WEBVTT 00:00:32.429 --> 00:00:36.109 Well, hey friends, are you listening? Welcome 00:00:36.109 --> 00:00:40.009 to our podcast that is looking at the past, present, 00:00:40.070 --> 00:00:43.009 and future of Christian music. My name is Joel. 00:00:43.030 --> 00:00:46.789 I'm here with my good friend Brandon. And we 00:00:46.789 --> 00:00:49.689 connected over a mutual love of some different 00:00:49.689 --> 00:00:53.070 artists, but also have some pretty different 00:00:53.070 --> 00:00:56.450 tastes. And so we get to experience new stuff 00:00:56.450 --> 00:00:59.229 from each other while sometimes having some friends 00:00:59.229 --> 00:01:02.869 along for the way. Brandon, how you doing today? 00:01:03.189 --> 00:01:10.950 I'm doing good. It's a nice rainy Halloween week 00:01:10.950 --> 00:01:15.209 day here in Charleston, South Carolina. I feel 00:01:15.209 --> 00:01:19.209 like weather, like moisture wise, I'm not a big 00:01:19.209 --> 00:01:22.290 fan. Temperature wise, big fan of what's going 00:01:22.290 --> 00:01:25.670 on right now. Yeah, there's been some cool days 00:01:25.670 --> 00:01:28.590 which have been pretty, pretty fun and pretty 00:01:28.590 --> 00:01:32.310 nice. Um, not as afraid to spend some time outdoors, 00:01:32.310 --> 00:01:34.909 which is cool. So the mosquitoes aren't out as 00:01:34.909 --> 00:01:37.969 much. Yeah, that's true. That helps and uh gets 00:01:37.969 --> 00:01:41.390 us ready and geared up for friday Friday night 00:01:41.390 --> 00:01:44.010 the big event. Um trick -or -treating you're 00:01:44.010 --> 00:01:49.010 gonna be hitting the streets No, I I so the job 00:01:49.010 --> 00:01:52.170 I used to have I was never off on halloween night 00:01:52.170 --> 00:01:55.909 Yeah, I love handing out candy. I i've become 00:01:55.909 --> 00:01:59.670 an old man in my 30s But like, I just enjoy handing 00:01:59.670 --> 00:02:02.709 out candy. And I think it's like, I'm naturally 00:02:02.709 --> 00:02:05.689 a person who enjoys giving gifts more than receiving 00:02:05.689 --> 00:02:09.870 gifts. So there's a mini Christmas morning where 00:02:09.870 --> 00:02:12.150 someone hands me something and I go, oh cool, 00:02:12.370 --> 00:02:14.229 a corduroy shirt. All right, well here, Jordan, 00:02:14.349 --> 00:02:17.930 open that. I actually really miss those days 00:02:17.930 --> 00:02:22.389 myself of just being able to like, my wife Emily 00:02:22.389 --> 00:02:24.849 and I used to set up in the driveway and have 00:02:24.849 --> 00:02:28.639 hot chocolate. um just get to have a lot of conversations 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:31.580 with our neighbors and then um when did did you 00:02:31.580 --> 00:02:33.560 just have hot chocolate for yourself or you were 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:36.259 handing out now we're handing it out giving it 00:02:36.259 --> 00:02:39.259 away um just to entice people to sit around and 00:02:39.259 --> 00:02:42.580 talk to us um but then kids enter the picture 00:02:42.580 --> 00:02:44.759 and then you gotta you gotta roam the neighborhood 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.039 and stay staying still so it's a little bit of 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.780 a different um different ball game at that point 00:02:49.780 --> 00:02:53.979 well with that um today's gonna be a little bit 00:02:53.979 --> 00:02:58.810 of a different kind of episode for us and We 00:02:58.810 --> 00:03:02.810 might have some spooky treats along the way but 00:03:02.810 --> 00:03:06.750 also today we're just gonna deal with a topic 00:03:06.750 --> 00:03:10.229 and you found somewhere online a list of some 00:03:10.229 --> 00:03:13.770 of the Greatest Christian artists of all time. 00:03:13.810 --> 00:03:16.430 What have you got going on? Yeah, it's a it's 00:03:16.430 --> 00:03:21.729 a website called ranker. Okay, our a NK er It's 00:03:21.729 --> 00:03:24.270 a website where people can just go and they can 00:03:24.270 --> 00:03:27.199 talk put in any topic and people just aren't 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.699 ranking them. And so the list will be looking 00:03:29.699 --> 00:03:34.139 up in a little bit. It has almost 200 ,000 votes 00:03:34.139 --> 00:03:40.080 on it. So we'll see what the result of 200 ,000 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:42.740 inputs of what are the very best Christian bands 00:03:42.740 --> 00:03:45.280 and artists. What that looks like. I do not think 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:47.740 that I have let my opinion be known on this. 00:03:47.979 --> 00:03:50.219 Maybe we should have voted ahead of time before 00:03:50.219 --> 00:03:52.680 we know who knows. That's interesting. All right. 00:03:52.699 --> 00:03:54.280 So we're looking forward to digging into that, 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:57.879 but before we get into it, let's talk about what's 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:04.419 in the news. So what is in the news in the world 00:04:04.419 --> 00:04:06.539 of Christian music today? I feel like it's been 00:04:06.539 --> 00:04:09.770 a little bit of a. Light season coming out of 00:04:09.770 --> 00:04:11.810 what we've been talking about with the devil 00:04:11.810 --> 00:04:14.229 wards and everything. There's not as much happening 00:04:14.229 --> 00:04:18.389 But I did notice that there is one pretty big 00:04:18.389 --> 00:04:21.689 and important record coming out Maybe something 00:04:21.689 --> 00:04:25.209 that's never happened before Mm -hmm. And that 00:04:25.209 --> 00:04:29.589 is that a certain artist has a Christmas album 00:04:29.589 --> 00:04:32.290 Coming out for the very first time. Who do you 00:04:32.290 --> 00:04:34.990 think might be releasing a Christmas album for 00:04:34.990 --> 00:04:37.980 the first time? Mm -hmm Is it a newer or older 00:04:37.980 --> 00:04:45.279 artist? That's an older artist. Striper? How 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:51.040 did you guess that? Is that them? It is. Maybe 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:53.560 you saw it somewhere. Striper has a Christmas 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.899 album coming out called The Greatest Gift of 00:04:55.899 --> 00:05:01.069 All and so I'm just... i'm intrigued every time 00:05:01.069 --> 00:05:03.910 striper puts an album out i'm like let's listen 00:05:03.910 --> 00:05:06.829 to this and see what's going on um and they've 00:05:06.829 --> 00:05:09.069 actually put out a couple of like decent records 00:05:09.069 --> 00:05:11.910 i don't like sit and listen to striper but i'll 00:05:11.910 --> 00:05:13.449 always check it out whenever they put something 00:05:13.449 --> 00:05:15.810 out just because i'm intrigued how these guys 00:05:15.810 --> 00:05:18.990 keep going um so a christmas album sounds kind 00:05:18.990 --> 00:05:22.829 of fun i can just imagine some some really nice 00:05:22.829 --> 00:05:26.350 melodic um christmas melodies that are just being 00:05:26.350 --> 00:05:29.959 shredded Out there. So that'll be an interesting 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:32.500 thing to check out as it as it happens What are 00:05:32.500 --> 00:05:35.220 some of your favorite like Christmas albums or 00:05:35.220 --> 00:05:40.819 Christmas songs? So I'm really excited for us 00:05:40.819 --> 00:05:44.399 to get to tackle Some Christmas albums coming 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:47.160 up and maybe we can save a little bit of a later 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.240 discussion I think the ones that come to mind 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:57.480 was our reliant case Very good. What it's got 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.939 some weird title to it. Oh, let it let it snow 00:06:00.939 --> 00:06:08.240 let it reindeer. I think That one's top and I 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:12.620 I'm such a big fan of Compilation Christmas albums 00:06:12.620 --> 00:06:15.500 the stuff that tooth and L put out the stuff 00:06:15.500 --> 00:06:19.139 that go to records put out To me those are some 00:06:19.139 --> 00:06:21.899 of the most fun ones because the problem is is 00:06:21.899 --> 00:06:24.930 with a lot of Christmas albums you'll have people 00:06:24.930 --> 00:06:27.490 that are in the style of music and that's what 00:06:27.490 --> 00:06:30.689 you expect but then all they do is just this 00:06:30.689 --> 00:06:34.490 traditional stuff yeah so it's nothing is separating 00:06:34.490 --> 00:06:38.810 it from from the other thousand artists which 00:06:38.810 --> 00:06:41.990 