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Hey guys, and welcome back to the Salt Not Sweetener

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podcast. I'm your host, Danielle Townsend, and

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I hope that you guys have had a very Merry Christmas.

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That is my hope. I know that might not always

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be a reality. I think the reality of holiday

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situations from personal experience as well as

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almost everybody I've communicated with in life.

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A common factor with the holiday season seems

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to be that's the time when you get together with

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people that you don't usually see throughout

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the year, right? It's almost like a reunion time.

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That's that time when, you know, you normally

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aren't with these people, but this is your opportunity

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to see these people. Some of the people you're

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excited to see because maybe distance or things

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like that, you're not able to see them. And some

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of the people, maybe you're not very excited

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to see. Maybe there's a reason why you don't

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see them. the rest of the year. Maybe there's

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a reason why there is that distance. And something

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that seems to happen at a lot of holidays can

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be dysfunction and a lack of peace. And that's

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the direction I feel led to go in today, y 'all.

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I don't know exactly what is going to come out

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of this episode. But there is some scripture

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that the Lord has called me to meditate on the

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past week, which is Romans 12, 18. If possible,

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so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with

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all. And as I'm progressing throughout the week,

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I'm seeing more how that isn't just a scripture

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for me, but that is a word for whoever it is

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listening to this episode. And that's what we're

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going to kind of pick at today. As you're pursuing

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your relationship with Jesus, how do you, so

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far as it depends on you, live peaceably with

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all? I want to start with sharing some personal

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testimony with y 'all. I'm speaking to y 'all

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as a former people pleaser to the core. And I

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didn't even realize how deep of a people pleaser

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I was. And when I've been kind of tracing it

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back, I think where it rooted for me, and I believe

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this roots for a lot of people and they don't

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see it in their own lives, is as a child, I developed

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this idea that I could control the responses

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and the reactions of people around me. Primarily

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adults, right? I had adults around me that sometimes

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their emotional responses or reactions were pretty

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intense. And sometimes they feel triggered by

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something so small. And I started to develop

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in my head that maybe if I was just very thoughtful

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and very mindful of my steps that they see. I

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can avoid these big reactions. I can avoid the

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anger. I can avoid the upset. I can avoid the

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hurt. I can avoid the pain. Now I want to be

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very, very, very clear because I've shared this

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in past episodes that I had a lot of self -destructive

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behaviors, like as a child, as an adult, as a

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young adult, as a teenager with the partying,

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the drinking, the smoking, I was really kind

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of destroying myself as a way to disconnect or

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release. I feel like the adults around me only

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knew like a tenth of that, right? Like they didn't

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see all the depth of it. And I had developed

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a response that I called speak when spoken to.

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And I had learned with a lot of the adults around

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me that I would only speak to them if they spoke

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to me first. I wouldn't go out of my way to start

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interactions. I wouldn't go out of my way to

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start conversations. And I also learned to respond

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with a yes or no behavior, right? Like where

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I would just try to be very vague and very quiet.

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I wouldn't ask a lot of questions. I wouldn't

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give a lot of detail because I had learned that.

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in my experience it was random details that someone

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would get upset over or it was random details

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that would set someone off or it was something

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that most people like wouldn't think twice about

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that a person would get really angry or upset

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so I had learned like if I want to limit that

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to the the most I like the most possible limit

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I'll just water myself down and be very bland

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and be very quiet. And I learned I'll just make

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myself completely uninteresting to this person.

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And it worked for the most part. But then sometimes

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they would actually get upset at me for being

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too bland or not being excited or not being happy

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or not being any of this. And I didn't pick up

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on it back then, but it was something that the

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Lord has revealed to me now of even in that time.

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when I did everything possible to not frustrate

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or upset someone, that would frustrate or upset.

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And I hadn't realized that throughout my life,

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I was carrying this weight and I was believing

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this lie from the enemy because the enemy is

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the deceiver. I was believing this lie that I

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could control the emotions, the responses, and

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the reactions of people around me based off of

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how I responded, based off of how I reacted.

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And I remember when I gave my life to Jesus and

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there was like this every day. I was reading

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scripture for like over 12 hours a day and journaling

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and reflecting. The Lord was taking me through

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heavy pruning seasons. And one of the big things

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the Lord had to address with me was my people

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-pleasing behavior. That if you all have been

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here with me for a while, you know when I got

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into New Age spirituality, New Age is like the

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people -pleasing of people -pleasing where it's

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your belief is your belief. You know, like it's

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kind of saying all religions are right and all

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beliefs are right and they all mesh together

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and like we all go to the same place. And it's

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like this weird where you just are constantly

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condoning sin and condoning all these things.

