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Are you listening? Hey, welcome to Hey Are You

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Listening? This is a podcast exploring the past,

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present, and future of Christian music. My name

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is Joel, and I'm here with my good friend Brandon.

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And we connected over a mutual love of a few

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different artists, but also have some pretty

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different tastes. And when it comes to things,

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and so we're kind of enjoying the journey of

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getting to talk through and introduce each other

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to things while inviting some friends along for

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the ride. And we actually have a friend back

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with us today for the second time. Our friend,

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Mr. Jared Byers from the band Bleach. Jared,

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welcome back to the podcast. Thank you. It's

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great. It's good to be here. Yeah, it's good

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to have you back. One of the things we do when

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we are covering a record and we have a guest

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come on is that we like to let you bring one

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of your favorite albums for us to get to spend

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some time with it. So what have you brought for

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us today? I've got a classic, classic record

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from a small band called Pedro the Lion. You

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guys ever heard of that band? I have indeed.

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Brandon, have you? Oh, yeah. What's your story

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with Pedro? So I don't know if I've ever listened

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to them, but they were co -headlining a tour

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with me without you in 2019. Oh, so I got to

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see him alive. So it's this weird experience

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of like, can't tell you a single song, but like

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I've experienced the live show. That's really

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cool. That's actually that's a cool. I didn't

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know they did that. Yeah, it was a really cool

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tour. That was twenty nineteen. Yeah. Cool. So

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this came out in 1997. So I was, I'm pretty sure

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I was a sophomore in high school. And I don't

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know, this is just one of the most special records.

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It's an EP, so it's only six songs. But it's

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Pedro the Lion, whole EP. And I'll be honest

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with you, when it first came out, I thought that

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this was his story. Because it's about a drug

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addiction and finding Jesus through it and redemption

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and It ends with a song called him. Yeah, you

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know, it's like it's a beauty. It's a it's such

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a beautiful story So I was always shocked when

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I found out this is not Dave Bazan story what

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because you know, they talk a lot about needles

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and the addiction and going back and forth from

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into it and Which you know in some ways makes

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it more special that this is a story and that's

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what that's his mo, right? That's what he does.

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He tells stories pictures. Yeah control is another

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one of my favorite one of his records that is

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like a long story Yeah, and yeah, so it's it's

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really well done. Yeah, but I you know going

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back to The record and what it means to me the

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way he wrote it just the The simplicity of it

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this record is simple and Brandon if you listen

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to it now you're probably like why does he why

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is this so special to him because it's not it

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doesn't sound great um Dave I'm pretty sure played

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the drums and he's not a drummer yeah but those

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little things about it I love yeah you know it

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makes it more special um like he he only plays

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like a three -piece kit like floor tom kick and

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snare and the drum parts are super simple. And

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me being a drummer, you would think I would want

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to be like a Travis Barker record or something,

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but no, I just love the simplicity. But musically,

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and the last thing I'll say is the simplicity

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of that, but lyrically and the meaning. It's

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like the easiest thing for me to relate humankind

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to our savior. You know, it's like that. It's

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a beautiful bridge and it's just a Really it's

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six songs, but it's really five songs with lyrics.

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Yeah of just those that story, you know of someone

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that's completely broken in song one And then

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song two starts searching. Yeah song three hears

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about something song four Is this true? Yeah,

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and song five is I think the lullaby. Yeah, and

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it's like oh my god. Come on Let's go. Yeah,

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I so I hadn't listened to this one like all the

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way through it's been a few years Since I had

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and I definitely remembered every every song

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on it But man just listening to it like this

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is a record you have to listen to from start

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to finish, right? Like it doesn't make sense

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outside of right that right and I just love albums

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like that. It's one of the things that I love

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about about page of the lion how Dave makes music

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is so many of his albums just tell these stories

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like this. But I think this is one of the most

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like simple, concise, like versions of that.

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And it really is kind of like almost like a thesis

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statement for the band. Totally which is really

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cool. So yeah, we'll talk a little bit We're

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gonna talk a lot more about this and just a little

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bit but before we get into that I wanted to play

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a little bit of a game We several episodes back

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Brandon we played The first round of this or

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that um had you and your wife, uh jordan on and

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um, I just felt like after that experience that

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you needed an opportunity to redeem yourself

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a little bit I went home that they had been playing

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a little bit of mxpx. So Oh, no Oh, no, it was

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like it was mxpx or reliant k and and they're

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like, I don't I don't think i've ever listened

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to an mxpx song and i'm like Do you think it

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was a green day or something now he's similar

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That's cool. Oh man. Yeah. All right. So we're

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gonna do a version of this with you guys and

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so Basically, I'm gonna give you two artists

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and you tell me like which one that you if you

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had to pick between the two You're gonna only

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listen to one of them for the rest of your life

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No big deal taking that kind of far which one

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would it be and so the first one for you just

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to bring it back to the forefront of all of this

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is mxpx or slick shoes This is good Joel slick

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shoes, what's your favorite? Slick shoes I that

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yeah. Okay. Do you have like it? Have you listened

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to any? No, I think just listen to mxpx. I think

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that I would be open to listening to You might

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choose mxpx after you listen to slick shoes That's

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a really good question. I love both bands. Yeah,

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I do too I will say I love more mxpx albums than

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slick shoes. I think The the the one and only

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slick shoes is the first one they put out that

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I wore it out and I'll still listen to it But

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mxpx there's like eight albums. Yeah, so I feel

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like I would rather Listen to them. Yeah. Yeah,

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it's a hard one for me because I felt like mxpx

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was Outside of Green Day like my first intro

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into the the world of punk music Yeah, same.

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I spent so much time listening to listening to

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these records. Yeah I mean, I wore out life in

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general and slowly going away the Buffalo. Oh,

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so incredible records. I think the first album

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I listened to was the cover one. Yeah. Cover

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GP. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's great. Yeah. But like

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I love. slick shoes so much yeah and just on

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a technical level like they're so good they're

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unbelievable i saw them at furnace fest last

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year again first time i ever got to see them

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play that's cool um so i was thrilled to get

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to see them and they've still got it i don't

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know if you've listened to their like um their

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most recent record they put out like a couple

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years ago in tooth and nail no it's so good i'll

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check it out yeah you need to i haven't heard

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it it's a really good record i remember when

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that kid was like 16 yeah You know, like he was

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like singing. He was literally a kid. Yeah, which

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I was a kid too, but I was like 18. But I just

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thought that was awesome. Totally cool. He's

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actually a much better vocalist today. I think

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that he was back then. That's great. You know,

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their breakdowns remind me of like my favorite

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part of saves the day are like their bridges

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and breakdowns. Yeah, they're so catchy. Yeah.

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And slick shoes has one of those and one like

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every one of their songs. Yeah. Can hear it in

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my head right now. Yeah, they're a guitar player.

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I think his name is Jackson and their drummer

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just So good so fast. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah,

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I need to be taking notes over here. So it's

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like listen to guitar listen to this Yeah All

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right. Let's go to the next one Goatee hook or

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squad 5o. Oh nice Such great bands, goodness.

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This is easy for me. Squad 5 -0, hands down.

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Just those guys, gosh, I mean the brothers, like

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we played shows with them too. That was one band

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actually that was not here for Bleach. Four front

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days. Yeah, they were not cool with bleach and

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then when we got signed the tooth and nail It

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was like night and day those guys were like,

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oh y 'all are cool. Like can we tour with you

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guys more? Like it was like a weird transition.

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Yeah But I always loved those guys and their

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phenomenal life to the singer plays a four four

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string guitar Because he's like I I don't know

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what to do with the other two strings. He's like,

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I don't need him. I love that And it was always

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a three piece band. Yeah. Yeah. Godi Hook was

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great. Talk about musicianship as well. Great

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musicians. I love the two years to never go to

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a record. The one that's a little more 80s like

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feeling. Yeah. Yeah. A little less punk rock.

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Yeah, they were a good. They were just a good

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time. Yeah, for sure. But I think I'm with you.

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Like Squad Favo had much more like of an impact.

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um for me and and i remember like seeing those

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guys at like the dingiest venues when oh yeah

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i mean this is before they were on tooth and

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nail um when they were putting out their like

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um they're like ska punk stuff but just like

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holy cow man on that were they on the floor bulletproof

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they were on bulletproof that's right yes there

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was some good bands on bulletproof Yeah, but

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that record like Fight the System, their second

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record. Yeah, man. It's so good. It is. I'll

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play that for people today and they're like,

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what in the world is this? But that's great.

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I love it. So good. These are good. Yeah. All

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right. Next one. This one might be tough for

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you. Five Iron Frenzy or The Insiders. Oh, wow.

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It's not. OK. Five Iron. Awesome. Hands down.

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The Insiders are great. Their music was fun.

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Those guys are phenomenal musicians, too I didn't

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like his vocals as much as Reese's like I Was

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I was a I was a five -armed Fran fan. Yeah, you

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know And I can't even tell you what album it

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is it's The one where they sing about Canada

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and it's the second record the second one and

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it's got the epic song at the end every new day.

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Yeah. See like that. Yeah. See, you get it. That's

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a five. That's a five star song. Yeah. Yeah.

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And seeing them play that live on that farewell

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tour every night was I would go out of my way

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to make sure I was witnessing it because that's

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how they ended every set. Yeah. Oh, that's so

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good. Unbelievable. Yeah. I'm with you, Brandon.

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Yeah, we're gonna get Brandon actually think

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I actually really think Brandon is gonna be a

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big five iron fan Yeah, as we as we get into

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it because he's super into lyrics and I feel

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like You're all you're also like really like

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one of your favorite bands is house of heroes.

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Yes these big like Anthematic like choruses.

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Yeah, you get that with fire into you. So I love

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house of heroes. Yeah, they're great All right.

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Next one and Berlin Or the Juliana theory. This

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is funny. I'm a more of a fan of Amberlynn. As

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people. But I never really listened to a ton

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of music. Yeah. I did listen to Juliana theory.

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Yeah. Yeah. So. I guess I have to go with Julie

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on theory. And I'm kind of ashamed of it. Yeah.

