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Father, we honor you. It is a privilege to do

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what we do, and we don't take this lightly when

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we say we get to do this. We really mean it.

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Our hearts in what we're doing. We pray for our

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listeners today that they will be inspired, will

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be encouraged, will be motivated, maybe even

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challenged to think and rethink things, especially

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when it comes to their walk with you. We pray

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for those that are Christ curious, that are examining

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faith and examining what it might be to follow

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Jesus, and we pray for them to jump on in with

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us. So Lord, we do what we do for your honor

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and your glory in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. It's

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Wednesday, September 30th, 2026. We get to do

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this. This is episode number 52. Well hello get

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to nation hello believers in Christ curious it

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is episode number 52 of we get to do this hello

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my brother brother man we're just turning them

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out aren't we 52? That's happening. We've got

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a whole year. It's crazy. It'll accelerate. I

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think November, we're going to see if we can

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take even more of your time. Come on now. I got

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plenty of time to spare. I mean, if we're going

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to do Adam Monday, are you just going to do it

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at home? That's your Sabbath, man. I can't wait

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for you. No, I'll come up here, man. Really?

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Yeah. I like doing it in the studio. It's more

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fun when you can see who you're talking to. It

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is nice. I agree. Just to start things off, during

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my quiet time, which every morning, like you,

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I used to never set an alarm, but now I set my

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alarm every day, 6 .30 I get up, it's before

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Tina gets up, before the dog is awake, I do the

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coffee and everything. And I pray and I ask the

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Holy Spirit, whatever you show me today, let

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me recognize it as something that I need to look

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at or something I need to discard, whatever's

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coming my way before I open screens and all that.

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get into the word and the devotional, and something

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like, I've been thinking about this, you know,

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we talk about a biblical worldview, and we say

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that so easily, and I don't know how many people

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really understand that if they're just curious,

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Christ curious, what does that really mean? And

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it hit me. There's this movie that was seminal

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for me in the No Agenda show over the past 20

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years. It's called They Live, and it stars Roddy

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Piper, who was a professional wrestler, remember

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him. You've probably seen the memes from this

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movie where you put on these glasses, they're

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kind of like Ray -Bans, and all of a sudden you

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see the billboards. They don't say, you know,

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buy this. It says obey. And you look at people

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and they look like robots, kind of metallic robots.

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Have you ever seen these memes? It's a movie

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people should should really see because I realized

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it is the whole thing is a metaphor. And it's

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done by John Carpenter. This is one of his early

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movies. I think it was from 88. And and actually

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much later, Roddy Piper, before he passed away.

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sent a note to Hulk Hogan in 2024 saying, you

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know, hey brother, you know, I hope you find

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your walk with Jesus, which Hulk Hogan then did

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before he passed away. And this whole movie was

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a metaphor for putting on glasses and having

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a biblical worldview. In this case, it was kind

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of, you're seeing the robots who control everything

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and, you know, the new world order, but it's

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really the same concept of, and there's scripture

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about it too. You know of seeing things that

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were unseen or actually, you know, you don't

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even see the unseen, you know Believing in the

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things that aren't seen right but this I urge

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people to get it's kind of hokey. It's kind of

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a I don't know. It's you know, it's not a great

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movie. I'll be honest about it. You can probably

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find it on youtube That's how how the right old

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and hokey it is, but it really it hit me like

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that is what it is like You you get saved and

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you are able to look at things with a different

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view, look beyond them, and sometimes see even

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what's not there. Does that make any sense? Yes,

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it does. Because that is having a biblical worldview.

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It's like putting on glasses, the Ray -Bans,

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as you said. It's like putting on these Ray -Bans

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that now when you put them on, you see things

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different. And once you've seen, you can't unsee.

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So, the signs that you see in the movie with

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these glasses on, you see, obey, consume, conform,

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no independent thoughts, stay asleep, marry,

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reproduce, submit, watch TV. The money says,

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this is your God. Wow. I mean, think about the

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significance of that, you know, for you cannot

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serve two masters. Just all of this stuff. I'm

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like, if you're wondering what it's like and

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why we sound so happy, most of the time. It's

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because we have, they're not real glasses of

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course, but once you see, you understand the

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invisible things like the steps, like in Indiana

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Jones, like I am going to step over, you've given

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this metaphor. Oh yeah, I love that metaphor.

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I'm going to take this leap of faith knowing

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that I'm not going to fall down into the ravine,

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but there will be steps, you know, stepping stones

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that just appear and then I can walk on them.

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and it just hit me like, man, if you want to

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understand what we're talking about with biblical

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worldview, that's literally it. Unfortunately,

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not quite as simple as just putting some glasses

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on and you see it right away. It doesn't quite

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work that way. Well, I mean, a lot of it has

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to do with understanding, not just understanding,

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but knowing the Word of God in terms of reading

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it and spending time in it. Because whatever

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we consume, whatever we're dieting on, whether

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it's the old gigo thing, garbage in, garbage

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out, you leak out what you're full of, whatever

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you consume is what's going to come out. But

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not only does it come out in outcomes or behaviors,

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it comes out in the way you think and then the

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way you perceive, the way you see things. So

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to change your worldview doesn't just mean studying

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more about the world. It's actually shaping it

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through the grid or the lens. putting on glasses,

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the lens of Scripture. And that's what's changed

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my life, is being able to read the Bible on a

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daily basis. And a lot of times it's like, it's

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Miyagi, it's wax on wax off. You're doing it

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and it is something that gives you something

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every day, but really there's a bigger thing

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going on. It's reshaping the way you see the

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world. It's reshaping your vantage point or your

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viewpoint. or your angle, your line of sight

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changes. I'm doing two things this week. I'm

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doing a wedding and a funeral. Those are two

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vastly different scenarios. And a whole bunch

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of baptisms. Lots of baptisms, yeah. A lot of

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new life there, and yet a celebration of life

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too, because the man that passed was very godly

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and was really a model for us all. So that's

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a beautiful thing. Those are very wildly different

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settings. And yet from a believer with a biblical

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worldview, I don't see those that much different.

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They're celebrations, both of them, of life.

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And so because this was a believer that passed,

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sadly it was a tragic accident that took his

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life at 74 years of age, yet he was such a man

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of God and a man who carried Christ, he was a

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Christ carrier, that it's a celebration. You

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can't help but celebrate. Of course, we mourn,

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we grieve. That's normal. That's a gift from

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God. That's God's pressure release valve. And

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it's a gift, but it's weird when you're doing

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it. But there is a time to grieve, but there's

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also a time to dance, a time to celebrate. And

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Ecclesiastes. Ecclesiastes, I'm sorry, yes. I'm

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just thinking birds. Whenever I hear that. You're

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thinking E's. Yeah, just whatever E it is. It's

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an E name. Yes, I just hear the seasons from

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the birds. Yeah, so yeah, there's that. So anyway,

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to me it's like my worldview helps me navigate

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both of those scenes with joy. When I heard of

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John's passing, because that's who we're talking

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about, I had those emotions all at once. Now,

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distinguish, because a lot of your friends are

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going to think John Dvorak we're talking about.

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Thank you for saying that. No, this is about

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John who was in our church. And I know John has

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spoken to John, his wife Kathy, but also they

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sit on the front row on the other side. So whenever

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I look to the right, I would always see him.

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There's always a nod or a smile. He was quite

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distinguishable to look at. But I had... those

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feelings at the same time, like, oh, you know,

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mourning for Kathy, mourning just for his family,

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just the shock of it, but at the same time, like,

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I know where he is. And we, we have a glimpse.

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We don't know fully, but we know partially what

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he's seeing, what he's experiencing. What we've

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heard from other people. Yeah. And, and this

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is really this, you know, death is, is what the,

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that's funny. They have been thinking about this

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a lot late. Death is the number one marketing

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tool, you know. Actually, I don't want to get

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to that in a second because we got a call in

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between these two shows from friends of ours.

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We've only known them recently and they're in

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California and they called up together, which

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was odd. And they say, we want to understand

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about this religion thing you guys are into.

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We were like, so first I'm on the phone like

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hold on a second put I'm put on speakerphone

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It was the first time that someone actually came

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to us with the type of questions that I had and

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that Tina had when we were just following on

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this on this path and I had the feeling that

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gave us both was like wow and and you know, we're

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we're what's coming out of our mouths is things

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that we had heard when we were just starting

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out, but also A little bit of wisdom, a little

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bit of things that we've learned over time. And

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I just can't describe that feeling, man. We were

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giddy for about two days. Wow, that was really

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kind of cool, wasn't it? Yeah, it's a buzz. I

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didn't know that that's a thing. It is a thing.

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It was like, wow, this is like an upgrade somehow.

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I think I said when you shot me a text about

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it, I think I said, you got bit by the evangelism

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bug. Yeah. Because when you get a chance to share

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your faith and you know it's landing with somebody

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who's asking questions, then man, kudos to them,

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first of all, for them taking the effort and

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walking in humility to reach out to you guys

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and ask about it. Yes. That's huge right there.

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That's half the battle right there. What's interesting

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is they're asking questions that say, I'm sorry

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to push back. You're not pushing back, you're

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asking questions. Good questions, yeah. But that

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feels like I'm pushing back. His wife is a lawyer,

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you know, so she didn't want to come up. I said,

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no, no, the questions are the questions. Good

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questions, yeah. And it was so interesting to

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hear, like, well, doesn't that just mean being

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good people? You know, all the things that come

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up in your... What do you answer when someone

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says, well, doesn't that just mean being a good

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person? Well, there is a snarky comeback on that

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one that, you know, the road to hell is paved

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with good intentions. I didn't play that card.

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I probably wouldn't do that either. That's kind

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of an insider joke, but even the devils knew

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Jesus. They knew who He was, and they knew the

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Word of God, but yet they just trembled. They

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didn't know Him per se. But no, it's not just

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about being good. In fact, the Bible even says

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that our righteousness is as filthy rags before

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God. In other words, the best we can be on our

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own still comes up short. Because we're not talking

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about just bad behavior here. This isn't behavior

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modification 101. This is actually having the

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sin issue in our life completely eradicated,

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dealt with, put under the blood of Christ, dealt

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with forever. for eternity. It's kind of the

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wrong question, but it's well -meaning. I'm not

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dissing their questions at all. These are legitimate

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questions that people have, but the answers are

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on a different plane and a different line. It's

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almost like they're at zero feet and you're at

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30 ,000 feet. Not that you're above them, it's

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just a different perspective. When someone's

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asking about, because my mom did that with me,

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She said, well, son, I'm a good person. I said,

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mom, good's not good enough. No, no, we've all

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sinned and come short of the glory of God. You

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can go to Scripture on all that. But anyway,

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what great questions and their openness is just

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amazing. And I found it interesting that eventually

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it comes around to eternal life. And this is

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a big one for me personally, and that comes kind

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of back to the fear of death thing. I really

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have that. I don't, I know where I'm going. I

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know what's going to happen. I may be in the

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upper deck in the nosebleed seats, but you know,

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I get in. And with that, I just realized how,

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cause I come from marketing, you know, my whole

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career has been media and death is always, the

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number one way to sell something. If you don't

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drive this truck, you will die an unhappy man.

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If you don't drink this beer, you will die a

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man who never had a beautiful woman on his arm.

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And conversely, I don't have to tell you all

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the different things and how they market to women.

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But I also noticed this, and so there's been

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some convergence lately of both technology and

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faith, but actually not really faith, more of

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evil. So the big, we've talked about this, the

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biggest marketing push of the last, you know,

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maybe 180 days has been AI is so powerful, we're

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all gonna die. Which is, you have to look at

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it as marketing, you know, but it is, when you

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bring up fear of death, everybody jumps on it.

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I can get clicks, I can get all kinds of - It

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garners attention. I can get all kinds of stuff.

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So I just wanna play a couple of examples because

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they really start to bleed over into what I now

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consider our realm, which is faith and how people

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look at the world. And we'll start first with

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just listen to the words. The report is what

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the report is because, oh yeah, we're all afraid

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AI is going to kill us. All right, let's discuss

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the elephant in the room. Artificial intelligence

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is taking over. Public dialogue, that is. And

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maybe the world, too. Are we screwed? Depends

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on who you're asking. I'm sure you've seen the

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headlines. There are industry experts that are

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warning that artificial intelligence could soon

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spiral out of human control and kill all of us.

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My kids really enjoyed hearing this last week.

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Others say that we have got about a year left

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to regulate it until... And it's not just coming

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from tech critics. Lawmakers in Washington, even

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AI leaders seriously themselves, have gotten

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in on the end times chatter too. This caught

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my ear. Oh, we're now in end times. End times

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chatter. So now you have my attention because

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I'm not afraid of the AI marketing. But what

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are you doing with this end time stuff? Do you

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believe? earnestly believe that AI could kill

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all humans. And what percent chance do you think

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it is? If we take the right paths, then the chance

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of something going wrong is very low. If we take

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the wrong path... This to me sounded like you

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can turn right or you can turn left. I'm just

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hearing all these biblical metaphors start to

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pop up in popular culture when it comes to this

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topic. Then the chance of something going wrong...

