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It is time for Hey Are You Listening? This is

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a podcast exploring the past, the present, and

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maybe even the future of Christian music. My

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name is Joel and I'm here with my good friend

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Brandon and we connected over a mutual love of

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some particular artist but also have different

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tastes and have experienced this world at different

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times and so we get to expose each other to some

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things from time to time. It's a fun journey

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for us and we also get to invite some friends

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along for the ride. And today we have a friend

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with us who is here. You may know him. From his

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work as a pastor at Deer Park Baptist, from his

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years teaching high school and middle school,

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his time as an adjunct at Charleston Southern

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University or his days playing in the band's

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No Mir Star or Archimedes Death Ray, please welcome

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my good friend, Andrew Blaylock. Andrew, what's

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up? And that was a wild introduction. It's good

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to be here. I wanted to do you justice. I felt

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like it was important. Oh man, it's good to have

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you on. We've been talking about this for a while

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and so that's a good time. Tell us, Andrew, a

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little bit about yourself and kind of how you

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found your way into the world of music and Christian

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music. Yeah, so growing up my dad was a pastor

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and my mom was a music major in college and so

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sort of the perfect storm to get into Christian

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music and I remember as a kid listening to You

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know all the CCM classics, but when I was a really

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small kid I would only fall asleep if we played

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this tape of George Beverly Shay singing the

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old rugged cross. Love it. That's probably where

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it started I remember, you know Probably my first

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concert was the news boys, you know, seeing third

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day and jars of clay and cadence call before

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they were big time, you know, different festivals

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and DC talk. I mean, all these guys, um, I grew

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up with that. Um, by the time we got to middle

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school, we were sort of branching out musically

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away from the maybe audio adrenaline is kind

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of like the transitional kind of for us and then

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getting into like ska, super tones, 500 Frenzy,

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the insiders and then into punk bands like MXPX

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and Slick Shoes and then into like more heavy

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hardcore kind of stuff. So I was lucky to grow

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up in a time when there was a ton of really cool

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cutting edge Christian music. So that's kind

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of my backstory with that. Yeah, I always feel

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that way too that I feel like the moment in history

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that I got the chance to like grow up in and

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be at like a formative stage of my life was just

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the probably everybody maybe feels this way,

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but I felt like it was like the sweet spot. Like

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there's no other time I would have wanted to

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grow up in because I just loved everything that

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was out there. It was kind of fun. Yeah, we have

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similar histories. I just never went like as

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heavy as you um yeah and all of that stuff but

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but that's a lot i'm gonna confess there's a

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little bit of jealousy or a lot of jealousy around

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hearing this because like i'll look like i feel

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like audio adrenaline and all like they retired

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before like i could even drive and i remember

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even the bands i grew up with i was so excited

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to be like man i can't wait till i have money

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to where i can like travel and go see them play

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and all of them just like retire. So I'm just

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like hearing this just throwing around me like,

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yeah, we saw them before they were big. And I'm

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like, I didn't even see him when they were big.

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It is kind of a bummer for you, Brandon, that

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you jumped in at a point when they were kind

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of nailing the coffin lid onto Christian music.

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And you're like, can we open this back up again?

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The good news is is that I feel like we're going

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through a moment maybe of some rebirth Which

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is cool and one of the fun fun things to kind

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of deal with on this podcast So well, I've got

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for you guys a game today Just to kind of draw

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us in to where we are and to test your knowledge

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of this whole thing And so we're gonna play a

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brand new game. It's called youth group time

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machine And so in youth group time machine, I'm

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going to give you a year and the two of you get

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to tell me what albums that you think we're playing

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in youth groups that year. And so does that make

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sense? Cool. Yeah. All right. So you've got you'll

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have a year and you kind of give me what you

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think was hot that year and got played a lot.

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And so the year that I'm going to give you is

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2003. 2003. So in 2003, what was playing in on

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Wednesday nights at youth group? What was what

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was hot? Super tones, the super tones. That's

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it. Yeah, super tones. That one that's terrible.

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That's terrible. I shouldn't say that. I don't

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strike back came out like Late 90s, probably

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I don't even yeah, but then I feel like chase

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the Sun was a little while after that Yeah, it's

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a half good record. I Honestly gave up after

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strike back, although I love that album That

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was kind of there. That's kind of the end point

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for me. Yeah, I don't senior in 2003 you think

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I would know Yeah, you would I don't actually

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know if they were playing super towns or not.

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That's great. That's a good question. I'm gonna

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throw out a audio adrenaline worldwide audio

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adrenaline worldwide Yeah, as you guys talk about

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this I'm gonna be doing a little bit of research

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on my own because I Don't have all this figured

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out But we're gonna find out The Newsboys might

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have still had Peter Ferler singing at that point,

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right? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. That would have

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been a disco record. Oh, love the Canadian disco.

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So listen to that one. Worldwide did come out

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in 2003. Um, let's see news boy honestly, I was

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just trying to think of an album that came out

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2003 Love liberty disco was 1999 guys way way

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off That can't be true. Oh three was like was

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it like adoration or devotion? I think that was

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like the worship. Um period of dews boys. Oh

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three was uh Greatest hits Add no adoration came

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out in 2003. Yeah, that's when the whole worship

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thing started to happen Was right then so that's

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interesting they rode that train for 20 years

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Holy cow, that's wild Yeah, what else a pretty

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pivotal record came out in 2003 The Beautiful

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Letdown? Zeo's self -titled. No, that's 90 or

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2000. It was The Beautiful Letdown by SwitchFit.

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It came out in 2003. Were youth groups listening

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to it though? I would hope so. I wasn't in a

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youth group in 2003. Although I was, I guess

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earlier in the year, I was volunteering with

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my student ministry. So I would hope, why would

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they not? Was 11 I wasn't hanging out teenagers.

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It was a huge album Huge album. So yeah, I think

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I think probably that one was up there Yeah,

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I don't think they were playing Zayo Any other

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any other thoughts or ideas I Got nothing I'm

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trying to think of stuff I think John Rubin released

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the professional rapper in 2003. Youth groups

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in Ohio were listening to that. John Rubin, the

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professional rapper. That came out in 2003. You're

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like tuned in, man. That's cool. there's that

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random file of all the album release dates that

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I memorize that like my mom was like why is Brendan

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spending hours on Wikipedia and this is why there

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you go I'm really bad at differentiating years

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in the past I'm just glad you said 2003 because

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I was like if you call it 1997 i'm gonna be like

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Did newsboys do something? I'm sure they did

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i'm sure they did so there'd be plenty to go

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off of All right. Well, that's a pretty good

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jump back into the past uh looking in 2003 Let's

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let's move on a little bit from there and just

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talk about what we've been listening to um Lately,

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so what have you what have you guys been listening

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to? So for me, I've been listening to the new,

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I don't even know how you say his name, Paul

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Meaney or Meaney. The guy from Mute Math dropped

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a new solo album that reminds me a lot of Mute

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Math stuff. I'm really digging that album so

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far. Yeah, I actually was gonna say the same

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thing Andrew. Well, you texted me when it was

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dropping but I also had seen I think I'd already

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watched like Like one of the clips from like

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the opening song on that record forever face

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And I'm like, this is good stuff It's a lot of

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fun. Have you ever listened to mute math? Mm

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-hmm, man. Well, the funny thing is you're a

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huge 21 pilots fan. Uh -huh And like Paul Meany

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almost basically was a member of Twenty One Pilots

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for like a while. Do you know the history there?

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Not really. I just happen to see something about

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it online this week. There's like there was Twenty

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One Pilots slash Mute Math like releases that

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came out almost. And I think he produced like

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a lot of their really recent stuff and the guy

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who's the lead singer of Mute Math. And some

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people consider that yeah, he was like a member

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of the band. Yeah that he was actually in 21

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pilots and so You should check it out. You'd

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probably dig it. Um, but palminia He just dropped

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in your album called forever phase and i Andrew

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you mentioned to me you were like, this is actually

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a pretty christian record um, yeah, and I was

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reading through the lyrics and I was like, whoa,

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this is like it's it's more like More like facing

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towards his faith than any mute math stuff ever

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was which is interesting. Yeah So that's kind

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of fun. What about you Brandon? What are you

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been listening to? So I do this thing that whenever

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an album like is in its anniversary year I think

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it's cool to like rediscover or sometimes it's

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just accidentally I start listening and I realize

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that yeah, but like stuff that's like 2020 2010

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like 1995 or whatever and um John Rubin's last

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release was in 2020. And it was funny because

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it was right before COVID hit. So I remember

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being like, this is going to be an incredible

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year. And then COVID hit. And I was like, well,

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at least we got one more John Rubin album before

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everything just went down. But I really enjoyed

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it. And I feel like it's maybe the best album

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he... put out um so i feel like it's it's cool

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when someone's like 20 years into their like

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career and they're still putting out stuff which

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i know for you guys you probably have artists

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the same way where you're like it's like how

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is this person still like putting out stuff that's

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like you know quality and all so um it's a it's

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a really good um really good album so that's

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cool i noticed the other day andrew did you see

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this um five iron frenzy like teasing new music

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or new record? I did see that. I feel like they

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break the internet every time they drop into

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the album. They broke Kickstarter like literally.

