WEBVTT 00:00:01.710 --> 00:00:32.600 Are you listening? Well hello everyone and welcome 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:36.539 to Hey Are You Listening? This is a podcast exploring 00:00:36.539 --> 00:00:39.859 the past, present and future of Christian music. 00:00:40.299 --> 00:00:42.479 My name is Joel and I'm here with my good friend 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:46.579 Brandon and we connected over a mutual love of 00:00:46.579 --> 00:00:50.020 some certain artists but we also have pretty 00:00:50.020 --> 00:00:52.000 different tastes when it comes to things and 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:54.859 so this is a fun journey for us as we get to 00:00:54.859 --> 00:00:58.770 expose each other to new things But also sometimes 00:00:58.770 --> 00:01:01.490 have some friends come along for the ride with 00:01:01.490 --> 00:01:04.730 us. And so today I'm getting exposed to something 00:01:04.730 --> 00:01:07.950 new for me, which is really fun. But Brandon, 00:01:08.090 --> 00:01:10.109 how's it going today? How you doing? I'm doing 00:01:10.109 --> 00:01:13.370 great. Yeah, I'm excited about today. I feel 00:01:13.370 --> 00:01:18.609 like we've I've learned that for you was very 00:01:18.609 --> 00:01:20.650 much a tooth and nail like experience growing 00:01:20.650 --> 00:01:23.390 up. And for me, it was way more of a goatee records. 00:01:23.769 --> 00:01:26.560 So I feel like I'm on I'm like I have the home 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.659 field advantage today, so. It's always kind of 00:01:30.659 --> 00:01:32.299 a scary thing, though, when you bring one of 00:01:32.299 --> 00:01:35.659 your favorite records and submit it for conversation. 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:38.400 So are you feeling nervous about that at all 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:42.319 or? It's a little nervous. I could I can definitely 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:45.019 see you walking away being like, Brandon, this 00:01:45.019 --> 00:01:47.769 is a pleasant surprise or. Brandon this is a 00:01:47.769 --> 00:01:50.930 one -star You think it could go either way that's 00:01:50.930 --> 00:01:52.989 just the magic of John Rubin you can love him 00:01:52.989 --> 00:01:56.329 you can hate him All right. So speaking of today. 00:01:56.329 --> 00:01:59.769 The question is hey Are you listening to the 00:01:59.769 --> 00:02:05.560 boy versus the cynic by John Rubin? So I'm excited 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:08.219 to dig into this as this is again kind of a new 00:02:08.219 --> 00:02:10.580 record for me But before we do that Brandon you 00:02:10.580 --> 00:02:13.099 inform me that you have a game for us today. 00:02:13.539 --> 00:02:18.680 Yes I got a game for you Joel. So this like retribution 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:26.699 for like all the past games So for John Rubin 00:02:26.699 --> 00:02:29.199 anyone who's a fan of his knows that he just 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:32.740 like comes up with just these like Just these 00:02:32.740 --> 00:02:36.860 different aliases that he puts out. So he goes 00:02:36.860 --> 00:02:39.800 by all these different names on there. So today 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:44.939 I have a mix of real aliases of John Rubin and 00:02:44.939 --> 00:02:48.599 fake ones. So we're gonna see if you can spot 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.680 the fakes out of these ones. Can I ask you a 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:53.180 question about this before we get started? Yes. 00:02:53.300 --> 00:02:57.120 Where is John Rubin using these aliases? He just 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.699 like throws it out in a song and he's good. Yeah, 00:02:59.699 --> 00:03:02.919 I go by this name. I go by that name. So so it's 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:08.719 not like different like anonymous Twitter accounts 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:12.000 where he gets. Yeah, I don't I don't think yeah, 00:03:12.180 --> 00:03:14.360 like it's just John Rubin being like, yeah, I 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:17.419 go by these names. No one. All right. I'm ready. 00:03:17.699 --> 00:03:20.159 I'm ready. Let's do this. All right. So first 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:25.370 off, Rubalu. So I'm telling you if this is real 00:03:25.370 --> 00:03:29.370 or fake real or fake rubele I'm gonna go fake. 00:03:29.889 --> 00:03:36.430 That's right John Rue John Rue sounds like that's 00:03:36.430 --> 00:03:39.050 what like his buddies called him in college. 00:03:39.090 --> 00:03:42.710 So I'm gonna go yes real. All right, so far you 00:03:42.710 --> 00:03:52.289 got it J Rube J Rube I'm gonna go with that one's 00:03:52.289 --> 00:03:55.129 that one's a real one, too. It's fake. Oh, you 00:03:55.129 --> 00:04:07.789 got me. All right next one Jack zappin It's real 00:04:07.789 --> 00:04:20.339 Don Rubio I'm gonna go fake again. It's real 00:04:20.339 --> 00:04:29.139 what? Rubik's Cube oh man I'm gonna say this 00:04:29.139 --> 00:04:31.560 one's real, but it's gonna be fake. It's fake 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:38.459 Johnny Rubonic Real that's real. I got it was 00:04:38.459 --> 00:04:42.540 so out there. I knew it had to be real the Dippity 00:04:42.540 --> 00:04:50.209 -Doo -er Again, so out there. I'm gonna go with 00:04:50.209 --> 00:04:55.250 real. You got it and finally Rubatron Rubatron 00:04:55.250 --> 00:04:57.629 fake that's fake. Yeah. All right. All right. 00:04:57.649 --> 00:05:00.649 I think I figured it out by the end If it actually 00:05:00.649 --> 00:05:03.829 sounds like something that's made up. It's real 00:05:03.829 --> 00:05:09.209 It sounds real then it's probably fake Is that 00:05:09.209 --> 00:05:11.829 it that's it awesome awesome. Well, that was 00:05:11.829 --> 00:05:15.689 a good time. Thank you It's good to be reminded 00:05:15.689 --> 00:05:18.569 of the fact that I don't know everything. But 00:05:18.569 --> 00:05:20.790 it also just shows that I haven't listened to 00:05:20.790 --> 00:05:25.069 a ton of John Rubin. One of my friends, he was 00:05:25.069 --> 00:05:27.730 a student pastor when I was in college that I 00:05:27.730 --> 00:05:30.110 volunteered under. He and some of his buddies 00:05:30.110 --> 00:05:33.329 were big John Rubin fans, and so I got exposed 00:05:33.329 --> 00:05:36.589 to some stuff then, but never really took the 00:05:36.589 --> 00:05:40.339 time, I don't know why, to listen. or maybe because 00:05:40.339 --> 00:05:43.839 I was too busy listening to Tooth and Nail records. 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:48.500 Who knows? But yeah, this will be fun. Before 00:05:48.500 --> 00:05:53.000 we get deep into that though, today, let's talk 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:59.920 real quick about what's in the news. So I've 00:05:59.920 --> 00:06:02.600 just got one news item for us today unless you've 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.339 got anything to add but I found out the other 00:06:05.339 --> 00:06:10.759 day as I was looking through my socials is that 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:15.000 Petra has a new record coming out and it's the 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:19.500 first Petra album in over 20 years and it's gonna 00:06:19.500 --> 00:06:23.439 be called hope And they actually have a new single 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:26.720 out right now coming from that record called 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:31.459 deliver us so Yeah, this is kind of interesting 00:06:31.459 --> 00:06:36.319 for me because Petra was my first like rock concert 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:39.040 This would be middle school for me. So probably 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:44.319 like 92 mm -hmm went to a camp and they played 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.839 And so I immediately there bought I think their 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:51.180 record unseen power that they were touring at 00:06:51.180 --> 00:06:53.980 the time and then went back and got like beyond 00:06:53.980 --> 00:06:57.660 belief and And listen to some of the other stuff, 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:01.060 but I feel like I like quickly moved on from 00:07:01.060 --> 00:07:04.139 Petra in my life Yeah, but they also played like 00:07:04.139 --> 00:07:07.360 a pretty pivotal role like at the right moment 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.459 Do you have any any kind of history with Petra 00:07:10.459 --> 00:07:14.019 at all? The only Petra album I remember listening 00:07:14.019 --> 00:07:17.920 to was I want to say I don't know if this is 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:20.319 like the album cover or if this is just like 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:22.360 a picture in the booklet but like they're in 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:26.620 like a van Or maybe like a bus or like a train 00:07:26.620 --> 00:07:29.759 And I guess the lead singers wearing like a red 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:33.139 shirt or something a red jacket Yeah, that's 00:07:33.139 --> 00:07:35.860 not reminding me of anything. I don't know Could 00:07:35.860 --> 00:07:38.480 be it could be they put out a lot of records 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:42.839 Yeah, we'll definitely have to cover Petra because 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:46.740 They had such an important place. I feel like 00:07:46.740 --> 00:07:50.019 yeah in this in this whole world at one point 00:07:50.019 --> 00:07:52.139 But it's kind of fun for them to be able to put 00:07:52.139 --> 00:07:55.579 a new record out. Yeah And I think that it's 00:07:55.579 --> 00:07:58.579 pretty much the same band that I saw back in 00:07:58.579 --> 00:08:04.000 back in 92 Which is cool. So I don't know how 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:07.079 much they've played I guess just they Maybe kind 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:09.720 of been on hiatus for a while But yeah, I'm pretty 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:12.980 fun to see them doing something and I just noticed 00:08:12.980 --> 00:08:15.600 even from like them posting that like the social 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:19.819 media response to it was like Huge, so there's 00:08:19.819 --> 00:08:22.600 still a lot of Petra fans out there which is 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.000 kind of a fun thing. So let's talk about a little 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:30.040 bit of what we have been listening to lately. 