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Brandon, do you, what's your thought here? This,

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this might make you guys more upset than not

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knowing the bands. Oh no. But the only Amberlynn

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song I know is on one of the, uh, I think it's

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one of the like happy Christmas albums. They

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have, um, they do a version of like baby please

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come home for Christmas. That's the only Amberlynn

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song I know. But I like their cover. There you

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go. There you go. Well, I'll go with Juliana

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Theory. Whoa, I'm actually surprised. I loved

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that first. I mean, I like a lot of their stuff,

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but that first album just hit at the right moment

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for me where I was like super deep into Jimmy

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World. And then I'm like, oh. We have like a

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version of that on tooth and our 100%. Oh, yeah.

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That's it's such a great record. Yeah, for sure.

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All right. Next one. This is a little little

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different world, but Star Flyer 59. Wow. Or poor

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old Lou. Wow. This is a different world. I can't

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I can't deny Star Flyer. I mean, come on. We

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know where we're all going here. So Starflower

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is one of the really probably the first band

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that Brandon and I like actually connected. Oh,

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cool, cool, cool. And so the name of the podcast,

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Hey, Are You Listening is the name of a Starflower.

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Yeah, yeah. So that's awesome. Yeah, I'm a huge,

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huge Starflower fan. Jason Martin just keeps

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doing it. And I don't know how like I don't even

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know how many starflower albums there are at

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this point, but they're all good. Yeah, they're

00:16:17.940 --> 00:16:22.320
all different colors. Yeah, I do know that. No,

00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.259
that's awesome. Yeah, they're great. Yeah. 100%.

00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:27.200
All right. Next one. Now we're going a little

00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.460
more mainstream with this one. Jars of clay or

00:16:30.460 --> 00:16:36.120
third day. Whoa. I'm having to really think on

00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:47.919
this one rain rain on my face. Third day I Just

00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.700
gotta go third day. I listen I listen to several,

00:16:50.700 --> 00:16:53.019
you know, I was in the third day for a few records

00:16:53.019 --> 00:16:57.879
Yeah back in the day back in the third day Jarza

00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:00.659
clay I think was like the main their first record,

00:17:00.659 --> 00:17:03.960
you know with the rain song. Yeah That was a

00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.480
good record, but I don't I don't know any other

00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:08.720
stuff after that. I really don't think I do Yeah,

00:17:08.779 --> 00:17:11.559
at least third day. I know a few of their albums.

00:17:12.339 --> 00:17:15.319
Yeah. And I like those guys. Yeah, I feel like

00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:19.059
this is hard for me too. I like both of those

00:17:19.059 --> 00:17:23.420
bands. And like you, I fell off like both of

00:17:23.420 --> 00:17:27.940
them, like not far into their career. But yeah,

00:17:27.940 --> 00:17:29.980
that first third day record when I heard it,

00:17:30.019 --> 00:17:32.019
I'm like, I haven't heard anything like that

00:17:32.019 --> 00:17:34.779
in Christian music. And so that was cool. It

00:17:34.779 --> 00:17:37.369
really was like pushing some boundaries. But

00:17:37.369 --> 00:17:41.730
so was Jars of Clay like early on. So yeah, yeah,

00:17:41.730 --> 00:17:44.130
it's a hard one for me. I think I'd probably

00:17:44.130 --> 00:17:47.049
have to land on Jars of Clay, though. I really

00:17:47.049 --> 00:17:49.250
find the urge now to like prove that I listen

00:17:49.250 --> 00:17:51.930
to music and just start name dropping like, well,

00:17:51.990 --> 00:17:54.049
there's Live Wire and then we got to think of

00:17:54.049 --> 00:17:56.410
this Jars of Clay album because I know both of

00:17:56.410 --> 00:18:00.329
these bands. For me, Third Day was one of the

00:18:00.329 --> 00:18:04.289
first like Christian bands we got into because

00:18:04.289 --> 00:18:06.210
like my mom was really big into like the wow

00:18:06.210 --> 00:18:09.420
hits. So we would listen to them a ton. And then

00:18:09.420 --> 00:18:12.799
I feel like in college, I feel like college like

00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.380
unlocks Jars of Clay. Like you start a lot of

00:18:15.380 --> 00:18:17.640
their stuff, you're like, oh, I get it now. I

00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:20.019
get what they're going. So I feel like for me,

00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:23.400
like Jars of Clay is probably one of my top five

00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:27.200
favorite bands of all time. Oh, wow. That's cool.

00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:29.920
That's cool. Right behind MXPX. Yeah, there you

00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:33.079
go. It's neck and neck. Yeah. All right. Completely

00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:36.359
different direction. Under oath or Norma Jean.

00:18:36.730 --> 00:18:42.869
Under oath. I just I love under oath. Yeah. And

00:18:42.869 --> 00:18:48.450
the just the melodies and everything. Yeah. Yeah.

00:18:48.890 --> 00:18:51.009
Norma Jean is great. We actually played a couple

00:18:51.009 --> 00:18:53.869
of shows with Norma Jean and they're amazing

00:18:53.869 --> 00:18:58.869
live. But even as a musician, Norma Jean just

00:18:58.869 --> 00:19:02.250
kind of was more noise. Yeah. And that's great,

00:19:02.349 --> 00:19:07.549
too. But at least with certain under oath. Albums

00:19:07.549 --> 00:19:10.049
I can like I can actually sing along to it, you

00:19:10.049 --> 00:19:13.069
know, I know what they're singing about Yeah,

00:19:13.230 --> 00:19:15.730
I got to see both of them at Furnace Best last

00:19:15.730 --> 00:19:22.549
year and so yeah, I felt that way too like My

00:19:22.549 --> 00:19:25.190
band played with under a long time ago before

00:19:25.190 --> 00:19:28.750
they ever anything. Yeah That's awesome. But

00:19:28.750 --> 00:19:31.549
and I loved like they're only chasing safety.

00:19:31.869 --> 00:19:34.589
That's hands down my favorite album of theirs

00:19:34.589 --> 00:19:36.269
and they play that's what they played at furnace

00:19:36.269 --> 00:19:38.349
fest last time which was super cool really they

00:19:38.349 --> 00:19:40.750
just played that oh my gosh that was really good

00:19:40.750 --> 00:19:43.809
that's rad um i love them bands do that that

00:19:43.809 --> 00:19:45.789
was really fun to experience that and then norma

00:19:45.789 --> 00:19:48.150
jean for me was a little more noise so yeah i'm

00:19:48.150 --> 00:19:52.009
gonna go with under earth as well yeah yeah noise

00:19:52.009 --> 00:19:55.809
what i gotta say about that yeah i i think those

00:19:55.809 --> 00:19:58.569
are two of the top bands i had so many friends

00:19:58.569 --> 00:20:00.910
like in high school those were their two bands

00:20:00.910 --> 00:20:03.900
yeah And I don't know like some of these bands.

00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:06.240
I'm like, yeah, it's like I got into music after

00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:10.500
like after they were popular But like I don't

00:20:10.500 --> 00:20:12.720
know those are two like head scratchers as to

00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:15.619
why I haven't listened to them. But Well, it

00:20:15.619 --> 00:20:19.380
happens to the list. Yeah, absolutely There you

00:20:19.380 --> 00:20:26.380
go. All right, the last one for us now is Project

00:20:26.380 --> 00:20:35.650
86 or skillet Oh my gosh. I don't know. I saved

00:20:35.650 --> 00:20:38.630
this one for the end, just for the fun of it.

00:20:40.470 --> 00:20:44.130
Do I have to choose one? I mean, I guess. Hey,

00:20:44.230 --> 00:20:47.430
the first Skillet record was on forefront. Yeah.

00:20:47.470 --> 00:20:50.069
And, you know, I actually I actually was a fan

00:20:50.069 --> 00:20:52.490
of Skillet. Yeah. So I guess I have to choose

00:20:52.490 --> 00:20:57.450
that. Gotcha. Just off my history, my past. Yeah.

00:20:57.630 --> 00:21:00.759
And we we did. We've toured with Skillet a lot

00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:04.960
and they're they're good friends of ours, but.

00:21:06.380 --> 00:21:08.519
I'll be honest, there's there's a little bit

00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:10.920
of Project 86 I do like. I think they're a great

00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:14.779
band, but I never became I was never a fan. Yeah.

00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:17.900
Yeah. So I really got into the rap core. It's

00:21:17.900 --> 00:21:20.000
a little yeah, it's a little disconnected for

00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:24.920
me. Yeah. So. Yeah, that's all I'll say. Yeah,

00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:27.380
it's good. Feel like I've just listened to way

00:21:27.380 --> 00:21:31.359
more skillet than project 86 So like what I've

00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:34.339
listened to 86 like I enjoyed but I feel like

00:21:34.339 --> 00:21:37.259
it goes back to I forget the band you mentioned

00:21:37.259 --> 00:21:39.460
earlier It's like you just know more of their

00:21:39.460 --> 00:21:42.220
stuff. Mm -hmm And I remember like I remember

00:21:42.220 --> 00:21:44.619
being a kid and going they were at winter jam

00:21:44.619 --> 00:21:49.220
one year skillet and they just release because

00:21:49.220 --> 00:21:52.039
like comatose was the album and it was funny

00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:55.480
because we had like our very like conservative

00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:58.079
Christian radio station. So when I saw Skillet

00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:00.039
on the card, I thought they were just this like

00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:02.240
band starting out and I was like, oh, it's just

00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:03.700
this little band starting out. They're probably

00:22:03.700 --> 00:22:06.019
like 15 minutes. But all of a sudden you just

00:22:06.019 --> 00:22:08.640
see fire shooting up and I'm like, oh no, I think

00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:12.259
this band is actually really popular. Yeah, they

00:22:12.259 --> 00:22:16.859
love fire. Something about fire. Yeah. I just

00:22:16.859 --> 00:22:19.019
think it's funny thing about like Bleach and

00:22:19.019 --> 00:22:21.940
Skillet trying to go like, yeah, that's so stupid

00:22:21.940 --> 00:22:27.279
though. Like the names. So and they had an EP

00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:30.839
Forefront put out a an EP with skillet on one

