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Are you listening? This ain't no quiet thing

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We're screaming out our lungs All right, welcome

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friends to Hey Are You Listening? This is a podcast

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exploring the past, present, and future of Christian

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music. My name is Joel and I'm here with my good

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friend Brandon. And we connected over mutual

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love of some certain artists, but also have different

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tastes when it comes to things. And so we get

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to expose each other to new things while inviting

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some friends along for the ride from time to

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time. And we actually have a guest with us today.

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and so you may know him. I'm from his work on

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your PV guitar amp or his time in the bands Bellador

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and Ransom Tree. He's a worship leader and my

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college roommate and best friend, Mr. John Paul

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Dove. JP, how are you, my friend? Man, it is

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great to be on this podcast. I've, you know,

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I've been on the outside looking in just like,

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let me in there. You got it. You guys are having

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such a great time. And anyway, man, it's, it's,

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you're falling. Yeah. So, um, but yeah, it's

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just great to great to be here to connect with

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you. Anyway, it's always good to catch up, but,

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uh, You know, anytime we get together, it's always

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music. Anyway, that's that's kind of the thing

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we talk about. So that's right, man. It's a perfect

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fit. This is it's it's a natural thing. Yeah,

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we're super thankful to have you here with us

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today. Yeah, it's been for me and you music from

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the beginning that kind of drew us together.

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Beginning. Yeah, I think I met you. I was I was

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playing bass for a couple of guys that were in

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my youth group that started music thing and we

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were doing auditions for guitar players and I

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think you came in to audition and the day that

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you're you remind me if I'm right or wrong about

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this but the day that you auditioned, they decided

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that they actually didn't want to do this anymore.

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And they wanted to go back to singing with tracks

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or something and not have a band. I was like,

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how that's not very rock and roll. I was like,

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I was like, what is this? Say, say, yeah, that

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used to be a thing singing to tracks. Yep. It

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was, it was. It was like karaoke for church.

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Yeah, it was the thing to do. It's pretty fun

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But yeah, and so I think we decided that day.

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Well, if they don't want us We'll just start

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our own thing and go from there. Yeah, we did

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and Do you what year was that? I was trying to

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I Think it what was it? Was it 95? It's probably

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95 it had to have been 95. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

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I think so But yeah, I remember that and then

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we we just We kind of had a constant rotation

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of people that we were playing with. There's

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no doubt about that. Yeah. But you and I always

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stuck it out together until I eventually quit.

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Yeah, until we got enough of that, you know,

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decided, hey, you know, as much as stinky vans

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are fun, I think I'd rather get married and,

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you know, start an actual life. Oh, yeah. Classic

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story. Classic story of a woman coming in and

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she was she was completely worth it, though.

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And she still is every day. Oh, you you you made

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you made a great decision. I'll never regret

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that one. That's cool, man. Well, I'm so excited

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for us to be able to talk through this today.

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Tell you tell us a little bit, John Paul, like.

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for you, like, how did how did Christian music

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kind of enter into your story in your world?

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Like, how did you get involved? Well, I think

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for me, like just music in general, like, I mean,

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I heard you guys talking in one of the previous

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episodes, you are talking about, you know, your

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history with Christian music and or just music

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in general. And, you know, I had a very similar

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experience to you, Joe, in the sense that music

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was just always there. I learned to play guitar

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with my dad and then my grandfather was always

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singing. Some of the early Christian music that

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I remember was actually written by Hank Williams.

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or like Johnny Cash, like his, some of his stuff.

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But that's what I, you know, that's how I discovered

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music in general. And, but yeah, just the, getting

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into that kind of music, learning it, and then

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just at church, it just, you know, they find

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out, oh, you play guitar. And so they, you know,

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the They want to put you up there and on the

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stage every now and then to show you off. But,

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but, you know, I was, I mean, I'm sure it was

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awful, but so I just, I just started, I just

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started, you know, learning, learning to play

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some of the standards and, and, uh, you know,

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it was really interesting. It wasn't really until

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I met you, Joel, until I really, uh, It as far

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as like Christian music outside of just church

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music. Yeah And it was right about that time

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I remember I was in a I'd go into a camp down

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at Gulf Shores Baptist assembly And there was

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it was the first time I ever walked into I guess

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it was a life way. Yeah, and so I saw this section

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of CDs or cassette tapes and started looking

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through it and I was like, wait a minute. I think

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the very first record I ever bought was Big Tent

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Revival. Yeah, Big Tent Revival. And I remember

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learning to play that song, Two Sets of Joneses.

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If I'm not mistaken, I had met you, and then

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you introduced me to Pray for Rain, PFR. And

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I remember at some point seeing jars of clay

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when they first came out. It was at a church,

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it was some youth night, and I went to it. And

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I don't know, I just started... you know, it

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was just kind of eye -opening to me. But I think

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the majority of, you know, my experience with

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Christian music probably wasn't until I got into

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college. Right. You know, I learned a lot of

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my, I got exposed to a lot of Christian music

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actually outside of the world of church music

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in particular, mostly from you and some of our

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mutual friends. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. JP and

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I are in our room together in college. Our lives

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kind of melded together at a deep level for a

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few years at that point. Absolutely. One of us

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was getting exposed to something, the other one

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was too, which was kind of fun. Right. Well,

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you know, one of my memories is... My exposure

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to most of the music I was listening to is that

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at that time was usually riding in either your

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truck I was riding shotgun there and you would

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go through your stack of CDs your your Your binder.

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Yeah, you'd say hey, you got to check this out.

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So we'd put that in and listen to it or You know

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on the way to Waffle House or something And then

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eventually in the van as we were traveling around

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which was fun. Yeah Yeah, we had an old an old

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GMC van. I don't know what year that man was,

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but yeah, we traveled around and Yeah, rest in

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peace Reggie Yeah, we named our van Reggie. Yeah

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All right. Well today let's we're gonna I'm gonna

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Give a game to you guys just kind of a fun way

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for us to get thinking and talking about some

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of this And so this is a new game called guilty

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pleasures And so this is something we're all

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all three of us are gonna do where we name two

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guilty pleasures For us for ourselves in the

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CCM world meaning that like it could be an artist.

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It could be an album It could be a song but something

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that like you probably wouldn't readily want

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other people to know that like you're like actually

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really into this this thing so Yeah, what's a

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what what is the guilty pleasure for you? Okay

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Well, well, I've got several, but well, here's

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the thing. Guilty. When you, when you, when you

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look like me, I'd have lost all shame years ago,

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but I will say that I do still pull out T -bone.

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I will still listen. Okay. So here, here's the

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deal. Look when. when you when you're having

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to deal with TPS reports that work and Copiers

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aren't working and things like that But you still

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want to represent Jesus. Well, you know, that's

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that's kind of Yeah, so so I definitely I'll

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have to listen to some some Christian gangster

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rap if that makes So you're you're still a lyrical

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assassin, huh? Yeah, I don't I don't know if

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theologically if that checks out or not I Hear

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yeah, it definitely feels good, you know, so

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that's funny. Take that demons Yes, some of those

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early Christian rap records were I think the

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first CD that I ever bought was the dynamic twins

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which was like a Christian rap record. But yeah,

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I was pretty into that for a little while, for

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sure. Yeah, I remember that. It's good stuff.

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So I'm just gonna, I'm gonna throw one out and

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we can kind of go bounce around. But for me,

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one that I think I've learned to appreciate more

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over time is Amy Grant, guys. Oh man. Amy Grant

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is so good. Um, such a great singer, such a good

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songwriter, um, from baby baby, but especially

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the Christmas music. I feel like nobody does

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Christmas music like Amy Grant. And so I'm here

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for it. Yeah. Just bring it. Yeah. She really

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does. I was thinking about that too. Yeah. Amy,

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Amy grant. She's awesome. What about you, Brandon?

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I... For me, it was a struggle because I feel

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like even weird stuff I listen to, I'm very like

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Danielson. I'm like, I think that's... It's weird

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and good. For me, one that came to mind was...

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Do you guys remember the To Save a Life movie

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that came out? Yep. There was an original rap

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song they did by some guy named J. Russ. And

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it's just this like Italian guy that has like

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an afro and he does this like it's supposed to

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be a really cool rap song because it's supposed

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to be like, oh, we did a live concert for this.

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And I feel like it's so cringy, but it's like

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if I wanted to put someone in the background

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that's just like, yeah, you move to or whatever.

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That's what I'm playing. Yeah. J Russ. There

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you go. I don't know it, but I will check it

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out. That's pretty awesome. JP, you got any more?

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Man, you know I'm not I'm not really ashamed

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of it. But I mean, I'm a I'm a big fan of rich

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Mullins But there are a few of his of his tracks

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that I have to admit Instrumentally or kind of

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cheesy, but I still I still are they sound dated

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But uh, but I still rock out to awesome. God.

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I love that And yeah Yeah, I love it. I mean

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like like his stuff is amazing and and then there

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are some things that I do listen to that I can't

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listen to around anyone else because for one

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thing it just like You know few left standing

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I Get in I get in the mood for it and it's like

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even my kids are like what is wrong with you?

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And I'm just like Sometimes you just got to open

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up the pit. I don't know. I mean, but, but I

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just, I just have to do it. And I, and I, you

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know, and then all the nice ladies at church,

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they just, you know, they look at you like, what?

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Yeah. I just have to keep that to myself. And

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those guys are awesome. There's nothing to be

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ashamed of there. I'm not ashamed of it, but

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it's just, I have to, I have to listen to it

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by myself. You know, I will say that I don't

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think I want to use this platform as a way to

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attack people, but looking through trying to

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choose cringy music, I came across, I got to

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call out someone on Spotify. There's a playlist

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that's cringy Christian music. I click on it

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and it's all just Toby Maxx songs. So someone

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out there named Rachel. It's cool and I was so

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just I was like Rachel what so, you know, I don't

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know this Rachel person But I just felt personally

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attacked the in it. Listen, there's some stuff

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that I'll give it to you might be a little cringy

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But I felt like it was it wasn't questionable

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stuff So just there's Rachel out there that in

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her mind if she was here right now, she would

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say you want cringe go listen to some That one

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hurt a little bit, huh? It did. I felt personally

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attacked. Oh my goodness. I'm so sorry. I had

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to experience that. I met him two years ago at

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an expo in California for work. But yeah, he

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ended up being played a surprise show there.