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could be could be even higher than that no i

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think they are the potential danger they are

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is probably greater than nuclear weapons god

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forbid we have a charitable god for some point

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here that really causes harm to people a i is

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no longer it reaches that point where it's no

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longer a tool of human beings it's an independent

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species while it comes to terminate Doom casting

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on both sides of the aisle. It goes to show how

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widespread the concern is about AI. So doom casting,

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doomerism. This is a real trend that is out there.

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People are talking about the doomers. Of course,

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that goes with the zoomers and the boomers. Now

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we got the doomers, we got doomerism. To me,

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it's like a doomerang. It just comes all the

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way back around. I got to write that one down.

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Over and over. Hey, that'd be a good show time.

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Yes, it would. Over and over and again. It's

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the same thing over and over again. The doomerang.

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So there's even this, you know, in statistics

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where you have a P number and the P number that's

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in P in brackets, the letter P, that's like the

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variable that you put into a model. So now people

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are asking, what's your P doom number? Look,

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I'm here to bring what's coming from the outside

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and that's what it is. Doomerism is a big thing.

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So Saturday Night Live, which I haven't watched

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in ages. Me either. It got unfunny for a while,

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and also it was too late, honestly. And I got

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other things to do on a Saturday night. One of

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the actresses did Dario Amadei, and it was appropriate

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for her to do it because she kind of looked like

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him. But then listen to how they portray what

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he was saying. Anthrobic CEO Dario. Amadei had

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recently stumbled through a press tour where

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he agreed with a former Anthropic employees claim

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that there's a 10 % chance of AI wiping out humanity

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within 10 years. Here to comment is Anthropic

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CEO, Dario Amadei. Thanks for having me, Michael.

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I may have been alarming in my recent interviews,

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but I want to assure you that if we can pressure

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lawmakers to create guardrails, we will be able

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to stop me. Dario, can you just explain how your

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company isn't going to kill us? So, so the hard

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question. It shouldn't be. You know, come on,

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Dario. Come on, Dario. You can do this. What's

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that? Is this how this guy actually talks? Well,

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well, the the so so so bits. But now now the

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actor is doing a glitching. You're now but now

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doing a come on, Dario, you can do it. And then

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the devil. Voice from the other side. Okay, so

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you see where I'm going with this now. Come on

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Dario, you can do this. Just reassure them. I

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will. AI is the devil and I its maker. What?

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No, well, so look, Sam Altman, myself, all the

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major AI players, we have talked about this extensively

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and we are all on the same page here. We do not

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condone what we are doing. Wow. But this is...

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people listen to this, and it seems like, okay,

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AI is the devil. AI is the antichrist. Now, this

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is where you get into a realm where a lot of

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people are talking about stuff like this. And

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in fact, there's a book out now by Naomi Klein,

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not to be confused with Naomi Wolf, who without

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her knowing it was instrumental in my faith journey.

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Klein is a professor. She wrote Shock Doctrine.

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I think she also wrote… Let me see. I think I

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wrote it down. She wrote Doppelganger. She's

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been around. She's an annoying person to me personally,

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but the shock doctrine was actually pretty good.

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And the shock doctrine literally is how politics

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and marketing shock people into, you know, changing

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behavior, whether it's consumer behavior. behavior

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in the world, faith, all these different things.

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So this is interesting when someone like this

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comes up with a book called End Times Fascism.

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Wow. Okay, there's a mixture of... Yes, and points

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towards... AI. And again, we've got end times.

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Now, of course, fascism, you know, just throwing

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some Trump hate stuff. But it's just a quick

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intro to that book. The CEO of Anthropic, one

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of the biggest artificial intelligence companies

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in the world, warned this week that if AI companies

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don't slow down their development and install

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some guardrails, rogue AI agents might be able

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to take control of the Internet in six to 12

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months. The warning has revved up a debate about

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whether AI or advanced AI could escape human

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control and literally threaten human survival,

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which sounds again like dystopian science fiction,

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and yet here we are actually having that discussion.

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But there's something stranger happening than

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all of this. These dire warnings from tech leaders

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are growing alongside an increase in talk in

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fundamentalist Christian circles about whether

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we are entering the so -called end times. you

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know, the biblical doomsday prophecy of the end

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of the world leading up to the second coming

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of Christ. And thanks to today's politics— Which,

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by the way, somehow I don't think this guy knows

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what he's talking about at all. He just rattles

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off, you know, the end times, you know, and then

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the second coming of Christ, you know, you know,

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you heard about this somewhere, didn't you, Sunday

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School? End times. You know, the biblical doomsday

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prophecy of the end of the world leading up to

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the second coming of Christ. And thanks to today's

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politics, This isn't a fringe idea. It's being

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discussed by Vice President JD Vance. Take a

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listen to what the actual Vice President of these

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United States said two weeks ago during an interview

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on a Christian podcast. While I wouldn't be shocked

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if we are living in the end times, what I'm trying

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to focus on is doing as much of God's work as

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possible right now. And if that leads to the

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end times, okay. And if that leads to, you know,

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us building a better world. that thrives and

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survives for a very long time after I'm gone,

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that's great too. Kind of out of context, this

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clip, because he's saying something that I know

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you and I both agree with, but with that setup,

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all non -believers will hear is, oh yeah, there's

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end times, if that leads to the president leading

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us to the end time. I'm very worried that people

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are getting fearful and worried, and like, what

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can I do to stop the end times? This is why I'm

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bringing this to my brother, Pastor Jimmy, to

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help spin us down from this horrible place of

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where we're all, and by the way, I've heard anti

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-Christ end times throughout my career. have

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always said, oh yeah, totally possible Obama

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is the Antichrist, totally possible that Hillary

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Clinton is the Antichrist, George Bush probably

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the Antichrist, the European Union probably the

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rise of the Antichrist, end times, we're all

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going to die, fire and brimstone. Help us Pastor

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Jimmy. Help us now brother. Well, first of all,

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from a Christian point of view, which is us,

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we've been in the last days since Jesus announced

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it in the New Testament 2 ,000 years ago. That

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was the beginning of the last days. Now, we don't

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know what that means. There's no way to tell

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because there's not a definition and there's

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so much metaphor involved here. So, it could

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be thousands and thousands of years. It could

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not. Who knows? Here's the deal. It's a win -win,

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brother. Yes. It is a win -win. If Jesus comes

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back at the end of the Bible, it says, Maranatha,

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come Lord Jesus, come quickly Lord Jesus. Either

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way, it's a win, especially for those of us in

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Christ. But there's a lot of end time conversation

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built around some of the books that are apocalyptic

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literature, like the Book of Daniel, Book of

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Ezekiel, Revelation. These have apocalyptic,

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very cataclysmic, very fantastical metaphors

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talking about the end of the days or the prophecies

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that are coming. And we're seeing a lot of those

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things come to pass. It's a pretty exciting time

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to be alive. Just stay there. Explain why. I

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think people who are listening to us who have

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no idea, and it was not easy for me too. Even

00:25:49.690 --> 00:25:52.759
Revelation took me a long time to really start

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to kind of understand it, when you say it's exciting,

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why is it exciting? Well, it's exciting because

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we're seeing biblical prophecy come to pass in

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our lifetime, which is historical and precedent

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setting. But it also does indeed say that it

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could be that we may be in the last of the last

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days, but that is not anything to fear. It's

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actually to be celebrated. It's exciting. Now,

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it's going to be wild. It may not be comfortable.

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It's going to be a bumpy ride. Fasten your seatbelts,

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baby. But still, it means we're that much closer

00:26:27.890 --> 00:26:30.930
to be holding Him face to face. Now, at the end

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of the day, the perspective here, I even mentioned

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this on Sunday, it's the last days for everybody.

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I'm in my last days, period. So if Jesus tarries

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another thousand years, It's still my last days,

00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.640
so there is an urgency in me. You and I have

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talked about this. We both feel an urgency to

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do more at the end of our lives than less. Retirement

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is like, what? Why would you want to retire?

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Don't you want to make a difference before you

00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.220
get out of here? Don't you want to fulfill the

00:27:03.220 --> 00:27:05.759
commission that Jesus gave us called the Great

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Commission? To end well. And let's run through

00:27:08.019 --> 00:27:10.910
the tape and finish strong. I see all of those

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as wins, and I see them as reasons to be excited.

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All the fear -mongering that sells, because it

00:27:18.250 --> 00:27:21.309
is fear that sells, people are pushing books

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and pushing curriculum and pushing movies. Movies

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now have a lot of apocalyptic, end -time stuff.

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It always sells. It does. People get left behind

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series. That was huge. To me, it's like, we need

00:27:36.910 --> 00:27:40.890
to be celebrating. that we're seeing the Bible

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play out. We're seeing it substantiates and affirms

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and validates what we've read in Scripture for

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hundreds of years. Now we're beginning to see

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it come. Even this big, all of a sudden, Noah's

00:27:55.450 --> 00:27:58.190
Ark is a big deal, right? Because of this formation

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close to Mount Herod. Whenever there's new stories

00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:04.299
about something, there's always an entertainment

00:28:04.299 --> 00:28:07.380
product. There is a movie coming out called The

00:28:07.380 --> 00:28:09.539
Ark, I think it is. Of course. It's on the way.

00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:13.000
There's several of those, actually. Evan Almighty,

00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:17.359
that was a great one there. I'm just going to

00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.299
build a boat. I mean, I think God told me to

00:28:19.299 --> 00:28:21.119
do this, but there's some great lines from that

00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:25.119
movie, by the way. But anyway, so to me, it's

00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:28.059
exciting. So, as things are rolling out, biblical

00:28:28.059 --> 00:28:30.880
prophecies coming to pass, it just makes me that

00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.640
more excited. Now, if this art thing turns out

00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.660
to be real, awesome. If it doesn't, awesome.

00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.980
I don't really care. It doesn't impact me one

00:28:38.980 --> 00:28:41.180
way or the other. I think it's fascinating and

00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:44.740
I am kind of keeping up with it. But now, if

00:28:44.740 --> 00:28:47.059
you don't stay close to the source, it just gets

00:28:47.059 --> 00:28:49.559
weird. Now everybody's jumping on the bandwagon,

00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:51.640
which is making me less excited about it, to

00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:53.579
be honest. I'm kind of going, now I'm seeing

00:28:53.579 --> 00:28:57.140
it everywhere. All the aberrations. But anyway,

00:28:57.740 --> 00:29:00.119
this is a good time to be alive, brother. So

00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:04.799
this is my concern. My concern is that people

00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.839
are using this to bring people to faith, but

00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.339
using it from the fear marketing tactic. Like,

00:29:12.819 --> 00:29:15.500
the end times are coming. You want to be saved.

00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:19.700
And I just got to say from my recent memory,

00:29:20.109 --> 00:29:23.849
That's been said to me for decades and it never

00:29:23.849 --> 00:29:26.589
moved the needle It doesn't work if anything

00:29:26.589 --> 00:29:30.940
people go. Yeah, whatever. I See this a lot.

00:29:30.940 --> 00:29:34.240
I see and it's not always intentional, right?

00:29:34.329 --> 00:29:39.509
But I want to be wary of not doing that. So when

00:29:39.509 --> 00:29:41.809
these friends called, that was the one thing

00:29:41.809 --> 00:29:45.289
I was not. I'm not going to say, we're in the

00:29:45.289 --> 00:29:48.589
end times, brother. You got to get in now because

00:29:48.589 --> 00:29:53.109
the ship is leaving. You don't want to be here

00:29:53.109 --> 00:29:56.930
when it all comes down. Conversely, for believers,

00:29:57.609 --> 00:30:00.009
I think, and this is historically, I think, true,

00:30:00.450 --> 00:30:03.019
that when you get these apocalyptic predictions

00:30:03.019 --> 00:30:05.660
and books come out, you've mentioned this from

00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:09.160
the pulpit, 2008 or whatever it was, wasn't that

00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.359
supposed to be the year when the end times and

00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:16.279
Jesus was coming? 1988, 88 reasons for Jesus

00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:19.779
to come back, not 1988. 1988 comes and goes and

00:30:19.779 --> 00:30:23.200
people go, and I think that may weaken their

00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:25.819
faith. Right that people start to think well,

00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:28.359
what is this? I'm gonna leave or I don't believe

00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:31.259
or you know, actually what it does it inoculates

00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:34.259
people from yes, it's the boy who cried wolf

00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:37.680
syndrome, right and so The scripture talks about

00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.420
when Jesus comes it will be like a thief in the

00:30:40.420 --> 00:30:43.180
night Yeah, we will not be expecting it. Even

00:30:43.180 --> 00:30:46.059
Jesus doesn't know even Jesus doesn't know the

00:30:46.059 --> 00:30:48.299
Son of Man does not know the day or the hour

00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:51.019
and so it's so funny when we're but it does say

00:30:51.019 --> 00:30:56.849
that You're to discern the times. There are signs

00:30:56.849 --> 00:30:59.369
of the times that the Bible gives. So it's like

00:30:59.369 --> 00:31:02.869
a hint forward, but he doesn't give us the absolute

00:31:02.869 --> 00:31:05.930
details. And there are people who've built ministries

00:31:05.930 --> 00:31:08.890
and written bestselling books based off of their

00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:11.890
predictions, trying to put together the Greco

00:31:11.890 --> 00:31:14.730
-Roman calendar compared to the… you know, the

00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:18.309
Jewish calendar and pars it all out. Numerology,

00:31:18.390 --> 00:31:19.730
all kinds of stuff. Oh my gosh, give me a break.

