --> 00:08:31.439 to give you a collaboration and then I need you 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:34.179 to tell me if it was a real collaboration that 00:08:34.179 --> 00:08:38.429 actually happened. OK. Or if it's a fake. Collaboration. 00:08:38.629 --> 00:08:42.889 I hope these are a post 2005 You're just gonna 00:08:42.889 --> 00:08:45.629 have to do your best to guess on some of these 00:08:45.629 --> 00:08:52.470 so we'll start off with Some More popular artists. 00:08:52.470 --> 00:08:54.529 Okay, maybe the kinds of artists that would have 00:08:54.529 --> 00:08:59.830 ended up on a rancor list at some point So alright, 00:09:00.110 --> 00:09:04.549 so here is one for you Lauren Daigle and Chris 00:09:04.549 --> 00:09:10.059 Tomlin Oh, did they sing with with jars of clay? 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:13.120 No, no, no. Oh that they collaborated with each 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.600 other Lauren Daigle and Chris Tomlin. Did they 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:19.700 actually collab? Is it real or is it fake? That's 00:09:19.700 --> 00:09:24.259 such a I'm gonna go fake It's real. Oh Christmas 00:09:24.259 --> 00:09:29.179 I think the song Noel. Oh, I read it together 00:09:29.179 --> 00:09:33.000 on I I could see that going either way All right 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:38.250 Here's one for you same um would have been on 00:09:38.250 --> 00:09:45.429 a rink or list casting crowns and mercy me oh 00:09:45.429 --> 00:09:49.330 i you would think that they would have had to 00:09:49.330 --> 00:09:56.330 have like partnered but i'm is it the bands or 00:09:56.330 --> 00:10:00.529 just the singers i'm gonna go yeah because i 00:10:00.529 --> 00:10:02.269 feel like the singers would have been on something 00:10:02.269 --> 00:10:05.210 together i think this happened it's a fake collaboration 00:10:05.929 --> 00:10:09.649 um they're almost too similar yeah to like collaborate 00:10:09.649 --> 00:10:12.669 together on something um it's interesting you 00:10:12.669 --> 00:10:14.769 probably know this one this is a couple of worship 00:10:14.769 --> 00:10:18.029 artists today oh yeah that's definitely up my 00:10:18.029 --> 00:10:22.190 alley phil wickham and brandon lake i'll go yeah 00:10:22.190 --> 00:10:24.710 yeah totally they've done a ton of collaborations 00:10:24.710 --> 00:10:34.970 together i think so um okay um let's see Alright, 00:10:34.970 --> 00:10:37.789 it's getting into a little more of the edgy stuff 00:10:37.789 --> 00:10:43.190 Reliant K and Owl City. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's 00:10:43.190 --> 00:10:45.610 one of my favorite songs. They did That's My 00:10:45.610 --> 00:10:47.970 Jam together. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's 00:10:47.970 --> 00:10:54.330 right. Really good song. P .O .D. and Lecrae. 00:10:54.970 --> 00:11:00.110 Google No? Nope, it's real. Oh. It's real. It's 00:11:00.110 --> 00:11:06.869 a remix. This goes out to you. Oh, okay. Okay 00:11:06.869 --> 00:11:13.409 need to breathe mm -hmm and 21 pilots I'm gonna 00:11:13.409 --> 00:11:15.350 go no on that one. You're right. That one was 00:11:15.350 --> 00:11:18.289 fake that if you told me those realize I have 00:11:18.289 --> 00:11:22.009 to go listen But you had been interested in that 00:11:22.009 --> 00:11:32.669 one for sure Third day and Michael Tate They 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:42.860 They toured so much together Hmm You know, I'm 00:11:42.860 --> 00:11:46.299 gonna go no It's real. I should have followed 00:11:46.299 --> 00:11:50.600 my gut. It happened. It happened. All right NF 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:55.639 and Toby Mack. Oh, yeah until the day I die That's 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:59.940 all they did together Well, my information says 00:11:59.940 --> 00:12:04.600 fake Oh, like NF the rapper, right? Yeah. Yeah. 00:12:05.179 --> 00:12:07.740 All right. We're about to break the system. Looking 00:12:07.740 --> 00:12:11.039 forward to hearing more. Okay, I'm gonna give 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:19.100 you one more to see if you know this one. Hillsong 00:12:19.100 --> 00:12:25.200 United and Justin Bieber. I'll go yeah. Yep. 00:12:26.179 --> 00:12:30.379 Yep. No, I think live like Justin Bieber has 00:12:30.379 --> 00:12:36.580 guested right there Okay, you're right My information 00:12:36.580 --> 00:12:40.820 is wrong. The internet's not always correct I 00:12:40.820 --> 00:12:44.460 thought you were gonna go with um so I got excited 00:12:44.460 --> 00:12:46.919 because one of my favorite jars of clay songs 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:53.639 is a uh that features Lay nash from six minutes 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:56.779 none the richer. Yeah, it does. Um, okay, you 00:12:56.779 --> 00:13:00.159 know it And so I got really excited at first 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:01.840 being like, oh, we get to talk about that song, 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:05.539 but yeah, it's off of good monsters. Well, there 00:13:05.539 --> 00:13:07.679 you go. Sorry I didn't get there. That's okay. 00:13:08.299 --> 00:13:10.159 All right. Well, let's transition and get into 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:17.840 this album, Much Afraid. All right. So a little 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.759 information on this record. Much Afraid is the 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.460 second studio album by Christian Rock Band, Jars 00:13:24.460 --> 00:13:29.120 of Clay. It was released in 1997 by Essential 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.179 Records. Following the charting success of the 00:13:32.179 --> 00:13:35.120 band's debut album, Much Afraid was moderately 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:38.059 successful but was unable to achieve the level 00:13:38.059 --> 00:13:41.139 of its predecessor. The title is a reference 00:13:41.139 --> 00:13:45.960 to Hannah Hernard's 1955 novel Heinz Viet on 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:49.179 High Places, whose main character was named Much 00:13:49.179 --> 00:13:52.190 Afraid. Much Afraid earned the band a Grammy 00:13:52.190 --> 00:13:56.889 Award for Best Pop Contemporary Gospel Album. 00:13:57.309 --> 00:14:00.730 So with that, let's talk a little bit about Much 00:14:00.730 --> 00:14:04.190 Afraid. We kind of gave a little bit of our, 00:14:04.529 --> 00:14:07.090 just kind of opening thoughts, but I'll just 00:14:07.090 --> 00:14:08.730 say, and then you can follow up with anything 00:14:08.730 --> 00:14:12.710 else maybe that you want to say. For me, I started 00:14:12.710 --> 00:14:15.230 listening to Jars of Clay with their first record 00:14:15.230 --> 00:14:20.370 that came out and loved it and was super into 00:14:20.370 --> 00:14:22.409 it. The band that I was in at the time, we covered 00:14:22.409 --> 00:14:26.549 stuff from it. And so when the second album came 00:14:26.549 --> 00:14:29.789 out, it was a different sound. They're using 00:14:29.789 --> 00:14:32.820 electric guitars for the first time. It really 00:14:32.820 --> 00:14:36.440 was like a step a progression step for them in 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:39.360 a lot of ways But I think that a lot of fans 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:41.700 were like clamoring for what they had in the 00:14:41.700 --> 00:14:45.059 first record. Um, but the first record was like 00:14:45.059 --> 00:14:50.980 Like drum tracks drum machines The new one is 00:14:50.980 --> 00:14:54.139 like real drums real instruments. And so there's 00:14:54.139 --> 00:14:58.159 a lot more like production wise happening on 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:01.820 this record and so I I see this as a really important 00:15:01.820 --> 00:15:05.320 step for them as a band. But for whatever reason, 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:09.120 it just didn't land as well for them as some 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:13.799 of the earlier stuff did. But I think it's a 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:15.639 good record. It's one of my favorite Jars of 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.059 Clay records. Do you have any other thoughts? 