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So I did get to it, man. He puts on a great show.

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Part of me was really worried that John Paul

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is about to share. Like, yeah, I met him. Worst

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guy ever. Oh, no, no, he was a super. Yeah, I

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met him and his bass player at the time. OK,

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they came by or boost. Yeah, that's really cool.

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I heard he has a next door neighbor. Mm hmm.

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Sorry. I'm going back to the Stephen Kirsten

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episode. Got to be true. Got to be true. Even

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Curtis Chapman. Yeah. All right. So let me just

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throw one more out here. This is hard This is

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hard for me because yeah, I I feel like I Don't

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know we've already covered this we've already

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covered this band I think to most people the

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fact that I am a big Sixpence none the richer

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fan might be something that they would look at

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and say That's got to be a guilty pleasure because

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kiss me like you're into that And I'm 100 % into

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it. But also even more and everything else that

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they've put out. So, yeah, I'll go with Sixpence

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as as like another one for me, but deeply like.

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Nothing to be ashamed there. No, they're such

00:16:59.289 --> 00:17:01.610
a good band, such a good band. All right. Well,

00:17:01.610 --> 00:17:03.110
let's talk about what we've been listening to

00:17:03.110 --> 00:17:06.490
lately. So in the Christian music world, what's

00:17:06.490 --> 00:17:07.869
what's something you guys have been listening

00:17:07.869 --> 00:17:13.950
to lately? I've been, uh, I've been listening

00:17:13.950 --> 00:17:19.309
to that new, uh, John Van Dusen. Uh, yeah, that's,

00:17:19.309 --> 00:17:23.750
I'm still not over that third record. I go back

00:17:23.750 --> 00:17:28.190
to it and listen to it all the time. What's,

00:17:28.190 --> 00:17:30.930
what's the name of it? It's escaping me. The

00:17:30.930 --> 00:17:34.970
I am origami part two, that one. Yes. Yeah. Uh,

00:17:34.970 --> 00:17:40.650
yeah. Yeah. So good. Yeah. Yeah. JP I put the

00:17:40.650 --> 00:17:42.930
same thing down because that record just came

00:17:42.930 --> 00:17:47.849
out. I think this past Friday Yeah Yeah, you

00:17:47.849 --> 00:17:50.750
sent it to me. I did. Yeah. Yes as long as I

00:17:50.750 --> 00:17:54.349
am in the tent of this body I will Make a joyful

00:17:54.349 --> 00:17:57.450
noise. So the longest album title outside of

00:17:57.450 --> 00:18:00.730
probably like it something Sufjan was done over

00:18:00.730 --> 00:18:06.289
time, but 18 songs on that record. And there's

00:18:06.289 --> 00:18:09.769
a part two coming because he couldn't fit them

00:18:09.769 --> 00:18:13.690
all. In the end, it'll be like a triple record,

00:18:13.710 --> 00:18:19.789
basically. But it's so good. Yeah, I can't wait

00:18:19.789 --> 00:18:22.369
to cover some John Van Dusen on this podcast.

00:18:23.890 --> 00:18:29.589
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he he is he is incredible.

00:18:30.009 --> 00:18:35.920
And and You know, I listen to I like John Mark

00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:39.000
McMillan a lot. I'm always coming back to his

00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:44.839
yeah to his music Rest in peace Yeah, he just

00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:49.119
just officially like quit making music John Mark

00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:56.410
McMillan. Oh, yeah, sadly, yeah Sorry, I didn't

00:18:56.410 --> 00:18:58.049
mean to drop that on you in the middle of the

00:18:58.049 --> 00:19:05.329
podcast. No, I thought he like when you said

00:19:05.329 --> 00:19:12.130
rest in peace. It could have been worse. I was

00:19:12.130 --> 00:19:14.549
like, dude, it's all right, brother. Take a break.

00:19:14.710 --> 00:19:18.009
Don't write a song for a little while. Yeah.

00:19:18.450 --> 00:19:23.069
Yeah. I'm just glad you're okay. Anyway. Yeah.

00:19:23.230 --> 00:19:26.369
It's a really good one. Brandon, what about you?

00:19:27.410 --> 00:19:31.609
I've rediscovered recently, it's a side project

00:19:31.609 --> 00:19:36.589
of Mark Solomon and Steve, his name's Dale, but

00:19:36.589 --> 00:19:41.650
it's a side project called White Lighter and

00:19:41.650 --> 00:19:45.089
it's just a one -off album they released 10 years

00:19:45.089 --> 00:19:48.089
ago, but I discovered it two or three years ago

00:19:48.089 --> 00:19:54.650
and it's sort of this... This this hidden the

00:19:54.650 --> 00:19:57.049
third album of neon horse is the best way to

00:19:57.049 --> 00:20:00.049
describe it is that it feels it's the same voices

00:20:00.049 --> 00:20:02.450
it's it's a lot of the same people that are still

00:20:02.450 --> 00:20:05.250
involved with it like Jason Martin is still involved

00:20:05.250 --> 00:20:09.990
in the Production of it. So it feels so much

00:20:09.990 --> 00:20:14.569
like neon horse So it's a really cool just kind

00:20:14.569 --> 00:20:19.250
of this strange like album. And I mean, I think

00:20:19.250 --> 00:20:22.329
it gets maybe about 70 listens on Spotify a month

00:20:22.329 --> 00:20:25.589
and probably 50 of those are me. But so it's

00:20:25.589 --> 00:20:28.930
just this like very hidden, obscure album. But

00:20:28.930 --> 00:20:31.529
like it's it's 30 minutes of just really good

00:20:31.529 --> 00:20:36.130
music. Mark Solomon, that voice. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

00:20:36.829 --> 00:20:39.339
That's awesome. I love that. So one of the things

00:20:39.339 --> 00:20:42.859
we'd like to do when we have a guest on is to

00:20:42.859 --> 00:20:45.279
let our guests bring one of their favorite records

00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:47.940
to us for us to get to spend some time with.

00:20:48.539 --> 00:20:50.859
So John Paul, what album have you brought for

00:20:50.859 --> 00:20:56.779
us to talk about today? Well, The Hunger by Seven

00:20:56.779 --> 00:21:05.079
Day Jesus. Yes, it is. It was one of those records

00:21:05.079 --> 00:21:08.059
when I heard it. It kind of started to put a

00:21:08.059 --> 00:21:14.420
lot of things together for me. Because at that

00:21:14.420 --> 00:21:21.019
particular time, I was really growing spiritually.

00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.079
But all the music I was listening to, again,

00:21:26.140 --> 00:21:29.059
you know, bands, I mean, listening to Rich Mullins,

00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:33.319
listening to You know trying to get some meat

00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:39.559
some theology But then but then also like I was

00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:44.200
really getting into indie rock music and It was

00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:46.819
just kind of like they all came together with

00:21:46.819 --> 00:21:51.980
that record and I was like wow, this is It I

00:21:51.980 --> 00:21:55.240
was like, oh, this is interesting Like like I

00:21:55.240 --> 00:22:01.160
need I need to I need to digest this record Yeah,

00:22:01.339 --> 00:22:04.180
I was trying to think back on this one, too.

00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:09.799
I can't remember what exposed me to Seven Day

00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:13.019
Jesus as I think through it. It might have just

00:22:13.019 --> 00:22:16.720
been a five minute walk record sampler. It was.

00:22:17.019 --> 00:22:21.940
It was. I do remember. I do remember because

00:22:21.940 --> 00:22:27.640
because you and I, I think we. I remember us

00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:30.299
talking about it because it was a sampler that.

00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:34.859
One of their take time to listen. Yeah, it was

00:22:34.859 --> 00:22:38.480
five iron frenzy. I mean, that was we were getting

00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.980
really into them. But but yeah, but heard this

00:22:41.980 --> 00:22:48.660
this thing and I was like, OK. Wait, so. So it's

00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:52.670
like a little bit of. sunny day real estate like

00:22:52.670 --> 00:22:54.849
you can kind of you can kind of hear that sort

00:22:54.849 --> 00:22:58.589
of yeah indie rock that little beginnings of

00:22:58.589 --> 00:23:03.730
emo but then it was i was like man i don't know

00:23:03.730 --> 00:23:06.470
there's just something about the lyrics like

00:23:06.470 --> 00:23:10.990
there's some meat here you know and uh i was

00:23:10.990 --> 00:23:15.869
like man i need to explore that i was thinking

00:23:15.869 --> 00:23:19.079
about it today it's kind of like I was like,

00:23:19.339 --> 00:23:26.319
it's basically Presbyterian Weezer. I was like,

00:23:27.019 --> 00:23:32.980
wow, I'm so depraved. This is a great hook. That's

00:23:32.980 --> 00:23:42.039
a great way to put it. Yeah, I remember I was

00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:44.799
eating up. Brandon knows this already. I was

00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.779
eating up everything tooth and nail and and then

00:23:47.779 --> 00:23:49.740
when I found five iron frenzy started listening

00:23:49.740 --> 00:23:51.740
to all then there's all these five minute walk

00:23:51.740 --> 00:23:55.019
bands as well and so I'm like buying all these

00:23:55.019 --> 00:23:56.900
samplers and so I'm pretty sure it was one of

00:23:56.900 --> 00:23:59.759
their take time to listen samplers that came

00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:02.000
out that kind of exposed us to seven day Jesus.

00:24:02.140 --> 00:24:05.119
Do you remember going did you go with me to see

00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:10.759
seven day Jesus play in Jackson? Yes. I do remember

00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:14.099
us going to see Seven Day Jesus, yes. I can't

00:24:14.099 --> 00:24:17.059
remember who they play with. Super weird tour.