00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.859
side and bleach on the other. Really? Yeah It

00:22:33.859 --> 00:22:37.480
was like three songs a piece. Huh? I Just think

00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:39.599
it's funny cuz skillet. I mean, it's not a great

00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:45.079
name and bleach is not either so I Mean bands

00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:46.940
like yours. It is really annoying when you try

00:22:46.940 --> 00:22:49.779
to go find merch on eBay Because there's certain

00:22:49.779 --> 00:22:51.980
bands where you can type in and like you like

00:22:51.980 --> 00:22:54.779
house of heroes or like I love this band The

00:22:54.779 --> 00:22:58.039
Last Bison but you type in Last Bison and you

00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:00.400
get just get all these books about like the animal

00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.160
or like The Last Airbender there's some type

00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.940
of like bison creature so it's just digging through

00:23:06.940 --> 00:23:10.279
just hundreds of like weird action figures and

00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.819
be like I'm just looking for a t -shirt or CD

00:23:12.819 --> 00:23:16.680
you can't find Bleach stuff at all you got to

00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:18.849
like really really search hard But all that's

00:23:18.849 --> 00:23:20.609
going to change because they've got to sell merch

00:23:20.609 --> 00:23:23.829
at Furnace Fest. So yeah, it's coming. Yeah,

00:23:23.950 --> 00:23:26.369
we're we're hoping to be bigger than the actual

00:23:26.369 --> 00:23:30.910
bleach brand one day. That's our goal. That's

00:23:30.910 --> 00:23:35.569
why we're coming back. Oh, I think, man, I'd

00:23:35.569 --> 00:23:38.190
probably have to go different from you guys on

00:23:38.190 --> 00:23:41.369
this one and do Project 86. I never was like

00:23:41.369 --> 00:23:43.829
a massive fan, but I did like their second record

00:23:43.829 --> 00:23:49.690
drawing black lines. And so. Yeah, and I had

00:23:49.690 --> 00:23:53.269
the first Skillet record on Forefront, and it

00:23:53.269 --> 00:23:56.210
was very different musically than Skillet Today.

00:23:57.069 --> 00:23:59.089
It is, yeah. I kind of liked that record back

00:23:59.089 --> 00:24:02.529
in the day, but I don't think that Skillet Today

00:24:02.529 --> 00:24:06.170
is my, like, 14th musical. No, no, me neither.

00:24:06.430 --> 00:24:08.289
They're good. They're good at what they do. Neither

00:24:08.289 --> 00:24:12.890
is They're nice guys. That's what you say about

00:24:12.890 --> 00:24:16.029
a band that you don't really like. They're nice

00:24:16.029 --> 00:24:19.210
guys. I love it. All right. Well, let's talk

00:24:19.210 --> 00:24:21.970
real quick. Just about what we've been listening

00:24:21.970 --> 00:24:24.230
to lately, maybe something that you've spent

00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:28.609
some time with. I can start off to give you guys

00:24:28.609 --> 00:24:31.410
a second to maybe think about it. But one of

00:24:31.410 --> 00:24:33.829
the records that I've really enjoyed that's come

00:24:33.829 --> 00:24:39.049
out this year is a new record by Denison Whitmer.

00:24:39.610 --> 00:24:42.230
You know, Dennis and Wimmer? Yeah, that's awesome.

00:24:42.450 --> 00:24:44.269
So he put out a new record called Anything At

00:24:44.269 --> 00:24:47.650
All, and it's on Asthmatic Kitty, which is Sufjan's

00:24:47.650 --> 00:24:51.470
label, and Sufjan Stevens produced it. Wow, that's

00:24:51.470 --> 00:24:54.829
amazing. There is the song, it's called Focus

00:24:54.829 --> 00:24:59.289
Ring, that the title of the record comes from.

00:25:00.349 --> 00:25:03.890
It's a five star song. Like it's just an incredible

00:25:03.890 --> 00:25:06.390
tune. And there's something about his voice that's

00:25:06.390 --> 00:25:10.650
like so soothing and... Like if I just need like

00:25:10.650 --> 00:25:14.890
a minute, um, to sit back and, and have some

00:25:14.890 --> 00:25:17.910
peace, like I'll turn on Denison Whitmer. He

00:25:17.910 --> 00:25:20.450
just takes me into that moment. And so I really,

00:25:20.450 --> 00:25:22.769
really enjoyed that record. It's so good. That's

00:25:22.769 --> 00:25:24.529
awesome. I'm going to have to check that out.

00:25:24.769 --> 00:25:29.809
It's awesome. What about you guys? For me, it's,

00:25:29.910 --> 00:25:32.710
I think it's maybe what I will be listening to,

00:25:32.990 --> 00:25:35.910
but, uh, me and Jordan were walking around, uh,

00:25:35.990 --> 00:25:38.960
this grocery store Lidl last night. and Matt

00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:42.420
Carney comes on and like I love when he randomly

00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:44.740
just pops up and I'm in like a grocery store

00:25:44.740 --> 00:25:48.980
or like wherever and um I was just like man I

00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:51.779
forget how much like I really loved um it was

00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:55.579
a song nothing left to lose and just like I remember

00:25:55.579 --> 00:25:59.180
there's there's like artists or like songs or

00:25:59.180 --> 00:26:02.220
whatever you hear and it like unlocks this whole

00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:05.799
new like area of music and I remember him being

00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:08.970
one of those guys that like He was one of the

00:26:08.970 --> 00:26:10.869
first artists I listened to that just painted

00:26:10.869 --> 00:26:12.950
a picture. It wouldn't just be like we're at

00:26:12.950 --> 00:26:15.390
the park. It would be like we're at the park,

00:26:16.069 --> 00:26:19.190
my girlfriend's wearing this color belt, she's

00:26:19.190 --> 00:26:23.150
wearing these shoes, and I'm reading this book

00:26:23.150 --> 00:26:26.789
or whatever. There was so much detail into painting

00:26:26.789 --> 00:26:31.539
the picture. So I feel like this week... I think

00:26:31.539 --> 00:26:34.220
matt carney is just like a fall artist like I

00:26:34.220 --> 00:26:36.339
think you appreciate him more when it comes to

00:26:36.339 --> 00:26:38.220
the fall Yeah, so i'm really looking forward

00:26:38.220 --> 00:26:40.480
to this week to just really diving back into

00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.059
matt carney That's great. That's awesome. I love

00:26:43.059 --> 00:26:45.660
a good fall artist. Yeah, I feel like denison

00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:48.339
whittmer is that for me or like a tyson montzenbacher

00:26:48.339 --> 00:26:51.480
Yeah, just yeah feeling it. I love it. Yeah.

00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:56.279
I love it um Funny story about matt carney I

00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:59.660
introduced him to his wife. Really? Yeah. Yeah

00:26:59.660 --> 00:27:02.410
his wife Annie was a really good friend of mine

00:27:02.410 --> 00:27:05.049
and and I I was I've been good friends with Matt

00:27:05.049 --> 00:27:07.529
for a long time and we actually were neighbors

00:27:07.529 --> 00:27:11.029
as well when I lived in Nashville and Mm -hmm.

00:27:11.349 --> 00:27:14.490
We were in a store. I think it was air apostle

00:27:14.490 --> 00:27:19.910
or no some you know some store This is in like

00:27:19.910 --> 00:27:31.019
2009 yeah, and And I see Matt, he's shopping,

00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:34.039
I'm shopping, we're talking. And then I'm like,

00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.519
all right, see you later. And I see this girl,

00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.339
my friend, Annie. Uh huh. And I talked to her

00:27:38.339 --> 00:27:40.640
and then I'm like, all right, nice seeing you.

00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:43.660
Then Matt comes over and he's like, hey, who's

00:27:43.660 --> 00:27:47.180
that girl that you're talking to? Like, that's

00:27:47.180 --> 00:27:50.920
Annie. He's like, um, cool. And that's how it

00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:56.279
started. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of crazy. Um, for me,

00:27:56.500 --> 00:27:58.039
have you guys ever heard of the band? They're

00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:01.619
new president. Have you listened to them at all

00:28:01.619 --> 00:28:06.259
haven't it's so good. So we going on like our

00:28:06.259 --> 00:28:09.779
last Episode we were talking about sleep token.

00:28:09.779 --> 00:28:13.880
Mm -hmm being a masked band. Yeah, this is another

00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:17.059
massed So, I don't know maybe there's something

00:28:17.059 --> 00:28:19.799
going on with me and the whole mass thing but

00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:24.900
the singer Wears like a it looks like it almost

00:28:24.900 --> 00:28:27.849
looks like a Reagan Like presidential mask. Yeah.

00:28:27.849 --> 00:28:31.809
Okay. Yeah and But the music is phenomenal and

00:28:31.809 --> 00:28:35.349
it's they're from the UK. Mm -hmm, but they have

00:28:35.349 --> 00:28:38.470
like this weird it's it's very Secular general

00:28:38.470 --> 00:28:41.049
market, but they have this weird spiritual element

00:28:41.049 --> 00:28:43.890
to it. Uh -huh. That's really interesting like

00:28:43.890 --> 00:28:46.309
the first song they put out is called in the

00:28:46.309 --> 00:28:51.009
name of the father and there's a moment where

00:28:51.009 --> 00:28:55.480
They're like It's very heavy, but it's super

00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.660
melodic. But there's a moment in the song where

00:28:58.660 --> 00:29:01.019
he just asks, who is Jesus Christ? He is the

00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:04.319
true lamb of sacrifice or father. And it's like,

00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.420
what? Like, what does that mean? Like, you know,

00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:09.160
if it was a Christian song, I'd be like, okay,

00:29:09.259 --> 00:29:13.000
that's really bold. But this is not a Christian

00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:17.140
band. That's very, very bold. That's so interesting.

00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.740
And yeah, I don't know. So I like digging into

00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:21.480
bands like that, but that's the newest band that

00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.670
I've just kind of been into. They've only released

00:29:23.670 --> 00:29:27.190
four songs. Yeah, um, and I think in the next

00:29:27.190 --> 00:29:28.730
couple weeks, they're supposed to come out with

00:29:28.730 --> 00:29:33.309
like An an ep like six or seven songs. Mm -hmm.

