Abba Father, we are grateful, Adam and I, that
we get to come and do this today. We get to do
this. It's a privilege to do it. We don't look
at it as an entitlement or a riot, but a get
-to. And we don't got to, either, to use bad
grammar, but we get to do this. Thank you, Father,
for your presence, even as we talk and discuss
and talk about what's going on in our world and,
Father, where we find the crossroads. between
culture and Christianity. We commit this to you.
We consecrate it to you. We pray for our amazing
listeners and just the amazing feedback we've
been getting from them. Father, it is our heart
for them to grow and to develop and to continue
on their journey of faith. In Jesus name, we
honor you. Amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, August
19th, 2026. We get to do this. This is episode
number 46. Yes, we do hello get to nation and
to all the doers out there You did it. I did
it. I couldn't help myself. It's excellent Hey
brother, how you doing played? Brother I'm doing
fantastic as my old boss Dave Ramsey used to
say better than I deserve. Yeah So Even though
it sounds like we're right across from each other
you are on the road once again Appreciate you
dialing in for for our little podcast here What
are you doing? We are suffering for Jesus in
Santa Barbara California The suffering is great.
Suffering is great brother. Somebody's got to
do it Well, we were invited to be a part of this
relatively small gathering of pastors in Santa
Barbara by TPUSA Faith, their faith division.
We'd never been to this event. We were invited
last year and we actually had scheduled to go
and we traveled so much. I was traveled out and
we both said, let's not do another event. Let's
stay home. So we didn't go last year, but this
year we planned ahead and it's been a fantastic
experience so far. And we've got, this is the
last day of it. I think Annette's going to head
over and she's going to record for me while she's
not, while I'm not there, then I'll join her
after this. So, but yeah, it's been great. They've
had a lot of big lineup of speakers like Eric
Metaxas and Gosh, it's a long list of people.
Rick Green's here. We ran into Rick and had a
good reunion there. And it's always fun to see
each other outside of our normal environments
and catch up. And so it's been great. It's been
already a day and a half, and this is the last
day. It's like a half day today. And yeah, just
encouraged, motivated. And the thing that was
a surprise to me I thought it would be a rah
rah America and rah rah Donald Trump meeting
and it has not been that at all. Interesting.
It has been gospel centric. It's get back and
preach the gospel. We had pastor Greg Lowry was
here though on the first night and it was the
closer for the first night. He got up and nary
a word about politics or anything. It's like,
brothers because he's talking to pastors. You
said relatively small. How many pastors are there?
Yeah, about 500. It's an intimate group, an intimate
gathering. Yeah, a tiny group. As you know, we've
been to a lot of conferences that are big and
this is a smaller group. And what's so cool about
it is that they have these dinners, they had
a reception, so there's a lot of opportunities
to mix. and connect with people. I've got friends
here that we didn't know we were all gonna be
here. So we've had some family reunion moments
as well with some dear pastors and friends that
we ministered alongside of a number of years
ago back in Abilene, Texas. We got to catch up
with them. But the whole thing, the whole tone
of it is get back to preaching the Bible. teaching
your people, making disciples. And if we will
do that well, our people will indeed be equipped
to engage culture because you cannot teach the
Bible without the go therefore. You know what
I mean? Yes. Go and as you are going. That's
the cultural piece. And so it has been a great
surprise because I've been to a lot of raw, raw
America rallies that just, I'm kind of done with
that, honestly. I mean, I love my country, but
but the idea of being gospel -centric and then
other things spin out of that as opposed to country
before God. It's God before country. So it's
all this has been. And honestly, I didn't expect
that here. And it's been a great surprise. I
love that. I love that. And of course, today
on the show, it's going to be a mix of things.
God, the world and other things, brother. Yes,
indeed. Yes, indeed. And I kind of got to go
back to last week as, you know, there was a lot
going on. There's been a lot going on in my life
in general. There was a lot going on. People
yelling on social media and text groups, you
know, Texas, of course, is, you know, we're under
complete invasion by Muslims. I keep seeing the
same map of, you know, 5 ,000 mosques in 24 months.
You know, absolutely not true, but it just keeps
on being repeated. And as I'm just observing
this, I want to say thank you, Holy Spirit, because
out of the blue, it just hits me. And when we
talked about this, we went out to dinner Friday
night, the four of us, for an early birthday
celebration for me since I won't be here. And
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I was in a straight jacket. Thank you, AI. I
mean, I came in, I was like, man, we can't talk
too much about it, but just got to tell you what
happened and what was on my heart and what the
words I was hearing and I had to look it up because
I think we're all, I don't want to say we're
all because at the same time as I was thinking
of this, something you said several times throughout
the past few weeks on the show, either before
or after or on the show, kept popping up in my
mind. and it goes back to our brother Muhammad
in Bahrain who sent a note and And I think we
are I think on the show It's like hey, we still
want it. We still want to get him for Jesus and
you've said this, you know several times Oh,
man, it would be great to I want to I want to
tell these people the gospel and so everything
started to click in my head and Act 17 came up
And this is verse 22 through 28. And so I'll
read the New Living Translation, but I have some
commentary. So Paul standing before the council
addressed them as follows. Men of Athens, I notice
you are very religious in every way. So he's
going into Athens and he's observing first. He's
like, hey, I noticed something. You guys are
pretty religious. As for walking along, I saw
your many shrines and one of your altars had
this inscription on it to an unknown God. This
God whom you worship without knowing is the one
I'm telling you about. So he starts right off
by talking about their unknown God. So this is
what an approach he has here. What an unbelievable
approach. He is the God who made the world and
everything in it. Since he is Lord in heaven
and earth, he doesn't live in man -made temples.
So now he's starting to shape his message a little
bit and human hands can't serve his needs for
he has no needs He himself gives life and breath
to everything and he satisfies every need From
one man. He created all the nations throughout
the whole earth. He just and I don't think any
religion really Disputes that part maybe he decided
beforehand when they should rise and fall and
he determined their boundaries His purpose was
for the nations to seek after God and perhaps
feel their way toward him and find him Though
he is not far from any of us and here he comes
For in him we live and move and exist as some
of your own poets have said we are his offspring
and so now he pulls out their their poets not
his their poets and and I we came to your house
and like man We're doing this wrong. We've got
to go after these people. And so we didn't talk
too much about it. We tried to restrain because
we want to keep it fresh for the show. But then
on Sunday, you delivered such an amazing message
in the cultural briefing part of the Reborn series
that you're doing. I had to pull a clip just
so I can share that with everybody, because it
was just so on point, so good. I just want to
play this. It's about a minute and a half. It's
so good. We used to think that we needed to get
on an airplane and spend a lot of money and go
to the nations to bring the gospel and go on
a mission trip. But guess what? God is sending
the nations right here to us. There's a couple
of ways to see what's happening with Islam in
our nation right now. You can look at it through
the eyes of fear. You can look at it through
the eyes of, oh no, what about our way of life?
You can look at it as an invasion. But what if,
stay with me on this, what if God, in his much
higher ways than ours, is actually saying, if
you won't go to the Middle East and take Jesus
to them, I will bring them to you. And I will
put them in the middle of you. And you have a
choice. You can hunker down, be afraid, sit in
your room with your 9 -millimeter Glock, waiting
for something to happen, or you can go to them
and show them the love of Jesus. You can show
them what the real Prince of Peace is about.
You can show them what it looks like to walk
into a room so Christ -confident that they're
shaking and they want to know, what is it about
your God that's better than ours? God is bringing
the nations here. So the way you see it, you
need to shift your perspective. I love Mel in
the background. He's like, come on preaching.
And Jill. Oh yeah. Only in Fredericksburg, Texas,
will you get this kind of message. You can sit
there with your nine millimeter Glock. So good.