00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:22.380
So Seven Day Jesus was second. I think the opener

00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:27.839
opener was All -Star United before their first

00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:31.799
record came out. And the headliner was third

00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:37.529
day. I do. Yep, that's I absolutely remember

00:24:37.529 --> 00:24:41.329
that. What a bizarro tour. But this was like

00:24:41.329 --> 00:24:43.809
when third day was still like it was like right

00:24:43.809 --> 00:24:46.009
around when the first record came out. They were

00:24:46.009 --> 00:24:48.849
like edgy. They weren't like mainstream CCM at

00:24:48.849 --> 00:24:52.210
this point. Yeah, it was like consuming fire.

00:24:52.210 --> 00:24:57.150
I think, yeah, that first record. Yeah. Man,

00:24:57.150 --> 00:25:00.789
that was a fun time. What a time to be alive.

00:25:02.159 --> 00:25:07.359
It really was. That was a really awesome show.

00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.259
I remember having a conversation. I remember

00:25:11.259 --> 00:25:13.700
meeting Brian McSweeney, who's the lead singer

00:25:13.700 --> 00:25:17.240
of 7 to Jesus at that show. Super down to earth

00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:23.039
guy. And I was totally fanboying, just like getting

00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:24.940
the chance to talk to him. And I remember him

00:25:24.940 --> 00:25:27.160
asking me, I was talking about how much I love

00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:29.819
the record. And he was like, we're working on

00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:32.910
the second one. He's like, what would you want

00:25:32.910 --> 00:25:36.509
to be different about, like, another record from

00:25:36.509 --> 00:25:38.670
us? And I was like, I've never had an artist

00:25:38.670 --> 00:25:42.069
ask me that before. And I think I remember I

00:25:42.069 --> 00:25:43.950
remember telling him, it'd be cool to put some

00:25:43.950 --> 00:25:46.250
acoustic guitar on there, which they ended up

00:25:46.250 --> 00:25:48.430
putting a lot of acoustic guitar on that second

00:25:48.430 --> 00:25:52.390
record. So I like to think that I was very influential

00:25:52.390 --> 00:25:56.009
in the forefront. Second release by Seven Day

00:25:56.009 --> 00:26:00.839
Jesus that came out just the next year. I think

00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:10.500
you, I think you probably were. I think so. I

00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:15.619
mean, I mean, he probably knew who he was talking

00:26:15.619 --> 00:26:21.160
to. He got a sense of it. This. Oh yeah. No,

00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:25.099
not at all. But, um, but I I'd love to get into

00:26:25.099 --> 00:26:27.819
that second record at some point too, because

00:26:27.819 --> 00:26:31.960
so. This first album just some opening thoughts

00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:33.880
and then we'll talk about it. So a little bit

00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.279
of info Before we dig into it. So a little bio

00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.359
on it. So the hunger is the first album released

00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:46.460
by 7a Jesus Came out in 1996 They recorded with

00:26:46.460 --> 00:26:50.680
future 500 frenzy producer Masaki Liu and plank

00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:55.640
guy bassist Lewis Garcia It was released on five

00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.190
-minute walk records with its follow up coming

00:26:58.190 --> 00:27:00.869
out on four front records. And so they moved

00:27:00.869 --> 00:27:03.410
from this independent label to kind of one of

00:27:03.410 --> 00:27:06.829
the big heavy hitter labels. So many Jesus toured

00:27:06.829 --> 00:27:09.950
the hunger with Plank Guy and Fold Zandura and

00:27:09.950 --> 00:27:12.630
a longer tour with All Star United and Third

00:27:12.630 --> 00:27:15.130
Day, which we were able to to catch them on.

00:27:16.630 --> 00:27:21.690
So that OK, so this record, like you said, John

00:27:21.690 --> 00:27:25.089
Paul, for me, it carries a lot of that early

00:27:25.549 --> 00:27:30.349
kind of emo vibe in the days of a band like Sunday

00:27:30.349 --> 00:27:32.170
Day Real Estate where we're bridging the gap

00:27:32.170 --> 00:27:37.309
between alternative music and what would become

00:27:37.309 --> 00:27:41.690
emo. And so it's kind of, it's in an interesting

00:27:41.690 --> 00:27:45.410
spot musically there because you have to think

00:27:45.410 --> 00:27:49.910
about this. So this record came out in 96. 1995

00:27:49.910 --> 00:27:55.019
is when Jesus Freak came out. by DC Talk, which

00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:58.779
was kind of like alternative is everything in

00:27:58.779 --> 00:28:01.279
Christian music. And then you have a band like

00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:06.039
7A Jesus, just the next year say, well, actually

00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.079
we're already like progressing into something

00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:12.559
else. And so it's a pretty progressive record

00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:17.200
in that sense at its time. It really was. Yeah.

00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.519
And so it was really just ahead of its time.

00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:24.410
Yeah. And then they do a follow up just one year

00:28:24.410 --> 00:28:29.849
later, which is very different. A lot more pop

00:28:29.849 --> 00:28:34.910
and a lot more hooks and a lot better production,

00:28:35.470 --> 00:28:37.950
obviously, because it's on forefront records.

00:28:38.069 --> 00:28:42.410
And at the time, I was so enamored with. this

00:28:42.410 --> 00:28:44.630
early seven day Jesus that I'm like, what is

00:28:44.630 --> 00:28:50.049
this garbage? I didn't super love it. But man,

00:28:50.109 --> 00:28:52.029
as I go back and listen to that second record

00:28:52.029 --> 00:28:56.430
now, I'm like, this thing's so good. It's it's

00:28:56.430 --> 00:28:59.009
a phenomenal album. And I think it rivals like

00:28:59.009 --> 00:29:02.089
anything that forefront records put out. And

00:29:02.089 --> 00:29:03.809
so I'm looking forward to talking about that

00:29:03.809 --> 00:29:08.289
one day, too. So, Brandon, for you, this is your

00:29:08.289 --> 00:29:11.779
first listen. Yeah, so I don't know if you have

00:29:11.779 --> 00:29:14.900
any kind of opening thoughts or anything that

00:29:14.900 --> 00:29:19.279
We'll dive into it going into this I never listened

00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:22.579
this band and for whatever reason I thought that

00:29:22.579 --> 00:29:26.079
they were like this like Chris Tomlin type like

00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.799
worship like a 90s Chris Tomlin So yeah going

00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:34.519
into this that was my thoughts. Yeah It ended

00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:36.900
up being a little different. Yeah, a little different.

00:29:37.299 --> 00:29:41.130
Yeah, that's fun I love that. Well, let's kind

00:29:41.130 --> 00:29:44.230
of get into it track by track. Um, the hunger

00:29:44.230 --> 00:29:48.890
70 Jesus. Um, yeah, JP, you have any more opening

00:29:48.890 --> 00:29:54.549
thoughts before we kind of dig into it? Um, no,

00:29:54.970 --> 00:29:56.990
no, I think it was just, let's just dig into

00:29:56.990 --> 00:30:00.809
it. Just one, one thing that I would say, um,

00:30:00.809 --> 00:30:02.990
and I think it's going to become very clear.

00:30:03.490 --> 00:30:09.240
Um, I Brian McSweeney was the best vocalist in

00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:14.160
Christian music in 1996. Yeah, it wasn't even

00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:18.940
close. Yeah, hands down. What what an incredible

00:30:18.940 --> 00:30:21.440
singer. I was reading an interview with him to

00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.059
do some research for this and it was talking

00:30:23.059 --> 00:30:26.160
about like all of his musical influences. And

00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.319
he talked about he was talking about bands that

00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.900
he liked, like I don't, Pavement and a lot of

00:30:31.900 --> 00:30:35.539
these like heavier whatever bands. But he's cited

00:30:35.539 --> 00:30:38.420
as his main vocal influence, Michael English,

00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:42.839
if you remember him. Which he does sing a lot

00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.920
like Michael English, which is just kind of interesting.

00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.160
So that's a very, he has a very CCM like vocal

00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:53.079
influence on top of this like really heavy kind

00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:55.839
of music, which is just a fascinating combination.

00:30:57.890 --> 00:31:01.549
All right. So track by track first song on the

00:31:01.549 --> 00:31:05.089
hunger is a time to heal. What do you guys think

00:31:05.089 --> 00:31:12.970
about this one? I would I would be curious to

00:31:12.970 --> 00:31:22.250
to to hear to hear the new guys. So yes. Yeah.

00:31:22.269 --> 00:31:25.069
So every week I feel like I talk about how I

00:31:25.069 --> 00:31:29.059
feel like the first song is Maybe the most important

00:31:29.059 --> 00:31:31.319
because it really sets the tone because there's

00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:34.680
some albums that The first track is just like

00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:36.299
terrible and it's like you have to you're almost

00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:39.539
digging yourself out of the hole Yeah, but like

00:31:39.539 --> 00:31:41.660
I said going into it. I'm expecting it to be

00:31:41.660 --> 00:31:45.710
this like don't know this like some strings and

00:31:45.710 --> 00:31:49.130
very soft and piano so it was a really nice surprise

00:31:49.130 --> 00:31:52.049
to be like oh that's not what this band is yeah

00:31:52.049 --> 00:31:56.450
so for me I I think it was a great opener like

00:31:56.450 --> 00:32:00.519
it is someone who For me, I have no buy -in of

00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.779
this album is good or bad or anything. But immediately

00:32:04.779 --> 00:32:07.420
when it hits, I want to listen to more like it's

00:32:07.420 --> 00:32:10.880
I'm excited to dive into this album. So I think

00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.799
that's that's always cool when it's like I said,

00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:15.839
for me, it's like this might be one of the worst

00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.660
albums I've ever listened to. But it's oh, I

00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:20.880
want to dive into this. So yeah, I feel like

00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.640
it's a great guitar. But yeah, like it's as an

00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.480
as a new person going into this, it hooked me.

