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Are you listening? This ain't no quiet thing

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We're screaming out our lungs Hey! Are you listening?

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Hey! Are you there? Hey! Are you listening? Or

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do you just not care? Are you listening? This

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is a podcast exploring the past, present and

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future of Christian music. My name is Joel, and

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I'm here with my good friend Brandon. And we

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connected over a mutual love of some particular

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artists, one of whom we're going to have with

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us today. But we also have some pretty different

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tastes along the way. And so we get to experience

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some new stuff from each other while inviting

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some friends along for the ride, which is always

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a good time. Brandon, how are you doing today?

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I'm doing great today. Awesome. I'm always hoping

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you have like something like really insightful

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to say when I ask you that question bringing

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some news to the table I don't I feel like right

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now. I don't know if it's good or bad, but I

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feel like I'm really living off of Leftover Halloween

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candy. Oh, yeah, so I don't I feel like I'm feeling

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happy But I know that I'm eating a lot of just

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junk so I don't know you're you might pay for

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it That's awesome. Well, today's really fun because

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we actually have a friend here with us today

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and drum roll. You may know him as the bass player

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in the band John Zetta or the singer in Don Quixote's

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Horse or maybe even those few shows that he played

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with a band called Bellador way back in the day.

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Joining us today is our friend Ty Garvey. Ty,

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what's going on, man? Hey, guys, how's it going?

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Good. Good, man. It's so good to see you. I can't

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believe you brought up the shows. The one show

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I played with. No, it wasn't just one show. I

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mean, just one show. I obviously wasn't around

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then. So you are not. And sadly, and in truth,

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we told I played like half the show. Oh, actually,

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I was at that show. Then was that the one at

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Horizon? Yes, okay. So never mind. I was there

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I think it was like Christmas break or something

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and I was something like that Yeah, I didn't

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have a base Like my base. I don't know what happened

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to my base I think I'd given it to someone else

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to like do something with and And I was like

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I called I think Tony was still working at music

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around at the time. Yeah and i was like tony

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i need you to bring me a bass for music around

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this show because i don't have one so was it

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that that was scott's like last show and so they

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were transitioning him out like as you were transitioning

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in or something yeah i think that was kind of

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the idea um but then it just and i i think we

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rehearsed a handful of times after that and it

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just kind of never yeah it's kind of fizzled

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out but um it was fun uh you know That was I

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mean, I guess I guess Brandon, you know that

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that was Joel's old band. Mm -hmm. And what you

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probably don't know is that that band was like

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my favorite band of all time and like still like

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one of like as far as bands that had an influence

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on me as a person Just way up there on the list

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And so it was just I mean it was even surreal

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to just be like in that band for for like 10

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minutes Well, i'm really i'm i'm personally honored

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that after I was in the band that That the bass

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player for jones etta played in the band that

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I used to be in It sounds like this band just

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had such an impact that maybe they should be

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on that list of the best christian bands of all

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time Oh, okay there you brought it up. Here we

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go. Um ty I don't know if you if you don't follow

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us on facebook. Have you seen the drama? I don't

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know. I haven't seen the drama. I don't have

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a Facebook, but I have listened to that episode.

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Yeah, there's some real controversy in that episode.

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So just to catch you up, then I posted a poll

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on our Facebook page asking people to let us

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know who they thought should be in the top 10

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Christian artists of all time. And let's just

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say we're going to like call it um pole gate

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or something i don't know it's just like gone

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a little uh out of control and a little controversial

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so i'm not really sure what we started what's

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what's the uh most controversial thing that's

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been said so far um mostly just people mad that

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their favorite artist wasn't on the original

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list of like five artists that i put on there

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I feel like the list, it is a little weird though

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because you have right now Amy Grant's leading,

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but I think that Jonesetta right now is like

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in a 10 -way tie for 10th place on the best Christian

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bands ever, so. I personally voted for Jonesetta.

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However, I also voted for Amy Grant. So, I mean

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it is, we are getting close to Christmas season

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and Amy is the queen in my opinion, so. I don't

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know and people are gonna people and have their

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opinions about who they think should be up there,

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but Ironically, I don't think that our list is

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gonna end up being that different from Which

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breaks my heart a little bit, but I'm with you

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Jill I just I just kept shaking my head at that

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list You know, it's whoever whoever's playing

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on Caleb now. It's basically what that list is.

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I guess I don't I don't know of someone who doesn't

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listen to Caleb. So, anyways, well, thanks for

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bringing that up, Brandon. We do encourage you

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to go find the poll and vote, especially if you

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vote for Jonesetta. Yeah, it'd be great. It'd

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be great. All right, well. Today's gonna be really

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fun because mostly we're just gonna talk to Ty

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and get to know him and his story a little bit

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and figure out what all happened as a part of

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his life and where he is now, what's happening

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with him now. But before we get into all of that,

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we are going to talk about what's in the news.

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So what's been going on in the world of Christian

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music? Basically nothing. Unless you have something

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you know, I actually at the time of record by

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the time this releases Winter Jam will have released

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their Lineup and I feel like that's probably

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Probably they they had an image earlier where

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it's looking like it's gonna be a Like a male

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artists headlining. It's one of those things

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where I don't know if you've you've seen but

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they'll like Blur out all the bands and ask for

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people to choose But I feel like you have your

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classic like you have that the one headliner

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Then you're gonna have a female soloist then

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a group probably a rapper on there I don't know

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one thing I've noticed in the past few years.

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It used to be Like ten bands, but I think in

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the past few years It's shrank down to closer

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to seven or so which I don't know. I remember

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back in the day It would be exciting to have

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my band like a band that I liked on there, but

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like I remember Stephanie Smith getting Maybe

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15 minutes. So I feel like as a band, you know,

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if you if you only have 15 minutes for your set

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You're getting through maybe three songs maybe

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four So like I've been been there since they've

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changed that around but I don't know Ty do you

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have any announcements tied to winter jam? Do

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you want to make it official? Yeah, actually

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Winter Jam sent me a memo this morning that they

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told me I could announce it. I've never been

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to Winter Jam. I'm aware that it exists. That's

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as far as my opinion of it. I think I've been

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once to Winter Jam. I remember this moment where,

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oh goodness, I want to say third day was playing

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and then the guy from Need to Breathe came out

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and did a guest appearance because it was here

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in Charleston. And so he lives here. And so he

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just like popped out and it was like this moment.

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But that's really all I remember. Well, see,

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I remember for like so for us, we we were kind

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of in this bubble of we just had I was explaining

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that the radio station we grew up at, it made

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Caleb look like it was on the cutting edge because

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it was just very this like conservative radio

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friendly one. So when Winter Gym would come,

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it was actually Us getting to see bands that

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were a little more out there. And I remember

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one of the years the lineup was you had Toby

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Mack, Stephanie Smith, Family Force 5, Hawk Nelson.

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So you had a lot of these. A lot of your favorites.

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Yeah. And I think that around 2012, it kind of

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started changing to more of it was only your

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K -Love type artist. Right. So like for me personally,

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back in the day, it was like that was the first

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time I saw Skillet. Remember seeing them on the

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the bill and thinking this must be like a band

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that's just starting out I had no idea how big

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skill it was and then you get there and there's

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fire shooting up and there's Their merch line

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is you know out the door and I'm like, oh, I

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guess I guess they do have some fans You realize

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I've been a band for like 50 years That's funny

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the only thing I've got which I'm personally

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excited about and Brandon we've had a conversation

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about this but MXPX is coming to Charleston next

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March, which is a pretty wild thing. Like we,

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we get some music here, but MXPX probably plays,

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I don't know, maybe 20 shows a year, I'm guessing.

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And I just find it funny that they're coming

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to Charleston, South Carolina, but I'm thrilled

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about it to get to go see them. And so Ty, I'm

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gonna drag Brandon to see MXPX even though he

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has no history with them whatsoever Don't need

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it never really listened to them at all Was that

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a band you have you listened to so I listened

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to MXPX kind of like Occasionally I was never

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I was never like a big MXPX fan like I liked

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them never owned a record You know, I know the

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hits punk rock show What's that one that I play

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the bass line to all the time? Yeah, yeah, yeah

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Yeah I saw them I've seen them twice. I saw them

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once at cornerstone in like oh two maybe or three.

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Yeah, and then And then I saw them in maybe 2018

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with five iron frenzy in Nashville. Come on.

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Yeah It was a great show. It would be a killer

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show. I remember they were doing that tour together

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and I'm like, oh man, that would be so, so much

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fun. It was. Yeah, I believe it. I saw Five Iron,

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you've probably heard me say this on here, but

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I saw Five Iron last year at Furnace Fest and

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that was such a great, such a great show. And

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I think that was the best that I've ever seen

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them and I've seen them tons of times. Yeah,

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they killed it. I mean, I haven't seen them since,

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I guess, 2018, but I guess I've seen them twice

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since they've gotten back together. And both

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shows were just top notch. Yeah, they're so good.

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More to come on that. All right. Well, let's

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talk a little bit about what we've been listening

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to lately in the world of Christian music. So

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anything that you guys have that's caught your

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ear that you spent some time on? I knew for me,

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just to do my research, I've been listening to

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a lot of Joan Zetta. That's not a new thing for

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you. I know we'll dive into it. It's just so

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fascinating how different the two albums are.

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So for me, I love just turning them on and just

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seeing how... I remember years ago, I did an

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interview with Ty. And I made a comment that

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it almost felt like you're listening to a band

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that it's their first and like their 10th release

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but in reality it's like a year maybe in between

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the two releases or so and so for me kind of

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just in the mood like if I want to party I'm

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putting on this one if I want to kind of just

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Reflect and I don't know walk around the fall

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weather. I turn on cruel to be young and yeah,

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that's awesome I'm all reflecting I guess I Feel

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like I feel like the city of Charleston actually

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had a huge influence on cruel to be young really

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Yeah, like we at the time we were writing that

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record Robert was dating a girl that lived there

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and so Robert was spending a ton of time in Charleston

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and Like anytime we weren't on tour like he was

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in Charleston and then we would even We did all

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the photo press stuff for that record in Charleston.

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Interesting. We came up to Charleston for a few

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days and we had this original cover for the record

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that was a photo from, I guess, downtown Charleston,

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but ended up not being the cover. Interesting

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tidbit. That's awesome. Yeah. I love that. Yeah,

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Joan said it's great. I'm glad that you spent

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some more time with them Brandon. That's great.

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For me, something I've been listening to lately,

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a guy named Tyson Motzenbacher just put out his

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new record Modern Worries on tooth and nail.

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Have you ever listened to Tyson, Ty? I haven't,

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but I've heard a lot of people mention him. I've

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kind of been out of Christian music. for like

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listening to it for a long time. Yeah. And so

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but he's he's one person that a lot of people

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that respect their opinion on a lot have mentioned

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him to me. And so I've been meaning to check

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him out. I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

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I think I think you would like him listening

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to him. I'm like he he definitely deals with

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like a lot of faith topics in his music. And

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you can tell he grew up um in the church but

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I don't like I don't have a real solid sense

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of like where where he is with his faith um but

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he asks a lot of really good questions that I

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think are super important for the church to be

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thinking about and asking um and so I there's

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a there's one song on this new record I can't

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remember it's like one of the last it might be

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the last song on the record but it's basically

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a conversation between him and God um about Like

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the state of the church in America. Um, and it's,

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it's a really fascinating song. So I would encourage

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you to check it out, but his stuff's awesome

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and a little all over the place. Really, really

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creative. So it's fun. What about you? Um, yeah,

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I mean, Oh, one artist that might've been John

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Paul Dove that turned me onto him a couple of

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years ago, but Ever since I started listening

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to y 'all's podcasts and I've been sort of revisited

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his stuff is uh, john van doesen. Yeah Um, man,

00:16:00.059 --> 00:16:04.600
he's just so good. Um, and really that origami

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Part two, is that what it's called? Yeah. Yeah.

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And that record is just Unreal, um, and those

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songs are just so so so good Uh, so i've sort

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of been revisiting him a lot lately and then

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um There's a guy at the last church I worked

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at Um, there was a guy on staff with us named

00:16:25.309 --> 00:16:29.269
chris ekis who is um, he's kind of trying to

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break into the The ccm sort of world. Um, and

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his stuff's great. Um, it's not really like My

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thing necessarily. It's a little too ccm for

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me. Yeah, um, but like he is an immensely talented

00:16:43.309 --> 00:16:47.649
dude and uh, he's put out a handful of I think

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just a couple like eps he's put out. Um, and

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they're they're great Some really great songs

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and he's just he's a great dude and a great talent

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for sure. That's cool I'll have to check that

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out. I love that. I love that Alright Brandon,

00:17:01.250 --> 00:17:04.170
it's time. Mm -hmm for you to reveal what this

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Adventure is that we're going on with you. Alright,

00:17:07.089 --> 00:17:09.549
so today I wanted to jump in a time machine.