Everybody there knows what I'm saying. Now, of
course, I know that a lot of people responded
after each service. And I think a lot of people
were very encouraged by it. I had lunch with
coffee with Matt Long yesterday here in town.
Matt does the Matt Long show on Hill Country
radio. It's also a podcast. You can listen to
one on Hello Fred and the Godcaster. And he's
like, man, Pastor Jimmy's so right on. What you
guys are talking about on the show is you're
right there. He says, but the pushback I'm getting,
Adam, he says, it's so harsh. Yeah, I know. And
he has a lot of friends who are politicians and
he says they're just pushing back and they're
pushing back and we've got to defend America.
And so I kind of wanted to unpack how this came
to be with you and then, you know, how we can
really look at what you're saying and what I
completely agree with. I'm close to being over
-clipped probably, but there's just so much rich
material out there from people that you and I
both like and respect. But the first thing Matt
said to me, he says, you know, Adam, isn't it
amazing that, and I think you made reference
to this in your message as well. He says, Israel
is so six weeks ago. Right. Donald Trump's controlled
by Israel, Israel, AIPAC, everything is all the
problem of Israel and the Jews. And then we got
to talking about it and said, you know, what
was the thing before that? Oh, before that it
was the big energy storage system. It was the,
you know, the big battery with things. It says
that's gone away. No one talks about that anymore.
And before that, and before that it was military
age men from China. They're building an army
inside our country. Exactly. And Matt says, you
know, Adam, it's coming up on the midterms. Yep.
Bingo. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I think you're
right, Matt. It's be afraid of Muslims, vote
Republican. Right. And the Democrats have their
own message as well, which we'll get to. I'll
just pause here for a second before I get into
the PsiOp portion of it for anything you want
to say, particularly since it was your message
at the church. Well, where this came from was
we were informed in our community of an organization
that had some property that was up for auction
and they were It didn't take long before someone
came up with and said, oh, there's a huge Muslim
organization out of Houston that has put in a
bid or they're about to put in a bid and they've
got the money and the resources. And the initial
reactions that we heard from people were just
such vitriol, such fear. It was such a visceral
reaction from people. And it set me back a little
bit because I began to think. And obviously,
when you hear something like that at first, it's
kind of like, whoa, what? You're processing.
And you know me, I'm a pauser. I tend to pause
and think. And so I took a pause and just said,
OK, Lord, what's really going on? And this is
when a book by Wesley Duhl that I read many years
ago called, it's about prayer. I'm trying to
remember the name of the book because it's been
years since I read. Just re -bought it because
I wanted to go back over it. But it's basically
when we pray, we're literally there in that location,
spiritually speaking. It's called touch the world
through prayer. And it's a mentality of what
we pray matters and what we do moves the needle.
And so I was thinking about that and it just
hit me. What if And Annette and I talked about
this as well. What if God, in His much higher
ways than ours, as I said in church on Sunday,
because His ways are higher than ours, they're
too much to understand. What if God is saying,
I'm going to bring the nations to you and I'm
going to put them right smack in the middle of
an academy, of a place that has been prayed over,
believed over, the land has been... anointed
with oil. There's Bibles buried there. Exactly.
What if I drop a bunch of young people from another
religion in that spot? And what if they're there
to learn from you and see you and observe you
and see that the Prince of Peace is really with
you? And so I had a different take on it. Now,
let me be clear on this. What I'm not saying
is that we need to just go drop everything and
say, all right, let's just go walk into the middle
of them and preach Jesus. No, there is a real
threat. There are things that we need to be aware
of, we need to be wise about, we need to be strategic
about. But my thing is, let's not, as to use
your words, set our hair on fire and go with
these emotional responses. Let's go with a biblical
and a godly response. Holy Spirit, what would
you have us do? And at that point, we say, yes,
Lord, and now we are under the lordship of Christ,
not under the lordship of our emotions and our
flesh. So that was my whole point of bringing
what I did to the church. I knew it could very
possibly not be popular, but God didn't call
me to preach what's popular or what would get
out of boys or, yeah, stay on that preacher.
I'm a truth teller. He called me to be a clarion
voice of truth. And so I knew it was going to
cross -cut. I told one guy, I said, I feel like
I was petting a cat backwards, rubbing the fur
the wrong way. It was like, what are you doing?
That doesn't feel good at all. Just rubbing the
fur the wrong way. But I didn't do it to be grandstanding
or anything. I did it to call, prophetically
call our people back in the style of the Old
Testament prophets who would speak into culture
and into power. and call them back to the word
of God, call them back to radical faith, radical
Christianity, not some cultural Christianity
that just goes with the flow and has blue or
red on their carb to say, this is who I am. Who
we are is not red or blue. Who we are are sons
and daughters of the most high God. He is who
we obey. He is who we follow. Not the latest
cultural trend craze or political cultural trend
or faith. So I just wanted to be clear about
that. Am I concerned about what we're seeing
across the country? Am I concerned what we see
in Michigan and Detroit and Chicago? Yeah, I
am. I'd be a fool not to be. But I'm not going
to go start a dumpster fire just on my emotions.
I've learned the hard way at the age I'm at right
now. Every time I've acted on my initial response
or reaction in terms of emotions, it's usually
ended bad. And I've had to learn how to pause.
So I want to get to the psychological operation
part of it, because you're absolutely right.
And there's no denying Plano, McKinney, Dearborn.
There's no denying that. There's no denying what
people are seeing. But scale is always very difficult
when you're looking at on a phone size screen.
True. The actual scale of how many mosques versus
churches or synagogues or temples is quite minute,
but you get stuff, you get into the algo and
things start popping up. Because I'm on board
with everything you're saying, particularly once
Act 17 hit me, I'm like, oh, we're doing this
the wrong way. What people will throw out is,
yeah, tell that to the 250 ,000 rape victims
in the UK. That has been thrown out. Yeah. So
when you throw me a 262 page report, guess what?
I'm going to read it. And what you see 111 times
is the word Muslim, but it's always followed
by the word Pakistanis, Muslim Pakistanis. What
happened in Northern England, which has been
touted as we're next, we have two years before
it's here, is not, I don't even think it's a
Muslim problem. It may just be a policing and
justice problem. And so this report, now this
has been going on for years and years and years
and has been completely ignored. It turns out
that judges and police officers and child protective
services, they were involved in these gangs.
I mean, I have a top line kind of number of what
was going on there, just to give you an example
of the scale of what was happening in the UK
regarding Well, let's talk now about this rape
gang inquiry that has been published. Rupert
Lowe raised £600 ,000 from a crowd funder and
put together a very comprehensive inquiry, actually,
the evidence. found how in the inquiries view
police discouraged victims, destroyed evidence,
and in some cases were active members of networks
when it came to rape gangs. Social care placed
children into homes that became hubs for traffickers.
The NHS failed to act on obvious signs of sexual
abuse and even sent children back to their abusers.
Schools ignored clear safeguarding concerns and
instead punished and excluded victims. We have
found, the press release says, evidence that
the same unspeakable crimes occurred in at least
149 local authority districts, close to 40 %
of all such districts across the United Kingdom.
Hard arduous 16 months and I want to thank everybody
And I hope that every member of the British public
has the time to read this. It's not straightforward.
It will take time but It needs to be understood
and it needs to be dealt with and dealt with
now a hundred and forty nine districts I mean
wow, this was a failure of a system which has
nothing to do with with religion. This is purely
a gang. Just like in the Netherlands, there's
the Moroccans. No one says the Muslims in Holland,
by the way. They say the Moroccans run the macro
mafia. In Minneapolis, it's the Somalis. Turns
out they're also Muslim, but people understand
these are gangs. This is organized crime. When
you talk with people about this, they will sometimes
say, hey look, I'm not an Islamophobe. And to
that I say, you're right. Because Islamophobia,
the definition is an irrational fear of Islam.