00:29:33.309 --> 00:29:35.750
So they're just kind of releasing song after

00:29:35.750 --> 00:29:37.869
song. That's awesome Yeah, i'll have to check

00:29:37.869 --> 00:29:41.190
that one out All right. Well, let's get into

00:29:41.190 --> 00:29:53.099
our discussion So today we are covering The whole

00:29:53.099 --> 00:29:57.319
EP by Pedro the lion Pedro the lion was formed

00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:02.380
by David Bazan in 1995 and The name of the band

00:30:02.380 --> 00:30:05.660
comes from apparently a character that would

00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:08.660
have been interwoven into the band's first album

00:30:08.660 --> 00:30:13.779
In 1997 they released their debut EP whole with

00:30:13.779 --> 00:30:17.180
Bazan playing pretty much everything on it and

00:30:17.180 --> 00:30:21.240
he continued doing that over The next two full

00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.440
-length albums to just kind of playing pretty

00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:25.220
much everything. It's hard to find a friend and

00:30:25.220 --> 00:30:30.920
winners never quit And it's the only release

00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.380
by Pedro the lion on tooth and oh records is

00:30:34.380 --> 00:30:36.960
it yeah, I didn't know that Yeah, the only one

00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.960
that he ever put out. Also, is it on the cover?

00:30:40.180 --> 00:30:44.900
Is it Pedro the lion? Because there's a line

00:30:44.900 --> 00:30:47.660
on the cover of the hole is Pedro the line. Okay

00:30:47.660 --> 00:30:50.420
on the cover. Yeah Are you asking if that's Pedro?

00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:55.640
Yeah, is that Pedro? I didn't know where you're

00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.599
going with that There's a literal lion on the

00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:00.740
cover of the holy pea. It's the only only time

00:31:00.740 --> 00:31:05.599
Yeah, it's it's uh, it's a lion and The shadow

00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.920
is like grass but it's uh, it's the back of a

00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.220
lion, right? Yeah, it's it's a cool. It's a very

00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:14.299
simple It is it fits the record super earthy

00:31:14.299 --> 00:31:18.690
looking. Yeah cover. Yeah. Yeah So I know that

00:31:18.690 --> 00:31:20.970
we've talked a little bit about it but anything

00:31:20.970 --> 00:31:23.650
before we kind of get in track by track anything

00:31:23.650 --> 00:31:25.670
else that you guys would want to kind of say

00:31:25.670 --> 00:31:27.609
kind of leading into your discussion about this

00:31:27.609 --> 00:31:31.470
one. I think I was telling Joel that I have this

00:31:31.470 --> 00:31:34.529
like I don't know what it's based in but I have

00:31:34.529 --> 00:31:37.789
these rules when it comes to EPs and albums and

00:31:37.789 --> 00:31:39.829
one of the rules I have for an EP is that it

00:31:39.829 --> 00:31:42.690
has to be at least three songs. Some members

00:31:42.690 --> 00:31:44.670
the kid people would be like really see an EP

00:31:44.670 --> 00:31:46.630
and I'd be like, this is a single this is an

00:31:46.630 --> 00:31:50.069
EP And so going into it seeing that there was

00:31:50.069 --> 00:31:52.329
like six songs on it. I was already like, all

00:31:52.329 --> 00:31:54.849
right This already has i'm already excited going

00:31:54.849 --> 00:31:58.710
into this. It's already. Yeah It's already overqualified.

00:31:58.710 --> 00:32:02.569
So like yeah. Yeah, that's good Uh, yeah. No

00:32:02.569 --> 00:32:05.990
for me. It's 20 minutes. Yeah the whole thing.

00:32:06.049 --> 00:32:08.869
Yeah I just going back to what I said before.

00:32:08.869 --> 00:32:14.049
It's just it's the simplicity is everything Within

00:32:14.049 --> 00:32:20.910
itself is just speaks volumes I Can listen to

00:32:20.910 --> 00:32:26.890
it today and Recording has come so far But I

00:32:26.890 --> 00:32:29.670
still love it. Yeah, like I'm not missing. I

00:32:29.670 --> 00:32:32.509
don't want to hear this re -recorded Yeah, you

00:32:32.509 --> 00:32:36.049
know like I want to hear it in its form. Yeah,

00:32:36.049 --> 00:32:39.509
how many albums do I have that I've ever thought

00:32:39.509 --> 00:32:44.079
that like So many older bands that put out, you

00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:47.460
know albums back then in the 90s Yeah, and they'll

00:32:47.460 --> 00:32:49.779
even do like a remastered version and it sounds

00:32:49.779 --> 00:32:52.599
a lot better. Yeah, but now don't don't touch

00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.940
this one It sounds like it's on vinyl. Yeah,

00:32:55.940 --> 00:32:57.700
which is the best way you're that's the best

00:32:57.700 --> 00:33:00.460
form You're gonna hear anything musically. Yeah,

00:33:00.460 --> 00:33:03.240
and I feel like I don't know if that was what

00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.640
they wanted to do maybe But it literally it sounds

00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.059
like you're just even streaming. It sounds like

00:33:09.059 --> 00:33:11.559
you're listening to a vinyl. Yeah And it's really

00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:15.140
cool and I love the whole record is The ep is

00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:18.019
23 minutes and the last like three or four minutes

00:33:18.019 --> 00:33:21.140
is a hymn where it's just musical Yeah, so like

00:33:21.140 --> 00:33:23.640
the the my favorite songs are the first five

00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.019
that are Not to downplay the last one. Yeah,

00:33:27.019 --> 00:33:31.700
the story is 20 minutes, but you're getting like

00:33:31.700 --> 00:33:35.319
Years of someone's story. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah,

00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.960
that's all I'll say. It's really cool. I um,

00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.339
this one took me back to Just as I was listening

00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:44.460
to it again, it made me feel like I was on tour

00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:48.259
with like my band riding in the van That's when

00:33:48.259 --> 00:33:50.640
we were like always introducing each other to

00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.460
music And I remember that this is one that we

00:33:53.460 --> 00:33:57.359
like popped in like all the time Yeah, and it

00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.220
just kind of took me back to like some of those

00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:01.519
thoughts and memories were just fun Yeah place

00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:03.779
to go back to you said it best though. It's it's

00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:05.579
that thing and maybe because it's so short too,

00:34:05.579 --> 00:34:08.150
but Don't just want to listen to the like one

00:34:08.150 --> 00:34:10.630
random song from the EP Yeah, you want to start

00:34:10.630 --> 00:34:13.570
it if one song comes on like and I'm playing

00:34:13.570 --> 00:34:18.989
a mix of my music on Spotify or Apple music.

00:34:19.010 --> 00:34:22.030
Yeah, if I hear like Lola by for instance, I'm

00:34:22.030 --> 00:34:24.829
like I need to go to that EP I'm gonna start

00:34:24.829 --> 00:34:27.010
song one. Yeah, you know, it's like that. Yeah.

00:34:27.130 --> 00:34:29.809
Yeah. I love that All right. Well, let's get

00:34:29.809 --> 00:34:33.050
into it then kind of track by track. So track

00:34:33.050 --> 00:34:39.420
one of the whole EP is entitled Nothing. What

00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:42.940
did you guys think about this one? I felt like

00:34:42.940 --> 00:34:47.460
it was a good opener and it ends up setting the

00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:49.820
tone well for what the rest of the EP is going

00:34:49.820 --> 00:34:54.219
to be and immediately what I thought was that

00:34:54.219 --> 00:34:58.440
I think that this EP would be better live and

00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:01.360
it's not saying the EP is bad but it's like however

00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:06.030
good you think this is think hearing this live

00:35:06.030 --> 00:35:09.969
would be so good and I think that that's something

00:35:09.969 --> 00:35:14.010
that's really hard for like an EP or Just a song

00:35:14.010 --> 00:35:17.389
in general like there's so many bands that I'll

00:35:17.389 --> 00:35:19.590
love I'll love listening to them and then see

00:35:19.590 --> 00:35:22.690
them live and be like Oh, this is this is not

00:35:22.690 --> 00:35:25.309
translate. Well, this is not yeah, like I'm gonna

00:35:25.309 --> 00:35:29.550
go back to the CD So just immediately that stood

00:35:29.550 --> 00:35:32.119
out was that I was like man this is really cool

00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:35.400
knowing that like I don't I don't really know

00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.219
this artist I'm not familiar with this EP but

00:35:38.219 --> 00:35:41.699
like just listening to this like if if Pedro

00:35:41.699 --> 00:35:44.119
was like him going on a tour where we're playing

00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.659
this in its entirety I'd want to buy a ticket

00:35:46.659 --> 00:35:50.340
to it yeah yeah it's cool it's you definitely

00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:52.840
can't accuse this album of being overproduced

00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:58.119
right and so it does feel almost like a live

00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.050
album Yeah, which is kind of a fun thing about

00:36:01.050 --> 00:36:04.869
it. Yeah, so here you're saying Yeah, I thought

00:36:04.869 --> 00:36:08.289
I thought this was it's fun kind of going back

00:36:08.289 --> 00:36:13.590
to the beginning of of this band I I like this

00:36:13.590 --> 00:36:18.230
song there's There's these like doubled vocal

00:36:18.230 --> 00:36:20.849
layered vocals on verse 2 which I think are really

00:36:20.849 --> 00:36:24.070
cool and there's just a lot of room for the melody

00:36:24.070 --> 00:36:28.949
to go places and When he's on the chorus like

00:36:28.949 --> 00:36:32.329
the chorus I love when he hits the word fly and

00:36:32.329 --> 00:36:35.909
it just like yeah Lush is out like in such a

00:36:35.909 --> 00:36:39.929
such an awesome way Yeah, I think it's a really

00:36:39.929 --> 00:36:43.869
it's a cool song Yeah, and yeah, and he does

00:36:43.869 --> 00:36:46.809
the the stick count which I like as a drummer

00:36:46.809 --> 00:36:53.809
like for the breaks he'll do that Yeah, the melody

00:36:53.809 --> 00:36:57.099
is great I do love the Because I think it just

00:36:57.099 --> 00:37:01.239
sets the tone for the whole EP Where it's just

00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.739
talking about other people's philosophies Where

