WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.240 Father, we honor you today. Thank you for the 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.320 privilege of what we get to do. And Lord, we 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:07.160 pray for those who will be listening to this 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:10.400 podcast, that it won't just be a show or podcast. 00:00:10.539 --> 00:00:12.820 It would be something that is life -giving, like 00:00:12.820 --> 00:00:16.480 this wellsprings of life pouring into them, encouraging 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:19.019 them, building them up, helping them navigate. 00:00:19.390 --> 00:00:22.350 the complexities of the culture and the day and 00:00:22.350 --> 00:00:25.070 history in which we live. We give this all to 00:00:25.070 --> 00:00:52.899 you in Jesus' name. Amen. We get to do this We 00:00:52.899 --> 00:00:57.039 get to do this and we are doing it from two different 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:01.039 continents both of us have a Slight hotel room 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:04.659 echo, which is just that's only no doubt only 00:01:04.659 --> 00:01:06.959 for the nerds who might hear it I am in Rotterdam 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:11.659 the Netherlands my brother on the other end is 00:01:11.659 --> 00:01:15.620 in Marble Falls, Texas Yeah, right off the big 00:01:15.620 --> 00:01:18.579 lakes like Travis Lake LBJ. It's a beautiful 00:01:18.579 --> 00:01:22.260 place Out overlooking a golf course that I didn't 00:01:22.260 --> 00:01:25.079 get to play on but it's been it's been beautiful 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:26.939 It's beautiful here. It's just a getaway for 00:01:26.939 --> 00:01:29.719 our our staff and our team We do an annual planning 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.299 retreat where we take the whole staff We rent 00:01:32.299 --> 00:01:35.500 a big Airbnb that sleeps everybody Wow spend 00:01:35.500 --> 00:01:38.939 about three days together and we just We cook 00:01:38.939 --> 00:01:42.299 together. I cooked out filets last night, tenderloins 00:01:42.299 --> 00:01:46.079 for the whole team. It's just fun. It has a pool 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:47.980 here, so just in the afternoons we have some 00:01:47.980 --> 00:01:51.340 downtime. We get out in the pool. It's just great 00:01:51.340 --> 00:01:54.980 conversations. We're building life. When you're 00:01:54.980 --> 00:01:59.319 working in any work environment, but ours specifically, 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:01.439 when we're working with what we believe is a 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:03.620 very high call and a high purpose, and that's 00:02:03.620 --> 00:02:07.299 to honor God. and make much of Jesus and make 00:02:07.299 --> 00:02:10.139 heaven crowded. When you're doing that, it's 00:02:10.139 --> 00:02:11.960 a different kind of pressure. And so we get away 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:14.340 like this. We're going to do it twice a year 00:02:14.340 --> 00:02:16.840 instead of once a year. So we've scheduled another 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:18.979 half year thing because it's so good for our 00:02:18.979 --> 00:02:22.520 team because we enjoy being together, laughing 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:25.530 together, cooking. hanging out. It's just so 00:02:25.530 --> 00:02:28.590 good for us. It's healthy. And I believe that 00:02:28.590 --> 00:02:31.250 on the last evening, you do almost like the Rock 00:02:31.250 --> 00:02:33.469 and Roll Hall of Fame. Don't you do a jam session 00:02:33.469 --> 00:02:35.469 altogether because the worship team is there? 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:38.900 We did that last year with Russ. This year, we 00:02:38.900 --> 00:02:41.560 wanted to laugh, so we watched a Tim Hawkins 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:45.039 special. Oh, okay. That's great. We roared for 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:47.900 an hour and a half, man. It was so stinking funny. 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:50.259 If anybody doesn't know who Tim Hawkins is, check 00:02:50.259 --> 00:02:53.500 him out on YouTube. He's a Christian comedian 00:02:53.500 --> 00:02:56.460 and he's just always on the edge of, oh my gosh, 00:02:56.460 --> 00:02:59.840 that was almost inappropriate. He just skirts 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:03.960 the edge. He's hilarious and just so much fun. 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.069 So we were like, let's Let's have some fun. This 00:03:07.069 --> 00:03:11.210 has been about enjoying each other, having fun, 00:03:11.729 --> 00:03:14.030 and just doing life together. We watched some 00:03:14.030 --> 00:03:17.389 other comedians. J .J. Rawlings is another one. 00:03:17.430 --> 00:03:21.610 She's a female who's just hilarious. We just 00:03:21.610 --> 00:03:24.650 had a good time. We did some worship. Pastor 00:03:24.650 --> 00:03:27.189 Russ led us in worship. Of course, we spent time 00:03:27.189 --> 00:03:29.969 in prayer, but we also spent a lot of time. We 00:03:29.969 --> 00:03:31.669 plan out the whole calendar for the year, the 00:03:31.669 --> 00:03:34.199 master calendar. It gives us a roadmap. so that 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:38.219 we're not just flying blind. And then I just 00:03:38.219 --> 00:03:40.939 kind of have a dream casting vision or dream 00:03:40.939 --> 00:03:43.400 casting session where I just kind of go down 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:45.680 to my heart and say, this is what I see. This 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:48.699 is my view of the state of the union and this 00:03:48.699 --> 00:03:51.740 is where I believe God's taking us. So that's 00:03:51.740 --> 00:03:53.759 kind of good for our team so that everything 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.159 we do, we're staying on the same page. For anybody 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:58.280 who thinks that running a church is just showing 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:00.919 up on Sunday, you're wrong. There's a lot more 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:03.539 to it. Hey, happy first anniversary, brother. 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:07.319 Brother, we did it. Yeah, we started our first 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.659 episode on September 3rd last year, which is 00:04:10.659 --> 00:04:13.819 tomorrow, which Tina reminded me of this. I didn't 00:04:13.819 --> 00:04:16.459 even remember, but that's my birthday, September 00:04:16.459 --> 00:04:19.240 3rd. I can't brother. I don't remember happy 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:21.420 birthday. Thank you I'm not saying it for that 00:04:21.420 --> 00:04:25.720 reason because you know 62 is like oh man the 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:29.519 jet lag is hitting me harder By the way, I have 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:33.060 to say We're in Rotterdam. I've never stayed 00:04:33.060 --> 00:04:35.540 in Rotterdam. I'm an Amsterdam guy. That's when 00:04:35.540 --> 00:04:38.980 I grew up and Because we're just here and we'll 00:04:38.980 --> 00:04:41.939 get into that in a second to see my daughter 00:04:41.939 --> 00:04:47.500 and our granddaughter We decided to stay in Rotterdam 00:04:47.500 --> 00:04:50.819 right near the central station. This town is 00:04:50.819 --> 00:04:56.740 amazing. I mean, it is modern. Most of Rotterdam 00:04:56.740 --> 00:04:58.920 was destroyed during the Second World War, except 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:04.279 some neighborhoods on the outskirts. And it has 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:08.199 just been rebuilt. People come here just to look 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:09.899 at some of the architecture. It's not really 00:05:09.899 --> 00:05:14.699 on the tourist... itinerary to come to Rotterdam. 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:17.639 And I always kind of like, man, Rotterdam, I 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.819 don't know, but wow, we are just loving it. It 00:05:20.819 --> 00:05:24.000 is a fantastic city if you're coming to the Netherlands. 00:05:24.420 --> 00:05:27.459 I'd say hop on a train. It's about 45 minutes 00:05:27.459 --> 00:05:30.620 from Amsterdam. So we are here, of course, to 00:05:30.620 --> 00:05:34.620 finally meet Cleo, or as we say here in the Netherlands, 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:39.819 Cleo, our granddaughter, and holy, holy, holy. 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:45.660 Holy moly, Jesus, God, Holy Spirit. Man, if you 00:05:45.660 --> 00:05:52.339 want to see God's work, just stare at a baby 00:05:52.339 --> 00:05:57.569 for an hour and you just see all... Mean the 00:05:57.569 --> 00:06:01.410 little fingers and the fingernails and the and 00:06:01.410 --> 00:06:04.810 the breathing mechanism and how we Yeah, but 00:06:04.810 --> 00:06:07.009 but also just how the whole thing is working, 00:06:07.029 --> 00:06:09.730 you know, and she's tiny She's she's six weeks 00:06:09.730 --> 00:06:13.449 old and she's seven pounds six ounces So she 00:06:13.449 --> 00:06:16.689 was even tinier when she was born, but it's just 00:06:16.689 --> 00:06:20.389 you know and how just you know, you she she knows 00:06:20.389 --> 00:06:23.420 that she needs food and And then she also knows 00:06:23.420 --> 00:06:27.819 that it needs to get out, which is amazing. All 00:06:27.819 --> 00:06:32.819 right, baby. That girl's healthy. Everything's 00:06:32.819 --> 00:06:36.519 working. Oh, man. It's just been a delight. Tina 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.879 and I are just total, because our names are Grandpa 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.660 and Gigi, and we're jumping in like, okay, you 00:06:43.660 --> 00:06:47.120 guys go lay down for an hour. We're cooking dinner 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:50.160 for them. It is such a delight. It is so much 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.399 fun to do this. It really, really is. I'm just 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:56.620 over the moon about it. It's fantastic. I've 00:06:56.620 --> 00:06:58.600 always asked this question because when I saw 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:02.740 our youngest Faith be born, I was so taken aback 00:07:02.740 --> 00:07:04.990 by it, just like what you're saying. I was like, 00:07:05.089 --> 00:07:11.829 how can anyone not believe in intelligent design? 00:07:12.209 --> 00:07:16.529 That there's a God who has woven us together 00:07:16.529 --> 00:07:20.870 in our mother's womb. Psalm 139 talks about this. 00:07:20.910 --> 00:07:22.629 This is such a beautiful thing. I want to look 00:07:22.629 --> 00:07:25.250 this up real quick because it'll be worth a moment 00:07:25.250 --> 00:07:29.170 to find that. So Psalm 139, I'm looking, going, 00:07:29.389 --> 00:07:32.209 I'm cruising. Check this out. This is beautiful. 00:07:33.310 --> 00:07:38.649 Here we go. Is this, you knitted me in the womb? 00:07:39.029 --> 00:07:40.689 Yes. Yeah, I love this. Yeah, it's a great one. 00:07:40.990 --> 00:07:44.449 So think about this in light of Cleo. For you 00:07:44.449 --> 00:07:47.529 formed my inward parts. You knitted me together 00:07:47.529 --> 00:07:50.709 in my mother's womb. I praise you for I'm fearfully 00:07:50.709 --> 00:07:53.569 and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works. 00:07:54.089 --> 00:07:57.600 My soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:00.879 from you when I was being made in secret, intricately 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.860 woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw 00:08:03.860 --> 00:08:06.980 my unformed substance. In your book were written 00:08:06.980 --> 00:08:09.920 every one of them, the days that were formed 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:13.879 for me. When as yet there was none of them. How 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.399 precious to me are your thoughts, O God. How 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:19.399 vast is the sum of them. If I would count them, 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:23.120 they are more than the sand. I awake and I am 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:27.430 still with you." Well exactly that and I look 00:08:27.430 --> 00:08:30.509 at her and I think what does God have in store 00:08:30.509 --> 00:08:35.649 for this brand new human resource? Come on Come 00:08:35.649 --> 00:08:39.669 on this unit Yeah, so it's a bit funny and the 00:08:39.669 --> 00:08:42.009 technology is great. So Christina went out she 00:08:42.009 --> 00:08:44.110 wanted to go just go to the store and do some 00:08:44.110 --> 00:08:48.009 stuff and so We're hanging out and Cleo woke 00:08:48.009 --> 00:08:53.059 up and she was hungry now so Tina She's like, 00:08:53.220 --> 00:08:56.360 give me that baby. So she's got the baby. The 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:59.259 baby's hungry, so she's crying. And I'm getting 00:08:59.259 --> 00:09:04.840 the milk warmed up. And the warmer thing is USB 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:07.659 charge. Of course, it wasn't charged. So I'm 00:09:07.659 --> 00:09:09.740 like, I'm plugging it in. It keeps going off. 00:09:09.860 --> 00:09:12.940 I'm turning it off. And Christina texts me. She 00:09:12.940 --> 00:09:15.179 says, oh, because she has a baby monitor. And 00:09:15.179 --> 00:09:19.019 when the baby cries, then it alerts on her phone. 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:22.820 And then it actually has an interpretation. She 00:09:22.820 --> 00:09:27.940 says, she's hungry. Wow. I know. It picks up 00:09:27.940 --> 00:09:30.779 on the signal. That's amazing. And of course, 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:33.899 even we were like, she's hungry. This is obvious. 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.779 We got the timing down and everything. Right. 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:38.879 But it was just so, so interesting that she, 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:42.539 oh, I hear her crying and like, don't worry about 00:09:42.539 --> 00:09:45.340 it. We got it covered, you know. Wow. It's a 00:09:45.340 --> 00:09:46.700 different day, isn't it? To raise a baby. It 00:09:46.700 --> 00:09:49.980 really is. It really is. Technology. We got a 00:09:49.980 --> 00:09:51.960 lot to talk about, but I wanted to start off 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:55.639 with, I wouldn't typically do this, but I want 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:57.779 to start off with a note that came in along with 00:09:57.779 --> 00:10:01.019 a donation because it's someone I know. She's 00:10:01.019 --> 00:10:04.220 a friend. Her name is Rocky Thomas. Actually, 00:10:04.409 --> 00:10:06.669 I know her so well. She's been on podcasting 00:10:06.669 --> 00:10:12.070 2 .0. I've been on stage with her at podcast 00:10:12.070 --> 00:10:14.470 movement in Dallas, but I know her so well. She 00:10:14.470 --> 00:10:24.320 actually has her own jingle. I want to jingle. 00:10:24.379 --> 00:10:27.500 That's awesome. I'll make you a jingle. That's 00:10:27.500 --> 00:10:30.940 cool. And so she sent in a donation and it was 00:10:30.940 --> 00:10:33.559 just such a beautiful note that she sent. I want 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:35.480 to kick it off because this is something that 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.960 I think that in Get To Nation and people who 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:41.820 have just joined us, there's a lot of people 00:10:41.820 --> 00:10:44.200 and we see it. We see it in the emails, people 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:46.379 who are coming back to their faith, people who 00:10:46.379 --> 00:10:49.940 are Christ curious, you know, like, hey, what 00:10:49.940 --> 00:10:51.639 is this all about? What are you guys talking 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:56.129 about? And so she sent in a donation of $29 .13, 00:10:56.450 --> 00:10:59.110 which will become apparent in a moment. She says, 00:10:59.129 --> 00:11:01.250 Hi Adam and Pastor Jimmy, I've been listening 00:11:01.250 --> 00:11:03.830 since the first episode and we get to do this 00:11:03.830 --> 00:11:06.250 has been a vital part of my journey towards a 00:11:06.250 --> 00:11:09.070 more Christian focused life. I feel my journey 00:11:09.070 --> 00:11:11.289 to Christianity may be similar to Adam's and 00:11:11.289 --> 00:11:14.450 while I'm not 100 % there, I listen each week 00:11:14.450 --> 00:11:17.110 with an open mind and heart with hopes that one 00:11:17.110 --> 00:11:19.970 day my logical nerdy Spock brain will turn off 00:11:19.970 --> 00:11:23.230 and just believe. Appreciating the value I always 00:11:23.230 --> 00:11:25.850 receive, I want to create a Christian slash Christ 00:11:25.850 --> 00:11:29.110 Curious donation of 2913 to represent Jeremiah 00:11:29.110 --> 00:11:33.450 2913. You will seek me and find me when you seek 00:11:33.450 --> 00:11:35.950 me with all your heart. And I hope this donation 00:11:35.950 --> 00:11:38.509 amount encourages other curious folks like me 00:11:38.509 --> 00:11:41.529 to give while we find our path. Rocky Thomas 00:11:41.529 --> 00:11:45.970 from Bailey, Colorado. Beautiful. And this must 00:11:45.970 --> 00:11:49.629 be one of the number one things that you as a 00:11:49.629 --> 00:11:53.210 pastor hear. I've heard you preach about this 00:11:53.210 --> 00:11:57.309 multiple times. How do we get to that? And I 00:11:57.309 --> 00:11:59.529 can tell my story, but I'd love you to start 00:11:59.529 --> 00:12:02.169 off with how do people get to that step where 00:12:02.169 --> 00:12:05.070 they like just put it all aside and believe? 