Welcome to her comeback. I'm so glad you're back
with me. This is where 50 isn't your finish line.
It is your starting point, the starting point
of everything you want your life to be, the person
that you are meant to be. I'm your host, Michelle
Thompson, and we are proving that your best chapter
may just be the one you haven't written yet.
We'll continue each episode featuring honest
conversation with women who have stopped going
at it alone and have found their way to fulfillment,
joy, and purpose in their second act. You'll
hear about their struggles, their breakthroughs,
and the practical steps that they took to create
lives that they actually love. This podcast will
show you how other women have made their comeback
and how you can too. Welcome back. Hey, good
day everybody. Welcome. I am super excited today
to have Suzanne Doyle Ingram with me. I met Suzanne
in my search for a publisher. This is maybe new
information for my audience. I am working on
a book. I was referred to her from a friend and
she's just wonderful. And I couldn't wait to
have her on the podcast. So welcome please all
the way from Vancouver, Canada. So this is the
Her Come Back podcast goes international today.
Here's Suzanne. Suzanne, welcome. Thank you so
much for having me, Michelle. I'm excited to
be here. Oh, great. I'm so happy to have you.
Let's start off by just give the audience a little
bit of information about you. Okay, so as you
mentioned, I'm in Vancouver, Canada. I'm a mom
of three older kids, almost adults, actually
pretty much, pretty much adults. I love to travel.
I've been to 26 countries and many more to come.
And I speak three languages, English, French
and Japanese. And I'm a book publisher and I've
been publishing books and helping people write
books for this will be my 16th year this year.
And I've worked with over a thousand people all
over the world. everywhere from the U .S. and
Canada to the Netherlands, Malaysia, Romania,
like everywhere. And I just love, love, love
what I do because I get to help people make their
dream of writing a book come true. Oh, that is
wonderful. And you are just a lovely, lovely
person. I have so enjoyed our time together up
to this point, and we still have a ways to go.
So yeah, we have more time together. We do. We
do. I'm going to ask you a few more questions
about your experience and more about you. So
just starting with kind of your own journey and
transformation, I know one of the first things
you shared with me is that you published your
first book under a different name because you
were afraid it would fail and you didn't want
anyone to know it was you. So what changed between
that fear and then becoming someone who teaches
others how to write and to confidently publish?
Well, I think confidence is the key word there.
I wasn't confident. It took me many, many, many
years to gain confidence. I don't know why. If
it was, you know what they say, like something
in your childhood or whatever it was, but I felt
afraid all the time. And so I had, I never even
really wanted to be an entrepreneur. I kind of
happened, you know, after the birth of my first
baby, I just couldn't bear to go back to that
office. It just was like, please no. So I started
working from home, doing some editing and some
writing and, but not really under my name. So
then I was working and I got a job selling magazine
advertising and long story short, when the economy
crashed in 2008 in the U S it obviously affected
Canada as well. And most of my clients, were
American and they decided they didn't want to
pay anymore so I was scrambling I was kind of
freaking out financially I was married at the
time but we weren't okay financially so I won't
go more into that, but anyways, I felt very alone
and I was so, I thought, okay, what am I gonna
do? What I could do is like, I know I can write,
so I'll write a book because Amazon had just
opened up their self -publishing portion of their
business where you can upload your files and
we'll self -publish it. I mean, it's changed
a lot in 15 years, but so I decided to write
a book, but I thought since I'm a big fat failure,
I don't want anyone to know that it's me. Again,
I didn't have the confidence. So I published
that book under a fake name but because I knew
a thing or two about marketing and the traditional
publishers at that time and still quite a bit
today don't know as much about search engine
optimization and keywords and metadata and all
the things that a lot of us know. So I ended
up making it a bestseller and then I was like
scrambling going no it's really me and then I
looked like a crazy person because it wasn't
my name. So then people started how the confidence
grew was people started asking me you know I
remember sitting in a cafe. I would go every
Wednesday because my daughter was taking drama
classes down the way about a half an hour away
from my house. So I would take my laptop and
I would drop her off. It wasn't really enough
time to like drop her off and go home and then
go back. So I just work on my next book and a
couple people would see me there week after week
and say, you know, what are you doing here? Because
it's a small town and that's how I'm writing
a book. And everybody started saying, oh, well.