00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:31.740
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like this one, um, it's

00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:33.740
got a good amount of energy kind of going into

00:32:33.740 --> 00:32:37.279
it. Um, you get, you get where the name of the

00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.079
band, seven day Jesus comes from. Um, because

00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:43.099
he says in the lyrics, not just Sunday, like

00:32:43.099 --> 00:32:46.240
the idea of like every day we want to be pursuing

00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.940
Jesus and following Jesus. Um, I do feel like

00:32:49.940 --> 00:32:53.660
this, this song is kind of like, um, It's a showcase

00:32:53.660 --> 00:32:55.500
for what the whole album is going to be like

00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:57.859
it sits kind of in the middle or the center of

00:32:57.859 --> 00:33:02.500
like where the album moves. Yeah, so it just

00:33:02.500 --> 00:33:05.339
kind of fits really well as as an opening track.

00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:12.160
Yeah. What do you think? Yeah. Well, I mean,

00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:17.740
I was just blowing like. I don't know. I think

00:33:17.740 --> 00:33:20.400
you've you've you've said so much about it already,

00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:25.140
but it's just I don't know, it was just to me,

00:33:26.299 --> 00:33:32.539
from my experience, kind of where I was when

00:33:32.539 --> 00:33:39.059
this record came out, I think that was, it really

00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:43.799
spoke to me because so much of the music that

00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:47.180
was out was, especially in Christian music was

00:33:47.180 --> 00:33:51.529
just very, everything was happy, just very, you

00:33:51.529 --> 00:33:54.589
know, bubbly, if you will. But but I'm hearing

00:33:54.589 --> 00:33:59.089
something in this that's like, you know, it's

00:33:59.089 --> 00:34:05.569
I'm not being very clear right now, but something

00:34:05.569 --> 00:34:08.710
a little deeper and more. Well, it just did.

00:34:08.769 --> 00:34:11.510
It was like, you know, sometimes walking, like

00:34:11.510 --> 00:34:14.010
getting into the deep things of the Lord, like

00:34:14.010 --> 00:34:17.030
there's a lot of pain there. There's a lot of

00:34:17.030 --> 00:34:20.519
death, dying, dying to self. Like it's a painful

00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:24.860
process. And here's somebody singing about that

00:34:24.860 --> 00:34:28.260
very thing. And I'm just like, okay, I can connect

00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:33.960
with this. This feels authentic to where I was

00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.460
at at the time. I think that's why it meant so

00:34:36.460 --> 00:34:41.340
much to me. That's good. I love that. Let's move

00:34:41.340 --> 00:34:44.539
on to strength. Joel, what are you thinking about

00:34:44.539 --> 00:34:49.210
strength? So strength is one of my favorite tracks

00:34:49.210 --> 00:34:54.670
on the record I love I love that the opening

00:34:54.670 --> 00:34:57.929
of it Just like the you get a sense from just

00:34:57.929 --> 00:35:00.329
this picking of this guitar like where this is

00:35:00.329 --> 00:35:02.610
going I think this is one of the catchiest songs

00:35:02.610 --> 00:35:05.909
on the album It gives me a real you you mentioned

00:35:05.909 --> 00:35:08.710
like reformed Weezer like this This is the song

00:35:08.710 --> 00:35:11.570
that gives me the real Weezer vibe or blur it

00:35:11.570 --> 00:35:17.119
totally does. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I love this song

00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:19.400
because I think it's super catchy and I love

00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.760
the line Sometimes I think about the cross, but

00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:26.460
sometimes I'm thinking about myself because how

00:35:26.460 --> 00:35:29.219
well does that capture like all of our experiences

00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:33.280
of like So often we're just thinking about ourselves

00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.880
when we need to be focused in on Jesus and here

00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:40.079
he is So I love this is a great track Mm -hmm.

00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:44.179
Yeah really is Yeah, sometimes I think of going

00:35:44.179 --> 00:35:46.940
back to the time that I want to do then I get

00:35:46.940 --> 00:35:53.579
a glimpse of you Yeah, yeah awesome Yeah, I Lyrically

00:35:53.579 --> 00:35:57.440
I liked it and I think musically I differ a little

00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.920
bit because I feel like it it was a little like

00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:02.920
chaotic and I I don't know I guess it was like

00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:05.679
just that like One tick from me whereas like

00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.360
that line of like, oh, I I don't know where like

00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:09.980
I guess it for me It's like I don't know where

00:36:09.980 --> 00:36:13.000
this is gonna go But also I'm sitting here being

00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.420
like I'm the second track into this being like,

00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:21.139
oh this isn't 90s worship music So but like I

00:36:21.139 --> 00:36:25.420
I do think it is cool and you know with a lot

00:36:25.420 --> 00:36:29.260
of these albums it like it is cool trying to

00:36:29.260 --> 00:36:32.900
put this lens on what What it was meaning back

00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:35.480
then like it's this album is very different if

00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.239
it's released this year versus then, right? so

00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:41.400
it is thinking like Okay, like what's the differences?

00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:44.239
But yeah, I felt like it was maybe just like

00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:48.480
that tick over like of Going all over. Yeah,

00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:52.019
we need to get you listen to some Weezer. Yeah

00:36:52.019 --> 00:36:56.659
You know and another thing I thought about you

00:36:56.659 --> 00:37:00.960
know was you know The year this came out, 96,

00:37:01.139 --> 00:37:04.539
I mean, this was, you know, teenage angst was

00:37:04.539 --> 00:37:08.739
all, was all the rage back then. Like, I mean,

00:37:08.739 --> 00:37:11.099
I mean, that was, that was just kind of like

00:37:11.099 --> 00:37:14.760
in pop culture in general, like, uh, you know,

00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.380
an alternative music in general, it was just,

00:37:17.699 --> 00:37:22.860
it was just this, uh, yeah. Like, like you, you

00:37:22.860 --> 00:37:26.360
saw that like even with like Nirvana coming,

00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.280
like this was right. This was right after, you

00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.559
know, several years after them. But, but it's

00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.260
just, that was kind of the mood of that generation,

00:37:35.260 --> 00:37:38.780
you know? Yeah. And, and I think he captured

00:37:38.780 --> 00:37:43.760
it. Well, you know, it was like, like, wow. Yeah.

00:37:44.059 --> 00:37:49.179
Anyway. Yep. So that goes into track three flyby.

00:37:50.679 --> 00:38:00.780
Yeah. What'd you guys think about flyby? It's

00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:05.280
just, it's just incredible. There's, there's,

00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.579
there's no, there's no track on this that I don't

00:38:07.579 --> 00:38:14.099
like. Yeah. I mean, it's just, I think what it

00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:16.360
is, like every, every track on this, it's like,

00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:21.800
he's just, it, it's, it's almost like, like pulling

00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.000
a layer away. It's like, you're seeing him almost

00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.880
in real time. Just, just discovering. the, you

00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:34.960
know, the deep things of the Lord. And with that,

00:38:35.179 --> 00:38:40.099
and in doing that, it's, you know, when you see

00:38:40.099 --> 00:38:44.780
the holiness of God, you're confronted with your

00:38:44.780 --> 00:38:51.300
own unholiness, your own sinfulness. And yeah,

00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:55.980
so yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think this one

00:38:56.110 --> 00:38:58.429
this one when this one kicks off you're like

00:38:58.429 --> 00:39:03.469
oh okay like this is this is pretty heavy um

00:39:03.469 --> 00:39:06.829
yeah which which is interesting that you end

00:39:06.829 --> 00:39:09.889
up with like this heavy heavy guitar and then

00:39:09.889 --> 00:39:13.150
you go to like these like soft melodic vocals

00:39:13.150 --> 00:39:16.889
um which which is kind of leading into that early

00:39:16.889 --> 00:39:19.989
emo kind of feel of what's going on but then

00:39:19.989 --> 00:39:24.079
these like big choruses um Think my favorite

00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:27.059
my favorite part of this song though is like

00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:30.639
when you almost feel like the song ends and there's

00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:35.619
like a Musical turn that it takes where it builds

00:39:35.619 --> 00:39:38.500
back in to the same song But it almost feels

00:39:38.500 --> 00:39:40.699
like a different song building back into the

00:39:40.699 --> 00:39:42.360
same song. It's kind of a cool thing that they

00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:47.699
do So this track is me and Joel like we don't

00:39:47.670 --> 00:39:50.110
We don't talk beforehand of like, oh here's my

00:39:50.110 --> 00:39:52.329
rating or that rating but earlier he was telling

00:39:52.329 --> 00:39:56.969
me a little bit about how this album like really

00:39:56.969 --> 00:39:59.530
didn't have wasn't overly produced versus like

00:39:59.530 --> 00:40:02.269
the next album had a lot of production and so

00:40:02.269 --> 00:40:05.309
like and I'd be interested like on with your

00:40:05.309 --> 00:40:08.090
take on this John Paul but like so with this

00:40:08.090 --> 00:40:11.610
track I felt like it wasn't overly produced but

00:40:11.610 --> 00:40:14.909
I felt like it's one of those tracks where I

00:40:14.909 --> 00:40:18.599
think a little more production would have helped

00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:22.519
a lot. So I guess like for you, is it something

00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.599
that you think that the rawness does make it

00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.780
a lot better? Or, or do you think like a little

00:40:28.780 --> 00:40:32.599
production like does help with a track like this?

00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:37.880
I don't think there's a right answer or a wrong

00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:42.519
answer there. I mean, well, I mean, I think it's

00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:52.780
a great question. Yeah. To me I don't I Think

00:40:52.780 --> 00:40:56.639
the rawness of it is kind of what what I connected

00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:02.420
with because it was this I Think did well, okay

00:41:02.420 --> 00:41:05.820
Let me let me put it this way. I heard years

00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:08.679
ago. This is without getting too far off track

00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:14.659
I had I had a musician a guy used to work with

00:41:14.659 --> 00:41:18.510
or work for at a guitar shop. One of the things

00:41:18.510 --> 00:41:23.769
he told me, he said, if it's a good song, it's

00:41:23.769 --> 00:41:28.289
going to be a good recording. And what he meant

00:41:28.289 --> 00:41:31.150
by that, like he was referring to like the early

00:41:31.150 --> 00:41:34.590
Beatles stuff, like, you know, you know, four,

00:41:34.670 --> 00:41:37.829
maybe eight tracks, you know, production wise

00:41:37.829 --> 00:41:40.969
is not much there, but if it's a good song, it's

00:41:40.969 --> 00:41:45.260
going to connect. Yeah. And I think think that's

00:41:45.260 --> 00:41:49.039
kind of the way I take a song like this, you

00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:54.019
know, it's just But the thing is is like with

00:41:54.019 --> 00:41:56.500
a good song like it's to you like you could you

00:41:56.500 --> 00:41:58.679
could cover it You can do it like a different

00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.559
genre all together. But it's a and it's hard

00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:05.199
a good song It's gonna it's gonna connect. So

00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:09.760
I don't know. I Like the way it was produced,

00:42:09.980 --> 00:42:12.840
but I could I could imagine it being like if

00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:17.829
it if it were more slick, you know, it, you know,

00:42:17.869 --> 00:42:20.190
it's like, I say, I like raw stuff, but then

00:42:20.190 --> 00:42:22.809
like, you know what? Two years after this, that

00:42:22.809 --> 00:42:25.710
was when Jimmy world did clarity and it was,

00:42:25.889 --> 00:42:29.130
and it was an absolute masterpiece of production.