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They set their record for like the biggest Kickstarter

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ever when they first came back. That's been blown

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out of the water since then. But yeah, who knows

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what that'll end up looking like, but it's pretty

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fun. All right, so one of the things that we

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like to do when we have a guest on is to let

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our guests bring one of their favorite records

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to us for us to spend some time with. So, Andrew,

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what album have you brought to us today to talk

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about? So I picked something that's not super

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representative of what I listen to frequently,

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but it's an album that when I was a kid I talked

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about, you know, like Playing those tapes at

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night like I would always go to sleep listening

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to music and this is one of those albums that

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as I grew up would find its way in my tape deck

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on a frequent basis and that's a Stephen Curtis

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Chapman's the great adventure. I probably haven't

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listened to this in 30 years until we Revisited

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it. I think that was true for me, too When I

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texted you and said, all right, Andrew, like

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what albums would you possibly want to talk about?

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The first one on your list was The Great Adventure

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by Steven Curtis Chapman. And I was at first,

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I thought it was a total joke because this is

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not representative of you at all. At least what

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I know of you. But we're getting to discover

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a whole new part of Andrew that I didn't even

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know existed in talking through this. And so

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like you, I don't think I've listened to this

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album probably in about 30 years. Who knows?

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But. So, but yeah, I was kind of like, this is

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fun, um, getting to dig into something because

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this record is a pretty, like it's, it's a staple

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in the world of Christian music, of CCM. Um,

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and so, um, Brandon for you, like when I texted

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you and said, here's what we're covering, like

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what, what What do you know about Stephen Curtis

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Chapman or this album in particular? Uh, so Stephen

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Curtis Chapman that was the first concert I ever

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went to really was he was headlining winter jam

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Oh, so you heard the great adventure live. Yeah.

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Yeah, I definitely I don't know if any of these

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songs are still But um, but yeah, he's he's one

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of those artists. There's a trend on here. Um

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I don't know if you guys have picked up on that.

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There's so many artists that Joel mentions and

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I know them from all of their later work Yeah,

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so like star flyer. I'm like, yeah 2005 on and

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Joel like Brandon. Well, that's that's not star

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We love all fire and I think with Stephen Kersh

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Chapman like it's It like it was surprising to

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me like I knew he'd been around for a while,

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but like it was surprising scrolling down the

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like You know albums so I could like listen to

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it and just seeing like how long he had been

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around and like also just like you talked about

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like I want to say it was ranked like Number

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30 or something. This one made a list of like

00:16:41.850 --> 00:16:44.730
the top christian albums of all time. Yeah, and

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um, and I feel like it's interesting and honestly

00:16:48.009 --> 00:16:52.590
andrew like I think I think these types of reviews

00:16:52.590 --> 00:16:56.769
are really cool because it's like it's cool when

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you get to dive into it as well instead of just

00:16:59.269 --> 00:17:01.509
being like here's why every track is amazing

00:17:01.509 --> 00:17:03.889
instead it's like yeah we're all going in the

00:17:03.889 --> 00:17:06.470
time capsule like itself so you get to reach

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in and be like why is there a screwdriver in

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here like that's funny well let's I've got a

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little bio from it that I pulled from online

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so I'll read through this and then we can talk

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to maybe any other opening thoughts we have but

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So The Great Adventure is the fifth album released

00:17:24.299 --> 00:17:26.799
by Christian singer Stephen Curtis Chapman. The

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fifth blew me away a little bit because I'm like,

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I don't know if I know really much Stephen Curtis

00:17:31.940 --> 00:17:35.319
Chapman before this, but the album was released

00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:40.359
on June 19th, 1992 by Sparrow Records. It went

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gold in just under one year. It was listed at

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number 33 in the 2001 book, CCM Presents the

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100 Greatest Albums in Christian Music. It brought

00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:56.039
Chapman several Gospel Music Association Awards,

00:17:56.460 --> 00:17:59.779
the 24th Annual Dove Awards in 93, including

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Song of the Year, um pop contemporary recorded

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song of the year and short firm short form music

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video of the year um for the title song all those

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um and the pop contemporary album of the year

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and the album also won the 1993 grammy award

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for best pop contemporary gospel album um the

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album also features guest appearances by artists

00:18:23.269 --> 00:18:29.839
like toby mack bb winans and ricky skaggs So

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this is a heavy hitter in the world of CCM And

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so we're gonna get into it and we're gonna be

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real and honest as much as we can be While still

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deeply loving Steven Curtis Chapman So it's gonna

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be fun conversation. You guys have any other

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opening thoughts before we kind of hit track

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by track on this one? Yeah, we need to do a breakdown

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one day on Stephen Curtis Chapman's hair He's

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had everything and it's amazing and he's still

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rocking cool hair and Yeah, I just I respect

00:19:04.859 --> 00:19:09.119
the guy and I respect his hair Yeah, I I agree

00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:11.859
with that actually he was really able to pull

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off a mullet pretty well at one point in that

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time But can can we just like go ahead and say

00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:22.460
that like Stephen Curtis Chapman really is one

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of the coolest guys I still follow him. I follow

00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.599
him on social media and The dude just he'll sit

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there with an acoustic guitar and like jam out

00:19:33.299 --> 00:19:36.279
one of his songs and like his whole Heart and

00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:39.319
passion is in that thing I think he's doing a

00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:41.759
tour now for his Speechless record as like an

00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:43.559
anniversary. It's like his first like really

00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:47.140
big full -blown, full -band tour in like a while,

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which is pretty cool. He's still going and he

00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:54.299
obviously has kids that are deeply involved in

00:19:54.299 --> 00:19:56.500
the music scene too, which is kind of a fun thing.

00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:58.680
Like when I think of Steven, like I said, he

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was at Winter Jam and I remember, I think it

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was like him and like Jeremy Camp were like the

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two headliners that year. And I remember leaving

00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:10.359
being like, I think Steven Chris Chapman was

00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.480
like my favorite performer. Yeah. And I mean,

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I'm like, I'm like 13 or 14. And so to me, like

00:20:16.220 --> 00:20:18.180
that says something when like as a teenager,

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it's like you're walking away being like, yeah,

00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:22.579
Jeremy Camp was cool, but he's no Steven Chris

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Chapman. And like at Winter Jam, I shared this

00:20:27.500 --> 00:20:30.440
thing a few weeks ago that like, I just remember

00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.380
him being like, hey, everyone. So my son, him

00:20:33.380 --> 00:20:36.009
and his friends, they play music. So I'm gonna

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like leave the stage for 10 minutes and they're

00:20:38.230 --> 00:20:40.809
just gonna play and I'm just like I don't know

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of another Artist they could just midway through

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their set be like hey everyone Another my son's

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gonna come play and you're gonna listen to it

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It's just you're like this guy who's gonna say

00:20:52.109 --> 00:20:54.910
no to Steven Chris Chapman, right? Yeah, what

00:20:54.910 --> 00:20:58.210
a cool. What a cool Opportunity for them. Yeah,

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that's awesome. All right. Well, let's get kind

00:21:00.630 --> 00:21:04.660
of into this track by track a little bit And

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so I had forgotten, Andrew, you mentioned in

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this to me, the first track prologue. I had forgotten

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that that thing existed. What did you guys think

00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:21.259
about that one? Man, it took me by surprise when

00:21:21.259 --> 00:21:25.599
I pressed play and I heard this like orchestral

00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:29.019
overture start. There was somewhere between like

00:21:29.019 --> 00:21:31.779
the Prometheus soundtrack and the Pocahontas

00:21:31.779 --> 00:21:35.190
soundtrack. I was like, what is happening right

00:21:35.190 --> 00:21:38.369
now? This is the coolest way to start an album

00:21:38.369 --> 00:21:42.049
of all time. And like the way it just seamlessly

00:21:42.049 --> 00:21:45.210
like transitions into the first real song, it

00:21:45.210 --> 00:21:49.349
was just, it's crazy. So it definitely like,

00:21:49.829 --> 00:21:52.609
my excitement shot through the roof as soon as

00:21:52.609 --> 00:21:56.829
it counted that. This is like really good music.

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I know as I was listening back through it. I

00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:02.140
was like, this is super epic. Like this is like

00:22:02.140 --> 00:22:06.299
movie soundtrack Kind of stuff. And so I thought

00:22:06.299 --> 00:22:08.420
that was cool. The interesting thing is I don't

00:22:08.420 --> 00:22:10.480
really think Stephen had anything to do with

00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:15.539
this But he gets to playing the French horn He

00:22:15.539 --> 00:22:17.680
didn't write it, but he gets the credit for it

00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:20.940
because it's on his record. So I yeah, I thought

00:22:20.940 --> 00:22:22.940
this was awesome Brandon. What do you think?

