Father, what a privilege it is to be together
today to share, to catch up, to talk about what's
been going on, not just in this world, but in
our own hearts as well. We pray for our listeners
today, our friends, people that are part of the
get -to nation. We pray for them, Lord, and we
pray for their hearts as well. Lord, the world
is assaulting their hearts and trying to grab
their attention for everything like a dumpster
fire. So, Lord, we pray for the peace that passes
all understanding to guard and garrison our hearts
and our minds in Christ Jesus, in Jesus' name.
Amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, August 12th, 2026.
We get to do this. This is episode number 45.
we get to do this oh yeah we do hello brother
welcome back thank you do you notice now when
we see each other and we're we're getting set
ready for the show that we're kind of not really
talking Absolutely. Absolutely. I got stuff to
say. Save it. I don't want anything to roll out
before the show. Don't say anything. I know.
I love it. And I want to say hello to everyone
coming in from No Agenda, those who are believers,
those who are coming back to their faith. The
Christ Curious. Ooh, I like that. Yeah, this
hit me this morning. Nice spin. Holy Spirit gave
me Christ Curious. Ooh, jot that down. That's
good. Yeah. Oh, man. What a week it's been. You've
had a week. You've been on an adventure and it's
heavy lifting. It has been. So we went to San
Francisco, this is for John C. Dvorak's memorial.
We got in Friday, the memorial's on Saturday.
So really like for 24 hours, I'm just, because
I was going to speak, I was asked to say something,
so I'm kind of all keyed up about that. Seeing
the family, people came in from the Netherlands,
from Tokyo, from all over the country just to
be there. From Tennessee. Patrick Cobol from
Tennessee, from Los Angeles, just from everywhere.
There were people there who I'd only heard of
because I know their names from the old Osborne
computer days, from the old DOS. PC telecommunications
days, you know that because John had written
I don't like 36 books or something so he had
a lot of you know, a lot of that going on but
really the things that were great is that Everybody
well two things everybody Had a story about how
he had helped them in their career one way or
another Everybody agreed completely on his gruffness
and his lack of seeming human candor. But the
thing that really struck me, and one guy who
would work with John on the book side had mentioned
it, and I knew this inherently, is that his criticism,
which you could see as like, just like, man,
you're such a, you're mean. Why are you saying
this to me? you know, his criticism of technology,
like, you know, there's no evidence anybody wants
to use a mouse. The Apple watch is no good. He
really, and of course at the time when he said
these things, they were true. He's, you know,
excoriated me for things that I've done or said.
He really only was doing that to make things
better, to make people do better, to have tech
companies do better. And I knew that, but you
know, have someone actually say it. I'm like,
Yeah. Wow. That is true. Cause he could have
been extremely wealthy consulting, working for
companies, but instead he just drove people to
do better because he thought that it was not
good enough. Wow. And that was, that was really
nice. Yeah. His line, that's no good. I mean,
that's, that's classic John Dvorak. I love it.
weight dropped off of me, I would say, and just
being with the family, you know, we had to figure,
we had to go to the bank and sit there for three
hours to avoid probates. It's not, you know,
people get your affairs in order. It really sucks
for people after the fact to go and fix stuff.
That's heavy lifting. That's emotional. It was
heavy lifting because too, you're feeling the
weight of all the folks that are coming. I mean,
anytime we come to a celebration of life, you
know, memorial service or a funeral, it's heavy
lifting because there's just weight in the room.
You know, people are grieving, people are going
through that. But there's also the celebration
of life side where you get to tell the funny
things and the good things. It's life giving
too. So it's all that's hitting you at the same
time. So it is heavy lifting. And there were
comedians there, myself. kind of included, I'll
just add myself a little bit. But, you know,
he had a lot of comedian friends, his wife Mimi,
she came from the comedy world. I didn't know
that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She worked early on with
Robin Williams, a lot of the greats. And so there
were some funny people. You see, you know, some
78 year old guy getting up there and all of a
sudden he's doing shtick. It's like, oh, wow.
Okay. A pro, an old pro. Old pros. That's cool.
Yeah. So it was, The thing that was kind of interesting
is, you know, so all these people were speaking
in this beautiful chapel, this 100 -year -old
chapel in Oakland, just beautiful stained glass,
wooden pews, not really big. And, you know, as
I was talking just in general about how I got
at the end of my speech, how I got saved and
how John just thought that would be great for
the show. And I'm like, I just want to pray over
everybody here. And because no one mentioned
God, no one was doing any of that. And what came
out of my mouth was kind of interesting because
I said, let's bow our heads. This is interesting.
When you say that, almost everyone's head went
down. Yeah, they do. Out of respect. But it was
like Pavlovian almost. It's like it's built into
their system. I was like, oh, wow. OK. And then
I just prayed for everyone to be lifted up. Beautiful.
And that kind of ended the era. And now we move
on to the new season, which, of course, a big
part of that is we get to do this, brother. And
we do get to do this. I am so excited. I'm so
excited. I say it 50 times a day, not because
it's a podcast title. It's just innate. It's
in me. I can't. I'm so grateful. When you live
a grateful life, Things like living up in a down
world. I'm living up in a down world. I get to
do this These things become natural for you.
Yeah, but also neurologically they drive something
into you Oh, yeah, and they build upon and over
time it becomes your whole perception and perspective
To where now you're saying it to people who are
going. Oh, I've never thought of that before
Yeah, I mean cuz I never heard it before. Yeah,
we do this right our whole staff says it I mean
it's hilarious for me to hear it coming back.
Cause I know it's getting in the culture. I get,
you know, recordings and clips from people of
someone else just saying, you know, well, you
know, we really get to do this and like, Oh,
I caught it. I caught it. So it's kind of out
there now when last week you had not yet gone
to the first of your two meets. MEAT ups for
healing humanity. So I want to hear how they
went. It was Dallas and Austin, right? Dallas
and Austin. We drove to Austin, flew to Dallas,
man. Favor all along the way. You know, you and
I, when we travel, we always pray for each other
for travel favor and grace. You know, just open
doors. And we always pray for each other for
an awareness of what's happening on the journey
as opposed to just the destination. Yes. Because
to me, traveling is about who you're helping
at the airport. We're bumping into striking a
conversation with absolutely somebody sitting
on a plane or whose luggage you helping stuff
in a bin And it's there's so many opportunities
to light candles. Yeah, you know and just do
good I mean be good do good, you know scripture
says this that you know You don't don't be overcome
by evil but overcome evil with good Yes, and
so while the world waxes darker and worse we
can be good and and we do it from the perspective
of of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Actually,
a fruit of the Spirit is goodness. So we just
do it and we honor God in it. So I love the journey.
I'm like, man, my eyes are wide open the whole
time. It's like, I want more layovers so I can
have more fun on the journey. I have no problem
with layovers, man, because it's like just opportunities
to talk to people and engage. I mean, that's
what we do. And so great trip. Ended up in Dallas.
Man, Dallas is just Dallas, right? I mean, traffic
and all that, but really it wasn't that bad.
I mean, we struck up conversations with everybody
we met, but we didn't do it on purpose. We live
with purpose. So those things happen, I guess,
on purpose, but not because you're just trying
to like, oh, I got to make a conversation here.
It's just, no, I mean, just talk about life and
stuff and laugh. And yeah, we had so much fun
on the journey with everybody. Even the rental
car guy was cool. He was like, man, can I get
you something? Hey, let me go get that car for
you. Let me make sure you get the right car.