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And I had gotten so enmeshed in that and used

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to that. And when I started being strengthened

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in my faith, I started recognizing, wow, the

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Lord is going to call me. to speak the gospel

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to other people the Lord is going to call me

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to ministry like and that requires me saying

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that Jesus Christ is the way the truth of life

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I started realizing I was like I'm gonna have

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to stand on truths that are gonna make other

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people uncomfortable they're gonna make other

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people frustrated they're gonna make other people

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angry started realizing I was like just being

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a Christian and saying that Jesus Christ is the

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way the truth of life is going to be found offensive

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by a lot of people and that was a heavy weight

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for me that was a source of stress and anxiety

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at first and the lord took me through a process

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of breaking that down and one of the big things

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that he had revealed to me is that i cannot control

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the way that other people respond or react and

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when you truly start to believe that like Not

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just hearing it, but when you truly start to

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believe that in your heart of no matter what

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I do, no matter what I say, people are going

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to respond how they're going to respond. That

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was a freedom I started walking in that I didn't

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know existed. I hadn't realized how many times

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just what I posted on social media, the way I

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worded something, the outfit I wore, anything

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I did. There was a part of me that was taking

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into account how are other people going to receive

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this? How are other people going to respond?

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There was a time in my life when I would have

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a post and I would like think it through for

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an hour of all the possible ways I could word

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it and the ways that the wording could go wrong

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and the way it could be misinterpreted. Y 'all,

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there was a long period of time where God really

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couldn't use me to spread the gospel because

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I was so fearful over how other people would

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respond. That like being in that constant state

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of fear, I wasn't prepared to answer questions.

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I wasn't prepared to, you know, go in depth.

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I wasn't prepared to be rooted in faith and stand

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in my faith and testify. People pleasing, I hadn't

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realized that people pleasing idea and that belief

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that I could control the other people around

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me was really hurting my ability to be used by

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God. And the ways that he wanted to use me. And

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this was the part of Romans that I immediately

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caught my eye when I was reading it this week

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was, if possible, so far as it depends on you.

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You know, in this, the command that we're being

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given isn't try to force other people's hand

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and try to control how other people create peace

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and try to control what other people do. Because

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I felt really convicted, y 'all. There have been

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recent times when I have, in all honesty, overexerted

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myself in some areas to create peace between

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people. Like when I see that there's discord

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and things going on, I do believe I was called

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to plant seeds. But I had started turning that

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planting seeds into trying to kind of like...

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force the hand, right? And that's not our role

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and that's not our responsibility. And maybe

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you listening to this need to hear today to ask

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God to help you know when to stop. Ask God to

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help you discern when are you planting seeds

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and when are you starting to try to force the

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harvest and force the situation. But I want you

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all to stop and think on this when you're hearing

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this today. Is there an area in your life right

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now where you are believing that you can control

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outcomes that aren't in your control? That you

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can control actions and thoughts and feelings

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and responses that you can't control? And I want

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to take this step even further. Is there an area?

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that God has called you to be strong and that

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you are watering down, that you are doling down

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to keep others around you comfortable? Is there

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a step God is calling you to take that you have

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yet to take because you're fearful of how the

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people around you are going to respond or react?

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When I look back, There were so many times where

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I knew God was calling me to step out in faith,

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but I would delay that response. I would delay

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that action. I would delay my responding to God's

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call because I was overthinking, well, how are

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the people around me going to react? And what

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might I lose if people around me don't receive

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it well? And this, that this is what I keep being

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brought back to is so far as it depends on you.

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God is calling us to take, we have to take responsibility

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of what areas can we control? Like what areas

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in our life can we contribute to peacekeeping,

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to showing love, to killing the tension, to killing

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the anger. So we've looked at this part, right,

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of recognizing that we cannot control other people

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and not trying to exert that control. But let's

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take a moment to look at the accountability aspect

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here. Because we do have an accountability to

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take. And I'll share with y 'all a personal example,

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a personal testimony that I felt convicted by

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with the Lord, right? There was... A connection,

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a relationship I had with a person that there

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was some tension going on. And I felt like the

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majority of the tension was on their part. You

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know, I felt like I wasn't doing a lot of wrong

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in the situation that caused the tension. I felt

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like that was more on their end, right? I felt

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like they were more the person with things to

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adjust or things to fix. But I hadn't realized

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that, you know, they were coming around and trying

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to soften the tension. Maybe the root of the

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problem hadn't been fixed yet. I'll say that.

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But they were trying to limit the lack of peace

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that was going on, right? They were trying to

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like, okay, hey, I know we haven't completely

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fixed this problem yet, but let's at least like

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be kind towards each other. And I personally,

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y 'all, wrote that off because I took it as this

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person just trying to dismiss the problem and

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dismiss the situation and you know maybe maybe

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they were I don't know I I don't know hearts

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and I don't know minds but there was a part of

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me that was apprehensive to creating peace with

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this person because I was like no like if I make

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peace right now they're gonna think that I'm

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over it and it's okay not to work on this and

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it's okay not to fix this and I started feeling

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convicted by the Lord the more I was thinking

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on the scripture as far as it depends on you,

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do your best to live peaceably. And I thought

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about it, and I was like, me choosing to show

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this person kindness, me choosing to show this

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person love, isn't excusing things. I don't have

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to say, you know what, never mind. I don't have

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to back down on all these things I said. I don't

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have to back down on these boundaries that I

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stood on. But I should try to show love to this

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person. And I had a conviction of just telling

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this person, hey, I love you, would make a world

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of a difference in the way that we're interacting.