00:15:18.860 --> 00:15:23.379 Yeah, I think Jars of Clay is a band. I think 00:15:23.379 --> 00:15:27.820 it helps when going into this, I knew and listened 00:15:27.820 --> 00:15:31.679 a little bit of it. Um, but not really sat down 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.700 and really just like took in every song. Yeah, 00:15:34.700 --> 00:15:38.600 but it's nice to know the history and who the 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:41.100 band is because there's a lot of these older 00:15:41.100 --> 00:15:46.120 albums that It's during the us discuss discussing 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.759 it'll be asking you or a guest what's the um 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:53.860 The context of this album because it's not understanding 00:15:53.860 --> 00:15:56.440 that you know, like i'll go into an album thinking 00:15:56.899 --> 00:15:59.700 it's really deep tracks and half of them are 00:15:59.700 --> 00:16:03.399 silly you know tracks and I'm like oh yeah this 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:06.259 is a bad album this is like a two out of five 00:16:06.259 --> 00:16:08.799 but it was knowing well if I would have known 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.940 the band was like that then I appreciate you 00:16:11.940 --> 00:16:13.720 know the sense of humor they have in between 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.980 the stuff right um so to me Jars of Clay has 00:16:16.980 --> 00:16:21.129 always been a band that is um Kind of trying 00:16:21.129 --> 00:16:23.710 to challenge themselves and do something different. 00:16:23.730 --> 00:16:26.610 And I know even for me when I got into them during 00:16:26.610 --> 00:16:29.789 their later years I remember they put out like 00:16:29.789 --> 00:16:33.649 a worship album and I was like, oh, I don't like 00:16:33.649 --> 00:16:36.169 this I want all the stuff I had but it was the 00:16:36.169 --> 00:16:39.450 understanding as a fan now that it's I should 00:16:39.450 --> 00:16:42.909 appreciate that It's not them selling out and 00:16:42.909 --> 00:16:45.110 just making something to make money. It was that 00:16:45.110 --> 00:16:49.789 they felt You know They felt like they needed 00:16:49.789 --> 00:16:52.610 to, you know, inspired to put out this. Right. 00:16:52.950 --> 00:16:56.529 Um, so yeah, I think going into this it's I expected 00:16:56.529 --> 00:16:58.850 it to be different just because of what i've 00:16:58.850 --> 00:17:01.769 seen. Um, but also the 90s was a weird place 00:17:01.769 --> 00:17:07.769 for music. So It's fun exposing you to the 90s 00:17:07.769 --> 00:17:11.029 and letting you feel what is out there and why 00:17:11.029 --> 00:17:14.950 The 90s were necessary for the 2000s to exist. 00:17:14.990 --> 00:17:19.950 I feel like sometimes um My the best way to describe 00:17:19.950 --> 00:17:24.329 my experience with music in the 90s is I'm like 00:17:24.329 --> 00:17:27.910 that person that I listen to DC talk audio adrenaline 00:17:27.910 --> 00:17:30.549 and newsboys So I feel like I'm the kind of person 00:17:30.549 --> 00:17:33.170 that drives into Orlando But only goes to Disney 00:17:33.170 --> 00:17:35.490 then comes home and people are like, well, there's 00:17:35.490 --> 00:17:37.670 more stuff than just that there's restaurants 00:17:37.670 --> 00:17:40.009 There's other places and I'm sitting there being 00:17:40.009 --> 00:17:44.559 like This isn't Disney. It's like this is Target 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:46.720 brand and this is a store. This is this or this 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:49.380 is the beach brand and there are no roller coasters 00:17:49.380 --> 00:17:53.059 So yeah, sometimes you've got experience or enjoy 00:17:53.059 --> 00:17:57.240 the weirdness And realize that there's a lot 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.819 of weirdness in DC talk audio adrenaline and 00:17:59.819 --> 00:18:02.319 the newsboys in their early years I don't listen 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:06.799 to those albums With those DC talk fans, it's 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:09.759 like man the two albums they did How amazing. 00:18:10.619 --> 00:18:12.940 And there's like three other out. Well, you know, 00:18:13.059 --> 00:18:16.900 we're gonna focus on these two. Yeah, there's 00:18:16.900 --> 00:18:19.059 some interesting stuff early on. I'm sure we'll 00:18:19.059 --> 00:18:21.759 get into it for all of those artists at some 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:25.450 point, but yeah. when you when you're a band 00:18:25.450 --> 00:18:27.630 like the newsboys and steve taylor wrote all 00:18:27.630 --> 00:18:30.210 your songs for a while you know that those songs 00:18:30.210 --> 00:18:32.509 are going to be interesting yes and a little 00:18:32.509 --> 00:18:36.490 eclectic and uh and silly so all right well let's 00:18:36.490 --> 00:18:39.529 get into a track by track conversation of much 00:18:39.529 --> 00:18:43.150 afraid and so we'll kind of kick things off with 00:18:43.150 --> 00:18:47.769 the first track overjoyed um how do you feel 00:18:47.769 --> 00:18:52.819 like this worked as a first track i I think my 00:18:52.819 --> 00:18:57.160 first impressions was, all right, what are we 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:00.740 establishing? What path are we going down? But 00:19:00.740 --> 00:19:03.079 then having listened through the track, I was 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:05.460 able to appreciate that, okay, we're building 00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:08.660 to this, like this starts off. And so I feel 00:19:08.660 --> 00:19:13.200 like as an opener, it did a good job of, I think 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:15.819 it painted a picture of what the rest of the 00:19:15.819 --> 00:19:18.900 album was going to look like. There wasn't any 00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:22.170 sudden shifts, you know? So I felt like it did 00:19:22.170 --> 00:19:25.450 a good job of kind of showing you what's to come. 00:19:26.109 --> 00:19:27.970 Yeah, this is an interesting first track for 00:19:27.970 --> 00:19:32.970 me. I felt like it starts off pretty subtle and 00:19:32.970 --> 00:19:36.990 then it feels just like a little like disconnected, 00:19:37.450 --> 00:19:41.730 disjointed and not super cohesive as a song until 00:19:41.730 --> 00:19:44.829 you kind of get into the chorus and things kind 00:19:44.829 --> 00:19:47.470 of come together. And so it's not my favorite. 00:19:49.069 --> 00:19:50.750 It's it's not anywhere close to one of my favorite 00:19:50.750 --> 00:19:53.630 tracks on the record. It is the first time we 00:19:53.630 --> 00:19:56.049 really hear a guitar solo Yeah jars of clay, 00:19:56.250 --> 00:19:58.589 which is which is kind of a fun thing to experience. 