You have a very rational fear based upon the
information you're being presented with. And
based on history. Yes, exactly, based on history
as well. Now there is... Now, I think people
say that because there has been a thread of conversation,
which I also don't think is entirely true. And
we're really talking about the UK now. It's a
very different system. I mean, there are a lot
of problems in the UK. that people didn't want
to bring it up because they were afraid of being
called racist, Islamophobes, etc. Right. And
that is very possible, but at this scale, I kind
of doubt it. I have one more quick clip about
that. How and why have we been so reticent to
come to these conclusions before? Is it simply
fear of being called racist? Because that has
manifested itself in lots of different ways.
It's not just about people not calling it out
and saying these things. It's also manifested
itself in lots of different ways of essentially
saying, well, I don't want to be called racist,
therefore I won't raise a child safeguarding
concern. I won't refer this to social services
or it will be missed or put down the priority
level by social services, by healthcare, by education.
I mean, this is a multifaceted, systematic failure
of, we're talking about, I mean, what is alleged
to be a quarter of a million women and girls
in this country in 149 local authority districts,
close to 40 % of all districts in the United
Kingdom. Now, even if it were so that people
were just afraid to say anything because they'd
been so beaten down with socialist views, very
leftist views, you can't be, you know, name calling,
Islamophobe, racist, etc. I'm pretty sure here
in America That train left a long time ago. President
Trump broke the DEI mold. You barely even hear
that anymore. So for that reason alone, I don't
think anything of this scale could happen. And
it's kind of just a false equivalency to throw
that out and say, if we don't do something, here's
the result. Right. And I've heard both sides
of that spectrum. from radical to more rational,
to more of a central thing. And I think I would
fall more of a central where I want to live aware.
I want to live with my eyes wide open. I want
to continue to watch and monitor as best as possible
what's happening. I think there are concerns,
I think, of what's happening. Dearborn has definitely
become the poster child for that. Again, to me,
it's not so much about whether we're being invaded
or not, or whether there's an intentional agenda,
because I think that goes without question. There
is. Again, from history, know the pattern. We
see it's actually very predictable in those terms
if you look down through history and where they've
been all over the world and what their MO is.
So there's a clear and the Imams are very clear
about that. They don't hold anything back in
terms of their intentions. What I'm concerned
about more than that is the reactions of people
who say they are followers of Christ. People
who say they believe that God's on the throne.
He's not left the building. Elvis did leave the
building. God has not. He's still on the throne.
So I'm more concerned from a gospel centric perspective,
not a political slash political religious perspective.
So my commentary from Sunday was geared more
towards how we're responding to it than whether
it is happening or not. Does that make sense?
Absolutely. But I feel like a lot of people miss
that because I did get some not so nice responses.
just straight up. Because people, once I said
the very first thing, they didn't hear the rest
of what I said. They tuned out. They missed the
message. Because they've already bought into
a narrative. They've already bought into a PSYOP.
And I agree with you, Adam, we're approaching
the midterms. You've been saying this for months.
Get ready, fasten your seat belts, midterms are
coming. It always gets nuts. And I believe that
This is being leveraged by both sides. It's like,
hey, we have found something that is a hot button
in everybody's heart, more than transphobia,
more than LGBTQ. This one is scarier than all
of them put together, and both sides are leveraging
this for their ends to get people elected, no
doubt. On that note, there is legislation and
I agree with 99 % of it and I'm glad that this
is taking place. Launched in December 2025 by
Texas representatives, Keith Self and Chip Roy,
our very own Chip Roy here, is the Sharia Free
America Caucus. And I have a couple of clips
from Keith, representative Self. talking about
the caucus, how big it is, and what their plans
are. Mr. Speaker, I rise today with my colleagues
from the Sharia Free America Caucus, which my
good friend and fellow Texan, Congressman Chip
Roy and I proudly chair. Just today, we added
our 60th member. I am delighted to announce that
the caucus now has representation from 25 states
across the United States, which is half. of all
the states in this union. America was founded
on a timeless principle, individual freedom secured
by self -government under a clear and supreme
rule of constitutional law. As John Adams warned,
our constitution was made only for a moral and
religious people. It is wholly inadequate to
the government of any other. Good little preamble,
and I had not even heard of the Sharia Free America
Caucus. I haven't heard of it either. I presume
we'll hear about it closer to November. But they
have good intentions here. Today we witness the
painful truth of those words. Multitudes arrive
at our borders with no intention of assimilating
into our culture or embracing the founding principles
of liberty under the U .S. Constitution. The
clash is not new. In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and
John Adams asked the ambassador from Tripoli
why his nation attacked peaceful countries with
no provocation. He replied that it was their
right and duty under their laws of the Prophet
of the Quran to make war on all who do not acknowledge
Islamic authority, to enslave prisoners, and
that every fighter slain would go to paradise.
This was then and remains today a stark contrast
of civilizations, one rooted in submission and
domination, the other in individual liberty under
constitutional law. And this, I think, is even
the genesis of our Navy, the Tripoli attacks.
Yeah, and that was very clearly said. That was
everything he just said is what I understand
to be as accurate. And he brings up there immigration.
And this is where I'm 100 % on board. We determine
who comes into our country. Every country determines
who comes into their country. You want to go
to Australia? You literally have to be a rocket
scientist or have $5 million. That's Australian
dollars. I think that's about a buck 50 here
in the States, but still. The countries get to
determine any country sovereign. I don't like
the way you smell. It doesn't matter to me. If
we want to create those laws and we all agree
on it, that's okay. I'm totally okay with that.
And this is also what President Trump did. No,
stop. You're not coming in. Borders are closed.
We're making it complicated. Took a page out
of the Australian playbook. Hey, you can get
a gold card if you come here with a million bucks.
I'm okay with all that and Europe and particularly
the UK have not done that. Their borders are
open, their internal borders are open and that's
why it's a mess and it's been that way for 30
years at minimum. Yeah, great observation Adam.
I'm right on there with you. It comes back to
me for this and this is a simple way of saying
it, but I'm a simple man so I hope it resonates
with people. When people come to America, knowing
what I know about our history, and I have become
a huge history nerd, still young in it and learning,
I wish I'd done this 20 years ago, 30 years ago,
but still learning, but what I understand, and
you know I've had many conversations, when a
group of people come to another nation and they
refuse to assimilate and they refuse and they
begin to build parallel communities and parallel
cultures that are not in line with that nation
they went to, then that to me is dangerous. That
is where things begin to depart. And I think
that's been very clearly documented. course right
now, everything's here on fire, dumpster fire,
like you say, but I think that is happening.
And I think it is the intent that is happening.
So I really appreciate what this, what this man
just said in this, uh, who's heading this organization.
I feel like he said it with clarity and without,
you know, trying to, to, you know, breaking news
alert alert, you know, I feel like he said it
was such clarity. That's maybe one of the clearest
things I've heard on this in a while. This flows
into H -1B visas, which are mainly Indians, and
a lot of them are Muslims, and a lot of them
don't want to integrate, whether it's for their
faith or not. There's a tremendous fraud in the
H -1B visa system, which is being overhauled,
and Vice President Vance is literally going after
that fraud continuously. So this is all good.
Sharia poses a unique and profound danger. It
is far more than a personal faith. It is a comprehensive
system of governance, culture, and domination
that enforces submission through violence. All
cultures are not morally equivalent. Whereas
Christianity is the religion of peace, of reconciliation,
of love, Islam is a religion of the sword. It
stands indirect irreconcilable conflict with
a maximum individual freedom at the heart of
Western civilization and our Judeo -Christian
heritage. No argument for me. I'm not a theologian.