Because when you start living this life, it starts
to ooze out of your pores. You don't even know
it. The aroma of Christ is getting there. Before
you do because I mean like you have a very smell
you coming. Well, you have a very Distinctive
cologne that you wear which in a weird twist
of fate my wife got it for me Yeah, no, I said
honey conversations need to be had here. This
is weird. I Smelled me when I came in. No, no,
no, I got the other one. Oh Johnny Depp on it
I'm just a toilet water over here new one the
new scent I can't even pronounce it. But anyway,
so when I put it on, I said, I smell like Adam
Curry. She goes, I love Adam Curry's smell, but
it's weirding me out because I feel like he's
here. He's in my space right now. No way. He's
halfway across the United States. So anyway,
all that to say, sorry, man, I got to tell you.
I'm just laughing all the way to the bank here.
So we get to Dallas and again, just crazy open
door of fun stuff happens. Like meeting Toby.
Did I talk about Toby last week? I talked about
it in the message, but I don't know if I did.
I met Toby, he's the guy who - The checkout guy?
Yeah, I wanted to know if I was a financier.
Yeah, we talked about Toby last time. So yeah,
that's right. Because that was before the meetups,
but after we were there, I was remote last week.
By the way, the production sounded really good.
I'm telling you, man, this stuff works. That
mini pod thing is amazing. Pod mobile. Pod mobile.
So we went to the - We did a VIP dinner, which
is great because it was at a Brazilian steakhouse.
Boy, how appropriate is that? These guys are
coming around with swords and pieces of meat
and slice and food. I've been to one of these
restaurants. Man, it was awesome. But we got
to meet people. Oh, go ahead. Is that the one
where if you want more meat, you put a little
red sticker down and you flip the thing over?
Red and green. Red and green. They just left
mine on green. Easy to overeat in these places.
Man, it was awesome. The people that attended
that, they paid extra to come to that and to
meet the people who were in the movie. So we
were there. So we got to meet people. It was
a meetup. It was like the connect center here
at the church. We're hanging around, just having
fun with people, hearing their stories, not really
telling ours because they're going to need to
see it in the movie, but we get to hear their
stories and just hearing people just what they've
been free from and what they've gotten. Food
addictions that were like deadly. I mean like
killing them kind of things You know three four
or five hundred pounds and somebody losing two
hundred and seventy pounds now This is all done
on carnivore carnivore diet or diet carnivore
and ketobor So the carnivore space seems to have
taken in the keto space as well, because there's
a realization that not everybody can do that.
What is the difference between the two? Carnivore
is basically beef, butter, bacon and eggs, and
drinking electrolytes and water. So it's pretty
like a lion diet thing. So it's pretty basic.
No carbs, all protein and fat. So you begin to
burn fat for fuel, which is amazing, because
that's when you become superhuman and you feel
like you are. So, ketivore is your strongly protein
meat, meat, poultry, fish, strongly like 80%.
But then you also like salad or you enjoy healthy,
clean other kinds of food, avocados. Can you
have a potato? No, no potato. Potato is no good.
In the words of John DeVorek, that's no good.
It's no good. So no, potatoes are bad. They're
starch, so it's pure sugar when it hits your
system. So all these people doing this together
is really cool. There was like 225 people. They
sold out that theater, small theater and downtown,
old downtown grapevine, which is a real cool
little drag. It's neat and sold it out. So man,
it was a great spirit in the house. We watched
the movie, man, I cried again just over, cause
I know some of these people that have gone through
some hard stuff and they're doing well and one
not so well, but At the end of it, they brought
us up on the platform because it was an old movie
theater with a stage, so they brought us up there.
Annette and I and Ashley Rogers, who's one of
the Carnivore brothers, and Carey Mann, who has
Homestead Howl, that's his channel. He's the
founder. He's the one who had the vision. A YouTuber,
he says, man, I'm just a YouTuber who barely
graduated from high school and I felt like I
was supposed to make a movie. He said, I had
no idea what I was getting into. So they produce
this movie. They've got over 400 hours of footage.
That's a lot. Beyond the movie. That's a lot.
So they're going to do a YouTube series and roll
these stories out just so people can see their
stories. Good. So we got up there and we did
Q &A. They'd given everybody cards. They were
writing down their questions during the movie.
And man, they're firing them right and left at
us when we get up there. And it was so fun. And
I got to talk about the Lord. over and over.
This is what I appreciate about Carryman. They
introduced me in Annette as Pastor Jimmy in Annette.
That's all they ever call us. Right. And what
that's done, we're sort of the unofficial chaplains,
pastors of the carnivore space. And it's not
that we tried to do it, we just showed up and
we were just who we were. So how do you connect
the carnivore, ketovore, audience with faith.
I can think of a lot of them. How did you do
that? The way I do it, I talk about mind, body,
and spirit that were three parts as a person.
And everybody's cool about stewarding their mental
health. And then a lot of people are good about
stewarding their spiritual health, but we're
not good about stewarding our physical health.
And so I describe it as a three -legged stool.
If you have three legs, one is spirit, one mind,
one body, and then you cut off any one of those
three inches, you have a dysfunctional stool.
Many of us have a dysfunctional life because
we are not balanced in those things. We're not
stewarding them well. So that's my step into
that. That's my spiel, if you will, into that.
And it makes sense with people. They're like,
yeah, I could see that. So we just talk about
it matter of faculty and the fact that they introduce
us as pastors, that's kind of green light go.
People are going to expect it. So I met Froda
from Finland, And he said, man, he said, I'm
noticing that in this area of health, most people
are Christians. And I said, well, I said, it's
a good observation. I said, I think it's because
what we're doing here, we're not trying to make
money. We're just trying to help people. So that's
going to attract people who are generally have
a good moral compass. And that's going to be
probably more than likely, mostly. Christians,
but others too, that are just good people that
want to help others, you know, get whole, get
healed. And he loved it. He said, well, I know
there's evil because I think, I think there's
a very real evil that creates. Oh, always the
first step, man. That's perfect. Naomi Wolf,
Adam C. Curry right there, man. It was a setup.
And I said, yeah, because man, if there's, if
there's evil that's causing people to eat bad
and it's killing them, you know, trashing their
health, then there's got to be good. And he said,
yeah, I mean, it was a great conversation with
Froda. And he had a very thick accent. Oh, yeah.
The fins, for sure. Yeah. He was neat, though.
Gosh, we met a guy in the tech world from San
Diego. No, San Francisco. San Diego. He's San
Diego. Met another guy. And all these guys came
up to us after it was over with, and either wanted
to talk about our faith, the connection of faith
and health, or health. They wanted practical
things. So we got there at 5 PM for the dinner.
We left at 1130 p .m. Because not only did we
close the theater down we stood outside for another
hour an hour and a half talking to people who
didn't want to leave I love that because they
were learning and growing and we were just connecting
so that happened twice it happened once in Dallas
then we got back on the plane flew to Austin
did it again the next night love that five o
'clock that night till 1130 so Like the Holy
Spirit is moving around this topic And as you're
out there, and I'm always looking for, you know,
topics for the show, you know, we always try
to hit things that are happening in culture.