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And I listened to that and I told this person

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I love them and it immediately diffused the tension.

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You know, these boundaries that I set, I haven't

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backed out on them. You know, the things that

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I said can hold to scripture. Did I say them

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in a way that was exactly Christ -like? No, and

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I had to repent for that. But that was an opportunity

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for me to work through and to utilize. the tools

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that God has given me and how to love people

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but still stand on business. You know, Jesus

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called people to go and sin no more. He would

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heal them, but then he would say, but go and

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sin no more. In order to show love to people,

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Jesus wasn't saying, okay, you can conform to

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the world. Your truth is your truth. If this

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is how you're feeling, this is how you decide

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is best to handle, just do that. Just do your

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thing. Now, Jesus would call them to a higher

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place. Jesus would call them to grow, to be better,

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to do better. But he wasn't doing a thing of

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where he's like, but I'm going to make you feel

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like crap and I'm going to be mean to you and

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petty towards you and all these things until

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you do it. His love was unconditional. He loved

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them regardless, but his love didn't look like

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enabling or encouraging to conform. And that's

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what I had seen in that situation, right? Is

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where I can show this person love. I can tell

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them I love them. I can show them like, hey,

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like I'm not stewing and angry. I don't hate

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you. I can do that. And still not back down on

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the boundaries I know God has called me to establish.

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And being rooted in the things I know God has

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called me to be rooted in. And that was a wonderful

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moment for me. I see that there is an area where

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I can do better to create peace. But that peace

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doesn't look like going against God's word. And

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I had taken a recognition where I was like, I

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can't force this person. To be more peaceful.

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I can't do these things, but what I can do is

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I can pray for them. I can give it to God because

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there is a spirit behind different actions. When

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I recognize that that spiritual battle is God's

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to fight. There's a weight lifted off of the

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shoulders. I can tell you that. Maybe you are

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listening to this today. And this is just your

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opportunity to hear that you can be kind. You

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can show Christlike love. You can love someone

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and also stand on God's word. You can do both.

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Boundaries don't always look like being hateful

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and angry. In fact, that's kind of unchristlike,

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right? You can stand on boundaries and still

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be praying for someone's salvation. You can stand

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on boundaries and still tell them that Jesus

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loves them. There's something that's been coming

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across my social media a lot recently. I find

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I keep passing a lot of videos of people saying

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the same thing, that they're saying that Someone

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who calls you out on your sin and tries to direct

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you back lovingly to Christ loves you a lot more

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than the person that's enabling you and telling

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you to stay in it. It is actually a very, very

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loving thing for a brother and sister in Christ

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to be like, hey, I see that you're falling away

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here and lovingly point you back. When they have

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that bigger picture in mind of the walk with

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Jesus and you looking more like Jesus and you

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living a life submitted to Jesus is far more

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important than your fleshly desires or your comfortability.

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And this, y 'all, I didn't expect to go in this

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direction, but there is a book that I started

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reading this fall. That is called Servant Warfare.

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And it's by Steve Sojournan, if I'm pronouncing

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his name correctly. And this was an eye -opener

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read for me, right? Because when I... really

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started stepping into my authority for Christ.

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And I feel there are a lot of other Christians

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who run into this as well, right? When you step

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into your authority in Christ Jesus, when you're

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able to start discerning the spirits behind things,

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when you're able to start looking at something

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and being like, yeah, that is a demonic influence,

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that is a demonic oppression situation, whatever

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it may be. you immediately want to step into

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the, I rebuke and I cast this out in the name

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of Jesus. And like you so quickly, I know for

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me personally, I immediately, when I would spot

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something as demonic, I immediately wanted to

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expose it and be like, Hey y 'all ring a ding

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ding. This is demonic here. Expose it, cast it

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out, cast it down. And I felt like that was me

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really being a champion for Christ. Right. I

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felt like that was me really. really doing a

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big one. And you know what? That is part of our

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authority as Christians, right? That is part

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of our authority that the Lord has given us is

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to trample, to trample on serpents and scorpions

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and to in the name of Jesus Christ, cast out

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demons. But this was where my mind was opened

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that I hadn't thought on it that long. But we

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also know from reading scripture that when you

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rebuke a demon, when you cast it out, right,

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that demon goes about and it goes through the

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waterless places and it seeks a new vessel. And

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then it comes back and it returns, but it returns

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with, I believe it's like seven more, seven more

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demons. So you rebuke it from that person, but

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then it comes back and it comes back stronger

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and it comes back more powerful. The thing that

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the Lord has really opened my eyes to is when

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you are trying to deliver people, and when you

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are rebuking, when you're casting out demons,

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if that person doesn't become a space that welcomes

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Jesus Christ, that wants deliverance, that sees

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that they need deliverance, that sees that they

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need a lifestyle change, Sure, that demon's fleeing

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for a little bit. That person gets a temporary

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relief. But then it's starting right back up.