Thought it was really hard to publish and how
are you gonna do that? I said, no, it's really
not that hard because I realized I didn't know
it at the time But I realized when you have a
gift or a skill that's easy for you It's because
it's a gift and other people don't find it easy.
So This is kind of a long rambling answer to
your question Michelle But I think after helping
a few people do it my confidence grew and I started
thinking okay I can do this. I am good at this.
There may be a million other things I'm not good
at, but this is something that I am good at.
And I want to be able to help people do it. And
I just thought it was strange how easy it was
for me. And I don't know why, but for other people,
it's not easy. So I'm happy to help people. Picket
something you said there and that you said something
you just felt like you were a failure and you
were anything but that. I mean, you are an amazing
woman, a publisher, a writer. You have so, so
many things. So how did you move from knowing,
you know, I am not a failure. It's a little bit,
I think of what you were just saying. Your confidence
grew as you helped people, but, but was there
something else that really helped you with that
pivot? Like, no, I'm not a failure. I can do
stuff. You know, okay a few things and I think
this would be helpful for the listeners if there's
anybody else who has ever felt that way or feels
that way sometimes so One thing was I took a
picture of my first check from Amazon which was
$1 ,200 to me that's like, you know a mortgage
payment like I was so like so so excited so I
took a picture of it and I put it on my wall
in my office and then I also Every time I would
help somebody with their book, if they sent me
a thank you card, I collected those thank you
cards and I had a big whiteboard in my office
and I painted the frame of it gold with this
beautiful gold paint and then I would attach
all the thank you cards all around the bulletin
board. And so it sat on the wall right across
from my desk. And if I ever had a moment where
I thought, oh, this didn't work. Cause I mean,
I failed a lot. I tried a lot of marketing ideas
that didn't work. I wasted a lot of money on
stupid things where you know you get kind of
sucked in by somebody who's like oh i'm a coach
if you pay me five thousand dollars i'll help
you do this and the woman did not come through
so i wasted time and money and also felt betrayed
many times so when i would look at those thank
you cards that would center me and get me back
on track as I as I'd like to say stay on your
path Suzanne and I would say yeah I helped Felicia
I helped Jody I helped Roger I helped Clint I
helped I've helped a lot of people and it just
grounds me again because I don't have that natural
confidence of every single day feeling like I
got this like I mean I think if we're honest
most people most especially women struggle with
that yeah Yeah, I love that idea. What a great
idea. So you mentioned a little bit your you
had you were married to 20 plus years that you
were married and you've gone through a divorce.
So how did that life transition influence your
work and your mission as you continue to help
others? Great question. Yeah, you know, I'm very
fortunate that my ex husband and I are friends
and it's. made for a wonderful transition because
my kids are so happy about that. It took a little
while. We had a situation with one of our kids
that was really, really struggling and it made
my ex and I really come together. We had to band
together. We had to work together. And so although
the situation was sad and awful, it was good
that we had that. But I think for me, it was
this pivot where I thought that my mantra in
my head was, if it's to be, it's up to me. Like,
I literally have no one, which can be a very
scary thing. And I still feel that to this day.
I'm like, I don't have wealthy parents that are
going to take care of me. I only have one parent
left, my mom, and I don't have a husband or a
partner. And so it does scare me sometimes, but
then I think... Wait a second. Look at all the
clients I've had over the years. Look like over
a thousand people. There's more coming. There's
always more coming. And I used to think one of
my mentors once I said to them, when I first
started, I had a goal to make $10 ,000 and I
made it immediately. And I said to my mentor,
I think I'm just lucky. What if I'm just lucky?