How does that fit in with our world, with our
worldview? 60 Minutes has this entire piece about
food. And wow, I mean, I had to bring a couple
clips and I have some thoughts about how we can
look at this. I'll just kick it off with their
beginning because the stuff you hear from this
and a guy named Kessler used to be the FDA administrator
and RFK Jr., they're both in this piece and I
pulled some clips for us. Today, an increasing
number of Americans across the political spectrum,
from Make America Healthy Again activists to
everyday shoppers, are voicing concern about
the health impact of ultra -processed foods,
those boxed and wrapped in plastic ready -to
-eat items lining grocery store shelves. Leading
the charge are two men who disagree on pretty
much everything else about public health. Health
and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy
Jr. and Dr. David Kessler, the former commissioner
of the U .S. Food and Drug Administration. The
two men have found common ground over a common
culprit, a 67 -year -old government classification
for substances in our food. It's called GRASS,
or generally recognized as SAFE. Kennedy and
Kessler say it has allowed big food companies
to use ingredients without a full government
safety review and flood the market with ultra
-processed foods that now make up 50 % of our
calories and 60 % of our children's diets. Over
the last 40 years, the United States has been
exposed to something that our biology was never
intended to handle. energy -dense, highly palatable,
rapidly absorbable, ultra -processed foods that
have altered our metabolism and have resulted
in the greatest increase in chronic disease in
our history. Type 2 diabetes, pre -diabetes,
hypertension, abnormal lipids, fatty liver, heart
attacks, stroke. heart failure From our food
from our food. Yay food Boy, the maha effect
man. Well, it's it's amazing because Kessler
Kessler is definitely not on the maha train when
it writes a lot of other things But he is the
guy that went after big tobacco. Oh wow for you
know them purposely making it addictive. David
Kessler was commissioner of the US Food and Drug
Administration during the 1990s when he helped
expose how the tobacco companies manipulated
nicotine levels to hook consumers. I am here
to provide you with actual instances of nicotine
control and manipulation in the tobacco industry.
He was a driving force in bringing tobacco executives
before Congress and turning public attention
to the industry. He's now aiming to do the same
with the food industry. In terms of a public
health crisis, how does this compare with tobacco?
It's as large, if not larger. It's that significant.
The scale of this, this affects everybody. Understand,
not everybody's smoked. Look at the number of
people who consume ultra -processed food. It
touches all of us. Seventy percent of Americans
are either obese or overweight. And it's not
because they got indolent or because we became
lazy or because we suddenly developed giant appetites.
It's because we're being given food that is low
in nutrition. and high in calories and it's making,
it's destroying our health. Yeah, and it's addictive.
Play one more with some stats and then we're
going to talk about some things. We met with
Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. last month after he issued new dietary
guidelines that for the first time advise against
highly processed foods. You have said that these
ultra -processed foods are poisoning us. I think
many Americans would be surprised to hear that.
We're seeing in our population people who are
obscenely obese and at the same time malnourished.
Kennedy says that's largely because we don't
know the health consequences of what we're eating.
Thanks to the grass exemption enacted by Congress
in 1958 that allows food companies to independently
verify the safety of their ingredients with no
government oversight if they are generally recognized
by experts as safe. Pending White House approval,
he intends to close that back door. That loophole
is hijacked by the industry. And it was used
to add thousands upon thousands of new ingredients
into our food supply. In Europe, there's only
400 legal ingredients. This agency does not know
how many ingredients there are in American food.
We do not know. They do not know. The estimates
are between 4 ,000 and 10 ,000. We have no idea
what they are. How do we... know what is safe
to eat. There is no way for any American to know
if a product is safe if it is ultra processed.
That's a lot of stuff we don't know about that's
in our food. So I want to go to the word of God.
And so I started looking stuff up, you know,
what are we supposed to eat? And the right food
is is a is a is in the Bible and metaphor, you
know, food, food for all kinds, you know, not
necessarily sustenance. And the two that obviously
I came up with, Genesis 1, 29, 30, then God said,
look, I think He said like that, look, I have
given you every seed -bearing plant throughout
the earth and all the fruit trees for your food.
And I've given every green plant as food for
all the wild animals, the birds in the sky and
the small animals that scurry along the ground,
everything that has life. And that is what happened.
And then Genesis 9, 3 to 4, we get kind of an
expansion. And this is just me, amateur theologian.
I have given them to you for food, just as I
have given you grain and vegetables. But you
must never eat any meat that still has the lifeblood
in it. So is this telling us to be Ketovor? Yeah,
I know this is a loaded question I'm throwing
at you. It is. Here's the thing. So Jordan Rubin
has done a lot of work on this. He's a Messianic
Jewish guy who nearly died in high school because
of all kinds of health issues. Turns out it was
diet related and took a lot of work to get to
it. It took him years to figure it out before
he finally turned the corner. And he wrote a
book called The Biblio Diet, where he's talking
about these very things. He makes a distinction,
which I would make that same distinction that
Sadly, a lot of the things that are listed on
that list have been genetically modified by the
food industry. It's hard to know if you're eating
really clean foods. For example, an apple today
is basically like a piece of candy. It has been
so modified. Sugarized. It's got dye in the skin.
messed with genetically in order to produce massive,
huge, large, gorgeous apples. Whereas 100 years
ago, when you were eating real apples, real food
that was not modified, hadn't been sprayed with
pesticides, they were small and they weren't
that sweet. Even the term organic is crap. That
rating is... It's literally a marketing ploy.
Exactly. It sounds good, but it doesn't mean
at all that it's straight from an old school
tree. Sadly it doesn't, because the parameters
for calling something organic doesn't mean that
it hasn't been sprayed or messed with. It's a
how much has it been sprayed or messed with.
So you're still getting that stuff. So the safest
thing to do, I mean, if it's even possible, is
to go to a farmer's market where these guys,
but then again, you don't. So he was right. We
don't know. We don't know. One of the things
that is appealing to me as someone who has been
down this, walked in this space for a long time,
is that I want to be able to eat something that
I know has the best chance of being healthy by
the time it gets to my. Which is why we get our
beef from our ranchers and we know them. We've
shaken their hand. We feel good about what they're
doing. They tell us what they are and aren't
doing. That's number one. But you're right about
the greens, you know, vegetables and fruit. You
really don't know. How many recalls have we seen
recently on vegetables and fruit? I mean lettuce
will just give you explosive diarrhea these days.
And what is lettuce anyway contains no nutrients.
It's a medium for all the crap you put on it
that you like. All the sweet stuff. Pineapple,
sugarized strawberries, the stuff we add to it.
So yeah, this goes down the rabbit hole real
quick. And yet these are not conspiracy theories
around food. This is proven, documented. It's
been for years, decades. It has gotten worse.
Should we be doing something about that as believers?
Should we be a means? We need to be okay, so
we go back to stewardship. The word steward simply
means handling God's blessings, God's ways. We
were blessed with a physical body. It's the only
thing we'll have from birth to death is our body,
our physical, our earth suit, if you will. It's
the only thing we'll have. And yet it's one of
the things we treat the worst. We don't get the
sleep we need. Loaded with cortisol from living
stressful lives and not knowing what how to dump
that We we eat what's been handed to us. It's
called SAD the sad diet the standard American
diet It's even called that yeah sad because it
is because it's destroying people's health and
that is documented There's there is no argument
on there's no debate on this by the way because
it's it's we have the receipts and So we have
to be selective and wise about what we're going
to do So going into a restaurant, I eat, I'll
order a steak and I say, do you cook with seed
oils on your steak? Because when they come out
and they're glistening, that's a good chance
that things are bathed in all kinds of stuff.
That's really bad for you. And in my system,
when I'm clicking, which I'm back in full on
carnivore, things are clicking, things are going
good. I'm down to my fighting weight again. I'm
right where I'm supposed to be. Then you add
those terrible ingredients, it'll actually can
make me sick. It'll hurt my stomach because my
stomach's like, what are you doing? You've been
doing so good. And so as Christians, we do need
to be mindful because so much of what we eat,
we're addicted to. Let's just start with sugar.
Man, it's as addictive as cocaine. You've heard
that cliche thrown around. Oreos are as addictive
as cocaine. And the reason why we salivate when
we name these foods off is because we're addicted
to them. Here, listen to this. I have it still.
Oreos are just as addictive as cocaine. That's
true. Actual news report. It's actually true.