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And the thing that the Lord has been showing

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me is how the love of Jesus and opening people's

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hearts to Christ is so, so crucial to that. It's

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so crucial to someone being delivered, to someone

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having a different life. And I was having this

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conversation with someone not too long ago where

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it's like, yeah, you can rebuke the demon. You

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can rebuke all that. But if you're not showing

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the personal love of Jesus, if they don't see

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that they need to change their habits, if they

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don't start seeing how welcoming these things

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in is harmful or damaging, they're going to welcome

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them right back in. And the thing that this book

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had revealed to me. servant warfare was literally

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what, what it's called is spiritual warfare from

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a servant mindset, from a servant perspective

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of this was a man who was a pastor that him and

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his church would go throughout the week and just

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serve people in the community. And they had little

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cards made up that said, hey, we're doing this

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thing to just show you the love of Jesus in the

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practical way. They're washing people's toilets,

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like businesses' toilets. They're putting coins

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in people's parking meters. They were just doing

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these things that were random acts of love and

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kindness. And when people would start saying,

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why are you doing this? That was opening up the

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door for them to start telling them about the

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love of Jesus. And there is actually a story

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in here of... There was this lady who was, I

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believe she was a tarot card reader. She was

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like into the psychic stuff and had a little

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business and had ordered for meals, free meals

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from the church. And the church came and brought

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them to her. And in doing that, and in showing

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her the love of Jesus and talking to her in front

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of all the other clients sitting out there, multiple

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of them that day received the gospel, gave their

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lives to Christ. And ended up becoming members

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of the church. And the common theme, and there

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were many, many stories like that in that book.

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The common theme that kept popping up is before

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these people were open. to being delivered. Before

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these people were open to having, because he

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talks about deliverance sessions in this, when

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they were literally casting out and rebuking

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demons. And there was some very interesting stuff

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that I was reading about in there. But before

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people would be open to that and recognizing

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that they needed that, they first were recognizing

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that they needed Jesus, right? They were first

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recognizing that they needed Christ. And that

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was the mind -blowing thing for me of like, I'm

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so quick to rush and try to expose and try to

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rebuke and try to get all these people, you know,

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delivered, like trying to cast out all these

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demons. But if these people don't know the love

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of Jesus, if these people don't know that they

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need different, then these demons are going to

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come back into a well -cleaned up space with

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seven more. Big chillin'. And that's something,

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y 'all, that the Lord has been taking me through

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the past, I would say, especially like six months,

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is showing people the love of Jesus. You know,

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we're not called to repay evil for evil. We're

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not. That's actually what's said right before

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the scriptures. Do not repay evil for evil. If

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possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably

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with all. And I started learning, oh my goodness.

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Like the problem isn't just that these people

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need delivered, that they need these demons like

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rebuked. The problem here is like they need to

00:26:00.299 --> 00:26:02.220
accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

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So that way the deliverance sticks. Then deliverance

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isn't going to stick if they don't desire to

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live like Jesus. And I started recognizing that

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speaking in hate. in anger and saying like expose

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just the kind of constant exposure and frustration

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and harsh language isn't the way that jesus spoke

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to people he spoke to people with love he spoke

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to people with kindness but he never went against

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god's word you can speak with love and kindness

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and not be going against god and not be watering

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down the gospel we have like this misunderstanding

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I don't think there's a better way to word it

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in this generation where people think that if

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they water down the gospel or leave out parts,

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it'll win more people over. It'll be better received.

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But that's not what we're called to do. We're

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not called to shift or change God's word or to

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water down God's word. But I'm telling y 'all

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today, and I know from experience every time

00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:28.980
before I gave my life to Jesus, when people would

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come at me and say, what you're doing is wrong

00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:32.740
and wicked and evil. When people would speak

00:27:32.740 --> 00:27:35.039
at me in anger and frustration, I wanted nothing

00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:38.440
to do with Jesus. I wanted nothing to do with

00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:42.079
Christianity. I wanted nothing to do. And they

00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:46.440
actually made me want to bury myself deeper in

00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:52.640
what I was doing. It actually made me want to

00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:57.440
stray further away from Christianity. And of

00:27:57.440 --> 00:27:59.640
course, now I can see that, you know, that was

00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.880
me being hurt by people, not by Jesus, not by

00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.160
the church. At that time, my only example of

00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:08.680
Jesus, my only example of the church was the

00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:11.180
people who were coming towards me. And all the

00:28:11.180 --> 00:28:12.779
people I was seeing were people where I was like,

00:28:12.859 --> 00:28:18.700
well, this just feels angry and hateful. Y 'all.