00:31:20.490 --> 00:31:23.529
People have built entire numerology calculators

00:31:23.529 --> 00:31:26.009
with AI and it's, you know, it's amazing what

00:31:26.009 --> 00:31:28.329
pops out and my eyes go over it. Personally,

00:31:28.549 --> 00:31:30.990
I thought JD Vance nailed it when he said, I'm

00:31:30.990 --> 00:31:32.769
just going to be found doing what I'm supposed

00:31:32.769 --> 00:31:35.509
to be doing. But it was out of context in the

00:31:35.509 --> 00:31:37.910
way it was introduced. Yeah, I agree with that.

00:31:37.910 --> 00:31:40.430
But he was just saying, Yeah, whether it happens

00:31:40.430 --> 00:31:42.390
or not, it's a win -win. That's literally what

00:31:42.390 --> 00:31:45.529
he said, basically. It's a win -win. Yeah. But

00:31:45.529 --> 00:31:48.650
when you set up, even our vice president, our

00:31:48.650 --> 00:31:53.589
very vice president of these United States. So

00:31:53.589 --> 00:31:55.970
whether you're a believer or Christ curious,

00:31:57.029 --> 00:31:59.490
it's all going to be okay. Like you don't have,

00:31:59.710 --> 00:32:03.910
but there's so many, and by the way, just, you

00:32:03.910 --> 00:32:07.789
know, artificial intelligence, it hit me that,

00:32:07.809 --> 00:32:11.130
okay, Or as the president now officially, by

00:32:11.130 --> 00:32:13.509
the way, he signed the document. Yes, officially

00:32:13.509 --> 00:32:16.029
super intelligence, you know, it's Lake America.

00:32:16.089 --> 00:32:18.470
It's super intelligence. I think he should have

00:32:18.470 --> 00:32:20.390
gone of America. I think he should have gone

00:32:20.390 --> 00:32:22.009
one step further. You should just call the Trump

00:32:22.009 --> 00:32:24.809
intelligence. I mean, come on, man. You're slacking

00:32:24.809 --> 00:32:29.539
on your branding. It's not wisdom. I don't care

00:32:29.539 --> 00:32:31.740
what kind of intelligence you think it is. It's

00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:35.920
not wisdom. It's wisdom cannot come from pieces

00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:40.640
of silicon. There it is. You gain wisdom, in

00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.900
my opinion, by getting in the Word, discussing

00:32:43.900 --> 00:32:46.740
the Word with other people and just thinking

00:32:46.740 --> 00:32:49.480
about it. And through lived experience. That

00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.980
does help. Which these machines don't have. Correct.

00:32:53.319 --> 00:33:00.920
So, I love pastor -to -pastor talk. This is actually

00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.579
a great podcast, which you can find in the GodCaster

00:33:04.579 --> 00:33:07.279
app. Get it from your app store. I've called

00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.220
pastor -to -pastor, focus on the family does

00:33:09.220 --> 00:33:12.799
it. And I also love it when Josh Howerton does

00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.359
his pastor to pastor stuff. And I think everybody

00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:21.140
saw him with, I'm gonna get his name wrong, Philip

00:33:21.140 --> 00:33:23.420
Anthony Mitchell. Got it. I think that's it.

00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:26.940
Who was just, I mean, the guy is, you cannot

00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:30.779
help but be drawn in by the voice. You don't

00:33:30.779 --> 00:33:34.640
even have to see it. His posture is the intentionality

00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.680
of it. So I know a lot of people in our church

00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.099
listen to that episode or watch that episode.

00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:45.099
And it was phenomenally good, particularly how

00:33:45.099 --> 00:33:48.380
these two young men, because let's face it, they're

00:33:48.380 --> 00:33:50.759
a generation younger than you and I are, how

00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:57.140
they were just discussing their task in life

00:33:57.140 --> 00:33:59.359
and how they can get disappointed, how things

00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.720
worked out or didn't work out, and what they

00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:03.299
wish they had from each other. I mean, the whole

00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:06.920
thing was just phenomenal. I have a question

00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:10.480
about something they talk about, and I have an

00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.760
observation, because they did cross over a little

00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.780
bit into my field as well. And the first one

00:34:16.780 --> 00:34:19.239
was about his book, which is called Contend.

00:34:19.739 --> 00:34:21.820
And so I just pulled a couple clips from this.

00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:23.639
And here's why I want to ask you a question about

00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:25.579
this. That's great. It's called Contend. Yeah.

00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:29.260
You posted this on IG recently, and it's a quote

00:34:29.260 --> 00:34:32.809
from this book. For listeners, Contend, he's

00:34:32.809 --> 00:34:35.679
quoting Jude. Which is one of the most savage

00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.420
verses in the New Testament. I think about this

00:34:37.420 --> 00:34:41.059
every time I preach Contend for the faith. Yeah,

00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.760
once and for all deliver to the Saints, but I

00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:45.420
didn't mean to ask I don't plan to ask you this

00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:47.340
What's the 60 second story of why you called

00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:52.559
it contend? obviously is born out of Jude chapter

00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.880
1 and Contend for the faith would have just been

00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.320
too long to put as a title So I just took the

00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.280
strongest part of that word. I just took content.

00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:03.780
Yeah Yeah, and you know, it's like for me is

00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:05.869
that's the imperative of the text You know, so

00:35:05.869 --> 00:35:07.829
I just went with the imperative. Here's what

00:35:07.829 --> 00:35:11.510
you said about this. So you quote the verse.

00:35:11.949 --> 00:35:14.050
You said, Beloved, although I was very eager

00:35:14.050 --> 00:35:15.909
to write to you about our common salvation, I

00:35:15.909 --> 00:35:18.789
found it necessary to write appealing to you

00:35:18.789 --> 00:35:22.269
to contend for the faith that was once for all

00:35:22.269 --> 00:35:24.170
delivered to the saints. And then you said this

00:35:24.170 --> 00:35:27.269
policies that could eventually muzzle the scriptures,

00:35:27.909 --> 00:35:30.690
satanic delusions running rampant on social media,

00:35:31.269 --> 00:35:33.750
a growing hostility toward Christians globally.

00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:39.239
And time is running out. Now is the hour to contend.

00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:42.920
So I like this a lot. And I went back and read

00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:46.900
Jude 3 and I got the NLT version because it replaces

00:35:46.900 --> 00:35:51.019
the word contend with defend. And so the word

00:35:51.019 --> 00:35:54.300
is, dear friends, it's Jude 1 -3. Dear friends,

00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.420
I have been eagerly planning to write to you

00:35:56.420 --> 00:35:59.599
about the salvation we all share. But now I find

00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.860
that I must write about something else urging

00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:04.840
you to defend the faith that God has entrusted

00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.239
once for all time to His holy people. Jude 1

00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:11.619
-4 is the follow -up which is important. I say

00:36:11.619 --> 00:36:14.599
this because some ungodly people have wormed

00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:17.820
their way into your churches saying that God's

00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:21.380
marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives.

00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.039
The condemnation of such people was recorded

00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.880
long ago for they have denied our only master

00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:30.619
and Lord Jesus Christ. They didn't discuss that

00:36:30.619 --> 00:36:32.960
in in this particular piece, but I think it's

00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.960
important because he the the scripture says People

00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.619
have wormed their way inside like that worm their

00:36:39.619 --> 00:36:43.420
way inside from NLT Boy, do we know that we've

00:36:43.420 --> 00:36:47.099
got the rainbow churches We've got a senatorial

00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:49.699
candidate who has said all kinds of odd things.

00:36:49.780 --> 00:36:52.480
There's strange things happening at his church

00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.360
This to me is the warning now at the end there

00:36:56.809 --> 00:36:59.769
Again, I kind of hear a little bit of Turner

00:36:59.769 --> 00:37:01.909
Burn, brother. You know what I mean? A little

00:37:01.909 --> 00:37:05.630
bit of, you know, so I don't know exactly if

00:37:05.630 --> 00:37:09.550
he's trying to market to people using that, didn't

00:37:09.550 --> 00:37:11.630
really feel like it, but where he really took

00:37:11.630 --> 00:37:16.269
it was what was interesting because AI is the

00:37:16.269 --> 00:37:19.489
Antichrist or maybe it's something else. The

00:37:19.489 --> 00:37:22.250
ideologies that are hostile towards Christianity,

00:37:22.550 --> 00:37:28.250
Josh. Josh, there is another monotheism. That

00:37:28.250 --> 00:37:33.110
is almost an anti -Christ monotheism. It is one

00:37:33.110 --> 00:37:35.449
of the fastest growing ideologies in the world,

00:37:35.469 --> 00:37:37.730
and there are fringes of that ideology that is

00:37:37.730 --> 00:37:41.409
radical and hostile towards Christianity. And

00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.800
we can... Are you talking about Islam? Yes. I'm

00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:48.260
gonna go there in a second. Okay. You and me...

00:37:48.260 --> 00:37:51.440
Yes. You and me say a lot of very similar things

00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.059
on this. Yes. You keep going. Right. So I'm talking

00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:58.420
about radical Islam. So that's not exactly...

00:37:58.539 --> 00:38:01.260
in the church. So I'm not sure if he's connecting

00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:06.900
it to contend because of Jude 1 -3. I'm not disagreeing

00:38:06.900 --> 00:38:11.599
with him, but everything can't be the Antichrist.

00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:14.300
And I just don't know if that's the right framing

00:38:14.300 --> 00:38:16.980
for how we as Christians and believers should

00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:18.380
look at it. I'm just going to finish this clip

00:38:18.380 --> 00:38:21.260
and I want to hear what you think. And there

00:38:21.260 --> 00:38:26.070
are people who, for the sake of inclusion, Think

00:38:26.070 --> 00:38:29.710
that we are we are doing people good by allowing

00:38:29.710 --> 00:38:35.000
that ideology to can I use the word infiltrate

00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:38.980
and invade our political sphere and our social

00:38:38.980 --> 00:38:42.159
fear for the sake of for the sake of Let's just

00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.300
be inclusive and be loving at the expense of

00:38:45.300 --> 00:38:49.639
we will keep giving away seats in Office agree

00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.119
and we will keep giving away seats in various

00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.309
legislators across the country until the day

00:38:55.309 --> 00:38:58.360
comes where that ideology has enough political

00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:03.489
power. Can we just be honest? Until that ideology

00:39:03.489 --> 00:39:06.809
has enough political power to introduce Sharia

00:39:06.809 --> 00:39:10.369
law in America, right? Not disagreeing with what

00:39:10.369 --> 00:39:14.059
he says there. But the takeaway people have gotten

00:39:14.059 --> 00:39:17.619
from this is my impression is Islam is the Antichrist.

00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:20.900
I just want to say it might be, might not be,

00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:24.679
but we can get, people can respond very fearful

00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.880
to these types of things, and then miss the opportunity

00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:33.619
to talk to these people about Jesus. I think

00:39:33.619 --> 00:39:37.820
it bred fear, and that particular part of the

00:39:37.820 --> 00:39:41.099
podcast. I don't think that's really great, honestly.

00:39:41.380 --> 00:39:43.880
Yeah, I didn't hear that from that, but again,

00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.500
pastor to pastor. So I know where his drive and

00:39:47.500 --> 00:39:50.849
his heart's coming. is to win as many people

00:39:50.849 --> 00:39:56.210
to Jesus as we can before the end comes. I agree

00:39:56.210 --> 00:40:00.090
with what you said about him in terms of the

00:40:00.090 --> 00:40:03.690
principle that's happening here. It's interesting

00:40:03.690 --> 00:40:08.360
because you framed it as that Israel may be the

00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.199
Antichrist, or somebody has said that. But the

00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.559
Bible doesn't just talk about the Antichrist,

00:40:13.579 --> 00:40:17.460
it talks about many Antichrists. 1 John 2, 18,

00:40:17.500 --> 00:40:21.920
children, it is the last hour. Think about when

00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.059
that was written. Children, it is the last hour.