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:32.460 Brandon, have you listened to anything interesting 00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:35.860 of note late? Well, I think interesting is the 00:08:35.860 --> 00:08:39.580 key word, Joel. I've discovered an entirely new 00:08:39.580 --> 00:08:42.960 genre this past weekend. Oh, wow. I'm super intrigued. 00:08:43.139 --> 00:08:48.470 So it's a thing I like to call hot dog pop. Don't 00:08:48.470 --> 00:08:50.490 know if you've seen apparently Jordan said that 00:08:50.490 --> 00:08:52.629 this has been like really popular for a while, 00:08:52.629 --> 00:08:57.370 but there is I don't have the name with me But 00:08:57.370 --> 00:09:00.450 it's this like eight or nine or ten year old 00:09:00.450 --> 00:09:04.750 and what he does is he takes? chapel Rome songs 00:09:04.750 --> 00:09:08.950 and Replaces the lyrics about to make it a song 00:09:08.950 --> 00:09:14.009 about hot dogs so one where it's like the the 00:09:14.009 --> 00:09:18.129 cheese Coney Club, it's all about just like going 00:09:18.129 --> 00:09:20.409 to a restaurant where he could eat like the best 00:09:20.409 --> 00:09:23.230 chili dog. Okay. Uh, then there's another one 00:09:23.230 --> 00:09:27.830 where it's like, um, it's like hot, like hot 00:09:27.830 --> 00:09:32.409 dogs, but it's like the H O T D O G S and it's 00:09:32.409 --> 00:09:34.850 just all about him. Like all the different hot 00:09:34.850 --> 00:09:37.529 dogs he enjoys and like sitting with his buddies 00:09:37.529 --> 00:09:40.870 and enjoying the hot dog. It's just like, I feel 00:09:40.870 --> 00:09:43.190 like it's the most interesting thing. Cause it's 00:09:43.190 --> 00:09:47.879 just this, like this catchy beat. and even the 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:49.860 other day we were playing it for our nephew and 00:09:49.860 --> 00:09:52.360 so it comes on and he's like I know this song 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:55.580 and then just like 30 seconds into it he's so 00:09:55.580 --> 00:10:00.240 confused being like what and um so yeah it's 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.120 just all like I said I forget if you I think 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.879 if you google hot dog songs this guy right now 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:08.980 he has the market like he owns the market he's 00:10:08.980 --> 00:10:12.840 like at the top of the genre but yeah Hot dog 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.580 pop. So yeah, if you enjoy pop if you enjoy hot 00:10:15.580 --> 00:10:19.480 dogs Go to Spotify just type in cheese. Coney 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:22.980 club and I I guarantee you there's no one else 00:10:22.980 --> 00:10:26.519 out there who's made All right. Yeah. Well, that's 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.559 really fascinating Maybe reminds me a little 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:35.220 bit of the it's corn. Yeah. Yeah I'm waiting 00:10:35.220 --> 00:10:38.080 for them to tour together. Yeah, it'll be a pretty 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:42.279 killer tour So that's funny. That's funny Yeah 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:45.240 for me. I actually had somebody who works on 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.820 our team with us one of our friends who recommended 00:10:48.820 --> 00:10:52.840 Reagan she recommended a And an instrumental 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.500 album to me and it's called midnight prayers 00:10:56.500 --> 00:11:01.200 by Dan Musselman And I never been exposed to 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:04.220 his stuff before at all, but I love like kind 00:11:04.220 --> 00:11:08.580 of quiet, melancholy piano music, especially 00:11:08.580 --> 00:11:11.100 for when I'm working and I need to focus on something. 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:14.799 And so this is pretty cool because it basically 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:19.480 takes like modern worship songs, but it takes 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:22.480 them from being in a major key. Turns them into 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:25.600 a minor key and then like quiet instrumental 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:29.860 piano and so it's kind of cool to just have on 00:11:29.860 --> 00:11:33.600 as background music and I Played it with my family 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.539 the other night We were doing laundry and just 00:11:35.539 --> 00:11:37.120 kind of had it all and trying to like settle 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.559 us down at the end of a day Mm -hmm, but we were 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.519 like, all right who can name what worship song 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:44.659 this is first And so it was kind of a fun thing, 00:11:44.659 --> 00:11:48.399 but it's a really cool Album and so if you're 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:51.570 into that kind of quiet instrumental stuff I 00:11:51.570 --> 00:11:53.850 think it'd be something that you would dig. I 00:11:53.850 --> 00:11:57.269 imagine this is probably gonna end up on my Apple 00:11:57.269 --> 00:12:02.230 Music replay for the year, just because I've 00:12:02.230 --> 00:12:06.029 already played it so much that it'll probably 00:12:06.029 --> 00:12:07.830 pop up up there, which would be kind of a fun 00:12:07.830 --> 00:12:12.330 thing. Yeah, that one's been fun to dig into. 00:12:13.850 --> 00:12:16.590 All right, well, I guess it's time to get into 00:12:16.590 --> 00:12:22.299 our album discussion. for the day. And so Brandon, 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:27.200 you submitted the record, The Boy Versus the 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:31.139 Cynic by John Rubin for us to chat about today. 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:36.320 So I'm gonna give us kind of some, just opening 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.620 info, just a little bio of this. And then I'd 00:12:39.620 --> 00:12:42.299 love to hear for you, like just some of your 00:12:42.299 --> 00:12:44.639 history with the record before we get into it. 00:12:45.070 --> 00:12:48.190 But The Boy Vs. The Cynic is the fourth album 00:12:48.190 --> 00:12:52.250 by John Rubin. It was released in 2005 on Goatee 00:12:52.250 --> 00:12:57.769 Records. It features the hit Nuisance. In 2006, 00:12:57.990 --> 00:13:00.350 the album was nominated for two Dove Awards, 00:13:00.730 --> 00:13:03.730 the rap hip -hop album of the year and recorded 00:13:03.730 --> 00:13:08.730 music packaging of the year at the 37th annual 00:13:08.730 --> 00:13:12.750 Dove Awards. So I don't guess it won. I wonder 00:13:12.750 --> 00:13:15.639 what beat it out for rap and hip -hop. John Rubin 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.759 was always he was just too he was always a man 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.679 was always putting him down now He's on the nomination 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:24.059 list like every year, but he never makes it to 00:13:24.059 --> 00:13:29.879 the I remember being so So bitter when lecrae 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:32.539 got big I guess that would have been like 2009 00:13:32.539 --> 00:13:38.289 2010 and I remember like having people like in 00:13:38.289 --> 00:13:41.490 my class talk about how awesome lecrae was and 00:13:41.490 --> 00:13:43.789 i'm just over there like oh you know john rubin 00:13:43.789 --> 00:13:47.210 and i remember me like i had such a like anti 00:13:47.210 --> 00:13:50.389 -lecrae stance because i felt like he was a threat 00:13:50.389 --> 00:13:53.230 to john rubin and in hindsight i'm like that's 00:13:53.230 --> 00:13:57.470 the most ridiculous thing i've got to have lecrae's 00:13:57.470 --> 00:14:01.080 pretty awesome so I just remember being like, 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:03.159 you guys think that's good. Well, you haven't 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.980 checked out John Rubin yet. And so I just, I 00:14:05.980 --> 00:14:08.740 remember like for the longest time, like just 00:14:08.740 --> 00:14:11.519 whatever Lecrae would release, I would immediately 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:14.120 have to be like, that's not that good. He's just, 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:16.720 he's saying words and there's some music. And 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:19.019 so in hindsight, I'm like, I don't know why I 00:14:19.019 --> 00:14:21.649 had this just. That's funny. I need to repent 00:14:21.649 --> 00:14:26.110 of the the uh anger and jealousy the rage I had 00:14:26.110 --> 00:14:27.909 against the cray. Yeah. Well, that's a that's 00:14:27.909 --> 00:14:29.789 a good call. That's a good call Well, tell us 00:14:29.789 --> 00:14:31.850 a little bit about your history with us and why 00:14:31.850 --> 00:14:34.129 this is like such an important record for you. 00:14:34.129 --> 00:14:38.870 Yeah, so um I wouldn't say this is like my favorite 00:14:38.870 --> 00:14:41.250 or what I think is the best John Rubin album. 