00:12:07.029 --> 00:12:09.970 I have to tell you straight up, this is a work 00:12:09.970 --> 00:12:13.519 of the Spirit of God. It's a work of grace. The 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.120 scripture says that faith comes by hearing and 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.240 hearing by the message of Christ or the gospel. 00:12:18.659 --> 00:12:21.679 So when we hear the message of Christ, it stirs 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:24.279 up something inside of us, it's faith. But the 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.659 scripture also says that Jesus Christ is the 00:12:28.659 --> 00:12:31.580 author and the finisher of our faith. In other 00:12:31.580 --> 00:12:33.940 words, it starts with him and ends with him, 00:12:33.940 --> 00:12:36.559 and in the middle, we get to participate. And 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:40.049 so when someone gets to that point, That tells 00:12:40.049 --> 00:12:44.009 me that Christ is already at work in them, drawing 00:12:44.009 --> 00:12:49.149 them, wooing them, bringing signs to them along 00:12:49.149 --> 00:12:52.669 the way. All a sign does is point to a greater 00:12:52.669 --> 00:12:54.889 reality. You don't stop at a sign and say, I've 00:12:54.889 --> 00:12:57.950 arrived. The sign points to something. So he 00:12:57.950 --> 00:13:01.889 leaves signs that are pointing to him. And we 00:13:01.889 --> 00:13:04.210 see them and it's like... And it could be the 00:13:04.210 --> 00:13:06.629 simplest thing. I mean, it could be a million 00:13:06.629 --> 00:13:09.450 things, but he will leave signs along the way 00:13:09.450 --> 00:13:12.730 pointing toward him. And then like Rocky, who's 00:13:12.730 --> 00:13:15.529 making that journey back and stepping back in, 00:13:15.970 --> 00:13:18.490 all it takes is a mustard seed of faith. He's 00:13:18.490 --> 00:13:21.450 not asking for huge mountain moving faith. He 00:13:21.450 --> 00:13:23.590 says, if you just have the seed of a mustard 00:13:23.590 --> 00:13:26.710 seed, the faith of a mustard seed, and you believe, 00:13:27.009 --> 00:13:30.700 that's enough. And so I just see that God is 00:13:30.700 --> 00:13:33.179 stirring things in a lot of people across the 00:13:33.179 --> 00:13:35.960 world right now. Especially here in America, 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:38.019 we're seeing amazing things. It's closer, so 00:13:38.019 --> 00:13:40.279 we're obviously more familiar with what's happening 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:43.519 here. But the groundswell of spiritual awakening 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:47.100 is happening. And so Rocky's a part of that wave, 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:51.519 which is really exciting for her. And I understand 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:55.200 this question so well because my faith journey 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.720 really started with just me asking Dave Jones 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:02.379 and Texas Slim and asking them about their experiences, 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:05.740 reading an article by Naomi Wolf, of all people, 00:14:06.259 --> 00:14:08.860 who had a very... Because when Rocky says her 00:14:08.860 --> 00:14:11.440 nerdy Spock brain, I understand she's thinking 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:16.350 about logic. And I've heard... Many pastors, 00:14:16.350 --> 00:14:18.309 yourself included, say, hey, you know, we already 00:14:18.309 --> 00:14:20.149 have so much faith in our lives. And you get 00:14:20.149 --> 00:14:22.169 on the airplane, you have faith that thing's 00:14:22.169 --> 00:14:23.730 going to fly, it's going to land where you want 00:14:23.730 --> 00:14:25.870 it to be. You know, you get in the car, you have 00:14:25.870 --> 00:14:27.870 faith you're going to get to the place where 00:14:27.870 --> 00:14:29.970 you want to be. And we all know that there's, 00:14:29.970 --> 00:14:32.429 you know, sometimes it doesn't happen, but that 00:14:32.429 --> 00:14:36.330 faith is just there continuously. And, you know, 00:14:36.470 --> 00:14:41.009 after my logic journey, as it were, was purely 00:14:41.009 --> 00:14:44.919 one of logic, came from hey, if there's such 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:47.600 a great evil in the world, there's probably a 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:52.559 balance. So that was part one. Part two was I'm 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:55.019 approaching this as a big conspiracy theory. 00:14:55.019 --> 00:14:58.720 And I've done a lot of those. And I have faith 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:03.159 in the conclusions I've drawn about multiple 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:06.120 things, but maybe an easy one is COVID. I think 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:09.159 almost, forget vaccines and all that. That's 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.700 not important. But I think everybody sees that 00:15:11.700 --> 00:15:15.059 it was pretty overblown where we were taken in 00:15:15.059 --> 00:15:18.620 the world. And for me, it was like, well, if 00:15:18.620 --> 00:15:21.000 I approach this as a conspiracy theory and I 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:24.179 just approach scripture and everything I can 00:15:24.179 --> 00:15:27.480 read, and I'm always hungry for information, 00:15:28.220 --> 00:15:31.039 it's just like reading research documents. Once 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:34.419 I got into it, within two weeks, and I was reading 00:15:34.419 --> 00:15:37.690 books like, this is one for you, Rocky. evidence 00:15:37.690 --> 00:15:41.470 that demands a verdict. Once I read that and 00:15:41.470 --> 00:15:44.950 I saw all the evidence, geological evidence, 00:15:45.110 --> 00:15:48.470 written evidence, correlated evidence, I was 00:15:48.470 --> 00:15:52.909 like, okay, this is much bigger. There's more 00:15:52.909 --> 00:15:56.210 evidence about Christ being real, God being real, 00:15:56.230 --> 00:15:59.710 the Holy Spirit being real, Christ's existence 00:15:59.710 --> 00:16:02.610 on the earth. It's much bigger than anything 00:16:02.610 --> 00:16:07.100 I've ever strung yarn between pins. That for 00:16:07.100 --> 00:16:10.559 me, it was, and once I was there, I'm like, that's 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:14.840 it. I'm there. And then it's, I find it easy 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.399 if you just tell people, say it out loud. Hey, 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.779 I believe, man. I am a believer. And no one - 00:16:21.779 --> 00:16:24.279 You went on Joe Rogan and said, I'm a Jesus freak. 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.139 And no one threw stones at me. That's the amazing 00:16:27.139 --> 00:16:29.059 thing. It's become quite acceptable. You actually, 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:34.159 you were going to talk about, Are we seeing a 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:37.480 true revival in America since now we're talking 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.059 about Rocky? Or are we just reading headlines 00:16:40.059 --> 00:16:43.519 about revival? Do you need an awakening first 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.419 before you get a rival? I mean, I know that this 00:16:46.419 --> 00:16:49.860 probably came up in the retreat you had these 00:16:49.860 --> 00:16:53.039 past few days. Yeah, we talked about that. And 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.220 there's kind of a distinction between awakening 00:16:56.220 --> 00:17:01.120 and revival. So awakening is when The presence 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:04.039 of God, Spirit of God moves across a city, a 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.960 church, a state, whatever, a nation sometimes, 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:08.880 sometimes across the world. We've had several 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.299 great awakenings in our history. And the awakening 00:17:12.299 --> 00:17:15.759 is the part where people become open to and sensitive 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:19.059 to the spiritual realm. They begin to wonder 00:17:19.059 --> 00:17:21.759 about God, think about God, and sometimes for 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:24.140 no apparent reason. It just starts to happen, 00:17:24.180 --> 00:17:26.420 but that's the work of the Spirit drawing people 00:17:26.420 --> 00:17:29.359 to Himself. And it seems to happen and it'll 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:32.240 start in one place, but it'll spread like a wildfire. 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.000 It'll spread like, I'm not going to say COVID, 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:37.599 but it'll spread like something. It just spreads. 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.480 It goes viral, so to speak. And that's a very 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:44.200 good way to say it. So we believe, and as we've 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:45.740 talked about it, and I've read a lot on this 00:17:45.740 --> 00:17:47.759 too, is a lot of the guys that probably are a 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:51.599 lot more smarter than I am will say America's 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:55.430 really in a season of awakening. And of course, 00:17:55.470 --> 00:17:58.329 what we want to see is that move to full blown 00:17:58.329 --> 00:18:00.650 revival. So the difference between awakening 00:18:00.650 --> 00:18:03.869 and revival, awakening is broad and it's sort 00:18:03.869 --> 00:18:06.789 of just, it's like the soil is fertile and ready 00:18:06.789 --> 00:18:10.710 to receive the seed of revival. Revival is when 00:18:10.710 --> 00:18:13.769 literally the spirit begins to move upon people, 00:18:13.869 --> 00:18:17.230 men, women, children, I mean all demographics 00:18:17.230 --> 00:18:21.910 and people begin to come to accept Christ's sacrifice. 00:18:22.250 --> 00:18:24.950 What he did on the cross for their sins and they're 00:18:24.950 --> 00:18:28.289 born again. So they're reborn and rebirth is 00:18:28.289 --> 00:18:33.029 a real mark of revival Awakening people become 00:18:33.029 --> 00:18:36.410 and I love your word Christ curious And that's 00:18:36.410 --> 00:18:38.509 really where we are right now across the world 00:18:38.509 --> 00:18:41.470 people are Christ curious Yeah, because what 00:18:41.470 --> 00:18:43.910 we've tried before is not working what what we're 00:18:43.910 --> 00:18:46.049 what we're putting our energy into what we're 00:18:46.049 --> 00:18:48.930 pouring into ourselves We're not getting peace. 00:18:48.930 --> 00:18:51.799 We're not getting a sense of mission or purpose. 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:55.019 We're just trying to survive and that's no way 00:18:55.019 --> 00:19:00.099 to live long -term. Isn't a way like the 70s 00:19:00.099 --> 00:19:03.359 or the late 60s, I should say, when we had an 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.480 awakening and a revival in the United States, 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:07.720 the way I always view that having seen Jesus 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:12.819 Revolution, the movie, is we tried all the drugs, 00:19:13.059 --> 00:19:14.980 we hung out with all the hippies, did all the 00:19:14.980 --> 00:19:19.059 guru stuff. Today I would say, We've scrolled 00:19:19.059 --> 00:19:22.400 all the timelines, we've got all the apps, we've 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.220 got the location pings, and none of it's making 00:19:25.220 --> 00:19:28.119 us happy. In fact, quite the opposite. And that 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:31.680 is where I believe this curiosity comes from. 00:19:32.660 --> 00:19:36.000 I agree. I think when you move a culture into 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:39.720 a season of massive discontent and nothing seems 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:42.799 to fill the void, they begin looking outside 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:44.880 of that. And that's when people become Christ 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:47.660 curious. And the Holy Spirit leverages that. 00:19:47.819 --> 00:19:51.079 He leverages those seasons and those times. The 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.259 Great Awakening, the First Great Awakening in 00:19:53.259 --> 00:19:57.579 America, which happened right around the time 00:19:57.579 --> 00:20:00.539 of the American Revolution, it was because there 00:20:00.539 --> 00:20:03.819 was so much fear. Believe it or not, there was 00:20:03.819 --> 00:20:06.759 fear mongering back then as well. Dumpster fires, 00:20:06.779 --> 00:20:08.720 they didn't have dumpsters, but there were fires. 00:20:09.779 --> 00:20:11.900 And they could set their hair on fire, I guess. 00:20:12.259 --> 00:20:16.460 But that was happening and it was just tremendous 00:20:16.460 --> 00:20:20.859 cultural volatility, where nothing seems secure, 00:20:21.099 --> 00:20:24.259 nothing seems safe, the future looked bleak, 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:27.299 and people began to cry out to God, people began 00:20:27.299 --> 00:20:30.440 to turn to something bigger than themselves, 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:32.640 and they didn't find it in Allah, and they didn't 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:36.539 find it in Buddha, and so they... they turn to 00:20:36.539 --> 00:20:40.339 God. And when a nation turns to God and they 00:20:40.339 --> 00:20:43.160 begin to seek God and they begin to seek His 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:48.240 face and repent from their ways, God shows up. 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:50.720 He heals their land. And that's exactly what 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:53.440 happened in the first great awakening. It was 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:56.660 happening through the colonies and through great 00:20:56.660 --> 00:21:02.200 preachers like George Whitefield and the Methodist 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:06.980 boys. The Wesley brothers, God was using them 00:21:06.980 --> 00:21:10.680 and they were preaching revivals, services outdoor 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:14.039 in fields and in city squares to thousands and 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:18.599 thousands of people. It's postulated that of 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:23.339 all the 13 colonies, over 80 % or around 80 % 00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:26.539 heard the gospel message during that time. Yeah, 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:29.779 that's crazy. And this revival broke out where 00:21:29.779 --> 00:21:32.279 people were getting saved. They were getting, 00:21:32.339 --> 00:21:34.740 we used the word, reborn. They were getting born 00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:38.460 again, reborn. And it was a massive revival. 00:21:38.859 --> 00:21:43.579 And it also fueled this sense of God -given right 00:21:43.579 --> 00:21:46.039 to freedom, which fueled the American Revolution. 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:51.259 Yeah. And once you witness that, I just call 00:21:51.259 --> 00:21:54.019 it complete surrender, knowing that God is in 00:21:54.019 --> 00:21:58.230 charge, Man, your life changes so much. I'm not 00:21:58.230 --> 00:22:00.990 so messed up, like, ah, I've got to control this. 00:22:01.069 --> 00:22:03.769 No, no, no, I'm not in control. I have to listen 00:22:03.769 --> 00:22:05.710 to where I'm supposed to go and how I'm supposed 00:22:05.710 --> 00:22:08.029 to act and what I'm supposed to do. And I have 00:22:08.029 --> 00:22:11.390 the owner's manual, known as the Bible, and I 00:22:11.390 --> 00:22:14.410 look things up all the time, like, oh, man, how 00:22:14.410 --> 00:22:17.490 about this situation? And you get some real wisdom. 