00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:09.079
he's at like he's talking about Your ideals are

00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:12.380
not for me Because you'll tell me what to do,

00:37:12.380 --> 00:37:15.320
but I want to do it my way. I want to fly Yeah,

00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.219
and so it's basically it's a really cool It's

00:37:19.219 --> 00:37:22.699
a cool like beginning of like this is who I am

00:37:22.699 --> 00:37:26.860
and why and You get to learn like well the way

00:37:26.860 --> 00:37:30.480
he wants to fly is to get high, you know Which

00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.780
is damaging but I love that. This is just the

00:37:33.780 --> 00:37:36.199
opening and it's like a greeting. So yeah, this

00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.880
is me. Yeah. Hey You come it's like I came to

00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.159
ask who you are and this is him like, okay. Well,

00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:47.679
this is me And it's before I know The the true

00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:50.179
grit of the story. Yeah, so I think it's done

00:37:50.179 --> 00:37:52.460
very well in that way Yeah, you kind of just

00:37:52.460 --> 00:37:55.590
end up with a guy who's like searching searching

00:37:55.590 --> 00:37:58.789
for himself trying to figure out who he is it

00:37:58.789 --> 00:38:00.730
does and it starts off with like those kind of

00:38:00.730 --> 00:38:03.610
questions yeah you know it's a very kind of every

00:38:03.610 --> 00:38:07.369
man kind of yeah easy to like put yourself in

00:38:07.369 --> 00:38:13.090
in his shoes which is cool yeah yeah next song

00:38:13.090 --> 00:38:20.130
it's fix I think I like that it was short I think

00:38:20.130 --> 00:38:26.769
it's my favorite song yeah it's only I think

00:38:26.769 --> 00:38:31.190
that whenever you're like storytelling like that's

00:38:31.190 --> 00:38:33.769
why like if it's a full -length album it's important

00:38:33.769 --> 00:38:36.329
to have those little interludes and all that

00:38:36.329 --> 00:38:39.329
way it's not just like bam bam bam there's like

00:38:39.329 --> 00:38:43.750
a rest point and I think like what was funny

00:38:43.750 --> 00:38:48.190
is for it to have like this like just really

00:38:48.190 --> 00:38:51.440
like dark like theme and all it was one of my

00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.119
favorite songs off the album because i felt like

00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:55.320
it was just really catchy i was like yeah it

00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.300
is one of those songs that's like it's an awesome

00:38:57.300 --> 00:38:59.900
song and you're like ah man this is really sad

00:38:59.900 --> 00:39:02.500
listening to what's going on in the song yeah

00:39:02.500 --> 00:39:05.519
yeah that's true and david bazan's like a master

00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:09.179
of like telling like a super depressing story

00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:13.340
but like doing some kind of like like poppy happy

00:39:13.340 --> 00:39:17.300
melody as he does it Um that like actually like

00:39:17.300 --> 00:39:21.039
brings more weight like to it than if he was

00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:24.840
just like really like Like crying it out. You

00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:26.739
know what I mean? It's just really interesting

00:39:26.739 --> 00:39:29.780
thing that he's he's able to do and so yeah I

00:39:29.780 --> 00:39:31.800
felt that as I was listening to this too like

00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.159
it's obviously a heavy heavy song looking at

00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:40.730
um looking at drug addiction and Story of a guy

00:39:40.730 --> 00:39:42.650
who's like searching for himself and then this

00:39:42.650 --> 00:39:44.969
is a place that he goes to like try and find

00:39:44.969 --> 00:39:47.949
Like who he is or try and find the answers. Yeah,

00:39:47.949 --> 00:39:50.989
which is a friend of his. Yeah I think that's

00:39:50.989 --> 00:39:53.250
really interesting how he uses that terminology

00:39:53.250 --> 00:39:56.670
to like a friend my friend down on the corner

00:39:56.670 --> 00:39:59.590
Yeah says it's gonna be alright. Yeah, he sells

00:39:59.590 --> 00:40:03.449
me a fix. Yeah, and yeah, so it's really interesting

00:40:03.449 --> 00:40:06.250
like where he goes with that, but I felt like

00:40:06.250 --> 00:40:09.949
this was like a almost a Like the most real journal

00:40:09.949 --> 00:40:12.170
entry he could write. Yeah, because the way it

00:40:12.170 --> 00:40:15.130
starts is Just him saying i'm feeling independent.

00:40:15.130 --> 00:40:17.789
I made it through another day Having a wonderful

00:40:17.789 --> 00:40:19.690
time. I haven't felt the sickness. I think I

00:40:19.690 --> 00:40:22.429
might have scared away like that's just really

00:40:22.429 --> 00:40:26.809
like The everyday struggle. Yeah, and he just

00:40:26.809 --> 00:40:30.150
does a really good job of that picture I don't

00:40:30.150 --> 00:40:34.269
know But he's grasping for something because

00:40:34.269 --> 00:40:36.369
he goes to i'm almost there it's on the tip of

00:40:36.369 --> 00:40:40.619
my tongue It never goes away. It never comes

00:40:40.619 --> 00:40:43.539
to stay and I think he starts talking about the

00:40:43.539 --> 00:40:49.480
high. Yeah And the fight is always there to feel

00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:54.960
that And even says that I won't shoot up tonight

00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.139
But the sensation that's waiting beneath is a

00:40:59.139 --> 00:41:05.019
kick in the teeth that's pretty brutal Yeah that

00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.639
That actually carried into the next track, right?

00:41:07.739 --> 00:41:11.559
Almost there. Yeah. Which is kind of, it's kind

00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:16.239
of giving the dark side of that moment, right?

00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:18.599
Where you're searching for hope in something,

00:41:18.699 --> 00:41:22.780
trying to find answers in this thing. And then,

00:41:22.780 --> 00:41:24.920
yeah, that line about the kicking the teeth,

00:41:25.019 --> 00:41:31.599
man, that hit me pretty hard. Yeah. But. That's

00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:34.599
a cool. It's a cool song. I love the build that

00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.900
happens in it. And obviously this is This is

00:41:37.900 --> 00:41:42.199
the song where? Besan like lets it out. Is this

00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:44.780
yeah. Yeah that towards the end where he's like

00:41:44.780 --> 00:41:46.699
screaming. Yeah. Yeah god That's like one of

00:41:46.699 --> 00:41:50.059
my favorite. Yeah. Oh, it's just moving Yeah,

00:41:50.179 --> 00:41:53.119
and he like hardly ever does that on anything

00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.679
And so like hearing that on this Like, just the

00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.239
passion of being in a place like that and him

00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.719
capturing the feeling of that and the emotion

00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.820
is so, so weighty. It is. Yeah, that's the biggest

00:42:07.820 --> 00:42:10.179
part of this song that I freaking love. Yeah.

00:42:10.179 --> 00:42:14.139
When he does that. Yeah. Yeah. That's, I had

00:42:14.139 --> 00:42:17.320
written down, like, I love a good yell. And so,

00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.059
yeah. It's a good one. I enjoy it. Yeah. I feel

00:42:20.059 --> 00:42:22.320
like when done right, it's, that's awesome in

00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:29.000
a song. Yeah. That's really good. Hole hole gosh,

00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.300
man I will just start off by saying and I'm not

00:42:32.300 --> 00:42:35.699
gonna go but I love the fact that this song is

00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:40.719
whole Like wh yeah, but the first line is a hole

00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:44.820
that big. Yeah, he's talking about H o le yeah,

00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:48.440
I just thought that I have chills like it's brilliant

00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:52.719
and That's kind of where the song goes so good.

00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.369
This is definitely one of my favorites on the

00:42:55.369 --> 00:42:58.750
record, but such an interesting song, right?

00:42:59.110 --> 00:43:04.789
Because it's almost like, well, obviously, this

00:43:04.789 --> 00:43:07.730
is the moment where the character in the story

00:43:07.730 --> 00:43:14.829
is like, he's discovering and seeing this idea

00:43:14.829 --> 00:43:19.489
of Jesus and how there can be grace and forgiveness

00:43:19.489 --> 00:43:23.929
to be found here. But he's wondering, like, can't,

00:43:23.929 --> 00:43:26.880
like... Can it work for me? Yeah. Is it true?

00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:31.699
Yeah. And the whole aspect of the Mr. Fix -It

00:43:31.699 --> 00:43:36.900
man. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Are you real? Can

00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:40.019
it, like you said, can it work for me too? Because

00:43:40.019 --> 00:43:42.900
it's like you even just from that line or those

00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:46.780
lines, he obviously saw someone accept Jesus

00:43:46.780 --> 00:43:49.860
into their heart and it changed them. Yeah. And

00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:55.539
he saw a radical change from someone that came

00:43:55.539 --> 00:44:00.679
from the spirit that ultimately helped change

00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.099
all the other things, the addictions and who

00:44:04.099 --> 00:44:07.099
they were, the things that basically chained

00:44:07.099 --> 00:44:09.880
that person down. And so it is that song where

00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:14.780
he's like, I see it and I see that it's possible,

00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:20.260
but is it possible for me? Yeah, it's just really

00:44:20.260 --> 00:44:26.030
interesting. There's so many but he also taught

00:44:26.030 --> 00:44:31.070
he talks about the whole fixin man They say you

00:44:31.070 --> 00:44:33.650
died on Calvary like he's going he's talking

00:44:33.650 --> 00:44:37.949
about he goes there So there's no like denying

00:44:37.949 --> 00:44:40.269
like are you who you talking about? Yeah, like

00:44:40.269 --> 00:44:43.380
who saved this person? You're like, I think I

00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:44.639
know what he's doing. And then you're like, oh,

00:44:44.699 --> 00:44:47.639
yeah, that's what he said. Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:50.780
And then at the end, he asked, won't you please

00:44:50.780 --> 00:44:53.119
won't you please start by fixing me? Start by

00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.860
fixing me. It's like it's a beautiful question.