00:14:41.450 --> 00:14:46.429 Um for me, it's maybe like one of the most personal 00:14:46.429 --> 00:14:50.259 albums though. Um, and it's because We were on 00:14:50.259 --> 00:14:53.820 family vacation and we stopped by our local family 00:14:53.820 --> 00:14:56.860 Christian bookstore. Um, I feel there's people 00:14:56.860 --> 00:14:58.600 out there. It's going to be like, what, what 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:00.740 is that? What was that? It's a thing that used 00:15:00.740 --> 00:15:03.759 to exist. We used to have stores that had CDs 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.879 in there. Um, and on the back wall, they just 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:12.019 had a bunch of like clearance CDs. And, um, I 00:15:12.019 --> 00:15:16.299 think that I had downloaded. One or two of John 00:15:16.299 --> 00:15:19.480 Rubin songs from goatee records. So I kind of 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:21.840 knew him and I'm like, well this album I'll grab 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:25.460 this one just to get a new album and I took it 00:15:25.460 --> 00:15:30.220 home and like it was like my first experience 00:15:30.220 --> 00:15:33.460 into getting stuff that was like outside of I 00:15:33.460 --> 00:15:36.399 guess like the radio realm or like I had had 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:38.480 Toby Max welcome the Diver City, which I guess 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:41.080 that's like The step but like toby mac still 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:43.820 is like he's established. Mm -hmm was john rubin 00:15:43.820 --> 00:15:46.720 was this guy that I felt like it was the first 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.620 time I had gotten music that I was like Like 00:15:50.620 --> 00:15:53.460 i've discovered this no one else around here 00:15:53.460 --> 00:15:58.019 like knows this so it was so special and um one 00:15:58.019 --> 00:16:00.899 thing I think is cool about it is that uh, so 00:16:00.899 --> 00:16:05.299 originally he submitted two different cds and 00:16:05.299 --> 00:16:08.090 there was one that was very much a like Radio 00:16:08.090 --> 00:16:10.509 -friendly you very like optimistic thing and 00:16:10.509 --> 00:16:12.049 then there was like a side project he was gonna 00:16:12.049 --> 00:16:15.090 do where it was like these darker elements and 00:16:15.090 --> 00:16:19.710 all and goatee thought that Like these more serious 00:16:19.710 --> 00:16:22.610 songs were really cool. So they ended up packaging 00:16:22.610 --> 00:16:27.809 it into One album. So you have this like mix 00:16:27.809 --> 00:16:32.389 of like the like optimistic like sunshine type 00:16:32.389 --> 00:16:35.970 songs in the very just like pessimistic and like 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:40.419 dark side of humanity or whatever and um as a 00:16:40.419 --> 00:16:43.139 kid i just thought that was like really cool 00:16:43.139 --> 00:16:45.740 and even now like i feel like there's a lot of 00:16:45.740 --> 00:16:48.139 artists out there that it's you were joking at 00:16:48.139 --> 00:16:51.139 lunch about how they like choose one of the lanes 00:16:51.139 --> 00:16:54.559 where everything they do like every song is resolved 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.940 by the end it's all happy right or just all they 00:16:57.940 --> 00:17:01.799 do is complain like nothing is good and so like 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:04.700 this album to me is just cool that it's this 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:09.660 balance of like Having this like struggle of 00:17:09.660 --> 00:17:14.119 like optimism versus like cynicism. Yeah. Yeah 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:18.619 when you were telling me that I feel like the 00:17:18.619 --> 00:17:21.480 whole record made so much more sense to me because 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.980 I was noticing that as I was like listening to 00:17:23.980 --> 00:17:27.460 it And the fact that it was gonna be like two 00:17:27.460 --> 00:17:29.559 different projects that they brought together 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:32.480 We'll talk a little bit more about as we get 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:35.529 into it, but I think the album Makes sense makes 00:17:35.529 --> 00:17:39.549 a lot of sense. Yeah end of it But but yeah, 00:17:39.630 --> 00:17:41.910 that's a really cool tidbit that helps just helps 00:17:41.910 --> 00:17:44.910 me kind of understand a little bit more About 00:17:44.910 --> 00:17:47.309 it and John Rubin's like an interesting guy. 00:17:47.309 --> 00:17:51.089 Yeah told me things about him and I'm like What 00:17:51.089 --> 00:17:53.630 are some of the like fascinating things to know 00:17:53.630 --> 00:17:58.390 about about John Rubin? Um Yeah, I just I was 00:17:58.390 --> 00:18:00.750 that person growing up and I still am that I 00:18:00.750 --> 00:18:03.369 just loved getting any information I could about 00:18:03.369 --> 00:18:12.200 them So what's cool to me is that... I'm trying 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:14.160 to find that file in my head that should fill 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.859 with John Rubin facts. I always thought it was 00:18:16.859 --> 00:18:19.920 cool that he like partnered with a lot of these 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:23.619 like lesser known artists. So like we will discuss 00:18:23.619 --> 00:18:26.680 it in there, but this is like House of Heroes. 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:29.180 Like I think around this time this was released, 00:18:29.180 --> 00:18:32.839 they might have released... Maybe their debut 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:35.400 album, but like they weren't really like a household 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:39.079 name. So like to me, it's cool seeing that and 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:43.720 I felt like it was just like His style was way 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:46.440 different than a lot of just like the rappers 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:48.579 at the time Like you hear a song and you know, 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:50.819 it's a John Rubin song. Yeah, like, you know, 00:18:50.819 --> 00:18:55.619 it's not like a kj -52 or like Like a pigeon 00:18:55.619 --> 00:18:59.440 John, you know or whatever So yeah for me, I 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:02.970 feel like that's um that's what stuck out and 00:19:02.970 --> 00:19:06.490 um yeah so i'm trying to think one cool thing 00:19:06.490 --> 00:19:10.650 about this album is that the like the track nuisance 00:19:10.650 --> 00:19:14.130 it has a music video and it's basically just 00:19:14.130 --> 00:19:17.170 like the office and so it's like characters from 00:19:17.170 --> 00:19:19.789 them as characters from the office and so John 00:19:19.789 --> 00:19:23.390 Rubin is Michael Scott like in it and Matt Thiessen 00:19:23.390 --> 00:19:27.220 gets to be Jim Halpert in it so Feel like that 00:19:27.220 --> 00:19:29.640 was a cool like when it first came out. I didn't 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.539 understand why it was so popular Then looking 00:19:32.539 --> 00:19:35.220 back on it. I was like, oh I can appreciate this 00:19:35.220 --> 00:19:39.440 now. So yeah, that's cool Well, let's get into 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:41.980 track by track so we can start talking through 00:19:41.980 --> 00:19:45.859 Through the record a little bit Again, I'll just 00:19:45.859 --> 00:19:48.619 mention for me like I haven't had a history with 00:19:48.619 --> 00:19:52.210 this and so this is this is brand new um for 00:19:52.210 --> 00:19:54.630 me and so it's interesting hearing kind of like 00:19:54.630 --> 00:19:57.910 the different um the different styles that are 00:19:57.910 --> 00:20:00.009 kind of present throughout the record and so 00:20:00.009 --> 00:20:01.950 we'll be able to talk about that as we kind of 00:20:01.950 --> 00:20:05.710 navigate um our way through it so all right so 00:20:05.710 --> 00:20:08.630 the boy versus the cynic john rubin track number 00:20:08.630 --> 00:20:14.390 one is called out of control This is the first 00:20:14.390 --> 00:20:16.910 moment for me, just like, all right, here it 00:20:16.910 --> 00:20:21.390 is. This is John Rubin. And it started out with 00:20:21.390 --> 00:20:23.529 an electric guitar. And I was like, that's cool. 00:20:23.769 --> 00:20:30.069 I like that. It took me a while to like, I mean, 00:20:30.069 --> 00:20:32.349 obviously I knew this was like a rap hip hop 00:20:32.349 --> 00:20:35.890 album, but it didn't start off feeling that way. 00:20:35.930 --> 00:20:37.789 And so I'm like, oh, this is kind of interesting 00:20:37.789 --> 00:20:40.410 that it's a little different. I like the groove 00:20:40.410 --> 00:20:45.200 of the song. um along the way and then then it 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:46.779 kind of got into it and i'm like all right this 00:20:46.779 --> 00:20:50.799 is like this like rap rock kind of like vibe 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:53.440 and i'm like who else has done this and obviously 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:54.940 there have been a lot of people who have done 00:20:54.940 --> 00:20:58.039 this dc talk in