00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:26.269
I liked it. I love whenever stuff like Opens

00:22:26.269 --> 00:22:29.109
up with like a prologue or something like that

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I think it adds and I mean I I'd know it's repetitive

00:22:33.069 --> 00:22:35.809
but I feel like an opening to an album is like

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Super important. So I feel like it's like a really

00:22:39.089 --> 00:22:40.690
cool and like y 'all were saying it surprises

00:22:40.690 --> 00:22:43.640
you like I'm you I'm expecting just like Do you

00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:45.920
hear him singing like acoustic guitar or something?

00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:47.779
So when you're hit with that, you're like, this

00:22:47.779 --> 00:22:50.019
is pretty cool. It kind of reminded me a little

00:22:50.019 --> 00:22:53.299
bit of an opening track to a certain house of

00:22:53.299 --> 00:22:59.240
heroes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. All right.

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So track number two, we can just be honest. The

00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:06.400
Great Adventure. This is the heavy hitter on

00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:09.740
the album. This this is the song that won all

00:23:09.740 --> 00:23:14.769
the awards. This is the centerpiece, the iconic

00:23:14.769 --> 00:23:18.950
song, I feel like, of this record. Tell me, talk

00:23:18.950 --> 00:23:21.329
to me about The Great Adventure, guys. You want

00:23:21.329 --> 00:23:25.930
to go first? No, I want you to go first. I wrote

00:23:25.930 --> 00:23:30.829
down, it felt like a song I'd hear at VBS. I'm

00:23:30.829 --> 00:23:38.289
sorry. It's catchy, like it's catchy, but the

00:23:38.289 --> 00:23:41.259
whole time I just, I was like... thinking about

00:23:41.259 --> 00:23:44.440
like when you're at VBS and you have like the

00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:46.839
The guy that's trying to climb the mountain and

00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:49.140
he's singing with like the rock climber and he's

00:23:49.140 --> 00:23:53.779
like Jesus is there and Yeah, this I feel like

00:23:53.779 --> 00:23:58.259
the opener It lifted my my hopes too high. So

00:23:58.259 --> 00:24:01.559
then with this song I was like, oh man, I can't

00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:05.289
go back to that prologue for a second Where'd

00:24:05.289 --> 00:24:08.369
y 'all think? Oh man, Brandon, you're not ready

00:24:08.369 --> 00:24:11.910
to saddle up your horses. You're not there. That's

00:24:11.910 --> 00:24:16.410
such a bummer. Yeah, no, I mean obviously I've

00:24:16.410 --> 00:24:19.150
probably heard this song a thousand times in

00:24:19.150 --> 00:24:23.930
my life and it's super iconic. Ironically, Jeff

00:24:23.930 --> 00:24:25.930
Moore of Jeff Moore in the Distance co -wrote

00:24:25.930 --> 00:24:29.759
this. With with Stephen and so just the opening

00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.160
guitar It's one of the I think the first things

00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.259
that I learned how to play on the guitar that

00:24:34.259 --> 00:24:38.299
little like kind of palm muted opening parts

00:24:38.299 --> 00:24:45.579
I I think it's it's great With you a little bit

00:24:45.579 --> 00:24:48.259
The only thing like holding this back for me

00:24:48.259 --> 00:24:51.480
is it's just pretty superficial, right? I mean,

00:24:51.500 --> 00:24:55.430
there's no real depth to this song at all um

00:24:55.430 --> 00:24:58.930
in any way and so it does just kind of feel like

00:24:58.930 --> 00:25:02.710
um I I get what you're saying I could see us

00:25:02.710 --> 00:25:06.789
settling up our horses at VBS but um but it's

00:25:06.789 --> 00:25:11.390
it's a classic it's so good well my memory of

00:25:11.390 --> 00:25:17.029
this song was totally unreliable because in my

00:25:17.029 --> 00:25:20.970
head it was almost like an acoustic just like

00:25:20.970 --> 00:25:24.630
bare stripped down really this is the great adventure.

00:25:24.809 --> 00:25:26.650
And I don't know if that's from seeing it perform

00:25:26.650 --> 00:25:30.009
live differently or what, but I, my memory was

00:25:30.009 --> 00:25:33.529
just absolutely unreliable. And like hearing

00:25:33.529 --> 00:25:36.609
the, the overdrive guitar and all that stuff,

00:25:36.609 --> 00:25:39.890
like that, it caught me off guard a little bit.

00:25:40.150 --> 00:25:44.950
Um, but like the production value is so astronomically

00:25:44.950 --> 00:25:48.710
high. I mean, it, it's situated in its time.

00:25:48.769 --> 00:25:53.109
Like it sounds like 1992 distinctly. Yeah, but

00:25:53.109 --> 00:25:56.829
you could just like feel like there's a lot of

00:25:56.829 --> 00:26:02.109
arrangement a lot of You know carefully layered

00:26:02.109 --> 00:26:07.049
stuff going on on this song Yeah, it's definitely

00:26:07.049 --> 00:26:11.589
up there I think for him just in classic songs.

00:26:11.589 --> 00:26:17.569
I was actually going to look to see on his it's

00:26:17.569 --> 00:26:20.849
interestingly It's it's in the top five steven

00:26:20.849 --> 00:26:23.029
gratis chabin songs, but it's not the it's not

00:26:23.029 --> 00:26:25.769
the number one Um, which maybe I would have thought

00:26:25.769 --> 00:26:29.849
is where it is diving or something. Um Yeah,

00:26:30.009 --> 00:26:33.930
dive is dive is definitely up there. So Um, yeah,

00:26:33.950 --> 00:26:37.390
I think it's great. Um, I love it. So track three

00:26:37.390 --> 00:26:41.250
Takes us to where we belong. What do you guys

00:26:41.250 --> 00:26:45.109
think about this one? so for me the thing that

00:26:45.109 --> 00:26:49.150
like most stood out was the bass and kind of

00:26:49.150 --> 00:26:52.250
the bass on the whole album was a little bit

00:26:52.250 --> 00:26:54.549
interesting like it was some kind of five or

00:26:54.549 --> 00:26:58.210
six string bass it got really low and has a really

00:26:58.210 --> 00:27:01.490
interesting kind of almost grungy sound like

00:27:01.490 --> 00:27:05.630
it reminded me of this is a weird random Christian

00:27:05.630 --> 00:27:10.470
Emo album Branson's Branson's Letterbox album

00:27:10.470 --> 00:27:13.329
it sounded like the bass on that for me and so

00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:15.920
All I could picture during this song was just

00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:21.799
like a dude in like a bowling shirt and a hat,

00:27:22.099 --> 00:27:24.839
you know, a weird hat playing the bass on this.

00:27:24.940 --> 00:27:26.660
I don't know why. That's just the mental image

00:27:26.660 --> 00:27:32.220
that came up. That's that's hilarious. I like

00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:34.779
that. I feel like it had a little more depth.

00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:39.400
So I feel like it like I'll be honest, like after

00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:43.460
hearing the great adventure, I was like. Oh man,

00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:46.180
like I'm I I don't I don't know how I feel about

00:27:46.180 --> 00:27:50.920
like looking at the the rest um But I felt like

00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.480
I don't know why I I shouldn't attack that song.

00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:55.920
I don't hate the song. I need to make it very

00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.559
clear that you're not Judge anyone who likes

00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.779
that song nor do I hate that song Stephen, we

00:28:01.779 --> 00:28:04.259
love your song. Please come on the podcast. I

00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.980
I've never met Stephen, but I feel like if Stephen

00:28:06.980 --> 00:28:08.839
told me he was disappointed, it would really

00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:13.700
hurt me. But yeah, I liked it and I liked that

00:28:13.700 --> 00:28:17.980
it had a little more depth. And I think honestly,

00:28:19.140 --> 00:28:22.059
I think where we belong is a little more aligned

00:28:22.059 --> 00:28:26.200
with maybe if I was to have an expectation, it

00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.039
lines up a little bit more with what I'm expecting.