00:42:30.309 --> 00:42:35.289
So, you know, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:35.289 --> 00:42:36.949
That's a really good point. Sometimes it's hard

00:42:36.949 --> 00:42:40.659
to like, um, kind of nail down. Thoughts on that

00:42:40.659 --> 00:42:44.199
kind of thing track four is leads us into the

00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:50.579
forgive song. So we've got forgive me Yeah, I

00:42:50.579 --> 00:42:55.199
I think this is so this is a different feel for

00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.500
the record But yeah, it definitely is I love

00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:01.460
the lead guitar that's going on and I love actually

00:43:01.460 --> 00:43:05.500
the groove that the song gets into I like that

00:43:05.500 --> 00:43:08.260
there that we've got like a female vocal yeah

00:43:08.260 --> 00:43:12.400
like added in as well and i think it's such a

00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.460
good bridge with them like singing together too

00:43:15.460 --> 00:43:18.960
so um yeah i like i like this one a lot i feel

00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:21.400
like the female vocalist is what stood out to

00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:25.159
me on it i really liked and like not knowing

00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:27.579
the band and i couldn't really like find this

00:43:27.579 --> 00:43:32.099
online but like was that someone who was it was

00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:35.099
it just a random musician or was it someone who

00:43:35.929 --> 00:43:38.809
Like and into who it was that was providing that

00:43:38.809 --> 00:43:41.170
I have no idea. Honestly, it's a great question.

00:43:42.269 --> 00:43:49.369
Yeah Yeah The trivia listeners, yeah, I don't

00:43:49.369 --> 00:43:54.110
know but I like it Joel you should have asked

00:43:54.110 --> 00:43:56.829
Brian McSweeney when you you're right I should

00:43:56.829 --> 00:43:59.230
have forgiven giving him his marching orders

00:43:59.230 --> 00:44:01.610
for the next record Brian come on the pod. We

00:44:01.610 --> 00:44:09.019
love you Yeah. Yeah. What'd you think about that

00:44:09.019 --> 00:44:12.699
one, JP? Dude, it's, it's, it's just, it's great,

00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:16.159
man. I mean, I'm just as, as we're, as we're

00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.440
doing this, I'm looking, I've actually pulled

00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:21.300
up the lyrics and I'm just looking through them

00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:27.480
and I'm, man, I'm just, man. Okay. Like this

00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.559
line, although I love you father, I forgot to

00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:34.510
eat my bread again or today again. my spirit

00:44:34.510 --> 00:44:37.630
seems to be so strong but my flesh is so weak

00:44:37.630 --> 00:44:42.030
again i need to know you lord so tired of waiting

00:44:42.030 --> 00:44:46.809
for another day to draw a line now step across

00:44:46.809 --> 00:44:50.730
i can't see you but you're still there i'm following

00:44:50.730 --> 00:44:56.730
by faith so lead me anyway i just yeah yeah he's

00:44:56.730 --> 00:45:01.010
a really he's a really simple lyricist but it

00:45:01.010 --> 00:45:06.309
just works because it's real and um and and and

00:45:06.309 --> 00:45:09.070
it it comes across as being as being real when

00:45:09.070 --> 00:45:11.969
he's singing and I love that I love that well

00:45:11.969 --> 00:45:14.369
you know like a couple of weeks ago you guys

00:45:14.369 --> 00:45:18.250
y 'all did the uh the whole EP by Pedro yeah

00:45:18.250 --> 00:45:22.389
the lion and and that's I think that was a it's

00:45:22.389 --> 00:45:26.809
a very similar thing like I'm I connect to the

00:45:26.809 --> 00:45:32.389
you know the struggle there you know, is like

00:45:32.389 --> 00:45:35.869
because in my in my experience, you know, the

00:45:35.869 --> 00:45:38.869
Christian life dealing with like like following.

00:45:39.349 --> 00:45:43.730
I mean salvation itself is is free. It's it's

00:45:43.730 --> 00:45:46.369
it's something that we we don't have to strive

00:45:46.369 --> 00:45:51.030
for. It's it's a gift but but walking with the

00:45:51.030 --> 00:45:54.610
lord that that's a that cost us dearly. Yeah.

00:45:54.690 --> 00:45:59.900
You know and uh and I don't know. I just I've

00:45:59.900 --> 00:46:03.539
always loved people, you know, being real about

00:46:03.539 --> 00:46:06.800
that. And I don't know. Yeah, I feel that one

00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:12.340
hundred percent. Yeah. So we move to forgive

00:46:12.340 --> 00:46:18.440
you. Oh, yeah. Go ahead, Brandon. So I'll take

00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:23.940
my take is context is so important. And I was

00:46:23.940 --> 00:46:28.710
thankful on Jesus Freak Hideout. they had um

00:46:28.710 --> 00:46:32.349
a little blurb about each song um about kind

00:46:32.349 --> 00:46:35.210
of and so for me because when i first listened

00:46:35.210 --> 00:46:39.269
i'm like it who like what what's who's what's

00:46:39.269 --> 00:46:44.670
going on um yeah but i so i i thought this was

00:46:44.670 --> 00:46:47.869
one of my favorite tracks on the album because

00:46:47.869 --> 00:46:55.559
i i really respect a song that Think we need

00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:57.599
to get this out and we're not going to try to

00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.639
water this down because Like Christian Christian

00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:03.840
movies a lot of times you'll have the bad guy

00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:07.039
in the film It's still a person who's really

00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.900
a good person, you know, like it's they're not

00:47:09.900 --> 00:47:12.460
doing a lot of bad stuff It's just they fit to

00:47:12.460 --> 00:47:14.940
their mom and they actually got you know, they're

00:47:14.940 --> 00:47:18.699
not going to a friend's house to study the basketball

00:47:18.699 --> 00:47:23.030
game and I I thought to myself when I heard this

00:47:23.030 --> 00:47:26.530
I thought of I know like back in I think it's

00:47:26.530 --> 00:47:29.909
2012 Showbread had a release and they got in

00:47:29.909 --> 00:47:34.650
so much hot water for just not being like chill

00:47:34.650 --> 00:47:38.530
about the albums and or the lyrics and so for

00:47:38.530 --> 00:47:42.789
me I thought I can only imagine how much this

00:47:42.789 --> 00:47:48.039
was I don't know, controversial back in 19, you

00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:51.019
said in 96, 97 when this was released. Yeah.

00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.940
Like I was thinking, man, it just was it like

00:47:53.940 --> 00:47:56.880
pulled from like Family Christian once they read

00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:04.500
the lyrics or. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely it's

00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:07.460
raw. There's no doubt. There's no doubt there.

00:48:08.300 --> 00:48:15.150
So I don't know. I mean, to me, like. That guitar

00:48:15.150 --> 00:48:17.809
line right at the beginning of that song like

00:48:17.809 --> 00:48:21.230
you just you know, you're about to I Mean, it

00:48:21.230 --> 00:48:24.389
sounds like trouble, you know, you know what

00:48:24.389 --> 00:48:29.909
I mean? Like it just I don't know like it's Yeah,

00:48:29.989 --> 00:48:34.670
this one I Don't know what else to say other

00:48:34.670 --> 00:48:36.969
than what you've said already. I mean, I don't

00:48:36.969 --> 00:48:39.230
know what to add to it. But man, it's just it

00:48:39.230 --> 00:48:47.119
is so it incredibly Powerful song. Yeah, it definitely

00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:49.159
takes some guts to do a song like this on your

00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:54.000
first record because your careers like Potentially

00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.699
hanging in the balance, right and obviously they

00:48:56.699 --> 00:49:01.440
went on to More success with forefront records

00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:08.000
after this But but yeah, I even today though

00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.559
I It's hard for me to listen to this one. But

00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:14.679
I think that I think that that's a good thing

00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:19.400
As I listen to it and then obviously so Context

00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:21.159
like he's writing this song because a friend

00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:24.119
of his is raped and he doesn't know how to deal

00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.659
with the feelings of that and the emotions of

00:49:26.659 --> 00:49:31.480
it and he's wrestling with how how Like can I

00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.920
forgive someone that has done this to someone

00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:39.019
that I love? And so the first verse is about

00:49:39.019 --> 00:49:41.719
the guy that raped his friend, but then verse

00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:45.820
two is he's talking about God and how, and his

00:49:45.820 --> 00:49:50.780
own sin and how God readily forgave him for his

00:49:50.780 --> 00:49:54.559
sin. So why should he not be able to forgive?

00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.639
There's just a lot, man, there's a lot there.

00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.480
It reminds me of a, there's a Sufjan song on

00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:06.400
Illinois. called John Wayne Gacy Jr., where he's

00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:09.860
telling a story about one of the most notorious

00:50:09.860 --> 00:50:14.820
serial killers in American history. And he uses

00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:19.519
a line where he talks about how John Wayne Gacy

00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:21.659
would bury bodies under the floorboards of his

00:50:21.659 --> 00:50:25.000
house. But then the song ends with him saying,

00:50:25.940 --> 00:50:28.280
but in my best behavior, I'm really just like

00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.460
him look beneath the floorboards to see what

00:50:30.460 --> 00:50:34.789
I've had. And It's like the same idea of just

00:50:34.789 --> 00:50:39.630
like, we're all sinners and we've, uh, if we

00:50:39.630 --> 00:50:41.849
have been forgiven, what right do we have to

00:50:41.849 --> 00:50:44.849
not, not be willing to show forgiveness to others?