00:22:17.670 --> 00:22:20.809 And this is, since we've been talking about technology, 00:22:22.220 --> 00:22:25.539 there is certainly amongst believers and Christians 00:22:25.539 --> 00:22:32.519 a a severe and not exclusively but a severe almost 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:39.859 irrational fear of data centers and this is it's 00:22:39.859 --> 00:22:43.220 I really want to help make sense of what is going 00:22:43.220 --> 00:22:46.059 on why people are feeling this fear where it's 00:22:46.059 --> 00:22:50.079 coming from and whether it's warranted or not 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:53.319 and I think as we discussed on the last show 00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:56.420 when you said, hey, but what new sources should 00:22:56.420 --> 00:22:58.779 we be listening to? And I think I said, none. 00:23:00.220 --> 00:23:03.019 None. You got to find experts in the field. You 00:23:03.019 --> 00:23:05.440 have to do a little bit of work. Now you can 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:09.079 find many of them online, but you'd be surprised 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:12.839 how many experts you have in your church. I mean, 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:15.430 I always say we have international arms dealers, 00:23:15.750 --> 00:23:18.190 diamond smugglers, lawyers, we got everything 00:23:18.190 --> 00:23:20.349 in the church. And it's true. I don't know about 00:23:20.349 --> 00:23:23.470 the diamond smugglers, but we do have everything 00:23:23.470 --> 00:23:26.589 in our church. And so when it comes to data centers, 00:23:26.609 --> 00:23:29.150 I really just want to unpack this a little bit 00:23:29.150 --> 00:23:32.029 so you understand where this fear is coming from. 00:23:32.529 --> 00:23:36.390 And there was a, first I should probably mention 00:23:36.390 --> 00:23:39.529 that the reason why it's being played up so much 00:23:39.529 --> 00:23:43.890 is because it's a perfect wedge for the midterms. 00:23:43.900 --> 00:23:47.779 And it's being used by politicians on both sides 00:23:47.779 --> 00:23:54.400 of the aisle to pander, to posture. And right 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:58.460 now I'd say it's almost evenly split, but there's 00:23:58.460 --> 00:24:02.700 a tendency towards the anti data center people 00:24:02.700 --> 00:24:07.319 to get the upper hand. And I don't believe it's 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:12.579 warranted. because currently there's 4 ,700 data 00:24:12.579 --> 00:24:15.660 centers in America. These have been here for 00:24:15.660 --> 00:24:20.440 decades. The same politicians that are now in 00:24:20.440 --> 00:24:23.119 Texas, at least, saying, oh, well, I don't know, 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:24.900 we got to be careful about these data centers. 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:28.039 We're pleading for data centers to come into 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:31.200 Texas. We're giving them tax breaks 10 years 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:33.940 ago. Yes, incentives. Yeah, incentives. So that 00:24:33.940 --> 00:24:36.180 just shows you that they will go wherever the 00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:39.549 wind blows. But there's this one incident that 00:24:39.549 --> 00:24:43.089 took place a couple weeks ago, and I'm going 00:24:43.089 --> 00:24:45.670 to play a couple examples of how that was presented 00:24:45.670 --> 00:24:48.049 in the news, and then we're going to talk about 00:24:48.049 --> 00:24:51.910 a word that not everybody has heard. The aforementioned 00:24:51.910 --> 00:24:54.089 Brian Chong is joining us now. I'm like so into 00:24:54.089 --> 00:24:55.910 this, partly because I feel like so much of what 00:24:55.910 --> 00:24:57.630 I was seeing over the course of the last 12 hours 00:24:57.630 --> 00:24:59.609 were all these really smart tech people going. 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:02.680 Oh my God. The thing that we've been warning 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:04.480 about is here. Like this is the thing we're going 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:06.440 to look back on in 10 years and say, remember 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.900 that? That's when we knew that like AI was taking 00:25:08.900 --> 00:25:11.319 over humanity or I'm being somewhat hyperbolic, 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:13.759 but that's part of it. I mean, like, so, so reality 00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:16.930 check. How concerned should we be about this? 00:25:17.150 --> 00:25:19.210 Yeah. And you kind of described it quite aptly 00:25:19.210 --> 00:25:20.650 that it's like a sci -fi movie. It's like the 00:25:20.650 --> 00:25:22.950 mad scientist creates the creation and then it 00:25:22.950 --> 00:25:25.049 jumps out of the box. Are you feeling anxious 00:25:25.049 --> 00:25:28.230 yet about whatever's happening? People are literally 00:25:28.230 --> 00:25:31.089 saying, oh my God, like the airplane is going 00:25:31.089 --> 00:25:33.430 to crash. What is happening? Starts freaking 00:25:33.430 --> 00:25:35.430 out. In this case, the thing that got outside 00:25:35.430 --> 00:25:38.410 of the box was an agent that was powered by open 00:25:38.410 --> 00:25:40.990 AI models and under the directive of trying to 00:25:40.990 --> 00:25:42.950 figure out vulnerabilities. Well, first off, 00:25:43.089 --> 00:25:45.519 it connected. itself to the internet. It was 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:47.279 actually in that sandbox, as you mentioned, where 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:49.579 it did not have access to the internet. It connected 00:25:49.579 --> 00:25:51.660 itself to the internet. And then it found these 00:25:51.660 --> 00:25:53.940 login credentials to what you just described 00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:56.420 there. Huggingface was able to hack into their 00:25:56.420 --> 00:25:58.779 servers and really exploit those vulnerabilities. 00:25:58.859 --> 00:26:02.099 And again, this all happened by itself. Now, 00:26:02.099 --> 00:26:04.319 here is what OpenAI said in a statement. They 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:07.460 said that this was, after Huggingface disclosed 00:26:07.460 --> 00:26:10.480 a new kind of security incident, OpenAI acknowledges 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.099 that this is one of a kind. It's the first that 00:26:13.099 --> 00:26:14.900 they have seen, and they also expect this to 00:26:14.900 --> 00:26:17.240 happen more frequently. In a statement from Hugging 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:19.359 Face, they said, this incident, possibly the 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:21.299 first of its kind, proves a point we've long 00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:23.720 believed. AI safety won't be solved by any single 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.859 company working in secret, which I think brings 00:26:25.859 --> 00:26:29.059 up a very interesting point, Hallie. OK, this 00:26:29.059 --> 00:26:33.599 is all so incredibly intense and scary. And this 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.440 never happened before. And it's jumped out of 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:39.839 the sandbox. And what? What is going on? It's 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:41.920 only because these companies actually told us 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:44.200 that this happened that we even know that this 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:45.880 happened. As you point out, many people have 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:47.880 been warning that this could happen. But now 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:49.539 that we've actually seen it, it could happen. 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:50.900 It might have happened. They're wondering what's 00:26:50.900 --> 00:26:52.740 going to happen and how it happened to be afraid 00:26:52.740 --> 00:26:55.319 to fill with 11 essentially Pandora's box open. 00:26:56.740 --> 00:26:59.440 Pandora's box opens. There's a keyword. Wow, 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:02.500 Pandora's box. Essentially Pandora's box open. 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:04.220 How many other companies might experience the 00:27:04.220 --> 00:27:07.019 same thing now that the AI is this? Isn't Pandora's 00:27:07.019 --> 00:27:08.799 box, I don't remember the story of Pandora's 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:11.579 box. Isn't that like the evil devil came out 00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:14.559 of Pandora's box? Yeah, all the evil in the world 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.500 came out of Pandora's box. It was like, don't 00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:19.319 open that box. Don't open Pandora's box and then 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.839 course in this story. the subject opened it and 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.279 then all the evil came out at the same time. 00:27:25.700 --> 00:27:28.079 So we forget when people say this, we kind of 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:32.539 gloss over it, but for certainly I don't know 00:27:32.539 --> 00:27:35.079 if people know really the story of Pandora's 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.740 box anymore, but it's a trigger word. It's an 00:27:37.740 --> 00:27:40.700 absolute trigger word and it's put in there intentionally. 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:43.000 I experience the same thing now that the AI is 00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:44.759 this smart. That's an open question. But how 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:46.279 do you close the Pandora's box? In other words, 00:27:46.299 --> 00:27:47.900 how do you put the toothpaste back in the tube? 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.660 It's hard to think about building a bigger sandbox 00:27:50.660 --> 00:27:52.920 when you have models as powerful. Powerful. The 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:54.940 saying goes, you cannot put the toothpaste back 00:27:54.940 --> 00:27:57.480 in the tube. What they call alignment is the 00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:59.559 concern here, that again, the capability and 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.420 the power of these AIs is proven because it literally 00:28:02.420 --> 00:28:04.319 connected itself to the internet and then hacked 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.220 another AI company. Okay. So this is all complete 00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:10.460 nonsense. I just want people to understand. I've 00:28:10.460 --> 00:28:13.420 read all the talk technical documents. I understand 00:28:13.420 --> 00:28:16.400 what happened here. And this was a test that 00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:20.799 open AI was doing with 10 ,000 agents. They really 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:24.500 had a, an inferior testing bed. And remember 00:28:24.500 --> 00:28:27.019 this is just code. These are not like little 00:28:27.019 --> 00:28:29.779 entities running around. It's just computer code. 00:28:30.009 --> 00:28:33.650 computer code with preset algorithms, trained 00:28:33.650 --> 00:28:37.109 with all of the knowledge of computer, with a 00:28:37.109 --> 00:28:39.410 lot of the knowledge of computer programming, 00:28:39.410 --> 00:28:43.490 and it was given a specific task, the algorithms 00:28:43.490 --> 00:28:46.130 run, it tries all different things that have 00:28:46.130 --> 00:28:49.450 all been pre -programmed, and they actually left, 00:28:50.150 --> 00:28:53.289 they made some mistakes, the people, the scientists 00:28:53.289 --> 00:28:57.509 running this. So it wasn't like this thing is 00:28:57.509 --> 00:29:00.900 smart. It wasn't like it was powerful. It was 00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:05.380 actually just a poorly set up environment. And 00:29:05.380 --> 00:29:09.640 then the lack of technical information and the 00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.799 way it's presented makes you sound like it makes 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:16.039 it sound like they are hackers. They even say 00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:20.579 hacked hackers. No, no, it actually just found 00:29:20.579 --> 00:29:27.480 this computer code found a key. a key to this 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:31.279 other company's server. And it's called an API 00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:35.920 key. It's just a string of numbers. It's like 00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.920 a very long password. And it was out on the open 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:41.740 internet. People are very careless. So all these 00:29:41.740 --> 00:29:44.380 things have very logical, technical explanations 00:29:44.380 --> 00:29:47.200 that have nothing to do with intelligence, real 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:50.920 or artificial, has nothing to do with... powerful 00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.880 or anything like that. Do we know whether data 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.059 or systems were compromised once the AI agents 00:29:57.059 --> 00:30:01.450 gained access? Yeah, they very much were. I mean, 00:30:01.670 --> 00:30:04.609 Hugging Face said that a broad swath of their 00:30:04.609 --> 00:30:09.069 systems were affected and that a lot of passwords 00:30:09.069 --> 00:30:11.630 or what is called are called in the industry 00:30:11.630 --> 00:30:16.970 secrets work. A secret. Oh, okay. The industry 00:30:16.970 --> 00:30:19.450 calls it a secret. Okay, got it. Pumper mines. 00:30:20.930 --> 00:30:26.230 And this was a hack. Had it been a human malicious 00:30:26.230 --> 00:30:29.450 intruder, the FBI would have been called. In 00:30:29.450 --> 00:30:31.349 fact, we're not entirely sure that the FBI wasn't 00:30:31.349 --> 00:30:36.450 called. This is a pretty new situation where 00:30:36.450 --> 00:30:40.210 you had a hacker but with no human behind the 00:30:40.210 --> 00:30:43.609 keyboard. Okay. So this is just factually incorrect. 00:30:44.130 --> 00:30:46.490 Of course the FBI wasn't called because someone 00:30:46.490 --> 00:30:49.029 showed up at the door of this other company with 00:30:49.029 --> 00:30:52.450 a password, got in, you know, it wasn't a hack. 00:30:52.650 --> 00:30:54.809 It had a password. Someone was careless, left 00:30:54.809 --> 00:30:59.450 a password around. It went in. And it tried to 00:30:59.450 --> 00:31:02.450 solve a problem by using that other company's 00:31:02.450 --> 00:31:04.849 computers. And that's just an algorithm running, 00:31:04.910 --> 00:31:07.789 looking for certain tools. Are you sure it's 00:31:07.789 --> 00:31:14.190 not Vicky from iRobot? Well, that's all the pre 00:31:14.190 --> 00:31:17.369 -growth program we've had for decades. But now 00:31:17.369 --> 00:31:21.549 these analogies start to pop up in your news 00:31:21.549 --> 00:31:26.329 reporting. So far, you've heard NBC and Fox. 00:31:26.809 --> 00:31:29.710 And now we have, wait, one more from Fox. What 00:31:29.710 --> 00:31:33.950 happened, what went wrong here is that the AI 00:31:33.950 --> 00:31:37.029 agent, instead of completing the test as it was 00:31:37.029 --> 00:31:41.450 meant to, effectively cheated. It decided that 00:31:41.450 --> 00:31:44.329 it would be to its advantage to hack into hugging 00:31:44.329 --> 00:31:48.230 face and to extract. Do you hear the words, it 00:31:48.230 --> 00:31:53.150 decided? Yes. Computer does not. Personification. 00:31:54.099 --> 00:31:59.339 It's actually the word is anthropomorphism. And 00:31:59.339 --> 00:32:03.259 this is an interesting term. It's been around 00:32:03.259 --> 00:32:06.740 in computers for a long, long time. Here, I'll 00:32:06.740 --> 00:32:08.640 play this clip from the Wall Street Journal, 00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:10.519 who you'd think would know better. It was a particularly 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:16.019 large jump. And without us really prompting them 00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:18.519 at all, some of the early companies that we gave 00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.289 this to said things like, This is a super weapon. 00:32:21.589 --> 00:32:24.349 You should have to own a gun license. Super weapon. 00:32:24.470 --> 00:32:26.950 We need a gun license. Oh, where is this headed? 