00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:24.299
The Lord has really been changing the way that

00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:29.160
I view discipleship making and deliverance. And

00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.160
the root of it is love. And I feel like there

00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:33.740
are other people who need to hear this today

00:28:33.740 --> 00:28:37.759
is love and kindness. You know, the people who

00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:42.680
were able to plant seeds for me. When I look

00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:49.400
back. And I didn't see it in the moment. But

00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.640
these were people who I knew that they disagreed

00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:54.559
with when I was a new ager. I knew they disagreed

00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:56.380
with when I was a tarot card reader. I knew they

00:28:56.380 --> 00:28:59.599
disagreed with these things. But they were the

00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:04.200
first people that they weren't like, they continued

00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:07.400
to show me love regardless of their disagreement

00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:09.660
with what I was doing. They never said what I

00:29:09.660 --> 00:29:12.400
was doing was okay. They never said that what

00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:14.500
I was doing was fine. They never said anything

00:29:14.500 --> 00:29:18.559
that contradicted God's word. They listened.

00:29:18.619 --> 00:29:20.700
They would ask me questions of why I did what

00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:25.240
I did. I want to be so clear that they never

00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:31.579
conformed to it. But they also showed me a love

00:29:31.579 --> 00:29:34.920
and acceptance that made no sense to me. Like

00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:36.539
when they would find out I was needing something,

00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:40.049
they'd be so quick to give it to me. They would

00:29:40.049 --> 00:29:43.109
just talk and give me advice and show me love

00:29:43.109 --> 00:29:45.869
in ways that had been so long since I've seen

00:29:45.869 --> 00:29:47.390
that love. Because there was nothing I could

00:29:47.390 --> 00:29:49.609
give back to them. They were showing me love

00:29:49.609 --> 00:29:58.690
and kindness just to do it. And when I started

00:29:58.690 --> 00:30:01.509
giving my life to Christ, and when I started

00:30:01.509 --> 00:30:03.869
giving my life to the Lord, I was able to look

00:30:03.869 --> 00:30:07.710
back and be like, man, that was Jesus. Trying

00:30:07.710 --> 00:30:14.609
to get to me through these people. And it actually

00:30:14.609 --> 00:30:17.349
encouraged me when I was looking back and reflecting

00:30:17.349 --> 00:30:22.369
on conversations. To deny the flesh in some areas.

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I'm telling y 'all. That if we want to bring

00:30:33.109 --> 00:30:36.569
people closer to Christ. Like if we want to.

00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:40.279
point people to the cross if we want to get better

00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:49.380
at discipleship making if we want people to want

00:30:49.380 --> 00:30:55.099
Jesus one of the best ways one of the best actions

00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:58.119
we can take is by showing them the love of Jesus

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and I've said this in that past episode love

00:31:00.019 --> 00:31:03.619
you cannot show it and give it until you have

00:31:03.619 --> 00:31:07.490
experienced it right And I want to be so clear

00:31:07.490 --> 00:31:11.069
that like, although today I'm able to talk about

00:31:11.069 --> 00:31:15.509
forgiveness and love and kindness and peace,

00:31:15.730 --> 00:31:20.609
I had to first receive it. I will be the first

00:31:20.609 --> 00:31:22.309
one always to tell y 'all that I'm not speaking

00:31:22.309 --> 00:31:24.349
to you as like from some mountaintop of I've

00:31:24.349 --> 00:31:26.809
never made these mistakes or I made them and

00:31:26.809 --> 00:31:29.289
I'm like better now and I'm just. preaching and

00:31:29.289 --> 00:31:32.029
teaching. No, I'm actively working through this

00:31:32.029 --> 00:31:34.410
and learning this because I am an imperfect person

00:31:34.410 --> 00:31:39.450
who falls short. And the only reason why I know

00:31:39.450 --> 00:31:43.269
the forgiveness of Jesus is because of the many

00:31:43.269 --> 00:31:45.930
times I have had to experience the forgiveness

00:31:45.930 --> 00:31:49.569
of Jesus. How many times I've had to go to him

00:31:49.569 --> 00:31:52.690
in repentance since giving my life to him and

00:31:52.690 --> 00:31:54.890
say, I have fallen short here. I did this. I

00:31:54.890 --> 00:31:59.069
did that. Please forgive me. And experiencing

00:31:59.069 --> 00:32:02.309
the forgiveness where Jesus is ready to forgive

00:32:02.309 --> 00:32:12.250
me. Where he's ready to make peace. I had to

00:32:12.250 --> 00:32:15.289
experience that so many times before I was actually

00:32:15.289 --> 00:32:19.470
ready to extend that to other people. And it

00:32:19.470 --> 00:32:22.410
was by seeing and experiencing how Jesus forgives

00:32:22.410 --> 00:32:25.250
me that I was able to see how I can like be forgiving