00:19:59.009 --> 00:20:01.529 But um Yeah, I don't know. I'm just kind of like 00:20:01.529 --> 00:20:04.549 yeah, it's just it's us It's a song and I guess 00:20:04.549 --> 00:20:07.410 that it says some things about what's coming 00:20:07.410 --> 00:20:09.869 because it is different from their early stuff 00:20:09.869 --> 00:20:13.910 Yeah after our joy we now fade to gray in our 00:20:13.910 --> 00:20:18.140 next track Well, how'd you feel about fade to 00:20:18.140 --> 00:20:21.720 gray? Yeah, so much more into fade to gray than 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:28.480 I was into over overjoyed I like I like the like 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:31.599 organ and the kind of drum machine thing that 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:34.559 starts off at the beginning it just feels it 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:39.140 felt a lot unlike anything that Jarzik Lee had 00:20:39.140 --> 00:20:43.440 ever done before mm -hmm and so there's a lot 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:48.160 of like layers of things, um, that are happening. 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:52.400 There's orchestra happening. Um, and then when 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.259 you get into like the second chorus, um, this 00:20:56.259 --> 00:21:00.259 it's weird because it actually that like the 00:21:00.259 --> 00:21:04.140 second chorus feels like a song that would have 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:07.200 been on the first jars of clay record, but getting 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:09.920 there like was a totally different experience. 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:12.960 And so it's like, Hey guys, we're gonna do something 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:15.299 that's like really new and different, but by 00:21:15.299 --> 00:21:18.940 the way, we're still the same band. Yeah It's 00:21:18.940 --> 00:21:22.119 like check us out. We're trying something new 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:24.460 but we're still here. It's still us. Yeah, so 00:21:24.460 --> 00:21:28.900 the same guys and so I I like this one a lot 00:21:28.900 --> 00:21:31.740 because I think that it does a lot of cool things 00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:34.720 It's got a really like heavy breakdown on the 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:37.759 bridge, which I thought was cool And I love the 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:39.859 vocals that are yeah at the end of the track. 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:42.509 So Yeah, I like this one a lot. It's a highlight 00:21:42.509 --> 00:21:46.809 for me. I think it's interesting because I Feel 00:21:46.809 --> 00:21:50.210 as though we're flip -flopped with them. No that 00:21:50.210 --> 00:21:54.609 for me. I felt this song was kind of Chaotic 00:21:54.609 --> 00:21:57.589 in a bad way that I didn't like that. It jumped 00:21:57.589 --> 00:22:01.789 around like it did so for me I felt as though 00:22:01.789 --> 00:22:04.710 okay. Can we go back to the first track or or 00:22:04.710 --> 00:22:09.329 maybe it was you know, honestly, maybe it's a 00:22:09.819 --> 00:22:12.500 Okay, this is a second track in a row that there's 00:22:12.500 --> 00:22:16.740 this Shift in the middle like of the song and 00:22:16.740 --> 00:22:20.220 it's me thinking Okay, that's cool for that track. 00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:23.160 But it's you know, it's like a guitar solo if 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:26.119 you have Like Freebird or whatever. It's got 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.059 that guitar. So that lasts forever But every 00:22:29.059 --> 00:22:31.259 song they did have like a three -minute guitar 00:22:31.259 --> 00:22:33.900 solo you'd be like, I don't like I don't like 00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:38.079 this band like That should be special. Yeah So 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:40.900 yeah, I think for me it was flip flop that kind 00:22:40.900 --> 00:22:43.000 of felt the way I think you did about overjoyed 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:47.819 with it. Interesting. Yeah. Um, they definitely, 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.720 the guitar thing is interesting on here because 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:54.180 it's like, Hey, we've never done this before. 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:56.720 And then next track, they're like, remember we 00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:58.720 had never, we never did this before. Now we're 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:01.450 going to do it again. I feel like there's a lot 00:23:01.450 --> 00:23:03.849 of that which I mean this it's kind of fun. Yeah, 00:23:03.869 --> 00:23:06.230 it's progression. So yeah, well, that's okay 00:23:06.230 --> 00:23:08.990 We can agree to disagree on that not my favorite 00:23:08.990 --> 00:23:12.390 song on the record Yeah, but track three is one 00:23:12.390 --> 00:23:15.349 of my favorite songs on the record tea and sympathy. 00:23:15.470 --> 00:23:17.930 What do you think about that one? I really like 00:23:17.930 --> 00:23:21.109 this. I felt like it's a song that translates 00:23:21.109 --> 00:23:25.349 Like well during a concert. Yeah, and I think 00:23:25.349 --> 00:23:29.099 that it's something I think of a lot when I'm 00:23:29.099 --> 00:23:33.240 going through different albums and songs and 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:36.940 such. I like too that it is, I feel as though 00:23:36.940 --> 00:23:39.740 I'm listening to the same song throughout. So 00:23:39.740 --> 00:23:43.420 it was, we finally got a song that was, okay 00:23:43.420 --> 00:23:45.539 there's no shift where it's, we have guitar, 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.619 we're happy, but now we have this, you know, 00:23:48.740 --> 00:23:51.720 I don't know, some kind of... Marching or something 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:53.900 going on or whatever. There's nothing that's 00:23:53.900 --> 00:23:57.200 thrown in Brandon is anti -marching in music 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:04.920 Apple pie Do you feel about it? Um, yeah, I love 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:07.559 this song. I agree with you. It's very cohesive 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.420 as a song. Um, it just, the whole thing works 00:24:10.420 --> 00:24:12.819 together really well, even though there is build 00:24:12.819 --> 00:24:15.240 and like a lot of the string work that comes 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:18.079 in, like as the song progresses is great, but 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:20.539 it's just building on what's already there versus 00:24:20.539 --> 00:24:23.779 like shifting. Um, and I think that that works 00:24:23.779 --> 00:24:27.279 really well. Um, I get tons of like Beatles vibes 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:31.509 from this song and I love that. Um, Even the 00:24:31.509 --> 00:24:35.089 line we can work it out. Mm -hmm is a stolen 00:24:35.089 --> 00:24:38.029 Beatles line They use towards the end. And so 00:24:38.029 --> 00:24:41.150 yeah, this song is just makes me feel good and 00:24:41.150 --> 00:24:43.490 ready to tackle whatever I need to tackle It's 00:24:43.490 --> 00:24:46.630 a it's a really really great song. So love it 00:24:46.859 --> 00:24:49.359 Sometimes I like whenever you go first because 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:52.259 I'm able to piggyback up what you're saying So 00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:54.259 like just now when I went first, it's like it's 00:24:54.259 --> 00:24:57.539 a song that together it stays, you know, you're 00:24:57.539 --> 00:25:01.960 like cohesive So when I go second I go yes, let 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:08.359 me steal that word cohesive Next we move to crazy 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:11.980 times Would you think about it Joel? Well, it 00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:16.220 seems it's always the crazy times We'll wake 00:25:16.220 --> 00:25:19.240 up and realize um, no, this is a good song. This 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.240 is actually the first song I ever heard um on 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:26.779 this record, I think that um I think I was watching 00:25:26.779 --> 00:25:30.640 the dev awards or something one year and Before 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:32.799 this album came out they played this live and 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:35.579 I was just like there's electric guitar in jars 00:25:35.579 --> 00:25:38.240 of clay. What's happening? Um, it just felt like 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:43.339 this crazy, um moment and um, and yeah, I think 00:25:43.339 --> 00:25:48.259 that um It's an yeah, it's a good it's a good 00:25:48.259 --> 00:25:51.680 song. I even think that they they spent some 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:56.480 time with like sting Mm -hmm and some other like 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.039 secular artists like sting hosted this thing 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:01.140 and they went to it songwriting thing So I think 00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:03.299 they wrote some of this record like with him. 00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:06.579 Mm -hmm Interestingly enough and so I think this 00:26:06.579 --> 00:26:08.720 song is part of what came out of that. It's got 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.970 a really cool bridge Um, that's very beetle -esque 00:26:12.970 --> 00:26:15.869 and then like guitar solo that's mostly like 00:26:15.869 --> 00:26:17.470 playing the same note over and over and over 00:26:17.470 --> 00:26:23.089 again. Um, but it works as a song. Um, and I 00:26:23.089 --> 00:26:25.390 think, I think, like I said, the bridge is cool. 00:26:25.630 --> 00:26:28.529 Um, I think they were hoping that this was like, 00:26:28.910 --> 00:26:31.690 this was going to be the song. Like pretty sure 00:26:31.690 --> 00:26:33.849 it was the first single off the record. I think 00:26:33.849 --> 00:26:36.369 they were hoping like, no, this is the song that 00:26:36.369 --> 00:26:38.769 everybody's going to know. This is jars of clay 00:26:38.769 --> 00:26:42.839 now. Um, but it's just not what people were looking 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:45.259 for. Um, and so I don't think it landed the way 00:26:45.259 --> 00:26:47.799 they wanted it to, but I, I still like it. It's 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:51.119 a good song. I remember whenever I hear singer 00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:54.519 sting, so I grew up with wrestler sting. So for 00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:56.140 the longest time, I thought that was the same 00:26:56.140 --> 00:27:00.380 person. And I used to think that guy is so, it's 00:27:00.380 --> 00:27:02.859 so unique that he does all this wrestling, but 00:27:02.859 --> 00:27:05.960 also he's well known as a singer. And I just 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.690 thought it was so weird. Um, It wasn't until 00:27:08.690 --> 00:27:10.849 later on that I was like, that's two different 00:27:10.849 --> 00:27:13.410 people. That's not him wrestling for the World 00:27:13.410 --> 00:27:15.710 Heavyweight Championship on Sunday than Monday 00:27:15.710 --> 00:27:18.910 doing a concert in England or something. Truth. 00:27:19.890 --> 00:27:22.990 I love this track. I was trying to think of how 00:27:22.990 --> 00:27:27.490 to explain it because I listened to this and 00:27:27.490 --> 00:27:32.849 I thought Jars of Clay is at their best when 00:27:32.849 --> 00:27:35.670 they're doing this. And I think it's hard to 00:27:35.670 --> 00:27:38.910 describe this, but it made me think a lot of, 00:27:39.230 --> 00:27:43.210 on Good Monsters, one thing that drew me into 00:27:43.210 --> 00:27:46.289 that album when I got it was that there's this, 00:27:46.710 --> 00:27:48.910 I feel like aggressive isn't the right word, 00:27:49.190 --> 00:27:52.410 but there's this urgency or there's this in this 00:27:52.410 --> 00:27:56.589 space, like they're annoyed. And I think in this 00:27:56.589 --> 00:28:00.609 song, there's a person that is frustrated. Maybe 00:28:00.609 --> 00:28:04.150 that's the best way to do it. So it reminded 00:28:04.150 --> 00:28:08.089 me a lot of kind of what I felt like they would 00:28:08.089 --> 00:28:13.069 Like they did on um good monsters Um, and I really 00:28:13.069 --> 00:28:16.349 love the the bridge like it's really fun. Um 00:28:16.349 --> 00:28:20.150 in it Yeah, I agree on the bridge. I think like 00:28:20.150 --> 00:28:23.509 I said, I think it's a great song I just it's 00:28:23.509 --> 00:28:25.589 not I don't think it was what people were expecting. 00:28:25.930 --> 00:28:28.069 Yeah, so I don't think it landed the way they 00:28:28.069 --> 00:28:31.980 they really wanted to Track number five is frail, 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:37.039 which is very different from crazy times What 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:41.000 would you think about frail? I I did not care 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.839 for the long intro It is a very long intro. I 00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.319 think for me it makes sense if it's a separate 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:53.359 track if um because on some of their older ones 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.240 there's ones that have a two -minute intro right 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:02.940 and I think I don't know that it'd be interesting 00:29:02.940 --> 00:29:05.799 to kind of know why they went with that because 00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.380 you're I think with this one You're like a minute 00:29:08.380 --> 00:29:11.000 and a half into before you know, that's what 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:15.839 I'm like the first Lyric and I think for me as 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.839 a lyric person I think that if you have the interlude 00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:21.940 Then it's cool so we can have the three -minute 00:29:21.940 --> 00:29:24.599 track where the lyrics hit as soon as the track 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.200 goes, right? So for me, I'm just I find myself 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.619 Waiting around to be like, all right, when are 00:29:30.619 --> 00:29:36.359 we gonna get some words in this? Yeah How'd you 00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:40.279 feel about it when the words The song actually 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:46.119 got into um, like I didn't I Felt like it was 00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:49.000 like a song like I I didn't I didn't like it 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:53.000 or dislike it. I think that Just the minute and 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.299 a half took away from really getting into it 00:29:57.180 --> 00:30:00.420 Yeah, like this is a track that I'm not