00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:58.820
But you said it right. I think that this is a

00:44:58.820 --> 00:45:04.159
really good display of him realizing kind of

00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.440
seeing what a picture of grace, you know, something

00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:13.170
that's not deserved that. This this man this

00:45:13.170 --> 00:45:16.449
thing that died on Calvary for me or this for

00:45:16.449 --> 00:45:20.030
the person that accepted him Has changed him.

00:45:20.230 --> 00:45:22.969
Yeah But he's talking about the death as well.

00:45:22.969 --> 00:45:25.610
That's just talking about grace. Yeah, and but

00:45:25.610 --> 00:45:28.489
I think that this song speaks volumes to Obviously

00:45:28.489 --> 00:45:30.889
this story is drugs, but there's so many different

00:45:30.889 --> 00:45:35.150
things in our lives, right that we're We're holding

00:45:35.150 --> 00:45:40.130
on to and we're asking probably For God to help

00:45:40.130 --> 00:45:43.010
us. Yeah, you saved me from this, you know, we

00:45:43.010 --> 00:45:47.329
have our our void. Yeah and things that we deal

00:45:47.329 --> 00:45:51.570
with so and it's such an interesting like I mean

00:45:51.570 --> 00:45:55.030
it's it's fascinating because it's almost like

00:45:55.030 --> 00:45:59.389
a Like cultural cliche this like God shaped hole

00:45:59.389 --> 00:46:06.110
kind of idea and he puts this song out and it's

00:46:06.110 --> 00:46:09.630
like I feel like this is like the catchiest song

00:46:09.630 --> 00:46:13.130
on the record. And just like a strict kind of

00:46:13.130 --> 00:46:19.710
pop, almost an old school pop song. And so it

00:46:19.710 --> 00:46:22.909
doesn't feel like, when you're listening to it,

00:46:23.070 --> 00:46:28.150
it doesn't come off as weighty. No, you're right.

00:46:28.329 --> 00:46:31.210
It goes back to how Dave Bazan will write a song.

00:46:31.210 --> 00:46:34.469
Yeah, right. But then I feel like when he gets

00:46:34.469 --> 00:46:37.869
to the end, Um, and he like draws the really

00:46:37.869 --> 00:46:40.570
clear lines then all of a sudden like the whole

00:46:40.570 --> 00:46:43.489
song just like hits, you know what I mean? Where

00:46:43.489 --> 00:46:46.750
it's like you're like, oh, this is a nice happy

00:46:46.750 --> 00:46:50.130
pop song. There's hope there's grace there's

00:46:50.130 --> 00:46:53.349
peace and then all of a sudden like It hits in

00:46:53.349 --> 00:46:55.650
this moment where it's really clear like who

00:46:55.650 --> 00:46:58.429
he's talking about and the song just like lands

00:46:58.429 --> 00:47:01.610
in a really cool Um way, I don't know how to

00:47:01.610 --> 00:47:05.090
write a song like that, but Me neither. Yeah

00:47:05.449 --> 00:47:09.449
Yeah. Yeah. It's a really good one. It is. Yeah.

00:47:12.610 --> 00:47:18.070
All right. Lullaby. Lullaby number five. This

00:47:18.070 --> 00:47:21.989
is the one song for me. I will go and listen

00:47:21.989 --> 00:47:27.889
to by itself. And I can. This is one of those

00:47:27.889 --> 00:47:32.590
songs I can remember going back to. I don't even

00:47:32.590 --> 00:47:43.199
know how many I'm talking. 20 plus years And

00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:47.360
there's probably been Maybe ten times in my life

00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.239
like different years of me going through struggles

00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:54.039
You know like different things and I'll go to

00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:57.199
the song and the reason is that moment where

00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.139
he says Rest in me little David and dry all your

00:48:00.139 --> 00:48:02.659
tears like yeah where he just breaks down and

00:48:02.659 --> 00:48:06.960
says Davey Oh Davey like You can lay down your

00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.920
armor and have no fear. I mean, come on. Yeah,

00:48:10.300 --> 00:48:12.579
that's like I feel like God has spoken to me

00:48:12.579 --> 00:48:17.579
in those Moments where I needed to hear the simplicity

00:48:17.579 --> 00:48:20.780
of that Scripture is awesome. Don't get me wrong

00:48:20.780 --> 00:48:24.900
but when you come at it through music and such

00:48:24.900 --> 00:48:31.360
a simple way of just saying He says I what I

00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:36.429
hear him say is rest in me And he says little

00:48:36.429 --> 00:48:39.030
David dry all your tears. You can lay down your

00:48:39.030 --> 00:48:42.289
armor and have no fear because I am Always here

00:48:42.289 --> 00:48:45.829
when you're tired of running And I'm all the

00:48:45.829 --> 00:48:50.170
strength that you need. I mean come on And then

00:48:50.170 --> 00:48:54.869
he at the very end what's the he says I Love

00:48:54.869 --> 00:48:57.730
the tag. He has you know, I want to be like Jesus

00:48:57.730 --> 00:49:01.750
But it seems so far very far away. Yeah, when

00:49:01.750 --> 00:49:09.480
will I learn to obey? obey So good. It's so good.

00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:14.900
And it it's one of those like rare songs where

00:49:14.900 --> 00:49:22.659
it's it's like the father singing over us, reminding

00:49:22.659 --> 00:49:28.559
us of just his love and what's true and what

00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.519
we need to like focus on and rest in. And I feel

00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:38.179
like so So much of Christian music is like just

00:49:38.179 --> 00:49:42.579
kind of like didactic and Here's what you need

00:49:42.579 --> 00:49:45.760
to like here's what you need to do and here's

00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:50.400
how you need to live this out and We don't do

00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.179
a great job of just like Letting the love of

00:49:54.179 --> 00:49:57.980
God like wash over us and in moments and I feel

00:49:57.980 --> 00:50:00.920
like the song just captures that so well and

00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:03.260
I love that it's called lullaby because like

00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:08.079
You said it earlier, like when you're going through

00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:11.019
these moments in your life where you've walked

00:50:11.019 --> 00:50:14.219
through some moments of struggle, like this is

00:50:14.219 --> 00:50:17.840
a song that you'll turn on. And it's like a song

00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:21.300
that a dad would sing to a kid who is scared

00:50:21.300 --> 00:50:24.820
or afraid. And this is like a song that our father

00:50:24.820 --> 00:50:30.159
sings over us when we're afraid, when we're fearful,

00:50:30.260 --> 00:50:35.190
when we're anxious. Yeah, I love love this song

00:50:35.190 --> 00:50:38.889
so much. Yeah, it's really beautiful this song

00:50:38.889 --> 00:50:43.030
No, but intended like kind of shows as a whole

00:50:43.030 --> 00:50:46.730
what this like EP does is like it just feels

00:50:46.730 --> 00:50:49.369
real Yeah, I got you guys have kind of touched

00:50:49.369 --> 00:50:51.909
on it that like sometimes when you're dealing

00:50:51.909 --> 00:50:56.050
with like Like a Christian album trying to tell

00:50:56.050 --> 00:50:59.269
a story. It's like how can we Hollywood this

00:50:59.269 --> 00:51:01.150
up? Like I remember watching Christian movies

00:51:01.150 --> 00:51:04.130
growing up I mean like I don't relate to these

00:51:04.130 --> 00:51:07.469
people at all because it's like yeah, even like

00:51:07.469 --> 00:51:12.170
the worst person in there It's like they sometimes

00:51:12.170 --> 00:51:15.269
like back talk their mom like that's that's like

00:51:15.269 --> 00:51:19.050
the villain, you know the movie and um, I feel

00:51:19.050 --> 00:51:23.469
like listening to this it's like It starts complimenting

00:51:23.469 --> 00:51:25.889
the whole album where it's like we're talking

00:51:25.889 --> 00:51:29.690
about like track two is this really Pet be like

00:51:29.690 --> 00:51:32.010
things are gonna be okay, but good I'm going

00:51:32.010 --> 00:51:34.309
to like my drug dealer, you know to like yeah

00:51:34.309 --> 00:51:37.690
like it's gonna be good and I think that this

00:51:37.690 --> 00:51:42.190
and whole it just feels like sincere like none

00:51:42.190 --> 00:51:45.809
of this feels like It's someone who was like,

00:51:46.030 --> 00:51:48.550
oh, I see you put out an EP or someone's like

00:51:48.550 --> 00:51:53.489
put out like a Christian, you know EP and I feel

00:51:53.489 --> 00:51:58.659
like just lately with like stuff going on It's

00:51:58.659 --> 00:52:00.460
made me think about like that's the thing about

00:52:00.460 --> 00:52:03.199
Christianity is that it's all the stuff that

00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:07.019
like Doesn't make sense that makes it like amazing.

00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.500
Like yeah the stuff that we start like whitewashing

00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:14.000
like I You know, I go on and on but like I think

00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.519
about like Christmas time about nativities. It's

00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:19.360
always this clean like hey And I was telling

00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:21.820
my wife Jordan I'm like thinking about how much

00:52:21.820 --> 00:52:24.679
like a farm smells or like if you were like working

00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.260
in a farm all day How bad you would like smell

00:52:27.260 --> 00:52:31.519
and all? and how like we we forget how that's

00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.079
just like crazy that that's where he came into

00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.960
the world and I feel like EPs like this it's

00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:42.019
like if I knew someone who like wasn't like a

00:52:42.019 --> 00:52:44.219
Christian and was struggling this is something

00:52:44.219 --> 00:52:47.420
you can hand to them versus like it's kind of

00:52:47.420 --> 00:52:50.380
hard to tell them to go listen to like maybe

00:52:50.380 --> 00:52:53.960
what's like the most popular Christmas like Christmas

00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:56.699
but Christmas at Christian album. Yeah, I'm making

00:52:56.699 --> 00:53:03.699
up words now Christian must Yeah, yeah Yeah,

00:53:03.699 --> 00:53:12.599
this one It's it's so good and I I do like I

00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.400
Feel like it's a beautiful like rap sort of to

00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:17.340
the record even though there's the next track.