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Okay to a year called 2005 so we just had the

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The Dove Awards, so I wanted to go back and see

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what it looked like 20 years ago in mainstream

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Christian music. So I printed off here, I've

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got the nominees and the award winners. I'm gonna

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see if you guys can guess who won the awards

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back in 2005. Man, I'm gonna have to confess

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that 2005 was not a year that I was spending

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a lot of time listening to Christian music. I

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was in seminary at this point. but even that

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like Yeah, that was not Yeah, I'm gonna do really

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badly at this. I guess what I'm trying to say

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I feel like this is gonna be a battle to see

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you can do that not worse All right, well you

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give us some categories all right, how are you

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gonna do this? Yeah, let's start with rock album

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of the year. All right Your nominees are day

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of fire by day of fire See a faces by cutlass

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set it off thousand foot crutch They're only

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chasing safety under oath. And where do we go

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from here pillar? So who do you think took home

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Rockham of the year? I've only listened to one

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of those albums. Mm -hmm Wait, what's the last

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one again? Where do we go from here by pillar?

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Yeah So the only album that I've listened to

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off that list is they're only chasing safety

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by under earth Correct, but I somehow doubt that

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the double words gave best rock album see that

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I agree Even though it probably should have deserved

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it So I haven't heard any of those other four

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albums, but I promise you that that under earth

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records better So out of pillar thousand foot

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crutch um day of fire cut i've never even heard

00:19:17.769 --> 00:19:20.029
of day of fire i haven't either that one i've

00:19:20.029 --> 00:19:21.529
never heard of that band have you heard of that

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band no okay at least we're all on the same page

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to be clear i'm not making up any um of the nominees

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um 2005 i guess this is this is post is this

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post jonesetta no this is during the heights

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of jonesetta this is this is before the first

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record came out Really? Holy cow. They had no

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idea what was coming. What month was the Dove

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Awards held? When are we talking? I think it

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would have been fall. Yeah, it would have been

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the fall. Fall. So we were probably finishing

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writing popularity at this point. Ty, did you

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ever play a show with Cutlass, Thousand Foot

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Crutch, or... Day of Fire. Definitely not Day

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of Fire. Under Oath, or who was the other one?

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Pillar. Pillar, yeah. No, we never played with

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any other bands. Actually, we played one show

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with Under Oath one time before they were Under

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Oath. Yeah, I'm gonna go with Thousand Foot Crutch.

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I'm gonna go Cutlass. Your winner is day of fire

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Great they released three or two more albums

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and they've got 25 ,000 monthly listeners on

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Spotify. So what label were they on? I have no

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idea. Cutlass was on I Can't remember what I

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can't remember. Yeah That was not those that

00:21:01.380 --> 00:21:06.380
rock Category was never my rock category time

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Yeah. Next up is Song of the Year. We have Blessed

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Be Your Name, Dare You to Move, Friend of God,

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Glory Defined, Healing Rain, Meant to Live, More,

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Through the Fire, Who Am I, You Raise Me Up.

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There's two Switchwood songs? Yeah. Also not

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to mention to switch with songs that are on a

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record that came out What like three years before

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this? Actually, I think that we talked about

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this on a previous podcast. Did that album come

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out in 2005? I think it might like it came in

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like oh, no not 2005. I think 2004 because usually

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with like what was it oh for it was it had to

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been I I think it was oh three I moved in oh

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three and they they were are that record was

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already out and oh three At some point Yeah,

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I think it was oh three Because they did that

00:22:08.380 --> 00:22:11.079
20th anniversary I felt like that was 23 when

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they did that my version heard that was like

00:22:15.339 --> 00:22:20.119
Yeah, just a couple years ago there Yeah I'm

00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:22.220
guessing you're looking it up. I feel like the

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internet is Debating on this topic. I'm gonna

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go blessed to be the name beautiful letdown came

00:22:29.299 --> 00:22:36.759
out and 2003 yeah That checks out so why two

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years later are we nominated? Oh, I feel like

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that's Kristen. Yeah, that's just Christian music

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for you Blessed be your name is definitely a

00:22:44.500 --> 00:22:48.299
banger I'm just gonna go from my love for switch

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foot Yeah, say dare you to move and the winner

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is who am I back casting crowns? Mmm considering

00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:59.630
our ranker pole I can see how that happened.

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Here's another one. New artist of the year. Barlow

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Girl. Bethany Dillon. Building 429. Day of Fire.

00:23:12.009 --> 00:23:15.750
Matthew West. Day of Fire was just killing it

00:23:15.750 --> 00:23:19.029
at this Devil Wars. They were the next big thing.

00:23:19.589 --> 00:23:22.470
I feel like building 429 was around well before

00:23:22.470 --> 00:23:27.720
that. I kind of thought that too, but... I mean,

00:23:28.099 --> 00:23:30.059
there's a lot of love out there for Matthew West,

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so I'm just gonna go Matthew West. Okay, I'm

00:23:33.619 --> 00:23:35.819
gonna go Day of Fire. I think they took home

00:23:35.819 --> 00:23:40.359
two that year. Building 429. You were so close,

00:23:40.619 --> 00:23:47.200
Todd. Here you go. Group of the Year. Casting

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Crowns. Mercy Me. Salah. Switchfoot. The Crab

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Family. That's such a like broad spectrum of

00:23:58.990 --> 00:24:03.750
musical genres As much as I would want it to

00:24:03.750 --> 00:24:05.910
be switch foot, I'm sure it was either mercy

00:24:05.910 --> 00:24:08.490
me or casting crowns Yeah, I'm gonna go casting

00:24:08.490 --> 00:24:11.869
crowns just based on the the ranker episode There

00:24:11.869 --> 00:24:15.670
you go. Oh, no, was it Casting Crown? Okay. There

00:24:15.670 --> 00:24:19.710
you go. Yeah All right, and then finally who

00:24:19.710 --> 00:24:23.430
took home artist of the year in 2005 casting

00:24:23.430 --> 00:24:30.009
crowns Mercy Me, Michael W. Smith, Ceyla, or

00:24:30.009 --> 00:24:34.190
Switchfoot? So basically the same list, but swapping

00:24:34.190 --> 00:24:36.869
out two people. I'm gonna go for Casting Grounds

00:24:36.869 --> 00:24:39.670
again. Yeah, I'm rolling with Casting Grounds.

00:24:40.190 --> 00:24:42.829
That's my money train. All right, your 2005 Artist

00:24:42.829 --> 00:24:47.250
of the Year is Switchfoot. What? Oh wow. They

00:24:47.250 --> 00:24:52.400
got something right. That's funny. I just thought

00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:57.480
it was interesting, like, seeing how many random

00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:00.400
people popped up. Because I think usually whenever

00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.099
there's nominees, I don't remember really being

00:25:03.099 --> 00:25:06.460
surprised by anyone random from this year's Dev

00:25:06.460 --> 00:25:11.380
Awards. Yeah. Day of Fire really surprised you,

00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:14.140
huh? I'm gonna have to go check their stuff out.

00:25:14.220 --> 00:25:20.480
If they sell my cut, I'm gonna be unhappy. All

00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:25.200
right. Well, let's transition into our conversation

00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:33.680
with Ty. So maybe before we dig into asking Ty

00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.680
questions, Brandon, I feel like this is a great

00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:39.220
opportunity for you and I to share like a little

00:25:39.220 --> 00:25:46.339
bit of our history with Joan Zetta. Yeah. And

00:25:46.339 --> 00:25:48.839
then we can start asking Ty questions. I don't

00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:50.460
know. What do you think? That sounds good to

00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:54.920
me. Yeah, I guess I can go first. There's less

00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:59.940
of a history, but I discovered them off of...

00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:03.059
it was Songs from the Penalty Box, I think number

00:26:03.059 --> 00:26:06.960
five, and I've discovered so many bands from

00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:10.359
that. There was Mute Without You, Starflyer 59,

00:26:10.819 --> 00:26:16.950
Joan Zetta, Children 18 -3, Showbred, There's

00:26:16.950 --> 00:26:19.670
just so many bands I discovered like if I had

00:26:19.670 --> 00:26:24.630
to pinpoint album that probably shaped my um

00:26:24.630 --> 00:26:28.089
like music taste the most it probably would be

00:26:28.089 --> 00:26:32.369
that sampler album and um So I discovered jonesette

00:26:32.369 --> 00:26:35.329
off of that and it started this trend where I

00:26:35.329 --> 00:26:37.910
would find a band get really into them and find

00:26:37.910 --> 00:26:41.289
out that they went a hiatus a year before I found

00:26:41.289 --> 00:26:46.450
them and um So Jones Etta was a band that I would

00:26:46.450 --> 00:26:49.869
like I would tell friends about and be hey you

00:26:49.869 --> 00:26:51.710
got to check out this band it's really cool like

00:26:51.710 --> 00:26:55.430
what they're doing and all and just like like

00:26:55.430 --> 00:26:58.410
them like them and I remember like I would be

00:26:58.410 --> 00:27:01.769
like online late at night just trying to find

00:27:01.769 --> 00:27:03.890
oh is there an interview they did out there or

00:27:03.890 --> 00:27:05.809
like are they coming back or what happened to

00:27:05.809 --> 00:27:10.670
the guys and it led to finally tracking down

00:27:10.670 --> 00:27:14.190
Ty and I was telling the story of someone the

00:27:14.190 --> 00:27:17.410
other day that I remember finally being like,

00:27:17.529 --> 00:27:21.369
I think this is Ty from Jones Etta. And for whatever

00:27:21.369 --> 00:27:23.789
reason, I decided to send an email like at three

00:27:23.789 --> 00:27:26.410
in the morning. I should wait till the morning,

00:27:26.450 --> 00:27:29.630
but there's just this rambling email about like,

00:27:29.890 --> 00:27:32.809
hey, I'm on a journey to find like Ty from Jones

00:27:32.809 --> 00:27:35.509
Etta, like blah, blah, blah, this long email.

00:27:35.819 --> 00:27:38.279
and i think like two days later i receive an

00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.119
email and it's like your quest is complete you

00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:49.500
have found i or that's awesome i love that um

00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:55.039
yeah i for me um i knew tai as a person before

00:27:55.039 --> 00:28:00.740
i knew him as as a guy in jonzetta and so um

00:28:00.740 --> 00:28:04.529
um i yeah i We can maybe get into some of it

00:28:04.529 --> 00:28:07.390
with his story, but, um, it was just super fun

00:28:07.390 --> 00:28:11.549
for me being a guy from Mississippi who was in

00:28:11.549 --> 00:28:17.049
a band in Mississippi, um, trying to like, um,

00:28:17.170 --> 00:28:21.829
help create, um, a music scene, um, in our town

00:28:21.829 --> 00:28:24.690
and be involved in what's happening and, um,

00:28:24.690 --> 00:28:28.470
and see, see other bands start up along the way.

00:28:28.589 --> 00:28:30.690
Jones said it wasn't Ty's first band that he

00:28:30.690 --> 00:28:33.349
was in. And so we'll probably get into that a

00:28:33.349 --> 00:28:36.410
little bit too, but, um, but, um, just getting

00:28:36.410 --> 00:28:38.430
to know him and a lot of the other guys that

00:28:38.430 --> 00:28:42.450
ended up in John setta, um, was super fun along

00:28:42.450 --> 00:28:46.970
the way. And then like, as I was, um, exiting

00:28:46.970 --> 00:28:50.789
kind of that scene and the band that I was in

00:28:50.789 --> 00:28:54.509
and moving, uh, got married, moved away, um,

00:28:54.569 --> 00:28:59.369
to go to school. And, um, and then like all of

00:28:59.369 --> 00:29:02.599
a sudden I began to hear these rumblings. about

00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:05.759
this jonesetta thing that i thought was just

00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.039
not a serious thing at all just kind of like

00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:10.819
a joke all of a sudden i'm like wait what a second

00:29:10.819 --> 00:29:12.839
tooth and nail's having conversations with them

00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.539
and what's going on and then i remember getting

00:29:15.539 --> 00:29:17.980
like there was like some sampler that came are

00:29:17.980 --> 00:29:20.400
you guys released an ep or a sampler or something

00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.079
before that and yeah we released like a four

00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.039
song thing yeah i listened to it and i'm like

00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:31.099
holy cow this is so good And I just I remember

00:29:31.099 --> 00:29:33.980
just like standing back with like just so much

00:29:33.980 --> 00:29:37.339
pride and like when they were able to Accomplish

00:29:37.339 --> 00:29:40.000
and just such a big fan of their music and then

00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:41.960
especially when a cruel to be young came out

00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:47.740
I'm like man. I like I Love this album so much

00:29:47.740 --> 00:29:51.220
And still to this day like listen to it all the

00:29:51.220 --> 00:29:54.720
time And so it's just it's cool for me to be

00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:58.279
able to have a personal connection But Ty, let's

00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:01.380
get kind of into your story a little bit. So

00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:04.839
tell us a little bit about how music entered

00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:07.059
your life and how you became just like a fan

00:30:07.059 --> 00:30:13.539
of music to begin with. Yeah, I mean, I. I don't.