00:50:45.110 --> 00:50:48.849
Yeah. It's challenging. And, and do you guys

00:50:48.849 --> 00:50:52.590
ever define, find this to be the case to where

00:50:52.590 --> 00:50:57.309
like forgiving someone for what they do against

00:50:57.309 --> 00:51:02.440
you. is a lot easier than forgiving someone of

00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:09.300
what they do against someone you love. That's

00:51:09.300 --> 00:51:19.639
a hard thing. It's almost harder. I completely

00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:23.219
agree with that. I think you're right. Track

00:51:23.219 --> 00:51:31.599
six is pavement. This one is so heavy at the

00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:35.239
beginning, and I love it. I'm here for it. Yeah.

00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.920
So this one, like this one makes me feel a little

00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:42.019
bit of like the production of the whole record

00:51:42.019 --> 00:51:47.380
that it's really simple production. There's nothing

00:51:47.380 --> 00:51:51.679
flashy about it at all, but it's a really full

00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:55.800
sound at the same time. And so it captures. it

00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:58.019
captures the drums and the bass and the guitars

00:51:58.019 --> 00:51:59.940
even though it's really simple it captures those

00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:01.800
in a really full way and I think that's kind

00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.119
of showcased by a song like this when these guitars

00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:06.920
kick in that they're they're really heavy and

00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:12.880
really full yeah I like I like this one yeah

00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.980
for me I really love the song I really like the

00:52:15.980 --> 00:52:19.880
guitar in it too and I really just love the the

00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.780
struggle they're painting of what this man's

00:52:22.780 --> 00:52:27.400
going through and honestly this whole album what

00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:33.059
stood out was uh you said before the lyrics it's

00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:36.840
it's simple so we're not doing anything crazy

00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:41.840
with them but every track the lyrics were refreshingly

00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.420
good and i think with the 90s yeah a lot of times

00:52:45.420 --> 00:52:50.150
that's my struggle is maybe not you know, being

00:52:50.150 --> 00:52:52.769
more than 92, it's not really appreciating getting

00:52:52.769 --> 00:52:56.230
into music until the mid 2000s. So a lot of 90s

00:52:56.230 --> 00:53:00.230
stuff comes across as very cheesy musically and

00:53:00.230 --> 00:53:03.469
lyrically. So for me, that's what stood out is

00:53:03.469 --> 00:53:09.110
that I think with even the tracks on here that

00:53:09.110 --> 00:53:12.909
maybe I didn't love, it was never a lyric thing.

00:53:13.090 --> 00:53:16.389
It was just the music thinking, oh, I want to

00:53:16.389 --> 00:53:19.940
tweak this or tweak that. and so to me it was

00:53:19.940 --> 00:53:22.139
just really refreshing on this album to think

00:53:22.139 --> 00:53:25.360
yeah everyone the lyrics are it's simple and

00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:35.380
it's it's done well yeah yeah such a good man

00:53:35.380 --> 00:53:41.800
i just love i just love this record just sitting

00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.059
here and just kind of thinking about it man it

00:53:44.059 --> 00:53:47.139
like it really it really rocked my world when

00:53:47.139 --> 00:53:50.079
it When it, when I first, when I first heard

00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:54.159
it, I was just like, wow, I can't believe this

00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.360
exists. It was just, I don't know. Yeah. It's

00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:02.360
a good, that's a good word to Brandon that, um,

00:54:02.500 --> 00:54:04.619
something about this album that's good is that

00:54:04.619 --> 00:54:08.940
this is an extremely Christian album. Um, like

00:54:08.940 --> 00:54:12.340
there's no hiding it at all. It's like out there,

00:54:12.380 --> 00:54:16.780
but it never comes across in like a cheesy, um,

00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:19.900
kind of way whereas their next record has one

00:54:19.900 --> 00:54:22.880
of those songs which is pretty pretty cheesy

00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.739
um but that's what happens when you sign to like

00:54:25.739 --> 00:54:29.840
a major christian label so um i do i do love

00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:32.519
that about about this about this one that's really

00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:38.619
good next up we have the hunger um for me i i

00:54:38.619 --> 00:54:42.780
think it was a cool uh a nice slow down to kind

00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:45.000
of take a little bit of a break from the heaviness

00:54:45.309 --> 00:54:49.110
Um, and it really showcases, uh, the vocals on

00:54:49.110 --> 00:54:51.690
this one. So I think it was, it was a nice, just

00:54:51.690 --> 00:54:55.829
kind of break while getting to appreciate, uh,

00:54:55.929 --> 00:55:05.050
the vocals. What a great, I, I can't say enough

00:55:05.050 --> 00:55:07.789
about this guy's vocals. I mean, they're just,

00:55:07.789 --> 00:55:12.599
they're just, they're just like, Who is another

00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:16.420
vocalist that that was like there was even like

00:55:16.420 --> 00:55:21.619
him like Like I'm thinking about it at that particular

00:55:21.619 --> 00:55:26.239
time At that like I mean there was Jeff Buckley.

00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:29.099
Yeah, I mean, you know, you know, it's probably

00:55:29.099 --> 00:55:35.320
the closest comparison Yeah, it's just I don't

00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:39.239
I don't know I mean there's there was just That's

00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:42.139
what I loved about this this record both sonically

00:55:42.139 --> 00:55:45.599
lyrically just thematically is it's just it's

00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:50.000
stripped down. It's raw. It's honest and and

00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:53.699
then Like it there's it doesn't hide behind anything

00:55:53.699 --> 00:56:00.420
like like it's just I don't Yeah, I agree. I

00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:04.320
This this is a great song. It's up there for

00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:06.889
me on the album I think the chorus is great.

00:56:06.929 --> 00:56:09.610
The vocals are great. I love just the idea behind

00:56:09.610 --> 00:56:13.110
it, too. Just hungering, hungering for Jesus

00:56:13.110 --> 00:56:17.050
and time with him and being in a like being putting

00:56:17.050 --> 00:56:21.170
yourself in a place of need. I think is is such

00:56:21.170 --> 00:56:24.829
a such an important like theme. I think this

00:56:24.829 --> 00:56:28.449
this song also showcases the fact that Brian

00:56:28.449 --> 00:56:31.190
McSweeney is like a great guitar player. When

00:56:31.190 --> 00:56:34.530
that classical guitar kicks in. Um, that's him

00:56:34.530 --> 00:56:38.309
like cranking on, on that thing. And he doesn't,

00:56:38.550 --> 00:56:41.030
the thing about this record is he does not show

00:56:41.030 --> 00:56:45.170
off at all on the guitar. Um, but he's an incredible

00:56:45.170 --> 00:56:47.829
guitar player. And, um, I don't, you probably

00:56:47.829 --> 00:56:50.510
don't know this Brandon, but, um, but there was

00:56:50.510 --> 00:56:54.090
a point in time when, um, audiojournal was going

00:56:54.090 --> 00:56:57.769
through a transition and guitarists. I think

00:56:57.769 --> 00:57:00.550
after Bloom, their guitar player had been with

00:57:00.550 --> 00:57:02.949
them from the beginning, stepped away, and Brian

00:57:02.949 --> 00:57:05.409
actually stepped in and was the lead guitar player

00:57:05.409 --> 00:57:08.510
for Audio Adrenaline for a while. I had forgotten

00:57:08.510 --> 00:57:11.530
that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I saw that tour. Did you

00:57:11.530 --> 00:57:16.650
go and see them? I think I did. Yeah. I think

00:57:16.650 --> 00:57:22.409
I did. Yeah. And that guitar work on that Audio

00:57:22.409 --> 00:57:26.219
Adrenaline album, Bloom, is no joke. That guy

00:57:26.219 --> 00:57:30.079
was an incredible player. And Brian, I mean,

00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:33.699
he's great. And so I love I love that about this,

00:57:33.699 --> 00:57:36.559
too. But yeah, that's a great song. I love the

00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:38.900
build up to the last chorus. It's really cool.

00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:43.659
Really cool. Track number eight is restrained.

00:57:44.099 --> 00:57:46.239
Yeah. Yeah. What do you guys think about this

00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:55.309
one? Go ahead. I was getting worried because

00:57:55.309 --> 00:57:56.730
i'm like this is gonna be the track where i'm

00:57:56.730 --> 00:57:59.550
like i'm not strong. It's like it's amazing.

00:57:59.929 --> 00:58:05.070
Um, but no for me, um um, so earlier I had made

00:58:05.070 --> 00:58:06.829
a comment about how I felt like one of the ones

00:58:06.829 --> 00:58:09.949
jumped around like a little bit and I felt like

00:58:09.949 --> 00:58:14.269
this one did it too, but I I enjoyed the jumping

00:58:14.269 --> 00:58:16.489
around. I think that whereas the other one was

00:58:16.489 --> 00:58:21.469
maybe just a A step or two like over. Um, I liked

00:58:21.469 --> 00:58:25.639
and I think once again I like the female vocal

00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:28.820
showing back up. And I think that's what's so

00:58:28.820 --> 00:58:31.599
weird is that with both the tracks that she was

00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:34.699
on, that was the highlight of the track. So that's

00:58:34.699 --> 00:58:37.699
why it made me think it's weird that there's

00:58:37.699 --> 00:58:43.260
no, oh, that's Shelly or whoever singing. So

00:58:43.260 --> 00:58:47.260
to me, it's cool when you can have something

00:58:47.260 --> 00:58:52.519
that's a little piece mean a lot to it. Yeah,

00:58:52.579 --> 00:58:55.420
JP, what'd you think about this one? Oh, man.