i understand because my mom is a big a big person 00:06:41.990 --> 00:06:46.459 of like uh like little drummer boy Did their 00:06:46.459 --> 00:06:48.779 the traditional one is the only way to do that? 00:06:48.779 --> 00:06:51.100 So all the other bands I bring up and go look 00:06:51.100 --> 00:06:53.980 audio adrenaline did this That's not the song 00:06:53.980 --> 00:06:58.620 So the huge like for King and Country Live little 00:06:58.620 --> 00:07:01.459 drummer boy thing. She would not be like a fan, 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:04.180 you know, honestly, I I don't know her feelings 00:07:04.180 --> 00:07:06.699 I'll have to reach out and provide an update 00:07:06.699 --> 00:07:10.300 later on Can't wait to find out about that one 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:13.420 That's cool. All right. Well, what, what are 00:07:13.420 --> 00:07:15.699 some things that, um, every week we talk about 00:07:15.699 --> 00:07:18.339 what we've been listening to lately. Is there 00:07:18.339 --> 00:07:20.040 anything for you that's kind of a new thing that 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.399 you've been digging into? It's funny that you 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.939 mentioned, um, like Christmas albums. So each 00:07:25.939 --> 00:07:31.399 year we, um, we put together a puppet show for 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:35.740 the kids at church. Um, so we like rewrite, like 00:07:35.740 --> 00:07:39.420 we write a new one and act it out and all, and 00:07:39.689 --> 00:07:43.209 Feel like you to get in them the spirit of writing 00:07:43.209 --> 00:07:45.110 in the right headspace. You have to listen to 00:07:45.110 --> 00:07:48.810 Christmas music Mm -hmm, so I plugged in my Christmas 00:07:48.810 --> 00:07:51.129 playlist from last year So the other day on the 00:07:51.129 --> 00:07:53.449 way home for visiting my parents It was just 00:07:53.449 --> 00:07:55.589 a straight hour of listening to Christmas songs 00:07:55.589 --> 00:07:57.769 and going all right. What what about this Christmas 00:07:57.769 --> 00:08:01.170 song? Can I fit in with? Oh, yeah, we can do 00:08:01.170 --> 00:08:04.610 you know a whole Production based on that, you 00:08:04.610 --> 00:08:07.410 know or whatever with like telling the story 00:08:07.410 --> 00:08:10.560 so Yeah, this past week it was just in the car 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:12.720 just for an hour straight listening to random 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:15.459 Christmas songs. I would have such a hard time 00:08:15.459 --> 00:08:19.040 if any part of my ministry job had me listening 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:22.519 to Christmas music before Thanksgiving. Just 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:24.899 because I'm one of those guys that has like that 00:08:24.899 --> 00:08:27.600 hard line of like, we're not going to do this. 00:08:28.220 --> 00:08:30.740 And my kids, it drives them crazy. But then they'll 00:08:30.740 --> 00:08:33.179 start listening to Christmas music before Halloween 00:08:33.179 --> 00:08:36.480 and they're like sick of it. by the time we're 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.679 like halfway through December. And I'm like, 00:08:38.700 --> 00:08:40.720 you actually have to still enjoy Christmas music 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:46.259 on Christmas. So yeah, that's always fun. I don't 00:08:46.259 --> 00:08:48.340 have anything new really that I've been paying 00:08:48.340 --> 00:08:50.179 attention to you, but one record that I've been 00:08:50.179 --> 00:08:53.419 listening to you that is one that came out I 00:08:53.419 --> 00:08:57.139 think last year is... One of my favorite bands 00:08:57.139 --> 00:08:59.899 is the band Luxury. They're an old school tooth 00:08:59.899 --> 00:09:02.120 and nail band, but now just kind of releasing 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.200 their own stuff. And so they put out an album 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:08.700 last year called Like Unto Lambs. And I love 00:09:08.700 --> 00:09:11.539 everything that they've released in the last 00:09:11.539 --> 00:09:14.360 10 or 15 years. It's been really good, but this 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:19.419 record is super good. The production's great. 00:09:19.700 --> 00:09:23.419 I think they record with Matt Goldman out of 00:09:23.419 --> 00:09:26.549 Atlanta, but... It's just such a good record 00:09:26.549 --> 00:09:30.669 and there's such a variety of like songs on it 00:09:30.669 --> 00:09:35.250 and such good songwriting and lyrics and Their 00:09:35.250 --> 00:09:37.990 singer is just like a beast of a singer. He's 00:09:37.990 --> 00:09:41.190 got great vocals And so I just love I love that 00:09:41.190 --> 00:09:43.330 band and I love that album. So I've spent some 00:09:43.330 --> 00:09:47.669 time digging into that one lately, so That's 00:09:47.669 --> 00:09:50.090 been fun. All right. Well, let's transition and 00:09:50.090 --> 00:09:54.559 then see where we are going to get with with 00:09:54.559 --> 00:10:03.460 what we've got going on today. Well, Brandon, 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:06.940 you mentioned something about having a game for 00:10:06.940 --> 00:10:09.779 us. So I'm super intrigued. All right. Yeah, 00:10:09.779 --> 00:10:14.419 I've got an awesome game set up, Joel. So, you 00:10:14.419 --> 00:10:16.840 know, in honor of Halloween, I wanted to do something 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.620 themed. And I started thinking about you know 00:10:19.620 --> 00:10:21.919 growing up you'd get home and you sort through 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:23.960 start sorting through your candy Because you 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:26.220 know, it's it's night time. You don't know what 00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:30.320 people putting in that bag um So you get home 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:33.159 and you've got you know, like um I don't know 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:35.299 joe like what was it? What was a good candy like 00:10:35.299 --> 00:10:37.240 when you reached in when you got when you were 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:40.720 younger You'd be like, oh man, this is exciting. 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:42.740 What was it? What was a good candy for you? Maybe 00:10:42.740 --> 00:10:47.100 like a a pack of like fun dip with a little white 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:50.779 yeah yeah that was a big one what was a negative 00:10:50.779 --> 00:10:53.399 one for you a negative one would be like those 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:56.960 chewy like peanut butter things that are like 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:00.039 wrapped in like orange and black wrappers um 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.539 yeah i was not a fan of those it's like those 00:11:02.539 --> 00:11:05.179 mystery ones you never really know what you're 00:11:05.179 --> 00:11:07.580 gonna get yeah i remember being so upset when 00:11:07.580 --> 00:11:11.600 someone gave me non -candy but now i feel like 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:13.899 that would be such an amazing thing like if i 00:11:13.899 --> 00:11:15.919 got home and someone i don't know if they if 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:20.019 i had 10 sets of like plastic cutlery in my bag. 00:11:20.100 --> 00:11:22.159 And I'd be like, this is nice. I would think 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.419 it's weird. Like as a kid and an adult, I would 00:11:24.419 --> 00:11:27.059 think it's weird. As an adult, I would say this 00:11:27.059 --> 00:11:30.820 would be more helpful than a snack size Hershey's 00:11:30.820 --> 00:11:36.120 bar. So I wanted to play a game of it's called 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:40.179 trick or treat. And you've just gotten home and 00:11:40.179 --> 00:11:43.039 surprise, surprise. Your bag is full of CDs, 00:11:43.340 --> 00:11:47.269 Joel. Okay. So you're going to tell me It's a 00:11:47.269 --> 00:11:51.049 trick or a treat. All right. Okay. All right 00:11:51.049 --> 00:11:54.830 starting off Let's go with something easy. All 00:11:54.830 --> 00:11:57.389 right. Okay, you reach in there's a vinyl in 00:11:57.389 --> 00:11:59.269 your bag. All right I like what you're saying. 