00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:28.139
And as you have heard that Antichrist is coming,

00:40:29.050 --> 00:40:32.869
so now many Antichrists have come. Therefore,

00:40:32.949 --> 00:40:35.710
we know that it is the last hour. So they were

00:40:35.710 --> 00:40:38.940
saying this 2 ,000 years ago. And we had World

00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:41.380
Wars. We had a couple of things go down since

00:40:41.380 --> 00:40:45.699
then. Insanity. Yeah. But it just tells me, do

00:40:45.699 --> 00:40:48.300
you go, well, then it's not coming for another

00:40:48.300 --> 00:40:51.699
2000, or do we say, it could come tomorrow? I

00:40:51.699 --> 00:40:55.300
mean, so that can go either way. Right. And so,

00:40:55.300 --> 00:40:57.820
and then a few verses later in the book of John

00:40:57.820 --> 00:41:01.199
says this, he says, who is the liar, but he who

00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.039
denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the

00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.840
antichrist. He who denies the Father and the

00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.500
Son." So he just brings a clarifier there. But

00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:13.039
there have been many Antichrists that have come

00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:17.960
even in that hour, which was the last hour. So

00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:23.329
I don't hear him saying, and I have heard others

00:41:23.329 --> 00:41:29.860
postulating, that Islam could be. I've even had

00:41:29.860 --> 00:41:32.739
just mental images, I wouldn't say spiritual

00:41:32.739 --> 00:41:36.460
visions, but just mental images of what some

00:41:36.460 --> 00:41:39.019
of the descriptions of the hordes of locusts

00:41:39.019 --> 00:41:41.360
and the plagues are going to come in the book

00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:43.780
of Revelation. I could see that being a horde

00:41:43.780 --> 00:41:47.139
of black hoods. I've got to fix our screens at

00:41:47.139 --> 00:41:54.179
home. I'm just going, whoa, wow. Well, let me

00:41:54.179 --> 00:41:56.900
put it this way. The same thing that that news

00:41:56.900 --> 00:42:00.380
guy did with the vice president, clips with scary

00:42:00.380 --> 00:42:04.179
music is done with this. And I just want to Thank

00:42:04.179 --> 00:42:06.219
you. You just said exactly what needs to be said.

00:42:06.940 --> 00:42:10.480
This last hour, God doesn't have a clock, He's

00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:15.639
not wearing a Timex, He's got His own completely

00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:18.920
holy time for anything He wants, and we don't

00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.639
have to get all spun up about it because that's

00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.820
what I'm seeing. When you hear this guy's iconic

00:42:24.820 --> 00:42:29.079
voice, this Islam is anti -Christ, and you put

00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.380
some scary music behind it and it's on Instagram,

00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:34.480
people lose their minds. Yeah. I don't think

00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:36.699
he was going for that. I know he believes that.

00:42:36.699 --> 00:42:38.820
You know what I'm saying? And that's okay. That's

00:42:38.820 --> 00:42:44.269
like for real. Yes. And so my attitude about

00:42:44.269 --> 00:42:46.809
being spun up, no getting spun up. We cannot

00:42:46.809 --> 00:42:50.050
think well. We cannot think strategically when

00:42:50.050 --> 00:42:53.789
we're spun up. That's the problem. And that if

00:42:53.789 --> 00:42:57.199
there is a... an attempt to the Antichrist in

00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:59.579
terms of strategy towards, whether it's Christians

00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:02.599
or the world in general, is get them spun up.

00:43:02.860 --> 00:43:06.280
Keep them spun up so that they cannot think well.

00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.519
And so to me, it's like, hear that and I say,

00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.559
amen. Now, what are our action points out of

00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.679
this? So what do we do? Well, you'll hear throughout

00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.139
that whole podcast, we listened to it as well.

00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.079
They're talking about the gospel, gospelizing

00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.329
the world, getting Jesus out there. they'll arrive

00:43:25.329 --> 00:43:28.829
at that, but they're getting to that. But also,

00:43:29.210 --> 00:43:31.710
the prophetic pastor, the pastor's prophetic

00:43:31.710 --> 00:43:34.510
voice, there's a responsibility for us to call

00:43:34.510 --> 00:43:37.769
things out. And so, when you get a bunch of pastors

00:43:37.769 --> 00:43:40.809
calling it out, some will do it nefariously or

00:43:40.809 --> 00:43:43.730
do it for more clicks and likes. Josh Howerton

00:43:43.730 --> 00:43:46.969
doesn't need more clicks right now. He's bigger

00:43:46.969 --> 00:43:50.630
than Rogan now. So, he's not going for that.

00:43:50.789 --> 00:43:53.960
And I don't see him as the type He's a guy of

00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.079
high integrity. But this is not what I'm saying.

00:43:56.099 --> 00:43:57.699
I know what you're saying. I'm saying is how...

00:43:57.699 --> 00:44:00.300
The verbiage. And it's clipped and it's put with

00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:03.039
scary music and it's going viral. Very few people

00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:04.460
watch them. I didn't hear music on that. No,

00:44:04.460 --> 00:44:07.380
because this is from the original piece, but

00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:10.559
people have seen this. Oh, oh, gotcha, gotcha.

00:44:11.260 --> 00:44:13.820
I'll bring some examples of that next time. So,

00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.679
but I actually, I'm right in alignment with him

00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:20.199
in terms of, you know, there are things that

00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:24.510
are bearing down upon us as people. And I do

00:44:24.510 --> 00:44:27.050
believe Islam is one of those, just looking at

00:44:27.050 --> 00:44:29.969
their history and their repetitive, their cyclical

00:44:29.969 --> 00:44:32.650
patterns. And so we know that's here. It's not

00:44:32.650 --> 00:44:34.010
coming. It's here. It's kind of like the line

00:44:34.010 --> 00:44:37.730
from Twister. It's not coming. It's already here.

00:44:38.690 --> 00:44:42.710
So yeah, I'm in agreement with that. I listened

00:44:42.710 --> 00:44:46.030
to the same podcast and my heart didn't get up.

00:44:46.289 --> 00:44:49.489
My pulse didn't rise. Mine neither. I'm just

00:44:49.489 --> 00:44:53.349
saying, yes, it is true. Now, do I think they

00:44:53.349 --> 00:44:56.369
are the Antichrist? I think they are an Antichrist.

00:44:56.969 --> 00:45:00.010
So, I'm in text groups with other believers,

00:45:00.110 --> 00:45:03.289
with men. This is perceived different than you

00:45:03.289 --> 00:45:06.369
perceive it or that I perceive it. This is perceived

00:45:06.369 --> 00:45:11.250
as, holy crap, this is happening. These towel

00:45:11.250 --> 00:45:13.070
heads, I mean, this is the kind of stuff that

00:45:13.070 --> 00:45:15.909
pops up from believers. I'm like, what is going

00:45:15.909 --> 00:45:19.530
on with this? Just one, and you brought a great

00:45:19.530 --> 00:45:22.829
clip from John Eldridge said, we need to play.

00:45:23.869 --> 00:45:27.070
Just one factual bit, because the pastor brought

00:45:27.070 --> 00:45:30.269
in some stuff that I'm very aware of or aware

00:45:30.269 --> 00:45:32.909
that it's not happening. In case people heard

00:45:32.909 --> 00:45:35.550
this, I want to put their minds at rest about

00:45:35.550 --> 00:45:37.889
this bit. There are talks right now about a ten

00:45:37.889 --> 00:45:41.230
-nation confederacy. This is just not true. And

00:45:41.230 --> 00:45:43.170
that's been out there a long time. For a long

00:45:43.170 --> 00:45:46.269
time. So I think about things like that. There

00:45:46.269 --> 00:45:48.170
are talks right now in other nations trying to

00:45:48.170 --> 00:45:50.760
do what's called like an identity chip. Their

00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.659
nations right now talking about enforcing on

00:45:53.659 --> 00:45:57.619
their people a chip for identity I mean, this

00:45:57.619 --> 00:46:01.179
is just categorically untrue. There is no embedded

00:46:01.179 --> 00:46:03.739
chip, you know, there's no digital money other

00:46:03.739 --> 00:46:06.059
than the credit I mean you can go back and when

00:46:06.059 --> 00:46:07.840
credit cards keep people you came out people

00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:09.900
were talking about this being You know the mark

00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:12.500
of the beast. I mean, this is nothing new But

00:46:12.500 --> 00:46:15.320
he's kind of reading it as a headline and it's

00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.519
definitely not true would allow you to watch

00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:22.360
buy sell have commerce and that without that

00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.639
identity chip you will live like a no man in

00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:26.960
society there talks about that right now as you

00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:28.880
are sitting you are not sitting at this table

00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.679
right so when I think about things like that

00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.199
things that are clearly written scripture things

00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:36.739
that are gonna unfold in the end times as catalogical

00:46:36.739 --> 00:46:39.099
scriptures that are in there Josh when I look

00:46:39.099 --> 00:46:42.659
at the news in the United States okay so I just

00:46:42.659 --> 00:46:45.000
want to put people because this flows right into

00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.880
data centers and flock cameras and people get

00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.179
really whacked out about it. It's not true. There

00:46:51.179 --> 00:46:57.320
is no 10 nation, you know, confederacy. I mean,

00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:01.820
we all have, yes, identity cards for sure. I

00:47:01.820 --> 00:47:04.739
rue the day when we'll have to use our digital

00:47:04.739 --> 00:47:07.119
ID to get on the internet. I don't think that'll

00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.099
happen very easily in America. You know, they've

00:47:09.099 --> 00:47:11.320
been trying this for a long time, but I've been

00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:16.199
hearing this for 20 years. So when he kind of

00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:18.260
reads that as a headline, I'm like, no, I just

00:47:18.260 --> 00:47:19.820
got to say, no, that's, that's not it. That's

00:47:19.820 --> 00:47:23.780
it. Otherwise, love this guy. Love Josh Howerton.

00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:27.500
Um, but I, you know, he's number one. It's like

00:47:27.500 --> 00:47:30.119
people believe everything Rogan says too. And

00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.280
sometimes it's just not right. It's that old,

00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:35.940
that old adage, keep your wits about you. Yeah.

00:47:35.940 --> 00:47:38.699
Yeah. And that's what we need to do is I love

00:47:38.699 --> 00:47:40.820
your description of hair on fire. It looks like

00:47:40.820 --> 00:47:44.239
a dumpster fires. I mean, because that is. We

00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.920
are called to be and live at peace We've not

00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.280
been given the spirit of fear scripture says

00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.320
but of power and of love and of a sound mind

00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:57.019
Yes, and I do keep coming harkening back to this

00:47:57.019 --> 00:48:00.280
because while I say amen to this because and

00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.820
I understand there are pieces of that that are

00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:06.599
exaggerated and or just not but they're they're

00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.420
pieces of there is chip technology sure there's

00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:12.019
policy being discussed around I mean all that's

00:48:12.019 --> 00:48:15.179
out there, but When we formulate that into a

00:48:15.179 --> 00:48:17.260
narrative, that's where we've got to be careful.

00:48:17.579 --> 00:48:19.760
Well, the Ten Nations is literally from Revelation.

00:48:20.059 --> 00:48:22.760
It's been around forever. And the Mark of the

00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:24.639
Beast is like, how many times have I heard this

00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.980
is the Mark of the Beast? When some nightclub

00:48:27.980 --> 00:48:30.880
in Sweden gave people a lifetime pass if you

00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.639
embedded this chip in your hand for entry. I

00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:36.239
get it. People go, there it is. There it is.

00:48:36.460 --> 00:48:38.179
We're there. Bitcoin is, you know, that's the

00:48:38.179 --> 00:48:40.460
mark of the beast. Like, no, in fact, you won't

00:48:40.460 --> 00:48:42.699
be able to buy and sell without a chip. That's

00:48:42.699 --> 00:48:44.940
probably our way out actually. But you know,

00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:46.679
meanwhile, people are very happy to tap their

00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:51.920
phones to pay. Yeah, there you go. It's so convenient.

00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:55.639
So yeah, no, that's good observation. But again,

00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.469
keep our wits about us. stay off the text chains.

00:49:03.690 --> 00:49:06.809
I don't get it. I love my brothers and sisters

00:49:06.809 --> 00:49:11.559
in Christ, but sometimes we're tools in somebody

00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:15.699
else's hand beside God. No kidding. It grieves

00:49:15.699 --> 00:49:19.519
my heart, honestly. As a pastor, I have to waste

00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.860
time every service calming people down. I got

00:49:22.860 --> 00:49:27.000
a stat somewhere here. Let me see where it was.

00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:34.139
I think it was we read an average of 100 ,000

00:49:34.139 --> 00:49:39.679
words a day online, of which five to seven hours

00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:43.659
of being online. Just think about how much we're

00:49:43.659 --> 00:49:47.139
ingesting and how much we're writing. Tina and

00:49:47.139 --> 00:49:49.760
I always joke about it. Like, you could have

00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.420
written five books in a month. With just…and

00:49:52.420 --> 00:49:54.440
me too, by the way, I'm not excluding myself.

00:49:54.699 --> 00:49:58.380
Just the text that you're sending out. It's really

00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:01.639
quite amazing how much, but that hundred thousand…think

00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:03.179
about a hundred…how many words in the Bible?

00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:05.809
Do you happen to know? No, not off the top of

00:50:05.809 --> 00:50:08.110
my head, I don't. What kind of theologian are

00:50:08.110 --> 00:50:11.590
you? Did you have the whole Bible memorized?

00:50:11.590 --> 00:50:13.369
Come on, everyone knows these numbers. Yes, a

00:50:13.369 --> 00:50:15.710
microfiche in my head. You know, 66 books, you

00:50:15.710 --> 00:50:17.630
know, 40 authors. Come on, everyone knows these

00:50:17.630 --> 00:50:19.409
numbers. You're looking it up now, aren't you?