00:30:14.019 --> 00:30:16.240
I feel like growing up, music was just always

00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:22.660
around like. Like my parents, both my parents,

00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:27.609
neither of them really played my dad. Played

00:30:27.609 --> 00:30:31.890
drums kind of but I never really saw him play

00:30:31.890 --> 00:30:35.769
drums But like I just felt like the radio was

00:30:35.769 --> 00:30:38.890
always on when I was a kid. Yeah Now it was always

00:30:38.890 --> 00:30:41.930
on country music like it was my mom was like

00:30:41.930 --> 00:30:44.509
a huge Patsy Klon fan and my dad was a big Elvis

00:30:44.509 --> 00:30:47.910
fan and Willie Nelson Willie Nelson and Elvis

00:30:47.910 --> 00:30:54.210
were his two like guys And so growing up We always

00:30:54.210 --> 00:30:56.950
had the radio on country music. It was either,

00:30:56.950 --> 00:31:02.529
you know, Miss 103 or Catfish 95, the two country

00:31:02.529 --> 00:31:05.029
stations in the Jackson metro area at the time.

00:31:05.069 --> 00:31:08.730
And it was always those two. And so I but I loved

00:31:08.730 --> 00:31:11.210
it. Like, I don't know what it was, but I just

00:31:11.210 --> 00:31:13.609
I've ever since I was just a small child, like

00:31:13.609 --> 00:31:16.309
I felt like a very deep connection to music.

00:31:18.789 --> 00:31:22.410
And yeah. And so I listened to it all the time.

00:31:22.410 --> 00:31:24.470
I would carry around a little boombox with me

00:31:24.470 --> 00:31:27.220
and just Anytime I was outside like I would set

00:31:27.220 --> 00:31:31.220
it down and play radio station and listen and

00:31:31.220 --> 00:31:34.660
and then it and I was just but I was exclusively

00:31:34.660 --> 00:31:38.279
a country music guy until I was in seventh grade

00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:42.740
and I randomly one night came across the music

00:31:42.740 --> 00:31:47.119
video for my own summer by the deftones and it

00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:50.400
like Just shattered my world in the best way

00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:54.539
possible I should remember go. Wow. What is this

00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:57.750
like? this is what I need, I need more of this.

00:31:59.210 --> 00:32:02.150
And so yeah, you know, quickly sort of dove into

00:32:02.150 --> 00:32:04.069
the rock world, abandoned country music almost

00:32:04.069 --> 00:32:09.410
completely. And then a couple of years later,

00:32:10.529 --> 00:32:13.230
I'd become really good friends with a guy named

00:32:13.230 --> 00:32:17.630
Drew Mellon, who you know, Joe. He was the bass

00:32:17.630 --> 00:32:19.799
player for Color Revolt. and is the current bass

00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:21.720
player for my band Don Quixote's Horse. We're

00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:24.660
still really great friends today. But he was

00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:28.779
the first person to sort of introduce me to Christian

00:32:28.779 --> 00:32:34.420
rock stuff. He let me borrow his Tooth and Nail

00:32:34.420 --> 00:32:37.660
VHS tape that he had. It had a bunch of Tooth

00:32:37.660 --> 00:32:40.119
and Nail artists on it. And then he took me to

00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:44.220
my first Christian rock show, which was Groove.

00:32:46.750 --> 00:32:51.250
at First Baptist Church in Clinton. And man like

00:32:51.250 --> 00:32:53.250
it just it became a world that I just became

00:32:53.250 --> 00:32:56.869
obsessed with for sure. I think I was at that

00:32:56.869 --> 00:33:01.569
show. You probably were. You probably were. I

00:33:01.569 --> 00:33:04.750
just I was blown away by Matthew McGee's he had

00:33:04.750 --> 00:33:08.670
like a leopard print flying V and I was like

00:33:08.670 --> 00:33:12.829
that's the coolest guitar I've ever seen. So

00:33:12.829 --> 00:33:15.269
yeah that was That's kind of how it got really

00:33:15.269 --> 00:33:16.809
into music. And then it wasn't long after that

00:33:16.809 --> 00:33:20.630
that I started playing guitar and. Yes, so tell

00:33:20.630 --> 00:33:24.750
us about that then, like how you transition from

00:33:24.750 --> 00:33:28.910
being like a music fan into a musician and how

00:33:28.910 --> 00:33:33.390
that got started for you. Yeah, so my dad bought

00:33:33.390 --> 00:33:37.630
me an acoustic guitar when I was eight and gave

00:33:37.630 --> 00:33:40.329
me it got guitar lessons for me, but it lasted

00:33:40.329 --> 00:33:42.569
like. I don't know, a couple of months maybe.

00:33:42.809 --> 00:33:45.190
And then I was like, I'm eight, I've got better

00:33:45.190 --> 00:33:46.670
things to do than sit in my room and practice

00:33:46.670 --> 00:33:52.490
guitar. And so I put it down. But then kind of

00:33:52.490 --> 00:33:55.569
when I had sort of started delving more to the

00:33:55.569 --> 00:33:59.349
like the rock world in middle school, I became

00:33:59.349 --> 00:34:02.289
interested in playing guitar again. And then

00:34:02.289 --> 00:34:06.170
it was Christmas, Christmas of my ninth grade

00:34:06.170 --> 00:34:10.829
year, my mom bought me this red Epiphone SG for

00:34:10.829 --> 00:34:14.650
Christmas. And then I just became like obsessed

00:34:14.650 --> 00:34:17.510
with playing guitar then. I did it every day

00:34:17.510 --> 00:34:21.929
for three or four hours a day. And then, you

00:34:21.929 --> 00:34:25.329
know, probably seven or eight months later, me

00:34:25.329 --> 00:34:29.449
and Drew decided to start a ska band. And we

00:34:29.449 --> 00:34:33.900
were called Weird Not Ugly. And we were... We

00:34:33.900 --> 00:34:37.280
were exactly what you would imagine a 15 to 16

00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.679
year olds playing Christian Scott sounded like

00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:44.099
And we had a great time though and and that's

00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:46.940
that's how I met Joel was I think it was like

00:34:46.940 --> 00:34:50.820
summer of 2000 and We played a show with Joel's

00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:53.659
band Ransom tree at Woodland Hills Baptist Church

00:34:53.659 --> 00:34:57.300
And that's where I got introduced to Joel and

00:34:57.300 --> 00:34:59.340
his band in his music and then that was like

00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:01.900
another dramatic shift for me because I was like

00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.139
What is this emo stuff? I was like, feeling this.

00:35:08.019 --> 00:35:10.780
And there was like this weird period in our ska

00:35:10.780 --> 00:35:13.780
band where we were like, tried to like, tried

00:35:13.780 --> 00:35:17.679
to figure out how to write ska emo music. It

00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.480
didn't work. It didn't work. Maybe there's something

00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.920
in there. I don't know. It was just funny because

00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:26.699
like we were in a ska band and we didn't want

00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:30.210
to like kick our horn players out. We also just

00:35:30.210 --> 00:35:34.269
we wanted to start playing stuff And we were

00:35:34.269 --> 00:35:36.869
at this weird like thing. We were trying to figure

00:35:36.869 --> 00:35:42.690
out what to do and I Remember we're not ugly

00:35:42.690 --> 00:35:47.050
with a lot of fine fondness So I'm sure you do

00:35:47.050 --> 00:35:50.349
too, but I you know as many as like we all have

00:35:50.349 --> 00:35:54.070
to start somewhere And yeah, yeah story of that

00:35:54.070 --> 00:35:57.409
start being like this huge awesome thing like

00:35:58.430 --> 00:36:01.570
Rarely exists, right? Usually wherever we begin

00:36:01.570 --> 00:36:04.769
is is a humble beginning as it probably should

00:36:04.769 --> 00:36:15.250
be so Yeah began it was terrible But yeah, we

00:36:15.250 --> 00:36:19.429
got okay at some point but y 'all are incredible

00:36:19.429 --> 00:36:24.469
it was a good time good time Actually, yeah,

00:36:24.570 --> 00:36:28.969
we can go and jump into this So I guess we we've

00:36:28.969 --> 00:36:31.190
covered a couple of the questions we had on here

00:36:31.190 --> 00:36:34.550
So I guess we can jump into when did Joan Zetta

00:36:34.550 --> 00:36:37.210
start coming into the picture like after all

00:36:37.210 --> 00:36:41.230
of your success with your emo ska music Yeah,

00:36:41.530 --> 00:36:44.610
success is a strong word It's actually a word.

00:36:44.670 --> 00:36:50.829
I wouldn't use it all actually No, yeah, so probably

00:36:50.829 --> 00:36:54.449
around my senior year of high school our ska

00:36:54.449 --> 00:36:57.099
band sort of dissolved Um, we never officially

00:36:57.099 --> 00:36:58.659
broke up. So I guess we're technically still

00:36:58.659 --> 00:37:02.500
together. Um, that release is still coming. Yeah,

00:37:02.980 --> 00:37:05.239
we do. There is a six song EP that we recorded

00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.619
with Ron Kaiser, um, that I have, um, it's never

00:37:09.619 --> 00:37:11.679
been put out there publicly nor will it ever

00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:15.519
be, but I feel like you like. Probably owe it

00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.820
to friends to share. Yeah, there's there's people

00:37:18.820 --> 00:37:21.400
I could share with for sure. That's a patreon

00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:26.440
exclusive I was putting myself in that category

00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:30.800
Yeah, I feel like I feel like you definitely

00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.539
deserve to hear it because you had to hear us

00:37:33.539 --> 00:37:42.139
live No, so yeah senior year of high school That

00:37:42.139 --> 00:37:44.900
band was just kind of dissolving We couldn't

00:37:44.900 --> 00:37:46.699
figure out how to make the emo Scott thing work.

00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:52.119
And so, uh, we just kind of gave up a Drew joined

00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.280
color revolt, um, who at the time were called

00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:00.000
Fletcher. Um, and then I started playing in another

00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.260
band called citizen youth, which is just like

00:38:02.260 --> 00:38:05.539
a man rock band is the best way I can describe

00:38:05.539 --> 00:38:10.460
it. Um, um, and, and in citizen youth, Robert

00:38:10.460 --> 00:38:12.340
was the drummer, Robert, the singer Jones that

00:38:12.340 --> 00:38:15.920
it was the drummer of citizen youth. And so Robert

00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:18.340
and I formed like a really tight friendship in

00:38:18.340 --> 00:38:25.800
that band. And then through that band, Robert

00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:27.099
just called me one day and he was like, Hey,

00:38:27.099 --> 00:38:29.820
I've got a funny idea. He's like, I want to start

00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:33.260
a band and play a show and break up on stage.

00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.079
And I was like, that's a great idea. And he was

00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:38.280
like, and the funny thing is I'm going to play

00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:40.440
guitar and sing. And I was like, that is funny.

00:38:42.730 --> 00:38:46.349
And he's like, Kyle's in. Kyle, who had been

00:38:46.349 --> 00:38:49.070
in a band with Robert, also previously called

00:38:49.070 --> 00:38:54.190
Median, which were awesome. And he's like, Kyle's

00:38:54.190 --> 00:38:55.949
in to play the other guitar. He's like, but I

00:38:55.949 --> 00:38:58.050
need a bass player. And I was like, I don't really

00:38:58.050 --> 00:39:03.409
play bass, but I would love to do this. And so

00:39:03.409 --> 00:39:05.809
that's how we started. It was a guy named Doug

00:39:05.809 --> 00:39:09.010
on drums. I don't remember where Doug was from.

00:39:09.289 --> 00:39:11.170
I think it was from Terry or something like that.

00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:14.280
Doug, not a real drummer. I was not a real bass

00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.059
player. Robert wasn't a real guitar player. Kyle

00:39:17.059 --> 00:39:18.940
was the only one doing what he was supposed to

00:39:18.940 --> 00:39:24.239
be doing in the band. And yeah, we played that

00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.400
first show. We broke up on stage. It was funny.