Sounds right. Now, here's where they go a little
bit off the rails and where we have to be careful.
Listen to this. Legislation alone cannot halt
this creeping threat, but Congress has a sworn
duty to act. Seven bills stand ready to ban Sharia's
influence, fortify our immigration and legal
systems, deport adherents who promote it. There
it is. Deport adherents who promote it. So now
you're talking about deporting people who believe
in Sharia law. Let's play that again. Fortify
our immigration and legal system. I'm on board.
Fortify our legal and immigration system. 100
percent. Good to go. Fortify our immigration
and legal systems. Deport adherents who promote
it. Designate the Muslim Brotherhood and care
as terrorist organizations. Strengthen vetting.
Advance the PAWS Act to stop all immigration.
And ensure no court ever considers Sharia or
any foreign religious code. Mr. Speaker. The
American people demand that we defend the Constitution
against ideology, seeking to supplant it, replace
it. That's why Congressmen— I'm not entirely
sure that's true, by the way. He's saying that,
but it literally says in our documents, if we
don't like our government, we have the right
to change it. So, again, I'm in agreement with
most of it, but he has to be constitutionally
careful with what's being said here. It's ideology
seeking to supplant it, replace it. That's why
Congressman Rory and I founded this caucus. It
has grown rapidly because patriots nationwide
are awakening. I urge every colleague, Republican
or Democrat, who believes in American sovereignty
to join the Sharia Free America caucus today.
Let us stand firm. One nation, one constitution,
one rule of law. Sharia has no place in America.
Okay, so this caucus, they had a hearing in the
house, and this is in Washington DC. And the
thing that came up, which is I think where we
as believers and Christians need to come in,
is for the people who are already here, who have
been here, who have been born here, who have
been here their whole lives. Now H1B, that's
easy. You want someone out of the country? I'm
sorry, I revoke your H1B visa. I don't like what
you're thinking. I can literally do that as a
country. I don't like how you think you're not
coming in. I'm completely on board. You can't
kill people. So you can say honor killings. You
can't kill people. We don't do that here. So
there's laws about that. There's also laws on
the books about female genital mutilation. There's
laws. Now, when it comes to the other parts of
Sharia, which is debatable about prayer and hygiene
and eating, okay. But this is Elias Soman, and
he is a constitutional lawyer discussing the
adherence to these concepts of Islam during this
conference, and he makes some very important
constitutional points. Whereas the proposed preserving
a Sharia Free America Act is wrong. If enacted
and upheld by the courts, it would expel tens
of thousands of people from the United States
just because of their religion by virtue of making
any non -citizen adherent of Sharia law subject
to exclusion or deportation. That violates the
First Amendment, and it would do nothing to improve
American national security. Indeed, the only
real winners would be radical Islamist terrorists
who would benefit from this by getting a free
propaganda victory. Exactly. Exactly. If you're
going to go running through the streets and saying,
do you believe in Sharia? You're deported. That
is going to cause mayhem. And there is. case
law and Supreme Court after Supreme Court that
you cannot throw a citizen, even someone who's
here on a green card because immigration laws,
no law can be made against the freedom of speech
or religion and practice of thereof. And it adheres
to people who are here on green cards as well.
And then he goes into a long case history of
it, but that's just true. And the reason why
you don't want that is because you use it for
one religion, maybe the other party's in charge
next year. And they're like, you know, you Christians,
if you believe in this, we can kick you out.
This is why you can't. And believe me, why wouldn't
that happen? We think it's not possible. So I'm
thinking as I heard that, where do we draw the
distinction between Having a faith belief But
realizing I live in a country that I cannot enforce
that I cannot and and where's the line between?
political actually political belief where does
Sharia stop being religious and start being political
in the sense that enforcing their laws enforcing
there because that's to me that we got to find
that line of distinction because It's one thing
for them to have that belief. You know, I can
have a belief, but it may be I'm in a culture
where I can't go slaughter a lamb. I can't go
sacrifice an animal, you know, on an altar. Actually,
there's been court cases and it is allowed to
slaughter a lamb on an altar. The Supreme Court
ruled on it. Okay, bad metaphor. No, no, but
it's important because you're right. The problem
here is You can't say, well, your belief is political,
therefore you're out. You can't do certain things.
You can't do things against our law. You can't
bring on your own. It's called Sharia law. I
mean, it's like Talmudic law. It's like Catholic
canonism. At a certain point, if it goes into
action that is illegal by the laws of our country,
clearly that's a no. Right. There it is. But
you can think at all you want. People think horrible
things all day long. Dudes wear dresses. You
can't stop. That's the whole point of the First
Amendment. I'm free to think what I want. Exactly.
I agree. And therefore, if you decide we're going
to build our own community, our own group, our
own thing, and we're going to have our own law
in our own community. you know, is that legal?
So that's what I'm saying is that has been attempted.
But that's a policing and judicial issue. Agreed,
agreed. And it needs to be policed. And it looks
sound and it sounds like the caucus, from what
I've heard so far, there may be some nuances
that you don't agree with. But I think that the
end result and goal is good. And they're at least
saying Hey, there's one little thing I thought
about as I was hearing the guy from the caucus.
The thing is, I think that those who are pushing
their agenda for Sharia law, I don't think they
want the Constitution to go away because they're
actually using our Constitution against us. Not
even against us? I think there's more at play
and now I want to move into Pastor Josh Howerton.
Who had a very interesting guest on his on his
podcast and I like using Josh Howerton because
people will say I'm with Howerton, you know,
I love Muslims I hate Islam and Howerton is very
clear and this this is why I think it dovetails
perfectly with what the Sharia free America caucus
is doing because absolutely There are things
that just cannot be done. There are laws and
they should be enforced and reinforced and made
very, very clear. But for those who are here,
and you're about to hear what the real issue
is, this is where we as Christians and believers,
and I think this was your message, this is where
we come in, not going around saying, oh, they
believe in Sharia, gotta kick them out of the
country. That goes against the whole idea of,
as you said, Maybe God brought him to us for
a reason. This is what I love so much about your
message. And here's Howerton. Now, for listeners,
what I'm doing for Christians is I just want
to remind you something like, biblically and
theologically, what you got in the scriptures
is that God establishes three institutions for
the flourishing of humanity. He establishes the
family, the church, and the state. And what Christians
are not good at doing, and this is not going
to be a surprise to Raymond, what Christians
are not good at doing is thinking in categories.
So what Christians have to learn to do is with
any issue, honestly, especially things like Islam,
Muslim immigration, that sort of thing, Christians
have to learn how to put their theological thinking
cap on, open the Bible. and then thinking categories,
and ask three questions, not one. Instead of
just asking, man, how should I think or feel
about Muslims and Muslim immigration? We actually
have to ask three questions. Again, family, church,
state. So you need to ask the question one, for
me as an individual Christian leading a Christian
family, how am I supposed to relate to my Muslim
neighbors? Dude, we got commands for that. I'm
supposed to love my neighbor. I'm supposed to
share the gospel with my neighbor. Question number
two, then we need to ask the question, awesome
man, I'm a pastor of a church with a massive
missions budget. This is just, you don't know
anything about me, but that's what we, and like
our goal is to fulfill the great commission,
is to share Christ with all nations, teaching
them to obey all the things, baptizing them in
the name of the Father, Son, and the Spirit.
So then we ask the question, what should we do
as churches? Well, we're supposed to fulfill
the Great Commission. So I'm going to like, dude,
I love every, Jesus loves everybody in the world.
I love everybody in the world. We're going to
try to share the gospel with everybody. But then
what Christians historically are not good at
doing, which you are good at helping people think
about, is asking the third question. What about
the role of the state and thinking civilizationally?