00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.829
I made a note about the bass line. To andrew

00:28:33.829 --> 00:28:36.529
and this one. I thought it was really um, really

00:28:36.529 --> 00:28:38.849
interesting the bowling shirt makes makes a lot

00:28:38.849 --> 00:28:43.049
of sense Um, yeah, I liked I really um, I didn't

00:28:43.049 --> 00:28:45.750
super remember this but as I was reading back

00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:49.210
through I was caught with like um, I mean it

00:28:49.210 --> 00:28:51.849
it's hard to write a song that kind of captures

00:28:51.849 --> 00:28:56.170
like um the story of god from the beginning to

00:28:56.170 --> 00:28:58.309
the end a little bit and I actually thought that

00:28:58.309 --> 00:29:01.789
he he did that really well, um in the song from

00:29:02.109 --> 00:29:04.750
Finding ourselves in the garden after the fall

00:29:04.750 --> 00:29:07.730
and and then what comes I thought it I thought

00:29:07.730 --> 00:29:11.210
it was cool Musically and everything it it wasn't

00:29:11.210 --> 00:29:15.529
my favorite song on the record But but I appreciated

00:29:15.529 --> 00:29:17.809
where he was going with the lyrics. I thought

00:29:17.809 --> 00:29:20.250
that was cool one thing I was curious about is

00:29:20.250 --> 00:29:24.190
like So I feel like for someone like me Like

00:29:24.190 --> 00:29:27.009
listening at this like if I'm being completely

00:29:27.009 --> 00:29:29.849
honest a lot of albums from like the 90s and

00:29:29.849 --> 00:29:32.190
all that you can come across is like kind of

00:29:32.190 --> 00:29:35.309
cheesy or like oh like I've seen that done all

00:29:35.309 --> 00:29:39.210
these times but like like I guess a little context

00:29:39.210 --> 00:29:44.190
like in the moment was this stuff kind of a like

00:29:44.190 --> 00:29:46.589
I don't know if like it hadn't been done before

00:29:46.589 --> 00:29:49.009
or it's kind of like man Steve is Stephen like

00:29:49.009 --> 00:29:52.869
this is cool like this is different like for

00:29:52.869 --> 00:29:57.170
for the time like would y 'all say it was or

00:29:57.170 --> 00:30:02.710
from so I was six on this I mean it felt like

00:30:02.710 --> 00:30:06.009
to me listening back to it. This would be Like

00:30:06.009 --> 00:30:10.910
fairly cutting edge for CCM at that time. I Don't

00:30:10.910 --> 00:30:12.509
know if you have a different thought yeah, no,

00:30:12.509 --> 00:30:18.250
I think that's true. I think I think that You

00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:22.369
had before this record you had your Michael W

00:30:22.369 --> 00:30:25.789
Smith's and yeah, yeah Which is more of like

00:30:25.789 --> 00:30:29.349
almost late 80s like really early 90s like pop.

00:30:29.589 --> 00:30:33.900
Yeah Kind of synthesizers and all this kind of

00:30:33.900 --> 00:30:36.940
stuff and Stephen Curtis Chapman was was the

00:30:36.940 --> 00:30:38.980
guy to say now We're gonna pick up a guitar.

00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:42.160
Okay. Yeah, and we're gonna kind of ground all

00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:44.519
of this and and route it again and so it's kind

00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:49.940
of bringing like Americana and roots Just kind

00:30:49.940 --> 00:30:52.859
of back into the into the forefront of the world

00:30:52.859 --> 00:30:54.700
of Christian music and nobody was really doing

00:30:54.700 --> 00:30:58.700
that at the time Okay, so it was Listening back

00:30:58.700 --> 00:31:02.690
to this record There are almost some Springsteen

00:31:02.690 --> 00:31:06.569
vibes and some Toto vibes that I was picking

00:31:06.569 --> 00:31:09.630
up on that I didn't really expect. His voice

00:31:09.630 --> 00:31:12.309
is different than any of that, but the music

00:31:12.309 --> 00:31:15.569
kind of hits on some of that, which caught me

00:31:15.569 --> 00:31:18.089
off guard a little bit. Yeah, that's cool. I

00:31:18.089 --> 00:31:21.730
think that's a fair assessment. I would say probably

00:31:21.730 --> 00:31:25.819
lyrically, Maybe this records pretty kind of

00:31:25.819 --> 00:31:28.420
par for the course But I do think musically that

00:31:28.420 --> 00:31:31.000
he was doing something that nobody else was okay

00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:38.839
at this point. Yeah. Yeah So track four go there

00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:46.200
with you I Liked this one This was kind of it

00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:48.259
felt like the the epitome is of kind of like

00:31:48.259 --> 00:31:53.119
a 90s ballad Love song you've got those like

00:31:53.210 --> 00:31:57.529
those kind of 90s keys with like a lot of layer

00:31:57.529 --> 00:32:00.569
on them kind of there and then you've got this

00:32:00.569 --> 00:32:03.470
the really kind of epic like lead guitar kind

00:32:03.470 --> 00:32:07.750
of thing going on and so I this was this one's

00:32:07.750 --> 00:32:10.250
kind of a highlight for me I feel like you have

00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:12.930
to kind of put yourself back in that world and

00:32:12.930 --> 00:32:16.730
in that time to like really enjoy it May well,

00:32:16.769 --> 00:32:19.390
maybe not but just it just feels very of the

00:32:19.390 --> 00:32:23.190
time but like a really good version of Like a

00:32:23.190 --> 00:32:26.369
90s ballad back then. So I thought this one was

00:32:26.369 --> 00:32:31.809
cool What about you Brandon? Yeah, I liked it

00:32:31.809 --> 00:32:36.470
too. I felt like it was simple And I expected

00:32:36.470 --> 00:32:39.490
it I think to stay like really slow. So I enjoyed

00:32:39.490 --> 00:32:42.710
when it got like a little more like behind it

00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:49.940
yeah, I enjoyed it and Like yeah, I I think that's

00:32:49.940 --> 00:32:52.420
why I asked those like a question like that is

00:32:52.420 --> 00:32:55.299
because I feel like sometimes you You can't fully

00:32:55.299 --> 00:32:58.160
appreciate it. Like if you don't understand right,

00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.240
you know what it's like. Yeah. Yeah, that's good

00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.019
Yeah for me like when they're like when it kind

00:33:04.019 --> 00:33:07.059
of drops and like all the orchestral sounds come

00:33:07.059 --> 00:33:11.809
in I got I feel like it was it really like filled

00:33:11.809 --> 00:33:15.250
up the space and it was definitely probably in

00:33:15.250 --> 00:33:19.089
my top two or three songs on the record. Just

00:33:19.089 --> 00:33:24.730
like it felt kind of almost like the world weights

00:33:24.730 --> 00:33:27.250
Jeremy Enoch record just in a very different

00:33:27.250 --> 00:33:32.329
style. I just enjoy all the fullness of the whether

00:33:32.329 --> 00:33:35.069
it's synth or strings or whatever that really

00:33:35.069 --> 00:33:37.190
kind of blows it up. It's the first time I've

00:33:37.190 --> 00:33:39.410
ever heard a comparison between Steven Chris

00:33:39.410 --> 00:33:43.740
Chapman and Jeremy Enoch. But I'm here for it.

00:33:45.019 --> 00:33:47.200
The World Waits is one of my favorite albums

00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.359
of all time. So good. So incredible. Yeah, that's

00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:58.519
great. The next one is That's Paradise. Andrew,

00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.660
how do you feel about Paradise? You know, this

00:34:01.660 --> 00:34:04.599
one wasn't my favorite one on the record, like

00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.150
the way it starts off. Almost felt like it was

00:34:08.150 --> 00:34:13.269
like a demo track on a keyboard Just press play

00:34:13.269 --> 00:34:15.269
and then start singing over it. I don't know

00:34:15.269 --> 00:34:18.469
That's really the only thing I wrote down about

00:34:18.469 --> 00:34:21.070
this one. Oh the guitar solo was pretty crazy

00:34:21.070 --> 00:34:23.769
Mm -hmm. I did I did note that it got pretty

00:34:23.769 --> 00:34:26.650
wild with toward the end with the guitar Yeah,

00:34:26.650 --> 00:34:29.789
actually, I like the guitar tones on this song.

00:34:29.789 --> 00:34:32.230
I thought they were yeah, they were cool. I had

00:34:32.230 --> 00:34:34.989
a lot of respect for that I also appreciate a

00:34:34.989 --> 00:34:41.000
good 90s like Story song it felt very like Yeah,

00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:43.300
it felt very of the times like it kind of reminded

00:34:43.300 --> 00:34:46.800
me of like a brian adams kind of song Like I

00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.159
listened to him a lot back in the 90s for whatever

00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.260
reason and so this one kind of pulled me into

00:34:51.260 --> 00:34:53.960
that world But I also at the same time was like

00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:55.920
this song is really long and it doesn't need

00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:02.980
to be But it's still I I I like it I think I

00:35:02.980 --> 00:35:05.880
think it's fun. I felt like it was just pretty

00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.679
cheesy that's how i put i i felt like i put it

00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:11.719
kind of that same category i guess is like the

00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:16.019
great adventure that i just felt like um i i

00:35:16.019 --> 00:35:17.800
don't know i think just as like a lyric person

00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.699
like sometimes it's like you can have it can

00:35:20.699 --> 00:35:23.500
sound good or whatever but like it's like the

00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:27.320
story or like where's it going um so yeah i feel

00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:29.360
like for me it kind of dipped back into like

00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:33.250
the cheesy category 90 CCM is going to be a bit

00:35:33.250 --> 00:35:35.969
of a struggle for you as a lyricist. I'm learning

00:35:35.969 --> 00:35:40.309
that. That's like, I'll go back and I'll be like,

00:35:40.550 --> 00:35:42.110
man, audio adrenaline is awesome. Then every

00:35:42.110 --> 00:35:44.210
so often I'll catch one of those songs and I'll

00:35:44.210 --> 00:35:47.010
be like, hey, there's some misses. Everyone's

00:35:47.010 --> 00:35:48.849
got some misses. We're a band. We're a band with

00:35:48.849 --> 00:35:51.570
guitars in our hand crossing the land. Okay,

00:35:52.469 --> 00:35:57.900
that song, it's all we do. I love it. All right.

