Welcome to her comeback. I'm so glad you're back
with me. This is where 50 isn't your finish line.
It is your starting point. The starting point
of everything you want your life to be. The person
that you are meant to be. I'm your host Michelle
Thompson, and we are proving that your best chapter
may just be the one you haven't written yet.
We'll continue each episode featuring honest
conversation with women who have stopped going
at it alone and have found their way to fulfillment,
joy, and purpose in their second act. You'll
hear about their struggles, their breakthroughs,
and the practical steps that they took to create
lives that they actually love. This podcast will
show you how other women have made their comeback
and how you can too. Welcome back. Good day,
everyone. Welcome to her comeback. I am so happy
to have Dr. Antoinette Cruz with us today. She's
such an amazing lady. I had the privilege of
meeting her last year and have really gotten
to know her over the past few months. And she
amazes me. Dr. Antoinette, welcome. Thank you,
Michelle. Thank you so much. Glad to be here.
Thank you for coming on. Would you tell our audience
a little bit more about yourself? Sure. Yeah.
So I am what Floridians call a Northerner. My
husband and I relocated to Southwest Florida
in 2016 from Pennsylvania proper. We lived in
Ann Arbor, Rochester, Michigan. I am a first
-generation doctor. I completed my clinical work
at the University of Michigan. taught at Columbia
University. And also this is where I really gained
a lot of the clinical understanding and the dual
diagnosis, understanding how the chronic and
the health and wellness go together. And then
started outreach work in Michigan. And on my
show here, we talk about women who have recreated
their life and had different transformations.
And you are certainly a beautiful example of
that. So I'm going to ask you just if you And
I wanted to talk first about what led you from
the traditional clinical social work into this
integrated body -centered approach to trauma
recovery. Can you talk about that journey a little
bit? I think what I learned, number one, was
understood on a greater level managed care and
how managed care drives the quality of care.
But I think the other piece that I really learned
was that we were just having conversations about
symptoms and what people were experiencing, as
opposed to really getting to the nitty gritty
of what was the cause of the distress or the
impairment that was preventing people to really
fully live. and not just survive. That was Michelle,
the catalyst for, okay, there's got to be something
else. There's something that we're not missing
here. And then, of course, I had come from the
University of Michigan, so I had gained so much
knowledge from the understanding of trauma. and
the impact of traumatic events in the lives of
humans. And so that was where this trajectory
started. It really started while I was in my
clinical studies and really didn't even understand
until I landed here in Southwest Florida. And
that was when it truly manifested. And what happened
was Hurricane Irma hit in 2017. And I experienced
Irma, the darkness, power out at night. when
you couldn't see anything, but you could hear
the sounds of this howling wind. Those kinds
of things you don't forget. Those are imprints.
They leave imprints in the body. And I was still
at the time working for one of the larger behavioral
health agencies, but I think what was really
telling for me was the fact that there was no
plan for people who were preparing for a large
or major storm to hit. There was really no, okay,
Here's the safety plan. What's your safety plan?
But more importantly, our agency is closing.
There was no plan for people to prepare for care
or how they would even care for themselves during
the storm. Before the storm, okay, grab the water,
grab the propane, grab the batteries. But there
was really no mental health preparedness kit.
And so that was the piece that really stayed
with me. Here's the other piece. So how did we
transition today to the work that we're doing?
We started working with individuals experiencing
severe and persistent mental health issues. We
helped them get connected to disability benefits,
which ultimately allowed them to be able to afford
housing. We're helping to close the gap here
in Lee County as it relates to homelessness.
And we know that without Housing, the probability
of helping a person really become self -sufficient
is more challenging. So people need basics, food,
shelter, recognition, emotions, emotional care,
love, just acceptance. So Hurricane Irma hit.
We were seeing people who were just out and about
just really lost their neighborhoods, their families,
dislocated. And as we continued to do our work,
We learned a lot about our mental health care
system here in Southwest Florida. We learned
about what managed care would and would not pay.