00:39:27.739 --> 00:39:31.420
It was a good time. And then a few months later,

00:39:31.539 --> 00:39:35.110
people asked us to play again and we did. And

00:39:35.110 --> 00:39:37.070
it was at that second show that I realized I

00:39:37.070 --> 00:39:39.230
was like, oh, this is way more fun to me than

00:39:39.230 --> 00:39:44.130
my real band, Citizen Youth. So I decided to

00:39:44.130 --> 00:39:48.409
quit Citizen Youth at that point. And then was

00:39:48.409 --> 00:39:51.570
just kind of bandless for a while because I didn't

00:39:51.570 --> 00:39:53.550
because while Jones Etta was a thing, we weren't

00:39:53.550 --> 00:39:56.210
really a thing like we didn't consider ourselves

00:39:56.210 --> 00:39:58.170
to be a real band. The only time we would get

00:39:58.170 --> 00:40:00.269
together and play was if someone asked us to

00:40:00.269 --> 00:40:02.909
play a show. You know, we didn't practice. We

00:40:02.909 --> 00:40:07.349
didn't write songs. um and so I was kind of banalist

00:40:07.349 --> 00:40:12.949
for a while until um until I joined velador for

00:40:12.949 --> 00:40:17.329
about 10 minutes um hey I have a vague memory

00:40:17.329 --> 00:40:24.349
ty of um coming to someone's house that had like

00:40:24.349 --> 00:40:29.969
a room over a garage um does this sound familiar

00:40:29.969 --> 00:40:35.329
did you guys practice like Yeah Yeah, it was

00:40:35.329 --> 00:40:37.610
at Robert's house. Yeah. Okay, so there's a room

00:40:37.610 --> 00:40:39.730
over his garage that we practiced Yeah, we're

00:40:39.730 --> 00:40:42.050
coming to one of your like I think I guess early

00:40:42.050 --> 00:40:44.130
practices or something Like I don't know if it's

00:40:44.130 --> 00:40:46.510
me and was it when Tony was in the band. It probably

00:40:46.510 --> 00:40:51.190
was. Yes Okay, that would make sense. Yeah Yeah

00:40:51.190 --> 00:40:55.769
Yeah, we were probably just Super stoked to have

00:40:55.769 --> 00:40:57.750
Jill Lane's worth in our midst while we were

00:40:57.750 --> 00:41:00.070
practicing Couldn't believe Tony was in our band

00:41:00.070 --> 00:41:04.190
either For a little bit uh that's funny what

00:41:04.190 --> 00:41:06.769
tony was playing keys is that yeah he was playing

00:41:06.769 --> 00:41:09.369
keys that's so awesome he was playing keys and

00:41:09.369 --> 00:41:12.190
had like a he had like a drum machine that he

00:41:12.190 --> 00:41:13.969
would make beats for and he had this sampler

00:41:13.969 --> 00:41:15.710
that he would make these crazy samples for and

00:41:15.710 --> 00:41:20.010
stuff it was awesome we recorded one ep with

00:41:20.010 --> 00:41:22.429
with dan helman tyler when tony was in the band

00:41:22.429 --> 00:41:25.829
yeah that that just never came out um and it

00:41:25.829 --> 00:41:28.150
had it had a very i had the very first version

00:41:28.150 --> 00:41:31.170
of like communicate on there um and a handful

00:41:31.170 --> 00:41:34.570
of other songs that Tony was a part of and more

00:41:34.570 --> 00:41:37.690
things that I'm so sad never came out. I would

00:41:37.690 --> 00:41:39.829
love to hear that too. Like I don't have any

00:41:39.829 --> 00:41:42.369
of that. I don't know that we ever really finished

00:41:42.369 --> 00:41:45.610
it. Yeah. But there is what there's one song

00:41:45.610 --> 00:41:47.650
on there that I feel like Tony had a big hand

00:41:47.650 --> 00:41:49.750
in helping us write called sunshine and spin

00:41:49.750 --> 00:41:53.730
us that had this great like trap beat behind

00:41:53.730 --> 00:41:57.599
it. And I would kill to go back and hear that

00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:01.500
song. It's probably terrible. But my memory of

00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:04.760
it was that it was awesome. And yeah, that's

00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:10.599
cool. I love that. So you guys were beginning

00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.119
to practice, starting to play random shows. When

00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.400
did this become a thing that wasn't like a joke

00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:19.019
anymore, but something that you're committed

00:42:19.019 --> 00:42:23.880
to? Yeah, we started playing more regularly.

00:42:25.869 --> 00:42:28.469
Once Mick Parsons joined our band as a drummer

00:42:28.469 --> 00:42:32.489
We we still didn't practice very much but like

00:42:32.489 --> 00:42:34.409
we started kind of playing around town a lot

00:42:34.409 --> 00:42:39.730
more and We became good friends with the band

00:42:39.730 --> 00:42:43.110
as cities burn Because they would always come

00:42:43.110 --> 00:42:46.449
through town and play shows and so we would always

00:42:46.449 --> 00:42:49.130
just end up on the show with them and so we became

00:42:49.130 --> 00:42:51.329
friends with them and then they got signed to

00:42:51.329 --> 00:42:56.159
tooth and nail and then It was like October of

00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.300
oh for they asked us to come to Louisiana and

00:42:59.300 --> 00:43:03.639
play a show with them And then a show the next

00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:06.039
night in Jackson and we had decided that those

00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:08.199
were gonna be our last two shows like the last

00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:11.880
two Jones other shows Just because I mean like

00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:13.800
we talked about like we didn't take it seriously

00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.980
We were all getting busier with school and whatever

00:43:16.980 --> 00:43:19.300
else, you know So we decided those were gonna

00:43:19.300 --> 00:43:21.940
be our last two shows and then that night in

00:43:21.940 --> 00:43:27.849
Louisiana The first of the two shows ACB made

00:43:27.849 --> 00:43:29.510
their manager who was on tour with them this

00:43:29.510 --> 00:43:33.230
guy named Ryan Rado He was on tour with them

00:43:33.230 --> 00:43:38.010
and they like forced him to watch our set And

00:43:38.010 --> 00:43:41.289
he just he loved us and at the end of the night

00:43:41.289 --> 00:43:44.269
he was like I Think you guys are great. Like

00:43:44.269 --> 00:43:45.949
I want to I want to manage y 'all. I want to

00:43:45.949 --> 00:43:48.510
like help you guys out We're like, I don't know.

00:43:48.829 --> 00:43:55.599
We're planning on breaking up tomorrow It's funny

00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:58.099
because we had like bill that show like as this

00:43:58.099 --> 00:44:00.719
is the last job that a show like, you know, and,

00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:04.800
um, and, but it wasn't, um, and so, yeah, just

00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:06.199
on the way home that night, we were like, I don't

00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.239
know. Should we give this guy a shot? And, um,

00:44:09.500 --> 00:44:11.619
you know, we were maybe, and so the next night

00:44:11.619 --> 00:44:13.719
we were like, all right, man, like, what do you

00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:15.099
need us to do? And he's like, all right, you

00:44:15.099 --> 00:44:16.940
guys get to take some pictures. You got to get

00:44:16.940 --> 00:44:18.480
in my space. You get our start recording some

00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.239
demos. Um, cause we hadn't done any of that.

00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.599
Um, and we're like, oh yeah, yeah, we'll do that.

00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.480
And then like three or four months went by and

00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.699
we hadn't done any of it. He like, he called

00:44:29.699 --> 00:44:31.539
us and was like upset. He was like, what are

00:44:31.539 --> 00:44:33.679
you guys doing? Like, we're like, I don't know.

00:44:33.780 --> 00:44:36.719
We don't know what to do. Like, you know, um,

00:44:36.739 --> 00:44:39.860
and so he got us, uh, he got us set up to go

00:44:39.860 --> 00:44:43.179
to Nashville that spring break of Oh five and

00:44:43.179 --> 00:44:46.780
record that four song EP thing that came out.

00:44:46.780 --> 00:44:48.820
And that became like the demo that we ended up

00:44:48.820 --> 00:44:52.199
shopping around to labels and stuff. Um, And

00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.900
that's really when things kind of just wildly

00:44:55.900 --> 00:45:00.800
took off. You know, I remember getting in offers

00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.460
from record labels after we sent the demos out

00:45:03.460 --> 00:45:05.579
and, you know, tooth and nail being one of them.

00:45:05.699 --> 00:45:08.840
And then it just kind of became apparent by the

00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:13.739
end of that school year, May of 05, that we were

00:45:13.739 --> 00:45:15.960
going to drop out of college and, you know, we

00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:21.800
were going to really do this. And so yeah, that

00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:27.000
was all very wild and very surreal and It kind

00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.820
of hit me Like you asked there was a question

00:45:30.820 --> 00:45:32.699
where you asked like when we know is kind of

00:45:32.699 --> 00:45:36.719
a bigger deal Yeah, and I feel like that summer

00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:41.480
we did our first tour Just around the southeast

00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.860
with a band from Louisiana called Tyler Reed

00:45:44.860 --> 00:45:48.690
And that was great it was a lot of fun But the

00:45:48.690 --> 00:45:53.769
last show of that tour was in Jackson. And we

00:45:53.769 --> 00:45:56.389
had to move venues last minute. And there ended

00:45:56.389 --> 00:45:59.610
up being like 600 people at the show, which was

00:45:59.610 --> 00:46:04.190
just insane. And then I remember like when we

00:46:04.190 --> 00:46:09.010
played Backstabber and like just like everyone

00:46:09.010 --> 00:46:11.929
in the crowd just like screaming it back at us.

00:46:11.989 --> 00:46:15.929
And I was like, oh, wow, this is, I was not prepared

00:46:15.929 --> 00:46:21.369
for this. Yeah, it was just a really crazy moment

00:46:21.369 --> 00:46:28.750
for me. So, yeah. That has to be so surreal just

00:46:28.750 --> 00:46:34.269
going from this moment where you're like, haha,

00:46:34.590 --> 00:46:36.309
like we're doing the same just for the fun of

00:46:36.309 --> 00:46:39.750
it. And then it probably feels like not much

00:46:39.750 --> 00:46:41.769
time goes by and you're standing on a stage in

00:46:41.769 --> 00:46:45.440
front of 6 ,000 or 600 people like. Yelling the

00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:47.519
lyrics back towards you and you're like, how

00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.480
did this happen? Yeah, I mean it was like a matter

00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.440
of like ten months, you know like Ten months

00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.739
from like we're gonna break up tomorrow to like

00:46:56.739 --> 00:46:59.360
that happening and it's just like what is going

00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:03.900
on? You know It was yeah, it was wild absolutely

00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:09.360
wild For sure Well, like I said earlier so popularity

00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.949
and cruel to be young They have very different

00:47:11.949 --> 00:47:15.710
vibes. What was going on behind the scenes creatively

00:47:15.710 --> 00:47:20.250
between those two records? Yeah, I mean a handful

00:47:20.250 --> 00:47:26.289
of things I think The first one being I feel

00:47:26.289 --> 00:47:30.389
like like any artist like your goal is not to

00:47:30.389 --> 00:47:32.710
Produce what you've already produced. Mm -hmm.

00:47:32.849 --> 00:47:35.710
So we knew going into the writing of cruel to

00:47:35.710 --> 00:47:39.380
be young that Whatever we did we didn't want

00:47:39.380 --> 00:47:44.139
to do popularity part two. Mm -hmm And you know,

00:47:44.139 --> 00:47:46.940
it's probably much to the chagrin of Tooth and

00:47:46.940 --> 00:47:48.579
Nail Records I think they would have loved the

00:47:48.579 --> 00:47:52.079
popularity part two But we knew as a band we

00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.280
didn't want to do that. So there's that thing

00:47:54.280 --> 00:48:02.199
also At that time we had changed drummers We

00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:06.309
had we had let Mick go and we had got our friend

00:48:06.309 --> 00:48:10.130
Alex Warren to start playing drums and who was

00:48:10.130 --> 00:48:12.309
a very just a very different drummer than Mick.