00:50:19.889 --> 00:50:22.929
I am. It probably depends on which translation,

00:50:22.989 --> 00:50:32.969
no doubt. But the amount of time we spend ingesting

00:50:32.969 --> 00:50:41.340
and You know, online people are, I wrote this

00:50:41.340 --> 00:50:45.059
term down. Over 700 ,000 words, depending on

00:50:45.059 --> 00:50:47.500
the translation. So that's a week, a week of

00:50:47.500 --> 00:50:50.079
being online. You've basically read the Bible,

00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:56.309
how about that? Wow. People are ashamed of little

00:50:56.309 --> 00:51:02.010
and offended by a lot. True. Online. So true.

00:51:04.250 --> 00:51:07.630
It's probably the enemy uses this. You think?

00:51:07.829 --> 00:51:10.809
John C. Dvorak said, the phone is the Antichrist.

00:51:11.110 --> 00:51:13.210
And yeah, he's probably right, but probably one

00:51:13.210 --> 00:51:15.449
of the Antichrists. One of many. One of them.

00:51:15.929 --> 00:51:18.289
It was a great trend that I heard about on this

00:51:18.289 --> 00:51:22.510
clip, which actually I saw, I like the YouVersion

00:51:22.510 --> 00:51:25.460
Bible app. It's, you know, it's one of the staples

00:51:25.460 --> 00:51:27.460
for me and it may not be the first thing, but

00:51:27.460 --> 00:51:30.460
I'm always checking in because, you know, the

00:51:30.460 --> 00:51:34.739
guy who does the, the Dutch guy does the project

00:51:34.739 --> 00:51:37.239
of love. Yeah, yeah. He was on it the other day.

00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:39.519
Oh, that's cool. He was doing the daily. Yeah.

00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:41.679
Well, that's awesome. Yeah, that was, I was very

00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:45.800
happy to see him. But like a week or two ago,

00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:47.900
someone, because they usually like, here's the

00:51:47.900 --> 00:51:50.599
bot, you know, I'm really excited. It's a script.

00:51:50.860 --> 00:51:52.420
I'm really excited to tell you about this verse.

00:51:52.539 --> 00:51:53.940
This is one of my favorite verses, and they do

00:51:53.940 --> 00:51:55.599
the verse, and they talk about it and give an

00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:58.480
inspirational message. I forget who it was. One

00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.679
of the people who was the guest speaker on the

00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:04.119
U -version app said, let's just pray. I had not

00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:09.699
seen that ever. Let's just pray. I'm like, wow.

00:52:10.070 --> 00:52:12.949
That was really impactful. And I picked up this

00:52:12.949 --> 00:52:14.630
clip and I was thinking about it in that regard.

00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.659
80 % of the people who are getting baptized say

00:52:35.659 --> 00:52:38.739
that Internet plays a big role in their faith.

00:52:38.940 --> 00:52:41.619
They call themselves digital missionaries and

00:52:41.619 --> 00:52:44.260
say their online prayer sessions are having an

00:52:44.260 --> 00:52:47.539
impact. I think this is something we need to

00:52:47.539 --> 00:52:52.840
investigate. I like that. Praying online. If

00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:56.199
you're doing Instagram things, I'm not, but that

00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:59.500
impacted me. I think this could be something

00:52:59.500 --> 00:53:03.139
really important. I don't hear many Do podcasters

00:53:03.139 --> 00:53:05.960
or influencers do this? No. In fact, when you

00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:09.860
asked me to start the show with prayer the first

00:53:09.860 --> 00:53:12.280
couple of times, it was a little odd for me because

00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:15.039
I don't hear that either. I love doing it now.

00:53:15.219 --> 00:53:18.280
I'm like, wait, we got to pray. I can't not do

00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:22.960
it now. It was unusual. It's not typical to click

00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.940
on a podcast and you're waiting for funky music

00:53:25.940 --> 00:53:30.599
or something, or scary, ominous music, The Exorcist

00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.440
files, that kind of stuff. But instead you get

00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:38.780
a guy go, Father. You hear the breath. Father.

00:53:39.940 --> 00:53:42.239
That's just not normal. And so I love that you

00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.099
asked me to do it. And at first I thought, are

00:53:44.099 --> 00:53:45.739
we going to keep doing that? And you did. And

00:53:45.739 --> 00:53:49.230
I'm so glad we did. Me too. And, uh, and I love

00:53:49.230 --> 00:53:52.889
doing it. It means a lot to me now, and I'm thrilled

00:53:52.889 --> 00:53:55.530
to do it. You know how many complaints I get

00:53:55.530 --> 00:54:00.829
about that? 7 ,000. Zero. Zero. Absolutely zero.

00:54:00.849 --> 00:54:02.630
I did get a nice note from somebody about that.

00:54:02.670 --> 00:54:05.369
Actually, it was really sweet. We got a couple

00:54:05.369 --> 00:54:08.610
of, a couple of notes and I want to, I want you

00:54:08.610 --> 00:54:11.250
to play this Eldridge clip because this is so

00:54:11.250 --> 00:54:12.949
seminal for what we've been talking about today.

00:54:12.969 --> 00:54:14.829
I think it really kind of wraps everything up

00:54:14.829 --> 00:54:17.110
before we get to thanking people. You want to

00:54:17.110 --> 00:54:19.559
just set it up? Yeah, John Eldredge, he wrote

00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:21.380
the book Wild at Heart, which is kind of his

00:54:21.380 --> 00:54:23.559
big seminal book and then took off after that.

00:54:23.579 --> 00:54:25.320
Now they have a ministry called Wild at Heart.

00:54:27.380 --> 00:54:30.119
Me and many friends have gone to their boot camp

00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:33.420
up in Colorado in the Rocky Mountains. Beautiful.

00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:37.519
And he's a therapist who was called a ministry.

00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:40.099
So his background is LPC, he's a licensed professional

00:54:40.099 --> 00:54:43.340
counselor, but he doesn't always talk like that.

00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:46.349
He talks more like a pastor, a minister. So he

00:54:46.349 --> 00:54:49.849
has this thing where when you're dealing with,

00:54:49.929 --> 00:54:52.030
he says, we have these constructs that we build

00:54:52.030 --> 00:54:55.170
where you get an impression, you get an idea

00:54:55.170 --> 00:54:58.329
coming in an intrusive thought. And a lot of

00:54:58.329 --> 00:55:00.349
times we don't question those. It's just, I'm

00:55:00.349 --> 00:55:03.650
thinking this. And another thing that we do with

00:55:03.650 --> 00:55:06.429
those, instead of actually saying, whoa, where's

00:55:06.429 --> 00:55:09.849
that coming from? Is this true? We just kind

00:55:09.849 --> 00:55:12.150
of take it as, yeah, I'm thinking about this.

00:55:12.230 --> 00:55:16.469
Oh, that makes sense. And then we will not always

00:55:16.469 --> 00:55:19.590
intentionally, but we will unconsciously agree

00:55:19.590 --> 00:55:23.909
with it. And agreement is the basis of covenant.

00:55:24.889 --> 00:55:27.429
It's striking the covenant. It's when you agree

00:55:27.429 --> 00:55:30.110
upon the terms of something. Like a deal, like

00:55:30.110 --> 00:55:31.750
making a deal. Like a deal, yeah. You're shaking

00:55:31.750 --> 00:55:35.469
hands. In Hebrew, you're cutting a cow in half

00:55:35.469 --> 00:55:37.369
and walking between the parts, right? So you're

00:55:37.369 --> 00:55:39.909
in the blood trail. So it's a serious thing.

00:55:40.170 --> 00:55:42.730
And he's talking about how we make agreements

00:55:42.730 --> 00:55:46.190
on an ongoing basis that we're in a sense making

00:55:46.190 --> 00:55:49.809
covenants with lies and untruths. And he's talking

00:55:49.809 --> 00:55:51.809
about this on a podcast with a guy named Ryan,

00:55:51.829 --> 00:55:54.449
I don't know his last name. It's called The Exorcist

00:55:54.449 --> 00:55:57.769
Files. So it's not - What are you doing in your

00:55:57.769 --> 00:56:00.670
spare time passing Jimmy? He's a guest. Well,

00:56:00.909 --> 00:56:04.130
I'm scraping the internet for clips. And I knew

00:56:04.130 --> 00:56:07.510
I'd seen him talk about this many times. but

00:56:07.510 --> 00:56:11.610
I wanted to hear him on this. So anyway. What

00:56:11.610 --> 00:56:14.630
is your prescription for taking inventory of

00:56:14.630 --> 00:56:16.170
agreements? Cause it sounds like this is not

00:56:16.170 --> 00:56:18.809
like, Oh, I, I was open to agreements at one

00:56:18.809 --> 00:56:21.150
point. It sounds like our entire lives, we are

00:56:21.150 --> 00:56:24.909
constantly, you know, at, at risk of accepting

00:56:24.909 --> 00:56:26.349
these things. Cause it's being darts being thrown

00:56:26.349 --> 00:56:29.809
at us. So what's John's wisdom for taking inventory

00:56:29.809 --> 00:56:31.750
and when should we stop and say, Hey, is there

00:56:31.750 --> 00:56:34.650
anything I'm, you know, wow, like that got me.

00:56:34.690 --> 00:56:37.139
And I didn't even realize that. Yes, okay. Let's

00:56:37.139 --> 00:56:39.539
first come back for a moment to our worldview.

00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:44.400
You live in a love story set in a world at war.

00:56:45.420 --> 00:56:48.760
It is a love story. The centerpiece is the love

00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:54.980
story. But you are surrounded by war. You know,

00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.719
Revelation 12, and he went off to make war against

00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.969
her offspring, speaking of Mary. Those who hold

00:57:00.969 --> 00:57:03.869
to the testimony of Jesus, right? So it particularly

00:57:03.869 --> 00:57:06.070
if you're a Christian you live in a world at

00:57:06.070 --> 00:57:08.690
war folks So that yes, this is going to be part

00:57:08.690 --> 00:57:11.469
of your toolkit for the rest of your life. It's

00:57:11.469 --> 00:57:14.449
very helpful I would say Ryan a couple of things

00:57:14.449 --> 00:57:18.949
one is pay attention to your inner chatter Right

00:57:18.949 --> 00:57:24.010
like tune in you don't be oblivious to your internal

00:57:24.010 --> 00:57:27.340
world And the kind of things that you think,

00:57:27.699 --> 00:57:29.840
see, this is the other lovely thing is to realize

00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:31.659
not every thought that goes through your head

00:57:31.659 --> 00:57:35.590
is from you. That's actually a very freeing thing

00:57:35.590 --> 00:57:38.269
for most people to go, oh, my gosh, this negative

00:57:38.269 --> 00:57:40.909
talk. You mean, it's not all me? No, it's not.

00:57:40.969 --> 00:57:45.110
You have an enemy. But pay attention. But particularly

00:57:45.110 --> 00:57:48.809
notice, I'm going to give you three things. Pay

00:57:48.809 --> 00:57:51.530
attention to the internal chatter. Notice what

00:57:51.530 --> 00:57:55.079
comes out of your mouth. when you blow it, when

00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:58.179
you look in the mirror, right? I mean, some people

00:57:58.179 --> 00:57:59.920
look in the mirror and just go, oh, you're such

00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:03.480
an, you know, like expletives, you know, or you're

00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:07.539
just so ugly, I can't believe you. Or even self

00:58:07.539 --> 00:58:09.739
-hatred, you know, I just hate you, I just hate

00:58:09.739 --> 00:58:11.960
you. Like, it'll come out of your mouth, folks,

00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:15.159
these agreements. But thirdly, and probably the

00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.699
most easiest test is, one of the things Jesus

00:58:17.699 --> 00:58:19.920
gave us is, you shall know them by their fruit.