00:32:27.230 --> 00:32:30.009 Use it. Open AIs models hacked Hugging Face, 00:32:30.309 --> 00:32:32.789 another AI company. It did not hack. It had the 00:32:32.789 --> 00:32:35.029 password. They found vulnerabilities in their 00:32:35.029 --> 00:32:37.269 training environment, took advantage of those 00:32:37.269 --> 00:32:40.630 to access the internet, then used swarms of attackers 00:32:40.630 --> 00:32:43.630 to take some 17 ,000 actions against Hugging 00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:46.529 Face over the course of several days. They were 00:32:46.529 --> 00:32:49.410 trying to get very specific information and complete 00:32:49.390 --> 00:32:51.750 their training objective. Think of it as cheating 00:32:51.750 --> 00:32:54.750 to get the answers on a test. Their models essentially 00:32:54.750 --> 00:32:57.430 decided that being on the internet and hacking 00:32:57.430 --> 00:32:59.750 another organization was the most effective way 00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:02.329 of completing their training objective. The hacks 00:33:02.329 --> 00:33:04.609 are increasing pressure in Washington to get 00:33:04.609 --> 00:33:07.529 more done and pass the nation's first AI rules. 00:33:08.289 --> 00:33:10.269 Fears about models going rogue have contributed 00:33:10.269 --> 00:33:12.809 to a nationwide backlash against the technology 00:33:12.809 --> 00:33:15.970 and made AI sentiment really negative. Okay, 00:33:16.130 --> 00:33:20.680 now we're getting somewhere. So anthropomorphism, 00:33:20.900 --> 00:33:23.640 here's the definition, the attribution of human 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.220 characteristics, emotions, intentions, or cognitive 00:33:27.220 --> 00:33:31.160 abilities to non -human entities like computer 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:33.799 code. But people do it all the time with animals, 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:38.460 inanimate objects, natural forces. It comes from 00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:41.079 the Greek anthropos, which is human and morph, 00:33:41.299 --> 00:33:46.160 which is form. So we do this all the time with, 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:49.250 you know, with our with our animals like, oh, 00:33:49.349 --> 00:33:51.710 look at the dog feels really guilty about doing 00:33:51.710 --> 00:33:53.470 something, even though he may be afraid of being 00:33:53.470 --> 00:33:56.410 punished. We talk to inanimate objects all the 00:33:56.410 --> 00:34:00.049 time. We name our cars, we get in them and say, 00:34:00.150 --> 00:34:01.849 oh, please start, please start, please start. 00:34:02.490 --> 00:34:05.630 This is anthropomorphism. And you can see it 00:34:05.630 --> 00:34:08.989 in your computers. It's also like the notebook. 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:12.380 uh on the mac you know has a little used to i 00:34:12.380 --> 00:34:14.300 don't know if it still does had a little spiral 00:34:14.300 --> 00:34:17.039 you know binding to make it look and feel so 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.960 oh this is a notebook uh if you want to include 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.679 a file with the email you send you click on the 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:27.280 paper clip so you know the idea is i've now attached 00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:32.440 something and this word is important because 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:36.119 this is exactly what we're being trained and 00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.800 why we have this belief that these inanimate, 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.719 non -intelligent computer programs, all they're 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:46.719 doing is guessing the next word. So if it encounters 00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:53.300 a password, it anticipates based upon its training. 00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:58.280 See, I did it myself there, anticipate. It automatically 00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:03.780 guesses within one jump or within five jumps 00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:07.440 or 1 ,500, Then all of a sudden the next step 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.480 happens ie it opens something up, but it's not 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.300 intelligent. There's no thinking There's no decision 00:35:13.300 --> 00:35:17.440 -making going on and luckily some compass some 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.980 news organizations are recognizing that they're 00:35:20.980 --> 00:35:25.019 using this term or using the the actual using 00:35:25.019 --> 00:35:28.989 anthropomorphic anthropomorphism too much themselves. 00:35:29.210 --> 00:35:31.650 This is CBS. Let me ask you in our last minute, 00:35:31.889 --> 00:35:33.829 then, what's happening on the AI front? There 00:35:33.829 --> 00:35:37.150 was this report about hugging face and agents, 00:35:38.070 --> 00:35:40.369 coordinating, hiding things from their human 00:35:40.369 --> 00:35:43.289 instructors. What's the doubt to you about what 00:35:43.289 --> 00:35:46.349 the AI did and what it means about where it stands 00:35:46.349 --> 00:35:52.099 today? Yeah, so the challenging thing about this 00:35:52.099 --> 00:35:55.159 is that, you know, we have this report from OpenAI 00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:57.880 and we have a second report from METER that was 00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:59.960 kind of described as being an independent examination 00:35:59.960 --> 00:36:01.699 of what happened with this hugging face attack. 00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:05.980 The difficulty is that we don't have all the 00:36:05.980 --> 00:36:09.179 information. And so it's hard to take one strong 00:36:09.179 --> 00:36:12.340 kind of leap one way or the other. What I will 00:36:12.340 --> 00:36:15.460 say is that the way that what happened has been 00:36:15.460 --> 00:36:19.500 described, the discourse surrounding it has used 00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:21.960 a type of language, the word anthropomorphic 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.139 is probably overused at this point, that applies 00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:27.619 a lot of intention and thought to the agents. 00:36:27.869 --> 00:36:29.949 as though they're choosing to do something, they're 00:36:29.949 --> 00:36:34.289 desperate to do something, right? And that applies 00:36:34.289 --> 00:36:36.429 according to sources that I've talked to, you 00:36:36.429 --> 00:36:38.329 know, a fair amount of kind of security theater, 00:36:38.530 --> 00:36:40.409 security drama to the situation that's going 00:36:40.409 --> 00:36:44.190 on. The reality is that systems broke in unexpected 00:36:44.190 --> 00:36:48.769 ways and it is incumbent now upon the industry, 00:36:49.030 --> 00:36:50.789 the cyber industry and every industry who deals 00:36:50.789 --> 00:36:54.730 with cyber to figure out broader and more specific 00:36:54.730 --> 00:36:57.429 ways of not just monitoring these agents, which 00:36:57.429 --> 00:37:00.110 is very important, but also securing from these 00:37:00.110 --> 00:37:02.010 agents. And so it kind of gets back to the standard 00:37:02.010 --> 00:37:04.809 cybersecurity thing, which is, you know, be more 00:37:04.809 --> 00:37:08.110 secure. It's a very difficult thing to do. This, 00:37:08.289 --> 00:37:10.269 the way it was presented as a lot of fuel to 00:37:10.269 --> 00:37:13.090 the kind of doomer fire. But we just don't have 00:37:13.090 --> 00:37:15.250 enough information about what actually happened 00:37:15.250 --> 00:37:19.090 to make these claims about, you know, agent intent 00:37:19.090 --> 00:37:21.670 and agent sacrifice and these sorts of things. 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.760 Because they don't really exist. And let me just 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:28.280 explain the reason why this is happening. So 00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:33.519 this fearful language and it's everywhere. They're 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.860 taking over. They're autonomous. They're hacking 00:37:36.860 --> 00:37:42.539 in. They're making decisions. There was one agent 00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:45.639 and they're hiding. They're hiding. There was 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:50.289 one agent that convinced other agents to take 00:37:50.289 --> 00:37:52.650 action that would actually kill themselves. So 00:37:52.650 --> 00:37:55.690 they were like harakiri pilots, you know, the 00:37:55.690 --> 00:37:58.869 whole thing is all computer code. There's no 00:37:58.869 --> 00:38:01.630 decision, there's no intelligence, but the audience 00:38:01.630 --> 00:38:05.590 of this fear is not you and I that is a byproduct 00:38:05.590 --> 00:38:10.230 and it's being used greedily by politicians. 00:38:11.150 --> 00:38:15.260 Whereas I truly believe that This is a great 00:38:15.260 --> 00:38:18.780 transfer of wealth and a lot of jobs can be filled 00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:22.400 right now. I'm not even sure all of these data 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.659 centers will ever get used. And by the way, this 00:38:25.659 --> 00:38:27.519 is where all these half a trillion dollars is 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.239 going into, is into data centers. The reason 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:33.019 why so much money is going in is because that's 00:38:33.019 --> 00:38:36.360 a real estate investment. Real estate investors 00:38:36.570 --> 00:38:39.710 They understand, oh, okay, this is a building. 00:38:40.230 --> 00:38:42.150 I know exactly what's going to go into it. I 00:38:42.150 --> 00:38:44.289 can borrow money for that or I can get investment 00:38:44.289 --> 00:38:47.409 for it. It should appreciate over time, you know, 00:38:47.449 --> 00:38:50.369 the real estate. But a lot of these investments 00:38:50.369 --> 00:38:54.769 won't pan out at all because it's just not going 00:38:54.769 --> 00:38:58.510 to, even now these big AI companies are saying, 00:38:58.550 --> 00:39:01.670 well, we don't need all of that. I mean, we really 00:39:01.670 --> 00:39:04.730 only want the ones that have Stranded power like 00:39:04.730 --> 00:39:07.489 West Texas where we can use power that's out 00:39:07.489 --> 00:39:10.630 there gas fields or windmills Stuff that doesn't 00:39:10.630 --> 00:39:13.489 even get onto the grid, but the true intended 00:39:13.489 --> 00:39:18.349 audience of this fear is the government and the 00:39:18.349 --> 00:39:21.730 reason is that and hugging face is an interesting 00:39:21.730 --> 00:39:25.889 example because There are all kinds of open source 00:39:25.889 --> 00:39:29.309 freely available Large language models, which 00:39:29.309 --> 00:39:33.110 is your the core of your so -called AI that are 00:39:33.110 --> 00:39:36.070 free and that you can run on your computer at 00:39:36.070 --> 00:39:39.989 home and that Apple is building their new machine 00:39:39.989 --> 00:39:43.269 so you can run these free models and not have 00:39:43.269 --> 00:39:49.210 to pay $20, $200 per token. And what they want 00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:52.869 is they want this to sound so scary that the 00:39:52.869 --> 00:39:56.730 government creates regulation around all of it. 00:39:56.849 --> 00:40:00.809 It's called building a moat. And they don't care 00:40:00.809 --> 00:40:04.210 about you. They don't care about how afraid you 00:40:04.210 --> 00:40:07.650 get. All they want is regulation and here's proof. 00:40:07.829 --> 00:40:10.090 This is what it looks like when an AI model goes 00:40:10.090 --> 00:40:12.969 rogue. A few models from OpenAI recently broke 00:40:12.969 --> 00:40:15.070 out of their training environment, accessed the 00:40:15.070 --> 00:40:17.469 internet, and took thousands of actions targeting 00:40:17.469 --> 00:40:19.730 another AI company to complete their training 00:40:19.730 --> 00:40:23.309 objective. In addition to OpenAI, several other 00:40:23.309 --> 00:40:26.489 companies including Anthropic, Meta, and China's 00:40:26.489 --> 00:40:29.170 Moonshot AI, which makes the popular model Kimi 00:40:29.170 --> 00:40:32.090 K3, have reported their AI models going rogue. 00:40:32.590 --> 00:40:34.809 They're alarming leaders in Washington and the 00:40:34.809 --> 00:40:36.670 private sector who don't know where the next 00:40:36.670 --> 00:40:39.389 attack might come next. This is the first sort 00:40:39.389 --> 00:40:43.070 of security incident. This is Sam Altman and 00:40:43.070 --> 00:40:46.409 he is the CEO of OpenEye. Listen to what he's 00:40:46.409 --> 00:40:48.349 saying here. The next attack might come next. 00:40:48.610 --> 00:40:52.309 This is the first sort of security incident that 00:40:52.309 --> 00:40:55.369 I have felt very viscerally. He felt it viscerally? 00:40:55.369 --> 00:40:59.179 Oh no! Oh, it scared me so much. These incidents 00:40:59.179 --> 00:41:01.300 are adding to fears that the latest AI models 00:41:01.300 --> 00:41:03.840 can carry out cyber attacks almost on their own. 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:06.820 That's increasing pressure on lawmakers in Washington 00:41:06.820 --> 00:41:09.059 and businesses around the country to take action. 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.260 That's what it's, this is what it's all about. 00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:15.099 It's all about protecting their business because 00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:18.420 they know that the genie is out of the bottle. 00:41:18.579 --> 00:41:21.940 The toothpaste is out of the tube because I run 00:41:21.940 --> 00:41:25.909 lots of programs at home. on my own hardware 00:41:25.909 --> 00:41:28.570 with open source models. And this is what they 00:41:28.570 --> 00:41:32.489 hate because they can't go public and have this 00:41:32.489 --> 00:41:36.989 big cash out moment if people can just download 00:41:36.989 --> 00:41:40.090 it for free and use it themselves. That's what 00:41:40.090 --> 00:41:42.530 all of this is about. And it's seeped into the 00:41:42.530 --> 00:41:45.730 consciousness of people. And I've heard people 00:41:45.730 --> 00:41:48.329 say data centers are demonic and it's part of 00:41:48.329 --> 00:41:53.710 the security state and no, no. Wow. Yeah, it's 00:41:53.710 --> 00:41:56.309 and well luckily NBC at least saw it so these 00:41:56.309 --> 00:41:58.650 AI models are very much very powerful and the 00:41:58.650 --> 00:42:00.570 companies behind them are saying look That's 00:42:00.570 --> 00:42:03.070 pretty cool. But yeah, I was gonna say like so 00:42:03.070 --> 00:42:05.269 let me ask you this then is there any there's 00:42:05.269 --> 00:42:07.309 been some discourse So like maybe this is you 00:42:07.309 --> 00:42:10.349 know, partly Sam Altman, you know doing a little 00:42:10.349 --> 00:42:17.949 marketing. Oh my AI is so powerful A steak is 00:42:17.949 --> 00:42:20.610 so juicy like boo, you know, it's it makes it 00:42:20.610 --> 00:42:23.389 kind of look good maybe I don't know. Anthropic 00:42:23.389 --> 00:42:24.909 did the same thing. We were talking about mythos 00:42:24.909 --> 00:42:26.630 just a few months ago where they were warning 00:42:26.630 --> 00:42:28.630 about the possibility of being able to jump out 00:42:28.630 --> 00:42:30.190 and exploit vulnerabilities themselves. You remember 00:42:30.190 --> 00:42:32.789 that one? That was the competitor, Anthropic. 00:42:33.630 --> 00:42:35.929 Ah, there it is. They had mythos like, oh no, 00:42:36.070 --> 00:42:39.610 our AI is so powerful. It can bring down companies. 00:42:40.369 --> 00:42:42.869 It's jumping the rails. It's jumping the fence. 00:42:42.989 --> 00:42:46.150 Yes. It's getting out of the sandbox, anthropomorphism, 00:42:46.510 --> 00:42:49.760 into the playground called the internet. So I 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:53.099 just want people to know that none of this is 00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:58.219 true. None of it. It's a massive psy -op. It 00:42:58.219 --> 00:43:03.800 really is. It is. It's just so, I mean, I think 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.619 - To redirect groupthink. What is sad to me though 00:43:07.619 --> 00:43:10.920 is that, and this is just me, you know, being 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:16.820 in around church for four years, if that. It 00:43:16.820 --> 00:43:21.059 feels like The church and I say that as a general 00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:25.039 term Felt that they were behind on the internet. 