00:35:57.900 --> 00:36:01.539
All right. Track number six is don't let the

00:36:01.539 --> 00:36:06.199
fire die Where'd you guys stand on this one?

00:36:06.860 --> 00:36:10.500
So my note that I have for this is it reminds

00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:13.980
me of a song off the latest Dashboard confessional

00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:19.400
album If you haven't listened to the most recent

00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.440
dashboard record, it's actually really good which

00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.320
one is the most recent dashboard I don't even

00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:28.320
know the name of it now, but I remember seeing

00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.440
him live and I picked up a copy of it and he's

00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:34.639
like, he's mature and he's talking about adult

00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:36.679
things now. And he has a song about his family

00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:40.119
called Me and Mine. And it's very similar sounding

00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.480
to this one. So I really, I enjoyed this song.

00:36:43.579 --> 00:36:48.019
I thought it was, it was a cool like, sort of

00:36:48.019 --> 00:36:52.219
a rest it from some of the other sounds on the

00:36:52.219 --> 00:36:54.440
album. It gets a little more personal, intimate,

00:36:54.780 --> 00:36:58.250
quiet. Mm -hmm. Yeah Brandon what about you?

00:36:58.710 --> 00:37:01.530
Yeah, I was the same way I liked I feel like

00:37:01.530 --> 00:37:04.989
it was a little more like personal so I Enjoyed

00:37:04.989 --> 00:37:09.289
having that little bit of a shift I I think honestly

00:37:09.289 --> 00:37:13.090
for me. This is kind of where the album takes

00:37:13.090 --> 00:37:17.690
a shift and I feel like the second half is like

00:37:17.690 --> 00:37:20.250
a little bit stronger which knowing what's coming

00:37:20.250 --> 00:37:23.599
up You guys might strongly disagree with that

00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.960
take but I think that was where I started seeing

00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:30.019
this shift where like even in my notes I felt

00:37:30.019 --> 00:37:32.840
like it was like a couple of words but then after

00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:34.519
that I started getting a little more in depth

00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.739
with like the stuff so I felt like it was almost

00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:41.380
like This track itself had a shift like for the

00:37:41.380 --> 00:37:43.539
album a little bit differently. I don't know

00:37:43.539 --> 00:37:46.400
I don't know what it was for me Because I like

00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.619
to get the guitar work and the way it works in

00:37:48.619 --> 00:37:51.510
the melody I can hear it in my head right now,

00:37:51.530 --> 00:37:55.530
but like at this point I felt like it kind of

00:37:55.530 --> 00:37:57.570
felt like more of the same and I was at the point

00:37:57.570 --> 00:38:00.489
where I did kind of feel like I wanted something

00:38:00.489 --> 00:38:06.630
different and so I got news for you buddy The

00:38:06.630 --> 00:38:10.570
ironic thing is I got that very quickly something

00:38:10.570 --> 00:38:13.789
different and then maybe maybe I was wishing

00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:20.539
Um, so with that let's move to track seven got

00:38:20.539 --> 00:38:24.940
to be true Um, i've i've just gotta hear brandon's

00:38:24.940 --> 00:38:27.460
thoughts on this one before anybody else because

00:38:27.460 --> 00:38:30.420
something special and very near and dear to his

00:38:30.420 --> 00:38:33.860
heart happens on this song So I was telling Joel

00:38:33.860 --> 00:38:36.579
earlier. I was like, I don't want to spoil My

00:38:36.579 --> 00:38:39.079
thoughts on like this record or whatever, but

00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:41.760
I was like I don't think there was a song on

00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:45.739
this album that I started off having one feeling

00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:51.059
and it shifted so dramatically than this and

00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:53.920
I'm gonna be honest the first two lines of this

00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.760
song so like the first I don't know like 10 seconds

00:38:56.760 --> 00:39:02.019
I was like oh my gosh but then the rest of the

00:39:02.019 --> 00:39:06.159
song I love this track even before Toby gets

00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:09.960
on I'm like you know what this is weird and different

00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:13.219
but maybe it's just because it's Stephen that

00:39:13.219 --> 00:39:16.789
it's like I'll allow it. And then when Toby shows

00:39:16.789 --> 00:39:20.329
up, I'm like, I'm not even expecting that. What

00:39:20.329 --> 00:39:24.610
a nice surprise. Toby decided to show up. Question.

00:39:25.809 --> 00:39:27.550
Is the first time that you knew that was going

00:39:27.550 --> 00:39:31.010
to happen when he said. now my homeboy Toby wants

00:39:31.010 --> 00:39:33.690
to talk to you is that the moment where you were

00:39:33.690 --> 00:39:37.230
like oh my goodness I like how in Christian music

00:39:37.230 --> 00:39:39.510
it's like yeah there's only one homeboy Toby

00:39:39.510 --> 00:39:42.929
and that's Toby I think what's cool too is that

00:39:42.929 --> 00:39:46.010
in my mind I was like Toby's probably gonna bring

00:39:46.010 --> 00:39:48.469
his friends which that's cool if you bring his

00:39:48.469 --> 00:39:50.449
friends but he's always bringing his friends

00:39:50.449 --> 00:39:52.929
so when it was just him showing up I was like

00:39:53.190 --> 00:39:55.329
Cool. We get to hang out with just Stephen and

00:39:55.329 --> 00:39:58.429
Toby. Like it's not a group of us. It's just,

00:39:58.429 --> 00:40:02.269
it's just a trio of us. So I I'm probably in

00:40:02.269 --> 00:40:05.269
the minority in that, but I, I feel like this

00:40:05.269 --> 00:40:08.690
song like was a highlight of the album. This

00:40:08.690 --> 00:40:13.070
is really early Toby too. How does early got

00:40:13.070 --> 00:40:16.269
to be true Toby compared to the Toby Mac of today?

00:40:18.300 --> 00:40:28.440
he was trying hard he finally found it did you

00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.380
get like when they sampled new thing at the beginning

00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:37.000
is that familiar to you as dc talk i from me

00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:43.800
to dc talk starts with jesus freak so yeah that

00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.170
was i was like Did I change the record? What's

00:40:47.170 --> 00:40:49.170
happening here? I completely forgot this song

00:40:49.170 --> 00:40:52.110
existed. I started hearing, God is doing a new

00:40:52.110 --> 00:40:55.590
thing. And I'm like, he is definitely. Cause

00:40:55.590 --> 00:40:58.590
I don't know what's happening right now. So Brandon,

00:40:58.610 --> 00:41:01.550
I'd like to challenge you a little bit on your

00:41:01.550 --> 00:41:06.630
thoughts on DC Talk. And maybe posit that you

00:41:06.630 --> 00:41:10.449
should give some earlier DC Talk. um a little

00:41:10.449 --> 00:41:13.389
bit of an opportunity in your life specifically

00:41:13.389 --> 00:41:16.769
not not necessarily anything and definitely not

00:41:16.769 --> 00:41:19.269
the self -titled album that came before it yeah

00:41:19.269 --> 00:41:23.710
um but the album between new thing and jesus

00:41:23.710 --> 00:41:28.309
freak free at last is a phenomenal record um

00:41:28.309 --> 00:41:31.349
from start to finish in fact i um i know we're

00:41:31.349 --> 00:41:33.969
not talking about dc talk here yeah but i remember

00:41:33.969 --> 00:41:37.869
rolling stone rated free at last like i like

00:41:39.259 --> 00:41:41.139
stratosphere high they were like this is the

00:41:41.139 --> 00:41:43.300
most groundbreaking thing we've ever heard nobody's

00:41:43.300 --> 00:41:45.760
ever mixed rap and rock together before uh -huh

00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.340
like this this is super cool and then I remember

00:41:49.340 --> 00:41:52.059
Rolling Stones review of Jesus Freak and they

00:41:52.059 --> 00:41:54.280
were like why did this really awesome band just

00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:59.099
sound like Nirvana now and they're like all the

00:41:59.099 --> 00:42:02.800
creativity is gone that they had before no I

00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:04.519
think Jesus Freak's a great record but you should

00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.820
give Free at Last a shot Well, yeah, I know love

00:42:07.820 --> 00:42:10.800
is a verb Jesus just all right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:12.599
there's some good stuff back there All right,

00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:16.739
Andrew the odds Steven Curtis Chapman has ever

00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:21.659
performed this live I bet if there's video of

00:42:21.659 --> 00:42:27.099
that How much would he pay to eliminate? I bet

00:42:27.099 --> 00:42:30.219
that there's money for the podcast I bet there

00:42:30.219 --> 00:42:32.840
was a Steven Curtis Chapman DC talk tour at some

00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:36.969
point and they probably did it every night We

00:42:36.969 --> 00:42:39.210
need to find out. We need to get your research

00:42:39.210 --> 00:42:42.590
department on that. I'll get my guys right on

00:42:42.590 --> 00:42:48.690
it. All I can say is G -O -T -T -O -B -T -R -U.