And at the time we were 50 out of 50. as far
as mental health care spending back at that time
frame. I mean, at the bottom of the list. Yeah,
the investment in mental health care here in
Southwest Florida was really, it just seemed
to not be a priority. Even though our county
officials were aware of the issues, people were
really concerned, it just wasn't making the top
of the list. And so we decided, okay, so what
can we do to help and support our county, is
that we would begin to... just understand on
a greater level. So taking the data that we receive
who were diagnosed with a mental health concern,
really try to understand, okay, what is the core
of this trauma? Why do we see this revolving
door of symptoms and behaviors? And so what happens
is that you see a person... who has had a traumatic
event in their life. And usually what happens
is there's some sort of coping mechanism, whether
it be negative, like say alcohol or some sort
of substances. So the substance was the primary
diagnosis when really the schizophrenia should
have been the primary treatment that we were
really trying to accomplish with the individual.
So. Oftentimes in the traditional systems, medication
is also provided as a way to help with some of
the symptoms. But as symptoms do not get to those
root causes. And so that was where what I really
became concerned about. And I was really focused
on vulnerable populations, which are our children
and seniors and people with disabilities. So
we were really focused in that area. However,
when you open your door and you're a nonprofit
organization here, you get everything. Everybody
comes in because people just need help. They
don't know where to go. Fast forward to Hurricane
Ian 2022. We have become very active with FEMA,
working with the county. We were called into
the disaster shelters, the public and the medical.
Three days after the storm, just being there,
working side by side with Red Cross. And we learned
a lot there as well, being right in the mix of
a public response to a major hurricane, cat four.
And it was really interesting to see that when
you talk to people about their experience, really
trying to understand, okay, what are the priorities?
You're in the shelter, you're dislocated. But
the recall is what I kept hearing is, wow. I
remember when Andrew hit and Charlie hit and
they kept rewinding and then comparing the other
hurricanes to Ian. It was just like, wow, you're
seeing this complex trauma now, these cascading
effects of experiencing multiple hurricanes.
And so we were also designated as a FEMA recovery
center where people were coming in to have or
receive assistance with their applications so
that they could get the dollars to just be able
to live, whether it be to find a hotel or to
begin to work on repairing the home. So we were
grateful to be in that capacity working with
FEMA and the American Red Cross. But what we
were also seeing too was that people were not
really focused on the emotional aspects of their
trauma related to the disaster. And so that was
where I really thought, okay, we have an opportunity
here because all of the data that was being promoted
was the structural aspects, the costs, the costs,
the costs. During Hurricane Ian, 195 ,000 people
submitted applications for FEMA assistance. And
then it took a year before the actual disaster
case management program was stood up so that
we could actually begin to do the work with people.
It was really incredible, the time frame. But
they have to collect data. There's a process
in place before they can stand up a lot of these
programs. Long we were able to help over 200
people with housing and repairs and relocation.
But the more important piece for us was, how
are people going to sustain themselves for the
next hurricane? What type of coping, what kind
of education, what kind of skills have they learned?
And so what we began to do is really look at
how are people who come to us for FEMA application
assistance How are you really living through
or handling what you've gone through emotionally?
And so we began to talk to people really on the
next level. So in addition to the housing assessment,
there was another assessment that I brought in
to try to understand. And so most people had
experienced multiple hurricanes. They have had
to start over all over again. three and four
times. There was a space that became available
for us in the midst of all of what was happening
with Hurricane Ian. And we thought, okay, so
I had just also completed my yoga teacher training.
And it was really exciting because I had all
these great skills, especially as it relates
to emotional regulation, because The idea when
you think about yoga yoga actually means yoke
to yoke and to yoke the mind and the body And
to bring a place of centeredness in and so I
learned a lot of great skills for my own well
-being And i'm thinking hey, this is another
great tool in the toolbox. So One day during
our Hurricane Ian support groups, which we developed
because so many people were in need of just an
emotional place, a safe place that they could
come and just sit and feel like, hey, these people
here have something in common with me. I don't
have people judging me about what I am or am
not doing. There was a place for people to come
and fellowship and have food and just feel like
they were among others who had something in common.
So one day I just decided that I would bring
in some breath work some simple breath work and
that is what Started this work Michelle because
what happened was right after that we eventually
did experience some funding changes things changed
because we had a new president administration
and then so we were in that crossfire where Wow
What are we going to do now? But the cool thing
about coming back is we had already started to
pivot. I had this idea in my heart that said,
we need to provide something else, something
extra for people in this community where we're
all geographically vulnerable to climate. and
the increasing frequency of disasters like hurricanes
and tornadoes, we have to give people something
more and we have to help people understand how
to bounce back and bounce back stronger. Because
what I understand now is that when you have a
plan, fear is negotiable. And so... The Living
Laboratory was birthed simply by asking people,
helping people tell us what you need, teach us.