00:32:25.250 --> 00:32:27.509
of other people. Now I want to be so clear to

00:32:27.509 --> 00:32:32.490
differentiate this. Like I can't, Jesus's level

00:32:32.490 --> 00:32:34.869
of forgiveness and my level of forgiveness are

00:32:34.869 --> 00:32:37.750
like different weights. Obviously my forgiveness

00:32:37.750 --> 00:32:40.990
is I'm foregoing people to God of where it's

00:32:40.990 --> 00:32:44.549
like I, any need for a lick back, a get back,

00:32:44.630 --> 00:32:46.410
vengeance to make you feel some type of way,

00:32:46.470 --> 00:32:49.920
any of that, I'm letting that go. And whatever

00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.000
consequence, if there is anything like that,

00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.140
I give that to God. And I'm trusting in God's

00:32:56.140 --> 00:32:59.059
ability to divinely handle it. I understand that

00:32:59.059 --> 00:33:01.339
vengeance is not mine. Vengeance is the Lord's,

00:33:01.339 --> 00:33:03.740
right? And that is my forgiveness. My forgiveness

00:33:03.740 --> 00:33:07.599
is foregoing someone to God. I personally do

00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:14.599
not have the capacity to like forgive sins and

00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:16.559
like the entry of heaven like Jesus does, right?

00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.319
So I felt the need to differentiate that. My

00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.079
forgiveness is I forgo someone to God. I'm not

00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:26.339
holding on to something that I'm never meant

00:33:26.339 --> 00:33:28.160
to hold on to in the first place. Vengeance is

00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:32.460
not mine. Vengeance is the Lord's. Now Jesus,

00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:38.359
when we put our faith in Jesus, We're able to

00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.180
receive the forgiveness of sins, right? Because

00:33:40.180 --> 00:33:43.240
he paid the debt. He went to the cross. So when

00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:46.019
our faith is in Jesus, when we go before God

00:33:46.019 --> 00:33:49.500
one day, inevitably fall short. Every single

00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:53.440
one of us has fallen short. Jesus says their

00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:57.279
faith was in me. They're covered. And we literally

00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:01.579
are able to access heaven. I feel like people

00:34:01.579 --> 00:34:03.980
know this, but I feel the need to say it anyway.

00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.619
Whether or not we forgive someone does not determine

00:34:06.619 --> 00:34:08.440
whether or not they go to heaven. I could be

00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:10.559
holding someone unforgiveness the rest of my

00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:12.639
life, and if they have put their faith in Jesus

00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:19.280
Christ, they're going to heaven, baby. Their

00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:23.300
faith is in him. Their heart is with him. Whether

00:34:23.300 --> 00:34:25.340
or not I choose to forgive someone does not determine

00:34:25.340 --> 00:34:26.940
whether or not they go to heaven, whether or

00:34:26.940 --> 00:34:29.710
not they see salvation. I just felt the need

00:34:29.710 --> 00:34:31.809
to kind of differentiate that. My forgiveness

00:34:31.809 --> 00:34:35.170
is a different type of forgiveness from Jesus.

00:34:35.550 --> 00:34:38.369
But my forgiveness can look very similar to the

00:34:38.369 --> 00:34:43.630
way Jesus forgave in ways, right? Because I've

00:34:43.630 --> 00:34:45.329
experienced how he's done it for me. Most of

00:34:45.329 --> 00:34:48.190
my life, I had fallen short. Most of my life,

00:34:48.190 --> 00:34:54.019
I had been angry and rejected him. lived in the

00:34:54.019 --> 00:34:56.000
flesh and did all these things, believed the

00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:57.619
lies of the enemy, did all these things that

00:34:57.619 --> 00:35:03.599
didn't serve Jesus. I went against him every

00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:07.760
day of my life. I betrayed and denied him every

00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:14.400
day of my life. But then one day when I saw the

00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.019
truth and I repented, he was ready to forgive

00:35:17.019 --> 00:35:22.909
me. Like he was ready to, I love you. I've been

00:35:22.909 --> 00:35:27.690
waiting for you. And him showing that to me has

00:35:27.690 --> 00:35:30.030
opened my mind up that I can show that to other

00:35:30.030 --> 00:35:33.690
people too, right? And there's the scripture

00:35:33.690 --> 00:35:38.489
that I want to read to y 'all. Again, in Titus,

00:35:38.489 --> 00:35:42.769
Titus 3, where it says here, starting in verse

00:35:42.769 --> 00:35:46.630
3, for we too were once foolish, disobedient,

00:35:46.630 --> 00:35:49.230
deceived, enslaved by various passions and pleasures,

00:35:49.449 --> 00:35:53.329
living in malice and envy. hateful, detesting

00:35:53.329 --> 00:35:55.829
one another. But when the kindness of God, our

00:35:55.829 --> 00:35:58.269
Savior, and his love for mankind appeared, he

00:35:58.269 --> 00:36:01.110
saved us, not by works or righteousness that

00:36:01.110 --> 00:36:06.230
we had done, but according to his mercy. And

00:36:06.230 --> 00:36:10.599
y 'all, I remember when I first repented. To

00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:13.659
give my life to Jesus. And I felt a peace. And

00:36:13.659 --> 00:36:16.079
I felt a weight lifted off of me. And I was reading

00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:18.420
scripture. And they were talking about offerings.