going 00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:02.980 to add to my playlist. So there's other songs 00:30:02.980 --> 00:30:06.559 that I can listen to and eventually pick up more 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.279 things But with a track like this, it's hard 00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:12.759 to Have it on repeat and picking up stuff. Yeah, 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.200 I think you probably do end up appreciating it 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:16.960 more But it's it's like a movie that's three 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.400 hours long. You got a plan for that You're not 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:21.900 just gonna turn on and be like, all right, here's 00:30:21.900 --> 00:30:24.240 the three -hour movie. Yeah, this one feels to 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:30.140 me like if I'm watching a movie and there's a 00:30:30.140 --> 00:30:32.420 scene where somebody's upset about something 00:30:32.420 --> 00:30:34.700 that just happened and they're like walking away 00:30:34.700 --> 00:30:37.079 from a situation or driving away from a situation. 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:39.500 Like I imagine this song as like a soundtrack 00:30:39.500 --> 00:30:43.559 song. Because I feel like what's happening in 00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:48.079 the music actually really I like it. I think 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.640 there's some really interesting guitar stuff 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:56.130 going on. I'm with you that like There this could 00:30:56.130 --> 00:30:57.930 have just been an instrumental even there's a 00:30:57.930 --> 00:31:00.170 part where there's like talking behind it Yeah, 00:31:00.190 --> 00:31:03.390 which is kind of what leads me maybe to the soundtrack 00:31:03.390 --> 00:31:04.970 thing, but then I actually really like it when 00:31:04.970 --> 00:31:07.930 the vocals come in and so It's not my favorite 00:31:07.930 --> 00:31:11.910 song on the record, but it's just Different and 00:31:11.910 --> 00:31:15.430 interesting and so I get though Exactly what 00:31:15.430 --> 00:31:17.210 you're saying about why does it take so long 00:31:17.210 --> 00:31:18.910 to get into the lyrics? Yeah, could they have 00:31:18.910 --> 00:31:22.710 just like Sectioned it off. Maybe I hear you 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:31.339 Next up is five candles Yeah, so This is the 00:31:31.339 --> 00:31:36.259 songs fine I like the verse a lot. I feel like 00:31:36.259 --> 00:31:39.680 the chorus is just like a little lacking it it 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:43.460 doesn't really Do what I would want it to do 00:31:43.460 --> 00:31:48.119 for a jars of clay chorus. And so it's um This 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.460 this is one of those songs that it's better than 00:31:51.460 --> 00:31:54.190 like, mm -hmm It's there but yeah, it just doesn't 00:31:54.190 --> 00:31:56.269 really it's not one of my favorite tracks on 00:31:56.269 --> 00:31:59.230 the record a little trivia to it is that it was 00:31:59.230 --> 00:32:03.009 originally made for the jim carrey movie liar 00:32:03.009 --> 00:32:07.130 liar, yeah, and um It wasn't in I think it's 00:32:07.130 --> 00:32:08.670 supposed to be in the credits. I don't think 00:32:08.670 --> 00:32:11.069 it's in the credits, but it made it to the soundtrack 00:32:11.069 --> 00:32:16.230 and um So I just enjoy that little Trivia where 00:32:16.230 --> 00:32:18.289 there's this random jars of clay and jim carrey 00:32:18.289 --> 00:32:22.170 connection from the 90s. Um For me, I'm the same 00:32:22.170 --> 00:32:25.710 way. I think it's a good song. I don't really 00:32:25.710 --> 00:32:29.329 think there's anything special happening with 00:32:29.329 --> 00:32:34.529 it. I think that hearing, think of it being in 00:32:34.529 --> 00:32:38.170 a movie, I could totally see this being, I guess 00:32:38.170 --> 00:32:42.670 how you said, the previous track being this soundtrack. 00:32:42.930 --> 00:32:45.509 I can picture that happening in a movie where 00:32:45.509 --> 00:32:48.369 you have this sequence of the characters are 00:32:48.369 --> 00:32:52.480 going through whatever. The credits hitting like 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:54.279 I'm in theater and I start hearing this play. 00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:57.240 I'm not gonna mind it Yeah, I'm also not gonna 00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.759 jump off and be like you guys hearing this. I 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:03.539 thought the movie was great The credits yeah, 00:33:03.539 --> 00:33:08.200 I get that All right track seven is weighed down 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.420 or your thoughts on weighed down I think lyrically 00:33:12.420 --> 00:33:15.619 I enjoyed it, but I think musically and vocally 00:33:15.619 --> 00:33:19.529 it Maybe just like drags a little yeah, and I 00:33:19.529 --> 00:33:22.890 mean, maybe it's like the album kind of having 00:33:22.890 --> 00:33:27.549 this There's like maybe back and forth of like 00:33:27.549 --> 00:33:32.670 speeding up and slowing down and I think Like 00:33:32.670 --> 00:33:34.509 you said earlier with this being their second 00:33:34.509 --> 00:33:37.670 album They're it's like they're still trying 00:33:37.670 --> 00:33:41.269 to figure out who Who they're going to be yeah, 00:33:41.269 --> 00:33:45.730 it's still experimenting and so it Comes across 00:33:45.730 --> 00:33:47.990 as roots. We're throwing a lot of the board to 00:33:47.990 --> 00:33:51.650 kind of see what I think maybe what the fans 00:33:51.650 --> 00:33:55.069 like but also the band what do we enjoy playing? 00:33:55.069 --> 00:34:00.130 Yeah, so Yeah, I'm with you. Like I think the 00:34:00.130 --> 00:34:04.049 lyrics are good. I like I like the bass guitar 00:34:04.049 --> 00:34:06.829 in the song. Mm -hmm. The vocals do this thing 00:34:06.829 --> 00:34:10.110 where they like pull back On the chorus, which 00:34:10.110 --> 00:34:11.789 is weird. That's kind of the opposite of what 00:34:11.789 --> 00:34:15.530 you would normally do. Yeah And so yeah for me 00:34:15.530 --> 00:34:18.530 like this song is just kind of a filler Filler 00:34:18.530 --> 00:34:21.489 track. It's not it doesn't really stand out for 00:34:21.489 --> 00:34:26.570 me. Yeah, so Next up we have portrait of an apology 00:34:26.570 --> 00:34:34.309 So more filler mm -hmm for me on this one, I 00:34:34.309 --> 00:34:37.159 think the songs too long Yeah, it just keeps 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:41.440 going on and and and when a song goes on and 00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:44.380 then but it's still not even doing much. Um, 00:34:44.380 --> 00:34:47.500 that's just what I feel there's banjo and that's 00:34:47.500 --> 00:34:49.780 cool But man, I was just ready for this track 00:34:49.780 --> 00:34:53.119 to be over when we got to the end of it I could 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.340 have just copied and pasted your thoughts on 00:34:55.340 --> 00:34:59.780 it because what I wrote down was Um, I feel like 00:34:59.780 --> 00:35:02.880 it's just really long song But I do like the 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:08.139 random banjo in it, so I just copy and pasted 00:35:08.139 --> 00:35:13.840 that. And I don't know. So one thing I wonder 00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.199 with some of these is that I know that back in 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.480 the day, you're