You know, that feeling of what if it all goes
away and the mentor. I said, Suzanne, there's
an expression, the harder I work, the luckier
I get. And I know that I have a strong work ethic
and I can always support myself, my kids and
my family. I always can. Like there's nothing
that could stop me. Like, even if, God forbid,
I'm not able to walk or something, I still am
able to talk and get on Zoom calls and still
help people. I'm lucky that I have a job that
I can do from anywhere in the world. I have spent
a lot of time at hospitals with my mom and I
just take my laptop. I'm just like, I'm working
in the corner over here today. So I think after
the divorce, I had about a three month period
where I was panicked, like, how am I going to
do it? How am I going to do it? And my friend
said to me, you're already doing it. You can
do this you've got this you've been doing it
for years so i just have to pull that out sometimes
and always remember i can do this. Awesome great
great you say that you don't consider yourself
a writer you said that before but you've written
all of these books and i know you just. Before
we started recording here, you were saying that
there's two books that may be coming out this
year. So what do you mean by that when you say
you're not a writer? And what would you say to
other women who think I'm not a writer either?
And what's the reason why they would challenge
themselves there? Yeah, thanks for asking that.
It's funny because I have been saying that for
years. Like, I'm not really a writer, but I've
written more than 20 books or co -written, written
and co -written. Sometimes I just do like one
chapter and an anthology. I feel like there are
people who love writing and I call those quote
-unquote real writers I'm like those are the
real writers the ones who love to write and they
have special pens and special books and they
they can go to a cafe and they can write for
hours and I'm not like that I need to know like
I'm just really I'm like, okay, this is the purpose
of this book. This is who I'm writing it for.
These are the questions that are going through
their mind that I'm going to answer in my book.
This is how I'm going to help them. It's very,
very strategic. And that's how I teach business
people how to write books that are going to help
them with their business. So when I have an outline,
I literally don't like writing at all. I have
to make myself do it. The book that I'm working
on right now, I was telling you about, well,
I have two books, but the one I'm just going
to, just a little quickie. It's so funny, it's
so like, it's really just a quickie little book.
I'm doing that just to support a new program
that I'm launching for, it's called Beyond the
Book. It's for what happens after the book for
business people who have a book. And so I thought,
oh, I'll just throw together a little book. I'll
put it on Amazon, sell it for 15 or $20, but
I'll also just give it away as part of an advertising
campaign. So for me, I'm like, oh yeah, boom,
boom, boom. Yeah, no problem. It literally is
that simple, but because I don't feel like a
writer, I think writers enjoy writing. And at
the end of the day, they look back and go, oh,
what a great day I had today I was able to write.
I don't ever feel that way. I just get it done.
It's just sort of like cleaning your house, right?
You got to do it to get what you want. You want
a clean house, right? So it's just sort of a
means to an end for me. And for other people
who are listening, if they wish they had a book,
I just say, you are over -complicating it. It's
literally not that big of a deal. If you know
how to do the foundational work, write a proper
outline, like I just alluded to, who are you
writing it for? Why are you writing this? How
much do you wanna put in? How much do you not
wanna put in? Like if you have a mentor to help
you, it's really helpful. I think that people...
Don't look at it as little building blocks. Okay,
first I'm gonna think about who I'm writing it
for that I'm gonna write an outline then every
single day I'm gonna write a thousand words or
every Saturday I'm gonna write from 9 until noon
or whatever. The goals are it's literally one
word at a time That's how you do it and don't
take shortcuts like using chat GPT or anything
like that it has to come from you because You
are unique. You have a message. It's all the
things that you've been saying to your clients
for years and years and years. That's what goes
in the book and it's already up here. So everything
is already inside of you. You just need to be
organized. So that's what I have to say about
that, about being a writer. There's something
that I was thinking about as you were sharing
that and on our last coaching call, one of the
things that was said was just Write the book
keep it simple if you really want to get into
complicated stuff make that your second book
But the first book keep it simple so I like the
way that conversation winner Yeah, and you know
one of our members in our group the other day
was saying she had a cut a bunch of stuff Oh,
she's like, I don't know what I was thinking.