There is verifiable documentation on this. So
yes, as believers, I went there a little bit
on Sunday just talking a little about the carnivore
space. I had so many people come to me after
church and they said, pastor, I'm glad you said
that. I really want to get going again. I did
it and then I did not and I feel terrible. I
want to, I want to feel better again. So I'm
counseling and kind of coaching some guys through
that, a couple of guys and then others who've
asked about it. So yeah, stewardship of what
God has given us. I mean, Forget your refrigerator.
Forget that we're talking about food. Forget
big food industry. It's just this. It goes back
to a spiritual issue. Am I willing to choose
obedience over impulse? And much of what we do
in eating is impulse. We're bored. It's your
brain. It's your brain. We're watching a Netflix
series, right? What do we do? I need something.
I need something. You're doom scrolling. You're
doom scrolling. I need something. It's addiction.
There's one other clip, just this last one, just
because you were talking about our food industry,
big food. And I love that 60 Minutes did this.
I'm pretty sure not as many people were exposed
to 60 Minutes. You know, that should be because
let's face it, we got all kinds of stuff going
on in our newsfeed. This I guess I kind of understood
or knew about, but I was surprised to hear about
our food. We met with food author Michael Pollan,
who for decades has been warning about inexpensive
factory -processed food. Granola bars, those
look very healthy. All of these would qualify
as ultra -processed foods, even though they're
very different. This, you know, we have a snack
food, a couple snack foods. Nature Valley? I
would argue because of the number of ingredients
in it. So there's a lot of sugar in here. This
is sold as... Yeah, health food. Paulin commends
Kennedy for shining a light on ultra -processed
foods. He ties their ubiquity to long -standing
federal farm subsidies. Check this out. We subsidize,
as taxpayers, through the farm bill, the least
healthy calories in the diet, most of which goes
to people farming corn and soybeans. What's wrong
with corn and soybeans? When you hear corn and
soy, you think food. This is not corn on the
cob. This is commodity corn. It's not the sweet
corn we eat in the summer? No, you can't eat
it, in fact. It's all starch. Big cobs, you'd
break your teeth on it. And then soy, which is
not in the form we grow it as a commodity, is
not edamame. You can't eat it. These are raw
ingredients for processed foods and animal feed.
So the government is subsidizing crops that are
making us unselfish. Yes, yeah. But in one way
to look at it is we are supporting both sides
in the war on type 2 diabetes We are we're subsidizing
the high fructose corn syrup That's contributing
to causing it and then we're paying for the health
care costs. I mean it makes no sense at all Well,
there you go. I didn't know that you couldn't
eat the corn or the soybeans that are being grown.
I had no idea. One of the reasons, and I started
down this as we were getting closer to 60, we
started with keto, the ketogenic diet. And that's
a clean, clean food diet, as clean as you can
get, right? You do that and you're, again, meat
heavy, protein heavy, but you're lower carb.
So that's the, it's sort of a great step in if
you're wanting to do something. So that's what
we did for five years. That's when we began to
study and learn some of these things and realize
how bad our food supply had gotten. Our doctor
who was very versed in nutrition, Marcy, you
know Marcy. We were going to be traveling to
Paris in 2019. She said, oh, I've got good news.
She knew we were doing ketogenic. In fact, she
was doing it at the time as well. Our own doctor
was doing it and she was losing weight. She looked
amazing. She had energy. She loved it. So we
did it and we saw the same result. She said,
Oh, if you're going to Paris, you can eat the
food there. Yeah, you can eat the bread. She
said, enjoy the food. She said, it's clean. They
don't have all exactly what they said. 400 ingredients
there compared to 4 ,000 plus here. She said,
it's good food. So we went to Paris. We were
there for 10 days. We walked. We on purpose walked
everywhere. We walked the city. 88 miles is what
we logged. on our trackers that week, 88 miles
walked. We ate everything and we had fun and
we enjoyed it. And we lost weight. Now, did you
lose weight because you walked 88 miles? We were
used to, we were used to paddling. I mean, it's
not a big deal for us. We work out, we're active.
So, or because the food was legit there. It's
the same in Italy. It's exactly the same. Now,
They do have other problems in these countries.
Of course. This is one area that I'm happy about.
Very other big... And I hear that it's getting
worse though. I hear that... It's not getting
better. Because the economy and it's easier to
produce these ultra processed foods, it's cheaper.
And they go further, but sadly they're destroying
people's health. So do you... It's like the old...
SDP commercial, you want to pay me now or do
you want to pay me later? And that is why we
got into this space. We all got viscosity breakdown,
man. For sure. Badly. So that's why we got into
it initially is like we wanted to run through
the tape because again, being a pastor, I've
buried so many people before their time. People
that I knew could have had a full long life and
they didn't take care of themselves. People that
were type 2 diabetics drinking, you know, you
know 44 ounce big gulp. Yeah, dr. Pepper. It's
not helping. Yeah. Yeah You brought a clip I
did. Yeah Let me set it up though. Yeah, please
do that. So that's why I'm handing it I appreciate
nice segue. So I appreciate it on Sunday I preach
part two of a message called reborn Ned and I
have been talking and we realized, gosh, we throw
a lot of terms around in the Christian world,
right? Being saved, being lost, you need to get
born again, you hear these terms. And as we were
talking about one day, we were both saying, you
know, most people don't even know what that means.
Yeah, people have come from Catholic backgrounds,
Lutheran, other denominations that don't even
really use that language or lingo, or maybe don't
even have that theological bent or that theological
piece in their theology. So I just said, I'm
going to do a re -series. They're going to be
all re -words, re -born, re -do, re -vives, all
that. So I just started with re -born and I put
together a sermon. I stepped into the pulpit.
I got one point of three points done. Barely
scratched the surface. Barely got the first one
out, the first service. I said, this will be
a two -parter. Then last week I said, this will
be a three -parter. It may even keep going. But
I talked about Nicodemus having this encounter
with Jesus. I used a clip from The Chosen to
demonstrate where Mary says, she's explaining
to Nicodemus because he saw her possessed. He
tried to cast the demons out of her. She had
seven. Couldn't. And the demons in her looked
at him and said, you have no power here. Right.
Boy just rocked his world. Then he sees her in
the marketplace and she's whole, clean, radiant.
And he runs up to her and says, what happened
to you? How did it work? And she said, oh no.
And she's explained. She said, there was a man.
She said, I don't even understand it myself.
But I'll tell you this, I was this way and now
I'm different and in between was him." So Nicodemus
starts going, who is him? Who are you talking
about? And she tells him it was Jesus. Well that
started Nicodemus on a search. Now that's in
the movie The Chosen, plausibility of course,
not detailed in Scripture to that degree. But
in Scripture is detailed more the encounter between
Nicodemus and Jesus. Nicodemus seeks him out.
Nicodemus is a part of the Sanhedrin, that's
the 70, the council that rules Jerusalem. And
he is also a teacher of teacher. Jesus even calls
him a teacher of Israel. High, high ranking Pharisees,
a brilliant man, scholar, and him and Jesus sit
down for a meeting and they go back and forth.
And Jesus tells him, are you a teacher of Israel
and you don't even understand these things? And
he says, this is why I tell you, John 3 .3, you
must be born again. So that's the reborn thing.
So I broke that all down. And wow, people were
like all in. And I just went all Southern Baptist
on my roots. You know that that one scene in
The Chosen, it was after I saw that scene when
I said to Tina, I'm ready to be baptized. Wow,
forgot about that. That's right. We were in bed
that night. I'm like... I'm ready now. I've seen
it. That very scene on the rooftop. That scene
was brilliant because that was actually very
close to scripture. He doesn't quote John 3,
he's saying John 3 .16 as just saying it. And
then it gets quoted because John's over there
writing down fiercely offensive. Down the bottom
in the dark. Yeah, I remember that. He's writing
down these things down. So it was a great scene
there. So yeah, I forgot that that was what prompted
you to take the plunge. So, I broke all that
down and really just came to this point of helping
people understand that you must be born again.