And that is how the lab was birthed. So tell
our audience what that is. What is the Living
Laboratory? What is that? The Mind Body Movement
Living Laboratory is just really a place where
people can come, understand trauma. understand
their trauma, understand how trauma impacts the
nervous system. First of all, what is the nervous
system? Because oftentimes you go into physicians
and while they will give you basic information,
we really go into the breakdown of this is your
nervous system. You have a parasympathetic, a
sympathetic nervous system, fight -flight -freeze
-fawn. and then rest and digest. And we help
people understand that when you continually stay
in these hyper aroused states, what happens is
the body has an alarm and it just goes off constantly
until we learn how to close down or quiet that
alarm, eventually turn that alarm off. And when
that alarm is going off in the body continuously,
it adds to... the concept of disease, dis -ease,
and what happens is when the body is in a stress
state, the organs, all organs begin to shut down
and our system resources, our body system resources
become depleted. And again, when we are constantly
in stress, so hurricane after hurricane, and
we don't figure out how to get into that body
and understand that stress and how it's impacting
our body, we are ending up in these places that
have us diagnosed with cardiovascular disease.
We have intestinal disease. We have mental health
issues. Here at the laboratory, our goal was
to really teach people how to listen to the body.
One of the things that I understood during my
practice years as a clinician was is that there
was this disconnect. I kept hearing people talking
about the symptoms and the coping, the counseling
and the treatment that was being offered was
really, okay, we're just going to keep talking
about it. We're going to just keep talking. Hopefully
we'll just talk it away. With the work that we
do here at the Living Laboratory is, as a yoga
instructor, I bring in what's called somatic
experiencing. And it's almost like body psychotherapy.
And I wanted to just share clients understand
the trauma and what happens in the brain, but
their bodies hadn't caught up. And there's a
great book by Bessel van der Kolk called The
Body Keeps Score. Whenever we experience trauma,
our body takes a snapshot and we hold on to that
trauma. And then what happens is sometimes trauma
can create, again, this regulated nervous system,
which can create neck and back pains, constant
headaches, fatigue. It can create conditions
like Crohn's, arthritis and things, inflammation
in the body. And oftentimes it is really a aspect
of understanding the trauma that has happened
to the body, getting to the source of that stress,
and then helping people understand through understanding
with the mind, connecting the body, and then
being able to move to release that trauma. So
that is what we do at the Mind Body Movement
Living Laboratory. There's really been quite
an evolution with Providence Family Life Center.
You talked about how when you moved to Southwest
Florida, you saw the gaps that were there from
Hurricane Irma in terms of what was available
to people that had been traumatized, that had
lost property and that kind of thing. And then
how you were able to, by the time Ian came, you
had organized within Providence Family Life Center
in a way that you were able to really fill those
gaps that you saw from when you first came down.
Maybe as more just an observation of how the
Providence Family Life Center evolved from. Irma
to Ian. At Irma, you were seeing where there
were gaps, but then by Ian, you were actually
filling those gaps and you were that resource
that wasn't there before. And so how amazing
that is that you were able to really grow and
evolve that way. Now, Providence Family Life
Center, though, actually started back in 2008,
right? So can you... Just take us back in time
a little bit. So in 2008, when you founded Providence
Family Life, what gap were you trying to fill
at that point in time? Sure, yeah. I had just
come through a really intense life change. And
I remember in that life change, I found myself
having to actually restart my life at that time.
And what happened was is that as I navigated
social services, and trying to understand how
do you get help as a single mom? How do you get
help to really get back on your feet, especially
if you've worked all your life? I've worked since
the age of 14 and never really had public assistance
or anything, and I'm not against it at all. But
here, I found myself in this place. OK, so what
do I do? So essentially, there was a what? We
have here a career source back in Michigan, there
was an agency that helped with employment matters
and just helping people get back on their feet.
And so I had gone through their employment programs
just so that I understand, okay, so what do I
need to get in this world here and be gainfully
employed again? And as I was watching just the
interaction with people and the programs that
were available, I quickly learned that there
were limitations. There was limitations to you
couldn't do this if you wanted this service or
you had to do this if you wanted that service.