the christian world being a prevalent 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:00.940 answer to that beastie boys whatever maybe but 00:21:00.940 --> 00:21:04.079 um but yeah i thought it just wasn't what i expected 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:07.400 in the beginning yeah yeah i i think when reviewing 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:10.660 an album like The opener can sometimes be so 00:21:10.660 --> 00:21:13.119 make I feel like we've reviewed albums even now 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:16.180 that like It doesn't have a solid opener and 00:21:16.180 --> 00:21:18.700 it almost takes away like yeah, like a whole 00:21:18.700 --> 00:21:21.559 point or whatever, you know or whatever i'm like 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:26.539 but I think I think it's a great opener. Um I 00:21:26.539 --> 00:21:29.200 think like I said, and you said it already kind 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:33.039 of establishes that like It's not what you like 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:35.079 expect and I remember back in the day just kind 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:38.019 of being a felon like All all or most of the 00:21:38.019 --> 00:21:40.000 rap music I had heard was in this group over 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.839 here and then John Rubin was like over here where 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:45.359 it's like Hey, we don't have to sound the same. 00:21:45.380 --> 00:21:49.079 We don't have to sing about the same stuff um 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:53.980 I I was wondering like so for me I always felt 00:21:53.980 --> 00:21:58.819 like All of the songs fit like the boy versus 00:21:58.819 --> 00:22:02.680 the cynic like going forward but this one I guess 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:04.880 if you had to put it you would put it into like 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:09.609 the Optimistic category, but do you do you feel 00:22:09.609 --> 00:22:11.609 like it felt like having listened to the rest 00:22:11.609 --> 00:22:13.329 of the album? did you feel like it felt or did 00:22:13.329 --> 00:22:16.990 it feel like oh, it's a good song, but it feels 00:22:16.990 --> 00:22:21.450 like it's just There to be an opener to establish 00:22:21.450 --> 00:22:24.750 Yeah, that's a good question because it it's 00:22:24.750 --> 00:22:26.869 not leaning hard in either direction. Yeah, it's 00:22:26.869 --> 00:22:30.470 kind of a middle -road Song just from from what 00:22:30.470 --> 00:22:32.910 I noticed from the record and so yeah, I don't 00:22:32.910 --> 00:22:35.670 really I didn't really feel it Leaning in one 00:22:35.670 --> 00:22:37.789 way or another. Yeah, but with that it kind of 00:22:37.789 --> 00:22:40.730 felt like a song that kind of like brings the 00:22:40.730 --> 00:22:43.950 two worlds together a little bit Yeah, like here's 00:22:43.950 --> 00:22:47.710 kind of on average what you're like the average 00:22:47.710 --> 00:22:49.589 or the mean of what you're gonna be experiencing 00:22:49.589 --> 00:22:53.170 throughout this So yeah, I thought I thought 00:22:53.170 --> 00:22:56.289 it was a fun opener and I like I like that it 00:22:56.289 --> 00:23:01.650 surprised me. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah So 00:23:01.650 --> 00:23:03.970 track two is Nuisance, which I'm guessing is 00:23:03.970 --> 00:23:07.849 the single from the record, since it's the one 00:23:07.849 --> 00:23:12.829 with the music video. It's the one that got released 00:23:12.829 --> 00:23:16.730 that way. So what are your thoughts on that track? 00:23:17.289 --> 00:23:21.509 I like it a lot. I feel like it makes sense why 00:23:21.509 --> 00:23:26.490 it was the single. I really enjoy Matt Thiessen. 00:23:27.690 --> 00:23:30.130 I feel like it works and I think to it like it 00:23:30.130 --> 00:23:34.710 establishes that like, um, it's not a song. It's 00:23:34.710 --> 00:23:39.089 not a CD where every song fits into, um, one 00:23:39.089 --> 00:23:42.309 or two of those categories. So I, I appreciate 00:23:42.309 --> 00:23:44.490 a song that can have this like, Oh, there's just 00:23:44.490 --> 00:23:47.230 struggle we're working through. And then you 00:23:47.230 --> 00:23:50.369 see where it's gone. It's not just to like, Oh, 00:23:50.369 --> 00:23:51.950 things are bad and all of a sudden it's good 00:23:51.950 --> 00:23:55.069 or whatever. Um, so I mean, I, I feel like it. 00:23:55.180 --> 00:23:59.279 it works like I know that and I've probably sang 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.019 along to the song a couple of hundred times in 00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:03.579 the car so I feel like that's always like it's 00:24:03.579 --> 00:24:06.039 a good sign of a song when you're like oh you 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:09.319 it's hard to not sing along with it yeah yeah 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:12.460 I felt that way about it too I love um again 00:24:12.460 --> 00:24:15.980 it started out with guitar um and I loved it 00:24:15.980 --> 00:24:18.799 and a little more kind of like indie almost kind 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.920 of pop punk kind of feel to it um and um I thought 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:29.009 that this one was super fun. I really liked everything 00:24:29.009 --> 00:24:30.950 about it. It's one of my one of my favorite tracks 00:24:30.950 --> 00:24:35.130 on the record, for sure. And there's like there's 00:24:35.130 --> 00:24:37.650 this really low bass running throughout it, which 00:24:37.650 --> 00:24:39.349 I thought was really interesting. I didn't bring 00:24:39.349 --> 00:24:41.910 this up at the beginning, but the production 00:24:41.910 --> 00:24:44.490 on this record is pretty impeccable. Like it's 00:24:44.490 --> 00:24:47.049 really the production level is really high. Yeah, 00:24:47.049 --> 00:24:50.519 it's very. Very well produced and so this one 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:53.099 was a lot of fun. I like the drop towards the 00:24:53.099 --> 00:24:56.779 end that really kind of let you feel the melody 00:24:56.779 --> 00:24:59.140 and what's happening just in a different kind 00:24:59.140 --> 00:25:01.059 of way. I feel like moments like that are good 00:25:01.059 --> 00:25:04.000 because you experience a song in one context 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.519 and it's kind of fun to drop it out of that context 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:09.119 into like a completely different kind of feel 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:12.660 and be like, oh yeah, that melody like really 00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:15.500 works. And so yeah, I thought it was cool. I 00:25:15.500 --> 00:25:19.680 had great outro too. Yeah. um so we move on to 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:23.559 the next song chapter one um this is a track 00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:27.799 that like when i first got the the CD like i 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:31.279 never truly appreciated and i never really liked 00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:35.710 and fast forward like Was it, you know, like 00:25:35.710 --> 00:25:38.329 18 years or whatever. I still don't care for 00:25:38.329 --> 00:25:43.390 it. So I was wondering where that was going. 00:25:43.609 --> 00:25:46.509 I think I was trying because I was like, you 00:25:46.509 --> 00:25:50.529 can't just leave it with don't care for it. I 00:25:50.529 --> 00:25:53.990 think like lyrically, it starts off with like, 00:25:54.170 --> 00:25:56.589 OK, now we're we're going to spotlight some of 00:25:56.589 --> 00:26:00.809 the like cynical side of the album. I think it's 00:26:00.809 --> 00:26:03.650 the music that I just find like annoying. I think 00:26:03.650 --> 00:26:07.240 that's the Biggest attachment and I think that 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:12.140 like out of the two categories, I think this 00:26:12.140 --> 00:26:17.579 was the weakest like like angry or cynical song 00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:20.819 How do you feel about it? Yeah, I think I think 00:26:20.819 --> 00:26:23.880 we agree probably on that. I actually when it 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:27.220 started I was like, this is interesting musically. 