held to a, oh, we cannot do more 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.820 than 70 minutes or whatever that this CD can 00:35:24.820 --> 00:35:29.300 hold, but. When it when it came to contracts, 00:35:29.300 --> 00:35:32.579 I don't know if you would know this or speculating 00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:35.719 But are there in certain contracts where it's 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.940 like hey you you have to give us 60 minutes of 00:35:39.940 --> 00:35:43.000 material or you have to give us 13 songs per 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:48.050 album or Yeah, I have no idea There it's possible, 00:35:48.210 --> 00:35:50.690 but I can't imagine honestly that a record label 00:35:50.690 --> 00:35:53.429 enjoys when a band takes the song on too long 00:35:53.429 --> 00:35:55.909 because they want singles and singles are like 00:35:55.909 --> 00:36:00.150 two and a half minutes. Um, and so I would imagine 00:36:00.150 --> 00:36:03.570 that they'd probably want more songs rather than 00:36:03.570 --> 00:36:06.900 like longer songs. But they want as many singles 00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:09.659 as they can get off of a record and any song 00:36:09.659 --> 00:36:12.119 that just kind of drones on for a while Or doesn't 00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.880 have vocals for a minute and a half like there's 00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.280 no way that's gonna be a single, right? I feel 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.440 like we need to have some kind of a higher up 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.239 from a record label on here just to ask their 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:25.699 perspective on stuff because honestly you hear 00:36:25.699 --> 00:36:28.500 the artist perspective on a lot of stuff and 00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:31.000 I think a lot of times I see where they're coming 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:32.920 from but I know in the past do there's been a 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:35.840 few times where Thought well, it sounds like 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:38.480 the record label is being a reasonable. I understand 00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.840 when you're in the moment. It's annoying But 00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:43.860 like that'd be a cool perspective. So for all 00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:46.159 the record execs that are listening to this right 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:49.639 now Yes, Brandon Abel Frank Tate. Yeah, I know 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.019 they're listening. Come on the show. That'd be 00:36:52.019 --> 00:36:56.719 great Next up we have truce What are your thoughts 00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:03.150 on truce truce? Truce is fine. It's It's interesting 00:37:03.150 --> 00:37:05.650 at least. It's trying to do some things. I feel 00:37:05.650 --> 00:37:07.329 like this is kind of what you were saying earlier 00:37:07.329 --> 00:37:08.889 where they're just throwing some stuff at the 00:37:08.889 --> 00:37:12.550 wall to see what's gonna work or stick. There's 00:37:12.550 --> 00:37:19.989 a big shift when the chorus hits. Yeah, it feels 00:37:19.989 --> 00:37:22.369 like the bridge reminds me a little bit of like 00:37:22.369 --> 00:37:27.710 the crazy time bridge. So I don't know. Yeah, 00:37:27.710 --> 00:37:30.530 it's an interesting song. But I feel like this 00:37:30.530 --> 00:37:33.889 section of this record Like I just struggle a 00:37:33.889 --> 00:37:35.789 little with yeah because we get into the second 00:37:35.789 --> 00:37:38.289 half of the album It just feels a lot weaker 00:37:38.289 --> 00:37:41.050 to me than the first half. What's interesting 00:37:41.050 --> 00:37:45.750 is that I was thinking that There's a lot of 00:37:45.750 --> 00:37:48.829 stuff we've reviewed that feels as though you 00:37:48.829 --> 00:37:51.150 have these two different sections and there's 00:37:51.150 --> 00:37:55.630 a few stuff like I think that um You know at 00:37:55.630 --> 00:37:57.610 the top of my head the gable price and friends 00:37:58.200 --> 00:38:02.320 um cd slash ep we we reviewed i think it's something 00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:06.460 that it's kind of okay you have this is the same 00:38:06.460 --> 00:38:09.460 thing there's not a like slow side or whatever 00:38:09.460 --> 00:38:13.219 right and um so it's interesting with these that 00:38:13.219 --> 00:38:15.300 there's been a lot of them that i feel as though 00:38:15.300 --> 00:38:18.159 towards the second like the end of it i was really 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:21.500 enjoying what was going on uh whereas this one 00:38:21.500 --> 00:38:24.599 i agree it feels as though the front the front 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.420 is loaded With a lot of like newer stuff and 00:38:28.420 --> 00:38:30.619 on the back end you're getting kind of a repeat 00:38:30.619 --> 00:38:33.679 of some stuff and I I think that if you're someone 00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:36.519 Like yourself that loved what they were doing 00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.380 or someone like myself that loves what they're 00:38:38.380 --> 00:38:41.739 doing ten years from now You get to the point 00:38:41.739 --> 00:38:44.039 where you're like, okay. Yeah, we it was cool 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.139 what you were doing, but we want you to do These 00:38:47.139 --> 00:38:50.300 other things there's a real thing to like the 00:38:50.300 --> 00:38:53.760 sophomore slump Um, when it comes to bands putting 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.840 out albums and so I feel like this album is It's 00:38:57.840 --> 00:38:59.900 not all a slump. Like there's some really good 00:38:59.900 --> 00:39:03.659 songs on here. Um, but there's also just a lot 00:39:03.659 --> 00:39:07.679 that like feels like We have to put out not an 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.139 ep but like a full length and so let's just write 00:39:10.139 --> 00:39:13.139 some songs and and kind of get it done And so 00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:15.219 i'm guessing that they're probably with some 00:39:15.219 --> 00:39:17.780 pressure like rushing them to get this thing 00:39:17.780 --> 00:39:20.239 out and they probably didn't have as much time 00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:24.039 to spend on writing these songs and recording 00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:27.340 these songs. That kind of leads to where you 00:39:27.340 --> 00:39:30.360 end up in a situation like that. So all right. 