What I decided to do was I found a job. I was
actually detailing cars because it was just like,
I'm going to work and I'm going to earn what
I need to earn and eventually just move my way
right on back up to fully standing on my feet.
But education was also that. And then also my
transition, because I had worked in pharmaceuticals.
It was just a whole comeback, Michelle. It was
incredible. What happened was while I was in
this transition, my heart just really turned
to the community. I was front -facing to the
community. I was seeing women and children coming
into this employment agency, and I'm thinking,
oh my God, look, here I am. I'm seeing this,
but I have a different lens. And my lens is,
I'm not going to be so reliant on this system
because it's creating these barriers for me.
It was uncomfortable. So what I did was, as I
said, I'm going to work and I am going to do
what I need to do in order to progress and get
to the place in my life that I need to. During
that time, while I was still just re -engineering
my life, I decided that I'm going to help people.
I'm going to actually try to find a location
to begin to work to help families. And so I found
a church. that opened their doors, and I decided
to start an outreach. And the outreach was to
help people that I saw that needed assistance
who were just wandering. And then I would soon
know that... Many folks were experiencing mental
health issues, a lot of moms. Before I even knew
what human trafficking was, I was seeing women
with their children fleeing these terrible situations.
We just started an outreach on a Thursday night.
I had three bags of clothes, a coffee pot, and
a crock pot. A friend helped me set up. And then
we opened up on a Thursday night, and we just
let people come in. And we were seeing maybe
about 20 people on a night, on a Thursday night.
And then eventually it grew, so we asked if we
could use the church on an additional day. And
they said, yeah, why don't you just take a Saturday?
And so we did, and we just started to open the
doors at 8 a .m. And Michelle, before you know
it, we were seeing over 300 people on a Saturday.
every Saturday, every week. And then as the word
got out about the work that we were doing, other
agencies began to support us. And this is where
I learned the beauty of partnerships and relationships
and collaboration, because that is our superpower
here at Providence Family Life Center. And the
lab is that when we... work with other partners.
They have a piece. We have a piece. Let's bring
it all together to better serve our community.
But that is how we got started. It's just simply
understanding in the community the needs of people.
Like, I was really listening. I was listening
with my heart. So I was seeing that I was listening
with my heart. And I knew there was something
bigger in me that would allow me to be a part
of the solution for our community. From 20...
2008 to today, even though we have the lab, we
are still in that outreach mindset, which says
that our doors are open for people to come in
and inquire. It might be about housing, even
though the sign outside says yoga, people are
still compelled to come in and we help them.
We will direct them to wherever they need to
go. The outreach started in 2008 and it just...
progress to I see these individuals who are homeless
and struggling with undiagnosed mental illness.
And at the time, I didn't have the education,
but I knew what I knew and didn't know what I
didn't know. And we were able to help them after
we understood, why are you homeless? What is
going on? The mental illness was a big contributor
to homelessness. And then not having health care
was also a contributor. And so we were able to
work with disabilities back in Michigan. We started
doing that work and it just carried on and we
relocated here. Can you share a story with us
that illustrates the impact you're having of
serving people with undiagnosed mental illness
or co -occurring disorders? Can you share of
someone who's really been impacted by your work?
Sure. Back in Michigan, we met a gentleman who,
he had changed his name six times. When we met
him, his name was Hollywood General Motors. And
he was severely and persistently, he was severely
mentally ill. He had a diagnosis of schizophrenia
at the time and he came into our outreach and
he started to come on a regular basis. And eventually
we would help him, or first we would understand
his story. Because some people don't want help.
They just want you to listen. And that's okay,
too. And that's one of the guiding principles
of social work is the right to self -determination.
So if a person comes to you and they're expressing
distress, you listen, you offer information.
If the person chooses to follow up with what
you're recommending, then that is their choice.
But it is not our choice to make those decisions
for the individual. This gentleman... He started
to come. He eventually said, hey, I need some
help. We learned that he had been kicked out
of, or actually he was taken into group homes.
He was beaten. He was kicked out every morning
at 6 a .m. He had his benefits taken from him.
And then he was not being cared for properly.