00:11:59.289 --> 00:12:02.970 The vinyl is the greatest hits of Jones Etta 00:12:02.970 --> 00:12:06.610 on vinyl I don't think that's an actual release. 00:12:06.610 --> 00:12:10.590 Oh, none of these are actually Well, I would 00:12:10.590 --> 00:12:12.669 be all about it I don't think I have any Jones 00:12:12.669 --> 00:12:16.220 Etta on vinyl um i don't know if that exists 00:12:16.220 --> 00:12:17.820 i don't know if it does either but i would love 00:12:17.820 --> 00:12:21.700 to have cruel to be young on vinyl that would 00:12:21.700 --> 00:12:24.559 be awesome now that's a treat that's a treat 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:26.679 all right for sure all right the next one you 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.960 pick up it's a cd uh it's a very skillet christmas 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:34.500 so skillet sings the christmas classics you grew 00:12:34.500 --> 00:12:37.559 upon putting their own uh spin on it you're doing 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:42.320 this to me on purpose um i can already like envision 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:46.059 the pyrotechnics happening. I'm gonna go with 00:12:46.059 --> 00:12:49.519 a trick on that one. Not gonna be my favorite. 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:52.399 Yeah. Do you think they would cover Heatmizer 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:55.360 on there? Or do you think Skillet's the kind 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:58.299 of band that they are only playing the, like, 00:12:58.379 --> 00:13:00.870 Christian... Christmas songs. I would hope they 00:13:00.870 --> 00:13:02.669 would have a little bit of a sense of humor. 00:13:03.269 --> 00:13:06.049 But I don't actually know what Christmas songs 00:13:06.049 --> 00:13:08.909 I would want to hear in the style of skillet. 00:13:08.970 --> 00:13:13.809 Can you imagine like a holy night maybe? What 00:13:13.809 --> 00:13:15.909 is a Christmas song that you feel like would 00:13:15.909 --> 00:13:21.149 fit well with the just overall feeling of skillet? 00:13:21.789 --> 00:13:25.769 I think that a song and I've it's one of my favorites 00:13:25.769 --> 00:13:28.269 and I've heard a lot of different styles is I 00:13:28.269 --> 00:13:31.559 think God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen. That's a song 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.879 that opens itself for, you can go acoustic, you 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:37.399 can go over the top, so you can have some fire 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:40.419 in there. Sure. Yeah, I can see that. I can see 00:13:40.419 --> 00:13:42.679 that. I mean, I think I might be interested to 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:45.960 just listen for a second, but I don't think that 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:47.679 it would be something that I'd keep coming back 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:49.419 to. So yeah, I'm gonna go with the trick. All 00:13:49.419 --> 00:13:52.440 right, our next CD is Chris Tomlin Goes Metal. 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:55.899 So Chris Tomlin is re -recording some of his 00:13:55.899 --> 00:13:59.529 hits and putting a metal spin on it. That's a 00:13:59.529 --> 00:14:02.090 treat all day long just because I want to hear 00:14:02.090 --> 00:14:05.690 it all. I mean, it's gonna be terrible But terrible 00:14:05.690 --> 00:14:09.230 in such a good way. Mm -hmm. Yeah, like who doesn't 00:14:09.230 --> 00:14:13.289 want to hear that? Next up Lauren Daigle live 00:14:13.289 --> 00:14:26.899 from the DMV If it helps, you can choose which 00:14:26.899 --> 00:14:32.379 DMV. I'm just imagining the one that I in Monk's 00:14:32.379 --> 00:14:38.620 Corner that I've spent time at. I mean, it would 00:14:38.620 --> 00:14:41.059 certainly make it a better experience if Lauren 00:14:41.059 --> 00:14:45.139 Daigle was in the DMV singing while I was there. 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:51.220 It's interesting. I like Lauren Daigle, but I 00:14:51.220 --> 00:14:54.519 also never... Listen to Lauren Daigle, uh -huh, 00:14:54.700 --> 00:14:58.039 but I actually have a good amount of respect 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:05.179 for her so I feel like that's one where That's 00:15:05.179 --> 00:15:08.559 like oh, I'm gonna give that to my like my niece 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:12.059 or something. Mm -hmm if it ends up in my bag 00:15:12.059 --> 00:15:14.639 You got you but I am intrigued by the DMV part 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:20.559 of that. How are the acoustics? Our next one 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.039 is VeggieTales presents the best of Me Without 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:31.299 You. I don't know where you came up with these. 00:15:32.779 --> 00:15:36.360 VeggieTales presents the best of Me Without You. 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:38.580 I feel like I might enjoy it more the other way 00:15:38.580 --> 00:15:43.360 around. Me Without You presents the best of VeggieTales. 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:47.039 You know they did do those albums 20 years ago 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:49.990 where it was they covered like Reliant K and 00:15:49.990 --> 00:15:52.509 all but then reliant K covered I didn't even 00:15:52.509 --> 00:15:55.129 think about that. We're talking two discs special 00:15:55.129 --> 00:15:58.009 now. Yes Okay, and that in that case, I'm totally 00:15:58.009 --> 00:16:01.649 going with treat I would spend at least I'd spend 00:16:01.649 --> 00:16:04.450 hundred dollars on that right now if you find 00:16:04.450 --> 00:16:07.450 me with Two discs. Well, that's a total treat 00:16:07.450 --> 00:16:09.509 for you. We're throwing it out there for the 00:16:09.509 --> 00:16:12.110 veggie tells me without you The collaboration 00:16:12.110 --> 00:16:15.789 we waiting for we need the collab to happen five 00:16:15.789 --> 00:16:20.490 iron frenzy goes country Yes, it's a treat anything 00:16:20.490 --> 00:16:22.990 the five iron does I'm here for mm -hmm. They 00:16:22.990 --> 00:16:29.370 have a really terrible Album called so bad called 00:16:29.370 --> 00:16:34.730 cheeses of Nazareth That's just a whole record 00:16:34.730 --> 00:16:39.509 of their goofy songs uh -huh And it's so bad, 00:16:39.529 --> 00:16:42.389 but I'll still uh -huh. I'm here for it. Yeah, 00:16:42.610 --> 00:16:44.529 okay So you're saying this this is one of those 00:16:44.529 --> 00:16:46.350 candy. It's it's like the fun dip where you're 00:16:46.350 --> 00:16:49.350 like I know this is all sugar, but I still want 00:16:49.350 --> 00:16:52.289 this. Yes. There's no nutritional value like 00:16:52.289 --> 00:16:54.809 in a Snickers bar. He's got a peanut in there. 00:16:55.149 --> 00:16:59.110 And on their EP Quantity is Job One, at the end 00:16:59.110 --> 00:17:03.710 they have a rock opera. It's not really a rock 00:17:03.710 --> 00:17:05.690 opera, but it's an opera. It's called These Are 00:17:05.690 --> 00:17:09.769 Not My Pants. And so there are country styled 00:17:09.769 --> 00:17:14.180 songs. in that opera, and so I've been able to 00:17:14.180 --> 00:17:17.019 experience a little bit of a fabric frenzy in 00:17:17.019 --> 00:17:19.680 the style of country, and I'm here for it. Okay, 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.980 and here's our final one. When you wish upon 00:17:22.980 --> 00:17:27.359 a Star Flyer 59, Star Flyer 59 sings the classics 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:32.559 of Disney. Yes, treat, treat. Yeah, I'm totally 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.099 here for it. I love it. I think it's great, and 00:17:35.099 --> 00:17:39.440 I can just imagine You can just imagine Jason 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:42.380 Martin singing When You Wish Upon a Star. It 00:17:42.380 --> 00:17:46.079 sounds heavenly already in my head. So let's 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:49.359 make that happen, Velvet Blue and Jason Martin 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:52.519 and co. It sounds like you got some some real 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.400 treats for Halloween, Joel. So out of all those 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.710 for you, which one interests you the most? I 00:17:59.710 --> 00:18:02.269 think it's it's clearly the veggie tells one 00:18:02.269 --> 00:18:05.650 If you add the other desk and I think that the 00:18:05.650 --> 00:18:08.109 one I think out of all of them the one that has 00:18:08.109 --> 00:18:11.250 the best chance of Being really good. What's 00:18:11.250 --> 00:18:14.069 the star flyer one? And when I first came up 00:18:14.069 --> 00:18:15.809 with it, I was trying to think what's the most 00:18:15.809 --> 00:18:18.730 ridiculous thing I can do Then I thought man 00:18:18.730 --> 00:18:21.269 that actually would that would be really good. 00:18:21.369 --> 00:18:25.309 Yeah. Yeah Yeah, no, I think that'd be amazing. 