00:48:14.090 --> 00:48:17.130
And then we'd also brought on our friend Tyler

00:48:17.130 --> 00:48:20.670
Kemp to play keys and stuff, who was just this

00:48:20.670 --> 00:48:25.730
unreal musician, just a true master of like piano

00:48:25.730 --> 00:48:30.289
and keyboards and stuff like that. And and so

00:48:30.289 --> 00:48:32.309
I think adding both of those dudes to the band

00:48:32.309 --> 00:48:36.159
also really influenced um kind of the direction

00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:40.000
we were going and I don't even know that we had

00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.400
a direction to go it was just we're just gonna

00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:46.380
write songs and see what happens you know at

00:48:46.380 --> 00:48:49.420
the time as a band we were listening to a lot

00:48:49.420 --> 00:48:54.920
of weezer a lot of the beetles a lot of the pixies

00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:57.800
um those are stuff that was just like constantly

00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.860
playing in our van and when we're hanging out

00:49:00.860 --> 00:49:03.880
um and so I feel like I feel like that's just

00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:08.599
kind of what came out of us. Yeah. And we were,

00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:11.099
I mean, from the, from the get -go, we were really

00:49:11.099 --> 00:49:14.260
worried that everyone was going to hate it, that

00:49:14.260 --> 00:49:16.179
Tuthenet was going to hate it just because we,

00:49:16.179 --> 00:49:18.579
we recognized early that like it was a very big

00:49:18.579 --> 00:49:24.039
departure from, from popularity. Yeah. So when

00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:28.619
you make a record like popularity that, that

00:49:28.619 --> 00:49:32.550
captures for you guys, this, I mean, I so I saw

00:49:32.550 --> 00:49:38.289
you on the tooth and nail tour And I I guess

00:49:38.289 --> 00:49:40.889
popularity maybe was it was either like already

00:49:40.889 --> 00:49:43.789
out or I don't think it was out yet. Maybe not

00:49:43.789 --> 00:49:45.429
even out yet at that point. Maybe all I knew

00:49:45.429 --> 00:49:49.309
was the demo But you guys already at that point

00:49:49.309 --> 00:49:51.750
you it's you weren't like the openers openers

00:49:51.750 --> 00:49:54.650
of the show Like tooth and nail was already like

00:49:54.650 --> 00:49:57.389
pushing you up as this thing because they knew

00:49:57.389 --> 00:49:59.809
they knew what was coming They pushed us hard.

00:49:59.809 --> 00:50:04.079
Yeah um and so and they're like i don't know

00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:06.360
the the killers are hot right now or whatever

00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:10.679
so like um but for them like this is this huge

00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:14.380
thing that nobody nobody in the christian music

00:50:14.380 --> 00:50:18.320
industry or nobody in like our neck of the woods

00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:22.239
like has made anything like this um and it's

00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:26.920
true like um popularity was such a unique like

00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:30.699
creative record it earned you guys um a lot of

00:50:30.699 --> 00:50:33.460
backing from this label. I think I heard at some

00:50:33.460 --> 00:50:36.539
point that like your tooth and nail deal was

00:50:36.539 --> 00:50:38.539
like the biggest deal they had ever given to

00:50:38.539 --> 00:50:40.360
an artist. I don't know if that's true or if

00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.320
it's just something that at the time it was the

00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.260
biggest deal they'd ever given to a new artist.

00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:49.360
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It's pretty wild. And so he's

00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.739
got all this label support. You have this massive

00:50:51.739 --> 00:50:55.739
fan base. I've never musically been in a position

00:50:55.739 --> 00:50:58.420
like that. So I can't imagine what it's like

00:50:58.420 --> 00:51:01.880
to like make a follow up. And so I can see where

00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:05.079
like you're, you're probably feeling like, man,

00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:06.719
I don't know. I don't know how anybody's going

00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.159
to take this thing, but I would imagine too,

00:51:09.179 --> 00:51:11.179
at the same time, there's like part of you that's

00:51:11.179 --> 00:51:14.420
probably like, we love this a lot and are really

00:51:14.420 --> 00:51:17.039
proud of it. Like how did those two emotions

00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:20.639
kind of like battle each other? Yeah. I mean,

00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:26.170
I think I looking back on popularity like I am

00:51:26.170 --> 00:51:30.590
very proud of it and And I think we all are very

00:51:30.590 --> 00:51:38.469
proud of it But at that time we essentially Had

00:51:38.469 --> 00:51:45.050
been on the road playing those songs For like

00:51:45.050 --> 00:51:47.289
almost two years straight at the time. We started

00:51:47.289 --> 00:51:51.230
writing cruel to be young and so in that moment

00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:55.840
We were we were very sick of popularity and we're

00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:02.059
like the last thing we want to do is dance And

00:52:02.059 --> 00:52:06.380
so yeah, but Yeah, I think I think I think at

00:52:06.380 --> 00:52:09.559
the time we were a little more We kind of turned

00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:11.760
our nose up at popularity a little more like

00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:16.539
in that moment And so I don't know that it was

00:52:16.539 --> 00:52:20.159
that hard to want to shift away from that for

00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:24.869
us Yeah, then it is your question. Yeah for sure

00:52:24.869 --> 00:52:30.989
So so then you make this record cruel to be young

00:52:30.989 --> 00:52:34.210
which I think I've already said it's one of my

00:52:34.210 --> 00:52:38.489
favorite records and And I just I love everything

00:52:38.489 --> 00:52:40.889
about it. I don't know how you pulled off getting

00:52:40.889 --> 00:52:43.690
design on there and I mean, there's just I don't

00:52:43.690 --> 00:52:46.690
either There's so many great things about that

00:52:46.690 --> 00:52:50.690
album But yeah, so as you're as you're putting

00:52:50.690 --> 00:52:53.250
that album out and then you're like, what was

00:52:53.250 --> 00:52:58.909
it like feeling about how people are receiving

00:52:58.909 --> 00:53:02.570
this and the labels receiving it? Like you said,

00:53:02.570 --> 00:53:05.369
you guys were nervous, but as it as things started

00:53:05.369 --> 00:53:07.949
coming in, like how are you feeling about that?

00:53:09.190 --> 00:53:16.769
It was it was a really weird time because. I

00:53:16.769 --> 00:53:20.130
think we were extremely happy with the record.

00:53:22.210 --> 00:53:25.849
I think Aaron Sprinkle, who produced it, was

00:53:25.849 --> 00:53:30.269
extremely happy with the record. Randy Torres,

00:53:30.369 --> 00:53:32.710
the guy that engineered it, who was the guitar

00:53:32.710 --> 00:53:36.570
player for Project 86, he was also a big fan

00:53:36.570 --> 00:53:40.869
of it. The six of us loved or the seven of us

00:53:40.869 --> 00:53:47.650
loved it. Outside of that, we I mean, we just

00:53:47.650 --> 00:53:52.590
weren't getting great feedback. When we first

00:53:52.590 --> 00:53:54.769
demoed those songs out and we sent them to our

00:53:54.769 --> 00:53:59.130
managers, it wasn't like, hey, these are cool

00:53:59.130 --> 00:54:02.190
songs. It was just, why does it sound like this?

00:54:03.250 --> 00:54:05.389
It was like all the emails said, why does it

00:54:05.389 --> 00:54:12.969
sound like this? And then I feel like we got

00:54:12.969 --> 00:54:15.969
a similar sort of response from Tooth and Nail.

00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:21.780
which kudos to them for allowing us to make it

00:54:21.780 --> 00:54:24.019
and not being like, oh, you guys need to go make

00:54:24.019 --> 00:54:29.300
a different record. But also they were not stoked

00:54:29.300 --> 00:54:35.219
on it. And so it was a very weird time in the

00:54:35.219 --> 00:54:39.400
band because here's this record that we were

00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:44.420
stoked on and we thought was really good. I remember

00:54:44.420 --> 00:54:47.039
getting like the rough mixes back for the record

00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.380
and we're listening to them and then like texting

00:54:50.380 --> 00:54:53.019
Robert being like I think we did something really

00:54:53.019 --> 00:54:55.739
cool here you know and he was like yeah I think

00:54:55.739 --> 00:55:01.420
so too um and so yeah it was so it was kind of

00:55:01.420 --> 00:55:05.079
it was hard to to exist in a space where like

00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.320
you had something that you really believed in

00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:11.000
and you were really happy with and to have your

00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:17.110
team not sort of Reciprocate that Because they

00:55:17.110 --> 00:55:20.150
had always had been before you know, like We

00:55:20.150 --> 00:55:22.250
would you know, we were stoked on popularity

00:55:22.250 --> 00:55:24.449
and then to the nail was also really stoked on

00:55:24.449 --> 00:55:28.329
popularity. Yeah, and so It was this weird thing.

00:55:28.369 --> 00:55:31.469
We're like, oh, you don't like us anymore, you

00:55:31.469 --> 00:55:33.610
know, like and we don't really know what to do

00:55:33.610 --> 00:55:37.010
about it Type Bob. I don't know. It was it was

00:55:37.010 --> 00:55:41.030
a very bizarre time for sure. Yeah How did that

00:55:41.030 --> 00:55:48.590
so? Maybe. How did those kinds of feelings and

00:55:48.590 --> 00:55:51.590
that kind of reception and everything like did

00:55:51.590 --> 00:55:55.050
that feed into what became like the the end of

00:55:55.050 --> 00:55:57.349
Joan Zetta? Like, how did all that come about?

00:55:57.550 --> 00:56:02.650
And it's kind of 100 percent. Yeah, I mean. I

00:56:02.650 --> 00:56:05.610
mean, less probably like a month after the record

00:56:05.610 --> 00:56:10.590
came out, like we we decided to break up and.

00:56:11.199 --> 00:56:13.099
Yeah, I think that had a lot to do with it. I

00:56:13.099 --> 00:56:19.940
think just this You know, there was always this

00:56:19.940 --> 00:56:25.800
thought of like When you're on a label like Tooth

00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:28.960
and Nail like the the sort of plan is you put

00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:32.519
out a record your first record and you know,

00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:36.920
hopefully it does fine and then You know you

00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:39.480
want when you put out your second record You

00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:42.019
want the first week sales of that record to be

00:56:42.019 --> 00:56:44.300
more than the first week sales of your first

00:56:44.300 --> 00:56:50.320
record. Yeah. And so that was always what we

00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:55.719
wanted to happen. And then we would hear bands

00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:58.900
on the label that didn't happen. Or we would

00:56:58.900 --> 00:57:01.960
hear bands where their first week sales for their

00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:03.599
second record was the same as their first week

00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:05.099
sales for their first record. And we'd be like,

00:57:05.139 --> 00:57:09.710
oh, man, that must be a bummer. and then Crota

00:57:09.710 --> 00:57:12.710
B Young comes out and the first week sales of

00:57:12.710 --> 00:57:16.389
it are like a quarter of popularity like and

00:57:16.389 --> 00:57:20.630
we're like oh man this is really bad um and so

00:57:20.630 --> 00:57:25.250
that felt bad um especially since you know the

00:57:25.250 --> 00:57:28.710
label puts so much emphasis on record sales and

00:57:28.710 --> 00:57:31.610
you know they're a business they're supposed

00:57:31.610 --> 00:57:34.829
to make money um and so when we don't sell records

00:57:34.829 --> 00:57:39.099
they don't make money and so but Like it just

00:57:39.099 --> 00:57:42.800
it felt weird to you know for like two years

00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:46.280
feel like you're on this meteoric rise and Then

00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:50.739
to just drop off a cliff real quick was a weird

00:57:50.739 --> 00:57:54.760
spot and it was very deflating and then we were

00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:58.000
just We weren't getting we didn't feel like we

00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:01.699
were getting good tours that we wanted to do

00:58:01.699 --> 00:58:05.530
and so a lot of that was just You know, it's

00:58:05.530 --> 00:58:07.610
this very sort of overwhelming feeling of like

00:58:07.610 --> 00:58:09.110
we're just kind of spinning our tires in the

00:58:09.110 --> 00:58:12.610
mud and we're trying really hard, but we're not

00:58:12.610 --> 00:58:19.190
going anywhere. And I think that that definitely

00:58:19.190 --> 00:58:25.230
played into us deciding to call it quits. You

00:58:25.230 --> 00:58:29.789
know, for for almost four years, like we were

00:58:29.789 --> 00:58:33.610
just on tour. Constantly and if we weren't on

00:58:33.610 --> 00:58:35.690
tour we were writing and we're in recording,

00:58:35.710 --> 00:58:40.170
you know so I think burnout had it had a bit

00:58:40.170 --> 00:58:43.710
to play in there too, but just yeah, it was just

00:58:43.710 --> 00:58:48.110
like Looking back, you know at the last four

00:58:48.110 --> 00:58:51.489
years and and being like Well, where where we

00:58:51.489 --> 00:58:55.309
gotten, you know? Looked like we were going somewhere

00:58:55.309 --> 00:58:57.449
and then all of a sudden we're not going anywhere

00:58:57.449 --> 00:59:00.369
and now it feels like we're going backwards and

00:59:00.369 --> 00:59:03.539
so I think that was one of the factors in us

00:59:03.539 --> 00:59:06.519
deciding to call it quits, for sure. Well, I

00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.980
hope you guys know, and maybe in retrospect,

00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:12.780
this exists more than it felt in the moment.