I just kept thinking I meant she goes I over
complicated I kept adding more and more and more
and more and I said The stuff that you added,
was that on your outline? No, the outline is
like an agreement you make with yourself. So
you don't start writing until you go, this is
it. This is solid. This is my book. If you have
other ideas that come, you can think, hmm, does
this belong in this book or is this some other
day? Put it in a folder called the other stuff,
but just focus on your book. Otherwise it will
take you years and years and years. And it shouldn't
take that long to write a book. The other topic
that I wanted to just pick out a little bit too
was the AI piece everybody it's AI Everything
everywhere we go today and that's another been
another topic in our coaching calls Don't do
it. You just talk a little bit more about that.
Like why you wouldn't want to use AI and the
importance of that Don't use AI to write your
book In September, I had counted there were seven
books that came across my desk where the people
said, hey, I'm looking for a publisher. I just
finished writing my book. Seven in a row were
ruined by AI. And a couple of the people looked
me straight in the eye on a Zoom call and said,
I didn't use AI. And I said, I don't really work
with liars. Sorry, you did. Your book is crap.
I didn't say that. In my mind, I said that because
the problem with AI is it strips out all personality.
I was like, you need to go through it again and
put in the stories about when you worked with
this client that had this result and that sort
of thing. So AI strips out your personality.
Also, I can't. the way AI writes in short choppy
sentences. And the rhythm of the book is like,
boom, boom, boom, boom. You feel like you're
being punched in the face by an AI book. It's
awful. Normal writing will have a rhythm to it
where it's a long sentence, long sentence, short,
short, long, long. Like it's like music. It should
be like music. If you read someone like Margaret
Atwood and the way she writes is just like so
beautiful. So I'm not saying that every one of
my business authors is the best writer in the
whole entire world, but what I'm saying is AI,
first of all, will ruin your book. Some people
say, oh no, no, I wrote the whole thing. I just...
quote unquote, ran it through AI. My friend told
me to run it through AI just to check for grammar.
It's not an editor. Please hire a human being
editor. There are many, many very good human
being editors who have, you know, master's degrees
in English literature or linguistics, and they
are the people who should be editing your book.
Okay, so you can tell I get so upset about this.
Now, having said all that, so don't use AI to
write your book. Don't use AI to edit your book.
You can use AI to help you with things like,
this is my target ideal reader who also is your
ideal client. What are they worried about? What
kind of things do you think that I could put
in my book that might be helpful for them? You
can use it for research with stuff like that.
But in terms of, you know, using it for writing,
absolutely a terrible idea. No, please, please
don't. Please don't. I wanted to just mention
that because it is such a hot topic in today's
world and just wanted to get your thoughts. So
thank you for sharing that. And you know, sorry,
one other thing that just came to mind, Michelle,
about AI is that I think that we as a society
are accustomed to things being easy. We just
want everything to be easy. And I say to my clients
and I say to my kids, you have to do what you
don't want to do to have what you want to have.
You know, I'm trying to lose 10 pounds right
now. I'm not eating donuts every day. I want
to. I took my son to the store yesterday to buy
ice cream. I thought that was very generous of
me since I can't have any of it, but there's
no easy way. Like, I mean, I'm not saying, I
mean, you can't, there are ways to make it easier,
right? Like having a coach or something like
that, but there's no easy button for writing
a book. I do believe that when you have a really
solid outline the book just flows out of you
and there are easier ways to do it but you can't
just unless you want to hire a ghostwriter which
starts at $30 ,000 you're gonna have to do the
work you have to and you might as well do it
quickly rip the bandaid off why take years when
you can get it done in three or four months just
write and write and write and write and write
and stop it's just like having a baby you know
get it out Just talk about your entrepreneurial
journey. One of the things that you shared as
you went from a $25 church hall rental to a 10
year running program. What? That's a big leap.