Christians, honestly, we haven't had to think
like that for a couple hundred years. This is
so good. Because it's exactly what what needs
to be done and we're missing Almost kind of missing
all the points. I think mmm good So this guy
is his name is Raymond Ibrahim He's a Coptic
American historian. He's not an official historian,
but I'll call him that because he sounds his
what I can tell it's solid and he wrote a book
called sword and scimitar the al -qaeda reader
and he was actually a guy who found all these
Bin Laden messages in the Library of Congress
that had never been read before, before 9 -11.
So the guy has a lot of history. And he starts
off by explaining why this has happened in Europe.
Can you grab, can you pull that? There's a graphic
that does the three phases of Muslim immigration.
So this went like viral a few years ago. I want
to know, this is why I like doing stuff like
this, because I can ask you if this is true or
not. So like, this went crazy viral like a year
ago and I grabbed it. It's three phases of Muslim
immigration. Phase one, few in number, oppressed
Islam, play the victim, claim Islamophobia, more
tolerant of others. Phase two, large minority,
indignant Islam, threatening, demand Sharia law,
intolerant of infidels. Phase three, clear majority,
dominant Islam, militant, strict Sharia law,
kill, subdue all infidels. And then it says for
1400 years, this pattern hasn't changed, et cetera,
moderacy irrelevant. Historically, is that true?
Logically, it's true. Historically, I'll say
it's not true for one reason, because you can
only get away with this amongst stupid Westerners.
Wow. And it's true. It is true. We listened to
this, Annette and I listened to this podcast.
It was fantastic. It was phenomenal. And that
is Europe. We're not stupid Westerners. We're
far from it. But what's happened in Europe is
the... Politically, people have just given up
as far as I'm concerned. And so, yeah, he's right.
This is not something that you try to do this
a couple hundred years ago in Europe. No, they
would chop your head off. You know, this is not
going to happen here. And historically, Westerners
weren't stupid. OK, so the phase one, play the
victim, claim Islamophobia wouldn't have worked
a few centuries ago. You can't go to a European
country in the medieval era and be open to press
Muslims and kick you out. It isn't working like
Anglo -Saxon Britain, probably. OK, so yeah,
it works now. But historically, to their credit,
Europeans would not have fallen because it requires
naivety. For phase one, you have to be naive
and go, oh, they're poor victims. Oh, Islamophobia.
Oh, I got to give you tolerance. That wouldn't
have happened. But now, yes, this is absolutely
correct amongst the naive West. There you go.
You nailed it. You totally nailed it. And I saw
it happen. I've seen it for over 26 years in
Holland. where I grew up, I saw this happen.
I heard those exact terms. And it got so bad
that politically people were assassinated over
this, not by Muslims, by extreme leftist nutjobs.
This is the crazy part about it. That's how Pim
Fortuyn was going to win the election on stop
Islamifying the Netherlands. It was a leftist
member of the animal party, believe it or not.
who assassinated him, just completely crazed
by the, oh, you're an Islamophobe, so we've got
to be careful in our approach. This guy continues.
I think people look at that, this alliance of
the progressive left and Muslims, and they're
like, wait, you guys are supposed to be for women's
rights, but that's not the vibe of Islam, and
you guys are for LGBT. Quote -unquote rights
and that's not you. So like let me just ask like
what is going on in your mind? And this is important
because this is the other side of the Bancheria
Kick out the Muslims vote Republican. Here's
the other side of it. This is the leftist side
It's like stop being an islamophobe. It's all
political. This is all it's all about political
power It makes perfect sense to me. What's going
on is you have to see beyond it all and this
is now we have to get spiritual talk about religion
and it's it's what's going on is Yeah, you're
absolutely right. These are two antithetical
mentalities. I mean Muslims are draconian You
know patriarchal not homosexual friendly and
then you have the left which is the exact opposite
So how does that work? That's what you're asking.
How do they comport? And I think it comes down
to the idea of the enemy of my enemies, my friend.
And both of them have the same enemy, which is
basically Christian civilization. That's the
way I see it. And they're coming from different
angles. And this actually, this does have precedence,
again, but most people don't know it. If you
go back in time and you had the medieval Christian
world, we know the Muslims were attacking it,
right? But also the pagans. And guess what? They
were often allied with each other. Fascinating.
And they both hated it for the same reason. Vikings
destroying crosses, Muslims destroying crosses,
okay? So in many ways I see the left as the descendants
of the pagans, and the Muslims are the descendants
of the Muslims, and they still have the same
enemy. So this is very interesting to me. Spot
on. Do we have only Muslims that we have to be
careful of? Not at all. No, no. And he continues
and says Christianity is the target. And of course,
the Bible tells us it's going to be forever.
And of course, if you let Muslims into your government,
especially if you promote that as leftists, as
we say in the old country, you will come home
from a very cold carnival. And what will happen?
I love your old country sayings, brother. How
do you say that? I love it. I love it. I kept
that one for you. So, what's going to happen?
These two get into bed together, right? Okay,
they're going to produce a child. I know that's
a terrible metaphor, but they're in bed together
for one thing, and that is to stop anybody from
Christianity. So, that's a big, that's a very
macro thing. I mean, no, yeah, it's a macro thing.
It's big and high level. But here's the thing
with so insane about it. I always heard someone
say, when you're in sin, you're insane. You never
think right. And when you're swimming in those
waters, that to get rid of Christianity, And
to get rid of the impact of Christianity in your
nation, which is without doubt, we have the receipts.
It's documented. It is the foundations of your
nation. But when you find two groups that are
aligned in that ideal of getting rid of those
foundations and building a brand new thing, then
they get in bed together whether they're on the
same side or not, which is so insane. When you
think about people from the radical left who
are pushing LGBTQ, add all the letters and numbers
you can, and then pushing rights, gay rights,
all these different things, all these different,
and they're diametrically and religiously and
morally opposite of the people they're getting
in bed with. How do they think this is going
to end? They get together, let's say they push
the boulder over the top of the hill and they
win. What's going to happen? When Sharia law
is the law, you think they're going to be kind
to those groups? Come on. Here's an actual example.
And it's an alliance of convenience. So, for
example, we just saw Mamdami with the gay flag
and all that sort of thing. And maybe you're
familiar with this story. I think it's in Hamtramck,
Michigan. I've heard of it. The guy that got
elected, yep. Yeah, where basically, last I heard,
the city council is Muslim majority. Yeah. And
it was the left that went out of their way to
bring them in and empower them and represent
them. And once they became the majority city
of the city council, they canceled gay pride.
Yeah, first thing. First thing, right? So again...
So then all the progressives felt betrayed. Yes.
Well, but they're idiots because of course, I
mean, that is Islam. Islam's not on your side,
but they're both helping each other because their
true enemy is the Christian body, is really Christianity.
But the media doesn't show it that way. Nobody's
going to discuss it that way. But that's why
you can get two diametrically opposed forces
who are working in cahoots, because what they
really hate is us. There it is. Boom, there it
is. We got a lot of work to do. And then Ibrahim
says something very interesting in this last
clip. And this is why Islam is such a problem
in the secular West, because you have to fight
fire with fire. Muslims are believers. They believe
in God. They believe in doing right works. I
know a lot of the works isn't bad. A lot of it
is considered. It's not like everything they
do is evil. People sometimes have that idea.
So in order to get to a Muslim, you have to fight
fire with fire, which means you're not going
to supplant to their religion by telling them
about secularism and human rights. You have to
actually talk to them about something like Christianity.