00:53:17.619 --> 00:53:21.579
Yeah Which is interesting. Yeah, so what what?

00:53:21.579 --> 00:53:23.659
Let's talk about that one. Yeah, yeah. Track

00:53:23.659 --> 00:53:27.219
six, him this instrumental. What do you what

00:53:27.219 --> 00:53:29.739
is this? Where is he going with it? I don't know.

00:53:29.860 --> 00:53:32.039
I I've always thought it was interesting. Yeah.

00:53:32.059 --> 00:53:34.960
And I'll be honest, I I don't listen to it half

00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.800
the time. Yeah. It's I think it's good. Yeah.

00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:41.039
But when I go to this record, it's for the other

00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:45.860
songs. But I do I like how he did it. I think

00:53:45.860 --> 00:53:48.599
that he felt like it was needed to complete.

00:53:49.329 --> 00:53:52.929
The EP and what he's trying to say. Yeah to the

00:53:52.929 --> 00:53:56.730
story. I will say music is all -encompassing

00:53:56.730 --> 00:54:00.130
like I Just had this conversation with a friend

00:54:00.130 --> 00:54:03.710
yesterday We I was showing someone cigarettes

00:54:03.710 --> 00:54:07.670
that has never listened to them. Yeah, and I'm

00:54:07.670 --> 00:54:11.090
like Telling him the story. This is my favorite

00:54:11.090 --> 00:54:14.489
show I've ever seen in my life. I've never cried

00:54:14.489 --> 00:54:19.639
during a show I cried during see or see Rose

00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.480
at the Ryman in Nashville and he's like well

00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:24.559
What are they saying and I'm like your guess

00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:28.860
is as good as mine But it's very spiritual like

00:54:28.860 --> 00:54:32.099
and it's amazing how transcending music is and

00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:35.500
how we can connect to just music Yeah, or melody

00:54:35.500 --> 00:54:38.480
and these guys are probably see gross probably

00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.059
singing about fairies and stuff like flying around

00:54:41.059 --> 00:54:45.719
in Iceland. I don't know But it's still powerful.

00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:48.519
Yeah the way that they can write and create their

00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:52.219
songs and the melodies of it There's a connection

00:54:52.219 --> 00:54:54.800
there. Yeah, and so I feel like there's some

00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:58.739
special connection to Dave Bazan with this Him

00:54:58.739 --> 00:55:03.400
yeah, you know and a hem doesn't have to be a

00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:09.139
Hem from 1787 yeah, you know, so I think it's

00:55:09.139 --> 00:55:12.340
cool. It's like you wrote a fresh one Yeah, I

00:55:12.340 --> 00:55:14.659
like the like just slow build up over the course

00:55:14.659 --> 00:55:18.539
of it But like you I feel like I I probably don't

00:55:18.539 --> 00:55:22.500
listen to it every time I don't think it's like

00:55:22.500 --> 00:55:25.760
necessary for the EP But I don't know if maybe

00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:28.599
to tonight was like we need six. Oh, yeah. No.

00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:33.179
Yes, but I don't know I was wondering So going

00:55:33.179 --> 00:55:35.940
back to I said the beginning about like I bet

00:55:35.940 --> 00:55:39.110
this would be amazing hearing it live Do you

00:55:39.110 --> 00:55:42.690
think that if you heard this live, the instrumental

00:55:42.690 --> 00:55:49.630
hits more? That you have this lullaby being there?

00:55:50.010 --> 00:55:52.369
Because I think that's... I was kind of in the

00:55:52.369 --> 00:55:55.010
same boat that I was like, all right, where's

00:55:55.010 --> 00:55:57.010
the lyrics? This is pretty long just to have

00:55:57.010 --> 00:55:59.769
an instrumental. But then when I started thinking

00:55:59.769 --> 00:56:02.250
about it from a live perspective, I was like,

00:56:02.409 --> 00:56:06.210
man, sometimes it's cool when a band just starts...

00:56:06.010 --> 00:56:07.710
Playing and you're like, I don't know where this

00:56:07.710 --> 00:56:10.130
is going. But yeah, no, that's a good point.

00:56:10.130 --> 00:56:14.690
I think it would be Way different live. Yeah.

00:56:14.929 --> 00:56:17.329
Yeah, I would make a lot more sense I would have

00:56:17.329 --> 00:56:20.389
loved to have seen like this one performed kind

00:56:20.389 --> 00:56:24.030
of from start to finish. Yeah And that's my whole

00:56:24.030 --> 00:56:25.389
thing too, man. I don't know what you guys think

00:56:25.389 --> 00:56:28.550
about that but You know like seeing where he's

00:56:28.550 --> 00:56:32.150
he's gone with what he believes You know and

00:56:32.150 --> 00:56:34.250
we can hear it through a lot of his music because

00:56:34.250 --> 00:56:38.840
he still creates How can you go from writing?

00:56:39.440 --> 00:56:41.880
Songs like this. They're so simple and powerful

00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:44.820
Yeah, and then you're changing your beliefs that

00:56:44.820 --> 00:56:47.139
to me because I know so many musicians that go

00:56:47.139 --> 00:56:51.260
through it I have a couple in my head right now

00:56:51.260 --> 00:56:56.800
that have written Extremely powerful songs. Yeah,

00:56:57.019 --> 00:57:00.360
you know that are very Christian you know talking

00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:03.139
about Jesus Christ and and things that are just

00:57:03.139 --> 00:57:08.159
very powerful to somehow they just don't identify

00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:11.579
with that anymore. It's like, how, how? Because

00:57:11.579 --> 00:57:14.260
you, you, when you write a song like this, where

00:57:14.260 --> 00:57:18.039
that comes from something inside of you. Yeah.

00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.519
So it's just really, I've always wondered like,

00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:24.840
well, how does that work? Yeah. I feel like for

00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:28.320
Bazan for me, I wonder that too, because when

00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:33.880
I listened to like this EP, um, there's just,

00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:38.139
so much, like, authenticity and realness and

00:57:38.139 --> 00:57:41.239
genuineness to it that I don't think is, like,

00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:44.719
easy to, like, fake. I don't think this is, like,

00:57:44.980 --> 00:57:48.380
a JPM. Like, how many times can we mention Jesus

00:57:48.380 --> 00:57:50.820
on a record so that it can get released in Christian

00:57:50.820 --> 00:57:52.280
bookstores? Definitely not. Like, it doesn't

00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:56.980
feel that way. It feels grounded in a real way.

00:57:57.579 --> 00:58:01.869
And two, I would say, like, off of... a later

00:58:01.869 --> 00:58:05.289
record when he covers Be Thou My Vision. Yeah,

00:58:05.309 --> 00:58:07.829
it's still like my favorite version of that song.

00:58:08.750 --> 00:58:14.530
And I like when I hear him sing it, it's like

00:58:14.530 --> 00:58:19.469
there's belief there. It's it's not just. Yeah,

00:58:19.570 --> 00:58:22.489
so he doesn't have a reason to play or write

00:58:22.489 --> 00:58:25.190
songs like that anyways. Yeah. You know, unless

00:58:25.190 --> 00:58:27.369
it was something that he believed and like, yeah,

00:58:27.429 --> 00:58:30.510
at that stage when he probably was starting to

00:58:30.510 --> 00:58:35.579
like. question things to include a song like

00:58:35.579 --> 00:58:39.480
Beat on My Vision, an old, old, old hymn. But

00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:41.039
you know what's fascinating about that is that,

00:58:41.059 --> 00:58:44.039
I know we're not covering that record. No, we

00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:46.860
talked about it a lot, just from this. That song

00:58:46.860 --> 00:58:54.019
is like, it's a prayer to God just to like, I

00:58:54.019 --> 00:58:57.699
wanna see things. the way that you see things.

00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.280
I want you to be like the lens and the filter

00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:05.699
of my life. And so I feel like in a lot of ways

00:59:05.699 --> 00:59:09.860
that song is like a it's like a desperate like

00:59:09.860 --> 00:59:14.079
prayer maybe in the midst of questioning and

00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:18.380
struggling of just like God make it like simple

00:59:18.380 --> 00:59:21.519
for me again. Let me see things the way that

00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:24.820
I've seen things in the past. and i don't i don't

00:59:24.820 --> 00:59:27.679
know maybe if maybe that's why he wanted to include

00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:32.039
that or do that but um yeah i struggle with that

00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:37.500
too and i i wonder but it just makes me believe

00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:42.719
um and i i'm not like super caught up on on his

00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:45.780
story and where he is now yeah um but i think

00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:49.300
that i think from what i know like he's a little

00:59:49.300 --> 00:59:53.099
softer now than he has been in the past and so

00:59:54.260 --> 00:59:57.800
I like to think and hope that there was always

00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:02.619
like some belief carrying on underneath All the

01:00:02.619 --> 01:00:04.900
questioning. Yeah. I mean you got to think that

01:00:04.900 --> 01:00:10.800
the seed is there. Yeah Yeah for sure Yeah so

01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:14.599
It's an interesting thing but but I think that

01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:18.059
this it's so it's cool going back and revisiting

01:00:18.059 --> 01:00:23.039
like this first This first album by Pedro the

01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.460
lion and getting like a sense of of really where

01:00:26.460 --> 01:00:29.880
he was In this moment and feeling kind of the

01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:34.159
just the realness of it all The fun thing about

01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:37.440
him is Whether you agree with him or not if you

01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.639
go on a journey through his records like it never

01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:43.440
stops being real and authentic, right? Yeah His

01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.679
wrestling is always like very grounded and you

01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:48.619
know, and so that's one thing that I appreciate

01:00:48.619 --> 01:00:53.610
about him. Yeah um along the way um but um but

01:00:53.610 --> 01:00:57.210
yeah i just i keep hoping and praying that that

01:00:57.210 --> 01:01:00.610
that like seed of faith that's there like will

01:01:00.610 --> 01:01:03.250
spring again because i'd love to hear i'd love

01:01:03.250 --> 01:01:07.010
to hear him sing songs like this again yeah yeah

01:01:07.010 --> 01:01:11.969
yeah that's good all right so here's the hard

01:01:11.969 --> 01:01:15.590
part um let's kind of look at this one and think

01:01:15.590 --> 01:01:19.460
uh what's our rating for this record What do

01:01:19.460 --> 01:01:22.860
we want to give it? I mentioned plot twist Jared's

01:01:22.860 --> 01:01:25.019
like, I give it a one. It's actually not that

01:01:25.019 --> 01:01:29.320
good. Yeah, I just wanted to see what you guys

01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:31.420
thought about it. But yeah, it's a one for me.