00:18:25.309 --> 00:18:27.529 I love it. I love it. Well, thanks for that. 00:18:27.529 --> 00:18:31.410 I feel more ready for my adventures on Friday 00:18:31.410 --> 00:18:33.910 night with my family trick -or -treating. Can't 00:18:33.910 --> 00:18:35.809 wait to dig through those bags and see what's 00:18:35.809 --> 00:18:39.630 in there. So, all right. Well, you're kind of 00:18:39.630 --> 00:18:41.930 walking us through this episode, which is really 00:18:41.930 --> 00:18:45.910 fun. But I, so I, you have a list of the greatest 00:18:45.910 --> 00:18:49.069 Christian bands and artists of all time, according 00:18:49.069 --> 00:18:54.289 to the people out there via ranker. And I have 00:18:54.289 --> 00:18:57.839 no idea. Who was on that list or anything and 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:00.660 so i'm just excited to dig into this. So let's 00:19:00.660 --> 00:19:03.220 do it All right, joel going into it. There's 00:19:03.220 --> 00:19:06.839 135 different artists on here Uh, so would you 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:09.279 rather have the top 10 first or do you rather 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:11.599 me tell you a couple of the people that did not 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:17.980 make the top 10? Can you just for? Helping me 00:19:17.980 --> 00:19:20.420 understand who may or may not be on this list. 00:19:20.539 --> 00:19:23.480 Okay, can I give you an artist and you tell me? 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:25.640 They're on the list or not if they're one of 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:28.880 the hundred and thirty five artists. Yeah. Okay 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:35.140 MXPX They are not on the list, okay, this is 00:19:35.140 --> 00:19:40.240 not a good list But I also probably know we're 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:45.240 going for uh -huh, so okay, okay Yeah, I don't 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.539 know why don't you just lead us, okay? Well here, 00:19:48.579 --> 00:19:51.079 let me give you the the top 10 then, so you don't 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.539 feel spoiled. Can we start with 10? Yeah. Okay, 00:19:53.539 --> 00:19:57.160 cool. All right, 10th on the list. And reminder, 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:00.400 it is the very best Christian bands and artists. 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.079 Okay. These are bands and solo artists. Gotcha. 00:20:03.099 --> 00:20:07.880 It's not the best, it is the very best. All right, 00:20:07.940 --> 00:20:12.259 coming in at number 10, we have Skillet. Skillet, 00:20:12.259 --> 00:20:14.779 do you think they're the top 10 in the top 10 00:20:14.779 --> 00:20:19.529 greatest Christian bands of all time? So have 00:20:19.529 --> 00:20:24.769 to be. Yeah, I'm going to try and be objective 00:20:24.769 --> 00:20:27.789 about this and not necessarily think so much 00:20:27.789 --> 00:20:31.710 through the lens of my opinions, but think through 00:20:31.710 --> 00:20:35.430 what most people out there might believe and 00:20:35.430 --> 00:20:38.890 want to be true. And I, I still feel like I don't 00:20:38.890 --> 00:20:43.250 think skillet deserves to be in the top 10. What 00:20:43.250 --> 00:20:47.940 if for me, I, I think if you include. Before 00:20:47.940 --> 00:20:50.039 2000s, they're not on there. But what if it was 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:52.559 just 2000s? Do you think that they cracked the 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:54.079 list? Or do you think you're still not putting 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:56.160 them in the top 10? I mean, my favorite Skillet 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:01.299 album is their first album. So I would lean that 00:21:01.299 --> 00:21:05.220 it's probably, yeah, but still, no. I'm not gonna 00:21:05.220 --> 00:21:08.579 put them there, but it's okay. Number nine on 00:21:08.579 --> 00:21:14.240 the list, we have Mr. Matthew West. So Matthew 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:16.099 West is another artist that I don't really have 00:21:16.099 --> 00:21:19.400 a ton of experience with. I think that he gained 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:22.339 popularity at a time where I just wasn't listening 00:21:22.339 --> 00:21:26.799 to a lot of Christian music. And so I don't know. 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:29.500 I think I'm pretty sure that Matthew West is 00:21:29.500 --> 00:21:33.920 pretty popular, but he would not probably be 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.299 on any list that I would make ever. Do you think 00:21:37.299 --> 00:21:41.390 it's, so I'll say that for Matthew West, Would 00:21:41.390 --> 00:21:44.630 say that he has been very relevant for the past 00:21:44.630 --> 00:21:47.230 20 years. Like I would say that anytime in the 00:21:47.230 --> 00:21:52.250 past 20 years He's probably top 10 airplay every 00:21:52.250 --> 00:21:55.630 year on like a K love or air one radio or whatever 00:21:55.630 --> 00:21:58.109 Yeah, does that sway it at all? Or are you just 00:21:58.109 --> 00:22:03.339 looking at like quality of work? No So I think 00:22:03.339 --> 00:22:06.380 the issue that like I'm going to run into as 00:22:06.380 --> 00:22:08.480 we're talking through some of this stuff is I 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.599 don't listen to Christian radio and maybe I should. 00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:13.940 Yeah. Maybe that'd be helpful. Is that like a 00:22:13.940 --> 00:22:17.720 normal thing for you to like turn Caleb on? I 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:20.019 feel like the only Christian radio I probably 00:22:20.019 --> 00:22:23.700 go with is Radio U. I know in Jordan's car she 00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:26.339 usually has Caleb on, so I'll pick up. But yeah, 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:29.000 we'll go for a ride and I'll be like, hey, still 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:31.970 be back for the third time. Which I'm not saying 00:22:31.970 --> 00:22:36.329 is not a treat, but right. So that's where that's 00:22:36.329 --> 00:22:38.029 where my knowledge is going to come in a little 00:22:38.029 --> 00:22:40.630 laughing is that the stuff I'm going to listen 00:22:40.630 --> 00:22:44.470 to is going to be a little more obscure and not 00:22:44.470 --> 00:22:47.950 as probably popular as a Matthew West. And so 00:22:47.950 --> 00:22:50.950 I honestly, Brandon, I could not even tell you 00:22:50.950 --> 00:22:53.250 the name of a Brandon. What about Matthew West 00:22:53.250 --> 00:22:59.630 song? Yeah, I don't know any. I will say on here, 00:23:00.029 --> 00:23:03.130 Joel, if it helps you kind of like looking going 00:23:03.130 --> 00:23:05.950 forward on here, it does give additional rankings 00:23:05.950 --> 00:23:09.130 for some of them. And I will say that Skillet 00:23:09.130 --> 00:23:12.210 was number one on a list that's the best Christian 00:23:12.210 --> 00:23:15.849 rock bands. They're also number two on best 90s 00:23:15.849 --> 00:23:18.650 Christian alternative rock bands. Who is number 00:23:18.650 --> 00:23:21.710 one on best 90s Christian alternative rock band? 00:23:21.910 --> 00:23:24.609 Let's take a little detour and see. It's gotta 00:23:24.609 --> 00:23:28.799 be Switchfoot. It is switch foot. Okay make you 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:31.640 feel a little bit better. I David crowd pit is 00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:35.640 number five on that list. My mind is blown that 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:41.839 skillet is Beating switch foot overall for a 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:44.579 rock band though That's true. Well, I mean we 00:23:44.579 --> 00:23:47.940 we still got Eight more spots to go on this thing 00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:50.019 Well, but I just mean on that other last that 00:23:50.019 --> 00:23:52.980 skillet was number one on the rock band list. 00:23:53.019 --> 00:23:58.240 So, okay Number eight, Need to Breathe. Okay. 00:23:58.380 --> 00:24:02.019 I mean, I can see that. Need to Breathe's been 00:24:02.019 --> 00:24:06.599 popular for a while. Yeah. And interestingly 00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:09.460 enough, both in the Christian and secular marketplace. 