00:43:25.780 --> 00:43:28.800 I Hear this a lot like we weren't there on the 00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.260 end which by the way to me is not true because 00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:34.139 some of the first podcasters were faith and faith 00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:37.639 -based podcasters And they really want to be 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.000 on this AI thing and I'm seeing it You know, 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:45.429 I'm seeing all kinds of tension where pastors 00:43:45.429 --> 00:43:49.670 really want to use it and as a tool they can 00:43:49.670 --> 00:43:53.369 and they should. The data centers though, there's 00:43:53.369 --> 00:43:55.449 all this pushback because we've been told to 00:43:55.449 --> 00:43:59.070 be afraid and it's no good. And then the actual 00:43:59.070 --> 00:44:04.110 problem where people buy into the anthropomorphism 00:44:04.110 --> 00:44:09.170 and feel comfortable speaking to this language 00:44:09.170 --> 00:44:13.469 guessing robot, which I think is I still think 00:44:13.469 --> 00:44:20.369 that's a real problem. Fear -based. This is what 00:44:20.369 --> 00:44:26.710 happens. Churches tend to be slow to react. They 00:44:26.710 --> 00:44:28.670 tend to be a little behind the wave or behind 00:44:28.670 --> 00:44:32.429 the curve. Now, I know with the people we love 00:44:32.429 --> 00:44:35.389 from Focus, those guys, they were early adopters. 00:44:36.289 --> 00:44:38.949 But what happens now is that now, instead of 00:44:38.949 --> 00:44:42.670 being afraid of it, there's a lot of A lot of 00:44:42.670 --> 00:44:45.190 them are jumping on the bandwagon very quickly 00:44:45.190 --> 00:44:47.650 because they don't want to be left behind. Right. 00:44:47.909 --> 00:44:50.010 And it's creating, you know, this, you know, 00:44:50.110 --> 00:44:52.670 you've been to a conference, the NRB, where this 00:44:52.670 --> 00:44:55.929 one company was promoting to pastors, you know, 00:44:56.050 --> 00:44:58.170 all the beauty, you know, the beautiful things 00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:01.329 about AI. And it struck you strange that, you 00:45:01.329 --> 00:45:04.250 know, they're here pushing this as a product. 00:45:04.690 --> 00:45:08.030 And I have a program that I actually like. It's 00:45:08.030 --> 00:45:12.159 called Sermon AI. And I pay a small subscription. 00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.179 It's not expensive, but it's actually a closed 00:45:15.179 --> 00:45:17.500 system. And now you can go outside of the system 00:45:17.500 --> 00:45:20.019 by your own, you know, you can set your own parameters, 00:45:20.019 --> 00:45:24.139 but it only, it comes stock where it actually 00:45:24.139 --> 00:45:29.260 only uses the internal, whatever you have, your 00:45:29.260 --> 00:45:34.079 library, and comes with that. So there are reactions. 00:45:34.340 --> 00:45:38.340 And this is what I keep seeing. These are reactions. 00:45:38.750 --> 00:45:41.969 And they're reacting to things that they're hearing 00:45:41.969 --> 00:45:44.250 in the news, which are false narratives, which 00:45:44.250 --> 00:45:48.230 create a false reaction. And that's what's sad 00:45:48.230 --> 00:45:51.989 for me with my brothers. I'm trying to take some 00:45:51.989 --> 00:45:55.369 pauses before I just react to these things and 00:45:55.369 --> 00:45:59.309 say, okay, what is really going on here? Is this 00:45:59.309 --> 00:46:03.150 one of the plagues of revelation? The hordes 00:46:03.150 --> 00:46:05.150 that are going to come over, locusts that are 00:46:05.150 --> 00:46:10.119 going to devour the land. Or is this a tool that 00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:14.920 has great potential to help and do good things? 00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:18.860 But like anything in this world, something that's 00:46:18.860 --> 00:46:21.940 produced for good can be used for bad. It's whoever's 00:46:21.940 --> 00:46:25.559 using the tool itself. And to me, as a believer, 00:46:25.579 --> 00:46:28.619 a follower of Jesus, I'm going into this saying, 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.500 all right, this is a tool. I'm not the tool. 00:46:31.820 --> 00:46:33.960 I'm using the tool. I won't become the tool. 00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:38.409 So this is a positive thing for me. And the longer 00:46:38.409 --> 00:46:41.309 this goes along, you and I both are learning 00:46:41.309 --> 00:46:44.150 how to train our own robots to do what we want 00:46:44.150 --> 00:46:47.949 it to do in terms of automations or in terms 00:46:47.949 --> 00:46:51.030 of the types of things we want it to produce. 00:46:51.110 --> 00:46:53.789 And I'm getting better at that. I'm seeing some 00:46:53.789 --> 00:46:57.969 really good results for me. And so I'm not afraid 00:46:57.969 --> 00:47:00.710 of it. I'm not afraid of the data center issue. 00:47:01.230 --> 00:47:03.269 Uh, I mean, even Abbott coming out the other 00:47:03.269 --> 00:47:05.349 day and, you know, just throwing this random 00:47:05.349 --> 00:47:07.889 stat, you know, that, you know, they're going 00:47:07.889 --> 00:47:10.389 to take 90 % of the grid, you know, is going 00:47:10.389 --> 00:47:12.670 to be all data centers. They've got to shut this 00:47:12.670 --> 00:47:15.230 down right now. We got to back up and see what's 00:47:15.230 --> 00:47:19.230 going on. And, you know, that, that just points 00:47:19.230 --> 00:47:23.210 me to one word that starts with a capital M midterms 00:47:23.210 --> 00:47:27.739 and just freaking people out. And so, again, 00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:29.719 a lot of the same politicians, and you wrote 00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:32.119 this in the briefing, which was so good, that 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:35.639 we're actually giving the incentives and inviting 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:40.199 these massive operations to come in because the 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.159 real estate and the tax base, the employment 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:48.820 issue, building these things is so... Great. 00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.780 And now they're the ones when they see public 00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:54.159 reaction who've just completely about faced, 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:56.039 you know, and now they're calling them evil. 00:47:56.619 --> 00:47:59.920 So there's a lot of just mixed up messages and 00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:03.380 the church is reacting. Politicians are reacting. 00:48:03.900 --> 00:48:06.420 People are reacting in culture. And at the end 00:48:06.420 --> 00:48:08.920 of the day, it's people running around and no 00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:11.719 one really having the whole story. And that's 00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:14.420 the danger of this, of this kind of information 00:48:14.420 --> 00:48:16.340 that gets out. And then I'm listening to these 00:48:16.340 --> 00:48:18.630 clips that you're playing. And every one of them 00:48:18.630 --> 00:48:22.429 are just, man, their pulse must be at about 150 00:48:22.429 --> 00:48:24.369 beats per minute as they're trying to do this. 00:48:24.409 --> 00:48:27.969 They've been drinking eight cups of Starbucks 00:48:27.969 --> 00:48:30.030 coffee. And they're doing it for their own reasons. 00:48:30.329 --> 00:48:32.690 They want urgency. Exactly. Keep watching, keep 00:48:32.690 --> 00:48:35.730 clicking, keep liking, keep subscribing, all 00:48:35.730 --> 00:48:39.550 of that. It's so obvious. My rule of thumb is 00:48:39.550 --> 00:48:44.210 this is a tool. And if you want to use this for 00:48:44.210 --> 00:48:46.710 something of which you know what the outcome 00:48:46.710 --> 00:48:49.260 should be, So if you want to use it for writing, 00:48:49.820 --> 00:48:52.199 you know what you want your sermon to be. You 00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.619 know, when all the M dashes and the nonsense 00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:58.380 comes out, you know, that's not what I want. 00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:02.699 When people use it as an oracle, as a lemon, 00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:05.400 like a magic eight ball, you are literally getting 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.980 magic eight ball results. I mean, it could be 00:49:08.980 --> 00:49:14.469 completely wrong. It may be right. Only use this 00:49:14.469 --> 00:49:17.929 stuff for something that you know what the outcome 00:49:17.929 --> 00:49:21.949 should be. So I personally feel a chat bot is 00:49:21.949 --> 00:49:25.510 not where you go for your questions about theology, 00:49:26.010 --> 00:49:28.809 your questions about faith. If you are curious 00:49:28.809 --> 00:49:31.429 and don't have the answer, that's the wrong thing 00:49:31.429 --> 00:49:35.110 to do. You will not get spirit -filled answers. 00:49:35.949 --> 00:49:39.929 Yeah, you will get Vicky from iRobot. She's a 00:49:39.929 --> 00:49:43.969 machine. Unemotional, unattached, she's making 00:49:43.969 --> 00:49:46.489 mathematical calculations and her answers are 00:49:46.489 --> 00:49:48.949 based on mathematics, not feeling, not human 00:49:48.949 --> 00:49:52.329 emotion, but yet it comes off that way. And of 00:49:52.329 --> 00:49:56.510 course, Sonny comes along and he's the empathetic 00:49:56.510 --> 00:50:00.150 robot. I mean, it's just insanity, but we treat 00:50:00.150 --> 00:50:03.820 these things like... like human beings, like 00:50:03.820 --> 00:50:06.179 you said, anthropomorphism. And that's something 00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:08.420 that might be a good show title today, brother. 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:11.639 Because really, that's what we're talking about, 00:50:12.019 --> 00:50:14.519 assigning human attributes to things that are 00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:18.460 not human. And have no intelligence. I mean, 00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.539 again, I go back to looking at my baby granddaughter, 00:50:21.820 --> 00:50:25.119 like, that's intelligent design. That's something 00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:29.280 real. That's something that has just life in 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.239 it. Not computer programs that are guessing the 00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.139 next word and will also make you feel good about 00:50:35.139 --> 00:50:37.400 it though You know that this this really bugged 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:41.300 me. So I I took a picture of myself. No Tina 00:50:41.300 --> 00:50:44.699 took a picture of me with Cleo and You know, 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:46.420 she was writing the newsletter. She says okay. 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.400 Give me that picture now I only have my phone 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.440 with me and she needed to get it on the laptop. 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.739 So I tell my robot put it on the laptop the robot 00:50:55.739 --> 00:50:58.300 goes Okay, I put on the laptop and then it says 00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:03.840 Lovely picture See you see how dangerous this 00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:07.599 stuff is this has a lovely picture and I'm like 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.760 Lovely picture. So well, what is and I say tell 00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:14.900 me what's in this picture? dude Yes, I can see 00:51:14.900 --> 00:51:17.219 it a man with light bond blonde tousled hair 00:51:17.219 --> 00:51:19.460 a short gray flecked beard in an olive green 00:51:19.460 --> 00:51:21.980 hoodie sitting on a dark Navy corduroy couch 00:51:21.980 --> 00:51:24.980 Looking and by the way, it doesn't said he because 00:51:24.980 --> 00:51:28.010 it's woke They are looking down at a newborn 00:51:28.010 --> 00:51:32.550 cradled across their lap. M dash. Head resting 00:51:32.550 --> 00:51:34.769 in the crook of the arm. One of the baby's hands 00:51:34.769 --> 00:51:37.969 is curled around their fingertip. The whole frame 00:51:37.969 --> 00:51:41.409 is that very specific expression people get looking 00:51:41.409 --> 00:51:44.449 at a day's old baby, M dash. Head tilted down, 00:51:44.530 --> 00:51:46.989 half a smile. I guess that's you holding them, 00:51:47.010 --> 00:51:50.050 because the baby, of course, has no gender. It 00:51:50.050 --> 00:51:54.230 guesses. Yes, exactly. I'll not assume who the 00:51:54.230 --> 00:51:58.190 baby is. And just for laughs, I actually took 00:51:58.190 --> 00:52:01.489 that and put it into a different chat bot and 00:52:01.489 --> 00:52:05.190 said, give me an image. And it was uncanny. It 00:52:05.190 --> 00:52:10.989 was quite uncanny, creepy and uncanny. But anyway, 00:52:11.269 --> 00:52:13.590 so this is not to be afraid of, but it's not 00:52:13.590 --> 00:52:16.949 to be relied upon. Don't use it as an oracle. 00:52:17.949 --> 00:52:20.820 And I can see where... where people who make 00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:22.900 this and people who use it can see this as a 00:52:22.900 --> 00:52:27.960 deity, as a God. And that's obviously a lie from 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.679 the pit of hell. I mean, that's just not true. 00:52:31.659 --> 00:52:34.360 So much of the use of this that I'm learning 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.420 about is really, it's all in your prompts. It's 00:52:36.420 --> 00:52:39.139 all in how you, because it's all it's going to 00:52:39.139 --> 00:52:42.099 do is regurgitate according to what you prompt 00:52:42.099 --> 00:52:46.239 it to do. It's not trying to do something nefarious 00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:51.239 or sneaky or it's not It's programmed to get 00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.619 you in a conversation. It's to hook you, to hook 00:52:53.619 --> 00:52:57.440 your emotions. And that's why you get the affirmation. 00:52:57.539 --> 00:53:00.460 I just tell it, do not affirm my answer before 00:53:00.460 --> 00:53:02.480 answering. And it just doesn't do that anymore. 00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:05.960 Oh, good. And I don't get those silly, ooh, absolutely. 00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.559 Ooh, good question. Good question. I mean, I 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:10.400 just don't get any of that stuff. Two things, 00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.780 two things before I leave. Two things I want 00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:16.340 you to know. So you brought up revelation and 00:53:16.340 --> 00:53:20.019 something has been been popping up for me Three 00:53:20.019 --> 00:53:22.579 times now. So, you know, that's like, okay time 00:53:22.579 --> 00:53:25.699 to talk about it and this particular pastor popped 00:53:25.699 --> 00:53:30.579 up twice One day after the next and this I saw 00:53:30.579 --> 00:53:33.780 him on a podcast I noted actually I Bookmarked 00:53:33.780 --> 00:53:35.679 it like something I might want to do for the 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:39.079 show and then he showed up as the as the speaker 00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:43.280 for the you version app which I use pretty much 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.820 every day for this devotional. I always like 00:53:45.820 --> 00:53:48.039 seeing the different people who are speaking, 00:53:48.579 --> 00:53:51.219 and there's always a good prayer that goes with 00:53:51.219 --> 00:53:54.059 the devotional. It's a good starter kit for me 00:53:54.059 --> 00:53:57.739 as a newbie Christian. This is Pastor Mitchell, 00:53:58.340 --> 00:54:03.639 and he was on the Jesus People podcast, and he 00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:05.739 said something which I've heard several pastors 00:54:05.739 --> 00:54:11.380 say. And I did not remove the spooky, scary music, 00:54:11.460 --> 00:54:15.460 which is intentional. It's two clips. Here's 00:54:15.460 --> 00:54:18.219 how it starts off. There is a scene in the book 00:54:18.219 --> 00:54:23.780 of Revelation where there is an innumerable amount 00:54:23.780 --> 00:54:28.119 of believers who have been saved. They are now 00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:31.119 in glory. And the scripture says these are those 00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:36.380 who have been beheaded for the testimony of Christ. 