01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:38.340
I mean, I'll go. I immediately go to something

01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:41.280
around four. Yeah, like I can't give it a five.

01:01:42.139 --> 01:01:45.280
Yeah. And I don't I don't know. I'd have to really

01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.719
think about an album. I would give a five. I'm

01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:51.280
sure it's out there, but Yeah, the simplicity

01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:54.159
is great. I think it was planned. I think it

01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:57.820
was what he wanted I also I think there's an

01:01:57.820 --> 01:02:00.699
element that it wasn't this is his first recording

01:02:00.699 --> 01:02:04.500
that he did and it was on tooth and nail and

01:02:04.500 --> 01:02:07.519
Maybe there's an element of he's still trying

01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:12.619
to figure out What he's doing? Yeah, and but

01:02:12.619 --> 01:02:17.159
that's awesome. I mean I Brought up this record

01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:21.239
for a reason, it's very special to me. But I

01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:28.139
think four is a very strong high score. That's

01:02:28.139 --> 01:02:32.800
great. I think I'm close to you. I tend to try

01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:38.860
and be real with myself and rate each song and

01:02:38.860 --> 01:02:41.320
then actually do an average to see where it ends

01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:42.940
up because I feel like it helps me be a little

01:02:42.940 --> 01:02:45.139
more honest about how I really feel about an

01:02:45.139 --> 01:02:48.480
album. And so I think this one for me ended up

01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:51.840
like around a like a 3 .7. So it's like close

01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:56.840
close to a four and all that. So yeah, I love

01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:01.000
it. I love it. I still remember like lullaby

01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:02.619
was one of those songs that when I would pick

01:03:02.619 --> 01:03:04.320
up a guitar like that's one of the first things

01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:07.719
I would start playing. That's cool. And yeah,

01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:10.039
it's definitely got a place a place in my heart.

01:03:10.420 --> 01:03:15.809
So I love it. Yeah. Yeah, I think for me. I think

01:03:15.809 --> 01:03:21.690
that Petro's an artist that it it hurts whenever

01:03:21.690 --> 01:03:26.909
you don't You don't like know their whole catalog

01:03:26.909 --> 01:03:28.889
because I feel like the more you know about them

01:03:28.889 --> 01:03:32.369
the more you would appreciate the EP Yeah So

01:03:32.369 --> 01:03:35.769
I feel like for me, it's it like falls to like

01:03:35.769 --> 01:03:38.869
a three because it's just judging it on its own

01:03:38.869 --> 01:03:42.639
but it's like I There's definitely probably half

01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:45.280
these songs that I'm adding to like my like weekly

01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:47.619
playlist I listen to you know So to me that's

01:03:47.619 --> 01:03:50.039
always a good mark is that when afterwards it's

01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:53.099
like I want to know more about this That's good,

01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:58.179
man. I was expecting like a 1 .5 No, I I was

01:03:58.179 --> 01:04:00.820
telling Joel that like going into it You never

01:04:00.820 --> 01:04:03.619
know if it's gonna be like okay. How do I say

01:04:03.619 --> 01:04:07.420
it's a one, but it's not that bad but to me like

01:04:07.420 --> 01:04:11.019
I I'm way more of a lyric person than a music

01:04:11.019 --> 01:04:14.539
person. Yeah, so like it not being produced like

01:04:14.539 --> 01:04:16.719
there's not a part of me that's like, oh this

01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:20.119
hinders it because I Yeah, I love that when I

01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:24.780
sat down to listen to it I was like I was in

01:04:24.780 --> 01:04:27.400
the car and I had to pause it and I was like,

01:04:27.460 --> 01:04:29.840
no I can't This isn't something you just listen

01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:32.840
to while you're driving. I need to get home Sit

01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:35.360
down and look at the lyrics. Yeah. Yeah and like

01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:39.449
I love that that's like like be without you would

01:04:39.449 --> 01:04:41.889
release something it was the same way it was

01:04:41.889 --> 01:04:45.889
like no i need to sit down and word by word it's

01:04:45.889 --> 01:04:47.510
trying to figure out like all right let me piece

01:04:47.510 --> 01:04:49.570
together what aaron's saying i really need to

01:04:49.570 --> 01:04:51.989
do that when i listen to them yeah and so i feel

01:04:51.989 --> 01:04:55.289
like with Pedro like even when i saw him live

01:04:55.289 --> 01:04:58.210
i felt like they were very similar and so going

01:04:58.210 --> 01:05:00.989
into it like there was a fear that i was like

01:05:00.989 --> 01:05:04.079
maybe this is gonna be bad but I was pretty happy

01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:07.079
because like I said it's six songs on EP so you

01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:09.599
already get bonus points for that and then like

01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.619
having to kind of like dive into the lyrics like

01:05:12.619 --> 01:05:15.500
There you go. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool.

01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:20.320
Well, this has been fun to dig into We do before

01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.400
we finish talking about it want to talk a little

01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:36.230
bit about the lyric of the week So the lyric

01:05:36.230 --> 01:05:40.670
of the week this week comes from the song Lullaby

01:05:40.670 --> 01:05:44.010
Off the Holy Pea. And it's that tagline at the

01:05:44.010 --> 01:05:47.510
end that you mentioned earlier, Jared, you know

01:05:47.510 --> 01:05:50.010
I want to be like Jesus but it seems so very

01:05:50.010 --> 01:05:56.190
far away. When will I learn to obey? Obey. I

01:05:56.190 --> 01:05:59.110
just love the realness of... of that and where

01:05:59.110 --> 01:06:02.769
he is in the moment um because I do I feel like

01:06:02.769 --> 01:06:06.170
that's where I am most days you know right um

01:06:06.170 --> 01:06:11.789
I want my life to to like be a picture of the

01:06:11.789 --> 01:06:15.389
love of God for people but um but I know myself

01:06:15.389 --> 01:06:18.369
really well and I know my my own faults and my

01:06:18.369 --> 01:06:23.389
own shortcomings and so um so it does seem far

01:06:23.389 --> 01:06:27.579
away but um But I just love that I feel like

01:06:27.579 --> 01:06:31.360
that that section of lyric is kind of the like

01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:34.500
that's true of all of us. No matter where we

01:06:34.500 --> 01:06:39.960
are as believers, we're not there. But it's so

01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:42.739
cool that we've got. There's something so childish,

01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:45.840
too, of him actually. And I mean this in like

01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:48.820
a wholehearted, a beautiful way where he actually

01:06:48.820 --> 01:06:52.940
says Jesus. Yeah. And the way he says Jesus like.

01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:58.239
I just love it. It's just beautiful. When somebody

01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:01.820
like that mentions the name of Jesus in the song,

01:07:02.139 --> 01:07:08.260
it's special. Yeah, it is. And it is a big weighty

01:07:08.260 --> 01:07:14.460
thing. I remember when we recorded our record,

01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:21.400
we had one song with... the name of Jesus. And

01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:22.940
I remember our producer, we were recording with

01:07:22.940 --> 01:07:26.559
Matt Goldman in Atlanta. Love that guy. And,

01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:29.679
and Matt like knew it was coming and he just

01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:32.460
like stopped the session and was like, if we're

01:07:32.460 --> 01:07:35.179
going to like put Jesus on tape, then we need

01:07:35.179 --> 01:07:38.940
to pray. And it was a really special. That's

01:07:38.940 --> 01:07:41.659
really cool. Really special moment. And it feels

01:07:41.659 --> 01:07:43.840
like that when you listen to this song, right?

01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:48.179
Yeah. So that's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. All

01:07:48.179 --> 01:07:50.840
right, well, this has been really fun digging

01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:55.860
into the whole EP And Jared again, we're super

01:07:55.860 --> 01:07:57.920
thankful that you took the time to come and hang

01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:00.340
out with us and bring this We'd love to have

01:08:00.340 --> 01:08:02.019
you back in the future. Maybe we can bring your

01:08:02.019 --> 01:08:04.619
brother your brother mile him along. Yeah, next

01:08:04.619 --> 01:08:07.980
time which would be really fun. So He's a wealth

01:08:07.980 --> 01:08:11.659
of knowledge He could go into depth about everything.

01:08:11.659 --> 01:08:14.639
I definitely believe it. That's awesome. Yeah,

01:08:14.739 --> 01:08:17.500
is there like A place where people can connect

01:08:17.500 --> 01:08:21.659
with you like online or Yeah, I mean probably

01:08:21.659 --> 01:08:24.539
instagram or facebook is the best way. Um, you

01:08:24.539 --> 01:08:29.199
can you could do My personal instagram or facebook

01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:33.100
is just my name jared ryan byers Or bleachers

01:08:33.100 --> 01:08:37.460
alive. Yeah We all kind of check that stuff out

01:08:37.460 --> 01:08:41.819
on the daily So if you want to hit me up Go for

01:08:41.819 --> 01:08:44.399
it. I'd love to talk to you And you can find

01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:51.180
us on X at Harry Pod on Facebook and maybe other

01:08:51.180 --> 01:08:53.560
places in the future, who knows. But definitely

01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:56.420
we'd love to have you subscribe to the podcast

01:08:56.420 --> 01:09:00.739
and like it, share it, leave a review, whatever

01:09:00.739 --> 01:09:03.960
you feel like you want to do. But we're thankful

01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:07.159
that you guys are continuing to join us and listen.

01:09:07.619 --> 01:09:10.239
And this has been such a fun week just getting

01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:12.939
to hang out with Jared. And so I'm thankful again.

01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:16.039
for him and thankful for you guys for joining

01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:17.300
us with this.