We've got to be born again. What was your original
question? You're setting up the clip. There it
is, the clip. Thank you. Neither of us is going
somewhere with that. So, I decided instead of
fumble around, I'd just ask. Being honest is
good, man. Save some time. All right, because
I got off preaching. So, here it is. So I found
this clip by Josh Howerton. Of course, he was
on the Sean Ryan show, did a three hour interview
with Sean. And it was power. We watched all three
hours. Yeah, I heard it actually. It was powerful.
And Josh just, man, 44 years old, handled himself.
And Sean was great. You know, Sean was in. I
mean, he was, but he asked good questions. Sean
is searching. I mean, he has been searching for
a long time. He does say he's a believer. He's
a Christian. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But he was asking
the hard questions, the questions that most people
are asking, Sean was asking. And so towards the
end of it, they're getting down to it. And then
Sean asked the question, why did Jesus have to
die? Like a real core question of our belief.
And I love the way Josh Howerton, Pastor Josh,
handled it. He said, I'm glad you asked. That's
one of my favorite questions to answer. He said,
but I'm going to answer it with a story. So he
tells the story why did Jesus have to die on
the cross? Yeah, why did he have to do it? I'm
missing his God's son. He's God's only son. Why
didn't God make another son? Mm -hmm. We got
a lot of questions there. I mean, I just don't
it's I Don't fully understand why it had to happen
if he is God Why couldn't you just forgive exactly?
Yeah Man, that's like my favorite question to
answer ever, all right? So, the Bible says that
God did it that way so that he could be both,
let me say it and then explain it, so he could
be both just and the justifier of the ungodly,
all right? Just and justifier, all right? So,
my favorite way to illustrate this is by a story,
okay? So best illustration of why Jesus had died
on the cross I've ever heard. It goes like this,
once upon a time in a far -off kingdom, there
was a king who was known by everyone in the kingdom
to be the most just and loving king who had ever
lived. But then it was discovered that somebody
was stealing from the king's treasury. And so
the king, being a just king, he sent out an edict.
that whenever it was discovered who was stealing
from the king's treasury, that that person would
receive 10 lashes. Well, the theft continued,
and so he issued another decree. When it's discovered
who's stealing from the king's treasury, it'll
be 20 lashes. The theft continued, 30 lashes,
until finally the king issued a final decree,
and he said, when it's discovered who's stealing
from the king's treasury, it will be a sentence
of 40 lashes. Now, the problem with that was
that 40 lashes was a death sentence. And so the
theft continued until eventually it was discovered
that none other than the king's daughter was
the one who was stealing from the treasury. So
then a question began to ripple through the kingdom.
What will the king do? Some thought he would
forgive her, but then how would he be just? Some
thought that he would issue the sentence, but
then how would he be loving? Well, it was decided.
The king sat down and decided, you know what?
The sentence is just, the punishment must fall,
and so the decree stands." And so one day the
entire kingdom was gathered, and in front of
everybody the king's own daughter was marched
up to the podium, in front of the entire kingdom,
and she was bent over the podium, and the back
of her shirt was ripped open, and the executioner
stood there, and he began to raise his whip to
land the first slash, and as soon as he did,
the king yelled, Stop. And there was a silence
that fell. And the king strode forward, and he
took off his own shirt, and he bent over, and
he wrapped his body around his own daughter,
and looked back up over his shoulder, and he
said, Now, hit her. And the executioner objected,
and he said, But, King, those lashes, they'll
fall on you. And he said, The sentence must stand.
It's just, hit her. And so 40 lashes fell on
the body of the king that protected the body
of his daughter, and the king died in the stead
of his daughter. And what happened, Sean, in
that story, is the king was both just because
payment for the sin had to be made, and the king
was the justifier of the ungodly. She went free
because he took the penalty. See, the reason
Jesus had to die on the cross is because God
is just. So payment for sin has to be made like
if somebody walked into a courtroom and A judge
just went you know what man you raped that girl
when she was young But you're real sorry, and
I have the power to do it. You're forgiven Nobody
would think that was a just judge So penalty
for sin had to be made But God is love so he
made the payment himself That's what the Bible
means when it says for the wages of sin is death
But the free gift of God is eternal life through
Jesus Christ our Lord. Okay? So it's a substitutionary
Sacrifice in my place condemned he stood Wow
It's a great explanation that makes sense makes
perfect sense That's a good story. That is I
had never heard that analogy before what was
so remarkable is that he did that off the cuff
I mean, no notes, just, this is how I understand
it. And I looked out across, both services were
packed this Sunday. It was just to the rafters.
And I was looking out, was watching people's
response during the story. You could have heard
a pin drop by the time he got to the punchline
and the king died. And literally, there were
people weeping all over the worship center in
both services. I was blown away. Of course, when
I saw them crying, well, man, it's like... Did
you tell the story or did you play the clip?
No, I played the clip. I played the video clip,
so they got to see the dynamic there. And man,
it landed strong. And of course, I just use that
as a leaping off point to share the good news
of Jesus Christ, the message, the gospel. and
hands everywhere. And I called for two things,
to be reborn for the first time and to re -up.
Re -up. Oh, re -up is good. It's a military ceremony
when the guys will re -up their term. I went
to many of those ceremonies in Abilene at Dias
Air Force Base, re -up ceremonies where they
would re -up their time. And so I said, you can
either re -up or you'd be reborn. Who am I talking
to? Let me see your hand. Don't be ashamed. Man,
hands just everywhere. I'll bet. It was so powerful.
And what I'm seeing is that because as the world
grows darker, the light shines brighter. And
there's a biblical scripture for that. It says,
where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more.
So the darker the sin gets in the world, the
darker the world gets, the brighter grace shines.
Yes. The good news. People are hungry right now.
I've never in my entire four decades of doing
this I've never seen more spiritual hunger that
I'm seeing right now So when I see stuff that's
dumpster fire, you know worthy in news feeds
and stuff I'm just going all this is doing even
though it's hair on fire and craziness people
are saying I need something bigger than me now.
Oh, everybody's tried everything. None of it
works. Right. That's why Jesus is trending. That's
what I keep telling everybody. Isn't that wild?
And yet it's the most persecuted people group,
along with the Jewish people. I mean, it's crazy.
So let's just look at what's happening in culture.
And I love that example that Josh Howerton gave
of a courtroom today, because this question was
almost literally posed to Francis Gill. Can I
give the scripture for this? Please. There's
actually a scripture that says that. It's actually
Romans 3 .26. It says, it was to show, this is
the scripture, it was to show his righteousness
at the present time, Christ's righteousness,
so that he might be just and the justifier of
the one who has faith in him. So the one who
has faith in Christ is the one whom Christ wraps
his body around and takes the punishment. So
I just want to land that before you segue. That's
good because there's some darkness out there.
And I want to put it into context, but just because
that clip ended with that courtroom scenario,
this is one of the winners of the primaries for
the Democratic Party. As you know, there's been
a lot of Democrats, socialists of America, or
whether they're card carrying or not, so extremely
liberal left. that the mainstream democrat party
is kind of in disarray because of what they're
saying. And this I think was on NBC. Listen to
this. Right. There are plenty of people who point
to some very controversial positions that DSA
takes. Let's talk about some of them. Your policy
agenda on law enforcement is to defund police,
ultimately to get rid of police departments.