00:42:51.110 --> 00:42:55.530
I will say this. It's definitely not the highlight

00:42:55.530 --> 00:43:00.010
of the record for me too. It's pretty cringy.

00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.260
You were talking about earlier Steph brain cringy

00:43:03.260 --> 00:43:07.340
this one like hit really cringy for me, but I

00:43:07.340 --> 00:43:11.199
at least appreciate the fact that I that Stephen

00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:14.920
knows that it's cringing and He's like willing

00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.679
to admit it that the whole song is just basically

00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:21.619
like yeah, this is not for me, but but yeah,

00:43:21.619 --> 00:43:25.420
the ending would have been better like I guess

00:43:25.420 --> 00:43:29.869
like as a secret track like You know like way

00:43:29.869 --> 00:43:32.550
after the end somewhere or maybe on a separate

00:43:32.550 --> 00:43:35.809
album that no one ever heard You can't put toby

00:43:35.809 --> 00:43:38.489
mac on the secret track though. It's just that's

00:43:38.489 --> 00:43:40.690
true. It doesn't work that way I can confirm

00:43:40.690 --> 00:43:44.010
on youtube. There is a live version of this and

00:43:44.010 --> 00:43:50.710
It is exactly what you would expect I can't wait

00:43:50.710 --> 00:43:55.010
to watch it when this is over. So Um, but how

00:43:55.010 --> 00:44:03.570
about that key change at the end guys? I feel

00:44:03.570 --> 00:44:06.710
like I should have saved my comment about there's

00:44:06.710 --> 00:44:13.110
a shift in like this album It definitely woke

00:44:13.110 --> 00:44:15.969
me up a little bit when that song came on. Yep.

00:44:16.230 --> 00:44:18.869
Yep. I needed that. All right track eight walk

00:44:18.869 --> 00:44:27.719
with the wise thoughts So I Don't know. How do

00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:31.280
you come out of what we just got into into something

00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:34.599
else? But I feel like they do a pretty good job.

00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:37.780
Like this is where I get toto vibes on this song.

00:44:38.260 --> 00:44:42.380
Yeah bongos and congos and it sounds like either

00:44:42.380 --> 00:44:45.739
a 12 string guitar or something that's capable

00:44:45.739 --> 00:44:51.920
really high It's a good job of reestablishing

00:44:52.110 --> 00:44:56.829
hey we're back to like real music now yeah yeah

00:44:56.829 --> 00:44:59.730
i can feel that i thought that um i like the

00:44:59.730 --> 00:45:03.030
guitar a ton on this one i thought it was kind

00:45:03.030 --> 00:45:07.650
of cool the chorus is catchy it's good um the

00:45:07.650 --> 00:45:10.690
lyrics are i mean interesting just about i guess

00:45:10.690 --> 00:45:12.889
putting yourself around people that are wise

00:45:12.889 --> 00:45:16.010
that can help you grow um there's there really

00:45:16.010 --> 00:45:17.949
wasn't anything like explicitly christian about

00:45:17.949 --> 00:45:19.809
this song which is interesting other than like

00:45:19.809 --> 00:45:23.630
hanging out with wise people um so but um but

00:45:23.630 --> 00:45:26.550
yeah i liked it i think it i think it fits with

00:45:26.550 --> 00:45:29.329
the album i think it's like for me it's a little

00:45:29.329 --> 00:45:32.090
bit of of a stronger track and i think maybe

00:45:32.090 --> 00:45:36.030
it's just because i don't know like like i said

00:45:36.030 --> 00:45:39.170
i felt like the second half just sounds a little

00:45:39.170 --> 00:45:42.250
bit like different than the first half so i think

00:45:42.250 --> 00:45:46.340
i appreciated that you know maybe It maybe it's

00:45:46.340 --> 00:45:49.280
nice it didn't go as far as the previous song

00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.559
But it was nice that it was a little bit of not

00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:56.059
just okay. We're getting repetitive here. Yeah

00:45:56.059 --> 00:46:04.539
Yeah, I hear that Our next track is Maria Joel,

00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.360
what are your thoughts on Maria? Yeah, um, I

00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.840
thought this one was interesting. I like I like

00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.780
that. There's like a variety of instruments at

00:46:12.780 --> 00:46:16.070
play On this one when it started out. It kind

00:46:16.070 --> 00:46:18.829
of gave me a jars of clay vibe, which is interesting

00:46:18.829 --> 00:46:22.170
because this is pre jars of clay Right. So it's

00:46:22.170 --> 00:46:27.449
kind of before any of that but but yeah, I it

00:46:27.449 --> 00:46:31.070
reminded me like a like frail like off the First

00:46:31.070 --> 00:46:33.690
I don't know. Anyways, just kind of like a chill

00:46:33.690 --> 00:46:37.050
Thing I thought this was different for the record.

00:46:37.050 --> 00:46:40.750
Yeah in a good way but I also think that it probably

00:46:40.750 --> 00:46:43.530
could have gone somewhere that it didn't really

00:46:43.530 --> 00:46:48.110
end up going. Yeah. I don't know. So for me,

00:46:48.110 --> 00:46:52.429
it felt like that he wrote this for a movie that

00:46:52.429 --> 00:46:54.989
was like the Christian answer to lethal weapon

00:46:54.989 --> 00:47:00.050
two. And there's a really sad story about a woman

00:47:00.050 --> 00:47:05.969
named Maria. And it was heartfelt, but maybe

00:47:05.969 --> 00:47:08.809
like a little bit of a like, it felt like it

00:47:08.809 --> 00:47:11.420
didn't quite fit. with the rest of the record

00:47:11.420 --> 00:47:17.219
to me. Yeah, I get that. I, for me, I, I think

00:47:17.219 --> 00:47:23.179
I appreciated that it doesn't resolve just in

00:47:23.179 --> 00:47:26.400
the sense of I feel like I'm so used to like

00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.519
in Christian music there's always this like there's

00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.079
a problem, we set up a problem in the first verse

00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:34.019
but then they start reading the Bible in the

00:47:34.019 --> 00:47:36.900
second verse and then by the ending chorus like

00:47:36.900 --> 00:47:41.210
their whole life has changed. and like I think

00:47:41.210 --> 00:47:45.269
for me it was refreshing that like towards the

00:47:45.269 --> 00:47:48.530
end of it you don't get that like oh this person

00:47:48.530 --> 00:47:51.150
has came in there it's it's still this like it

00:47:51.150 --> 00:47:55.429
ends with like a like who who's going to do this

00:47:55.429 --> 00:48:00.269
who's going to help um so I think like lyrically

00:48:00.269 --> 00:48:04.190
I appreciated that it wasn't just this like nice

00:48:04.190 --> 00:48:07.710
little story like wrapped up yeah yeah that's

00:48:07.710 --> 00:48:11.699
cool Alright track number ten still called today.

00:48:11.699 --> 00:48:13.760
I'm really really interested to hear y 'all's

00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.699
thoughts on this one. I Think I was starting

00:48:17.699 --> 00:48:22.719
to get a little fatigued maybe CCM vibes by the

00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:26.599
time this Rolled around and so like I find myself

00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:28.940
like checking back in about halfway through and

00:48:28.940 --> 00:48:33.239
be like, oh I missed the start of this So yeah,

00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:36.889
my thoughts are not super well organized Only

00:48:36.889 --> 00:48:39.630
thing I wrote down was Duke Silver's saxophone

00:48:39.630 --> 00:48:52.090
I Feel like this is something that like I live

00:48:52.090 --> 00:48:54.389
by it so there's bonus points of just of like

00:48:54.389 --> 00:48:57.289
oh cool I agree with that message of this song

00:48:57.289 --> 00:49:02.619
But I'm not familiar with bb whinen's I don't

00:49:02.619 --> 00:49:05.500
even know if I'm pronouncing it right. He's related

00:49:05.500 --> 00:49:08.280
to C .C. Wyman. Okay, I was going to ask the

00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:13.059
question. Okay. It's C .C. Wyman's brother. But

00:49:13.059 --> 00:49:16.599
I liked his appearance. I felt like it was cool,

00:49:17.780 --> 00:49:21.280
like getting something like a little bit different,

00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:25.980
like in there. So I felt like it added and because,