00:58:56.119 --> 00:59:00.719
It's just phenomenal. I don't know. I don't know

00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:03.800
what else I can add about the specific track

00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:07.019
that I haven't already said. It's just more of

00:59:07.019 --> 00:59:11.860
the same. I mean, it's just, yeah. Yeah, I think

00:59:11.860 --> 00:59:15.820
this one. So for me, when you hit this point

00:59:15.820 --> 00:59:20.269
in the album, like this is like... my favorite

00:59:20.269 --> 00:59:24.469
part of this record. And this one really, the

00:59:24.469 --> 00:59:27.369
hunger starts it, but it leads into this one.

00:59:28.030 --> 00:59:33.429
I love the space that they give on the verse

00:59:33.429 --> 00:59:37.670
for the vocals to shine. You have this rhythm

00:59:37.670 --> 00:59:40.349
going, but the bass will hit a note and just

00:59:40.349 --> 00:59:42.550
sustain it for a while, and it keeps hitting

00:59:42.550 --> 00:59:46.429
the same... note just sustained over and over

00:59:46.429 --> 00:59:49.429
again. And it creates this bed for the vocals

00:59:49.429 --> 00:59:53.210
just to kind of like stand out on top. And I

00:59:53.210 --> 00:59:55.809
think that's really cool. And the chorus with

00:59:55.809 --> 00:59:58.989
the echoing melody with the female vocal, like

00:59:58.989 --> 01:00:01.590
you said, Brandon, I think it's cool. And I love

01:00:01.590 --> 01:00:05.389
that it ends like in a pretty small kind of way.

01:00:05.610 --> 01:00:08.489
And so this one's definitely a highlight of the

01:00:08.489 --> 01:00:12.869
record for me. So yeah. Next, we move to delightful

01:00:12.869 --> 01:00:21.079
you. What are your thoughts? You know, this I

01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:25.840
was thinking about this again to bring up to

01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:28.800
keep bringing up Pedro the lion. But I was just

01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:33.639
I was thinking about what was the name? There

01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:37.659
was there was a song that that says, oh, man,

01:00:37.739 --> 01:00:39.820
Joe, you're going to have to help me here, brother.

01:00:44.640 --> 01:00:53.559
It talks about the wisdom of man. Unless you

01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.300
plan to change the truth to accommodate the wisdom

01:00:56.300 --> 01:00:59.880
of man. What's the name of that song? I can't

01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:01.500
remember, but I know what you're talking about.

01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:08.340
Anyway, that's exactly what I think of with this

01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:16.579
song. You know, again, it's coming with this

01:01:16.579 --> 01:01:22.559
idea of doubt. Like, can I trust you with my

01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:27.780
doubt? Like, that's kind of, that's what I remember

01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:33.260
about this track. Like, it's just, I was like,

01:01:33.500 --> 01:01:38.760
Lord, can I trust you? So it's like, this whole,

01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.639
again, this whole record, it's like this. It's

01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:47.539
like one constant prayer. That's the way I always

01:01:47.539 --> 01:01:57.179
took it. It's like, can I trust you? Or it's

01:01:57.179 --> 01:02:01.500
like trying to get a feral cat to come and eat

01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:05.460
out of your hand. It's essentially what this

01:02:05.460 --> 01:02:09.920
reminds me of, this entire record. No approaching

01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:15.400
God with With all of your doubts and yeah anyway

01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:19.099
And I think all of these songs are just it's

01:02:19.099 --> 01:02:22.139
it's kind of like they're taking Another is taking

01:02:22.139 --> 01:02:25.400
another step. Mm -hmm. Like I look at it as just

01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.400
one big narrative Anyway, mm -hmm. That's cool

01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:32.300
Brandon. What do you think about this one? Yeah,

01:02:32.300 --> 01:02:36.889
I really like the bass line in it I think too

01:02:36.889 --> 01:02:39.070
what's interesting is there's like a shift after

01:02:39.070 --> 01:02:43.010
the first verse and I felt like the the second

01:02:43.010 --> 01:02:46.750
half of the track was like I enjoyed it more

01:02:46.750 --> 01:02:50.389
um so but I thought that was interesting whenever

01:02:50.389 --> 01:02:52.349
there's a track where you you're used to like

01:02:52.349 --> 01:02:54.429
albums saying oh I like the second half of the

01:02:54.429 --> 01:02:56.309
album better or the first half so I feel like

01:02:56.309 --> 01:02:57.869
it's interesting whenever there's like a song

01:02:57.869 --> 01:03:00.219
and you're like Oh in the three or four minutes,

01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:03.099
this was on I like this two minute section better.

01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:07.159
Yeah, um, but yeah, I liked it and Like I feel

01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:09.199
like that's it can be challenging whenever you

01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:11.320
do have a shift like that. But yeah, I enjoyed

01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:15.480
it that bass line Sheesh It's crazy. I love the

01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.320
groove of this one. We're basically just got

01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:19.559
that bass going and like a really tight snare

01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:25.900
that they're hitting Um And I love the part when

01:03:25.900 --> 01:03:29.639
the last verse is like just drums and vocals.

01:03:30.300 --> 01:03:33.139
And then it then it kicks in again. Yeah, this

01:03:33.139 --> 01:03:34.900
one's just got a different feel from most of

01:03:34.900 --> 01:03:37.460
the rest of the record, which I think is a great

01:03:37.460 --> 01:03:40.480
change of pace. Yeah. And I love a band that

01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:42.940
can that can do that and pull it off. And it's

01:03:42.940 --> 01:03:45.840
still full kind of cohesive. And then they do

01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.599
this thing at the end of the track where again,

01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:52.099
it sounds like what would be its own like track.

01:03:52.260 --> 01:03:55.480
Yeah. You've got this little acoustic transition

01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:58.500
or interlude kind of thing that's the melody

01:03:58.500 --> 01:04:04.500
of the last song. But it's it's it's connected

01:04:04.500 --> 01:04:08.539
to the song before, which is just I don't remember

01:04:08.539 --> 01:04:11.519
how that worked out on a CD, but I know in my

01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:13.940
Apple music, it's like not its own thing, which

01:04:13.940 --> 01:04:17.059
I thought was interesting. But it leads into

01:04:17.059 --> 01:04:20.199
the last track of the album, ashamed, ashamed.

01:04:20.780 --> 01:04:24.480
Yeah, beautiful. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, Joel,

01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:30.119
I think we we covered this in Ransom Tree, I

01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.739
think we covered this song. I could see that.

01:04:33.900 --> 01:04:35.719
John Paul, I was actually thinking, I wrote a

01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:38.059
note down that says this reminds me of a Ransom

01:04:38.059 --> 01:04:42.099
Tree song that we never... One of those maybe

01:04:42.099 --> 01:04:44.699
that never got on an album that was kind of on

01:04:44.699 --> 01:04:46.719
that second unreleased thing that we were working

01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:50.559
on. But you might be right in the fact that...

01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:52.800
We either covered this or I think we completely

01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:55.840
ripped it off and wrote something that sounded

01:04:55.840 --> 01:05:02.179
just like it. No, man. What an incredible song.

01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:05.559
I mean, I, I mean, this, to me, this is the,

01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:09.059
this is the quintessential, like, like this is,

01:05:09.260 --> 01:05:14.199
this is the song on the album. Like, I don't

01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:17.980
know. It just. Again, I keep hitting on this

01:05:17.980 --> 01:05:20.639
whole narrative. It just sort of brings it into

01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:22.880
completion. It's like, Hey, we've gone through

01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:26.579
the struggle. You've, you know, you've, you've

01:05:26.579 --> 01:05:30.539
seen me at my rawest now through that I've seen

01:05:30.539 --> 01:05:36.400
your goodness. Um, yeah, I'm not ashamed. Yeah.

01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:41.320
This is, yeah, I think it's good. I love the,

01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:45.920
um, I love how it's now I'm ashamed. Like you,

01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:49.800
Like he showcases his shame throughout the song

01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:52.199
until the very end. And that's like, now I'm

01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:56.320
not ashamed. Yeah. And this, I think you're right.

01:05:56.400 --> 01:06:00.659
I think this is like the. This like what? I don't

01:06:00.659 --> 01:06:02.219
know. There probably weren't really singles,

01:06:02.260 --> 01:06:04.880
but this should have been like the single of

01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:06.920
the album that would have like would have stood

01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:11.800
out. It reminds me of that instrumental part

01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:14.320
that it jams out into at the end of the song.

01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:19.760
is so good. You've got that guitar riff that

01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:23.360
sounds like almost like a collective soul kind

01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:30.820
of guitar. Like, yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah. And

01:06:30.820 --> 01:06:32.900
this is like the most emo song on the album.

01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:42.590
So I'm just. Yeah. Felt like it is another track

01:06:42.590 --> 01:06:44.949
that highlighted the vocal as well. Yeah, and

01:06:44.949 --> 01:06:48.010
I think it was a it was a great ending to the

01:06:48.010 --> 01:06:50.909
album It's going back to the beginning. The first

01:06:50.909 --> 01:06:53.230
song is very important, but also the last song

01:06:53.230 --> 01:06:56.769
Yeah, it's like what's what's in between that

01:06:56.769 --> 01:06:59.989
and there's some times where the back the back

01:06:59.989 --> 01:07:02.210
end of an album is let's just stuff the ones

01:07:02.210 --> 01:07:05.389
that maybe like we're just filling in yeah, and

01:07:05.389 --> 01:07:08.889
I think with this album it improved like it gets

01:07:08.889 --> 01:07:12.510
better The second half of it and I felt like

01:07:12.510 --> 01:07:16.929
that was cool that by the end of this Like, you

01:07:16.929 --> 01:07:18.469
know some I feel like there's some albums you

01:07:18.469 --> 01:07:21.409
listen to and okay when when is this over how

01:07:21.409 --> 01:07:24.230
many tracks do we have left and To me what was

01:07:24.230 --> 01:07:27.150
cool was as I said the beginning is going into

01:07:27.150 --> 01:07:30.929
it not Not knowing the band not knowing the album.