00:24:09.500 --> 00:24:12.140 Yeah. So they've had a really good career with 00:24:12.140 --> 00:24:18.200 a broad appeal. I don't, I wonder how many, like 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:21.039 you tell me from riding in the car with your 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:24.410 wife and listening to K Love. How often does 00:24:24.410 --> 00:24:26.670 Need to Breathe get played on K -Love today? 00:24:27.630 --> 00:24:34.450 I would say I would say I don't know if I had 00:24:34.450 --> 00:24:36.730 to guess I would say probably frequently. Really? 00:24:36.809 --> 00:24:40.170 I just don't see them as like that band, but 00:24:40.170 --> 00:24:43.390 I think they're one of those bands that With 00:24:43.390 --> 00:24:45.289 kind of we talked about there's been like a shift 00:24:45.289 --> 00:24:48.430 in Christian music that it's a little more open 00:24:48.430 --> 00:24:50.450 Yeah, I think also Need to Breathe does a lot 00:24:50.450 --> 00:24:53.349 of collaborations, right? So that kind of helps 00:24:53.349 --> 00:24:57.490 it as well. Um, yeah, but all that to say that 00:24:57.490 --> 00:25:00.490 one makes sense to me. Okay. Um, I get it. Uh, 00:25:00.589 --> 00:25:05.890 number seven, uh, Mr. Jeremy Camp. People, this 00:25:05.890 --> 00:25:09.609 is all time. So this isn't even necessary. This 00:25:09.609 --> 00:25:12.089 isn't right now. That's a very best Christian 00:25:12.089 --> 00:25:15.690 bands and artists. So yeah. Is Jeremy Camp still 00:25:15.690 --> 00:25:20.150 making music? Really? Okay. I think he's back. 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:23.140 I think it's a mix because he was rock, then 00:25:23.140 --> 00:25:26.059 he just went through like a worship era for about 00:25:26.059 --> 00:25:29.119 10 years. I think he's back now to just pop, 00:25:29.539 --> 00:25:32.240 maybe? Pop. Pop worship. He's mellowed out a 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:35.859 little bit over time. I mean, I get this. I know 00:25:35.859 --> 00:25:41.380 Jeremy Camp was popular. Again, I know his first 00:25:41.380 --> 00:25:45.759 album better than like anything else. And it 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:50.099 was good. So I guess I get that, but I don't 00:25:50.099 --> 00:25:52.779 think I would have them in the top ten. Yeah, 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:56.420 that one seems a little strange to me. Yeah. 00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.700 All right. We number six, we have third day. 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.779 I mean, yeah. Third day's, I feel like third 00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:07.599 day's got to be in the top ten. They're also 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:10.099 ranked number ten on a separate list that is 00:26:10.099 --> 00:26:13.279 entitled, the best bands named after things from 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:18.299 the Bible, so. It's two top 10 lists they're 00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:20.839 in right there. There you go. Yeah. No, I think, 00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:22.599 I think that would make sense to me. Third Day's 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:28.180 had a great career. They've managed to stay relevant 00:26:28.180 --> 00:26:31.259 and on top of their game. And while they put 00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:33.660 out a couple of worship records, I think they're 00:26:33.660 --> 00:26:37.440 also still making their own music. And so they've 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.599 kind of danced the line there. Being able to 00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:42.900 stay relevant by digging into the worship stuff, 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:46.160 but still at the same time just being their own 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:49.900 thing and so I um Yeah, I think that I think 00:26:49.900 --> 00:26:53.519 that one makes a lot of sense to me. Um What 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.500 are your thoughts on that? I think so. I think 00:26:56.500 --> 00:27:00.359 they're a band that um made a huge impact in 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:07.559 the 2000s um into the 2010s I think they uh retired 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:11.589 from touring I want to say 18 or so they're they're 00:27:11.589 --> 00:27:15.730 doing another reunion show and I There's always 00:27:15.730 --> 00:27:17.849 that awkwardness of okay. They're coming back 00:27:17.849 --> 00:27:21.609 to people want to hear them But I think there's 00:27:21.609 --> 00:27:23.549 a lot of people from back in the day that love 00:27:23.549 --> 00:27:26.769 them and I think there's a I think there's a 00:27:26.769 --> 00:27:29.210 good bit of younger people that could still tell 00:27:29.210 --> 00:27:31.789 you or at least Hear a song be able to tell you. 00:27:31.789 --> 00:27:37.609 Yeah. I know that song. Yeah so Fifth place is 00:27:37.609 --> 00:27:46.440 newsboys Yeah, it tracks makes sense. Yeah Obviously 00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:51.700 Recent controversy. Mm -hmm, but but setting 00:27:51.700 --> 00:27:55.619 that aside. I mean news you guys is A band that 00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:59.380 has had great influence all the way from like 00:27:59.380 --> 00:28:06.019 early 90s. Yeah Coming out of Australia John 00:28:06.019 --> 00:28:10.160 James as a singer than Peter Furler than Michael 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:14.519 Tate and so I was most into them in their early 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:20.380 days with John James but then kind of a little 00:28:20.380 --> 00:28:24.400 bit into the Peter Furler days but yeah I mean 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:28.460 they rode the wave and they did the worship thing 00:28:28.460 --> 00:28:35.619 for years so yeah I think that one, I don't have 00:28:35.619 --> 00:28:39.380 any qualms with that. Yeah. They're also ranked 00:28:39.380 --> 00:28:42.079 number 10 on bands that currently have no original 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:46.799 members left. None? I like sharing how some of 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.660 these lists are very obscure. Yeah. I actually 00:28:49.660 --> 00:28:54.480 guess that makes sense. None. Cause yeah, I think 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.500 Jeff came in, he was like their second keyboardist. 00:28:57.500 --> 00:28:59.740 Yeah, he was. So I think that he's... He's the 00:28:59.740 --> 00:29:02.660 oldest. Yeah. But he didn't come in until... 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:06.619 Yeah, because they have like the first record 00:29:06.619 --> 00:29:09.299 that I got into by the newsboys was their album 00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:12.700 not ashamed Mm -hmm, which is a great record 00:29:12.700 --> 00:29:18.079 And they went from there to the like shine. Yeah 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:23.980 but not ashamed was excellent and But they had 00:29:23.980 --> 00:29:28.819 like two or three albums before that that I don't 00:29:28.819 --> 00:29:33.119 feel like I Never even had. Yeah I don't feel 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.119 like they were super popular ever They kind of 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.740 broke out on the not ashamed days. Yeah, but 00:29:38.740 --> 00:29:41.559 um, but they've been around for a long time So 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.619 I guess that makes sense. But also If there's 00:29:44.619 --> 00:29:46.740 a band that exists that has no original members, 00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:49.500 I mean, come on guys. Do we still need to keep 00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:53.599 doing this thing? like uh It's truly the band's 00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.740 business model. So it's weird. But yeah, all 00:29:56.740 --> 00:29:58.680 right. We're so we're down to the final four. 