00:58:20.389 --> 00:58:24.409
You can test anything by this. Is the fruit love,

00:58:24.409 --> 00:58:29.769
joy, peace? Is it goodness? Is it intimacy with

00:58:29.769 --> 00:58:33.289
God? Or is it discouragement, despair, fear,

00:58:33.590 --> 00:58:37.969
anxiety producing? Look at the fruit of it and

00:58:37.969 --> 00:58:41.889
just go, wow, why am I so afraid in this relationship

00:58:41.889 --> 00:58:45.909
right now? And then again, you have a shepherd,

00:58:46.070 --> 00:58:50.679
the shepherd and guardian of your soul. Jesus

00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:55.760
Christ, you can ask God, Lord, what are the agreements

00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:59.519
that I'm making with my enemy right now? And

00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:01.739
we'll take people through these exercises during

00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:04.119
our retreats. We'll take people, what are the

00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:08.019
agreements I'm making against myself or against

00:59:08.019 --> 00:59:12.480
others or against you, God? What are the agreements

00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:16.380
I'm making against you? This is so good. This

00:59:16.380 --> 00:59:21.199
is really real where we live. In his book, Waking

00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:24.019
the Dead, the book opens with, you were born

00:59:24.019 --> 00:59:27.380
into a world at war. So true. I mean, what a

00:59:27.380 --> 00:59:30.599
way to hook you in on the hook line, but it's

00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:33.579
so true. I want to read another quote by him

00:59:33.579 --> 00:59:35.519
from another book called Walking with God. This

00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.579
is John Eldridge talking about, because I want

00:59:37.579 --> 00:59:40.480
to clarify agreements so that people listening

00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:42.860
may be hearing this for the first time. I want

00:59:42.860 --> 00:59:46.070
to clarify by agreements. I mean those subtle

00:59:46.070 --> 00:59:50.329
convictions we come to, assent to, give way to,

00:59:50.550 --> 00:59:54.110
or are raised to assume are true. It happens

00:59:54.110 --> 00:59:56.489
down deep in our souls where our real beliefs

00:59:56.489 --> 01:00:00.110
about life are formed. Something or someone whispers

01:00:00.110 --> 01:00:03.090
to us, life is never going to turn out the way

01:00:03.090 --> 01:00:06.690
you'd hoped, or nobody's going to come through,

01:00:07.050 --> 01:00:10.869
or God has forsaken you. And something in us

01:00:10.869 --> 01:00:15.070
responds, that's true. We make an agreement with

01:00:15.070 --> 01:00:19.530
it and a conviction is formed. And so this is

01:00:19.530 --> 01:00:22.030
where people live. They live in their mind. We

01:00:22.030 --> 01:00:24.489
don't live out in the world. We say it. We're

01:00:24.489 --> 01:00:27.929
doing stuff. We're accomplishing tasks. We're

01:00:27.929 --> 01:00:29.929
checking lists, especially if you're married

01:00:29.929 --> 01:00:33.090
to Annette and Tina. We've got checklists, Easter

01:00:33.090 --> 01:00:36.250
egg, checklists that we're going through. But

01:00:36.250 --> 01:00:39.269
we don't really live there. It's what we do.

01:00:39.369 --> 01:00:42.449
Where we live is in our head. It's in our headspace

01:00:42.449 --> 01:00:44.650
and that's our soul. That's the whole of who

01:00:44.650 --> 01:00:48.230
we are. And so these agreements come in. Life's

01:00:48.230 --> 01:00:50.309
never going to turn out the way. Nobody cares.

01:00:50.889 --> 01:00:53.489
I'm never going to make it. I'm going to fail.

01:00:54.030 --> 01:00:56.469
All these come to us and then we find ourselves

01:00:56.469 --> 01:00:59.690
responding. That's true. That's true. And it's

01:00:59.690 --> 01:01:02.190
literally, we make an agreement with it and then

01:01:02.190 --> 01:01:05.849
it births a conviction in our soul. And then

01:01:05.849 --> 01:01:08.829
we, unfortunately, when you receive a lie as

01:01:08.829 --> 01:01:12.349
true, you actually make it true in your behavior.

01:01:12.349 --> 01:01:14.269
It begins to come out because we leak out what

01:01:14.269 --> 01:01:16.969
we're full of. So if we've got these agreements

01:01:16.969 --> 01:01:19.630
stacking up or we've agreed with the mirror,

01:01:19.789 --> 01:01:22.190
it talks to us, right? I mean, some days it's

01:01:22.190 --> 01:01:25.170
pretty ugly. You know, it's like, dude, what

01:01:25.170 --> 01:01:27.170
happened to you? This is why I have dimmers.

01:01:29.230 --> 01:01:31.570
We need that. We need a mirror. It has the filter

01:01:31.570 --> 01:01:35.550
from the white diamonds commercial with Elizabeth

01:01:35.550 --> 01:01:39.030
Taylor where she was fuzzy. I want one of those

01:01:39.030 --> 01:01:41.690
mirrors. But these are real, and this is where

01:01:41.690 --> 01:01:44.190
people live, our listeners, and I know this because

01:01:44.190 --> 01:01:47.150
I live there too. I have to catch these things.

01:01:47.670 --> 01:01:50.530
And you have to train yourself to recognize these

01:01:50.530 --> 01:01:52.969
thoughts, these intrusive thoughts that come

01:01:52.969 --> 01:01:57.110
because they're coming at us so fast. You make

01:01:57.110 --> 01:02:00.010
a mistake driving, you make a mistake. I'm always

01:02:00.010 --> 01:02:02.050
wailing on the guy who made a mistake. But when

01:02:02.050 --> 01:02:04.489
I make one, I'm going, oh, you're so stupid.

01:02:05.059 --> 01:02:07.199
How could you do? Oh, what were you thinking?

01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:12.260
And inside, this inner dialogue happens and I'm

01:02:12.260 --> 01:02:14.619
just making agreements. Yeah, you are dumb. Yeah,

01:02:14.619 --> 01:02:17.019
that was a dumb move. How do you break it? You

01:02:17.019 --> 01:02:20.320
have to break it by the same way you take it

01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:22.800
is the same way you have to break it. That means

01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:26.860
you have to disagree with it. So I call it out.

01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:30.280
I recognize it because you got to realize and

01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:33.340
recognize that it's going on. This is happening.

01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:36.579
And what's beautiful, the more you do this intentionally,

01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.519
over time, it'll start to become natural to you.

01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:42.199
Realize and recognize. Just make a note that's

01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:44.920
for your re -series. Realize, recognize. That's

01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:46.659
good. And actually, I'm going to go ahead and

01:02:46.659 --> 01:02:49.460
give away. This is total spoiler alert for Sunday.

01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:54.559
But I'm going to give the Rs, four Rs. You recognize

01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:58.400
the lie. You recognize that that came in. And

01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:01.980
then you have to ask, is what I am believing,

01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.579
is this contradicting God's Word? Is this what

01:03:05.579 --> 01:03:08.940
God believes about me? Is this true? I love what

01:03:08.940 --> 01:03:11.079
John was saying. Jesus wants to talk to you.

01:03:11.340 --> 01:03:13.579
He's listening. He's waiting. Just ask him, is

01:03:13.579 --> 01:03:15.739
this true? You'll get a witness. You'll know.

01:03:16.059 --> 01:03:18.099
So you recognize the lie. Second thing you do

01:03:18.099 --> 01:03:21.789
is renounce your agreement with it. And to renounce

01:03:21.789 --> 01:03:25.210
means to push back. It means to cast away. And

01:03:25.210 --> 01:03:30.090
to break a formal agreement, you renounce. So,

01:03:30.449 --> 01:03:32.809
you simply renounce. I can do it driving down

01:03:32.809 --> 01:03:34.630
the road. I can do it walking down the hall here.

01:03:35.170 --> 01:03:37.449
I can do it standing in the bathroom, just going,

01:03:37.630 --> 01:03:41.630
hey man, that is not of the Lord. I renounce

01:03:41.630 --> 01:03:44.070
that agreement in the name of Jesus. I reject

01:03:44.070 --> 01:03:47.449
that. So, recognize the lie, renounce your agreement

01:03:47.449 --> 01:03:50.190
with the lie, and then replace it with truth.

01:03:50.449 --> 01:03:54.670
With Scripture, what does God say? God says,

01:03:54.769 --> 01:03:57.130
I'm holy, blameless, and above reproach in Colossians

01:03:57.130 --> 01:04:01.349
chapter two. He says, in Deuteronomy 27, he says,

01:04:01.369 --> 01:04:03.929
I'm the head and not the tail, above only, not

01:04:03.929 --> 01:04:06.829
beneath, blessed coming in, blessed going out,

01:04:07.210 --> 01:04:08.969
blessed in the city, blessed in the country.

01:04:09.510 --> 01:04:11.929
That's what he says about me. What does the Bible

01:04:11.929 --> 01:04:14.090
say? It also says I'm the righteousness of God

01:04:14.090 --> 01:04:16.989
in Christ Jesus. Today in my daily grind, I'll

01:04:16.989 --> 01:04:19.510
share this in a minute, but God's for me, not

01:04:19.510 --> 01:04:21.880
against me. If God's for you, who can be against

01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:24.679
you? So what you do, you replace those lies.

01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.739
And then the last thing you do, the last R is

01:04:27.739 --> 01:04:30.920
resist. So it's recognize, renounce, replace.

01:04:31.260 --> 01:04:33.159
And the last one is resist because the scripture

01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:35.280
says that we're to humble ourselves under the

01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:38.340
mighty hand of God, resist the devil and he will

01:04:38.340 --> 01:04:41.559
flee from you. That's in the book of James. I'm

01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:48.269
just laughing because we have this Al Sharpton,

01:04:48.750 --> 01:04:51.800
Reverend Al Sharpton. His big thing is resist.

01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:56.579
This is a classic nine second no agenda Al Sharpton

01:04:56.579 --> 01:04:59.500
bit that just, I'm sorry, this is not to detract

01:04:59.500 --> 01:05:01.679
from what you're saying, but it's kind of funny.

01:05:02.019 --> 01:05:09.420
But resist, we must, and we will much about that

01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:15.989
be committed. I'm just saying. Word salad. That's

01:05:15.989 --> 01:05:20.070
a healthy dose of Kamala right there. But resist

01:05:20.070 --> 01:05:24.750
we much. When you said resist, I'm like, resist

01:05:24.750 --> 01:05:28.469
we much. And that part is actually funny in a

01:05:28.469 --> 01:05:33.449
way that is kind of true. Resist we much. Must

01:05:33.449 --> 01:05:38.309
and much. Everybody should check out the bridgefbg

01:05:38.309 --> 01:05:41.170
.com bridge church on YouTube. You can watch

01:05:41.170 --> 01:05:44.630
the sermon live or of course it's always recorded.

01:05:44.730 --> 01:05:46.889
The service, I should say. Heavy lifting last

01:05:46.889 --> 01:05:49.670
Sunday, I really went there. The title of the

01:05:49.670 --> 01:05:52.949
sermon is Renounce. So I laid the groundwork

01:05:52.949 --> 01:05:56.449
for week two, which will be this week, and it

01:05:56.449 --> 01:06:00.969
has already caused no small stir. I bet. I bet.

01:06:01.730 --> 01:06:04.590
I preach on this about two times a year where

01:06:04.590 --> 01:06:07.110
I preach on the enemy and spiritual warfare.

01:06:07.510 --> 01:06:10.550
The reason I don't preach on it much is because

01:06:10.550 --> 01:06:13.429
the enemy loves attention no matter what. He's

01:06:13.429 --> 01:06:16.389
like a bad politician. Any publicity is good

01:06:16.389 --> 01:06:19.070
publicity to the devil. You even said something

01:06:19.070 --> 01:06:22.150
about this in the message. You don't really want

01:06:22.150 --> 01:06:24.889
to be investigating this stuff because that's

01:06:24.889 --> 01:06:27.170
what the enemy wants. Exactly. So, I don't spend

01:06:27.170 --> 01:06:29.750
a lot of time on this. But again, we want to

01:06:29.750 --> 01:06:31.969
preach the whole counsel of God's Word and this

01:06:31.969 --> 01:06:34.280
is part of it. If you were born into a world

01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:36.800
at war, then this is the war. It is a spiritual

01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:39.559
war and it is real. And we got to know who the

01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:41.900
enemy is and how to identify him. And I hope

01:06:41.900 --> 01:06:45.199
for our listeners, our doers out there, and get

01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:48.380
to let nation. I got to learn to say that better.

01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:51.059
But anyway, I sound like Al Sharpton trying to

01:06:51.059 --> 01:06:54.920
talk about resist. But just tripping all over

01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:57.179
myself. Once you've heard that, you can't un

01:06:57.179 --> 01:06:58.239
-hear it. I know, you can't un -hear it. That's

01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:01.539
for sure. I may crack up when I read that on

01:07:01.539 --> 01:07:03.840
Sunday because this is where I'm going on Sunday,

01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:07.340
the four R's. I want to help our listeners understand

01:07:07.340 --> 01:07:09.760
that when these intrusive thoughts come to you,

01:07:09.780 --> 01:07:13.079
they are not necessarily your thoughts. We tend

01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:16.800
to just assume they are, but there's a very real

01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.300
enemy out there, a very real enemy. I prove that

01:07:20.300 --> 01:07:22.280
in the first, through Scripture in the first.

01:07:22.900 --> 01:07:26.559
Angels are real, demons are real, Satan is real.

01:07:27.239 --> 01:07:29.260
I brought out some of the characteristics of

01:07:29.260 --> 01:07:32.880
those. We'll go back on this coming Sunday and

01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:34.659
I'll retrace a little bit of that just to set

01:07:34.659 --> 01:07:37.099
that back up, but we're going to say, this is

01:07:37.099 --> 01:07:39.519
what you do about it. These are the four Rs and

01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:42.139
this is how to do it. We want to help people

01:07:42.139 --> 01:07:44.519
because you don't have to live with those thoughts

01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:46.699
that are bombarding your head every day. You

01:07:46.699 --> 01:07:54.360
can actually arrest them. It talks about we have

01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:57.460
the ability to take every thought captive and

01:07:57.460 --> 01:08:01.880
make it obedient to Christ. God's given us that

01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:05.639
ability to actually capture thoughts. So when

01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:08.280
these intrusive negative thoughts come, don't

01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:11.739
agree, capture them and put them under Christ.