00:26:27.220 --> 00:26:30.619 I like what was going on But then like it didn't 00:26:30.619 --> 00:26:34.759 change at all and it just kept going And it finally 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:36.900 eventually adapted a little bit and did something 00:26:36.900 --> 00:26:39.599 that's a little different. Yeah, obviously It's 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:42.460 a song where they want the focus to be on what 00:26:42.460 --> 00:26:45.259 he's saying What he's communicating rather than 00:26:45.259 --> 00:26:47.480 trying to accomplish something musically, but 00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:51.089 I'm like, I'm a I'm a chorus guy. Yeah, I want 00:26:51.089 --> 00:26:53.809 a chorus. Yeah, something to bring this whole 00:26:53.809 --> 00:26:56.589 thing together and make it feel like we're part 00:26:56.589 --> 00:26:59.009 of something. And it just never really got to 00:26:59.009 --> 00:27:02.130 where I felt like I wanted it to go. And so, 00:27:02.130 --> 00:27:03.829 yeah, I think I'm with you. It's kind of a weaker 00:27:03.829 --> 00:27:06.230 spot for the record. I think it would have worked 00:27:06.230 --> 00:27:08.210 if it would have been maybe like a minute long, 00:27:08.269 --> 00:27:12.190 like interlude or something setting up, which 00:27:12.190 --> 00:27:16.880 I mean, I think like on an album like this. It's 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:19.480 nice to have those little breaks, which I guess 00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:21.599 like, you know, we'll talk about it, but like 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:24.079 having the happy songs thrown in helps with that. 00:27:24.099 --> 00:27:26.200 But I feel like it's a, you know, if you just 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:28.420 added one or two interludes throughout the album, 00:27:28.420 --> 00:27:31.700 it kind of helps with this like transition or 00:27:31.700 --> 00:27:34.900 like the story you're going for. Yeah, maybe 00:27:34.900 --> 00:27:39.019 it just went on a little too long. Yeah. Next 00:27:39.019 --> 00:27:42.799 up is Follow Your Leader. I think it's the first 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.160 track that's just like aggressively in your face 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.940 with like we're like, I don't know like you hear 00:27:48.940 --> 00:27:50.539 something about like oh, we're gonna have like 00:27:50.539 --> 00:27:52.980 the sad, you know, whatever and it's the first 00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:56.599 one that's very much like Yeah, we're gonna get 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:01.220 very like honest about stuff. Mm -hmm. And so 00:28:01.220 --> 00:28:04.660 I think that yeah, I feel like this this shows 00:28:04.660 --> 00:28:08.519 you a sign of things to come and I know it's 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:12.750 a song that I Enjoyed then I enjoy now. So so 00:28:12.750 --> 00:28:15.349 do you feel like this one fits into the boy? 00:28:16.910 --> 00:28:20.589 Just kidding. I know it's very obvious Yeah, 00:28:20.829 --> 00:28:23.849 yeah this this one was interesting for me. I 00:28:23.849 --> 00:28:26.349 felt like in the beginning it reminded me of 00:28:26.349 --> 00:28:28.970 like a Beck song I don't listen to back very 00:28:28.970 --> 00:28:32.809 much but I kind of had the feel of like a bet 00:28:32.809 --> 00:28:36.430 kind of groove With where he was going the chorus 00:28:36.430 --> 00:28:40.420 on it is like huge and kind of bonkers Um, and 00:28:40.420 --> 00:28:44.220 so that, that was kind of interesting. Um, I 00:28:44.220 --> 00:28:48.019 did like the bridge, um, a lot towards the end. 00:28:48.259 --> 00:28:51.720 Um, yeah, he's definitely got something to say 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:56.319 and, um, and he says it and, um, so yeah, I, 00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.039 I liked, I liked this one. It was interesting, 00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:03.420 uh, different, um, really different from most 00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:05.579 of the record in a pretty significant way. So 00:29:05.579 --> 00:29:09.759 it stands out in that sense at least. Yeah. So 00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:14.720 track number five is sales pitch What what were 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.000 your thoughts on that one? So I think the the 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.099 line that sums it up well is from politics to 00:29:21.099 --> 00:29:22.980 the dude trying to play it cool on the dance 00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:28.500 floor Everyone's got an agenda One thing I like 00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:32.400 is that it can start sounding so repetitive when 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.720 you have like an album that's like, all right, 00:29:34.779 --> 00:29:38.359 here's two subjects we're covering. And I think 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:43.140 with this one, I like the shift in like, it's 00:29:43.140 --> 00:29:48.059 not just this big like, oh, it's the man or something. 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.220 Like this is something where it's like, hey, 00:29:51.220 --> 00:29:53.019 you gotta watch with all this stuff. And even 00:29:53.019 --> 00:29:56.500 we were talking about this in MC the other day 00:29:56.500 --> 00:29:59.420 about how we start talking about like, Being 00:29:59.420 --> 00:30:01.660 of the world or something and we're like, oh 00:30:01.660 --> 00:30:05.539 that has to be like Drinking or it has to be 00:30:05.539 --> 00:30:07.519 stealing, you know or something like that. Yeah, 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:10.359 and I was like, you know, I look at stuff just 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:14.440 like Hating your job or something. I was like 00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.259 there's sometimes where I'm like It would be 00:30:17.259 --> 00:30:19.059 so much easier if I just told people like yeah 00:30:19.059 --> 00:30:20.839 I don't care for my job because it almost is 00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:23.660 like harder sometimes to be like hey, I enjoy 00:30:23.869 --> 00:30:26.869 both my jobs like I enjoy who I work with and 00:30:26.869 --> 00:30:29.809 it almost feels weird like a you're not supposed 00:30:29.809 --> 00:30:33.970 to say that and um so I feel like with with this 00:30:33.970 --> 00:30:38.049 song I appreciate that it's a like hey this applies 00:30:38.049 --> 00:30:41.549 to everyone on here like it's not just uh hey 00:30:41.549 --> 00:30:44.990 I'm calling you out if you're like you know you 00:30:44.990 --> 00:30:47.890 if you work in I don't know like the insurance 00:30:47.890 --> 00:30:50.369 agency or something or you know it's not this 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:52.960 you're you're hurting people or whatever it's 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.180 something that's like hey no matter what position 00:30:55.180 --> 00:30:58.240 you're in you could be doing something that like 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:04.380 um is like bad or whatever yeah i felt like this 00:31:04.380 --> 00:31:08.440 one reminded me at least in moments a little 00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:13.180 bit of the beastie boys um and so um there are 00:31:13.180 --> 00:31:16.240 things that i really liked about it um i liked 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:19.859 i liked the like really like quick fast rapping 00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:23.380 kind of at the universe too. I didn't really 00:31:23.380 --> 00:31:26.480 love the chorus like it didn't go where I wanted 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.140 it to go yeah so yeah this one for me is kind 00:31:30.140 --> 00:31:34.940 of like a meh song but um but um I probably should 00:31:34.940 --> 00:31:37.160 have paid more attention to the lyrics like you 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:39.460 I definitely was reading through them as I was 00:31:39.460 --> 00:31:42.180 going but um well this is um because this is 00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:44.859 the chorus that's like the You have like the 00:31:44.859 --> 00:31:47.359 almost like the whispered like this person singing 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:49.960 then you have like John saying the random stuff 00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:52.680 like yeah do yourselves pitch and I feel like 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.119 yeah that stuff it's like a would you a hollow 00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:58.200 chorus or something where you're like no come 00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:02.079 on let one person John either you say more words 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.440 with this guy whispering turn him up so I can 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.799 hear him yeah maybe that's what it was I don't 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:13.730 know um but track six um sunshine This definitely 00:32:13.730 --> 00:32:17.369 falls into the boy category This one was super 00:32:17.369 --> 00:32:23.210 peppy and I like peppy. Uh -huh. And so I really 00:32:23.210 --> 00:32:25.069 like this song. This is one of my favorites on 00:32:25.069 --> 00:32:29.710 the record it's there's like a There's like a 00:32:29.710 --> 00:32:33.230 down strum like walk down that happens a lot 00:32:33.230 --> 00:32:35.829 throughout it That's just like a really nice 00:32:35.829 --> 00:32:39.269 like melodical thing. That's yeah happening and 00:32:39.269 --> 00:32:41.869 that part where they're like give me some sunshine 00:32:41.869 --> 00:32:44.849 that part I thought was was really cool. And 00:32:44.849 --> 00:32:47.369 there's another drop out I love that kind of 00:32:47.369 --> 00:32:50.230 does the same thing that Nuisance does earlier. 