That will resonate. I used to watch, his name
was Father Zechariah Botros, he was a priest
and his shows are all in Arabic and he was one
of the most hated priests in the Islamic world
because he would actually, a lot of Muslims would
convert because he would get into the Quran and
the Hadith and talk about the Bible and he was
a polemicist. What he did work because he was
fighting fire with fire. He was going against
a religion with a religion, going against the
holy book with a holy book, going against the
God with a God. And I think that's what you definitely
need to do. This is why when Muslims, it's amazing
if you look at Muslims in the West, the problematic
ones are the ones who have been born there two,
three, four generations. It's not the guy that
just came over. Isn't that weird? And that's
because I believe Western culture, the more hedonistic
and nihilistic it becomes, the more it pushes
them back to something, to some kind of faith,
because Islam is better than that. Believe it
or not. And I think that's because they are,
there's a lot of good Muslims who are searching
for the truth. And that's why these stories you're
talking about, Christ appearing to them, they're
just everywhere. And they, you know, cross cultures,
cross, it's not, it's like a, it's a real phenomenon.
It's not something that just, you know, it's
happening in one area. Happens in Africa and
Iran and Asia. So I do believe that's real. Isn't
that interesting? It's not necessarily the newcomers.
It's not necessarily the immigrants. It's the
ones who have been here for 20 years, see this
country, our country, going down a dark road
and they're looking for some faith. They're looking
for something different. No, we're not interested.
For truth. Truth, exactly. Can I bring this story
up again? It was a lady we ran into, Annette
and I, when we were traveling, and we were actually
over in San Antonio. We ran into this lady. She's
selling us the cologne, okay? I won't go through
the whole story. I already told the story. But
here's the thing. What he said just resonated
with me because we do not know if she was Muslim
or not. She's from Iran. She's been here in America.
Her family's still there in Iran, and they're
under horrific oppression. But she never said
whether she was Muslim, Christian, or none of
the above. But I would venture a guess, probably
a practicing Muslim, but don't know that for
sure. She was very clear, very clear that she
needed peace. And when she said that, I really
believe that the Holy Spirit dropped this into
me because it just came to me before I even could
get it processed. Prince of peace. And so I said
to her, I said, could we pray for you? because
we know the Prince of Peace. And I think you
need the Prince of Peace right now because that's
what she said. I need peace. I have no peace.
When I said it, it resonated with her and she
teared up immediately. She just tears filled
her eyes, the big crocodile tears. And I said,
could we pray for you? And she said, yes, please.
Now we prayed for her. She didn't respond, didn't
react. I didn't go into a full -blown Billy Graham
oriented gospel presentation. Not pushing her
over backwards in the department store. I see
that hand. The buses will wait. None of that.
It was just, it was a moment. And it was a moment
where I felt like it was a seed being planted.
When she opened her eyes, because she did bow
her head with us, she had tears running down
her face. And then after she finished her little
thing there at the cash register, she comes out
from behind the, you know, she, they're in those
bays, you know, they're in those cosmetic bays,
you know, these stores. She comes all the way.
I didn't know where she was going. She's walking
off, but she was coming out and she walked over
to Annette and hugged her. Then she walked over
to me and hugged me and said, thank you. Thank
you. And that's, that's it. Our job. is to plant
the seed. I mean, again, new Christian, amateur
theologian, I don't think we're supposed to go
up to people and say, no, but I'm gonna, you
gotta get right with God. This is what it is.
Turn or burn. Turn or burn. Get right or get
left. Our job is to plant the seed. Yes, and
God makes it grow so come on brother. We don't
have I mean this is scripture You know it's like
yes, I just read my Bible like oh, I'm not supposed
to stand there till the person says all right
I'm ready to be baptized no this isn't a sale
where we're trying to close the deal, and we're
sowing seeds and trusting God And to bring it
around to your message, now this is a pastor
that we both know personally, Pastor Darren Tyler
from Conduit Church in Tennessee. He was actually
on with Howardton. I think Howardton is in this
briefly. But knowing Pastor Darren, I can never
get Pastor Darren on the phone. He's actually
a Godcaster customer. We can never get him on
the phone because I'm in Mozambique. I'm in the
jungle. I'm in Haiti. He's everywhere. I'm in
South Korea today. Sorry, can't talk. His church
does a lot of mission work. That's his life,
man. He loves doing mission work. For sure. the
Josh, Pastor Howerton churches also has a big
mission component to it. I'm not sure I think
so. And so this is Pastor Darren Tyler and he
just brings it all the way around. If you've
got a Muslim next door, you don't have to be
scared of them. Because I would say one of the
things we're, what we're doing as a church is
saying that look, the government should absolutely
be protecting us. That is the government's job.
I have no problem with them protecting us. But
you cannot bomb an ideology out of somebody.
Boom. You can, however, gospel it out. And so
while the government's doing their job, the church
has got, we've got to step up our game. And I
say that saying that I spent all my time in these
other nations and realizing, you know, the United
States actually is a nation. You know, Jesus
didn't say go into all the nations from Washington.
He said in Jerusalem and so in our own nation
as churches. This is a cancer. I've seen it in
Africa. The Islamic tide rolling from north into
all the way down to Mozambique, it's a cancer.
Whether it's Dearborn, Michigan, Plano, Texas,
Minneapolis, Minnesota, and now New York, this
is a real thing on our shores. As a church, we've
got to be very purposeful. in training, equipping,
number one, our own people from falling into
Islam. That's coming. But also, how do we win
and love our Muslim neighbors? Tell them the
truth, but lead them to Jesus because that's
the ultimate. I mean, there's, you guys have
heard the stories. I've actually met people.
They've had the dream of the man in white, you
know, Jesus. We got those people in our church.
Yes. Yeah. I first encountered it 12 years ago.
I'm like, whoa, tell me about this, man. It was
a guy in North Africa. And it's proliferated.
So Jesus is coming for the Muslims in all the
best ways. And we can be a part of that and at
the same time be very politically savvy to know
that whether it's in elections, local, state,
city, we can't look the other way. Even if you're
not, quote unquote, radical Islamist. You are
now, we talk about this right, like if we, the
Christians, don't step into political offices,
then the godless will, that also includes Islamists.
Dude, it's not just Adam and Pastor Jimmy in
Little Fredericksburg, Texas. You know, this
is, pastors are talking about, not all of them,
but this is being discussed and I'm so encouraged
by hearing this from them. Me too, me too. And
Darren would know, like you said, he does travel
the world. I mean, he didn't even want to be
a pastor. He literally was like, I am a missionary.
Was he in the A &R department at a music company?
Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. He's been in the music industry
in Nashville for years. And here he is going
on these mission trips and he's a group of people
that he kept taking on these trips or sitting
around. I mean, basically one of them said, he's
like, I don't want to be a pastor. They're like,
we should, we should be a church. And he's like,
I don't want to be. pastor. And then the lady's
like, uh, I think you already are, you know,
look around. So that's kind of how that church
was started. It was out of a missionary heart.
So he's traveled the world and he is seen from
the inside out the very things we're talking
about. So when I hear somebody like Darren or,
or the other guy that was with Josh Powerton
say, this is what it's going to take. And I love
just the saying, using the word, gospelized.
You can't bomb it out of them, but you can gospelize
it out of them. Can I share something here as
we sort of land? And I know, man, I can't wait
to thank our folks that are listening and whatnot,
but I feel like this will be an encouragement
to our people. And it really, I think, puts an
exclamation point on what we're talking about.
So last night at the close of the sessions, Erica
Kirk was brought onto the platform. It was in
a interview style. She walks out on the platform.
Of course, everyone's cheering for her because
this is a TPUSA event, right? And she is just,
she's humbled. She's got tears in her eyes. She's
standing there posturing almost like a 10 -year
-old girl. Like, I'm almost embarrassed to be
here. It was amazing. And then she sat down and
there was a little interview moment where she
was asked some pointy questions about how she's
doing and whatnot. And I got to tell you something,
there is so much hate and vitriol for her out
there from some psychopath podcasters and others.