00:39:30.539 --> 00:39:33.860 Track 10 is the title track of the record, Much 00:39:33.860 --> 00:39:36.800 Afraid. What did you think about this one? I 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.260 liked it a lot. I think it's another song that 00:39:40.260 --> 00:39:44.960 live would be great. I think as far as the songs 00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:49.590 that were a little Slower or maybe not as jumpy 00:39:49.590 --> 00:39:52.829 or energetic or whatever I think this was the 00:39:52.829 --> 00:39:55.329 best one on here. Yeah, so it is a little bit 00:39:55.329 --> 00:40:00.289 of a It's not getting me up and you know moving 00:40:00.289 --> 00:40:02.989 but I think that it does kind of wake you up 00:40:02.989 --> 00:40:05.389 a little bit into Okay, I'm not done with this 00:40:05.389 --> 00:40:08.570 album like just yet Yeah, but there's definitely 00:40:08.570 --> 00:40:11.510 a step up that happens here on this one and I 00:40:11.510 --> 00:40:15.460 think the lyrics are really good It's just yeah, 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:18.340 it it's a much better song in the vein of the 00:40:18.340 --> 00:40:21.940 last few songs Um, and so yeah, I definitely 00:40:21.940 --> 00:40:24.559 like That there's a little bit of a step up at 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:28.380 this point. So we end with him. What were your 00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:33.280 thoughts? So I love this one um Personally, and 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:36.239 I know again, it's a pretty chill song, but it's 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.760 got a different feel um in the sense that it's 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.750 like Um, I mean it feels like a hymn Obviously. 00:40:44.449 --> 00:40:46.829 And so it feels directed in a different way than 00:40:46.829 --> 00:40:51.329 like a lot of these other songs previous. I think 00:40:51.329 --> 00:40:55.110 it's really beautiful. The melodies are great. 00:40:55.230 --> 00:40:59.469 The lyrics are wonderful. They really capture 00:40:59.469 --> 00:41:03.489 like what a hymn sounds like when they're writing 00:41:03.489 --> 00:41:05.630 this. I think the harmonies on the chorus are 00:41:05.630 --> 00:41:10.369 like really pretty and beautiful and full. And 00:41:10.369 --> 00:41:15.849 so I... This one in Tea and Sympathy are like 00:41:15.849 --> 00:41:18.230 wrestling for like my favorite songs on the record. 00:41:19.309 --> 00:41:23.750 Yeah Yeah, I think for me I I liked it. I feel 00:41:23.750 --> 00:41:26.550 like it's it wasn't to the level of like how 00:41:26.550 --> 00:41:30.989 much you enjoyed it. Yeah But I liked it and 00:41:30.989 --> 00:41:34.969 I didn't find myself going with this Okay, we've 00:41:34.969 --> 00:41:38.369 got this then much afraid then back down. I felt 00:41:38.369 --> 00:41:41.659 like it stayed on par with okay this was cool 00:41:41.659 --> 00:41:48.739 um i was wondering do you think that uh it being 00:41:48.739 --> 00:41:53.840 an ending song like do you think it was a great 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.679 way to end the album or do you think it would 00:41:56.679 --> 00:42:00.679 have been better placed elsewhere you put this 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:02.440 in the middle of the album do you think it helps 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:06.699 or it could have been maybe I actually think 00:42:06.699 --> 00:42:09.539 it's an okay ending song, but I don't feel like 00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:12.400 it was earned by the songs that came before it. 00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:17.940 You know what I mean? I feel like if the second 00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:20.619 half of the record was on par with the first 00:42:20.619 --> 00:42:24.679 half of the record and you had your good energy 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:30.780 and And it was just product even yet production 00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:33.000 wise like the same feeling like the first half 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.460 of the record Then when you got to this song, 00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:39.840 it would feel like a pretty Like just shift towards 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.460 simplicity But also like big beautiful vocals 00:42:43.460 --> 00:42:45.800 that I feel like it would have stood out more 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.300 Yeah, if the record was a little more cohesive. 00:42:48.579 --> 00:42:51.440 Yeah, and so I think I'd probably leave it where 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.800 it is But I just I still wish that that one little 00:42:54.800 --> 00:43:01.719 section was a little yeah better Yeah Do you 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:04.860 have any final thoughts on this one? Now that 00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:07.019 you've been able to spend time with the second 00:43:07.019 --> 00:43:10.139 Sharz of Clay record. Yeah, it's it's cool going 00:43:10.139 --> 00:43:14.420 back I think this is the worst. This is the hardest 00:43:14.420 --> 00:43:17.599 part. Sometimes is that you you give a rating 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:21.360 of an album and It can come across as either. 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:25.099 Oh, this was horrible or this was whatever and 00:43:25.099 --> 00:43:29.750 I I think for me it it sometimes makes it more 00:43:29.750 --> 00:43:33.130 difficult because if I never listen to any of 00:43:33.130 --> 00:43:36.389 Jars of Clay, I feel like it would get higher, 00:43:36.769 --> 00:43:41.269 but it almost gets penalized because I know that, 00:43:41.269 --> 00:43:46.530 oh, these other albums are incredible. So, I 00:43:46.530 --> 00:43:49.670 find myself listening through it going, oh, okay, 00:43:49.789 --> 00:43:51.730 well, I'm going to stop this and go listen to 00:43:51.730 --> 00:43:55.519 the album I like. so it's you almost get penalized 00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.079 when you i think it's like star wars like people 00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.420 who've never watched star wars you could show 00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:02.800 them any of the movies and they'd go man this 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:05.619 was cool there was careful what you say right 00:44:05.619 --> 00:44:08.860 now like you could show them anything and they 00:44:08.860 --> 00:44:11.619 would go man this was that was cool what they 00:44:11.619 --> 00:44:14.519 did you know or like i'll i mean especially like 00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.039 i think the first six if you showed them any 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:21.039 of those even like the the the prequel ones They're 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:22.840 gonna go man. This is cool what they're doing. 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:25.420 But when you're someone who loves star wars, 00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:28.500 those are some of the people that They're like 00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:31.440 I love the the three that I love so I remember 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:34.019 people who love the original ones They would 00:44:34.019 --> 00:44:36.719 watch one two and three and just be like this 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:38.739 is the worst stuff ever blah blah blah And then 00:44:38.739 --> 00:44:41.139 when disney took over star wars it became well 00:44:41.139 --> 00:44:43.320 george luke was amazing these other ones are 00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.400 blah blah blah and it becomes this like attack, 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:50.039 but I think it's because they It's hard for them 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.159 to enjoy it because they're used to I'm used 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.599 to Darth Vader who is Jar Jar Binks You can't 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:57.820 make Star Wars fans happy just like you can't 00:44:57.820 --> 00:45:00.760 make Jar Jar Binks I'm just kidding. I don't 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:08.460 know No, that's good so for you, where would 00:45:08.460 --> 00:45:13.360 you rate this album one to five? Man, it's it's 00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.099 tough. I'll be honest. I think that I was landing 00:45:16.099 --> 00:45:20.639 with I was thinking of three, but I was thinking 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.519 of other albums I've ranked at a three and when 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:24.679 I put it there, then I was thinking of like 2 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:30.559 .5 and I'm thinking, I think a 2 .5 is good, 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.599 but people think that you're giving it. So I 00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:35.980 think a 2 .75 is where I land in the middle. 