00:36:18.860 --> 00:36:21.440
And I remember having this thought of thank you

00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.519
Jesus for coming here. And making it to where

00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:25.980
I just have to put my faith in you. Because I

00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:28.039
don't have the money for a goat or a cow or a

00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.559
cattle. I can't drive to a temple and do all

00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:32.880
that. I started thinking I was like glory be

00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:38.380
to God. That we can repent and be forgiven like

00:36:38.380 --> 00:36:46.030
that. That it's not a works -based thing. And

00:36:46.030 --> 00:36:47.550
you know, I want to circle this around to that

00:36:47.550 --> 00:36:50.090
person that I felt the Lord calling me to show

00:36:50.090 --> 00:36:52.389
love to. I shared that testimony with y 'all

00:36:52.389 --> 00:36:54.989
earlier of just telling them I love them. Is

00:36:54.989 --> 00:36:58.170
I had been holding into my heart, a part of me

00:36:58.170 --> 00:37:01.130
was refusing to interact or be kind or show love

00:37:01.130 --> 00:37:02.809
to this person because I was like, they haven't

00:37:02.809 --> 00:37:07.150
changed yet. And I felt convicted of the Lord

00:37:07.150 --> 00:37:12.030
saying, But my being kind to them or my showing

00:37:12.030 --> 00:37:14.670
the love of Jesus to them shouldn't be dependent

00:37:14.670 --> 00:37:17.010
on their works because I'm not deserving of it

00:37:17.010 --> 00:37:23.210
either. And this was something, honestly, I really

00:37:23.210 --> 00:37:26.429
struggled to fully grasp or understand. I know

00:37:26.429 --> 00:37:28.050
that there's more that the Lord is going to reveal

00:37:28.050 --> 00:37:30.230
to me on this topic throughout my life, but it's

00:37:30.230 --> 00:37:32.650
crazy the understanding I have of it now versus

00:37:32.650 --> 00:37:39.659
just a couple months ago. But from a humble space,

00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.920
when I remind myself that I'm not deserving of

00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.739
the forgiveness I receive from Jesus, I'm not

00:37:45.739 --> 00:37:47.639
deserving of the love or any of these things,

00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:49.820
yet I still receive it anyway, that allows me

00:37:49.820 --> 00:37:51.679
to show that and share that with other people.

00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.519
And going back to our root topic today, doing

00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.039
your best to live peaceably with others includes

00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.539
showing the love of Jesus to them, whether or

00:38:02.539 --> 00:38:05.619
not they deserve it. Because you don't deserve

00:38:05.619 --> 00:38:12.289
it, and I don't deserve it. When we live in Scripture

00:38:12.289 --> 00:38:14.989
as our truth, we're operating as Scripture as

00:38:14.989 --> 00:38:21.530
the truth, none of us deserve it. Not a single

00:38:21.530 --> 00:38:23.449
one of us, our salvation, our entry into heaven

00:38:23.449 --> 00:38:27.210
cannot be bought by works. Our works do not buy

00:38:27.210 --> 00:38:31.050
our way into heaven, so that way no man may boast.

00:38:33.690 --> 00:38:36.210
Our works do not buy the love of the Heavenly

00:38:36.210 --> 00:38:42.030
Father. And when we're striving to live a life

00:38:42.030 --> 00:38:46.750
Christ -like, we need to stop ransoming our love.

00:38:46.849 --> 00:38:49.670
We need to start saying, I'll only show you love

00:38:49.670 --> 00:38:51.949
or only show you if you meet these certain requirements

00:38:51.949 --> 00:38:54.969
or do these certain works. And again, I don't

00:38:54.969 --> 00:38:57.190
know how many times, but I'll continue to reiterate

00:38:57.190 --> 00:39:00.710
this skill. Love doesn't mean putting down boundaries.

00:39:02.190 --> 00:39:08.769
Love doesn't mean access. And I do encourage

00:39:08.769 --> 00:39:12.230
you. To pray that God shows you the ways that

00:39:12.230 --> 00:39:17.130
you can love people better. If you're needing

00:39:17.130 --> 00:39:20.849
a new topic to Bible study on, I encourage your

00:39:20.849 --> 00:39:23.730
next one to be love. How to show Christlike love.