And to me, it's one of those confirmations of
when you're truly over the target, eventually
you become the target. And she's that. And this
organization represents that. We've met so many
wonderful people here. So she was sharing and
talking about the mission. And here she is, her
husband was murdered in front of thousands of
people and video wise, millions saw this video
of her husband being killed simply for stepping
onto a college campus and allowing young people
to ask him hard questions. And he was as much
a listener as he was a talker. They usually don't
show that in videos, but actually, I mean, he
would literally, he had a physical move that
he did when he was talking to somebody, he would
lay his mic down. And it's something he did on
purpose to posture for those young people coming
up to the microphone to say, I'm listening to
you. I'm not just trying to get a response. He
set his microphone down. I don't know if you
ever noticed that, but she talked about that
was intentional on his part because he wanted
them to be heard before he rebutted or spoke
to them. That's why young people actually flock
to him on that because he really was listening.
So she talks about that, but then she talks about
how it has been since her husband was murdered.
And you would think a country would come around
her and she stood before the nation at his funeral
and forgave the young man who killed him, which
was like a shockwave going throughout the nation.
For a moment there, there was unity in our country,
for a moment. And then propagandists and opportunists
jumped on a bandwagon to vilify her and get their
podcast built up to massive, epic scale and it
worked. But what it's done, it's left a family
in shards and who cares, right? As long as my
podcast gets millions of hits, I've done my job.
That's my objective. Forget who's left in the
wake of that. So she shared, she didn't go into
deep anything about hatred or anger or anything.
She just talked about the fact that what all
of this has confirmed for her in her mission
is to continue to carry the torch, to not step
down, to not back up. She said, as a mother,
the thing I would have loved to have done, and
Riley Gaines was here saying some similar things
as well. Both of them, as mothers, we want nothing
more than to isolate ourselves in our homes and
protect our children. Raleigh Gaines just had
her first baby. Erica and Charlie have two children.
And they said, they both said it in different
sessions, as moms, all we want to do is stay
home, take care and protect our kid. But they
both said, but as followers of Jesus, we want
to be on mission with him. And even if it means
laying our lives down, we will do it. And so,
I wrote this daily, did you have something? You
started to say something. No, go ahead, go ahead.
Okay. I wrote a daily grind day, just really
moved by this. It's Philippians chapter one,
verse 21, when Paul is talking about the cost
of following Jesus. And he says this, for to
me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. He
actually goes on to say in the verses after that,
I would rather die and be with Jesus. But for
your sakes I will stay here and continue the
the mission. So I called it truth without compromise
The Apostle was getting real about the cost of
his mission to preach the message of Jesus to
cities and villages that hated him for it Truth
-tellers are rarely welcomed by those living
in darkness Paul understood that he could lose
his life for Christ We were recently in a meeting
with the widow of a martyr last night and she
too Had been targeted by evil like Paul. She
is willing to pay the price Are you willing to
die for the cause of Christ and the mission of
telling the world about his mercy grace and forgiveness?
Are you willing to lay down your life to be a
truth -teller without compromise? And then I
wrote this this little activation piece today
count the cost Would you continue to stand when
demonic driven forces line up against you? Will
you stand in courage or bow in fear? And then
I gave a prayer at the end of that and maybe
I'll just save that for the end of the program.
Yes, I'd like you to do that. And before we thank
people who've supported us so graciously today.
So what's the word I'm looking for? I can't think
of the word. I'm just blown away by it. The people
may be listening to us, Pastor Jimmy, and thinking,
yeah, that's easy. If you're Charlie Kirk, if
you're Erica Kirk, I'm not that. I'm not the
Apostle Paul. Can I do this? How do I do this?
I went looking for people who are taking this
to heart. And this is a dude. Lorenzo on YouTube,
a dude Lorenzo on YouTube. Now I'm only going
to play two of the clips. I had a whole bunch
of them. But here's how he approached it. So
guys, we are in Deborn, Michigan, which has the
highest population of Muslims in America. And
we are at the Islamic Society mosque. There's
a Greek Orthodox church right next to it on the
altar road, which I think is just, it's just,
it's, it's not coincidence. So Yeah, we're out
here in Deborn. We're going to be out here for
a few hours. Our goal is not to bring controversy.
We're not here to argue. We're not here to tell
people that Islam is demonic or wrong, even though
it is. But we're here to actually spread the
gospel of Jesus Christ. I've noticed over the
years of evangelism that when you witness to
a Muslim and you come with debating or you come
with you're wrong and I'm right, not always is
it fruitful. By the way, it's Ramadan. So we
came during Ramadan. Well, I want Muslims. to
hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, so they can
at least say they heard it, whether they receive
it or not. I believe seeds are going to be planted.
If God wants to move and he wants someone to
get saved or baptized, that's on him. I don't
know where we baptize people because it's cold.
But if God wants it to be done, a way will be
made. But we're just out here in faith with the
love of Jesus, with the truth of the gospel and
preaching repentance and remission of sins. And
I believe that people will be receptive, receive
prayer. during a month where they're fasting
and worshipping their deity, their God. So he
just went around. He was going into bars, into
restaurants, and actually I'll play too. So he
meets this... I'm in no rush. Okay. Let me see.
What is this? Let me check and see if this is
short. Excuse me, sir. Excuse me. We're doing
a YouTube documentary for social media. And I
know it's Ramadan, are you Muslim? No, yeah,
I know, I'm sorry. Maybe like a few questions?
Thank you. Okay. Okay, God bless. Alright. Would
you guys want to do an interview? No. Everyone
that we've been asking for an interview is very
closed off. It's because people are defensive.
A few months ago, some Christians came out here
and sparked a big old riot, burning Qurans and
sitting in the streets. And it caused a lot of
division. It caused the people of this city to
just really put their guard up into defense mode.
That's why we're out here trying to do something
different. And I believe this video is gonna
really just show Muslims that not every Christian
is out here trying to come at you like you're
crazy or treat you like a demon. We're actually
here to preach the truth, man. That's the goal.
See, this is important. This is... That's the
wrong approach. You know, to go out there and
burn Qurans and throw bacon around and, you know,
it's awful. And, you know, people mean well,
but that is not the way to go. I just love what
this guy is doing. So now he walks into a restaurant.
Where are you from? I'm from Palestine, I'm from
Jordan. Okay, that's cool. You were born over
there? I was born here in Detroit. Okay, so I
want to ask questions like why do you believe
in Islam? I was raised with it, but I'm really
appreciative of the fact and the aspect of the
religion that there is one God. Have you ever
had an experience like a spiritual supernatural
like something experiential with Allah like where
you experience God in a way where you're like
oh my goodness that was that was you know God
that was him or Is it kind of like you pray and
you believe you have faith but you haven't had
that experience yet? To be honest, I find the
opposite. I find it really hard sometimes to
appreciate and stay faithful in religion at times.
I haven't had an experience like that. But I
think it's really comforting and really Really
amazing that in this world it feels good to feel
like a God is there for us And I think yeah,
and I have faith and I think it brings us really
a lot of comfort That's I love your honesty by
the way. That's really commendable. This is this
is like the Paul playbook exactly, I was thinking
that as she's sharing that like yeah, I know
there's something out there, but God So on point
and she finds it comforting that there's a God
so she has all the right elements now He goes
into his testimony, which I'm not gonna play
but it's you know He's talking about how he got
into drugs into alternative You know crystals
and tarot cards and everything, but then he had
an experience He had an experience with God and
that's what got her interest Because she said
herself, you know, I've never had that experience
I've read about it and I've read your poets,
you know, your poets tell you this And then this
is how he kind of he kind of nails it down again.