00:32:50.230 --> 00:32:54.369 Yeah. And so so far I'm super digging these happy 00:32:54.369 --> 00:32:57.230 songs. So I really like that one. I don't know 00:32:57.230 --> 00:33:02.029 about you. I feel like it. it feels like a little 00:33:02.029 --> 00:33:06.349 out of left field like um when you've had these 00:33:06.349 --> 00:33:08.829 last couple of tracks right you're like yeah 00:33:08.829 --> 00:33:10.970 yeah we're getting we're getting angry or like 00:33:10.970 --> 00:33:14.190 things are bad and then this hits um that's such 00:33:14.190 --> 00:33:16.269 the interesting thing about this album though 00:33:16.269 --> 00:33:21.089 um but i i think i thought about like doesn't 00:33:21.089 --> 00:33:24.009 improve the album if you make it half and half 00:33:24.009 --> 00:33:27.869 and i feel like ultimately when you get to the 00:33:27.869 --> 00:33:33.150 end Think that having that chaos like It's it 00:33:33.150 --> 00:33:36.269 feels like that's what John was going for is 00:33:36.269 --> 00:33:38.609 that it's not like let's be clean and separate 00:33:38.609 --> 00:33:43.390 the stuff But yeah, I I really liked this track 00:33:43.390 --> 00:33:48.170 when I was younger I think now if I'm like nitpicking 00:33:48.170 --> 00:33:52.809 I think it like it could be seen as kind of cheesy 00:33:52.809 --> 00:33:57.049 and I think that like if I had to choose one 00:33:57.049 --> 00:34:00.509 this might be like what I think I think it might 00:34:00.509 --> 00:34:03.829 be the weakest like happy track I think it's 00:34:03.829 --> 00:34:07.630 maybe what chapter one is to like the like yeah 00:34:07.630 --> 00:34:11.610 cynical side of the album is that it's like it's 00:34:11.610 --> 00:34:16.639 it's there um but yeah Feel like it's it's still 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:18.980 good. I remember I remember I used to get that 00:34:18.980 --> 00:34:22.840 and nuisance mixed up and maybe It was a do happy 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.860 songs, right? Um, but so we move next into so 00:34:27.860 --> 00:34:32.000 glad What do you think about this one Joel? So 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.960 I love the like Like this is just like a dance 00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.480 song. Uh -huh. It's really fun. It makes you 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:45.239 makes you want to dance The chorus, for the energy 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.800 that the song was bringing, the chorus didn't 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:51.519 hit like I wanted it to when it got there, and 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.019 so I felt like that part of it was a little lacking, 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:59.340 and so I didn't enjoy it as much as Nuisance 00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:01.579 or something like that, but I still thought it 00:35:01.579 --> 00:35:07.019 was a fun song. I used to not like it, but now 00:35:07.019 --> 00:35:11.460 in the past 10 years or so, Like i've added it 00:35:11.460 --> 00:35:13.820 to a lot of like playlists when i'm like traveling 00:35:13.820 --> 00:35:17.099 places and um When I first like got this album. 00:35:17.099 --> 00:35:20.179 I had no idea who house of heroes was so like 00:35:20.179 --> 00:35:23.500 whenever I got into them It was so cool going 00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:26.579 back and be like that's that's tim. I know him 00:35:26.579 --> 00:35:31.099 and um, I think this is a track that like It 00:35:31.099 --> 00:35:33.900 would be so good to hear alive because I feel 00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:37.599 like it's almost written to be a live track where 00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.599 you have like that like I think like The chorus 00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:43.119 going on I feel like it's more about just the 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:46.179 party that's happening there Than the actual 00:35:46.179 --> 00:35:51.360 like song i'm going on um So I feel like like 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.460 live this would be such a it would translate 00:35:54.460 --> 00:35:57.880 Maybe even better like if you're sitting there 00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.619 at the show and you're surrounded by I don't 00:36:00.619 --> 00:36:04.119 know like anywhere from 200 to 200 million, you 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:08.639 know, john I can feel that for sure. Yeah. Yeah, 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.610 I get that Alright, so let's talk about track 00:36:12.610 --> 00:36:16.469 eight. What about them? Mm -hmm Brandon who is 00:36:16.469 --> 00:36:23.230 them? Them or it's them, you know, it's them 00:36:23.230 --> 00:36:27.469 What's funny is I got mixed up and at first I 00:36:27.469 --> 00:36:29.829 was like I thought them was like the bad guy 00:36:29.829 --> 00:36:37.889 I wrote about this one that I just love how honest 00:36:37.889 --> 00:36:42.389 this album is and um and I thought about like 00:36:42.389 --> 00:36:47.730 how I felt like it was provocative at the time 00:36:47.730 --> 00:36:52.090 but now it's like I I wonder if this would get 00:36:52.090 --> 00:36:56.010 released or at least like on on like a you know 00:36:56.010 --> 00:36:57.750 maybe it was like an indie release or something 00:36:57.750 --> 00:37:01.809 but I feel like goatee is like I would say it's 00:37:01.809 --> 00:37:04.789 top four Christian label top five like it's somewhere 00:37:04.789 --> 00:37:10.510 there and um but Yeah I feel like it's just like 00:37:10.510 --> 00:37:15.829 it's a super honest um like track and I think 00:37:15.829 --> 00:37:19.730 I think for me with John it was it I've always 00:37:19.730 --> 00:37:22.309 been more of like a lyric person so I feel like 00:37:22.309 --> 00:37:25.250 that's probably a trend on this is that I feel 00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:27.349 like a lot of tracks it's more about like judging 00:37:27.349 --> 00:37:29.369 what the lyrics whereas for you it's like hey 00:37:29.369 --> 00:37:32.369 this is cool drop down or whatever um which I 00:37:32.369 --> 00:37:34.250 feel like it's cool to highlight because no one 00:37:34.250 --> 00:37:35.989 wants to hear a podcast where it's all about 00:37:35.989 --> 00:37:38.820 like Well, the music's whatever but if you just 00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:41.980 get a lyric book like that's where all the like 00:37:41.980 --> 00:37:45.980 treasure is um, but yeah, I just I just I just 00:37:45.980 --> 00:37:50.480 remember thinking like man, this is like it's 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:54.500 cool how much like Artistic freedom is there 00:37:54.500 --> 00:37:57.159 a song just that's what stands out to me about 00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.559 it. Yeah, this reminded me not not musically, 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:02.360 of course, but Lyrically, it kind of reminded 00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:05.139 me of like a five iron frenzy song. They yeah, 00:38:05.179 --> 00:38:10.039 they have like three or four songs about like 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:14.679 Native Americans and mistreatment. So like they're 00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.639 constantly causing us to look at ourselves and 00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.880 see how we treat people that are more marginalized. 00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.000 And so as I was listening to the song, I just 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.320 like caught wind and kind of felt kind of the 00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.739 same kind of ideas, just helping us to keep our 00:38:29.739 --> 00:38:33.059 eyes like. not just on people who are like us 00:38:33.059 --> 00:38:34.699 and have walked through what we've walked through 00:38:34.699 --> 00:38:38.739 in life, but how can we put our eyes on people 00:38:38.739 --> 00:38:41.800 who maybe have had a different experience and 00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.719 have had to walk through some tougher stuff than 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:48.500 we have? What about them? So I felt that was 00:38:48.500 --> 00:38:54.920 kind of cool about that one. Next up we've got, 00:38:55.099 --> 00:38:59.920 there's only forgiveness. What about this track 00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:03.159 Joel? How where did this rank for you in the? 00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:08.500 This is depressing So it reminded me a little 00:39:08.500 --> 00:39:12.179 bit of like an Eminem song, uh -huh, which You 00:39:12.179 --> 00:39:14.159 can probably correct me, but I feel like John 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:17.320 Rubin and Eminem had or maybe that was kj -5 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.860 to you thing back and forth thing I don't know. 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:23.500 Oh, yeah, it was kj -5 to you had the like it 00:39:23.500 --> 00:39:27.960 was like the What's like Eminem's is like Stan 00:39:28.090 --> 00:39:32.369 And then KJ 5 2s was like dear slim or he wrote 00:39:32.369 --> 00:39:34.829 like a track to him about like you need to stop. 00:39:35.050 --> 00:39:37.989 That makes sense. Yeah, this one just felt a 00:39:37.989 --> 00:39:41.030 little Eminem, like the beat was cool. Like it 00:39:41.030 --> 00:39:43.550 wasn't just a standard beat. And so I thought 00:39:43.550 --> 00:39:47.090 that was neat. And there's a total like shift 00:39:47.090 --> 00:39:49.289 that happens in the song. Yeah. Way through, 00:39:49.829 --> 00:39:53.019 which I thought was. Cool and interesting. Yeah 00:39:53.019 --> 00:39:55.679 at that point it felt like a move from an Eminem 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:59.599 song to like a pod song Yeah, and like a lighter 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.860 pod song with some of the like classical guitar 00:40:02.860 --> 00:40:06.780 and And so yeah, I thought this one was cool. 00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:11.559 I liked it. I um, I like I like the so I really 00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:14.519 like the shift at the end because I wrote down 00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.840 that like It might have been my favorite like 00:40:18.010 --> 00:40:20.289 Bridge slash like ending or whatever you want 00:40:20.289 --> 00:40:22.730 to call it to like the entire album. Yeah, because 00:40:22.730 --> 00:40:25.849 I feel like it I don't know it gets like eerie 00:40:25.849 --> 00:40:29.949 or whatever like towards the end I like lyrically 00:40:29.949 --> 00:40:35.449 the shift where a lot of the other like Scenic 00:40:35.449 --> 00:40:39.210 tracks have been an opinion on the outward and 00:40:39.210 --> 00:40:41.909 I feel like this song is a lot about like the 00:40:41.909 --> 00:40:44.849 inward struggle where it's like him saying like 00:40:44.849 --> 00:40:48.670 I don't want to like let go of this pain. I want 00:40:48.670 --> 00:40:53.030 to hold on to it. So like I just I enjoy that 00:40:53.030 --> 00:40:57.170 it's not just a pointing the finger like at everything. 