00:39:23.889 --> 00:39:26.929
How to be forgiving. What ways can you grow in

00:39:26.929 --> 00:39:30.829
that? And if you're sitting here listening to

00:39:30.829 --> 00:39:32.510
this and thinking, I already love people super

00:39:32.510 --> 00:39:34.289
well, or I already do this, there's nowhere to

00:39:34.289 --> 00:39:42.130
grow. I want to lovingly, lovingly, Discourage

00:39:42.130 --> 00:39:46.030
that thinking. Because there is a pruning that

00:39:46.030 --> 00:39:50.429
can be done. As long as we are walking here on

00:39:50.429 --> 00:39:53.469
this earth in these bodies, there is more that

00:39:53.469 --> 00:39:55.809
we can learn about the Lord. And there is more

00:39:55.809 --> 00:39:58.409
that we can improve in and grow on. We're not

00:39:58.409 --> 00:40:02.489
perfect. We all fall short. And we're continuing

00:40:02.489 --> 00:40:04.969
to go through a growing and learning process

00:40:04.969 --> 00:40:12.219
every day. So I want it in the most loving, loving

00:40:12.219 --> 00:40:14.920
way because I have been in that position. I have

00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.019
had moments where I'm like, God, I've showed

00:40:17.019 --> 00:40:19.539
the love to these people in every way I can think

00:40:19.539 --> 00:40:21.159
of. I've done this in every way I can think of.

00:40:21.179 --> 00:40:24.500
I don't know what more you want from me. And

00:40:24.500 --> 00:40:27.900
then usually he'll let me kind of settle and,

00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:32.840
you know, get back in his presence and get emotionally

00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:36.519
sorted. And then he'll show me exactly the thing

00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:38.619
that I'm needing to heal and work on. Usually

00:40:38.619 --> 00:40:41.179
when I feel an apprehension or I immediately

00:40:41.179 --> 00:40:45.400
want to wall up to something like that, there's

00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.900
an unhealed pattern or thought or behavior that

00:40:49.900 --> 00:40:54.099
I'm protecting or defending. So in the most loving

00:40:54.099 --> 00:40:57.639
way, I just want to say there is an area that

00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.719
you can be expanded on. And I do encourage you

00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.719
to pray to the Lord to help you expand that.

00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:05.840
I know there's probably some more he's needing

00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.269
to show me. We're working through it this week,

00:41:08.329 --> 00:41:10.809
obviously. I thought I did so well at making

00:41:10.809 --> 00:41:13.309
peace with people until the Lord revealed to

00:41:13.309 --> 00:41:16.389
me I can be doing better. I thought I was doing

00:41:16.389 --> 00:41:20.349
so good with deliverance and rebuking until the

00:41:20.349 --> 00:41:22.050
Lord showed me that there was a whole aspect

00:41:22.050 --> 00:41:26.130
of it I was missing. I thought I was doing so

00:41:26.130 --> 00:41:29.829
good with standing on God's truth until I was

00:41:29.829 --> 00:41:32.130
put in situations where I recognized I was watering

00:41:32.130 --> 00:41:40.480
down Scripture. I pray that this episode just

00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:45.340
helps you today in how you interact, in how you

00:41:45.340 --> 00:41:48.199
show the love of Jesus, in how you take accountability,

00:41:48.619 --> 00:41:52.260
and maybe helping you to stop taking accountability

00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:55.239
for some things that aren't yours to take. You

00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:58.780
know, I feel like that was a good part, the first

00:41:58.780 --> 00:42:01.710
part of this message. That there are some areas,

00:42:01.849 --> 00:42:04.070
there are some weights that we're carrying that

00:42:04.070 --> 00:42:06.750
God never meant for us to carry. There are some

00:42:06.750 --> 00:42:10.210
responsibilities that we're bringing along with

00:42:10.210 --> 00:42:14.050
us that aren't ours to bring along. And when

00:42:14.050 --> 00:42:16.550
we start identifying this is an area that should

00:42:16.550 --> 00:42:20.530
be left to God, it's crazy the freedom that we

00:42:20.530 --> 00:42:27.010
can step into and move through. I pray that this

00:42:27.010 --> 00:42:30.670
episode... blesses you and helps you and that

00:42:30.670 --> 00:42:34.389
you're guided in this season I pray that my testimony

00:42:34.389 --> 00:42:38.909
however sometimes honestly y 'all it can be sometimes

00:42:38.909 --> 00:42:41.110
embarrassing to share some of these testimonies

00:42:41.110 --> 00:42:42.590
because I'm like I feel like that's a really

00:42:42.590 --> 00:42:45.230
obvious thing to fall short on but I feel like

00:42:45.230 --> 00:42:47.670
me being vulnerable and sharing this with y 'all

00:42:47.670 --> 00:42:54.050
it keeps me humble but I really truly hope that

00:42:54.050 --> 00:42:57.579
it also It helps y 'all to see that like I'm

00:42:57.579 --> 00:42:59.739
moving through this process too. I'm in the boat

00:42:59.739 --> 00:43:02.579
with you. Like although I'm speaking about these

00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:06.559
things, like these are things that I'm moving

00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.440
through and learning through and that you see

00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:10.639
that like I'm also just moving through it and

00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:14.280
walking through it and that I fall short too.

00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:18.539
And I hope that it helps you in softening your

00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:21.280
heart and just accepting some of these things.

00:43:23.469 --> 00:43:26.050
I pray that y 'all have a wonderful day. Please

00:43:26.050 --> 00:43:28.309
subscribe wherever it is you're listening to

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