00:49:26.139 --> 00:49:29.750
yeah, that's where like I started. Thinking like

00:49:29.750 --> 00:49:31.969
I ever wrote in my notes that like I've really

00:49:31.969 --> 00:49:34.590
enjoyed this second half a lot more than the

00:49:34.590 --> 00:49:40.030
first half. Yeah Guys, I love this song. I don't

00:49:40.030 --> 00:49:43.750
know what's wrong with especially Andrew You

00:49:43.750 --> 00:49:48.929
need to go back and listen I Thought this one

00:49:48.929 --> 00:49:52.570
is really cool and different in in some really

00:49:52.570 --> 00:49:55.210
cool ways I felt like this could have been like

00:49:55.210 --> 00:49:57.829
the single for the record in like the secular

00:49:57.829 --> 00:50:02.400
market Mm -hmm that that it was like strong enough

00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.400
to stand out there on its own and it had a message

00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:07.960
that would have done done Well, like like as

00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:11.719
fast like don't wait As long as it's still called

00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:16.579
today. Just like do it. I Yeah, I thought this

00:50:16.579 --> 00:50:19.599
was great BB one ends was a super great addition

00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:24.440
on this one. So for me this this track like is

00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:27.199
is right up there with a great adventure and

00:50:27.820 --> 00:50:30.840
One of my one of my two favorite songs on the

00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:35.980
album. So Yeah, all right, and we come to the

00:50:35.980 --> 00:50:40.320
finale with hearts cry Andrew, how'd you feel

00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:46.480
about hearts crying? I thought it was like the

00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:50.980
one that like felt the least tied to 1992 like

00:50:50.980 --> 00:50:54.320
it was like I felt like it was sort of time more

00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.539
timeless than the rest of the album. I like to

00:50:57.539 --> 00:51:02.760
kind of strip down guitar, piano, synth and string

00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:08.300
sound. And the lyrics are powerful. The lyric,

00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:10.719
the cross should have been mine, that really

00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:14.000
stuck in my heart listening to it. But his love

00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.679
broke through time and heard my heart's cry.

00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:19.539
And there's other good lyrics in there too, but

00:51:19.539 --> 00:51:22.760
that one really caught my attention going through

00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:28.579
it. Yeah, I I really like this one a lot. I think

00:51:28.579 --> 00:51:31.619
it's hard not to like this is This is one of

00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:35.440
those songs that when it came on I'm like, oh

00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.340
I I remember this one which I struggled to with

00:51:39.340 --> 00:51:41.559
a lot of the songs on this record But this one

00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.039
stood out and I'm like I could sing along with

00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.940
it still for whatever reason it's a beautiful

00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:53.909
song and it does have like a an earnestness It

00:51:53.909 --> 00:51:56.730
feels a lot more grounded and real than like

00:51:56.730 --> 00:52:00.610
a lot of the other tracks on the record And I

00:52:00.610 --> 00:52:04.929
like I really believe it when he sings it And

00:52:04.929 --> 00:52:09.690
the bridge is great. The melody is gorgeous And

00:52:09.690 --> 00:52:12.309
so yeah, yeah, this is this is definitely one

00:52:12.309 --> 00:52:15.469
of my top top tracks of the record We were talking

00:52:15.469 --> 00:52:19.179
about this on like a previous review and I made

00:52:19.179 --> 00:52:21.820
a mention about how like sometimes we focus so

00:52:21.820 --> 00:52:25.920
much on the beginning of an album and sometimes

00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.639
we're just we almost expect an album to I don't

00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:30.599
know for that to be where like the songs that

00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.280
maybe aren't the best or you know whatever yeah

00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:36.800
um but I felt like it was a great ending like

00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.980
by the end of it I wasn't like wanting to just

00:52:39.980 --> 00:52:42.780
like skip and be done with it like yeah I was

00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:45.239
wanting to hear it out and like let the album

00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:49.960
um so I felt like it was It's always nice having

00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.019
that on the album when you're not ready, but

00:52:52.019 --> 00:52:55.320
all right. Are we done yet? Yeah Yeah, that's

00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:57.980
a really strong closer. If I could add one thing

00:52:57.980 --> 00:53:00.760
to make it a little better. I would right at

00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:10.179
the end drop in a G o t So it ended perfectly

00:53:10.179 --> 00:53:14.250
Andrew for you. This is your favorite track on

00:53:14.250 --> 00:53:16.789
the record. Brandon, what would you say is maybe

00:53:16.789 --> 00:53:23.849
your favorite one? Man, I don't know. I might

00:53:23.849 --> 00:53:27.710
struggle. I might be I might go with got to be

00:53:27.710 --> 00:53:30.449
true just because that's the one that stood out.

00:53:32.230 --> 00:53:36.349
So you got to be you, man. Yeah. Yeah, I think

00:53:36.349 --> 00:53:44.380
that I think that or even Yeah, like still still

00:53:44.380 --> 00:53:47.000
called today. Like maybe that's the that's who

00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:51.659
I'd go with. Yeah Yeah, I it's hard for me. The

00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:54.460
great adventure is the great adventure, but I

00:53:54.460 --> 00:53:57.139
think still called today is the one that I would

00:53:57.139 --> 00:54:00.380
Probably go with I'll throw the great adventure

00:54:00.380 --> 00:54:02.719
up there and then I'll bring in hearts. Cry.

00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.889
It's like a solid Right up there with them. I

00:54:06.889 --> 00:54:08.670
don't know those. I feel like those are all great

00:54:08.670 --> 00:54:16.530
songs So you guys have any number two? Any closing

00:54:16.530 --> 00:54:20.309
thoughts on the record as a whole for you guys

00:54:20.309 --> 00:54:26.230
So, yeah, I was surprised by the sound a little

00:54:26.230 --> 00:54:29.190
bit I remembered some of the songs, but I remember

00:54:29.190 --> 00:54:32.820
them a little differently but Respect for Steven

00:54:32.820 --> 00:54:35.559
Curtis Chapman as an artist is still like super

00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:39.539
high like Just the way his whole career and body

00:54:39.539 --> 00:54:41.860
of work. It's not that I listen to him a ton

00:54:41.860 --> 00:54:46.139
But he's a really excellent musician composer

00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:50.760
And he's a real guy like so many of the people

00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:54.039
get sort of chewed up and spit out in that industry

00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:56.579
and I can only imagine how difficult it is to

00:54:56.579 --> 00:55:00.000
sustain an authentic faith through decades of

00:55:00.300 --> 00:55:04.260
the inauthenticity of the CCN world. So you've

00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:08.260
definitely got my respect. I think for me, like,

00:55:09.219 --> 00:55:13.199
um, it gives me an appreciation, um, for like

00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:17.539
his whole career for me to be like, Oh, that's,

00:55:17.539 --> 00:55:20.079
that's cool that I know the stuff that I've listened

00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.639
to today that I think is like really good or

00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:26.760
whatever. So like, for me, like not, not listening

00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:30.409
to a lot of like, that like era or whatever it's

00:55:30.409 --> 00:55:33.530
easy for me to think oh this this is cheesy or

00:55:33.530 --> 00:55:36.869
whatever but like to me it's cool to go back

00:55:36.869 --> 00:55:40.510
and get like a history lesson on like oh this

00:55:40.510 --> 00:55:43.510
is what music was this is this is why he was

00:55:43.510 --> 00:55:46.989
popular yeah um but also just seeing this like

00:55:46.989 --> 00:55:49.550
this like evolution of an artist like to me it's

00:55:49.550 --> 00:55:52.750
cool to see like i mean like you know we we keep

00:55:52.750 --> 00:55:55.090
making fun of the toby mack track but i think

00:55:55.090 --> 00:55:58.559
it's so cool to see how like You see those two

00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.800
guys and then you fast forward What third like

00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:06.719
30 years and like there's still two of the most

00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:09.760
like I would say recognizable like people in

00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:13.340
the industry but also just to see that like Yeah,

00:56:13.340 --> 00:56:16.599
like they kept on changing and that they've and

00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:19.539
so to me. It's just like I'm the same way I walk

00:56:19.539 --> 00:56:23.809
away with an appreciation for Stephen Yeah, he

00:56:23.809 --> 00:56:29.710
doesn't show off on this album, but he's one

00:56:29.710 --> 00:56:33.130
of the best guitar players in Christian music.

00:56:33.489 --> 00:56:36.909
He's an incredible guitar player. He's an album,

00:56:36.949 --> 00:56:39.809
a couple of albums from now, is probably my favorite

00:56:39.809 --> 00:56:41.530
Steven Curtis Chapman album. It's called Signs

00:56:41.530 --> 00:56:46.630
of Life and it's a record that's, man, he just,

00:56:46.630 --> 00:56:49.230
he plays the guitar on that thing and I feel

00:56:49.230 --> 00:56:53.110
like it's... I think I read somewhere him say

00:56:53.110 --> 00:56:56.489
that he typically would write albums focused

00:56:56.489 --> 00:57:00.110
on melodies and then kind of add music underneath

00:57:00.110 --> 00:57:03.550
it. But on Signs of Life, he started with the

00:57:03.550 --> 00:57:06.980
music and kind of built on top of there. And

00:57:06.980 --> 00:57:11.360
so I loved I loved that record a lot. And but

00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.000
I feel like that helps me as I listen to this

00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:16.440
realize because I feel like a lot of times we

00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:18.579
can listen to a CCM record like this and say,

00:57:18.699 --> 00:57:20.739
well, how much did Stephen actually have to do

00:57:20.739 --> 00:57:24.239
with with this this album and this these songs?