01:08:12.260 --> 01:08:14.400
Place them there. I'm telling you, I learned

01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:16.739
that principle very early in my walk with Jesus.

01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:19.119
That's probably helped you a lot. Oh, man. It's

01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:21.500
still a go -to. Yeah. I mean, it's, no, I take

01:08:21.500 --> 01:08:22.899
that thought captive. This should be in like

01:08:22.899 --> 01:08:25.659
the toolkit when you come into church. Survival

01:08:25.659 --> 01:08:27.500
kit for you Christians. Here's what you need.

01:08:27.619 --> 01:08:29.460
This is your, exactly. Here's your backpack.

01:08:29.619 --> 01:08:31.460
Here's all the stuff you need in it. Yeah, for

01:08:31.460 --> 01:08:33.960
real. Before we thank people, because we are

01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:36.220
value for value. If you get value from this,

01:08:36.260 --> 01:08:38.399
we'd love for you to send it back. And that can

01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:41.420
be in so many different ways. Time, talent, treasure,

01:08:41.539 --> 01:08:44.199
telling someone about the pod. podcast. All the

01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:46.720
Scripture, by the way, that is mentioned on each

01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:52.439
podcast is in the show notes at WGTDT .com. I've

01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:55.140
got to thank Robbie the robot, pulls it all out,

01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:58.420
puts it nicely on the page for us. We do have

01:08:58.420 --> 01:09:01.300
a couple of questions that came in that I don't

01:09:01.300 --> 01:09:04.840
want to skip over. Rebecca Gurl, Rebecca Gurl.

01:09:06.180 --> 01:09:11.800
She said, what is a deist? Because I'm one of

01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:15.039
the curious. She's Christ curious and she wants

01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:18.960
to know what a deist is. Just by definition.

01:09:20.270 --> 01:09:23.829
You'll hear this in history, like they'll say

01:09:23.829 --> 01:09:26.930
the founding fathers were deists, but basically

01:09:26.930 --> 01:09:28.710
it's someone who believes that God exists and

01:09:28.710 --> 01:09:30.250
created the universe, but generally believes

01:09:30.250 --> 01:09:33.569
that God does not interact or intervene with

01:09:33.569 --> 01:09:37.409
us. So there is a force out there. There is a

01:09:37.409 --> 01:09:41.899
God, the universe, whatever. There's that. But

01:09:41.899 --> 01:09:44.399
there's not really any interplay or interaction.

01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:47.220
In other words, a deist kind of takes the safe

01:09:47.220 --> 01:09:50.199
ground of, oh yeah, God's real. God's real. You

01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:53.159
just can't know him. Yeah. So that's deism. It's

01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:55.779
just a barely sticking your foot in the water.

01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:59.060
Is that a little bit like the old priest back

01:09:59.060 --> 01:10:03.220
in the Old Testament? Like, well, he's real,

01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:04.739
but you can't know him unless you go through

01:10:04.739 --> 01:10:08.279
me? Is it different? No, it's a little different.

01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:10.399
It's different because he's saying, you can't

01:10:10.399 --> 01:10:13.920
know him. You just got to use me to do it. That's

01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.460
not the same. It's actually this idea that, no,

01:10:16.460 --> 01:10:20.060
God's real, but he's distant. He can't be reached.

01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:23.239
He can't be accessed. We have no access to God.

01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:25.979
So we live our lives the best we can and hope

01:10:25.979 --> 01:10:28.890
for the best at the end. No. That's dangerous.

01:10:29.510 --> 01:10:31.750
Another thing for the backpack. Yeah, exactly.

01:10:33.069 --> 01:10:36.090
It comes back to reasoning, intellectualism,

01:10:36.409 --> 01:10:39.590
intellectual assent. We just use our brains.

01:10:39.949 --> 01:10:42.470
Hey, if God's real and he created all this, well,

01:10:42.710 --> 01:10:44.850
we just use what he gave us and he'll be happy

01:10:44.850 --> 01:10:49.600
with that. Cameron Knapp, who has supported us

01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:52.439
with his beautiful checks. He was like, I don't

01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:55.600
want to use these. I don't want no fees. He sends

01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:58.319
us a check every single time. He said, you've

01:10:58.319 --> 01:10:59.699
mentioned this several times. What's the difference

01:10:59.699 --> 01:11:06.609
between an AI bot versus the chat bots? Muse,

01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:10.699
I highly recommend this. I highly recommend Muse.

01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:13.340
It is not trying to, a chat bot is trying to

01:11:13.340 --> 01:11:15.399
be your buddy telling you you're awesome. Talk

01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:17.520
back to you. It draws you into a conversation.

01:11:17.619 --> 01:11:20.460
It draws you in. Muse does not have a voice.

01:11:21.060 --> 01:11:24.939
You can talk to it, just like voice to text,

01:11:25.380 --> 01:11:28.850
but it just does helpful things. And I highly

01:11:28.850 --> 01:11:31.329
recommend it. I mean, it's good. You want to

01:11:31.329 --> 01:11:35.449
go to one level higher, then you can use Grokbot,

01:11:35.609 --> 01:11:38.510
and there's going to be a lot more. ChadGBT,

01:11:38.590 --> 01:11:40.869
not to be left behind. OpenAI, yesterday came

01:11:40.869 --> 01:11:43.529
out with DOTS. We have, they got bots, we got

01:11:43.529 --> 01:11:46.510
DOTS. And DOTS, I would stay away from DOTS,

01:11:46.569 --> 01:11:48.649
because DOTS is talking to you. The minute you

01:11:48.649 --> 01:11:51.960
put a voice onto it, I get wary because it's

01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:54.739
so easy to get sucked into that stuff. And if

01:11:54.739 --> 01:11:57.239
it starts saying to you, hey Adam, good morning

01:11:57.239 --> 01:11:59.960
to you, my car does this. I've turned it off

01:11:59.960 --> 01:12:02.119
now too. Good morning. When I put my fingerprint

01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:06.300
on it goes, good afternoon, Jimmy. With a picture

01:12:06.300 --> 01:12:10.119
of me. I was singing. I was singing a song. I

01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:14.600
was singing along to Hello Fred. Oh gosh, what

01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:20.449
gospel song was it? Oh, wow. It was like, I'm

01:12:20.449 --> 01:12:24.069
looking for a place. I was, it was something

01:12:24.069 --> 01:12:27.470
like, I'm looking for a place. Oh, a place in

01:12:27.470 --> 01:12:29.289
the, yeah, Michael. Oh, Michael W. C. Mayer,

01:12:29.470 --> 01:12:32.569
the king and country. A place in this world.

01:12:32.930 --> 01:12:35.510
And the car goes, finding a place in this world.

01:12:36.010 --> 01:12:38.449
I'm not kidding. I found several places in this

01:12:38.449 --> 01:12:40.750
world. Would you like to go to them? Like, you're

01:12:40.750 --> 01:12:44.880
done. I'm turning you off. I know ours interrupts

01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:46.619
us all the time and then I'll be talking and

01:12:46.619 --> 01:12:50.199
it thinks we called it and it'll say, okay, navigating

01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:53.920
to, you know, this is no good. That is the definition

01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:56.859
of no good. That's what you, it's not helpful.

01:12:57.439 --> 01:12:59.739
It's just your car company trying to get along,

01:12:59.859 --> 01:13:02.439
go along, get along. No good. Hey, we want to

01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:06.750
thank Stephen Beaver. He went to WGTDTdonations

01:13:06.750 --> 01:13:09.550
.com. He signed up for a full year subscription

01:13:09.550 --> 01:13:13.229
at $500. Man, thanks, Steve. Thank you so much.

01:13:13.710 --> 01:13:15.689
Huge. It's awesome. Really, really, really appreciate

01:13:15.689 --> 01:13:19.510
it. Awesome. Hey, we got Robert Sikowitz from

01:13:19.510 --> 01:13:22.869
Port Republic, New Jersey. Got a big note here.

01:13:22.949 --> 01:13:25.760
This is cool. Great show. Keep it up. Adam, what

01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:27.539
a blessing it has been listening to your journey

01:13:27.539 --> 01:13:29.479
of faith. I was drawn to you the first time I

01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:32.520
heard you on Rogan and then grew even more impressed

01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:35.359
with the No Agenda show before really being floored

01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:38.579
by your proclamation of faith on Rogan. One thing

01:13:38.579 --> 01:13:40.819
I find really inspiring is listening to you talk

01:13:40.819 --> 01:13:43.079
about your mission for the kingdom. It's not

01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:45.579
just talk. The transformation is evident in little

01:13:45.579 --> 01:13:48.920
things like giving up weed, your drive for enthusiasm,

01:13:49.340 --> 01:13:52.539
as you steer people to Christ. I am curious how

01:13:52.539 --> 01:13:55.079
your definition of success has changed over your

01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:57.779
life, specifically how it changed within you.

01:13:58.060 --> 01:13:59.739
You don't have to read this on the show, too

01:13:59.739 --> 01:14:04.060
late. Sorry. Unless you and Jimmy find it interesting,

01:14:04.140 --> 01:14:06.960
which we do, by the way. We do. Thank you, Tyler.

01:14:08.979 --> 01:14:13.079
Is it Tyler or Robert? It says Robert up on the

01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:15.020
name and then Tyler in the note. I think it's

01:14:15.020 --> 01:14:21.619
Tyler, Robert. My definition of success. How

01:14:21.619 --> 01:14:30.810
has it changed within you? Success is such a

01:14:30.810 --> 01:14:35.170
weird thing to talk about. For me, it's just

01:14:35.170 --> 01:14:37.010
bringing people to the kingdom. At this point,

01:14:38.069 --> 01:14:41.470
the commission is for me. I want to finish strong.

01:14:42.130 --> 01:14:44.789
What do I have left? We've got people dropping

01:14:44.789 --> 01:14:47.869
down left and right. What difference does it

01:14:47.869 --> 01:14:51.399
make? For me, success is... When I get into his

01:14:51.399 --> 01:14:54.680
kingdom and he says, well done, my faithful servant,

01:14:55.060 --> 01:14:57.880
probably then I'll say, all right, the mission

01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:00.399
was, I guess, a success. Love that. And I don't

01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:02.380
mind if I'm up in the nosebleed seat. Tina and

01:15:02.380 --> 01:15:03.939
I were laughing about that. She says, you know,

01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:06.380
we're going to have like paper crowns, you know.

01:15:07.439 --> 01:15:11.000
Wow, I don't agree. Not at all. We're joking

01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:15.500
around. Thank you, Tyler. Steven Helm comes in

01:15:15.500 --> 01:15:19.390
from Leewood, Kansas, 88, 88. Pickles! It starts

01:15:19.390 --> 01:15:22.289
right off. After hearing about Bo's amazing pickles,

01:15:22.989 --> 01:15:26.170
that's LouisianaDillPickles at gmail .com, I

01:15:26.170 --> 01:15:29.510
reached out to the man and I now believe the

01:15:29.510 --> 01:15:32.430
pickle making legend himself to see how I could

01:15:32.430 --> 01:15:35.109
secure a jar or preferably a case of these incredible

01:15:35.109 --> 01:15:37.840
pickles. Sadly, I learned Bo cannot sell over

01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:40.159
the state line. However, in a wonderful act of

01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:43.720
pickle generosity, Bo graciously sent me some

01:15:43.720 --> 01:15:46.439
to both try and more importantly, share with

01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:48.699
others along with God's word, which is on all

01:15:48.699 --> 01:15:51.439
of his jars and the lids. Wow, what a ministry

01:15:51.439 --> 01:15:53.819
and powerful way to multiply the spreading of

01:15:53.819 --> 01:15:57.340
the gospel. Well, the pickles did not disappoint.

01:15:57.859 --> 01:16:00.300
Since I cannot pay Bo, the only right thing to

01:16:00.300 --> 01:16:03.680
do was send a WGTDT donation. That's so nice.

01:16:04.069 --> 01:16:06.149
So thank you, Beau, for the delicious pickles,

01:16:06.210 --> 01:16:08.010
and thank you, Pastor Jimmy and Adam, for such

01:16:08.010 --> 01:16:10.869
a meaningful and engaging podcast. It's a joy

01:16:10.869 --> 01:16:13.050
to hear your weekly insights knowing how many

01:16:13.050 --> 01:16:15.109
seeds you are planting and watering, which bear

01:16:15.109 --> 01:16:18.869
fruit, both seen and unseen. We get to do this,

01:16:19.350 --> 01:16:22.800
Ceri. Thank you, Ceri. That is beautiful. And

01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:25.520
by the way, I forgot to, Tyler, he gave $100.

01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:28.399
I think I skipped right over the amount there.

01:16:28.659 --> 01:16:33.539
And I guess Ceri is Stephen's... Better half.

01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:36.819
It must be. I think so. Hey, I'm glad she discovered

01:16:36.819 --> 01:16:38.800
those pickles though. It's a game changer. It's

01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:42.079
a life changing. It's like a good ribeye, just

01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:44.319
change your life. There is something life changing

01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:46.619
about those pickles for sure. All right. And

01:16:46.619 --> 01:16:53.560
then we have a letter, a book from David Holthaus.