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.019 Yeah. All right. I think I'm going to go with 00:45:38.019 --> 00:45:43.519 a three on this for me. I enjoyed it a lot when 00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:47.780 it was released for the first time. And it was 00:45:47.780 --> 00:45:53.179 different. Um, but it, it aside from a few songs 00:45:53.179 --> 00:45:57.079 that I probably listened to ongoing, most of 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:01.099 this, I don't go back to you. Um, and so it's, 00:46:01.260 --> 00:46:03.119 it just kind of hangs out somewhere in there 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.679 in the middle for me. I'm thankful that they 00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.719 took some risks and we're trying some new things 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.760 because I think you have to do that as an artist. 00:46:10.259 --> 00:46:13.500 I think that it was interesting to go and look 00:46:13.500 --> 00:46:16.639 at how many of these tracks landed on the Jesus 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:22.219 Free Hideout list. And it did make me think that, 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:23.760 you know, okay, these things aren't connected 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.599 with me, but for these people, they've been sitting 00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:30.260 with them for, you know, what, two, two and a 00:46:30.260 --> 00:46:34.739 half decades or whatever. So it was cool to look 00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:38.119 and see that appreciated on there. Because I 00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:40.019 will be honest a lot of mine was like well, there's 00:46:40.019 --> 00:46:41.980 not a lot of good monsters appearing on this 00:46:41.980 --> 00:46:46.820 one, but But yeah to me it's it's it's just always 00:46:46.820 --> 00:46:49.599 exciting to go back and listen to something you've 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.280 never listened to you know, whether it ends up 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:54.920 being a Diamond in the rough and it's that five 00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.440 star or even if it's something low I think that 00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.219 I this is my I always give this disclaimer if 00:47:01.219 --> 00:47:03.179 I give anything under a three So if you were 00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:07.000 to go back over the past 11, 12 episodes, you 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.219 would see that anytime there's three, there's, 00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:11.059 all right, here's Brandon's five minute rant 00:47:11.059 --> 00:47:13.079 of like, hey, I gave it a little rate, but I 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:19.159 don't hate it. You do feel like you need to apologize 00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.320 for your thoughts and your feelings. Well, it's 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.880 like I said beforehand, there's bands that I 00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.480 feel as though I never gave a chance because 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:31.889 I had someone back in the day say, Oh, your bands 00:47:31.889 --> 00:47:35.030 are terrible, but my band's cool, right? so I 00:47:35.030 --> 00:47:38.489 think for me I always like to be careful because 00:47:38.489 --> 00:47:41.289 I know I I want to be careful because I know 00:47:41.289 --> 00:47:43.889 there's so much stuff I listen to that like if 00:47:43.889 --> 00:47:46.389 someone went through and listened to like A lot 00:47:46.389 --> 00:47:48.849 of me without you were dangles and stuff. They 00:47:48.849 --> 00:47:50.710 would sit there and be like rena You're gonna 00:47:50.710 --> 00:47:53.250 you're seriously gonna write my album, but two 00:47:53.250 --> 00:47:56.610 but you're gonna give that a 4 .5 or whatever 00:47:56.610 --> 00:47:59.389 And so I feel like I need to cushion it that 00:47:59.389 --> 00:48:03.360 way when we inevitably do rank like a Danielson 00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:06.199 album or whatever, people don't just grab their 00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.039 pitchforks. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. 00:48:08.219 --> 00:48:10.440 What's the first Danielson album that we will 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.179 cover on this show? Is it going to be Fetch the 00:48:15.179 --> 00:48:17.760 Compass Kids? Is it going to be Ships? I don't 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:24.079 know. There's some good ones out there. Looking 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.719 forward to that. Alright, let's talk about what 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:44.099 our lyric of the week is So our lyric of the 00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:46.699 week this week comes from one of Brandon's favorite 00:48:46.699 --> 00:48:53.880 songs on the album frail um blessed are the shallow 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:57.000 depth they'll never find seems to be some comfort 00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.500 in rooms i try to hide exposed beyond the shadows 00:49:00.500 --> 00:49:03.380 you take the cup from me your dirt removes my 00:49:03.380 --> 00:49:09.519 blindness your pain becomes my peace it's pretty 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:13.179 good writing yeah it's cool you should listen 00:49:13.179 --> 00:49:15.320 the last half of that song i should go listen 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:19.010 to him just kidding Well, this has been a cool 00:49:19.010 --> 00:49:23.489 jump back to look at much afraid by jars of clay 00:49:23.489 --> 00:49:27.269 and I'm I'm looking forward to eventually getting 00:49:27.269 --> 00:49:29.230 to hear some of the stuff that you're enjoying 00:49:29.230 --> 00:49:33.190 later because for me like My jars of clay listening 00:49:33.190 --> 00:49:36.750 dropped off a lot after much afraid and so the 00:49:36.750 --> 00:49:38.769 stuff that you're really into is stuff that I 00:49:38.769 --> 00:49:40.349 haven't really even spent time with I have a 00:49:40.349 --> 00:49:43.070 good friend named Kyle who good monsters is one 00:49:43.070 --> 00:49:45.570 of his favorite records And so I'm excited to 00:49:45.570 --> 00:49:47.829 like spend some time with that stuff later So 00:49:47.829 --> 00:49:50.849 it'll be fun to dig into it and we thank you 00:49:50.849 --> 00:49:54.289 of course for joining us as well and Just jumping 00:49:54.289 --> 00:49:57.010 into this journey with us. 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