00:40:57.329 --> 00:41:01.050 It's like taking this inward look and and I feel 00:41:01.050 --> 00:41:06.409 like that for me it helps not every track start 00:41:06.409 --> 00:41:08.730 feeling the same kind of the same way with like 00:41:08.730 --> 00:41:11.909 the like happier tracks that you don't want everything 00:41:11.909 --> 00:41:14.409 just to be like Things can be kind of tough, 00:41:14.530 --> 00:41:16.250 but guess what? I'm happy. Like you want there 00:41:16.250 --> 00:41:20.250 to be a little bit of like difference. Speaking 00:41:20.250 --> 00:41:25.289 of we moved to our next track. All I have. What 00:41:25.289 --> 00:41:26.829 do you think about this one? Do you find it to 00:41:26.829 --> 00:41:34.869 be cynical or? No, it wasn't. This one was cool. 00:41:36.170 --> 00:41:39.510 I like the acoustic guitar kind of groove to 00:41:39.510 --> 00:41:45.519 it. It's more. It's like that, it's not like 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.199 rapping or singing. It's that world that exists 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:51.440 between the two. And I kind of like that sometimes. 00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.679 I think that's fun. And I bet it's probably fun 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:55.920 for him to do, just to do something that's a 00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:57.840 little different. And so I thought the chorus 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.599 was great. I liked the feel of it. I wanted to 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.300 kind of sing along with it. So for me, it was 00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:05.340 like a highlight song. But again, it's one of 00:42:05.340 --> 00:42:09.780 the happier feeling ones. Yeah, this this used 00:42:09.780 --> 00:42:14.880 to be a skip track when I was younger. And it's 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.619 weird because I feel like that and like sunshine 00:42:17.619 --> 00:42:21.599 like switched where now it's like I appreciate 00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:25.360 all I have more. Yeah. And I think it's like 00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:27.579 I don't I don't know who you were when you were 00:42:27.579 --> 00:42:30.739 younger, but I felt like younger. I didn't like 00:42:30.739 --> 00:42:33.219 when there was a shift like when I when a artist 00:42:33.219 --> 00:42:35.980 did something different. It was like. No, I like 00:42:35.980 --> 00:42:38.860 what you did on this track now Give that to me 00:42:38.860 --> 00:42:41.059 like, you know for the next right 20 albums you 00:42:41.059 --> 00:42:44.260 release. Yeah, and um, so now like listening 00:42:44.260 --> 00:42:48.099 back I appreciate how it has this like you said 00:42:48.099 --> 00:42:52.139 like this like acoustic like feel to it um, and 00:42:52.139 --> 00:42:55.679 I I like how it like it feels like there's an 00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:00.280 authentic hopefulness to it. Yeah, and um You 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:03.840 know, I I keep going back to it's so easy for 00:43:04.030 --> 00:43:06.469 these songs to fall into a category where it's 00:43:06.469 --> 00:43:10.230 just okay I need this to be like angry and but 00:43:10.230 --> 00:43:12.469 I feel like with the tracks there's a thought 00:43:12.469 --> 00:43:16.590 put into okay how what am I feeling how do I 00:43:16.590 --> 00:43:19.289 express it not just uh okay we have to get this 00:43:19.289 --> 00:43:22.670 album out like we need two more like angry songs 00:43:22.670 --> 00:43:29.630 or whatever yeah um next one is cooperate what 00:43:29.630 --> 00:43:34.760 are your thoughts on cooperating Yeah. Um, so 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:38.480 cooperate. I thought it was cool. I liked the, 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:42.760 um, I like the message that's going on of just 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:47.679 like the idea of like needing to grow up and, 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.599 um, and like almost kind of like being a, you're 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:55.739 like, you feel like you're like so unique and 00:43:55.739 --> 00:43:58.460 like you're the, you're the cool thing or whatever 00:43:58.460 --> 00:44:01.239 that, um, that you're actually kind of like. 00:44:01.389 --> 00:44:04.690 Selling out and it's time to just grow up and 00:44:04.690 --> 00:44:08.030 get yeah get over yourself a little bit And so 00:44:08.030 --> 00:44:10.230 I thought that was kind of cool again here reminded 00:44:10.230 --> 00:44:12.829 me of a fire and frenzy song handbook for the 00:44:12.829 --> 00:44:17.010 sellout For some reason and so yeah, I thought 00:44:17.010 --> 00:44:23.730 this was a cool one. It's cool Yeah, you oh yeah, 00:44:23.730 --> 00:44:28.969 I forgot it Yeah, I like the chorus a lot on 00:44:28.969 --> 00:44:33.980 this one Lyrically, I like how it goes back to 00:44:33.980 --> 00:44:38.960 like very Specific it's not just like hey all 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.139 you people who are fake. It's bad like it It 00:44:42.139 --> 00:44:44.619 feels like they're someone he's thinking about 00:44:44.619 --> 00:44:46.760 or it's like someone he's encountered a lot. 00:44:46.780 --> 00:44:52.039 Yeah I know to like in just like the like, you 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.139 know Goes back to like the rap world. I feel 00:44:55.139 --> 00:44:57.980 like there's a lot of this like fakeness and 00:44:57.980 --> 00:45:01.440 you see that a lot I mean, it's probably the 00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.119 same way like in like the rock world too, but 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:08.420 I guess just for like this sake, that was something 00:45:08.420 --> 00:45:12.440 is that I felt like that was a push in John's 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:16.360 like music to was that like it was let's be different 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:18.480 and almost kind of like mocking that thing of 00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.579 like, yeah, I could sell more, but it's like 00:45:21.579 --> 00:45:24.559 I'm not being authentic if I go to this crowd 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.300 and I start saying like, you know, and I think 00:45:27.300 --> 00:45:31.760 this album too, it's like, um it's like you're 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.639 you're kind of firing shots all across the board 00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.539 like it's not something where he's saying like 00:45:37.539 --> 00:45:40.539 the church is corrupt or it's like oh everything 00:45:40.539 --> 00:45:43.920 outside of the church is corrupt right and um 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.239 i think that's like that's a cool part about 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:51.440 this song is that it feels like this is he's 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.380 calling out someone different from the other 00:45:53.380 --> 00:45:57.260 ones and um i don't know i feel like this album 00:45:57.260 --> 00:45:59.980 shows oh A lot of probably why john rubin never 00:45:59.980 --> 00:46:02.539 got a ton of traction was that it was kind of 00:46:02.539 --> 00:46:05.840 like, uh Yeah, we're let's we're gonna call all 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.780 of this out or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, that's good 00:46:08.780 --> 00:46:12.579 um, so track number 12 the last track on the 00:46:12.579 --> 00:46:16.260 record, um is the Um where we get the title of 00:46:16.260 --> 00:46:21.670 the album the boy versus the cynic this is where 00:46:21.670 --> 00:46:25.170 this whole record made sense for me. Like I'm 00:46:25.170 --> 00:46:27.250 listening through it and I'm like, I feel like 00:46:27.250 --> 00:46:29.670 this is all over the place. There's like some 00:46:29.670 --> 00:46:33.409 pretty hard cynicism about the world, about the 00:46:33.409 --> 00:46:35.230 church, about lots of different things. And then 00:46:35.230 --> 00:46:39.670 there's just like, guys, life is good. Like what's 00:46:39.670 --> 00:46:43.230 going on? And then this track hits and I'm like, 00:46:43.389 --> 00:46:47.110 okay. Uh -huh. I get it. Like I understand what's 00:46:47.110 --> 00:46:51.030 happening here. And so, um, I feel like Just 00:46:51.030 --> 00:46:53.469 this putting this track at the end of the record 00:46:53.469 --> 00:46:56.969 like automatically raises this this like whole 00:46:56.969 --> 00:46:59.510 album up for me because I understand it, um, 00:46:59.570 --> 00:47:02.769 and I feel like it The album doesn't make sense 00:47:02.769 --> 00:47:05.690 without this song and yeah, it's got a really 00:47:05.690 --> 00:47:08.610 important place. Um, plus I think it's good like 00:47:08.610 --> 00:47:12.570 uh, I like the guitars um, they they do like 00:47:12.570 --> 00:47:16.869 a Doubling of the vocals. Yeah chorus at some 00:47:16.869 --> 00:47:20.210 point, which I think is is really fun The lyrics 00:47:20.210 --> 00:47:22.949 are cool. Like I just think he says a lot here 00:47:22.949 --> 00:47:26.289 that really yes a nice bow around this and I 00:47:26.289 --> 00:47:29.949 thought that was awesome Yeah, I think that um 00:47:29.949 --> 00:47:33.070 Like I think for me this track was like