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:01.380 Um Joel, what's a couple of bands if you had 00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:03.180 to guess? We're down to final four. Who do you 00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:05.480 think we're gonna see in this final four? So 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:09.380 I would think that there has to be a DC talk 00:30:09.380 --> 00:30:13.099 and or Toby Mac. I don't know how you deal with 00:30:13.099 --> 00:30:15.980 that. Okay, but I would definitely think they 00:30:15.980 --> 00:30:20.460 need to be on there. I've got to think outside 00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:25.640 of just bands though and through artists. It's 00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:29.859 a hard one because because you have like a Michael 00:30:29.859 --> 00:30:33.660 to be Smith and Amy grant. Yeah, that's had immense 00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:37.480 popularity But like with people voting on the 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.380 internet today Probably not super recognizing 00:30:41.380 --> 00:30:43.440 the impact that artists like that. Yeah have 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.559 had over time and so I don't know Where they 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:51.960 would fall in there? but for me, I Feel like 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:55.700 they would be up there. Let me think who else 00:31:02.180 --> 00:31:05.680 Yeah, I don't know. Audio adrenaline? I feel 00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.859 like should be somewhere. But I feel like they 00:31:08.859 --> 00:31:12.500 would probably be under the newsboys. But I feel 00:31:12.500 --> 00:31:16.640 like they'd be over like a need to breathe. I 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:18.759 don't know. Just some thoughts. Give me number 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.680 four. All right. Number four is Mr. Chris Tomlin. 00:31:26.859 --> 00:31:29.000 It's like you get it, but you also don't get 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.980 it. I don't feel like Chris Tomlin should be 00:31:31.980 --> 00:31:37.019 on this list. I think this goes back to though 00:31:37.019 --> 00:31:40.220 our discussion that we've kind of dipped our 00:31:40.220 --> 00:31:43.480 toes into a little bit over like Christian music 00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.839 versus worship music. And that there has to be 00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.279 like a little bit of a line drawn there. I certainly 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:54.940 recognize Chris Tomlin's impact on worship music. 00:31:55.579 --> 00:32:00.960 and he probably is, of all time, the most popular 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.099 worship artist. But so, I mean, I guess I can 00:32:06.099 --> 00:32:10.220 see where that fits, but I kind of just want 00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:12.119 to draw those lines a little clear. Is there 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.420 like a worship list that he's also part of? That'll 00:32:16.420 --> 00:32:20.779 be interesting. Oh, right here he is. 21st on 00:32:20.779 --> 00:32:24.579 the best gospel singers and groups. But once 00:32:24.579 --> 00:32:27.980 again, I feel like gospel is separate from, you 00:32:27.980 --> 00:32:30.400 have like Christian rock, or if you just want 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:33.180 to say Christian music and it tells all that, 00:32:33.700 --> 00:32:40.420 then worship, then gospel. So yeah, he's also 00:32:40.420 --> 00:32:43.900 number 705 on the greatest music artist of all 00:32:43.900 --> 00:32:50.180 time. Not top 700, but still. top thousand saying 00:32:50.180 --> 00:32:54.339 something. Ranker is interesting to me. I would 00:32:54.339 --> 00:32:56.819 love to go see who the number one artist of all 00:32:56.819 --> 00:33:00.980 time is. This used to be one of our go -to me 00:33:00.980 --> 00:33:03.819 and my best friend Keith on our former podcast. 00:33:04.420 --> 00:33:06.579 We'd pull this up. It was always a really good 00:33:06.579 --> 00:33:08.240 show because it would just be Keith being like, 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.519 that's not a candy bar. Kit Kat's not a candy 00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:13.940 bar. It would always lead to some pretty good 00:33:13.940 --> 00:33:26.490 discussions. Number three, Mercy Me. Man As someone 00:33:26.490 --> 00:33:29.450 who doesn't like actively listen to mercy me, 00:33:29.609 --> 00:33:31.730 I don't think I would have them that high on 00:33:31.730 --> 00:33:36.809 the list I do think like a third day is probably 00:33:36.809 --> 00:33:41.190 more But then third day's probably never had 00:33:41.190 --> 00:33:44.549 a song that's like as impactful as I can only 00:33:44.549 --> 00:33:51.650 imagine. Mm -hmm. So I get that but Number three. 00:33:52.029 --> 00:33:57.049 Yeah, I will say it is coming from someone that 00:33:57.049 --> 00:33:59.890 There's maybe five mercy me songs that like I'd 00:33:59.890 --> 00:34:04.269 have in my rotation. Mm -hmm, but I think that 00:34:04.269 --> 00:34:08.289 Just the length of time they've been around The 00:34:08.289 --> 00:34:13.210 hits they've put up put out Even just their reputation. 00:34:13.210 --> 00:34:17.070 I think when you put everything in I think definitely 00:34:17.070 --> 00:34:23.809 top ten and I think on the Mount Rushmore, because 00:34:23.809 --> 00:34:26.489 audio adrenaline, I love audio adrenaline, but 00:34:26.489 --> 00:34:30.469 they were around for like a decade. When you 00:34:30.469 --> 00:34:33.769 look at, I don't know, Mercy Me, you have a, 00:34:33.989 --> 00:34:37.150 I mean, they were around what 90, their first 00:34:37.150 --> 00:34:43.130 album was 96, 97? Maybe, I don't know. Don't 00:34:43.130 --> 00:34:46.230 feel like really but that or at least they were 00:34:46.230 --> 00:34:48.110 popular because yeah, I probably would have been 00:34:48.110 --> 00:34:50.170 more on my radar I don't know what I can only 00:34:50.170 --> 00:34:55.389 imagine came out Let me let me do some research 00:34:55.389 --> 00:34:58.969 here While you're putting that research up. I 00:34:58.969 --> 00:35:01.309 will tell you Joel that they are ranked number 00:35:01.309 --> 00:35:07.409 41 on the top 45 best grunge bands of all time 00:35:07.409 --> 00:35:15.110 What Yeah, so I bet you didn't know that Joel. 00:35:15.670 --> 00:35:19.070 Mercy Me is not a grunge band. You know, there 00:35:19.070 --> 00:35:22.670 was just, what's weird is they are number 41. 00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:24.750 So it makes sense if they were 45 and someone 00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:27.869 just to be funny put that on there. But they 00:35:27.869 --> 00:35:30.090 beat out, there's four bands underneath them 00:35:30.090 --> 00:35:32.809 that they're like, Mercy Me is definitely more 00:35:32.809 --> 00:35:35.389 grunge. Really good grunge bands that lost out 00:35:35.389 --> 00:35:38.949 because Mercy Me is on that list. That's so interesting. 00:35:39.269 --> 00:35:43.860 They formed in 1994. They released six independent 00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:47.500 albums before they signed to a record label in 00:35:47.500 --> 00:35:50.440 2001, so I think they started hitting their like 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:55.619 popularity in 2000, early 2000s. All right, moving 00:35:55.619 --> 00:36:01.239 to number two is For King in Country. Man, this 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:07.880 is just getting harder for me. No. So for King 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:10.679 and Country is known for their like live shows 00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:16.639 But it's a lot less about The music than it is 00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.380 just about the theatrics. Yeah, I like live shows 00:36:20.380 --> 00:36:23.400 And so they're a big deal every Christmas time. 