So what was the scariest part of that leap and
what almost made you quit? Oh, wow. So I rented
the local church hall for $25 because I had people
kept asking me like, oh, how did you write a
book and how do you do it and how do you get
it on Amazon? And so I sold tickets for $97 and
20 people bought. So I made just under $2 ,000.
for this, it was about a six hour or full day
kind of seminar thing. And I loved every minute
of it. I stood in front and I basically put it
into like six 45 minute sessions where I would
say like, here's how to choose your topic. And
then here's how to write your outline. And here's
some ideas for like, you know, saving time and
everything, formatting, cover design, getting
it on Amazon. So. I loved it so much that I realized,
okay, wait a second, there's obviously a demand
for this more than my little town of 5 ,000 people.
So I decided to put it online. So the exact same
workshop that I taught that day, I filmed myself
talking. And what did I use then? I don't think
we even had zoom back then. I can't remember.
Oh, some of it was like, some of it was like
audio recordings, and it was just scraped it
together. And at that time, I was using an online
platform called click funnels. And so I just
made it I just uploaded all the videos and the
worksheets and everything in there. It was very
rough. very rough and what's really funny about
it Michelle is that over the years I kept thinking
oh my gosh I got to reshoot all these videos
I got to reshoot all these they're so old I'm
now it's actually 16 years ago that I shot some
of those videos so I look older a lot has changed
And I remember about five years ago, I had a
business coach and we did a little bit of a exchange
where we still paid each other, but it was almost
the exact same amount of money where in exchange
for his business coaching, I was going to publish
his book. So it was funny, like the same amount
of money went back and forth every month for
our payments. Uh, and he's, he was a great guy
and I said to him, okay, I'm kind of embarrassed
because listen, you're my business coach and
I really respect you. So you're going to log
into the members area. You're going to die. It's
so bad. It's so all the files are old. The videos
are old. So I'm waiting for his feedback. He
goes perfectly fine. Don't waste your time reshooting
those videos. The message is there. You're saying
exactly what you need to say. Nobody cares. And
so as you know, Michelle, because you're in my
program, some of those videos are so old. It's
ridiculous. I do really feel like I need to reshoot
them. But again, I know someone that took about
four years to put together an online course because
it needed to be perfect. So my philosophy is
build the plane as you're flying it. You know,
like my program that is launching in, let me
see, about 10 days. 10 days. Oh, yeah. 11 days.
My program, my new program is launching. I'm
like, I'm not ready, but I have people who have
signed up. I'll be ready. It's no problem. But,
you know, sell the tickets before you even build
the program, because then you have a fire lit
under you. And obviously you have to deliver.
I don't care if you have to stay up till three
o 'clock in the morning. You have to deliver.
Tell us about your new program. What is that
about? Oh, well. I have a few. So the new one
is called Beyond the Book and it's the website
is beyondthebookprogram .com and basically it's
for business people like you'll probably join
this program Michelle. People who have written
a book and then they launch the book and then
they go okay now what? So it's a year -long mastermind
where we meet twice a month. It's very reasonably
priced because I really just want to help people
and every every two weeks basically twice a month
we get together and we look at getting you on
podcasts, getting speaking engagements. Some
people might want to do a workshop, some people
might want to do an online course. So it's about
accountability, also keeping track of key performance
indicators depending on what the business is.
So if you're a coach, okay well I want to know
how many strategy calls did you have booked this
week? How many of them were a good fit and you
offered to join your program? How many sales
did you have? actually kind of business coaching
decide disguised as book coaching. I can definitely
see a need for that. That's great. Now, is there
another new one in the works? No, I don't have
another. Yes. Oh, actually, I do. So I've got
my expert author program, which is how to write
a book. And then a new program called Self Publishing
Hive, where of course, I've been doing like done
for you publishing, which is many, many thousands
of dollars because it's a lot of work and I have
a team of designers and cover designers and editors
and everything. But what my business partner
and I are doing is a program called Self Publishing
Hive, where it teaches people how to self -publish
their book on their own. Again, very reasonably
priced and includes coaching calls too. So people
can go in, look at, oh, here's how I need to
design the cover or here's how I figure out the
margins or what size book I need. based on my
15 years of experience and Heather's 15 years
of experience saying, oh, no, no, no, no, don't
do it five inches by eight and a half inches.