Correct? Well, what I would say is that we're
dramatically overspending on police right now.
I understand. The goal is to defund the police
department so we don't need them in the future.
I think what we really want to see is a horizon
where folks are not reliant on armed enforcement
to meet our public safety needs. Right, but it
says defund police on the website. That's your
goal. And also to get rid of prisons and jails,
correct? Yes. So if my daughter is assaulted
and raped, is there any agency that would seek
to find her assailant and bring him to justice?
Of course, yeah, of course. What would it be
if not police and where would he be if not a
jail? So, I guess I really want to avoid getting
kind of caught into these hypotheticals and talk
more about the reality that we're actually facing
right now, which is that we're spending absolutely
outrageous amounts of money on police and policing
and we're not spending money on things that actually
make people safe and feel safe, which is things
like actually well -lit streets. The streetlights
in Los Angeles, everybody agrees it's a huge
problem. Things like mental health care and substance
use, substance use treatment. So things that
drive people to commit crimes and to that make
our society less safe. We're not doing anything
about the root causes. And instead we're funneling
money into the into the police. So what you're
what you're hearing here is actually populism
to an incredible degree. And I looked up all
the numbers. When you have a primary, it's interesting
how few people actually come out to vote in a
primary. But the way that is played on mainly
Instagram and Axis, oh my God, another socialist
one. And sometimes like, did anyone get civics
in high school? Did anybody learn anything? And
it's so easy just to get sucked into, oh, wow,
they're taking over. It's all happening. They're
winning. Well, these are primaries. And I think
the same woman here, Gil, I think she actually,
she was asked a question about who was really
voting for them in the primaries. She didn't.
It wasn't asked that way, but it kind of got
answered that way. Have a listen. Abdul al -Sayed's
victory. This is the guy that everyone's talking
about in Michigan, who is well -educated. I think
he's even a Rhodes scholar, which used to sound
like a really good thing, but when you see who
the Rhodes scholars really were, you're like,
okay, I'm not so sure I like him. But he's got
a real big mouth. He's really mouthing off. Now,
he's still, he's only a candidate. You know,
he hasn't won anything. He's not the senator
yet. You know, this has to be an actual election.
But when you hear who did and who didn't vote
for him in the primary of Democrats, it's only
Democrats voting for these people, it gets interesting.
Abdul Al Sayed's victory in the Democratic primary
in the Senate in Michigan. Of the 15 counties
where a majority do not have a college degree,
he lost every one of them, over 15. in the counties
with high education, like you, he won. So how
can you say you're for the working class when
working class counties in Detroit and elsewhere
voted against your candidate? I think what we're
seeing is that people who are highly educated
in this country were promised this path of Economic
success, if you go to college, if you get the
degree, if you go down that path, you're going
to be guaranteed economic success. But really
what we're seeing is that there's this huge downward
mobility problem where people are putting in
the money, taking out hundreds of thousands of
dollars of student loans. I have a half a million
dollars in student loan debt personally. And
not seeing that translate into actual economic
success because our society, the scales are so
tipped in one direction to benefit. the rich
and the wealthy. So this is what I mean by populism.
She's right. There's an entire generation that
was told, you go to school, you take out the
loans, which it just, you're going to get the
big job. You're going to get the big job. And
unfortunately, two things happened. One, the
debt that was created because they're government
backed loans, which is just an amazing mistake
on government's behalf. The other one is that
the degrees they got would have been useless
in any time. So, you know, gender studies, et
cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I saw it with
their own girls. They got into these woke universities
and it's like, no, not necessarily really a useful
degree that you have there. So they're not really
concerned about anybody than themselves. And
I'm not saying that it's It sucks because it
does. They really got gypped, if I can just use
that word. But at the same time, there's seven
million jobs available to people who don't even,
you don't need to have a degree. And these are
jobs who will pay up to $175, $200 ,000 a year.
Oh, if you know how to turn a wrench. If you're
willing to learn how to turn a wrench. Right,
yes. There is so much, and that's... The real
message, I'm sorry, but we have to, hey, I might
have to go learn to how to turn a wrench, you
know, but the jobs are there. And all of these
Democrat socialists of America, yeah, you can
motivate highly educated people through online
campaigns to come in and vote for someone in
a primary because the turnout is incredibly low,
really low. And it's mainly highly educated.
white girls, to be fair about it, who are voting
these candidates in for their party. I do not
think that in a general election, if people actually
go out and vote, which we have to do, I don't
think they stand a chance at all. And they really
only care about everything against Trump. That's
their entire platform. It's abolish ICE, abolish
the Senate, Seriously, which is laughable, abolish
or defund the police, get rid of jails. Open
the borders again. Literally open the borders
under the guise of protect our communities. These
people cannot be taken seriously. But we have
to be careful because I already see like a defeatist
attitude. And that's just, that's just people.
Miss understanding or misrecognizing that they
didn't win anything yet. They want a primary.
That's a good point. Adam. Cause I heard Jack
Hibbs say, you know, only 23 % you know, in,
in California now identify as Republican. Don't
worry got that was a bubbling or Christian. I
thought he said Christian thing was Christian
So he said basically so it's over for us I mean
he literally had a complete fatalistic statement,
which I absolutely disagree with I mean, I'm
like even Annette was like man. He's just robbing
people He's basically tell them it doesn't do
you any good to go vote, right? Man, I That stuff
gets all over me real quick and you know, I like
Jack Hibbs from a distance and all of us I've
liked but man just this alarmist, defeatist,
fatalistic thinking, that's not even the core
of Christianity, where it's all about hope. Faith,
hope, and love. These three remain greatest is
love. But faith and hope, man, you don't have
love without faith and hope. They all work together.
And pray, vote, and multiply. Absolutely. This
is what we got to do. Get busy. Get busy, young
man. So to kind of wrap this up, there's a study
came out of Wharton School of the University
of Pennsylvania. And it plays into this. Let
me see where it is here. The study was called
Thinking Fast, Slow, and Artificial. And the
researchers, they took over 1 ,000 people and
they asked some people to solve certain questions
without an AI chatbot, some to use only an AI
chatbot, and some to use you know, to just refer
to it if they felt like it was necessary. Well,
you'd be amazed that the people who just kind
of referred to it once in a while didn't do so
well. And the reason is something they call cognitive
surrender. And I actually heard about the survey
on a pastor's podcast. I forget what it was.
I'll have to look that up. And he was talking
about pastors doing their sermons with AI. And
the big problem is that when people are using
chatbots, robots, AI, whatever you want to call
it, when the AI is wrong, people still follow
their advice 80 % of the time. And so if you
don't know what the outcome is, a chatbot, if
you don't know what the answer is supposed to
be, a chatbot is not going to be your friend.
Agreed. So this happened last night in reverse
with me. Tina's scrolling Instagram. She says,
Oh, my. The owner of Royal Blue Grocers was killed.
Now, Royal Blue Grocers is very famous in Austin.
They have small little grocery stores. If you're
an Austinite, you love them. They're expensive.
Neighborhood grocery stores. But they're very,
very famous. I'm like, oh, wow. So I go, look,
I can't find anything on regular searches. I
go to Gemini and I say, OK, here's what's going
on. No. This is an online hoax. And I'm saying
to Tina, it's like, I mean, where are you getting
this? She says, it's on Instagram. Well, of course,
I'm always like, okay. But then she says, go
take a look. And there it is, the official Royal
Blue Grocers Instagram account. Now, it didn't
say kill. This was a little interesting thing.