00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:17.460
But from my perspective and a lot of people that

00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:22.119
I know that love Jonesetta, their favorite Jonesetta

00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:26.739
record is Cruel to Be Young. And so I think...

00:59:27.670 --> 00:59:31.030
think there is so much love for that album and

00:59:31.030 --> 00:59:34.469
I think that It gets lost probably in the hype

00:59:34.469 --> 00:59:37.489
of record sales and all this other kind of stuff

00:59:37.489 --> 00:59:41.570
that exists But I actually think like like time

00:59:41.570 --> 00:59:44.489
probably tells a different story of like how

00:59:44.489 --> 00:59:49.730
people actually like felt about that So I think

00:59:49.730 --> 00:59:51.750
I sent you guys a message after I heard that

00:59:51.750 --> 00:59:54.800
album And I'm just like, I don't even believe

00:59:54.800 --> 01:00:02.840
that this exists. But yeah, it's such a great

01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:06.679
album. And I hate that just the reception kind

01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:09.199
of led to like a lot of that for you guys kind

01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:12.639
of immediately. But I can't imagine the feelings

01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.579
that you had to be feeling kind of walking through

01:00:14.579 --> 01:00:19.309
that. Yeah. I mean, I think Well, I appreciate

01:00:19.309 --> 01:00:21.670
you saying all that but to I do think time has

01:00:21.670 --> 01:00:25.789
sort of like Validated our feelings about that

01:00:25.789 --> 01:00:29.550
record more. Yeah, I think people have Said things

01:00:29.550 --> 01:00:33.750
to us about it that makes me go. Okay, we weren't

01:00:33.750 --> 01:00:36.469
crazy when we thought that this was a good record,

01:00:36.469 --> 01:00:41.269
you know Yeah, it definitely feels better And

01:00:41.269 --> 01:00:43.369
I don't even know that like had the reception

01:00:43.369 --> 01:00:46.050
been good. I don't know that that would have

01:00:46.050 --> 01:00:50.079
changed What happened, you know, yeah, because

01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:53.940
there are a lot of other factors at play That

01:00:53.940 --> 01:01:00.880
led to our breakup so yeah So after Jones that

01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:04.559
you move into Don Quixote's horse Can you tell

01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:08.380
us a little bit about how that got started? And

01:01:08.380 --> 01:01:10.739
what's your plans for the next year or two? Do

01:01:10.739 --> 01:01:13.679
you have a two -year plan five -year plan? 50

01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:18.309
-year plan Yeah In five years, we'd want to be

01:01:18.309 --> 01:01:22.309
the first band to play on the moon No, no, I

01:01:22.309 --> 01:01:26.250
mean Don Quixote's horse started Well, well,

01:01:26.250 --> 01:01:28.929
well after John Zetta for about 11 years after

01:01:28.929 --> 01:01:32.889
John Zetta broke up But it was yeah. I mean,

01:01:32.889 --> 01:01:38.210
you know, I never stopped playing music Pretty

01:01:38.210 --> 01:01:41.030
much as soon as we broke up I moved to Memphis

01:01:41.030 --> 01:01:43.730
and became a worship pastor at a church there

01:01:43.730 --> 01:01:50.599
and Did that for a long time and then in probably

01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:55.960
2019 I Don't know I was in this like weird place

01:01:55.960 --> 01:02:00.380
where all I'd been playing for a Handful of years

01:02:00.380 --> 01:02:02.900
at that point was worship music. Yeah, and I

01:02:02.900 --> 01:02:07.920
sort of felt like Like the creative side of me

01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:12.000
is was Gone like I like I used to think like

01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.719
oh I used to be creative like that was like something

01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:19.019
I believed about myself I don't know what happened

01:02:19.019 --> 01:02:24.820
but I think I just I Was like I'm gonna try to

01:02:24.820 --> 01:02:27.340
tap into creativity again, like try to see if

01:02:27.340 --> 01:02:33.159
I can make something And so I ended up just writing

01:02:33.159 --> 01:02:36.989
a song that's just It's on our first EP. It's

01:02:36.989 --> 01:02:41.110
called trust. It was the first song I wrote And

01:02:41.110 --> 01:02:44.929
it's really a sad song But it was the first time

01:02:44.929 --> 01:02:47.050
I'd sort of tried to write a song from the perspective

01:02:47.050 --> 01:02:53.030
of someone else And so I wrote it and I thought

01:02:53.030 --> 01:02:57.909
it was kind of cool and then My friend Jason

01:02:57.909 --> 01:03:00.389
who's the drummer of our band was coming down

01:03:00.389 --> 01:03:03.309
to visit me at this point I'd moved back to Mississippi

01:03:04.059 --> 01:03:05.519
Um, and he was going to come down to visit me

01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:07.880
for the weekend and he played drums and I was

01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:10.500
like, Hey, bring your drums. I got this song.

01:03:11.099 --> 01:03:13.039
Um, I was like, Drew can come over and I got

01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.099
the song and we're going to kind of jam on it

01:03:15.099 --> 01:03:17.579
and see, see if we can make something with it.

01:03:17.900 --> 01:03:19.460
And so, yeah, that's what happened. Like Drew

01:03:19.460 --> 01:03:23.420
came over, the three of us kind of. Hammered

01:03:23.420 --> 01:03:25.360
it out that song and we're like, Oh, this is

01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:29.059
kind of cool and kind of fun. And Jason was like,

01:03:29.059 --> 01:03:32.079
we should play a show. And I was like, I was

01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:34.469
like, we only have a song. And I was like, if

01:03:34.469 --> 01:03:36.530
we're going to play a show, that means I have

01:03:36.530 --> 01:03:40.449
to write at least four more songs. And I was

01:03:40.449 --> 01:03:42.309
like, I don't even know if I can do that. I don't

01:03:42.309 --> 01:03:49.210
know if I can write four more songs. But yeah,

01:03:49.590 --> 01:03:51.869
that kind of progressed from there. We started

01:03:51.869 --> 01:03:55.530
getting together more regularly. I knew I wanted

01:03:55.530 --> 01:03:58.829
a second guitar player. And so I asked Robert

01:03:58.829 --> 01:04:03.139
to join as another guitar player. and he was

01:04:03.139 --> 01:04:08.860
in the band for a while. And then he kind of,

01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:12.320
I don't know, we didn't kick him out and he didn't

01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:16.039
quit. We just kind of, I don't know, it just

01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:17.539
seemed like something he wasn't really interested

01:04:17.539 --> 01:04:19.340
in doing. And so I didn't want to make him do

01:04:19.340 --> 01:04:21.280
anything that he wasn't interested in doing.

01:04:22.420 --> 01:04:25.699
And a little bit before that, like we had brought

01:04:25.699 --> 01:04:29.400
my friend Tucker on as a third guitarist. And

01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:32.739
so Robert kind of left and then It just came,

01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:34.860
Drew and Jason and Tucker and I, and that's how

01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:37.579
it's been since then. I was able to write a few

01:04:37.579 --> 01:04:40.880
more songs. You know, we've played some shows

01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:45.480
and it's been fun. I don't know what our plans

01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:48.460
for the future are. You know, we have a new single

01:04:48.460 --> 01:04:53.579
coming out tomorrow, which is November 4th. I

01:04:53.579 --> 01:04:56.199
don't know when this is coming out. So if it's

01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:58.059
past November 4th, which I'm assuming it will

01:04:58.059 --> 01:05:01.760
be, but not much. Yeah. You can go listen to

01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:06.320
it somewhere on streaming platforms. Yeah, you

01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.440
know, it's just it's something that we do for

01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:13.320
fun. Like we all are married and have kids and

01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:17.360
have real jobs. And and so those things are our

01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:22.119
priorities. But it's fun to get together every

01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:26.260
six or seven weeks and play a show or. Work on

01:05:26.260 --> 01:05:28.139
some new songs or something like that. And so

01:05:28.139 --> 01:05:29.980
that's kind of the plans. Like we're just gonna

01:05:29.980 --> 01:05:34.780
keep doing this until We don't you know, it's

01:05:34.780 --> 01:05:38.619
funny like I've It's nowhere near my most successful

01:05:38.619 --> 01:05:40.980
band, but it is the band that I've been in the

01:05:40.980 --> 01:05:43.800
longest Of all the bands have been it. This is

01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:45.760
the one I've been in the longest is on q2 sports

01:05:46.860 --> 01:05:48.980
It's interesting. They're releasing a single

01:05:48.980 --> 01:05:51.440
tomorrow and winter jams releasing their stuff.

01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:58.739
So Hello Easter egg there I'm just knowing y

01:05:58.739 --> 01:06:01.840
'all's music and what winter jam has become I

01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:04.360
feel like that would be such a like they'd be

01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:07.159
thrown for a loop like if the you just started

01:06:07.159 --> 01:06:09.400
to see hearing like Don Quixote's horse and they're

01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:11.900
expecting it to be like new song and like Matthew

01:06:11.900 --> 01:06:15.800
West and then it's like I would also think winter

01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:18.159
jam is probably really gonna hate this new song

01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:27.019
that comes out tomorrow. I can't imagine how

01:06:27.019 --> 01:06:32.239
cool it is for you just to be like at this point

01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:34.940
in your life but still occasionally being able

01:06:34.940 --> 01:06:38.360
to pick up a guitar and just play music and make

01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:41.619
music with your friends. many of you the best

01:06:41.619 --> 01:06:43.320
thing in the world man you've been playing music

01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:47.780
with for like your whole musical career 100 yeah

01:06:47.780 --> 01:06:52.480
drew and i uh drew and i've been you know in

01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:55.440
bands together since we were 15 years old and

01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:58.079
here we are we're 42 and you know still doing

01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:02.039
it and it's so much fun i love that and i can

01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:04.099
only imagine a little bit of what it feels like

01:07:04.099 --> 01:07:08.769
but i can um quick story really quick uh It's

01:07:08.769 --> 01:07:12.889
been a few years ago at Christmas time. My wife

01:07:12.889 --> 01:07:16.369
surprised me by we were home for Christmas and

01:07:16.369 --> 01:07:19.730
she randomly took me to this place in Clinton,

01:07:19.889 --> 01:07:21.889
Mississippi. I had no idea where we are. And

01:07:21.889 --> 01:07:23.789
she was like, go to the front door. And I'm like,

01:07:23.909 --> 01:07:30.849
okay. And so I did. And it was Ty's house. And

01:07:30.849 --> 01:07:35.210
I walk in and my band was all there and Ty hosted.

01:07:35.420 --> 01:07:37.840
Us being able to kind of get back together and

01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:39.760
play some music that we haven't played together

01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.860
in years And that's so awesome. It was such a

01:07:42.860 --> 01:07:45.880
great experience And so I would love to like

01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:48.099
have that same kind of thing that that like you're

01:07:48.099 --> 01:07:50.400
you're getting to experience with with drew But

01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:52.739
um, but I think it's just so awesome that you

01:07:52.739 --> 01:07:54.280
still get to do this and that you're still making

01:07:54.280 --> 01:07:57.500
music man It really is a blessing man. Like it's

01:07:57.500 --> 01:08:03.820
it is um It's it's always fun Like because there's

01:08:03.820 --> 01:08:07.570
no need for it to be anything But that it's great.

01:08:08.170 --> 01:08:13.610
Yeah, that's so cool. So now kind of looking

01:08:13.610 --> 01:08:17.689
back on everything that you have experienced,

01:08:19.130 --> 01:08:22.989
you got to play shows with some pretty cool bands

01:08:22.989 --> 01:08:25.710
over time and tour with some bands like who are

01:08:25.710 --> 01:08:28.710
who are some of your favorites, favorite shows

01:08:28.710 --> 01:08:30.850
that you're able to play and artists that you're

01:08:30.850 --> 01:08:35.069
able to play with? Man, um, I mean like the first

01:08:35.069 --> 01:08:37.829
one that jumps out to me is we got to play this

01:08:37.829 --> 01:08:43.350
festival in New Zealand called parachute we played

01:08:43.350 --> 01:08:45.470
on the main stage one night right before switch

01:08:45.470 --> 01:08:52.189
foot and it's like 20 ,000 people and just Insane,

01:08:52.430 --> 01:08:54.670
you know, that's all like every moment of that

01:08:54.670 --> 01:08:57.229
set. It was like I can't believe this is happening

01:08:57.229 --> 01:09:02.229
Funny story about that right after our set like

01:09:02.229 --> 01:09:05.270
we all rush off stage and we're just out of breath

01:09:05.270 --> 01:09:08.229
like we you know gave it 110 left it all out

01:09:08.229 --> 01:09:12.670
on the court type thing um and like i walk over

01:09:12.670 --> 01:09:16.050
side stage and i see this set of road cases there

01:09:16.050 --> 01:09:20.170
and i just um it switched foot road cases but

01:09:20.170 --> 01:09:21.710
i was like i gotta find a place to sit down and

01:09:21.710 --> 01:09:24.750
so i just hop up on top of the road cases i'm

01:09:24.750 --> 01:09:26.829
just sitting there trying to catch my breath

01:09:26.829 --> 01:09:29.670
and then out of the corner of my eye john foreman

01:09:29.670 --> 01:09:32.600
comes walking up to me And I was like, I was

01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:33.739
like, oh, he's going to ask me to go out with

01:09:33.739 --> 01:09:35.420
the road cases. And I was like, that's fine.