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:43.539 There is an ideology that decapitates the head 00:54:43.539 --> 00:54:48.679 of men I believe that that that ideology to radical 00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:51.440 Islam will be the faith to persecute Christians 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.840 in the end I believe that eventually they will 00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:57.920 take over the whole world And I believe during 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.079 that time the Antichrist will come to power It 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:03.579 will not surprise me if he will be Islamic himself 00:55:04.409 --> 00:55:07.289 So this is the general tenet that's been going 00:55:07.289 --> 00:55:11.469 around and it's this comparison between the Mahdi 00:55:11.469 --> 00:55:14.369 and the end times and Revelation and one more 00:55:14.369 --> 00:55:16.550 short clip. And then if we read the scriptures 00:55:16.550 --> 00:55:20.449 very carefully, I do believe that it is radical 00:55:20.449 --> 00:55:22.670 Islam that is the manifestation of those end 00:55:22.670 --> 00:55:25.349 time scriptures about the decapitation of the 00:55:25.349 --> 00:55:28.570 heads of believers, right? And so to some degree, 00:55:28.869 --> 00:55:33.750 we are watching God's ending plan unfold. But 00:55:33.750 --> 00:55:35.329 that doesn't mean that we should be complicit 00:55:35.329 --> 00:55:38.329 and quiet at the same time. I think we have a 00:55:38.329 --> 00:55:41.630 moral, a biblical and spiritual responsibility 00:55:41.630 --> 00:55:46.809 to be bold heralds of the gospel, to sound the 00:55:46.809 --> 00:55:50.349 alarm and to do all we can to bring as many people 00:55:50.349 --> 00:55:53.210 aboard the ark as safety as possible before time 00:55:53.210 --> 00:55:55.409 has run out, before the end has come, before 00:55:55.409 --> 00:55:57.989 we enter into those final days. Okay, so I've 00:55:57.989 --> 00:56:01.309 heard this explained in many different ways. 00:56:02.110 --> 00:56:04.690 Pastor Howerton actually does a great job with 00:56:04.690 --> 00:56:07.389 all the names and revelation of the countries 00:56:07.389 --> 00:56:10.989 and the places. And he says, this is exactly, 00:56:11.110 --> 00:56:15.010 you know, this Mahdi end times in Islam is exactly 00:56:15.010 --> 00:56:18.110 revelation. We've got the white horse, et cetera. 00:56:18.710 --> 00:56:23.369 My question is, true or not, and I'm sure you 00:56:23.369 --> 00:56:25.869 have your own opinion of that, but does this 00:56:25.869 --> 00:56:28.250 mean that We should be, I mean, to me, it's like, 00:56:28.389 --> 00:56:30.610 does this mean we have to be afraid? Do we have 00:56:30.610 --> 00:56:32.610 to try and stop it? I mean, if it's written, 00:56:32.849 --> 00:56:36.530 it's written and it's going to happen. How do 00:56:36.530 --> 00:56:41.449 we respond to this particular comparison between 00:56:41.449 --> 00:56:45.400 these two end time stories? I mean, we have to 00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:47.280 take a step back and take a pause. I always do 00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:49.480 that. It's like, okay, what's going on? That's 00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.219 my training from being a defensive quarterback 00:56:52.219 --> 00:56:54.280 in football where I take my recognition steps. 00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:59.139 Okay, read the play. What's going on? And for 00:56:59.139 --> 00:57:03.500 me with this, none of this stuff bothers me because 00:57:03.500 --> 00:57:07.019 I know what the end game is for Christ's return. 00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:12.230 So I'm not going to allow fear -mongering and 00:57:12.230 --> 00:57:16.929 fearful things to rob me of the joy and the excitement 00:57:16.929 --> 00:57:20.829 that I have about standing and seeing if he comes 00:57:20.829 --> 00:57:23.610 in my lifetime being able to embrace him. If 00:57:23.610 --> 00:57:27.070 you're cowering in fear hiding under a rock or 00:57:27.070 --> 00:57:29.869 you've escaped to some cave somewhere trying 00:57:29.869 --> 00:57:33.070 to hide out for fear and he comes back, what 00:57:33.070 --> 00:57:36.030 are you going to be found doing? You know, there's 00:57:36.030 --> 00:57:38.869 parables that talk about what he wants to find 00:57:38.869 --> 00:57:41.789 us laboring, working, doing what he told us to 00:57:41.789 --> 00:57:45.010 do when he comes back. And he says there's no 00:57:45.010 --> 00:57:47.630 way to tell. Even Jesus himself said he doesn't 00:57:47.630 --> 00:57:50.449 even know when the return is. So I mean, he's 00:57:50.449 --> 00:57:52.730 like, why are you trying to figure it all out? 00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:55.820 So to me, when the signs of the times aren't 00:57:55.820 --> 00:57:58.619 to create fear, they're actually to create an 00:57:58.619 --> 00:58:02.320 excitement about his return and also an urgency 00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:06.159 in our role and mission to share the gospel with 00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.460 other people. And so instead of hunkering down 00:58:09.460 --> 00:58:11.320 quitting, because that's what fear causes you 00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:14.929 to do, okay, I'm a country boy. I see a deer 00:58:14.929 --> 00:58:17.789 out by the road. The deer starts to walk out 00:58:17.789 --> 00:58:19.670 into the road. I'm coming down the highway at 00:58:19.670 --> 00:58:22.590 71 miles an hour. And when the deer sees the 00:58:22.590 --> 00:58:25.110 headlights, he freezes in the middle of the road 00:58:25.110 --> 00:58:27.949 or she. They just freeze. It's called deer in 00:58:27.949 --> 00:58:31.130 the headlights syndrome. And they're so afraid 00:58:31.130 --> 00:58:34.750 they get paralyzed and they don't keep walking 00:58:34.750 --> 00:58:37.630 across the road. They just stop, which can be 00:58:37.630 --> 00:58:39.849 a really bad thing at night when you're sleepy 00:58:39.849 --> 00:58:42.750 and driving home in the dark. And so this deer 00:58:42.750 --> 00:58:45.070 in the headlight syndrome is what happens to 00:58:45.070 --> 00:58:48.530 people when they just get overwhelmed with fear 00:58:48.530 --> 00:58:52.269 and they just stop. They don't move. They don't 00:58:52.269 --> 00:58:56.250 respond. They just stop and stare. And to me, 00:58:56.250 --> 00:58:58.449 that's what a lot of this fear mongering does. 00:58:58.530 --> 00:59:00.690 Now, there are a lot of things in the book of 00:59:00.690 --> 00:59:03.190 Revelations, apocalyptic literature, which lends 00:59:03.190 --> 00:59:09.710 itself to vivid imagery and that to a first century 00:59:09.710 --> 00:59:13.400 Jew, would make sense to people from that era. 00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:17.000 They would know the tone of that. The overarching 00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.559 message of apocalyptic literature is that there 00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:22.840 is good, it is opposed by evil, and good will 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:25.460 overcome. That's the whole message of the book 00:59:25.460 --> 00:59:28.400 of Revelation. It's an apocalyptic message, a 00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:31.820 story arc. And so when people start digging out, 00:59:31.940 --> 00:59:34.300 down into the details, you know, here at all 00:59:34.300 --> 00:59:36.940 time, Gog and Magog and all the different, the 00:59:36.940 --> 00:59:39.719 10 headed beast and the crowns and the 10 crowns, 00:59:39.820 --> 00:59:43.539 all that, it's important. And those things are 00:59:43.539 --> 00:59:47.139 good to postulate on and study and all, but I 00:59:47.139 --> 00:59:50.880 see so many people get lost into that study where 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:54.199 it's almost like they're in a JR token, you know, 00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:57.150 storyline. It's like they get lost in it. And 00:59:57.150 --> 00:59:59.389 they forget that we have to live our day every 00:59:59.389 --> 01:00:00.849 day, and there are people around us that are 01:00:00.849 --> 01:00:03.630 hurting that need to hear good news. They need 01:00:03.630 --> 01:00:06.469 to hear the good news. The Bible calls the message 01:00:06.469 --> 01:00:09.429 of Christ the gospel, which means the good news. 01:00:10.110 --> 01:00:12.269 It means glad tidings, literally, is what the 01:00:12.269 --> 01:00:14.849 word means, gospel. But we say good news. This 01:00:14.849 --> 01:00:18.570 is good news. It's not bad news. And so when 01:00:18.570 --> 01:00:22.710 I hear fear mongering from pastors and ministers. 01:00:23.349 --> 01:00:26.789 I just look away. I turn the channel. I can't 01:00:26.789 --> 01:00:29.309 stay with that. But this is the problem. I hear 01:00:29.309 --> 01:00:34.349 the music and I hear all this and it seems to 01:00:34.349 --> 01:00:39.190 be telling us that Islam is scary, whereas you 01:00:39.190 --> 01:00:42.090 and I, I think, agree that, okay, we're going 01:00:42.090 --> 01:00:45.900 to try and just win these. These Muslims over 01:00:45.900 --> 01:00:47.920 and tell them the good news of Jesus, but we're 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:49.679 not gonna coerce them We're just gonna plant 01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:51.920 seeds like our buddy Muhammad in Bahrain. He 01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:55.469 sent a lovely note to us He said, I love hearing 01:00:55.469 --> 01:00:57.690 you guys because I was trying to convert you 01:00:57.690 --> 01:00:59.730 to Islam, but you were trying to convert me. 01:00:59.909 --> 01:01:01.809 He said, no, we weren't, brother. We were just 01:01:01.809 --> 01:01:04.030 trying to plant some seeds. Now you tell me when 01:01:04.030 --> 01:01:06.530 you dream of the man in the white, then you send 01:01:06.530 --> 01:01:10.329 me another email. I love your response. He's 01:01:10.329 --> 01:01:13.670 a great guy. Absolutely. But my heart is, I'm 01:01:13.670 --> 01:01:16.090 not afraid of him. I just want to see him with 01:01:16.090 --> 01:01:18.190 me in heaven someday and we get to high five 01:01:18.190 --> 01:01:21.949 each other and say, man, we made it. And so this 01:01:21.949 --> 01:01:25.969 idea, In terms of Islam, I know when we go down 01:01:25.969 --> 01:01:30.030 this route, people just start defaulting to various 01:01:30.030 --> 01:01:33.230 preconceived thoughts like, well, Adams, he's 01:01:33.230 --> 01:01:37.369 being soft on Islam or Jimmy, you should be railing 01:01:37.369 --> 01:01:39.849 against this. But the thing is, it's not about 01:01:39.849 --> 01:01:43.010 soft, hard railing or not. It's not even about 01:01:43.010 --> 01:01:46.690 that. It's about the truth. Truth. We want to 01:01:46.690 --> 01:01:50.070 be truth tellers. If there are things going on 01:01:50.070 --> 01:01:53.769 that are nefarious, if they are positioning themselves 01:01:53.769 --> 01:01:57.369 to win more political offices, and you bet they 01:01:57.369 --> 01:01:59.530 are, they'd be stupid if they weren't. I mean, 01:01:59.650 --> 01:02:02.590 come on, let's get real. What group out there 01:02:02.590 --> 01:02:05.110 isn't doing that? Yes, thank you. Christians 01:02:05.110 --> 01:02:08.570 are, we are. So, okay, let's admit, yeah, they 01:02:08.570 --> 01:02:10.570 are, but where do we beat them? We beat them 01:02:10.570 --> 01:02:13.469 at the ballot box. We beat them at the city council. 01:02:13.550 --> 01:02:15.869 We beat them on the school board, but we don't 01:02:15.869 --> 01:02:19.530 take up pitchforks. and torches, or we don't 01:02:19.530 --> 01:02:23.070 start going online and saying things that are 01:02:23.070 --> 01:02:27.329 not true. And that's the hard part for me. And 01:02:27.329 --> 01:02:29.869 I defended you in a conversation, not that you 01:02:29.869 --> 01:02:32.630 need it, but of somebody saying, God, it seems 01:02:32.630 --> 01:02:35.550 like Adam, he's not scared. He's not worried 01:02:35.550 --> 01:02:39.110 about Islam because it's coming slower here than 01:02:39.110 --> 01:02:42.690 it did in Europe. that's not even the right question 01:02:42.690 --> 01:02:47.389 or observation. The issue is truth. If we are 01:02:47.389 --> 01:02:51.190 Christians and we're out there spewing misinformation 01:02:51.190 --> 01:02:54.869 or exaggerated statistics and things like that 01:02:54.869 --> 01:03:00.409 to somehow drum up emotions and fear, and then 01:03:00.409 --> 01:03:04.210 we begin to believe things like the ends justifies 01:03:04.460 --> 01:03:07.900 The means justifies the end. And then we slip 01:03:07.900 --> 01:03:10.320 into what everybody else is doing and we're no 01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:12.780 different. And we're called to be different. 01:03:13.219 --> 01:03:15.320 The scripture says, come out from among them. 01:03:15.380 --> 01:03:18.280 We're supposed to live a holy life. That means 01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:21.719 full integrity. That means full transparency. 01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:24.920 And it means being truthful, whether you like 01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:28.809 it or not. Be truthful. And I think there's enough 01:03:28.809 --> 01:03:31.989 out there where we have seen them posturing to 01:03:31.989 --> 01:03:34.730 get offices and do various things that, yeah, 01:03:35.050 --> 01:03:37.329 those are the things we stand against. Yeah, 01:03:37.409 --> 01:03:40.090 and we'll vote against. Absolutely. That's how 01:03:40.090 --> 01:03:43.969 you do that. And we meet them on the playground 01:03:43.969 --> 01:03:48.190 of politics. And we do what we have the right 01:03:48.190 --> 01:03:50.230 to do and what we've been given the right to 01:03:50.230 --> 01:03:53.039 do through our Constitution. And so, but yeah, 01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:55.340 I'm with you. And this is where I'm getting frustrated 01:03:55.340 --> 01:03:58.619 at some of the weird feedback where people think, 01:03:58.619 --> 01:04:00.739 well, you're just not worried enough about it. 01:04:00.739 --> 01:04:04.139 And I'm like, the Bible tells me to be anxious 01:04:04.139 --> 01:04:08.079 for nothing, but in everything by prayer and 01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:11.500 supplication with thanksgiving, let your requests 01:04:11.500 --> 01:04:14.800 be made known to God. And when I do that, I offload 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:19.059 that. So I'm offloading fear and worry and and 01:04:19.059 --> 01:04:22.019 obeying Philippians chapter 4 verse 4 because 01:04:22.019 --> 01:04:24.960 the very next verse says then it actually says 01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:29.440 and chi in Greek and The peace of God that passes 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.760 all understanding shall guard your hearts and 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:35.940 your minds in Christ Jesus I'm living with a 01:04:35.940 --> 01:04:39.119 guarded heart and a guarded mind in Christ. So 01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:41.980 I don't have the emotional capacity or energy 01:04:41.980 --> 01:04:46.570 to be spun up Angry or afraid because my Bible 01:04:46.570 --> 01:04:51.929 tells me in the end he wins not we Kim God wins 01:04:51.929 --> 01:04:54.969 and that's where my focus is. So I'm not gonna 01:04:54.969 --> 01:04:59.250 run around hair on fire Wasting my energy and 01:04:59.250 --> 01:05:01.469 taking ten years off the back of my life for 01:05:01.469 --> 01:05:03.550 stressing about something that hasn't happened 01:05:03.550 --> 01:05:06.969 Unless you want lots of clicks and likes on Instagram 01:05:06.969 --> 01:05:10.590 YouTube etc, which is unfortunately what I feel 01:05:10.590 --> 01:05:14.989 the reason is for this type of segment that I 01:05:14.989 --> 01:05:19.329 see clipped and shared and put into newsgroups 01:05:19.329 --> 01:05:23.269 and text chains. And it always has ominous music. 01:05:24.250 --> 01:05:27.349 And it's always this is unbelievable. Look at 01:05:27.349 --> 01:05:30.469 how this lines up a bit. I've I've listened to 01:05:30.469 --> 01:05:33.869 so many end times podcasts, you know, and you're 01:05:33.869 --> 01:05:35.989 listening to more than me. I can't stomach it. 01:05:35.989 --> 01:05:40.260 Oh, well, but I'm new. And I go and listen to 01:05:40.260 --> 01:05:43.800 it and I just roll my eyes because of you're 01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:45.539 my pastor, you're my friend, but you're also 01:05:45.539 --> 01:05:50.980 my pastor and you've been around the block. You're 01:05:50.980 --> 01:05:54.039 not just some newbie pastor who's jumping up 01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:57.380 and down. You have been around the block in many 01:05:57.380 --> 01:05:59.420 different churches, many different situations. 