He said he died suddenly and, gosh, I should
have written it down. Like like a real quick
sudden Goodness, I should yeah, that's different
than being killed No, well and and that's just
that's easy to misread, you know, that's sure
I'm not blaming Tina for it. Let me just I want
to make sure here it is Here it is George Scariano
junior father husband son brother and friend
died suddenly and tragically on Thursday, August
6 so I understand where she might have in her
brains had killed, depending on whatever she'd
just read before it. So that's okay. But I go
to Gemini, I say, no, this happened. No, it didn't,
because that would be in the news. I say, yep,
but I'm seeing it on the Instagram post that
is from the grocery. And so I give it the link.
It says, well, that link doesn't mean anything
to me. I said, take a screenshot. And the screenshot,
and it says, well, that's just a screenshot.
You've been hoaxed. That's an online fake. Yes,
I went through, I said, you are so convinced,
you're so sure of yourself because, you know,
a community leader like this, then I'm starting
to think this probably was a suicide because
they also had, you know, please give money to
the mental health department of some hospital.
And so then I say to the robot, well, have you
considered this? Then all of a sudden it goes,
you're right. I can, I'm completely. So the point
is I fought with it just to fight with it. I
believe what Tino was saying. Cause you're just
pushing to see how far this will go. And it took
me eight, nine turns with this thing to get it
there. So it's like, Jim and I, that's been,
I mean, it's one you've kind of like, but I,
but I knew the outcome had to be something closer
to the truth. So I didn't give into cognitive
surrender. Good. But when you give into cognitive
surrender, this is where you start to lose the
plot. And I believe that this is starting to
seep into our brains with all kinds of news.
Totally agree. And the most recent one is, well,
McKinney, Texas, they approved the mosque. I
looked that up on Grok. What did you get from
Grok? Grok said, It went into the Muslim Brotherhood
100 -Year America Plan. What? And that they're
50 years into their plan, according to sources.
What about the mosque approval? Right. And on
that one, they said the mosque was not, only
the site work was approved. The mosque, actually,
that's another. Exactly. But people showed up
in hordes protesting that. But that that's not
even the mosque approval. It's just the site
work for the for the mosque. Potentially, I brought
a clip new overnight, a step forward for the
proposed mosque in McKinney. The City Council
voted just before midnight to approve a site
plan for that mosque. And Trevor Sahaki joins
us live from McKinney. Trevor, people who live
there kind of split on the issue. More than 100
people gave public comment both for and against.
Yeah, that's right, Madison. This vote on the
moss came after more than five and a half hours
of public comment. But in the end, all seven
city council members voted unanimously to approve
the site plan. This motion carries. I vote a
seven in favor and a zero against. Now, city
council told residents the vote was procedural,
saying they were just voting on whether the site
plan fits the city's ordinances. The proposed
property would sit near Virginia Parkway and
Crutcher Crossing. The McKinney Islamic Association
says it wants to build a dedicated prayer area,
gym, classrooms, cafeteria, and a community space.
The group wants to develop the new property to
accommodate the growing community. So you're
absolutely right, but this is the part that no
one really except us, I guess. took the time
to look up. So in 2024, the McKinney Islamic
Society, I think they're called, came up with
a plan and it was like a 40 ,000 square feet
building. And no, that's not zoned for that.
So no, they came back. Now it's You know, it's
fifteen thousand and broken up in a smaller what
they're doing They're fitting into the requirements
right into the into the zoning requirement, which
was not the zoning Requirement was not even done
by the City Council. It was the previous City
Council, right? So this is not a mosque has been
approved and we all have to have our hair on
fire There's plenty of opportunity for this not
to take place but If you want to make a change
in your community, you got to get on the zoning
committee. You got to get a zoning board. You
can't just go to the meeting and complain or
go onto IG and start topping out your fit. And
that McKinney approved it. We're lost. Texas
is lost. So can I ask you a question? Because
you and I have gone around and around about this.
And is there a level? Yes, we know it's dumpster
fire stuff, hair on fire stuff. It's fear -mongering.
We're being taken over by Islam. They're working
the plan. It's plans are working. Is there a
level or a place, and where is that, where we
should start to say, we need to get busy. We
need to do something. Is there a point where
we say, Yeah, is this mirroring Europe, but we're
30 years behind, 50 years behind? Well, this
is what we talked about on the last show. Yes,
the time is now. It has been time. But not to
sit around screaming on Instagram. Okay, I agree
with that. So what do we do? Get into city council.
That's what happened. What happened is, in Europe,
they just let it go. And then people started
running for office. And then, oh, now these people
here don't represent my interest in the community
I'm also a part of. That's it. So are we seeing
that the beginnings of that? I mean, with Mamdami
in New York and now, you know, others that have
been elected, I forget what the number is of
how many Muslims are now sitting in places of
authority and leadership in various communities
across the United States, especially as of the
last general election. So there seems to be Yes,
absolutely. So I had dinner with a lobbyist friend
of ours. I'm not going to say his name. I know
who it is. Yeah. And I just asked straight up
questions about that very thing. And he said,
here's the thing, I disagree with the premise
that it starts at the local level. He said, if
we do not deal with the federal level, state
and federal, he said federal, he didn't say state.
He said, if we don't deal with it there, the
trickle down effect is... A community like McKinney,
even though they are their own county, their
own state, they're still under federal jurisdiction
in terms of various laws and what. So they can't
just shut out or ignore the First Amendment,
because that's very interpretive, as you know.
And I said, so then what do we do? If it's not
getting involved in the local level, what do
we do? And he told me three things that scared
the snot out of me. I don't know. You see, I
disagree. I don't think the mosques are the issue.
That's why I brought this up. I want you to talk
about this because I too have adopted... I can't
maybe impact Washington. I can't run for Senator,
but I can impact here. But what do people want
to do? You want to outlaw Scientology? You want
to outlaw... Look, if you have someone speaking,
which is a problem, speaking seditious language
against the United States, Guess what? That's
protected under the First Amendment. Right. Just
like you're protected in your pulpit. Right.
But who is controlling our local community? Who
controls whether whatever kind of building is
built? Right. You know, I wouldn't necessarily
want to sign. I wouldn't want a Scientology headquarters
here either. It's local and county commissions.
So, you know, what I hear is this, and I think
it's a cop out. I felt fatalistic when he said
it. It's a cop out. It's to go say, well, We
got to have a law against Islam, declare it not
a religion. A good luck. Right. Good luck. Yeah,
you're fighting the Constitution there. But I
saw this happen for 25 years. That's why I think
we have a long way to go before we're in trouble.
However, if we see that train coming, if it's
like, you know, the title of Eric Clapton, slow
train coming. Start now. Then we need to do something
now. And I think what people would like to know,
what do we do? Well, you're doing it. when the
Texas School Board Commission wanted to know,
okay, what goes into the curriculum? You and
Annette and other people from our community went
to the state level and said, no, no, we want
this, we don't want that. And I believe we were
successful. And what they wanted was no Ten Commandments,
Koran, other things. No Bible stories to teach
literature. That is how it's done. I appreciate
the lobbyist. From now on, just going to be known
as the Hill Country lobbyist. The lobbyist. If
he's listening, you'll be laughing right now.
No, and that's fine. No, yeah, it is. But I just
really don't agree. If you don't want that stuff,
don't go on your text group or Instagram like,
oh, no. You need to get off your blessed assurance.
Thank you, brother. I was going to say it if
you didn't. And you've got to do something. Yeah.
You know, we as a church, we wanted to get leadership
here in Fredericksburg that we agreed with, who
agreed with our principles, our ideas of what
our community values should be about, thought
that the other candidate might not represent
those entirely. So we went to town. That's what
it is. Don't think that the DSA and the DSA are
the ones who, it's always the left and the, it's
always the left who will go with these types
of groups, like political Islamists. It's documented.