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:27.960 We just talked about this earlier. Yeah But I 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:33.320 don't know I'm not okay with that number two 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:37.269 I think a list like this the what I run into 00:36:37.269 --> 00:36:39.849 is that you don't want to be one of those people 00:36:39.849 --> 00:36:42.769 that you say, nope, the top 10 has to be bands 00:36:42.769 --> 00:36:46.289 from pre 2000 when music was good. But you also 00:36:46.289 --> 00:36:49.969 can't go out and say, you know, this, um, like, 00:36:49.989 --> 00:36:52.409 like a NASCAR, for example, there was a guy recently 00:36:52.409 --> 00:36:54.690 that he's been winning a lot of races at a certain 00:36:54.690 --> 00:36:57.309 race track. And people are like, this is the 00:36:57.309 --> 00:36:59.969 greatest driver of all time on these racetracks. 00:37:00.429 --> 00:37:03.179 And my whole take is that well there's other 00:37:03.179 --> 00:37:05.159 people that won like three straight in a row 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.639 so it's like you have to give it time before 00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:10.139 you can look back and say yeah what this guy 00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:13.639 did was incredible and i think for a band like 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:18.440 for king of country maybe down the road you get 00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.059 to see it but i think you're almost prisoner 00:37:20.059 --> 00:37:23.659 of the moment if you put um i i think even top 00:37:23.659 --> 00:37:26.900 10 you got to be careful about like like i don't 00:37:26.900 --> 00:37:31.409 like if uh if brandon lake was on top 10 Feel 00:37:31.409 --> 00:37:34.789 like he's really popular but You're putting him 00:37:34.789 --> 00:37:38.750 in front of how many other amazing bands, you 00:37:38.750 --> 00:37:41.750 know Well, yeah, I just looked them up on Spotify 00:37:41.750 --> 00:37:44.230 and they're averaging about three and a half 00:37:44.230 --> 00:37:47.250 million monthly listeners and I know from previous 00:37:47.250 --> 00:37:51.329 ones that Forced rank for instance is like eight 00:37:51.329 --> 00:37:53.710 and a half million million monthly listens And 00:37:53.710 --> 00:37:56.530 so he's like double it over doubling what they're 00:37:56.530 --> 00:37:59.710 doing. And so I'm just like how I just don't 00:37:59.260 --> 00:38:01.840 Yeah, I struggle with that number two is not 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:03.980 I think the right spot for that. Wow. It's funny. 00:38:04.019 --> 00:38:06.639 You mentioned for us frank because number one 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:12.760 No joking A lot of frustration. Um, I will tell 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.800 you number one is not for us frank. Okay. Um 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.679 So, you know, we haven't we've gone through the 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:23.019 top 10. We haven't discussed switch foot dc talk 00:38:23.019 --> 00:38:28.710 toby mac audio adrenaline amy grant, um Don't 00:38:28.710 --> 00:38:30.789 know. Who do you think five iron frenzy? Who 00:38:30.789 --> 00:38:32.789 do you think is gonna pop up in this number one 00:38:32.789 --> 00:38:34.809 less? If I were in friends, he's probably not 00:38:34.809 --> 00:38:38.929 even on this stupid list Actually, can you tell 00:38:38.929 --> 00:38:40.949 me if I were in frenzies on this list I'm looking 00:38:40.949 --> 00:38:44.610 it up now. They are 122. Okay. Well, there you 00:38:44.610 --> 00:38:51.389 go. They should be on the list I probably would 00:38:51.389 --> 00:38:58.090 have to go with I think DC talk is so out of 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:02.099 Popularity today that it's probably not them 00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:05.960 They're number 12 on the list Okay, I feel like 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.780 they they way deserve to be in the top 10 in 00:39:08.780 --> 00:39:11.500 my opinion. I don't think that there was any 00:39:11.500 --> 00:39:16.679 band That like firmly planted their feet in the 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.099 Christian market that was never as big as they 00:39:19.099 --> 00:39:23.480 were yeah at the time Nobody else is doing that 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:31.380 today and so But, Toby Mack is immensely more 00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:36.500 popular than DC Talk today. Okay. And probably 00:39:36.500 --> 00:39:41.179 gets played more than, so Toby's my guess. Okay. 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.320 You wanna know where he is on the list? It's 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.639 not number one. Huh? It's not number one. He's 00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.300 not even on the list. What? He's not even on 00:39:50.300 --> 00:39:53.699 the list. That's insane. Are you serious? Yeah. 00:39:54.369 --> 00:39:57.150 135 christian artists and no one did a vote for 00:39:57.150 --> 00:40:01.210 toby mac. He probably gets played more than Anybody 00:40:01.210 --> 00:40:03.590 on k -love, right? I don't know. I don't ever 00:40:03.590 --> 00:40:06.550 listen Yeah, I mean he's got to be played regularly. 00:40:06.909 --> 00:40:13.630 I'm that really shocks me shock like As someone 00:40:13.630 --> 00:40:17.210 who doesn't listen to toby mac i'm offended That 00:40:17.210 --> 00:40:20.110 that's the case a couple of other ones before 00:40:20.110 --> 00:40:24.090 I refer number one switch foot is number 13 Lauren 00:40:24.090 --> 00:40:27.590 Daigle is number 17. Okay. And you're number 00:40:27.590 --> 00:40:33.449 one, very best Christian band and or artist forever, 00:40:33.949 --> 00:40:44.969 Casting Crowns. Okay. All right. I'm sure Casting 00:40:44.969 --> 00:40:49.050 Crowns still gets a lot of play on K -Love. Yeah. 00:40:49.510 --> 00:40:53.510 So basically all of these people are just listening 00:40:53.510 --> 00:40:57.510 to Caleb. That's what we're talking about. Does 00:40:57.510 --> 00:41:00.269 Caleb play worship music or do they mostly just 00:41:00.269 --> 00:41:02.289 play this kind of stuff? I think they play a 00:41:02.289 --> 00:41:05.489 little bit of everything on there. Okay. So that, 00:41:05.670 --> 00:41:07.289 but people are getting Chris Tomlin probably. 00:41:07.309 --> 00:41:10.449 He gets played on Caleb. They play Phil Wickham 00:41:10.449 --> 00:41:13.050 on there. They play Maverick City. Yeah, they 00:41:13.050 --> 00:41:15.250 play them. They play Elevation. Is anything too, 00:41:15.250 --> 00:41:19.389 is any worship band too edgy for Caleb? I can 00:41:19.389 --> 00:41:23.139 give you a real fast, you can look up per like 00:41:23.139 --> 00:41:25.099 groups and all so if you wrote real fast i can 00:41:25.099 --> 00:41:27.840 tell you the top three in the different like 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.340 um generation groups oh generations yeah all 00:41:31.340 --> 00:41:33.880 right give me the so your top three is uh in 00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:38.039 baby boomers jeremy camp three michael w smith 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:41.719 two and third day first okay so you got michael 00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:44.300 w smith popping up there smitty what where was 00:41:44.300 --> 00:41:49.380 my goodby smith on the main list um I'll have 00:41:49.380 --> 00:41:51.139 to go back and look up that one because I'm done 00:41:51.139 --> 00:41:53.780 this rabbit hole. That's fine Finish the rabbit 00:41:53.780 --> 00:41:57.679 hole. Jen Xers You've got the top three as Chris 00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.079 Tomlin third Jeremy camp second and third day 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.760 first man Jeremy camp and third day They're just 00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.559 like knocking this thing out of the park I'm 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:08.699 still thinking about mercy be being in that grunge 00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:15.840 list Millennials you have lecrae third, okay 00:42:16.420 --> 00:42:22.960 second is Michael W Smith and Chris Tomlin is 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.840 first and then let's just see what the Gen Z 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:30.519 'ers are saying third is Mercy Me second is for 00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:33.739 King of Country and first is Casting Crowns okay 00:42:33.739 --> 00:42:37.199 because I was about to say where is Casting Crowns 00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.260 on any of these lists because if they weren't 00:42:39.260 --> 00:42:42.639 gonna show up then it totally didn't make sense 00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.300 that they were number one Let's see real fast. 