01:07:30.949 --> 01:07:34.150
It was cool to get to the end and still be enjoying

01:07:34.150 --> 01:07:37.210
it Yeah, there was no part which this is probably

01:07:37.210 --> 01:07:40.400
bleeding into like thoughts on the album but

01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:43.199
to me it was just it was cool to get to the end

01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.079
and go that was a nice album there was in this

01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:47.239
part of all right can we wrap this up because

01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:50.800
I want to get back to my music you know and I

01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:52.699
was thinking about the way that you think about

01:07:52.699 --> 01:07:55.159
music sometimes Brandon with these last tracks

01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:57.280
is you try and think about what would this be

01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:01.929
like as like a last track live in a concert and

01:08:01.929 --> 01:08:04.050
thinking this this would be the song that I would

01:08:04.050 --> 01:08:07.289
want to hear them in with because I want to like

01:08:07.289 --> 01:08:09.690
I want to hear that instrumental part just kicking

01:08:09.690 --> 01:08:12.750
at the end of their set I think that would be

01:08:12.750 --> 01:08:16.369
so cool so yeah I love that all right well let's

01:08:16.369 --> 01:08:20.810
get down to the real part of this and talk about

01:08:20.810 --> 01:08:24.130
any final thoughts and our ratings of the record

01:08:24.130 --> 01:08:29.109
from one to five I don't mind leading out here

01:08:29.109 --> 01:08:37.729
so I have to admit that a lot of this for me

01:08:37.729 --> 01:08:40.989
is probably nostalgia speaking and like John

01:08:40.989 --> 01:08:43.630
Paul's talked about how this is just this was

01:08:43.630 --> 01:08:48.130
such an influential record for me early on and

01:08:48.130 --> 01:08:52.250
one of my favorite albums when I was in high

01:08:52.250 --> 01:08:55.010
school, the end of my high school career. And

01:08:55.010 --> 01:09:00.329
so just super important to me. So but with that,

01:09:00.369 --> 01:09:03.949
it's not a five for me, because I recognize that

01:09:03.949 --> 01:09:07.310
it's it's a first album by this band. And had

01:09:07.310 --> 01:09:10.250
they continued past album two, I would have loved

01:09:10.250 --> 01:09:13.029
to hear like what would have happened with them.

01:09:14.149 --> 01:09:16.189
And Brian McSweeney, obviously, he went on to

01:09:16.189 --> 01:09:18.770
make a lot of other music in different settings.

01:09:18.770 --> 01:09:24.699
And it's all fantastic. um but um but um yeah

01:09:24.699 --> 01:09:27.340
so anyways i don't know if it's nostalgia but

01:09:27.340 --> 01:09:31.439
i'm gonna give this one um a pretty solid four

01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:34.279
um but and in my heart i think it's probably

01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:45.000
even more than that so yeah i would have to i

01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:48.600
mean for me it was kind of like i remember when

01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:54.000
I heard this record, it really, it pushed me

01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:58.199
creatively as far as like songwriting for, you

01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:01.460
know, or wanting to do songwriting. Like for,

01:10:01.460 --> 01:10:06.739
you know, for Ransom Tree. And it was very influential,

01:10:06.739 --> 01:10:10.020
but I was like, this is the kind of music that

01:10:10.020 --> 01:10:15.060
I would like to create. Like it gave me a standard.

01:10:18.409 --> 01:10:21.750
Yeah. I think if I was honest, I was kind of

01:10:21.750 --> 01:10:24.689
thinking for myself, but just to be different,

01:10:24.689 --> 01:10:30.609
let me let me give it a. Can we do fractions?

01:10:31.069 --> 01:10:36.569
You can tell. I often get things at three point

01:10:36.569 --> 01:10:40.649
two. OK, well, I'm going to give this one a four

01:10:40.649 --> 01:10:45.970
point two. Yes. I mean, it's a great record.

01:10:46.270 --> 01:10:48.569
I love that. That's awesome. Yeah, it's it's

01:10:48.569 --> 01:10:51.390
nice getting to see how scientific Joel's is

01:10:51.390 --> 01:10:54.189
because it'll be like a yeah This was a 1 .7,

01:10:54.210 --> 01:10:57.069
but this one was definitely a five And I remember

01:10:57.069 --> 01:10:59.250
the first few ratings we did I would sit there

01:10:59.250 --> 01:11:01.789
and think I kind of just looked at the CD went

01:11:01.789 --> 01:11:08.890
I'm feeling a three Which uh for me, so I I think

01:11:08.890 --> 01:11:12.829
that's where I land on this album is a three

01:11:14.480 --> 01:11:17.760
But it was like I said going into it was thinking

01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:19.760
oh, man It's gonna be a challenge to listen to

01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:24.439
like 90s like soft worship type things but to

01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:28.659
me what's cool is I love getting to listen to

01:11:28.659 --> 01:11:31.399
a band or an album I've never listened to and

01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:34.199
when after that album it makes me want to go

01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:38.479
listen to what went on So to me, that's what's

01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:41.680
cool is that I'm excited to after this podcast

01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:45.500
go and listen and get like i'm excited to see

01:11:45.500 --> 01:11:48.520
how okay they've talked about how there's the

01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:51.020
shift so i'm excited to see oh let me go listen

01:11:51.020 --> 01:11:54.760
to this other album and compare it um so to me

01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:57.439
that's that it's just cool when a band can do

01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:00.039
that when like i said at the end of it it's not

01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:03.180
okay cool we've done this review i can put this

01:12:03.180 --> 01:12:07.140
band back on the shelf So, yeah. Yeah, Brandon,

01:12:07.220 --> 01:12:10.079
I think I can I can pretty solidly say for you

01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:13.420
that you are going to much more enjoy their second

01:12:13.420 --> 01:12:18.939
record. And you might actually love it. So I

01:12:18.939 --> 01:12:21.979
definitely encourage you to check it out. We

01:12:21.979 --> 01:12:24.619
didn't talk about this, but I've got it. Since

01:12:24.619 --> 01:12:26.500
we're talking about Seven Day Jesus, I just have

01:12:26.500 --> 01:12:30.800
to throw out that Happy Christmas Volume One.

01:12:31.039 --> 01:12:33.960
Seven day. Jesus. Oh my God covered. Oh, holy

01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:37.899
night. And it is standard for Oh, holy night.

01:12:37.899 --> 01:12:43.520
Oh my gosh. Till this day. Yes. So much. Yes.

01:12:44.899 --> 01:12:48.000
Wow. Want to talk about a song that showcases

01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:52.380
Brian McSweeney's vocals. Holy cow. The man can

01:12:52.380 --> 01:12:57.560
sing. Yeah. In fact, that might be my favorite

01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:01.890
seven day Jesus track. I definitely think it's

01:13:01.890 --> 01:13:06.029
the one I listen to most. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's

01:13:06.029 --> 01:13:08.949
incredible. It is so stinking good. It's it's

01:13:08.949 --> 01:13:12.390
so great. All right. Well, let's talk about the

01:13:12.390 --> 01:13:26.090
lyric of the week. All right. So the lyric of

01:13:26.090 --> 01:13:30.039
the week comes from the song Restrained. i still

01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:32.859
remember when i held my breath and dove right

01:13:32.859 --> 01:13:36.520
in and never wondered would the water hold so

01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:39.760
take me to a place where i won't hide but seek

01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:43.380
your face after all i've never drowned before

01:13:43.380 --> 01:13:47.800
um i love that love love that that's actually

01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:51.880
some really good writing right there so Well,

01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:54.560
John Paul, man, this has been so fun having you

01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:58.960
join us for this. It's always a joy just to chat

01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.520
and catch up, but it's super fun getting to talk

01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:04.800
about music and reminisce a little bit. So I

01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:08.680
know that you mentioned you're a little bit of

01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:11.399
a hermit or something, but is there any way or

01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:14.779
anywhere that anybody can find you or do you

01:14:14.779 --> 01:14:16.439
have any music that you've made that you want

01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:22.119
to plug? I mean, I've got a record that I made

01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:28.979
an EP a few years ago. Yeah, you can find John

01:14:28.979 --> 01:14:36.000
Paul Dove. You can find me on Spotify. Basically

01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:39.340
anywhere you find music, it's on there. It's

01:14:39.340 --> 01:14:44.600
called My Son the Brawler. Yeah. It's a great

01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.119
EP. I love it. You did a great job with that

01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:51.670
one. Well, you're very generous. Thank you. And

01:14:51.670 --> 01:14:53.930
of course, we made some music together, some

01:14:53.930 --> 01:14:56.689
of which I want you to find and some of which

01:14:56.689 --> 01:15:00.550
we can just pretend that it doesn't exist. Man,

01:15:00.810 --> 01:15:03.350
I tell you, this time of the year, this time

01:15:03.350 --> 01:15:08.069
of the year, I do just, man, I was, I listened

01:15:08.069 --> 01:15:11.250
to one of our tracks this morning. I don't know.

01:15:11.369 --> 01:15:15.850
Just, just the fall makes me feel all nostalgic.

01:15:15.869 --> 01:15:20.649
Yeah, no doubt. It does. I mean, I have an autumn

01:15:20.649 --> 01:15:22.909
playlist. That's one of my favorites. And so

01:15:22.909 --> 01:15:26.090
our first track off the Bellador record, Autumn

01:15:26.090 --> 01:15:29.869
Fair is on there because of course it is. It's

01:15:29.869 --> 01:15:32.569
about autumn. There you go. So that's great.

01:15:32.909 --> 01:15:34.750
You wrote that. It's a great song. I love that.

01:15:35.430 --> 01:15:39.949
Well, it was, man, those were fun days. I think

01:15:39.949 --> 01:15:43.260
fondly of them. Same, my friend. Well, dude,

01:15:43.380 --> 01:15:47.039
thanks again. We appreciate it and look forward

01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:49.260
to maybe having you on again sometime to talk

01:15:49.260 --> 01:15:52.380
about some of your other favorite records. So

01:15:52.380 --> 01:15:54.939
absolutely. And Brandon, it was great to meet

01:15:54.939 --> 01:15:58.520
you. It was nice meeting you, too. All right.

01:15:58.619 --> 01:16:02.199
Love you, brother. Thanks, everybody, for listening.

01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:05.399
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