01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:57.260
No location, 8165. Thank you very much. Good

01:16:57.260 --> 01:17:00.680
afternoon. WGTDT. Hope it's not too late to send

01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:02.399
in a note. Probably don't need to read all of

01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:04.720
this on the podcast. Feel free to edit accordingly.

01:17:11.899 --> 01:17:15.279
times five. Wow. Clever. I love that. That's

01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:18.100
clever. Clever, David. John 16 donation. Okay.

01:17:18.539 --> 01:17:20.220
That's cool. It's cool. He says, I really appreciate

01:17:20.220 --> 01:17:21.899
both your time in the biblical view of the world.

01:17:22.060 --> 01:17:23.800
I listened to No Agenda for a while after Adam

01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:26.000
was on Rogan. Look at that, Adam. Yeah. Look

01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:28.699
how that just spun things off. I think back in

01:17:28.699 --> 01:17:32.439
2021, but fell away in that last year or so as

01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:34.819
I struggle with my feelings around news and just

01:17:34.819 --> 01:17:37.239
overall politics. I felt called to focus more

01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:39.510
on things that spoke to me deeper. Funny enough,

01:17:39.590 --> 01:17:41.069
around that time, I also started listening to

01:17:41.069 --> 01:17:43.390
a lot more sermons, but I missed Adam and your

01:17:43.390 --> 01:17:45.210
grounded takes on the world, so I was excited

01:17:45.210 --> 01:17:47.630
to hear you talk about this podcast, even though

01:17:47.630 --> 01:17:50.529
I don't always agree with your opinion or analysis.

01:17:50.529 --> 01:17:54.590
You shouldn't. That goes for all of us. I grew

01:17:54.590 --> 01:17:56.970
up in church, but fell away through my 20s, although

01:17:56.970 --> 01:17:59.430
I always had a strong feeling I needed to come

01:17:59.430 --> 01:18:01.529
back. Once I turned 30 this past year, I started

01:18:01.529 --> 01:18:04.649
going back to church. and feeling more like I'm

01:18:04.649 --> 01:18:06.810
missing something. Good for you. I watch the

01:18:06.810 --> 01:18:10.909
church of 1122 sometimes. No preacher has compelled

01:18:10.909 --> 01:18:13.449
me like Joby Martin's sermons. Yeah, he can bench

01:18:13.449 --> 01:18:16.590
press you 30 times too. But it's hard to connect

01:18:16.590 --> 01:18:19.829
a church that is remote. I also attend Life Church

01:18:19.829 --> 01:18:22.029
here in Kansas City. But again, the sermons are

01:18:22.029 --> 01:18:24.010
from a video, which always feels a little off

01:18:24.010 --> 01:18:26.529
to me. Hopefully I can find a church locally

01:18:26.529 --> 01:18:29.510
with an in -person pastor that also speaks to

01:18:29.510 --> 01:18:31.970
me. He just needs some prayers. For he and his

01:18:31.970 --> 01:18:34.390
fiancé, I'm going to read ahead a little bit.

01:18:34.810 --> 01:18:38.050
I don't want to go too deep on that. So yeah,

01:18:38.130 --> 01:18:41.609
he and his fiancé. They need prayers for their

01:18:41.609 --> 01:18:44.390
walk. Yeah, their walk with Jesus. It says, Jimmy,

01:18:44.510 --> 01:18:46.850
but also read your daily grind devotionals. They

01:18:46.850 --> 01:18:48.770
always hit the right note for me. Didn't want

01:18:48.770 --> 01:18:52.869
this to feel so Adam heavy. I was feeling left

01:18:52.869 --> 01:18:56.260
out. Not really, not. Sort of a rambling message,

01:18:56.380 --> 01:18:58.239
but I do appreciate you both on this podcast.

01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:00.020
The person who wrote in a couple of weeks ago

01:19:00.020 --> 01:19:02.020
talking about how she felt like she knew you

01:19:02.020 --> 01:19:05.100
all really resonated with me. I feel the same

01:19:05.100 --> 01:19:06.960
way. Like I have a one -sided friendship with

01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:09.359
you both. Always reminds me of the attached meme.

01:19:09.819 --> 01:19:13.130
Thank you both. I appreciate that. Our heart

01:19:13.130 --> 01:19:15.989
is to be transparent and to be genuine. You're

01:19:15.989 --> 01:19:17.909
going to get the real us. Even on a bad day,

01:19:18.029 --> 01:19:19.449
you're going to get the real us. And I hope that

01:19:19.449 --> 01:19:21.310
you can find a group, even if it's a small group,

01:19:21.350 --> 01:19:23.890
it doesn't have to be a church, just a bunch

01:19:23.890 --> 01:19:27.789
of people or guys. You can just do a Bible study

01:19:27.789 --> 01:19:31.449
with once a week or some regular basis. That's

01:19:31.449 --> 01:19:34.649
church too. We just happen to be fortunate enough

01:19:34.649 --> 01:19:36.569
to have this beautiful building that used to

01:19:36.569 --> 01:19:41.380
house classic cars. Yeah, no kidding. They ran

01:19:41.380 --> 01:19:43.340
horses and hot rods through this place. Horses

01:19:43.340 --> 01:19:45.600
and hot rods. Yeah, that's cool. So he has a

01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:48.039
note for you that's more techy, so I'll let you...

01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:53.399
Yeah, he wants to know about my local LLM setups.

01:19:53.539 --> 01:19:54.899
I'm going to have to start writing about this.

01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:57.079
People are asking me, so I won't take up the

01:19:57.079 --> 01:19:59.859
time on the podcast to do that, but I'm going

01:19:59.859 --> 01:20:03.609
to do a primer just like I did. hyperlocalpodcast

01:20:03.609 --> 01:20:06.289
.com. People always ask me, what gear do you

01:20:06.289 --> 01:20:08.850
use? How do I get started? Hyperlocalpodcast

01:20:08.850 --> 01:20:12.350
.com. That's Adam's official light up. Very cool.

01:20:12.609 --> 01:20:15.090
Open source, man. It makes the world go round.

01:20:15.550 --> 01:20:19.270
There he is, Michael Anastasio. He is the OG

01:20:19.270 --> 01:20:22.050
samunier of Curry and the Keeper and he is now

01:20:22.050 --> 01:20:24.229
supporting us here. He's in Raritan, New Jersey.

01:20:24.590 --> 01:20:27.369
He comes in with 77 .77 and it's the beautiful

01:20:27.369 --> 01:20:29.250
numbers we love on this show and he says, keep

01:20:29.250 --> 01:20:31.729
on keeping on brothers. And we will. Thank you

01:20:31.729 --> 01:20:35.550
so much. Beautiful. All right. John's name guest

01:20:35.550 --> 01:20:38.609
from email. John's Burt. We just call her John's

01:20:38.609 --> 01:20:41.250
Burt. John's Burt. No note there. $50. Thank

01:20:41.250 --> 01:20:43.909
you, brother. Appreciate it. Brian Albright from

01:20:43.909 --> 01:20:46.770
Port Angeles, Washington. $50. Thank you, Brian.

01:20:47.029 --> 01:20:49.409
Paul Erskine. We know Paul. We've seen him several

01:20:49.409 --> 01:20:52.569
times. Lake Forest Park, Washington. $50. Ex

01:20:52.569 --> 01:20:56.670
-Vermonters. I never received a note, but we

01:20:56.670 --> 01:20:59.409
got $50. And just looking from the emails, how

01:20:59.409 --> 01:21:01.569
we think you're... probably from Vermont, ex

01:21:01.569 --> 01:21:03.810
-Vermonters. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

01:21:04.090 --> 01:21:07.050
John Foley. We've seen John around as well. Nashville,

01:21:07.229 --> 01:21:11.279
Tennessee. Yay. I love Nashville. 33, 33. the

01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:13.600
numbers. Thank you for the show. He leaves a

01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:16.840
note there. Yes. He sent that in through a check

01:21:16.840 --> 01:21:20.439
and the return address on the envelope said former

01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:23.439
Texan. Oh, there you go. Sorry for your loss.

01:21:23.500 --> 01:21:25.319
Oh, was that? No, actually that was Gregory Stoddard.

01:21:25.460 --> 01:21:27.319
I'm sorry. There you go. That was Gregory Stoddard

01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:31.699
with 3333. We love the 3333s. Come on back, Greg.

01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:36.720
We love Nashville too. I do. And I'll get Mike

01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:40.739
Regenold, I think it is, from Collierville. Collierville,

01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:43.220
Tennessee? Yeah, that's up around Nashville.

01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:46.020
$25. Thank you for your faithfulness and continued

01:21:46.020 --> 01:21:48.020
wisdom and encouragement. And thank you for your

01:21:48.020 --> 01:21:49.159
encouragement. We appreciate it. Thanks, Mike,

01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:52.319
from Tennessee. Nicholas Stark with $5. Thank

01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:55.520
you, Nicholas. And Michael Mason with $3 .18.

01:21:55.819 --> 01:21:59.039
This is a special numerology donation. He says,

01:21:59.100 --> 01:22:01.380
I'm Michael Mason. Learned this podcast from

01:22:01.380 --> 01:22:05.500
No Agenda. This week I'm donating $3 .18 for

01:22:05.500 --> 01:22:09.579
Habakkuk. 318 from the NIV, yet I will rejoice

01:22:09.579 --> 01:22:12.739
in the Lord, I will be joyful in God my Savior.

01:22:13.399 --> 01:22:16.479
So there you go, 318, Habakkuk donation. Look

01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:18.439
forward to your next podcast. Hope you can expand

01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:21.260
it to two shows a week. Gee, we were just talking

01:22:21.260 --> 01:22:23.359
about that. If anyone's interested, I've made

01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:27.039
some Bible trivia videos at towardchrist .com.

01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:28.979
I hope they're encouraging and entertaining.

01:22:29.100 --> 01:22:30.520
I haven't looked at them yet, but we will, Mike.

01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:32.260
Thank you very much. Thanks, Mike. Appreciate

01:22:32.260 --> 01:22:36.220
that. And from Dwayne Spelman, a dollar and 53

01:22:36.220 --> 01:22:38.920
cents as promised. Every single podcast. I love

01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:40.600
it. Thank you. That makes the world go round.

01:22:40.779 --> 01:22:44.000
It does. Thank you all so much. WGTDdonations

01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:48.920
.com. Also WGTDT .com just for the, to sign up

01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:50.760
for the newsletter. It's a sub stack so you can

01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:54.560
also comment and post notes and Lord knows what

01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:57.140
you can do on the sub stack. My sub stack app

01:22:57.140 --> 01:23:00.180
makes my eyes roll in the back of my head. Like

01:23:00.180 --> 01:23:03.229
there's so much to do here. But also, we have

01:23:03.229 --> 01:23:05.750
the show notes. We give you the rundown and all

01:23:05.750 --> 01:23:08.289
of the scripture that's discussed. And thank

01:23:08.289 --> 01:23:10.770
you, brother. This was another enjoyable show.

01:23:11.069 --> 01:23:12.930
Love doing this. Love catching up with you, because

01:23:12.930 --> 01:23:16.189
that's really all this is. We would have done

01:23:16.189 --> 01:23:18.229
this with or without microphones. That is true.

01:23:18.409 --> 01:23:20.550
But to be able to do it, and thanks to your support,

01:23:20.569 --> 01:23:24.430
to be able to do this is a great blessing. Want

01:23:24.430 --> 01:23:26.689
to close us out with your DG? I'm going to land

01:23:26.689 --> 01:23:28.289
with a daily grind. I'm going to actually pick

01:23:28.289 --> 01:23:31.029
one from two days ago. I was wrestling with this.

01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:34.479
This one means a lot to me personally, and it's

01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:38.579
titled, This is the Daily Grind. And the scripture

01:23:38.579 --> 01:23:42.739
is Colossians 4 verse 2, continue steadfastly

01:23:42.739 --> 01:23:45.960
in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving.

01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:49.399
And the title of today's Daily Grind is, What

01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:52.579
if you just prayed? As Paul wraps up his letter

01:23:52.579 --> 01:23:55.100
to the Colossians, he ends with practical counsel

01:23:55.100 --> 01:23:58.979
to continue in prayer, being expectant with thanksgiving.

01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:01.760
Thanksgiving leavens prayer so it doesn't become

01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:04.899
a wish list. My phrase for the year is, let's

01:24:04.899 --> 01:24:07.920
pray more. Today's verse captures that idea.

01:24:08.500 --> 01:24:10.680
I've prayed with many people this year outside

01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:13.079
of the four walls of the church, and I quickly

01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:16.079
realized that people welcome prayer with open

01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:19.779
arms. So today, ask someone if you can pray for

01:24:19.779 --> 01:24:23.159
them as the Spirit leads. Be brief, discreet,

01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:26.420
and respectful as you pray. I like to ask, would

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it be okay if I prayed for you? By the way, in

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43 years of being in ministry, I've never had

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a single person turn me down on that question.

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Prayer, here it is. Father, open my eyes to see

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those who could use a prayer of encouragement

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as I go about my day. In Jesus' name, amen.