01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:37.340
And so I like, I like, as he walks up to me,

01:09:37.340 --> 01:09:39.899
I jumped down and he just goes, Hey man, I just

01:09:39.899 --> 01:09:41.539
want to say that was a really great set. You

01:09:41.539 --> 01:09:45.880
guys played. And I was like, what? Thank you

01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:48.319
so much. Like that's the coolest thing. And then

01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:50.140
they like invited us to go surfing with them

01:09:50.140 --> 01:09:55.229
the next morning. But we didn't go Because we

01:09:55.229 --> 01:09:56.949
had tried surfing the day before and we were

01:09:56.949 --> 01:09:59.630
all really terrible at it And then and they wanted

01:09:59.630 --> 01:10:01.670
to go at like 4 30 in the morning. We're like,

01:10:01.789 --> 01:10:06.630
yeah, we're not doing that Yeah, they are they

01:10:06.630 --> 01:10:10.250
love surfing but that was like such a cool moment

01:10:10.250 --> 01:10:13.489
That showed just like everything around that

01:10:13.489 --> 01:10:15.329
whole experience that tripped in New Zealand

01:10:15.329 --> 01:10:20.189
was just like perfect I love that and then yeah

01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:25.399
you know my favorite tours we did uh probably

01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:26.920
my favorite tour we did was when we did with

01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:29.159
that city's burning mailing and the sons of disaster

01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:32.760
which was a very weird tour for us musically

01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:35.380
because those are two like pretty heavy bands

01:10:35.380 --> 01:10:38.060
and we're not heavy and i think a lot of the

01:10:38.060 --> 01:10:42.340
shows on that tour the kids hated us um because

01:10:42.340 --> 01:10:43.840
they didn't know what to do with us and with

01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:48.460
our music um but Just like the hangs with those

01:10:48.460 --> 01:10:50.800
two bands were like the best like I just loved

01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:53.619
hanging with those dudes It was a lot of fun.

01:10:53.819 --> 01:10:58.880
Yeah, I remember I think it was did y 'all do

01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:01.439
a Christmas pageant tour with family force 5

01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:03.539
or do y 'all just do like a regular tour with

01:11:03.539 --> 01:11:05.380
we just did a regular tour with family force

01:11:05.380 --> 01:11:09.300
5 in the fall of 07 thing is called the dance

01:11:09.300 --> 01:11:14.479
or our dance tour. Mm -hmm Yeah, it was us and

01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:17.960
Family Force 5 and Secret Handshake. Lots of

01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:22.460
dancing. That was the last tour we did before

01:11:22.460 --> 01:11:25.680
we started writing Quill to Be Young. And so

01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:28.140
on that tour, it was lots of dancing, but we

01:11:28.140 --> 01:11:34.300
were also like sick of dancing. So, yeah, there

01:11:34.300 --> 01:11:36.260
you go. Like, we found some inside information.

01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:39.539
It was the Family Force 5 tour that's responsible

01:11:39.539 --> 01:11:45.800
for Cruel to Peer. Directly responsible. You

01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:47.979
know, you mentioned Switchfoot a while ago, and

01:11:47.979 --> 01:11:50.420
I think that something y 'all have in common

01:11:50.420 --> 01:11:53.539
is having to navigate this tension between being

01:11:53.539 --> 01:11:56.359
labeled a Christian band versus being a band

01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:00.539
made up of Christians. So for y 'all, how did

01:12:00.539 --> 01:12:03.770
you navigate that? I don't know probably not

01:12:03.770 --> 01:12:10.670
well I'm not sure like, you know, of course Lyrically

01:12:10.670 --> 01:12:13.810
Jones that it was never explicitly Christian

01:12:13.810 --> 01:12:17.649
I would say but we were definitely all Christians

01:12:17.649 --> 01:12:22.430
and you know, I don't know that we I Don't know

01:12:22.430 --> 01:12:24.510
that we had a problem with the label of a Christian

01:12:24.510 --> 01:12:27.310
band But I also don't know that we necessarily

01:12:27.310 --> 01:12:33.920
welcomed it But Yeah, I don't know like I feel

01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:40.300
like our we saw our duty as Christians to be

01:12:40.300 --> 01:12:44.539
more Towards the bands we were touring with because

01:12:44.539 --> 01:12:48.079
we didn't do a lot of Christian tours, you know

01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:51.279
We did a lot of general market and sort of secular

01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:53.359
tours a lot of the bands we toward we didn't

01:12:53.359 --> 01:12:57.880
toward a lot of Christian bands and so that's

01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:01.409
kind of if If you wanted to call it a ministry,

01:13:01.750 --> 01:13:03.729
like I think we saw our ministries being towards

01:13:03.729 --> 01:13:05.949
those bands that we were touring with and not

01:13:05.949 --> 01:13:08.729
so much to the people coming to the shows at

01:13:08.729 --> 01:13:11.029
night. Of course, like, you know, we wanted to

01:13:11.029 --> 01:13:15.770
be available and and we wanted to talk with kids

01:13:15.770 --> 01:13:17.909
and hang out with kids and stuff as much as we

01:13:17.909 --> 01:13:21.770
could. But it's funny, I don't have to bring

01:13:21.770 --> 01:13:26.390
up the Family Force V tour again, but like. That

01:13:26.390 --> 01:13:30.840
was one of the like. only like explicitly Christian

01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:34.159
tours we did and and that like played like churches

01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:38.100
and stuff sometimes mm -hmm and that was like

01:13:38.100 --> 01:13:40.619
a lot of the the Christian stuff around that

01:13:40.619 --> 01:13:43.699
was like my least favorite part of any touring

01:13:43.699 --> 01:13:48.060
we did I remember I remember specifically an

01:13:48.060 --> 01:13:54.899
incident in Oregon where Some guys saw us play

01:13:54.899 --> 01:13:58.399
and he came up to our merch table up to the show

01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:03.180
and was wanting to read the lyrics to our songs

01:14:03.180 --> 01:14:07.460
in popularity. He came up to our merch guys,

01:14:07.619 --> 01:14:11.239
a guy named Ryan Carter, and he was like, hey,

01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:14.479
can I look at the lyrics to these songs? I want

01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:17.300
to see how much they talk about Jesus and stuff

01:14:17.300 --> 01:14:20.779
like that. And Carter being... the good merch

01:14:20.779 --> 01:14:22.920
guy was he's like, yeah, CDs are 10 bucks. You

01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:26.300
can buy one and like, you know, look at the lyrics

01:14:26.300 --> 01:14:28.399
to your heart's content because we didn't have

01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:30.760
any like open, you know? Yeah. And so the guy

01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:32.420
was like, he's like, no, just open one up and

01:14:32.420 --> 01:14:35.659
like, let me look at them. And Carter was like,

01:14:35.659 --> 01:14:38.000
I'm just I'm not going to do that. Like, you

01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:39.960
know, like you can buy one. They're 10 bucks.

01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:43.180
And the guy got kind of like irate with Carter

01:14:43.180 --> 01:14:47.060
and like, I think kind of yelled at him. And

01:14:47.060 --> 01:14:49.369
so. And so then like a few minutes later, Carter

01:14:49.369 --> 01:14:50.850
came and got me and he was like, Hey, there's

01:14:50.850 --> 01:14:53.130
this guy out here and he's pretty upset because

01:14:53.130 --> 01:14:55.210
I won't let him look at the lyrics to the songs.

01:14:55.229 --> 01:14:56.449
Do you want to come talk to him? I was like,

01:14:56.489 --> 01:14:59.430
sure. I'll come talk to him. And, um, you know,

01:15:00.310 --> 01:15:01.789
and I came out and talked to him and, you know,

01:15:01.810 --> 01:15:04.609
he just immediately like started going in on

01:15:04.609 --> 01:15:07.109
me for like us, like abusing our platform that

01:15:07.109 --> 01:15:09.810
we've been given. You know, you know, he's like,

01:15:09.810 --> 01:15:11.529
I saw you guys up there playing and you know,

01:15:11.529 --> 01:15:14.449
you didn't say anything about Jesus and all this

01:15:14.449 --> 01:15:19.640
stuff. And Don't know. I just like I had to like

01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:21.300
Calm him down. And then I was like look man.

01:15:21.300 --> 01:15:25.000
I was like I don't know what you want from us,

01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:29.000
but like You know we view like the the people

01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:30.579
in the bands we tour with those are the people

01:15:30.579 --> 01:15:32.420
we spend time with Those are the people were

01:15:32.420 --> 01:15:35.859
with every day for ten weeks You know like and

01:15:35.859 --> 01:15:38.779
so those are the people that we view our ministry

01:15:38.779 --> 01:15:44.420
towards you know and I was like I was like you

01:15:44.420 --> 01:15:47.199
don't know us You don't know our life. You don't

01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:50.359
know And so for like you to come here and be

01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:52.560
accusing us of all this stuff is just it's not

01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:55.140
good like it doesn't look good on you doesn't

01:15:55.140 --> 01:15:57.819
look good on christianity like you know, what

01:15:57.819 --> 01:16:02.159
are we doing and I feel like I feel like those

01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:08.579
were the run -ins that made it difficult to to

01:16:08.579 --> 01:16:11.640
identify as a christian ban, um, but then also

01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:15.979
just like Mean we were like what 21 and 22 years

01:16:15.979 --> 01:16:21.920
old the time and like I can't I I don't even

01:16:21.920 --> 01:16:23.920
know who I am as a person at that point like

01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:28.159
It's it's hard to like have these young people

01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:32.439
Sort of carry the weight of faith For a whole

01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:35.640
bunch of people that like their band And and

01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:37.760
put them up on this pedestal when like and they

01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:40.020
know that like none of us belong on a pedestal

01:16:40.020 --> 01:16:44.100
We're just a bunch of kids um and we don't know

01:16:44.100 --> 01:16:50.239
anything like even if we could you know have

01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:52.619
some sort of theological argument like we don't

01:16:52.619 --> 01:16:54.399
know what we're talking about like you know we're

01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:56.399
just saying stuff that we've heard other people

01:16:56.399 --> 01:17:00.720
say you know uh so yeah i don't know i felt like

01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:04.720
it was a weird sort of line to try and walk like

01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:08.920
i don't think we were ashamed of it in our christianity

01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:13.329
in any way but it was also We also felt like,

01:17:13.869 --> 01:17:15.649
we also kind of felt like it was going to be

01:17:15.649 --> 01:17:19.789
like a hurdle to our career, or like something

01:17:19.789 --> 01:17:22.989
that was going to box us into this thing and

01:17:22.989 --> 01:17:27.409
put a ceiling on how far we could go. I think

01:17:27.409 --> 01:17:30.050
that makes sense. Yeah, I feel like we've talked

01:17:30.050 --> 01:17:33.029
about this a little bit before. I've thought

01:17:33.029 --> 01:17:38.390
a lot over time just for my own engagement in

01:17:38.390 --> 01:17:41.430
that world. um, to the extent that I was able

01:17:41.430 --> 01:17:44.329
to, and Ty, you probably even know this better

01:17:44.329 --> 01:17:48.970
than me, but, um, seeing so many people that

01:17:48.970 --> 01:17:52.350
we were able to tour with and play shows with

01:17:52.350 --> 01:17:56.170
and spend time with, um, who I feel like the

01:17:56.170 --> 01:17:58.949
Christian music industry, like wrecked their

01:17:58.949 --> 01:18:04.729
faith, um, in Jesus and, um, and people, sadly

01:18:04.729 --> 01:18:08.069
people, Christians, um, hurt their relationship

01:18:08.069 --> 01:18:11.479
with Christ. And I think what you said about

01:18:11.479 --> 01:18:15.060
putting pressure on these young kids to stand

01:18:15.060 --> 01:18:18.039
up and like that they have to have it all figured

01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:20.880
out and they have to get it right every time

01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:23.939
and they have to live the certain way and not

01:18:23.939 --> 01:18:27.060
make mistakes. Just the pressure of that that's

01:18:27.060 --> 01:18:30.359
put on somebody, especially some of these young

01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.399
bands. I feel like that's been a big reason why

01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:36.920
I've seen so. many people just kind of walk away,

01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:39.359
not just from Christian music, but from Christianity

01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:44.760
altogether. How are you able, as someone who

01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:48.340
was knee deep in all that stuff, able to still

01:18:48.340 --> 01:18:53.920
walk away from it as a person of faith and trusting

01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:59.439
in Jesus? I think it's a hard lesson that you

01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:07.329
have to learn to separate the person of Jesus

01:19:07.329 --> 01:19:13.869
from Christianity. Not that they're separate

01:19:13.869 --> 01:19:17.949
things, but I mean Christianity is like the people

01:19:17.949 --> 01:19:20.289
who call themselves Christians and the person

01:19:20.289 --> 01:19:22.750
of Jesus. Those are two very different things.