00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:29.179
But he's a super talented guy. And like we said,

00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:33.639
I think just a real earnest and genuine, genuine

00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:37.000
guy. And so like you guys are saying, I'm I'm

00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.139
thankful for his impact in the world and in the

00:57:40.139 --> 00:57:42.579
industry and I'm thankful that he's still out

00:57:42.579 --> 00:57:45.059
there doing it. I think that's really awesome.

00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.199
So what would you guys rate The Great Adventure

00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:53.320
by Stephen Curtis Chapman? Where would you fall?

00:57:55.340 --> 00:58:00.659
So I think it probably is somewhere between maybe

00:58:00.659 --> 00:58:08.230
like a 3 .6, 3 .7 for me. It's got some really

00:58:08.230 --> 00:58:12.369
good highlights, but it doesn't have the consistency

00:58:12.369 --> 00:58:15.230
all the way through to be like a four for me.

00:58:15.869 --> 00:58:20.670
Yeah. I hear that. So I'm pretty close to you,

00:58:20.730 --> 00:58:25.750
Andrew, in it. Brandon and I have talked before

00:58:25.750 --> 00:58:29.050
about sometimes it's hard to objectively look

00:58:29.050 --> 00:58:31.489
at a record and not take nostalgia out of it.

00:58:32.139 --> 00:58:34.019
All those different kinds of things, but I think

00:58:34.019 --> 00:58:37.300
it's OK to let nostalgia like speak into where

00:58:37.300 --> 00:58:39.960
an album falls for us. And so I feel like I'm

00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:41.780
somewhere right around in the same spot, like

00:58:41.780 --> 00:58:44.800
probably a three point five for me and just realizing

00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:48.599
like the importance and the impact of of this

00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:52.079
record on the industry as a whole. I don't it's

00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.739
weird to say, but I don't think you would have

00:58:54.739 --> 00:58:58.460
a band like Jars of Clay without having Steven

00:58:58.460 --> 00:59:01.059
Curtis Chapman in a moment like this. And so,

00:59:01.059 --> 00:59:03.760
you know. yeah it's just a really important record

00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:08.460
yeah i i think legacy wise like i give it like

00:59:08.460 --> 00:59:12.239
a four four point five i think for me personal

00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:18.280
wise it's closer to like a two but i i think

00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:25.119
that's like i think that's the problem is not

00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:30.489
having like the nostalgia um But like like yeah,

00:59:30.570 --> 00:59:32.110
cuz I feel like that's the struggle as I try

00:59:32.110 --> 00:59:37.190
to think of what is um like Am I adding this

00:59:37.190 --> 00:59:40.769
to my playlist afterwards or whatever? but like

00:59:40.769 --> 00:59:45.809
honestly going back like I Always have this fear

00:59:45.809 --> 00:59:47.809
that I'm like, oh is there gonna be anything

00:59:47.809 --> 00:59:50.170
on this album? Or is there gonna be what but

00:59:50.170 --> 00:59:53.510
like I like I might not be adding to my playlist

00:59:53.510 --> 00:59:57.389
but like I really did enjoy like going back and

00:59:57.389 --> 01:00:00.489
I feel like honestly like it really makes me

01:00:00.489 --> 01:00:03.730
like in the coming week like to start going through

01:00:03.730 --> 01:00:07.110
Steven Chris Chapman's like um like his library

01:00:07.110 --> 01:00:10.090
because honestly like I love the guy but I can

01:00:10.090 --> 01:00:12.809
maybe tell you a handful of songs so I feel like

01:00:12.809 --> 01:00:16.289
like this album wise I might not be like putting

01:00:16.289 --> 01:00:19.489
like on repeat but I'm really excited to go back

01:00:19.489 --> 01:00:22.510
and kind of like listen to more like to see like

01:00:22.510 --> 01:00:25.670
what What was the evolution like how did this

01:00:25.670 --> 01:00:27.949
change from his first release or like, you know

01:00:27.949 --> 01:00:32.329
his later releases? So like I I feel like when

01:00:32.329 --> 01:00:34.190
you give a low grade, it's like you hated an

01:00:34.190 --> 01:00:37.130
album But it's like I like I love getting to

01:00:37.130 --> 01:00:40.570
listen to this and I and I really hate it What'd

01:00:40.570 --> 01:00:47.369
you say? But like I like I honestly I love when

01:00:47.369 --> 01:00:51.010
people bring stuff like this like it's like in

01:00:51.010 --> 01:00:54.480
college I tell people that like The my favorite

01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:57.739
classes if I went back I think I made C's in

01:00:57.739 --> 01:01:00.199
all of them like I wasn't good in the classes,

01:01:00.300 --> 01:01:03.920
right? but I learned so much from them and um

01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.639
so like albums like this like I love getting

01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.380
to go back and be like, you know, yeah, like

01:01:09.380 --> 01:01:11.760
I want to in the future I want to learn more

01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:14.760
about like why was this groundbreaking instead

01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:16.940
of something that I listened to 30 years later

01:01:16.940 --> 01:01:19.380
and I go Oh, this sounds like something that

01:01:19.380 --> 01:01:21.360
I would hear like in a church growing up, you

01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:24.400
know, whatever like understanding why like it

01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:28.559
might be cheesy now but like in the proper context

01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:32.679
this actually was really good yeah yeah i do

01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:36.179
think that it's go ahead have you guys have you

01:01:36.179 --> 01:01:40.480
guys heard this band called whipset it's like

01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:45.840
a a modern sort of reliant k throwback style

01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:48.780
band but they covered steven carter's chapman's

01:01:48.780 --> 01:01:52.179
dive And you can stream it on Apple Music and

01:01:52.179 --> 01:01:54.780
Spotify. And it's just kind of an interesting

01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:59.679
mashup of worlds. Abandoned 2025, covering Steven

01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:02.179
Carter's Chapman in the vein of her lion cake.

01:02:03.019 --> 01:02:05.679
That's cool. I will have to check that out for

01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:08.820
sure. Yeah. Well, I'm thankful for you guys digging

01:02:08.820 --> 01:02:11.480
into this album Andrew. Thanks for bringing it

01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:15.260
to us so that we it was so fun going back and

01:02:15.260 --> 01:02:18.260
listening to it and Trying to figure out was

01:02:18.260 --> 01:02:21.599
this what I remember to being or or not and in

01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:23.340
a lot of ways It was and in a lot of ways it

01:02:23.340 --> 01:02:25.920
wasn't so I really enjoy doing that All right.

01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:28.860
Let's dig into what is the lyric of the week?

01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:42.679
So the lyric of the week this week is there's

01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:46.059
a hole the size of a cruel word in a wounded

01:02:46.059 --> 01:02:48.599
heart somewhere That's learning to hide the pain

01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:51.679
There's a thorn stuck in the conscience of someone

01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.480
who spoke a word in anger and they can't wash

01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:57.860
away the stain I'm sorry such a hard word to

01:02:57.860 --> 01:03:01.940
say I actually thought he had some good some

01:03:01.940 --> 01:03:05.340
good writing in places in this and so I thought

01:03:05.340 --> 01:03:08.179
that was cool Well, Andrew, thanks again for

01:03:08.179 --> 01:03:10.460
joining us today, man. It's been a good time

01:03:10.460 --> 01:03:13.820
Where can people find you in the world or do

01:03:13.820 --> 01:03:16.760
you want people to find you in the world? So

01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:19.780
if you go to like the downtown market at night,

01:03:19.780 --> 01:03:22.699
I'll be hiding in a dark corner somewhere. You

01:03:22.699 --> 01:03:27.599
can Come find me there. No, I'm not like super

01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.840
you can follow me on Instagram. I think I'm X

01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:34.960
let Mookie dance X which is Throwback to the

01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:38.179
old school days of straight -edge hardcore long

01:03:38.179 --> 01:03:42.679
story with that one So that's awesome. Yeah,

01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:45.679
you can find Andrew there and you can find us

01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:49.460
of course at on Twitter or X at hey, are you

01:03:49.460 --> 01:03:52.940
pod? Facebook. Hey, are you listening and we'd

01:03:52.940 --> 01:03:55.300
love to have you jump on there We'd also be super

01:03:55.300 --> 01:03:59.179
grateful if you could give the podcast a rating

01:03:59.179 --> 01:04:02.909
and even a review Thanks to all of you who listen

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every week. We are thankful that you are on this

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journey with us and we're looking forward to

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the days ahead as we continue to dig into this

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world of Christian music.