Bad idea. It won't get accepted by Amazon. It
has to be this, this or this. And it'll save
people so much time and grief, honestly. So that's
self -publishing, self -publishing hive. And
then I have the Beyond the Book program. And
I think that'll be it for 2026. You have so many
wonderful things going on. You and I both are
similar ages. And what motivates you at this
stage of your life? You're making new programs.
You're certainly a very successful publishing
company and all. author, what is motivating you
in this chapter of your life? Right now, what's
motivating me is making sure that people don't
get ripped off. There's a lot of bad people out
there that'll take your money. And like I said,
I was lied to at the tune of $5 ,000 by somebody
years ago. And in the publishing industry, people
come to me all the time and say, I paid somebody
ten thousand dollars and I don't know where my
book is and it's so that happened to me on a
plane and it was an older woman and I just my
heart was breaking and so I think that's the
key for me even some someone recently I'm going
to be doing her book in the spring she came to
me and she said oh my last book cost me so much
money so much money and I said what was it that
cost you so much money what do you mean I thought
that's kind of a strange thing to say. And she
said, well, the printing company. And I was like,
do you know about print on demand? You don't
need a thousand books in your garage. And she
goes, oh, I still have hundreds of books under
my bed. I'm like, what? No, that's not how it
works. And so I feel like I have an obligation
to educate people, to help them understand. And
the thing is with self -publishing, you do have
to spend a little bit of money. So there's backlash
from people who go, oh, you charge people money,
you're a bad person. And I go, well, it's because
I have 15 years of experience and I'm saving
them years and pain. So you can't get it edited
for free. You shouldn't design your own book
cover. You should pay somebody to do that for
you. First of all. I'm telling you 100 % of the
time, they never get accepted by Amazon because
they're not the right size. That's one of my
biggest pet peeves. So there's that. And then
there are some fees associated with it. But like
I said, either you do it yourself. for a low
amount of money and a lot of time, or you pay
somebody to do it all for you for more money
and have it done quicker. So it's up to you.
But I think for me right now, my main focus is
getting the word out about the reality of the
publishing industry and helping people make smart
choices for their business in terms of their
budget, their timeline and their goals. And I
turn people away all the time where I'm like,
no, I'm not the right publisher for you, but
maybe this person over here is, you know. Also,
if I just don't really like the topic. But I
think protecting people. I'm a mama bear. I'm
a mom of three. And I just don't I get very,
very upset when I find out somebody has paid
somebody a huge amount of money for nothing.
Like someone else told me they put a deposit.
of $14 ,000 and never got anything. And then
came to me saying, hey, can you help me? But
they said, well, I can't pay you anything because
I've already paid somebody else $14 ,000. And
I was like, I'm sorry, I'm running a business.
So I can't work for free because I'm sad for
you. But there's a lot of it out there. I can
hear yourself. passionate about your work and
what you do. And I love that. It's just the energy
and your passion. It's exciting. And I really
love that about you. Just one more question here.
What would you say is the biggest myth about
writing a book, something that maybe keeps people
stuck? Or what is it that you see in people's
journey there? Well, what I said before was that
they overcomplicate it because they think of
it as, you know, a huge, huge, huge thing. So
that another myth about it is that that a traditional
publisher is gonna get you, you know, Oprah Winfrey.
It's not. A traditional publisher typically takes
a long, long, long time. They're gonna want somebody
who has a huge social media presence. And I don't
mean 400 followers. I mean a million followers.
I've had people that say to me, oh, I've got
tons of followers on LinkedIn. I have literally
400 people. And I'm like, oh, sorry, that's not
a lot. I guess also, it comes down to that fear
and that insecurity, like, who's going to read
my book anyway? Like, who am I to write a book?
I don't think I have what it takes to write a
book. But if you're a human being on this planet
and you've lived your life, you are you have
an incredible story. And I always say there are
no ordinary people. I think it's so fascinating
how every time I talk to somebody and we all
make, you know, presuppositions about people
and then we talk to them and find out they've
you know they run a non -profit like just one
of my one of my um clients I never knew she runs
a non -profit in Nepal helping women. I was like,
what? Sign me up. What are you talking about?