This is exactly what happened in Amsterdam, in
Rotterdam, in London, in the Netherlands. because
that's really what had the most experience in
the Netherlands nationally. Now they have a parliamentary
system which has other problems. So we're not
exactly in the same boat and we have regular
elections. So, you know, New York, it's going
to be up to New York. If New York is real happy,
if everyone's really grooving in a couple of
years when it's time for the mayoral election,
I think it's six years, you know, you can also
impeach somebody. But if they're still really
happy and it's moving and grooving, which I doubt,
then they'll keep going that way. But this is
America. We have fought for our freedom and for
what we believe and for our values. We fought
for that. We'll just fight for it again. Exactly.
And that's it. So I'm not, I think it's a cop
out to say it has to be changed at the federal
level. I see, oh, Abbott, how come you're not
fixing, Ken Paxson, where are you now? And this,
you know, it's like, stop banging on the keyboard,
get up and organize and do something. And I truly,
I've seen it. I think our pastors, our priests,
our rabbis, whoever it is, they organize people.
If you can get 700 people, 800 people on a Sunday
to come listen to you, then you can organize
them. to at least prayerfully vote for who they
want to. Which we did. Which we did. Or stand
to vote. And we all know now that you have the
right to be political, too. Which was a scam
of epic proportion with the Johnson Amendment.
Which set us back decades. Decades. So I get
really fired up about that. I'm glad I did that
on purpose, you know. No, it's good. I poured
gasoline on the fire because I, too, am beating
the drum of I may not be able to impact Long
game, I can. Short game, I can't impact Washington,
but I can impact Fredericksburg, Texas. Yes,
but what does the lobbyist say? What do we have
to do at the federal level? What is like outlaw
Islam? He literally said, I don't know. We got
to elect the right people. And I'm going to go
on. But at the federal level, we have very limited
impact on who's elected at that level. I mean,
we can go out. We'll continue to vote. But what
can an elected person do? What can a lawmaker
do? They have to represent us. Right, but we
have a very clear constitution. Just because
you can't make laws against what people believe
and what they're thinking, doesn't mean you can't
make laws about what building is placed somewhere.
You can make laws about that. You can have dress
code laws if you want. You can outlaw dancing.
Hello, Footloose. You can literally do whatever
you do, but you can't curtail freedom of speech
or free freedom of religion. So instead of like
this crazy stupid. We've got to outlaw Islam.
Tell them it's not a religion. Good luck. Yeah,
that's not gonna happen. Pastafarians everywhere
unite. That's not gonna happen, bro. It's not
gonna happen. No. So, but you can do all these
other things. But we also don't need to show
up in meetings with pitchforks. No. Wrong. Exactly.
And flamethrowers because we're mad. No, because
we're mad at ourselves for not doing it earlier.
Exactly. But also it leaks over in very much
ungodliness. As a follower of Jesus, I have a
responsibility to say yes to obedience and no
to impulse. A lot of this is what we're talking
about is impulse, control, lack of. We get upset,
we get outraged, we see a video, a clip, a 12
-second clip or a headline, alert, alert, breaking
news. We just forget who we are, who we say we
are, and we start acting like something we're
not. And yet we think we're doing it in the name
of righteousness in God. That's dangerous. What
scripture can we apply to this? Because we're
doing the opposite. Well, it's any of the wisdom
scriptures. We're to act and walk in the wisdom.
We've been given the mind of Christ. He says,
You've not been given a spirit of fear because
this is what these things are. They're fear -driven,
right? Yes. So, Timothy 1 -7, you've not been
given a spirit of fear, but of power and of love
and of a sound mind, the ability to think well.
There's your scripture. Yeah. Because what's
happening, people are getting to the first gate,
which is fear, and they don't get past that to
power, love, and a sound mind, the ability to
think well. Man, we got to keep running through
that scripture and get to the end. It's one thing
to have a reaction, a visceral reaction, because
man, that's what these are designed to do, right?
These news feeds, they're vying for your attention.
It's all about your attention. It's gaslighting.
It's totally that. But you've got to get past
that too. Wait a minute. No, no, no. I refuse
to walk in fear. I refuse to toss it. I refuse
to say, I don't know. There's nothing we can
do. That's as un -American as it gets. I'm with
you on that. To think that there's nothing we
can do. Man, just tell our founding fathers that
who gave their lives, their fortunes, and their
sacred honor for this. So anyway, I'm with you
on that. I'm stirred up about it as well. So
instead of running around with pitchforks and
torches, let's get strategic. Let's think well.
Let's calm down so we can think well because
you cannot make good decisions when you're in
a cortisol dump. I get a little fired up too.
Let's uh, we gotta, we gotta land this, but yeah,
we, we turned into no agenda here. Three hours
with Jesus. So we do have an agenda. We got a
Jesus agenda. Yep, we do. Gotcha. Um, we asked
people, um, to come up with names for, uh, people
who listen and write in and comment and are a
part of our, we get to do this audience. I'm
going to run through a couple because we got
quite a few. We got Paul of Frogden Hill said,
doers, and he referred to James 1 .22, don't
just listen to God's word, you must do what it
says, otherwise you are only fooling yourselves.
Todd Allen came up with a whole bunch of them.
I'm just going to list them. I mean, I don't
agree with all of them, but crusaders, saints,
stewards, apprentice, companions, guardians,
vanguard, maybe. Windy, our own Windy, Windy
Winstead. She said, the get -to crew, which I
kind of like the get -to crew. And she also said,
maybe we should just be leaky buckets. I love
how you're thinking, Windy. But see, this one,
I don't know who sent this. Faith Weavers, Weavers,
the faithful testifiers. Michael Anastasio, who
donated again today, we'll get to that. He said,
devotees. I don't know about devotees. Casey
Van Heel, doers, we get to doers or do -gooders.
He said, we need to change the name of our podcast.
We could also get we get to do bags. That's pretty
funny. I know where that's coming from. I like
that we get to do bags. That's pretty funny.
Another one for doers from Carl Markley. Several
people came up with Dewars. So, I don't know,
I think it's still up in the air. What did you
have before we started? At the beginning, you
said - I'm leaning towards Get -To Nation. Get
-To Nation? Get -To, like Gitmo, Get -To. It's
got a vibe, it's got rhyme, it's got a flow.
I like the idea of nation, because I'm one of
those Christian nationalists. I like the name,
so I'm not averse to this at all. I'm leaning
that way, but man, I love hearing these. I appreciate
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Thank you, Michael. Coming from the pastor, that's
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I'm trying to remember who gave us the coins.
From last time we didn't get challenge coins.
Yeah, the challenge coins. I thought I had them
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them with me And I apologize. Yeah, I'm feeling
better myself. They're super cool, man. I love
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Because I was going to really I was going to
thank I just totally went through my bag all
I know I'm looking forward as well, you know
now we have the PO box we also got I want to
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to give that to you. He sent that to the P .O.
box. He's hanging on to his faith and we pray
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I didn't want to damage those coins, you know,
so I think I must have set them on my desk. I
apologize. Was it the Star Wars? Yes. Yes. That's
what it was. Did we talk about that? I don't
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week so we can talk about it. And I failed. We
received it and we'll make good on it. They're
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can find everything at WGTDT .com. Wow, brother.
I love doing this. This is so much. I've been
looking forward to this. Me too. And man, I love
that you got fired up today. That was fun. You
know the trigger. You know exactly. You did that
on purpose. Okay, I did it. Yes, I did. I punched
the button. You want to close this out? Yeah.
Yeah. Father, thank you for this time. I pray
that what we say and do here is pleasing to you.
That's our heart. Yes. And Father, for all of
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