He's just planting a seed He's not telling her
what to do. We can't know god unless we experience
him and like for me in my 20s I was just like
I couldn't I couldn't bow down to a god or a
religion unless I had experience and I was very
like Just like, I'm not gonna do it. Like, I'm
not gonna go to... I tell my mom, like, Mom,
I love you, but I'm not gonna go to church. Like,
I haven't experienced Jesus. Like, I haven't.
And I was just like, I love my mom, I honor my
mom, and there'd be times where she would be
like, hey, come to church, and I'd go just for
her. You know what I'm saying? Like, on holidays
and whatever. But I didn't take it serious. Like,
because I didn't have experience. It's like,
imagine this, right? Are you married yet? So
I'm married, right, with four kids. Imagine if
I tell you, what's your name? Alma I said Alma
I'm married to my wife for ten years I'm so in
love with her and I could tell you every detail
about her And then you say where's yeah, and
I say I've never met her I've never met her in
person. I've only read about her, but I've never
met my wife, but I'm so in love with her Would
you believe that I'm in love with a woman? I've
never met I Believe that you're in love with
the idea of her And that's what a lot of people
do not just in Wow. Christianity and just religion.
Religion is being in love with the idea that
God might be true, but not having experiential
knowledge. And that's where it gets scary because
like, if we convince ourselves enough to just
believe in an idea, it could become deception.
And then we could be fighting for something that
we don't even know is true. And there it is.
He's not Charlie Kirk. He's not Erica Kirk. He's
not a pastor. these just out there planting seeds.
And he even says, bam, there it is. There it
is. Wow. I'm like, so anybody can do this. And
that's what I, and I want to hone my own skills
at this too. Yes. That was phenomenal. If I see
someone walking on the street or if I see someone
in a hijab or whatever, some bearded dude in
Fredericksburg, I want to be like, hey man, how
you doing? That's it. But it's scary for people.
People are afraid, and that's the part we have
to get over. So good, Adam. Thanks for playing
that. That is the heart behind even what I said.
The thing is, is we cannot be fearful. When we
approach people, I always like to ask a question.
When I hear somebody and they've got a different
accent, I just say, accent is beautiful. Where
are you from? That right there is so disarming
for people because people who are from the East,
they're kind of used to, they've got their guard
up just like they were there, you know, where
he was. And they even said, you know, he even
said people here have their guard up, you know,
because of some bad things that happened. And
so people have their guard up naturally. But
when you approach them with just a genuine compliment,
because I think accents are amazing. I sound
like a hick from West Texas, but everything else
is just beautiful. I love it. But when you approach
somebody, complimenting them on something that's
genuine, they'll know you're genuine. And Annette
and I, that's our heart. We want to be genuine
when we approach people. And so for example,
with that lady, I just, I love your accent. There
was another time, another department store, same
thing. Where are you from? And she bowed her
head and she was afraid to say it. And she said,
Afghanistan. And we said, we love the people
of Afghanistan. I mean, that just shocks people
because they're not used. to two white people
from America who are definitely Texans. That's
the way in. We love your people because that's
the thing. We love your people, but we reject
your religion. I wouldn't say that out loud.
That's obviously the rhetorical thought, but
I'm not there to make an enemy. I'm there to
win a friend and introduce them to the best thing
that'll ever happen to them. And that is the
Prince of Peace. And for the men listening, this
is my last one. Brother, I'm sorry. I went all
out on this. I was so excited to share this.
No, I'm loving this. So now he's on the street.
He meets a couple of dudes and listen to what
happens here. And this is for men, men in particular,
certainly older men, mature men. Old guys like
us, what we have to be on the lookout for in
the younger men in our towns, in our cities,
in our schools, everywhere. So may I ask y 'all
a question? What y 'all think the purpose of
life is? Like, what are we doing here on this
planet? To be successful. Have our kids learn,
you feel me? Always be a student and stuff. You
would never know what's new to you, you feel
me? That's real. And like would you say bro,
like you have a religion, like you believe in
something? Yeah, I'm Christian. You're Christian?
Yeah. You know there's a 55 % Muslim, right?
You know it's Ramadan too. Are you Christian
too? He says he wants to be Muslim. Why? Not
because of doctrine, because of community. Because
what he sees in Islam looks peaceful and connected.
And this is a hard check for the American church.
We preach at people, but we don't love them well.
We give them theology, but not brotherhood and
community. Young men are hungry for family and
for the truth. If we don't give them the family
of God, they'll look for it anywhere else. And
that's not their failure, that's our failure.
You need to repent. Dude. Wow. This is why our
men's breakfast is important. Bring young men
to it. Bring not just your sons, your grandsons,
bring their friends. You know, community. That's
all people are always looking for. They're just
looking for community and to belong to something.
And yeah, if Islam is standing there like, hey
brother, come on in. You can be a part of our
community. And we're not there. Wow. Well, there
you go. There it is. That is it. I just shared
with Pastor Brian, we had a great conversation
last week and I brought him something that I
had read from a guy who's sort of a church doctor.
He diagnoses churches. He goes in and he said
the number one thing he said, preacher, people
do not come to hear you preach anymore. Those
days are gone. They come for community. Yes.
That's it. You'll touch them with your sermons.
You'll disciple. You'll help them. But at the
end of the day, they don't come and stay for
you. They come and stay for community. And that's
the way Tina and I feel about our church too.
Me too. And I'm the pastor. I'm the preacher.
It's our clubhouse, man. It's cool. There's always
something going on. It's our family. You'll hear
me very often from the pulpit. I don't hear a
lot of preachers do this. And some would even
say, don't do this. But I tell our church, I'm
not just the pastor here. That's my role that
God designated. I'm a member of this community.
I'm a member of this church. I'm in it with you.
We're learning together. We're learning to navigate.
conflict. We're learning to navigate weird aunts
and uncles in our family. We're learning to navigate
mistakes and have grace for one another. And
I'm in it with you. And I just want people to
never want to be that pastor who's like the man
of God, just the untouchable, unreachable. I
can't function like that. And first of all, I
can't live up to that. I'm a person who has the
same temptations, the same issues, the same stuff
anybody else has. It's just, I'm in a different
role. But at the end of the day, I'm a member
of this community and that is what brings me
life. It's not preaching. I love to preach, love
to play on the worship team. I love those are
fun things for me, but what really brings me
life honestly are the conversations that happen
before church starts and then in the meetup after
church. I live for that. The meetup in the middle.
Yeah, we have two meetups after each service
and I'm with people for seven hours on Sunday
morning and I never turn it off because I love
being with my community. We have quite a community
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Love that. Adam and Jimmy, you're all a great
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I just wish it were either more frequent or longer.
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He sent us four beautifully handmade crosses.
And he has a note here. And I sent you a picture
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Oh, thanks. I'll find a place for it, brother.
So thank you all so much for supporting. We get
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Can you believe it? Yeah, 46 episodes in. We
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Tina's like, this is a mistake. You got to do
a one -year anniversary and a birthday donation.
Okay. Wow, that's cool. That's the no agenda
way. I didn't realize that. Yeah, I didn't realize
it. Anyway, brother, thank you so much for delaying
the last few hours of the conference. If you
could just close us out in some prayer, that'd
be wonderful. Yeah, yeah. I'm just going to start
with a prayer that I prayed at the end of the
daily grind. because it really is, it's one of
those draw a line in the sand kind of things.
And it simply goes like this, Father, I choose
to be a truth teller, no matter the cost. Jesus
died for me. The least I can do is live for him.
And if need, lay down my earthly tent for his
glory in Jesus' name. Amen, amen And with that
we will be back next week with another episode
of we get to do this. Thank you, brother