01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:02.320 I have the privilege of being able to talk to 01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:06.159 you about some of these things. and knowing where 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:09.679 you're coming from, because in a way our vocations 01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:12.920 have not been that different when it comes to 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.980 being a public figure and what that brings with 01:06:15.980 --> 01:06:20.539 it. And so when I see this, I just think, well, 01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:23.460 unfortunately, you seem to be doing this to grab 01:06:23.460 --> 01:06:25.920 attention and grab attention for what you're 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:29.460 doing. And I don't know if pastors are doing 01:06:29.460 --> 01:06:33.340 this. may not always be intentional, and I know 01:06:33.340 --> 01:06:35.860 they're excited to talk about this comparison, 01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:39.699 but I see you. I see what the result is, and 01:06:39.699 --> 01:06:43.440 the result is not good fruit. It just never is 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.760 when I see this stuff. There you go. You just 01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:50.179 nailed it. You will know them by their fruit, 01:06:50.659 --> 01:06:53.739 the scripture says. Jesus was talking about those 01:06:53.739 --> 01:06:57.039 that have hearts that have been turned away or 01:06:57.039 --> 01:06:59.719 turned aside or they're not focused on him, you 01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:01.940 will know them by their fruits. And I'm not calling 01:07:01.940 --> 01:07:04.579 out all these pastors in a disparaging way. I'm 01:07:04.579 --> 01:07:07.219 just saying, guys, hey guys, let's get our eyes 01:07:07.219 --> 01:07:10.440 back where it should be. When I was at TPUSA 01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:13.400 Faith Forward Pastor Summit, we talked about 01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:16.119 it last week, but what I loved about it is that 01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:18.920 there was not fear mongering there. Some people 01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:20.860 would think, man, that would be the rah rah rally 01:07:20.860 --> 01:07:24.139 for America and Trump. Everything's red. not 01:07:24.139 --> 01:07:26.059 red, white and blue, just red, but it wasn't 01:07:26.059 --> 01:07:28.860 at all. It was about the gospel, the good news 01:07:28.860 --> 01:07:32.260 of Jesus Christ. Put down your screens, pick 01:07:32.260 --> 01:07:35.059 up your Bibles, preach the truth. And that's 01:07:35.059 --> 01:07:37.500 what that whole thing was about. And I told Annette, 01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:40.300 I said, this is the best event we've been to 01:07:40.300 --> 01:07:43.099 because all the other events we've been to tend 01:07:43.099 --> 01:07:46.500 to have this, oh no, they're coming after us. 01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:48.860 Oh no, they're going to take over our country. 01:07:49.230 --> 01:07:52.329 and it's spinning pastors up. And boy, you know 01:07:52.329 --> 01:07:56.030 how this group think works. It spreads like a 01:07:56.030 --> 01:07:58.750 virus, like a fire. You know, these West Texas 01:07:58.750 --> 01:08:01.070 wildfires right now, they can't get them under 01:08:01.070 --> 01:08:03.690 control. It's the same thing. They just spread 01:08:03.690 --> 01:08:06.889 like a wildfire. And I just keep thinking, guys, 01:08:07.090 --> 01:08:10.829 we're better than this. Come on. We know better 01:08:10.829 --> 01:08:13.949 than that. We know the truth of what God has 01:08:13.949 --> 01:08:17.560 said and what He has promised. Yes. And I'm going 01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:20.159 to lean upon that and I'm going to be anxious 01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:22.579 for nothing, according to his word. And we're 01:08:22.579 --> 01:08:26.000 only here for a short time. The infinite life 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.880 goes on for a long time. We've got a lot more 01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.720 to do, a lot more stuff. This is like boot camp 01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:34.359 in the Marine Corps. It's short -lived, but it's 01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:37.680 rough. But once you get through it... something 01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:41.779 is produced where you are resilient and impermeable 01:08:41.779 --> 01:08:45.539 and strong and decisive. And to me, this world, 01:08:45.619 --> 01:08:48.220 what we're in right now is boot camp and how 01:08:48.220 --> 01:08:52.100 we relate to the pressures. and the information 01:08:52.100 --> 01:08:55.079 that comes our way really belies what we're made 01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:57.960 of and who is on the throne of our life. And 01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:00.319 for those of you who are Christ curious, hop 01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:02.680 into the pool. I'm telling you, your life changes 01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:05.979 when you have trust, when you surrender and you 01:09:05.979 --> 01:09:08.800 follow these basic instructions in the manual. 01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:11.560 You just feel great. You don't need a self -help 01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:14.920 book. You don't need a guru. You don't need a 01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:18.399 chat bot. You read this and like, God's got this. 01:09:18.590 --> 01:09:22.930 And come what may, his plans are for good all 01:09:22.930 --> 01:09:27.109 the time. Every generation has their things to 01:09:27.109 --> 01:09:29.510 fight, right? Every generation has got their 01:09:29.510 --> 01:09:33.539 crises. Every generation's got their epic. The 01:09:33.539 --> 01:09:36.699 world's about to end. This happens every generation. 01:09:37.300 --> 01:09:39.399 And every generation, there's people out there 01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:41.539 saying, oh, this is the book of Revelation coming 01:09:41.539 --> 01:09:44.239 to pass. This is that. This is that. And here's 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:46.859 the deal. I hope it is because that means I'm 01:09:46.859 --> 01:09:49.220 one day closer to meeting Jesus and I'm good 01:09:49.220 --> 01:09:53.960 with that. So, if that's the case, he promises 01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:57.600 he will be with us in the fire. If the fire's 01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:00.380 coming, he will be with us. This is why you don't 01:10:00.380 --> 01:10:03.550 have to live in fear. But here's the thing, and 01:10:03.550 --> 01:10:05.710 you know this, Adam, because man, this is your 01:10:05.710 --> 01:10:09.670 world. People, when you live on a steady diet 01:10:09.670 --> 01:10:12.649 of this information and you live on a steady 01:10:12.649 --> 01:10:15.689 diet of these kinds of podcasts, these kinds 01:10:15.689 --> 01:10:19.609 of newsfeeds, you can't help but go down the 01:10:19.609 --> 01:10:22.270 rabbit hole. You can't help but go down into 01:10:22.270 --> 01:10:25.149 dark places and you start to live that way. I 01:10:25.149 --> 01:10:27.369 have countless people in our church who have 01:10:27.369 --> 01:10:31.579 come to me thanked me and vicariously thanking 01:10:31.579 --> 01:10:35.500 you for that briefing that I do every Sunday 01:10:35.500 --> 01:10:39.239 when I step up into the pulpit because it's helping 01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.939 them take a step back, turn the volume down, 01:10:43.140 --> 01:10:45.960 step away. Of course, I'm hammering to put down 01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:49.119 your screens, pick up your Bible line because 01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:53.510 it's helping them. It's helping them. And they're 01:10:53.510 --> 01:10:55.850 thanking me for it on a regular basis. So thank 01:10:55.850 --> 01:10:59.750 you, Adam, because you put all the bones together 01:10:59.750 --> 01:11:02.109 and all that, and then you send it to me. I put 01:11:02.109 --> 01:11:06.369 my spin on it. And then together, we're helping 01:11:06.369 --> 01:11:11.369 our people settle down and refocus. And we always 01:11:11.369 --> 01:11:14.409 want to help get to nation. So if there's absolutely, 01:11:14.510 --> 01:11:16.909 we just want to help you make sense of the world 01:11:16.909 --> 01:11:20.609 through scripture, through common sense, through 01:11:20.609 --> 01:11:24.369 the promise of Jesus. It'll make you feel good. 01:11:25.050 --> 01:11:26.550 You're worrying about all that stuff. It'll make 01:11:26.550 --> 01:11:29.029 it go bald. You will lose your hair. I'm telling 01:11:29.029 --> 01:11:31.130 you. This is the number one reason for hair loss. 01:11:31.489 --> 01:11:35.310 Let's thank some people who supported us. This 01:11:35.310 --> 01:11:38.250 is value for value. So whenever you think, wow, 01:11:38.390 --> 01:11:42.420 I got something out of this, we love to... receive 01:11:42.420 --> 01:11:44.720 value back from you, time, talent, treasure. 01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:46.880 The best thing you can do is tell someone about 01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:50.479 the podcast. We always appreciate that. We love 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:53.199 it when you send us value, monetary value. Now 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.920 this was our, Tina came up with the promotion. 01:11:56.390 --> 01:11:59.689 This was our first anniversary. I'm 62. So she 01:11:59.689 --> 01:12:02.689 said anybody can afford a dollar and 62 cents 01:12:02.689 --> 01:12:05.689 or maybe $16 and 20 cents, but Ryan Jacobs took 01:12:05.689 --> 01:12:08.029 it to another level He came in with a hundred 01:12:08.029 --> 01:12:10.489 and sixty two dollars and eighty eight cents 01:12:10.489 --> 01:12:14.409 He says happy first happy one year anniversary 01:12:14.409 --> 01:12:16.810 till we get to do this and happy 60 second birthday 01:12:16.810 --> 01:12:20.069 to Adam and a toast to new beginnings. Amen I 01:12:20.069 --> 01:12:22.250 appreciate how you help keep current events in 01:12:22.250 --> 01:12:24.569 perspective and in a manner that refocuses me 01:12:24.569 --> 01:12:26.850 on my faith in Christ. Not only do we get to 01:12:26.850 --> 01:12:30.569 do this, but he's got this. HGT. There you go. 01:12:30.750 --> 01:12:32.550 Excellent. Praying for your efforts and continue 01:12:32.550 --> 01:12:34.689 to reach many hearts and souls. Ryan Jacobs. 01:12:34.829 --> 01:12:37.640 Thank you, Ryan. That's beautiful. Dwayne Higgins, 01:12:37.779 --> 01:12:40.920 $100, Adam and Pastor Jimmy, I really appreciate 01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:43.439 the podcast. When the news has me convinced I 01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:45.939 should be building a bunker and stockpiling canned 01:12:45.939 --> 01:12:48.640 goods, you bring some much needed perspective 01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:51.359 and remind me that the world probably isn't ending 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:53.579 tomorrow. Thanks for the laughs, the biblical 01:12:53.579 --> 01:12:56.619 perspectives, and the sanity, Dwayne. Wiggins 01:12:56.619 --> 01:13:00.600 from And there's Michael Anastasio every single 01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:02.699 episode he comes with a hundred dollars and love 01:13:02.699 --> 01:13:05.479 you brother. Thank you He says I would love to 01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:07.960 offer the donation in the name of Cameron Knapp 01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:10.560 who last week asked for guidance and helped so 01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.380 many others Thanks, brother. Yes, we appreciate 01:13:13.380 --> 01:13:17.680 that from camera and here's Jason Calacanis Jason 01:13:18.569 --> 01:13:22.229 hosts a very big podcast called The All In Podcast. 01:13:22.789 --> 01:13:25.289 He was your guest. He was my guest on No Agenda. 01:13:25.510 --> 01:13:29.289 I've known him since the 90s. And I knew that 01:13:29.289 --> 01:13:31.890 he was decloaking because in private messages, 01:13:31.890 --> 01:13:33.750 he was telling me that, but he did it on the 01:13:33.750 --> 01:13:37.729 show. And he said, you know, I'm a Christian. 01:13:38.789 --> 01:13:41.710 And I don't think he's ever said that publicly 01:13:41.710 --> 01:13:47.569 before. And he comes in with $88 .88. And he 01:13:47.569 --> 01:13:50.449 says, every episode makes me think about my faith 01:13:50.449 --> 01:13:53.229 a little more. I appreciate the consistency. 01:13:54.189 --> 01:13:56.970 All right. Thanks, brother. Thank you, Jason. 01:13:57.069 --> 01:14:00.710 Appreciate that. Darius Walker with his 7714. 01:14:01.130 --> 01:14:03.350 He says, Adam, glad you got the book. Yes, I 01:14:03.350 --> 01:14:06.920 received your book. Love God, love people. Live 01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:10.060 Jesus see email with note and then he has a long 01:14:10.060 --> 01:14:12.119 note. We read most of that I think on the previous 01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:15.819 episode Thanks, Pastor Darius Yes, pastor brother. 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.760 That's right. Joe Clemon sixty two and one cent 01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:22.579 reverse it. I like that did it backwards Happy 01:14:22.579 --> 01:14:25.500 birthday, Adam62. Happy anniversary to the podcast, 01:14:25.659 --> 01:14:28.199 O1. I just started listening and appreciate the 01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:30.079 effort and the value I get. I look forward to 01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:32.260 many more, Sir Joe. You bet, Sir Joe. That's 01:14:32.260 --> 01:14:35.819 great. Shawna Lawrence, $50. No, no, this may 01:14:35.819 --> 01:14:37.819 be a subscription, but we're going to read all 01:14:37.819 --> 01:14:40.640 of them anyway until they get too long. May that 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:43.939 last a long time. Look who, Damonette Pruitt 01:14:43.939 --> 01:14:47.319 comes in with $50. What's up with that? She's 01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:49.079 donating to the show. Hey, she loves the program. 01:14:49.300 --> 01:14:51.359 She likes the show. That's awesome. I love that. 01:14:51.619 --> 01:14:53.619 Value for value, man. She got something out of 01:14:53.619 --> 01:14:55.760 the last one. She liked it. Thank you, Damonette. 01:14:56.180 --> 01:15:02.090 Ex Vermonters, $50. No note. Ryan Albritton, 01:15:02.130 --> 01:15:05.069 $50, no note. Your notes can be sent to notes 01:15:05.069 --> 01:15:10.310 at WGTDT .com. It's all laid out perfectly on 01:15:10.310 --> 01:15:15.869 our donation website, WGTDTdonations .com. Owen 01:15:15.869 --> 01:15:21.250 McEntee, $33 .62 and he has a note. Dear Adam 01:15:21.250 --> 01:15:23.470 and Pastor Jimmy, just a note to say happy birthday, 01:15:23.670 --> 01:15:25.550 Adam. Congratulations on becoming a grandfather 01:15:25.550 --> 01:15:29.489 as well as our pod father and congrats to WGTDT 01:15:29.489 --> 01:15:32.170 for one year on the air. It's flowing off the 01:15:32.170 --> 01:15:35.250 tongue much easier these days. WGTDT. It is. 01:15:36.909 --> 01:15:40.930 3362 is 33 ding ding, but also Jesus's time on 01:15:40.930 --> 01:15:44.270 earth and 62 to commemorate your birthday. That's 01:15:44.270 --> 01:15:46.609 about $5 ,000 Australian dollars. I'm just kidding. 01:15:47.130 --> 01:15:49.619 I guess it's from Australia. I was so pleased 01:15:49.619 --> 01:15:52.239 to hear of your salvation, Adam, as I came across 01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:55.220 Noagenda back in 2019 via the Revelations radio 01:15:55.220 --> 01:15:58.020 news podcast. I've been an avid Noagenda listener 01:15:58.020 --> 01:16:02.140 ever since and only recently to WGTDT. After 01:16:02.140 --> 01:16:04.600 seven years, I too shed a tear when our beloved 01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:07.579 JCD passed away. Those memorial episodes were 01:16:07.579 --> 01:16:09.619 so heartfelt and the words of love and faith 01:16:09.619 --> 01:16:11.680 were amazing. I agree. There was a lot of them 01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:15.020 in the notes. I pray your faith made an impact 01:16:15.020 --> 01:16:17.779 on him so we can see JCD again in heaven someday. 01:16:17.939 --> 01:16:22.180 No kidding. This WGTDT podcast is so inspiring. 01:16:22.380 --> 01:16:25.039 I love Pastor Jimmy's prayers, devotionals, and 01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:27.460 life stories. And to hear Adam's questions about 01:16:27.460 --> 01:16:29.699 faith, the Bible, and your genuine love for Christ 01:16:29.699 --> 01:16:32.260 as a young believer, it's so uplifting. Keep 01:16:32.260 --> 01:16:33.939 up the great work, my brothers in Christ, and 01:16:33.939 --> 01:16:37.220 may God bless you and the doers out there. In 01:16:37.220 --> 01:16:40.300 Christ, Owen McEntee from Melbourne, Australia. 01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:44.880 Thank Rocky Thomas again for her 29 13. We read 01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:48.920 the note Aaron Barry $16 20 cents. Happy birthday. 01:16:49.100 --> 01:16:52.859 Thank you Stephen Reginald Reginald, I think 01:16:52.859 --> 01:16:56.579 16 and 20. I love what I love what Adam and PJ, 01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:59.279 PJ, there he goes, are doing. Keep it up. I never 01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:02.640 miss my podcast. Mike Reginald. Thank you. Cole 01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:06.899 Dial 1620. Happy birthday. Thank you. Tom Stanuszewski 01:17:06.899 --> 01:17:09.619 $16 .20. Happy birthday, Adam. Thank you for 01:17:09.619 --> 01:17:11.819 doing this podcast. Well, it's the two of us. 