So what we did was we advocated for him with
the Social Security Administration, helped him
get his benefits and all those things back in
place. But... We also knew that there was severe
mental illness that needed to be addressed. And
after a few hospitalizations, he actually was
appointed a guardian back in Michigan. And the
courts said, OK, we're going to appoint a public
guardian for you. And at the time, I was still
working with this gentleman because he didn't
have any family. He, as he became stabilized,
because I helped him get connected to physicians,
get counseling, get stabilized in first a hotel.
And then we worked on housing for him, got him
an apartment. And mind you, Michelle, this is
a gentleman who was homeless for 26 years. And
he came in contact with something different at
Providence. And I will say that he went to the
court himself with a diagnosis of schizophrenia.
He petitioned the court himself for his own guardian.
He had selected me to be his guardian. The judge
at the court called me up and said, hey, we have
a gentleman here who is petitioning for you to
be his guardian. And I said politely to the judge,
no thanks. I have no skills in this area. I am
a social worker. I am not a guardian. And she
says, we will teach you. He is demanding that
you become his guardian. I said, okay, as long
as there's education. I became this gentleman's
guardian in 2012. He is now, he has worked for
six years and he actually just authored his own
book, a new book. And then he's actually working
on a second book. But here's the piece that I
want to share with people who are listening.
Research is so important in the work, if you
are in community work, research, because in the
research regarding the diagnosis of schizophrenia,
you will understand the concepts, the irrational
beliefs, the behaviors, and then you really can
learn from the data. The data, it's informed
us that people living with that diagnosis need
a sense of community, a sense of family, a sense
of belonging, because in their minds, it's the
world against them. And so I took that data,
I took it to heart, and I turned it into a practical
plan for this gentleman. And that is what has
helped him maintain and sustain his life and
his role in the community. And so it wasn't all
about medication. It was all about just being
available for an individual. And then guess what
happened? What happened? Last year, we got a
call from a old attorney that had been appointed
to the family. He came in contact with his sister
he hadn't spoken to since 1979. This Christmas,
he actually spent Christmas with his family.
and was able to create new memories. And his
life, when you look at a life transform, Providence
Family Life Center, our motto is lives change.
He is the epitome of the work that we do. And
I'm getting a little emotional here because it's
just the perfect story, the perfect story of
connecting the mind, the body, understanding,
and then taking your heart, putting your heart
right in the center of that. to really understand
what the needs are of this individual. And that's
what we do at the lab. That's such a touching
and beautiful story. I wonder, as you talk about
your journey, given your kind of heart and soul
into this work, wonder financially, how is it
able to work? Are there grants and federal funding
involved, but how are you able to financially
sustain everything that you're doing? And I'm
glad you asked that question because my husband
and I are really philanthropists. A lot of this
work that we do, we give of our own. to do this
work. In the past, we have been recipients of
federal grants, but those grants are really challenging
to manage. There's a lot of administrative aspects
of those grants, which really take away from
the work that you're trying to do. And we have
a couple of private donors, but we are looking
at alternative ways and sources to generate dollars.
So looking for partnerships and collaborations,
and then also potentially linking with a university
to do some research on some of the data that
we've collected over the last year. Because we
do have a study that we've actually developed.
We haven't put the case study together to publish
it yet, but we have the data that shows that
people... coming to the lab on a regular basis
over a 30 -day period showed an immediate decrease
in symptoms like anxiety, stress, and insomnia,
and then actually created the motivation to help
individuals within themselves, understanding
the stages of change. helping them develop the
motivation to want to do more for themselves
in the area of healthcare. So again, we are looking
at funding opportunities right now and anyone
out there listening who might be interested in
supporting our work. We'd love to sit down and
have conversation with you. Yes. Thank you. Thank
you for sharing that. I know it's time for us
to wrap up, but I wanted to ask you one more
thing about your personal journey as a woman
who During all this time, you mentioned your
education and when you went back, you were certainly
at midlife getting your doctorate. What did that
feel like being where we are in life and going
back into that type of formal education? What
fears did you have? What did that feel like?
Wow. So when you talk about education. It was
different for me for sure because I was a career
changer. My kids were already married. I was
a grandma as well. But I had this awakening.