I told her I was invited to speak at a conference
in Nepal. She goes, oh, I have a non -profit
in Nepal. So this is an example of people who
are so extraordinary. Your story is extraordinary,
Michelle. And so I love. to help people believe
in themselves. And I say, I will believe in you
and you can borrow my belief until you have it
for yourself. Because it's so important to share
who you are with the world because another expression
that I always say is to the world, you might
be one person, but to one person, you might be
the world. I love that. What a great saying.
I love that. I know the group that I've been
a part of. Some of the people are a bit younger
and myself being at midlife. How many would you
say midlife women come in and for their first
book, you're just now coming into this experience.
Do you see that often or? Yes. Say about that.
Yes. Almost all of my clients, like I would say
90 % of my clients are. over 45. And when I run
advertising campaigns on Facebook, I choose 45
to 60 years old. Though I rarely have young people
join my program. I think there's one right now,
but is there one or two? I don't know what it
is, Michelle, but I really love working with
coaches and consultants. And I think sometimes
you have to have enough life experience to become
a coach or a consultant. I think that Most of
my clients are women. I say I work with women
entrepreneurs and some really cool men. And for
the women, I can just really relate to them.
I think they can relate to me. We've all had
our struggles and our challenges and the world
is very, very different than it is for women
and men. It's completely different when I hear
a man on a podcast saying the first 90 minutes
of my day, I do this and this and that. And I
was on a podcast once and this guy was saying
this to me. And then he said, what about you?
And I was like, I have three children. I don't
sit around meditating. What are you talking about?
And I had young kids at the time. I was like,
so you have a wife. Oh, that's awesome for you.
Like I was, I didn't even think the podcast was
going to air because I really pissed him off.
But yeah. So to answer your question, yes, I
work with a lot of women between 45 and 60 who
I think are finally at an age where their kids
are older, they may be divorced, they may still
be married, but they're like, I have time now
to write a book. The books I wrote when my kids
were little, I wrote from 10 o 'clock at night
until midnight, and I was exhausted. For three
years, I was exhausted. You know what? My oldest
is 24 years old, and sometimes I say to my kids,
I've been tired for 24 years. Don't tell me you're
tired. So I don't know if that answers your question.
I kind of want to know. I did. Very good. I so
appreciate our time, Suzanne. You are just a
wonderful, wonderful person. And it's just a
pleasure to have met you and to be part of this
journey with you as I write my book and work
with you in the publishing process. It's just
a very exciting time for me. And I couldn't be
I couldn't have picked a better person. to be
working with. So thank you so much. So if our
viewers, anyone listening would like to reach
out to you or contact you, what's the best way
for them to contact you? They can go to my website
prominencepublishing .com and you can book a
call with me if you want to talk about a book
or connect with me on LinkedIn. I'm the only
Suzanne Doyle Ingram that I know of. So I'm on
LinkedIn also Facebook. I'm on Facebook as well.
You can follow me there. Like I said, the only
Suzanne Doyle Ingram though, even if you feel
like you're not ready, this is a problem. Sometimes
people say I'm going to write the whole entire
book and then I'll talk to her. No, don't do
that. Please let me guide you from the beginning
because then And then we have an opportunity
to make sure it's set up right. Because I've
had quite a few people come. They are nervous.
And I'm not a big deal. I'm just me, right? Usually
sitting in my pajamas working on my computer,
you know? So don't be intimidated. So book a
call just to kind of get set up. It's a free
call. We can get you set up. Maybe you come back
a few months later. Maybe you join the program.
We'll figure it out. But definitely no pressure.
So LinkedIn, Facebook, and prominencepublishing
.com. Wonderful. Thank you so much, Suzanne.
I wish you continued success in everything that
you're doing. And thank you for coming in and
being a part of the show today. Thank you, Michelle.
Thanks for having me. Thank you so much for spending
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