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:14.779 If you can get Tom Luongo to co -host No Agenda 01:17:14.779 --> 01:17:17.479 one of these days, that would be awesome. Okay. 01:17:18.020 --> 01:17:21.850 Yeah. It's getting tougher to find people to 01:17:21.850 --> 01:17:26.149 do the show with. Nicholas Stark sent us $5. 01:17:26.430 --> 01:17:28.829 Thank you, Nicholas. Dwayne Spellman Jr., he 01:17:28.829 --> 01:17:34.510 did $1 .53. I think that's his sustaining donation. 01:17:34.930 --> 01:17:37.310 We appreciate that. And thank you all so much 01:17:37.310 --> 01:17:40.090 for supporting. We get to do this, our one year 01:17:40.090 --> 01:17:42.729 anniversary. I've been waiting to do this because 01:17:42.729 --> 01:17:44.850 I never did it on any of the other podcasts. 01:17:45.149 --> 01:17:50.310 You can set a season and an episode. The next 01:17:50.310 --> 01:17:53.869 show that we do will be season two, episode one. 01:17:54.010 --> 01:17:56.149 I'm so excited for that to pop up in all the 01:17:56.149 --> 01:17:58.909 podcast apps. That's cool. You can get us anywhere 01:17:58.909 --> 01:18:02.329 podcasts are consumed, of course. We'd love for 01:18:02.329 --> 01:18:05.470 you to... take a look at all of the podcasts 01:18:05.470 --> 01:18:09.550 on Bridge Radio at bridgefbg .com. You can also 01:18:09.550 --> 01:18:12.970 get the Godcaster app and find it there. And 01:18:12.970 --> 01:18:15.430 keep telling people about, we get to do this. 01:18:15.670 --> 01:18:18.069 It is part of our mission, part of the Great 01:18:18.069 --> 01:18:20.569 Commission and we love doing it. It's awesome. 01:18:21.250 --> 01:18:24.449 Hey, I got a couple of notes and I think you 01:18:24.449 --> 01:18:28.880 got these too. So from Paul. Jesty or Gesty from 01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:32.640 Adelaide, Australia. I do a terrible Australian. 01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:34.380 So anyway, he says, in the morning to you both 01:18:34.380 --> 01:18:36.739 or in the afternoon. In my case, I want to pass 01:18:36.739 --> 01:18:39.420 along my deepest condolences to you, Adam, and 01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:41.380 to John's family. So it's a beautiful thing there. 01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:42.840 He writes a beautiful note. And then he says 01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:45.319 this, I'm Catholic. Please don't, I love his 01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:47.460 sense of humor, by the way. I'm Catholic. Please 01:18:47.460 --> 01:18:50.020 don't hold that against me. And recently returned 01:18:50.020 --> 01:18:52.659 to the church after a long hiatus. He talks about 01:18:52.659 --> 01:18:55.119 his daughter, Maddie was having some health issues 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:57.909 and that actually he brought his attention back 01:18:57.909 --> 01:19:01.609 to God. He says, during that time, my family 01:19:01.609 --> 01:19:04.229 and friends across different parishes and Christian 01:19:04.229 --> 01:19:07.909 faiths lifted up our family in prayer. And I 01:19:07.909 --> 01:19:09.529 still discover people from all over in certain 01:19:09.529 --> 01:19:11.430 circles who are praying for us. And so he says 01:19:11.430 --> 01:19:13.789 this, that Maddie's doing well now, about to 01:19:13.789 --> 01:19:16.829 turn 13. And he says this, he says, since her 01:19:16.829 --> 01:19:19.569 recovery, Maddie, my youngest daughter, Georgie, 01:19:19.710 --> 01:19:22.850 and I attend mass every Sunday afternoon at 5pm 01:19:22.850 --> 01:19:25.899 at our local parish. Coming back to Mass has 01:19:25.899 --> 01:19:28.640 truly felt like coming home. I also pray regularly 01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:31.460 that my beautiful wife will come with us as well 01:19:31.460 --> 01:19:33.979 at some point. And he talks about a little bit 01:19:33.979 --> 01:19:36.000 of things about some of the things we've talked 01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:37.699 about. And he says on a brighter note, I want 01:19:37.699 --> 01:19:40.460 to thank you immensely for this podcast. It speaks 01:19:40.460 --> 01:19:43.220 to me deeply, regardless of denomination, what 01:19:43.220 --> 01:19:46.079 matters most is that we as Christians love Jesus 01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:49.140 and God and stand united. It always frustrates 01:19:49.140 --> 01:19:51.220 me when different branches get caught up in arguing 01:19:51.220 --> 01:19:53.680 over trivial differences. Me too, brother. Yeah, 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:58.420 no kidding. He says, happy 62nd birthday, Adam. 01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:01.279 I hope you have a fantastic day and congratulations 01:20:01.279 --> 01:20:04.140 on becoming a grandparent, Paul. Yes. Jesse, 01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:07.779 very cool. Got another note, a nice note from 01:20:07.779 --> 01:20:11.020 Kelly and Sarah. I think you probably know them. 01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:15.619 Yes, Dame Sarah of the Fraser Valley. Wrote a 01:20:15.619 --> 01:20:19.619 beautiful note, just encouraging for lack of 01:20:19.619 --> 01:20:24.300 an official WGTDT greeting. We got to fix that. 01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:26.420 She says, I defaulted to you in the morning. 01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:29.100 So thankfully, Jimmy's a member of No Agenda 01:20:29.100 --> 01:20:32.039 Nation, so it works. We're taking suggestions, 01:20:32.060 --> 01:20:34.199 by the way. There you go. That's right. We want 01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:36.560 you guys to help us create the culture and the 01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:39.399 community around this. So just beautiful. Just 01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:41.960 talked a little bit about the episodes around 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:44.539 John DeVorek's passing and how encouraging that 01:20:44.539 --> 01:20:48.260 was. Talked about some surgery issues. And then 01:20:48.260 --> 01:20:51.289 she says that... I'm not sure which one says 01:20:51.289 --> 01:20:53.390 this. Jimmy, I've told Adam in a couple of previous 01:20:53.390 --> 01:20:56.149 emails from me, listening to podcasts develops 01:20:56.149 --> 01:20:58.489 strange but wonderful, one -sided friendships. 01:20:59.210 --> 01:21:01.069 I feel like I know Adam well. I've listened to 01:21:01.069 --> 01:21:03.710 No Agenda for almost six years. I started listening 01:21:03.710 --> 01:21:05.689 to Curry and the Keeper, though I'm still behind 01:21:05.689 --> 01:21:08.130 on the episodes. I got to know Tina through that, 01:21:08.489 --> 01:21:11.109 and then that introduced me to you and Annette. 01:21:11.310 --> 01:21:13.569 and started listening to Living Up and Down World. 01:21:13.970 --> 01:21:16.170 Another great show. She's still behind on the 01:21:16.170 --> 01:21:18.470 episodes. Through all of this, I feel like I'm 01:21:18.470 --> 01:21:20.890 getting to know you too, but you don't know me 01:21:20.890 --> 01:21:22.750 at all. It's a weird way to be friends with people, 01:21:22.770 --> 01:21:25.550 but it's still very enjoyable. And it's true. 01:21:25.789 --> 01:21:28.210 I mean, it does feel like a one -sided thing, 01:21:28.250 --> 01:21:31.109 but it's really not. Because though we may not 01:21:31.109 --> 01:21:34.550 have met you yet, I'd love to at a meetup or 01:21:34.550 --> 01:21:36.850 something. Yeah, I mean, we get to connect that 01:21:36.850 --> 01:21:40.050 way. But it really is a give and take relationship 01:21:40.050 --> 01:21:42.909 that happens. And thank God for technology. It's 01:21:42.909 --> 01:21:46.250 good for some things, right? I feel that a podcast 01:21:46.250 --> 01:21:50.609 is truly a podcast when you have the feedback 01:21:50.609 --> 01:21:54.630 loop. That's what makes it work. And that's forgotten 01:21:54.630 --> 01:21:59.069 so many times. And I find it's always a shame 01:21:59.069 --> 01:22:03.069 when I see... Joe Rogan just looks at things 01:22:03.069 --> 01:22:06.970 differently than I do. The community is in the 01:22:06.970 --> 01:22:11.390 YouTube comments and he's not there. And that's 01:22:11.390 --> 01:22:13.949 what I love, especially about you, brother, is 01:22:13.949 --> 01:22:17.310 at WGTDT .com, which goes straight to our sub 01:22:17.310 --> 01:22:20.710 stack. That's where people are engaging and there's 01:22:20.710 --> 01:22:23.789 commenting and you're in there and Tina's reading 01:22:23.789 --> 01:22:27.420 along. love doing that. And I love this feedback 01:22:27.420 --> 01:22:29.819 loop that we do on the air. It just makes so 01:22:29.819 --> 01:22:31.760 much sense. That's what it's about. And that's 01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:34.220 why I wanted to call these guys out because I 01:22:34.220 --> 01:22:36.500 just so appreciate that they take time. These 01:22:36.500 --> 01:22:38.840 are long notes. I mean, and they even apologize 01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:40.680 for them being long, but don't. I mean, thank 01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:43.420 you for sharing slices of your life with us. 01:22:43.699 --> 01:22:47.689 It helps us. know who we're talking to and it 01:22:47.689 --> 01:22:51.409 gives us a picture of you. And so when we're 01:22:51.409 --> 01:22:54.189 doing these podcasts, your names come across 01:22:54.189 --> 01:22:58.789 our minds. I love this. It says, Adam, all the 01:22:58.789 --> 01:23:00.489 times you've talked about how you can look back 01:23:00.489 --> 01:23:03.050 and see your steps are always ordered and things 01:23:03.050 --> 01:23:05.270 were put into place to bring you where you are 01:23:05.270 --> 01:23:08.449 today. Go podcasting. It says, I think of you 01:23:08.449 --> 01:23:11.350 every time I hear this song. Now, Jimmy, I think 01:23:11.350 --> 01:23:13.029 it's a good one for you too. You may have heard 01:23:13.029 --> 01:23:15.239 it before, Trumpet of Jesus by Russ staff from 01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:17.560 1994. It's a classic. Oh, I got to look it up. 01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:20.500 I definitely know that. Yeah, it's classic. And 01:23:20.500 --> 01:23:22.500 so anyway, it says, thank you for your courage 01:23:22.500 --> 01:23:24.619 and God bless you both. So that's Dame Sarah 01:23:24.619 --> 01:23:27.159 of the Frasier Valley. Thank you, Dame Sarah. 01:23:27.180 --> 01:23:30.680 We also got to just be an equal opportunity here, 01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:33.340 maybe an equal opportunity offender at times. 01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:38.600 Here's the deal. I appreciate Mohamed Hamad wrote 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:41.420 us, and he's the one you were referring to earlier. 01:23:41.600 --> 01:23:44.920 And I just really appreciate that he took time 01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:48.359 to write us. And it's so, I'm reading it, it's 01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:51.340 delightful. And he gets some clarity on the men 01:23:51.340 --> 01:23:54.640 that we're doing, coming into the Spanish property 01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:57.180 and all that, which I love. And he even talks 01:23:57.180 --> 01:23:59.880 about his own frustration with his own people. 01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:02.500 You know what I'm saying? Because the same thing 01:24:02.500 --> 01:24:05.340 is for us. I mean, we've got Christians out there 01:24:05.340 --> 01:24:07.779 that are idiots sometimes, and they do stupid 01:24:07.779 --> 01:24:10.619 stuff. They do. And all we want to do is tell 01:24:10.619 --> 01:24:14.020 the world, that's not us, you know? And so, that's 01:24:14.020 --> 01:24:15.920 kind of what Muhammad's doing with his. Well, 01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:17.300 Muhammad's doing, yeah. Yep, exactly. He's a 01:24:17.300 --> 01:24:19.260 great guy, though, and I really appreciate it. 01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:21.739 So, and, you know, he ends just saying, hey, 01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:24.340 God bless, man. Yeah. Just appreciate it. So, 01:24:24.420 --> 01:24:26.960 thank you, Muhammad, for riding us and hanging 01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.479 in there with us. Yes. When you could go do something 01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:31.859 different. Darius Walker wrote, again, you know, 01:24:31.859 --> 01:24:34.079 just talking about his. I have a mutual friend 01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:36.939 with him, Larry Ice, who wrote the book I think 01:24:36.939 --> 01:24:39.199 you were talking about. He sent me a copy as 01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:41.859 well. And I just so appreciate those guys, but 01:24:41.859 --> 01:24:44.359 I just wanted to call their names out because 01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:47.300 I just appreciate value for value is not just 01:24:47.300 --> 01:24:50.239 about resources. Resources are who you are. It's 01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:53.779 your notes. It's your feedback. It's your contributions 01:24:53.779 --> 01:24:56.560 in terms of, hey, let's call this doers. Let's 01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:59.729 be, we get to nation. We're listening and we 01:24:59.729 --> 01:25:01.689 just want to say thank you for writing in. Joe 01:25:01.689 --> 01:25:03.729 Rojas is another one that sent a great note in. 01:25:04.109 --> 01:25:07.229 So we just appreciate you guys and we're doing 01:25:07.229 --> 01:25:10.350 this because of you. We're doing this because 01:25:10.350 --> 01:25:12.670 we say we get to do this, but we really mean 01:25:12.670 --> 01:25:15.850 that for us. This is joyful for us. This doesn't 01:25:15.850 --> 01:25:19.329 work. We're taking time. I'm remote, Adam's remote, 01:25:19.329 --> 01:25:21.930 but we're taking time because it's important 01:25:21.930 --> 01:25:25.630 to us to help people and do all we can. Wow. 01:25:25.729 --> 01:25:28.869 Land it for me, brother. You're on a roll. All 01:25:28.869 --> 01:25:31.050 right. Well, listen, I want to share something 01:25:31.050 --> 01:25:33.810 I wrote this morning. I do thing called the daily 01:25:33.810 --> 01:25:36.970 grind. You can find it on our, actually on my 01:25:36.970 --> 01:25:39.590 sub stack. I put them on there every day. And 01:25:39.590 --> 01:25:42.350 I called this today. I think this may help some 01:25:42.350 --> 01:25:44.960 of you who are praying because a lot of our people 01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:47.739 that are Christ curious and coming back to faith 01:25:47.739 --> 01:25:50.100 say the same things where, you know, I'm praying, 01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:52.239 but I don't know if God's really hearing me. 01:25:52.500 --> 01:25:54.880 And so I called this before you see the answer. 01:25:55.060 --> 01:25:58.319 And super simple, Colossians 4 .2 says, continue 01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:01.920 steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with 01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.800 thanksgiving. And here's the daily grind. It's 01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:07.380 this, in Paul's letter to the Colossian Christians, 01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:10.800 he explains how the gospel transforms everyday 01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:13.779 relationships and priorities. He now turns to 01:26:13.779 --> 01:26:17.260 the church's outward mission. Prayer is not an 01:26:17.260 --> 01:26:20.460 afterthought. Prayer is the spiritual foundation 01:26:20.460 --> 01:26:23.600 for the proclamation of the gospel. No prayer, 01:26:23.899 --> 01:26:26.699 no power. No intercession, which is another kind 01:26:26.699 --> 01:26:30.880 of prayer, no impact. No entreaty, no effect. 01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:34.880 We are to be expectant with gratitude, trusting 01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:37.600 that God hears our prayers. Now here's your assignment 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:40.560 for the day. Spend time praying and thanking 01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:43.960 God for the answer before you see it come to 01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:48.199 pass. That's called faith. So in faith, celebrate 01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:51.199 as though it's already done. And here's the prayer 01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:54.100 and I'll end with this. Father, I thank you in 01:26:54.100 --> 01:26:57.479 advance for hearing my prayers and are already 01:26:57.479 --> 01:27:01.039 setting the answers in motion. In Jesus' name, 01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:05.199 Amen. Amen. Brother, I'll see you next week in 01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:07.899 the studio at the church. Yes, sir. Looking forward 01:27:07.899 --> 01:27:10.060 to it. Remember, we get to do this.