It was almost like that piece that I was actually
experiencing was what was missing. But I needed
to go, I needed to have those other experiences
first in order to truly appreciate it. And here's
the other thing about that experience. I went
back, essentially started over, got my associates,
got my BSW in social work. And then they were
saying, oh, Antoinette, you need to keep going,
keep going. And then I thought, okay, so I'm
in it to win and I'm old. So guess what? If I'm
going to go to get my master's, I want to go
to one of the best schools. And so my husband
went with me and he was like, okay, so you need
to go. and explore the University of Michigan.
And I was just like, are you kidding me? That's
a dream. I'll never get into Michigan because
they have wait lists for years and then I'm old.
Well, they required this essay. I wrote an essay
and Dan helped me review it to make sure that
it was crispy from a grammatical perspective.
And I got selected. I'll never forget coming
home. Awesome. And I found this welcome package
from the University of Michigan on my doorstep,
and I was just like, sloored. And to be a non
-traditional student, attending one of the top
research universities in the world, was really,
like I felt so... hand selected, like the universe
hand selected me for such a time as this, knowing
that the education that I was going to get at
that time was going to be that next step, that
catalyst to jump off into this next realm and
into this work that I'm doing now. And as you
would have it, the laboratory, the mind, body,
movement, living laboratory is a research. intervention
as well. We're collecting data. Every time a
person walks into the door, we sit down and we
listen. We are learning from people. People are
teaching us what they need. And I think we need
more of that. The other piece that I learned
really quickly was that when we think about the
future of health and wellness, and we like to
use the term well -being here because well -being
is a process, a continuous state. What we really
believe here is that as resources become more
limited and AI is really redefining the game
in terms of all sectors, as healthcare practitioners,
health, mental health, alternative health, we
need to come together. These curriculums and
these schools have to be redone. They have to
have more of an integrated model that shows the
whole person, not just the disease model, you're
sick, take a pill, of which we're not looking
at root causes. We need to be able to teach people
about... how the body can heal. We really need
to help people understand how to ask questions
about their own bodies, really exploring nutrition.
So in these new intake assessments, we really
need to encompass all disciplines to really truly
get at the cures. Ford, looking, where do you
hope the field of trauma recovery will be in
10 years? Where do you hope to see it? Yeah,
so what I see though is more more community based
models I know there's some interventions right
now that the government and some other entities
are testing and I love that I think that's so
cool, but I'll never forget I'll go back to a
time at the University of Michigan and one of
my policy professors Said because I asked about
prevention. There's no money in prevention. You'll
never ever get money from prevention. I'm thinking
Okay, I see what's happening here But again,
prevention to me is about education, educating
our younger generations because we have to look
at the kids that are going to be in our workforces
and those kids who are also going to be purchasers
of managed care services or insurances and all
those things. And we have to look at the drain
on our healthcare systems. And the data is telling
us now that we're at a shortage of healthcare
workers in the community. And that's one of the
things that is so important because if we teach
people, we give people a sense of agency that
says, okay, first of all, don't believe everything
you read on the internet. Okay. that's number
one, but really understand your bodies and then
give them the tools to go and ask those healthcare
professionals those questions. And then healthcare
professionals have to be willing to understand
the right to self -determination that a person
can take the information that they're hearing
and then go test it for themselves, get more
information to support what it is that they need
to live their best lives. So what I see in the
future is that more integration, more disciplines
within these large schools coming together to
work together. I see more of the alternative
and holistic community -based approaches because
right now we see all of these acupuncturists
and energy workers and reiki people and all of
this is scattered. And the idea is let's meet
with the MDs. Let's meet with those traditional
medical doctors. Let's bring chiropractors and
energy healers together with your traditional
primary care. Let's bring this all together and
let's have these conversations. Manage care too.
And let's continue to have the conversation as
it relates to how can we help the individual
understand healing. and how to truly care for
themselves. I love that. And I would love to
see that as well. Wonderful stuff. Thank you
so much, Dr. Antoinette, for joining us. You're
amazing. If anyone in our audience would like
to get in touch with you, what's the best way
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website at www .mismarry, bismboy, mismarry,
ll .live. or they can give us a call at 239 -676
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and TikTok and LinkedIn at Providence Family
Life Center. Wonderful. Thank you so much for
your time. I love all the work you're doing and
I just wish you continued success into the future
and for you personally too as you continue to
recreate your life and to be the person that
you want to be today. Thank you so much. Thank
you, Michelle. I appreciate it. Thanks so much
for joining me today on Her Comeback. I hope
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