01:19:24.489 --> 01:19:28.909
And so you have to separate those, and then you

01:19:28.909 --> 01:19:31.250
have to ask yourself, okay, what am I putting

01:19:31.250 --> 01:19:35.710
my faith into? And I think in order to survive

01:19:35.710 --> 01:19:37.489
that, you've got to be sure that what you're

01:19:37.489 --> 01:19:43.329
putting your faith into is Jesus and not the

01:19:43.329 --> 01:19:46.350
people that call themselves Christians. Because

01:19:46.350 --> 01:19:49.170
if that's what you put your faith into, then

01:19:49.170 --> 01:19:52.250
every time you're going to be let down by them,

01:19:53.470 --> 01:20:02.149
even with best intentions. And so it's separating

01:20:02.149 --> 01:20:07.590
that. you know, I I'm You know at the age now

01:20:07.590 --> 01:20:10.970
42 like I have a ton of friends who are close

01:20:10.970 --> 01:20:13.250
friends who who are close friends I don't say

01:20:13.250 --> 01:20:16.710
where they are close friends who I grew up with

01:20:16.710 --> 01:20:19.390
who have always been Christians and and then

01:20:19.390 --> 01:20:21.989
now you know, they're they're questioning a lot

01:20:21.989 --> 01:20:24.750
of things and you know, or they're They're no

01:20:24.750 --> 01:20:27.350
they no longer would call themselves a Christian

01:20:27.350 --> 01:20:29.489
and you know, they're agnostic or they're just

01:20:29.489 --> 01:20:32.909
straight -up atheist And when I asked them about

01:20:32.909 --> 01:20:36.289
that, like when I asked them what went wrong,

01:20:36.489 --> 01:20:38.310
like where, not what went wrong, but like what

01:20:38.310 --> 01:20:44.930
changed for you. It always seems the answer comes

01:20:44.930 --> 01:20:49.130
from a lack of ability to sort of separate who

01:20:49.130 --> 01:20:55.850
God is and who the church is. And you know, and

01:20:55.850 --> 01:20:58.010
not realizing that like what you believed in

01:20:58.010 --> 01:21:02.689
all along was This human institution the church

01:21:02.689 --> 01:21:09.770
Little sea church, I guess and and and it wasn't

01:21:09.770 --> 01:21:12.470
God that your entire faith was in, you know,

01:21:12.569 --> 01:21:17.729
and so I think that's a recipe for disaster And

01:21:17.729 --> 01:21:20.489
you know also don't mean to incorrectly paint

01:21:20.489 --> 01:21:25.489
any of my friends but that's just kind of the

01:21:25.489 --> 01:21:29.609
The the feeling I get when I when I have conversations

01:21:29.609 --> 01:21:32.670
with them about faith and stuff like that. Because

01:21:32.670 --> 01:21:36.850
a lot of their grievances against God or against

01:21:36.850 --> 01:21:41.229
the church, I'm like, oh yeah, I agree with you.

01:21:42.310 --> 01:21:46.770
But I don't think it's God that you're mad at.

01:21:46.949 --> 01:21:50.189
I think it's the church. And then that's a whole

01:21:50.189 --> 01:21:53.289
other conversation. I'm pretty angry at the church

01:21:53.289 --> 01:22:00.250
all the time. But I still believe that Jesus

01:22:00.250 --> 01:22:04.189
is who he says he was. Um, and so it's just a,

01:22:04.189 --> 01:22:06.489
it's trying to separate those two things to the

01:22:06.489 --> 01:22:10.750
best you can. Yeah. Um, and having grace for

01:22:10.750 --> 01:22:15.850
trying to have grace for, for one of them. Yeah,

01:22:15.850 --> 01:22:19.470
I feel like we're, we're in a culture where we've

01:22:19.470 --> 01:22:23.170
lost our ability to be gracious towards each

01:22:23.170 --> 01:22:25.609
other, no matter where we fall on this stuff.

01:22:26.229 --> 01:22:31.640
And, um, just from, you know, cancel culture

01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:35.500
and all kinds of stuff. Like we, we've sadly

01:22:35.500 --> 01:22:39.420
everything that we feel and see in society from

01:22:39.420 --> 01:22:41.619
all the division that exists out there around

01:22:41.619 --> 01:22:45.359
politics and, and everything is all those things

01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:48.739
are living and breathing inside the body of Christ.

01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:53.760
And I know, I know you've worked at Churches

01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:56.939
right since you've come out of this I'm thankful

01:22:56.939 --> 01:22:59.619
for me that I've been able to experience a different

01:22:59.619 --> 01:23:02.739
side of the church at the same time and been

01:23:02.739 --> 01:23:05.720
able to be part of Community of believers that

01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:08.420
are really trying to like faithfully live out

01:23:08.420 --> 01:23:11.859
what it looks like to to walk with Jesus But

01:23:11.859 --> 01:23:14.279
I know that's that hasn't been everybody's experience.

01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:19.000
And so yeah for me it just puts a Attention on

01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:22.640
my heart of saying how can I best live out who

01:23:22.640 --> 01:23:25.380
Jesus is day in and day out as I'm having conversations

01:23:25.380 --> 01:23:29.619
with people and meeting people who have never

01:23:29.619 --> 01:23:31.500
experienced him or people who've walked away

01:23:31.500 --> 01:23:36.819
from him. I don't want to be what people's view

01:23:36.819 --> 01:23:40.979
of Christianity is in America. Like I pray that

01:23:40.979 --> 01:23:43.979
my life can display who Jesus is, but it's such

01:23:43.979 --> 01:23:49.140
a challenge. It is man. I feel like, I mean,

01:23:49.470 --> 01:23:52.850
Even for me like the sort of label. There's my

01:23:52.850 --> 01:24:01.550
dog back there Like I have a hard time Identifying

01:24:01.550 --> 01:24:03.789
with the label of like evangelical Christian

01:24:03.789 --> 01:24:08.869
right now which is which is it's funny because

01:24:08.869 --> 01:24:12.550
I Definitely would say I'm a Christian and I

01:24:12.550 --> 01:24:15.310
would definitely say that I'm evangelical in

01:24:15.310 --> 01:24:17.909
the sense of like I want people to know about

01:24:17.909 --> 01:24:22.829
Jesus But I feel like at least for me like that

01:24:22.829 --> 01:24:27.170
term is is something that That I don't want to

01:24:27.170 --> 01:24:31.489
be associated with And so it's hard to like try

01:24:31.489 --> 01:24:35.270
and figure out how to exist in that space And

01:24:35.270 --> 01:24:43.449
how to Speak in love To people in that space

01:24:43.449 --> 01:24:46.850
and and how to be truthful with people in that

01:24:46.850 --> 01:24:52.210
space as well without sewing discord or something.

01:24:52.369 --> 01:24:55.369
I don't know. It's a tough position to be in

01:24:55.369 --> 01:24:58.229
from my perspective, and it's something I'm daily

01:24:58.229 --> 01:24:59.789
trying to figure out how to navigate and walk

01:24:59.789 --> 01:25:05.090
through. Yeah. Well, I'm thankful that we get

01:25:05.090 --> 01:25:08.270
the opportunity to figure it out, and even though

01:25:08.270 --> 01:25:11.510
we get it wrong a lot of times, thankfully God's

01:25:11.510 --> 01:25:15.430
gracious towards us. Indeed. and we get to do

01:25:15.430 --> 01:25:17.770
our best to be gracious towards others as well.

01:25:18.069 --> 01:25:19.789
So dude, this has been such a good conversation.

01:25:19.930 --> 01:25:23.350
I'm thankful for you opening up and being real

01:25:23.350 --> 01:25:27.670
about who you are and where you are. And we're

01:25:27.670 --> 01:25:31.609
just, we're excited to continue. I can't wait

01:25:31.609 --> 01:25:35.149
to hear the new Don Quixote's horse track when

01:25:35.149 --> 01:25:38.649
it hits. And I'm excited to see why it wouldn't

01:25:38.649 --> 01:25:43.189
fit well at Winter Jam. So I think that'll be

01:25:43.189 --> 01:25:47.090
a good time. Go give it a listen when you get

01:25:47.090 --> 01:25:50.090
a chance. Cool. All right, we're gonna move into

01:25:50.090 --> 01:26:05.369
our lyric of the week. All right, this week's

01:26:05.369 --> 01:26:09.949
lyrics come from popularity off of popularity.

01:26:11.409 --> 01:26:14.949
It's popularity. I keep on keeping but everybody's

01:26:14.949 --> 01:26:17.890
dying for their own opinion. Popularity. Yeah,

01:26:17.890 --> 01:26:20.829
I think it's scary. I'll fall asleep to you screaming

01:26:20.829 --> 01:26:26.189
at my brain. I remember hearing that song and

01:26:26.189 --> 01:26:28.390
I immediately sent it to my best friend Keith.

01:26:28.909 --> 01:26:30.869
I was like you gotta listen to this. I remember

01:26:30.869 --> 01:26:33.680
the time was being like there's never been anything

01:26:33.680 --> 01:26:39.619
truer said in music congratulations yeah i'll

01:26:39.619 --> 01:26:44.680
tell robert you said that i love that i love

01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:48.500
that well ty thanks again man for joining us

01:26:48.500 --> 01:26:51.140
i know um we've talked about how you guys have

01:26:51.140 --> 01:26:53.920
something new dropping but um yeah where do you

01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:56.340
want people to find you online where can they

01:26:56.340 --> 01:27:00.939
find Don Quixote source like where um Yeah, I'm

01:27:00.939 --> 01:27:05.840
I'm relatively elusive on the on the social medias,

01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:07.800
with the exception of a couple of years ago,

01:27:07.800 --> 01:27:10.159
I got an Instagram because my wife got tired

01:27:10.159 --> 01:27:13.659
of tagging Don Quixote's horse Instagram and

01:27:13.659 --> 01:27:15.680
in like trips she was trying to win for us and

01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:20.220
stuff. So I don't even I think I changed my Instagram

01:27:20.220 --> 01:27:21.760
handle last night. I don't remember what it's

01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:27.739
called. I think it's I think it's now. Tizzle

01:27:27.739 --> 01:27:31.680
from instant grizzle. You want to if you want

01:27:31.680 --> 01:27:33.659
to follow me on there, I don't I mean, I don't

01:27:33.659 --> 01:27:36.239
know if you here's that my account is private

01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:39.779
So if I don't know you accept your follow request

01:27:39.779 --> 01:27:44.840
So I go follow our band don Quixote source on

01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:47.579
Instagram Don underscore Quixote's underscore

01:27:47.579 --> 01:27:51.600
horse That's not private and you can you can

01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:54.520
check that out and you know support our band

01:27:54.810 --> 01:27:57.909
I don't know how listen support good music so

01:27:57.909 --> 01:27:59.670
attack and keep playing music with his friends

01:27:59.670 --> 01:28:01.949
So yeah, I mean we don't make any money anyway,

01:28:01.949 --> 01:28:06.930
so it's not like it's gonna But yeah Yeah, awesome.

01:28:07.189 --> 01:28:08.750
Awesome. Well dude. Thanks again for joining

01:28:08.750 --> 01:28:11.229
us. We appreciate it. I appreciate everybody

01:28:11.229 --> 01:28:14.689
for listening. You can find us online Hey, are

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like subscribe, listen, review, whatever you

01:28:24.029 --> 01:28:27.289
want to do, so we can keep getting the good word

01:28:27.289 --> 01:28:29.750
out on this. But I'm thankful that we get to

01:28:29.750 --> 01:28:31.409
have these conversations each week, thankful

01:28:31.409 --> 01:28:33.869
that Ty was able to join us today, and thankful

01:28:33.869 --> 01:28:36.210
for the journey that you guys are on with us.

01:28:36.350 --> 01:28:38.069
We'll see you next week.