life 00:47:33.070 --> 00:47:35.829 -altering but to give it like a real review and 00:47:35.829 --> 00:47:43.559 not Life -altering Like I really enjoyed um, 00:47:43.659 --> 00:47:47.539 like you said how it sums up the album and like 00:47:47.539 --> 00:47:50.039 There's so many times where I think about like 00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:53.440 how an album begins and sometimes it's like albums 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:56.780 get this pass if it like Tapers off or like there's 00:47:56.780 --> 00:47:58.500 albums where i'm like, you know, the first like 00:47:58.500 --> 00:48:01.079 eight songs really good, but the last three Yeah, 00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:02.840 we don't have to talk about them. But I think 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:06.739 this is an album that it's like The beginning 00:48:06.739 --> 00:48:09.980 and the end are just so strong is the kind of 00:48:09.980 --> 00:48:14.230 like lifts like the rest of it yeah um and i 00:48:14.230 --> 00:48:17.230 think tim skipper's like presence on it like 00:48:17.230 --> 00:48:20.869 is just like it does so much for like the chorus 00:48:20.869 --> 00:48:24.690 like i feel like i'm like i'm experiencing what 00:48:24.690 --> 00:48:28.369 this person is experiencing yeah and like i i 00:48:28.369 --> 00:48:31.469 sometimes think it's like it we think it's so 00:48:31.469 --> 00:48:34.570 easy with like a song for it to like impact someone 00:48:34.570 --> 00:48:36.710 and think about like a movie where it's like 00:48:36.710 --> 00:48:39.820 you have like 100 million dollars and you've 00:48:39.820 --> 00:48:43.239 got two and a half hours to like Get people like 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:46.719 into your story and to like change their mind 00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:48.480 or change their life or make them feel these 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.960 emotions and I look at music sometimes and I 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.960 think Like how difficult is that when you have 00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:59.760 like two to four minutes? To be like I need to 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.199 get your attention I need to like make you feel 00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.460 this way or whatever like it's almost like that 00:49:04.460 --> 00:49:06.840 like elevator pitch or it's like you have a business 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.070 and you have 20 seconds you know to tell me what 00:49:10.070 --> 00:49:13.210 your business is versus the 20 minute presentation 00:49:13.210 --> 00:49:19.210 um so but i i think it does uh really well um 00:49:19.210 --> 00:49:20.909 and like we both said i feel like it does put 00:49:20.909 --> 00:49:24.909 that uh bow on the album yeah yeah it's cool 00:49:24.909 --> 00:49:29.010 and that kind of is my like kind of summary thought 00:49:29.010 --> 00:49:31.969 of all this is just that there's this nice little 00:49:31.969 --> 00:49:36.010 tie that happens there between these two different 00:49:36.010 --> 00:49:39.030 worlds that he's kind of introducing us to through 00:49:39.030 --> 00:49:42.389 this. And so, yeah, I love I love that last song 00:49:42.389 --> 00:49:47.110 and I love what it does for the album in a really 00:49:47.110 --> 00:49:50.809 cool way. So, yeah, what are your final thoughts 00:49:50.809 --> 00:49:59.150 or anything else? I guess final thoughts like. 00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:02.960 for me, I I think it's cool when you go back 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:06.940 and you like revisit music like this because 00:50:06.940 --> 00:50:10.260 like I said There was other CDs where I'm like, 00:50:10.260 --> 00:50:13.099 oh man, every single track on this is amazing 00:50:13.099 --> 00:50:16.659 But I was like this is one that I haven't listened 00:50:16.659 --> 00:50:20.179 to like through like all the way and I think 00:50:20.179 --> 00:50:24.559 it is more of a discussion because it like, you 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.559 know, I could see someone loving or hating this 00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.619 album just because it doesn't fit into that nice 00:50:30.619 --> 00:50:32.940 thing of like everything is bad or everything 00:50:32.940 --> 00:50:36.300 is good or Here's our target or that's our target. 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:42.239 Like it's it's a very Like I don't know like 00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.360 John Rubin releasing what John Rubin wants to 00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:47.059 release go to you releasing what John Rubin needs 00:50:49.860 --> 00:50:51.840 Yeah, that's cool. All right. Well, let's talk 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:56.739 about our overall ratings for this one So this 00:50:56.739 --> 00:50:58.880 is a big one for you Brandon. Where does it where 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:05.219 does it fall? I'm gonna pull a Style out of the 00:51:05.219 --> 00:51:08.679 Joel Hamm book and I'm gonna give it a four point 00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:13.260 one five I Feel like it's it's not a four point 00:51:13.260 --> 00:51:15.599 five. It's not off, but it's better than a four. 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:19.980 So I'm just gonna go 4 .15. 4 .15. Awesome. I 00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:25.440 love it. Yeah, so for me, again, I liked this. 00:51:25.619 --> 00:51:28.920 It wasn't what I was necessarily even expecting 00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:32.639 going into it, and I love that part about it. 00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:36.699 And I like how that last song pulls it up for 00:51:36.699 --> 00:51:39.860 me in a lot of ways. It's still, I don't think, 00:51:40.059 --> 00:51:46.019 something that I would listen to every day. it's 00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:49.159 it's a little it's I talked about the production 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.059 earlier and how good the production is like it's 00:51:51.059 --> 00:51:55.380 a little too polished um for me um which I feel 00:51:55.380 --> 00:51:58.280 like probably hip -hop is gonna be that way a 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.460 little more than like what I traditionally listen 00:52:00.460 --> 00:52:03.039 to you um although I spent a good amount of time 00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.699 in middle school like digging into some Christian 00:52:05.699 --> 00:52:10.219 hip -hop so um but um but I also I really I really 00:52:10.219 --> 00:52:13.380 enjoyed it and so for me I'm gonna go with a 00:52:13.380 --> 00:52:18.090 3 .3 um for the boy versus the cynic by John 00:52:18.090 --> 00:52:22.150 Rubin and so um yeah how does that make you feel 00:52:22.150 --> 00:52:27.050 bringing this before me I've had so many people 00:52:27.050 --> 00:52:29.630 get annoyed at me like please be quiet about 00:52:29.630 --> 00:52:33.530 John Rubin so really like I've I've become uh 00:52:33.530 --> 00:52:36.869 immune to like the John Rubin hate out there 00:52:36.869 --> 00:52:41.269 so there's no hate 3 .3 is a good rating no I 00:52:41.269 --> 00:52:44.800 think that's good and I Honestly, I think that 00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:48.480 um Sometimes when I put numbers out there, I 00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:50.159 think the same way like for some people I mean 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.539 we were discussing this the other day with like 00:52:52.539 --> 00:52:55.920 some of our friends like About like what is like 00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:58.940 is a four bad is a three bad, you know, right? 00:52:59.179 --> 00:53:01.980 Because you can see your 2 .5 as a 50 or you 00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:05.559 can see it as you know average. Yeah Yeah, so 00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.159 yeah, so yeah, I don't I don't think that you 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.820 gave John Rubin a barely passing. Maybe that's 00:53:10.820 --> 00:53:13.440 what you meant to do, but no, no, no. So for 00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:18.800 me, for me, a 2 .5 is an average. Like, it's 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:21.900 fine. Yeah. So this is this is, you know, pretty 00:53:21.900 --> 00:53:24.199 well above that, which is awesome. I think that's 00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:27.579 John's motto is like above average. I'm sure 00:53:27.579 --> 00:53:30.039 there's I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:32.619 John Rubin t -shirt out there. It said like you're 00:53:32.619 --> 00:53:35.360 above average rapper. So that's awesome. That's 00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:40.960 awesome. Cool man. Well, let's figure out what 00:53:40.960 --> 00:54:05.250 our lyric of the week is. Time to create a new 00:54:05.250 --> 00:54:07.809 atmosphere where the boy and the cynic can both 00:54:07.809 --> 00:54:11.449 play fair. That's nice. Yeah, I love that. I 00:54:11.449 --> 00:54:13.969 love that you pulled it from that last one. And 00:54:13.969 --> 00:54:16.530 I kind of kind of sums it all up together. That's 00:54:16.530 --> 00:54:22.030 cool. All right. Well, where can people spend 00:54:22.030 --> 00:54:24.389 time with us on the Internet? You can find us 00:54:24.389 --> 00:54:28.869 at at Hey, are you pod on X or Twitter? We have 00:54:28.869 --> 00:54:31.110 a Facebook page we'd love for you to engage us 00:54:31.110 --> 00:54:34.940 with. 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