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.139 Just for fun, we'll look up. Here's some of the 00:42:50.139 --> 00:42:52.960 ones from the southeast when it comes to Christian 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.300 music. Yeah, this is my world. Casting Crowns 00:42:55.300 --> 00:43:00.880 is eighth on there. Third day is seventh. You've 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:07.239 got, second is White Heart. White Heart? Number 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:12.170 one is Striper. Okay. They're number nine on 00:43:12.170 --> 00:43:14.230 the list of best bands named after things from 00:43:14.230 --> 00:43:17.789 the Bible. Striper. Uh -huh. Okay. So there you 00:43:17.789 --> 00:43:21.949 go. Brandon, this has been a fascinating journey. 00:43:22.170 --> 00:43:23.630 I still need you to tell me where am I going 00:43:23.630 --> 00:43:28.429 to be Smith is on the main list. He is number 00:43:28.429 --> 00:43:31.909 11 on the main list. Okay. All right. I'm feeling 00:43:31.909 --> 00:43:34.409 a little better when you tell me like 11, 12, 00:43:34.449 --> 00:43:37.780 and 13. Because I don't remember it's michael 00:43:37.780 --> 00:43:39.719 w there's michael w smith there's switch foot 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:44.340 that falls in there um So I feel like for you 00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:48.179 actually that the 11th 12th and 13th makes sense 00:43:48.179 --> 00:43:51.739 like if I would have told you First is michael 00:43:51.739 --> 00:43:55.000 w smith second is dc talk third is switch foot 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:56.579 Do you feel like you have been okay with that? 00:43:56.579 --> 00:43:58.280 I think all three of those should have been in 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:02.300 the top 10. Mm -hmm. Yeah Uh, what about keith 00:44:02.300 --> 00:44:04.760 green? He's number 21 on the list keith green 00:44:05.150 --> 00:44:10.750 Jarza Clay is 23rd. Audie generally is 27th. 00:44:11.030 --> 00:44:13.070 Jarza Clay surprised me a little bit. Where is 00:44:13.070 --> 00:44:23.469 Rich Mullins? Rich Mullins is... He's not on 00:44:23.469 --> 00:44:29.190 the list. Shame. I think he showed up one of 00:44:29.190 --> 00:44:31.269 those little side things I was searching while 00:44:31.269 --> 00:44:38.050 ago. Brandon one day. We're gonna cover Rich 00:44:38.050 --> 00:44:41.489 Mullins record a liturgy a legacy and a ragamuffin 00:44:41.489 --> 00:44:44.010 band Mm -hmm, and I'm gonna go ahead and tell 00:44:44.010 --> 00:44:48.869 you what my rating is gonna be. Yeah a five I 00:44:48.869 --> 00:44:52.150 told the guys in my huddle last week a liturgy 00:44:52.150 --> 00:44:55.769 a legacy and a ragamuffin band is for me, hands 00:44:55.769 --> 00:44:58.730 down, the greatest Christian album ever released. 00:44:59.389 --> 00:45:02.650 And so the fact that Rich Mullins is not on this 00:45:02.650 --> 00:45:06.289 list is a total travesty. August Burns Red is 00:45:06.289 --> 00:45:08.550 number 81. Does that make you feel better? No. 00:45:09.670 --> 00:45:11.670 I actually don't listen to August Burns Red. 00:45:12.409 --> 00:45:17.110 Sorry, Brad, if you're listening to this. Yeah, 00:45:17.469 --> 00:45:22.289 Dolly Parton was number 98. Dolly is our queen. 00:45:22.909 --> 00:45:27.150 Did you tell me Amy Grant? Yeah, I forget what 00:45:27.150 --> 00:45:30.389 her number was. Elvis Presley is 116. My dad 00:45:30.389 --> 00:45:35.250 would be proud. I'm about to share a really unpopular 00:45:35.250 --> 00:45:37.210 opinion that I'm like, this list is saying Elvis 00:45:37.210 --> 00:45:40.510 was better than Toby Mack. Only a weirdo would 00:45:40.510 --> 00:45:45.110 say that. Amy Grant was 34th. Okay, that's so 00:45:45.110 --> 00:45:47.460 weird. That's a weird one. So there you go. If 00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:50.139 you guys are interested, like I said, it's ranker 00:45:50.139 --> 00:45:55.579 .com r a n k e r. If you search Christian music, 00:45:55.619 --> 00:45:58.420 you'll find the very best Christian bands and 00:45:58.420 --> 00:46:01.519 artists. Brandon, these these things are ongoing. 00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:05.980 So I can literally go to ranker today and vote. 00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:09.719 Yeah. So I'm gonna encourage everyone that listens 00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:13.460 to this podcast to go to ranker and fix this 00:46:13.460 --> 00:46:18.500 list For some artists that really deserve to 00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:22.500 be in there So I myself I'm gonna go put in a 00:46:22.500 --> 00:46:26.699 vote for number 11 number 12 and number 13 To 00:46:26.699 --> 00:46:29.280 be a little higher. Let's get switch foot in 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:33.099 the top 10 It'll be a great day Well, it looks 00:46:33.099 --> 00:46:34.679 like you don't even need an accountant to vote. 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:39.289 So yeah Can we spam it? Well, I will just say 00:46:39.289 --> 00:46:41.409 I just up voted casting crown. So I think I hurt 00:46:41.409 --> 00:46:50.210 your cause You did that on purpose shame on you 00:46:50.210 --> 00:46:53.590 I just moved DC talked to number 11 though, so 00:46:53.590 --> 00:46:59.030 How did you do that I guess just one vote of 00:46:59.030 --> 00:47:01.730 uh, alright so we can make this happen if that's 00:47:01.730 --> 00:47:05.559 the case Hey, are you listening listeners? Please 00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:09.019 go to ranker And uh, let's uh, let's let's fix 00:47:09.019 --> 00:47:11.519 this thing. I just voted down casting crowns 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.579 though Is that what you want me to do is to attack 00:47:13.579 --> 00:47:18.380 these other? Just so we're clear I'm not going 00:47:18.380 --> 00:47:21.860 for war against anybody I just want people to 00:47:21.860 --> 00:47:24.599 vote their conscience on artists that they love 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:26.440 All right. Don't worry. I'll just don't vote 00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:34.039 the whole top 10 There's some good artists in 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:38.400 the top 10. Be careful. This has been really 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:40.980 interesting to dig into. Thanks for bringing 00:47:40.980 --> 00:47:46.440 this to our attention. I'm grateful that we got 00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.219 to examine that and I'm sure that some of you 00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:53.280 probably agree or disagree with us and that's 00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:56.320 okay because you can make your voice heard. So 00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.559 we encourage you to go do that just as I will 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.239 as soon as we end this. And so Brandon, thanks 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:03.820 for digging into that. Let's talk a little bit 00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:17.670 about our lyric of the week. All right, so this 00:48:17.670 --> 00:48:20.989 week our lyric of the week comes from star flyer 00:48:20.989 --> 00:48:24.449 59 Since our podcast is inspired by star flyer 00:48:24.449 --> 00:48:27.829 59 and this comes from star flyers Disney covers 00:48:27.829 --> 00:48:33.230 album I'm just kidding. It's not No, this comes 00:48:33.230 --> 00:48:36.929 from the star flyer song you're mean and the 00:48:36.929 --> 00:48:41.170 lyric is you're mean or so it seems You've got 00:48:41.170 --> 00:48:46.920 everything but the one I need interesting lyric 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:50.679 from Jason Martin. Well, it's been a joy having 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:53.659 you guys with us this week. Don't forget to go 00:48:53.659 --> 00:48:57.099 and find us out there on the webs, on social 00:48:57.099 --> 00:49:01.400 media, on Facebook, on X. 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