Abba Father, Lord Jesus, Holy Spirit, we are
so thankful to be here today. It is such a privilege
to break from the regular routine of the things
we do, and we do a lot of things, we spend a
lot of plates, but it is our privilege to get
to do this. We get to do this. So Lord, we pray
specifically for those that will... listen to
this, whether they're doing it on purpose, or
they find us somehow, or somebody sends it to
them, that they will find themselves encouraged,
inspired, and sometimes even challenged. And
so, Lord, we give this to you. We fire the arrows.
You pick the target. In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
It's Wednesday, July 29th, 2026. We get to do
this. This is episode number 43. Hello brother,
how you doing? I'm doing great. I was just locking
my car remotely so You know, have you actually
done the remote start? Yes. I keep forgetting.
I do too. I'm walking out of H -E -B. I'm like,
oh man, oh, it's 98 degrees. It's always an H
-E -B. And I didn't do it. When we go to the
gym, I always remember because I'm hot. I'm feeling
it. But I always forget at the grocery store.
I get there, why am I paying for this? Well,
it's a freebie right now. It is. I would do a
freebie too. And then it's going to be, oh, and
this costs you $5 a month. I don't think that's
worth it. There's a lot of these little nuances
that pop up. subscription life, right? I mean,
you may or may not have a few subscriptions.
I've actually been paring down. It's a job going
back in because they don't make it easy for you
to unsubscribe. You know, I was listening to
the clips show of No Agenda with John C. Dvorak,
who we'll talk about a little bit in a moment.
And there was a really old clip. And I knew it
was old because of the sound quality, you know,
back in the Skype days and latency and lag and
everything. EQ is real different on those old
days. It was halfway across the world. I was
in London at the time. And he was talking about,
I forget the guy's name, a Silicon Valley guy.
He said, that in the future, everything we think
as things we buy and own will be licensed and
will be on subscription. And in time, John was
talking about books, music, and movies, because
back in those days, you know, 15, 16 years ago,
you downloaded songs, you owned them, you could
put them on different devices, you had DVDs.
And he was right. All of that has gone. And now
it's moving to the automobile. The minute you
open the door, you basically have signed a license.
They, oh yeah, I agree to these terms. Not necessarily
a good thing. Well, we've heard that wonderful
quote from the World Economic Forum. Oh yeah,
you will own nothing and you will be happy. Yeah.
So not so much. Like, how many subscriptions
do I have? Wait, where's that? Because the net's
always going. What's this $6 .37 charge? Bro,
Tina opened up one of the bank accounts, which
literally just is there for PayPal stuff, because
it goes from that bank account to PayPal. He's
like, what is this Brmafidnava for $17? Because
it's all abbreviated. Right. You have to look
at the PayPal. He's like, what? What is all this?
You give a lot of money to Google. I said, no,
I do subscriptions through Google. That's why
it shows up as Google. Is it just me or is the
on -ramp so easy, but the off -ramp is a nightmare?
I've actually found that if you do everything
through Google Payments, the off ramp is pretty
easy. You just say stop. I've been lazy. So I'm
just like, yeah, what am I on right now? Okay.
And then I have to run it all back down. Fortunately,
I've got it down to where it's just a couple,
just a very few things, but I'm trying to be
cautious about that. So this is a moment for
me to exhale. I've been working up, working up
to this, just running, running, running, gunning,
getting everything ready. You know, we have since
the passing of my other podcast partner, John
C. Dvorak, things are changing, things are morphing.
I feel like I'm also trying to be there for another
family, because we are family, be it intercontinental.
We've never really talked about personal stuff
per se. It's always been business, but always
laughing and always joking. And so that's still
laughter through the tears, you know, and whereas
we're trying to figure stuff out. And John gave
plenty of opportunities to laugh. And that's
one of the, I think is one of his greatest contributions,
even if he was being a curmudgeon. I was always
disappointed if I listened to the show and he
wasn't a curmudgeon. I'm like, hey, he's in a
good mood. I think you and 98 % of the people.
I love the chemistry that you guys had. Something
has happened to me, which is kind of odd for
me, but it's beautiful. Brutal, maybe is a better
word. Because I'm such good friends with you
and Tina, Annette and I, And because we've walked
together now for three years, pretty much nonstop.
I mean, we've traveled together, we've done a
lot of things, and now we're doing this. But
I have, I feel like I've either been adopted
into the No Agenda Nation, Gitmo Nation, or I've
just adopted mine. I just barged in and crashed
the party because I've been blessed to go to
some of the meetups, a couple of local here.
out at Jenny's place and then out over in Austin,
a couple of those. And so that's about four that
I've been to. And every time I've gone, I came
away lifted, inspired. I love meeting, you know
me, man, I couldn't walk down the hall here without
having a conversation. We always start the podcast
late. Oh, we saw five people we knew at HEB yesterday.
What could have taken five minutes was an hour.
I'm just here for dental floss, people. Let me
go. I'm here for a gallon of milk. Well, you
are a part of Knowage and the Nation. I feel
like I am. And an important part because the
more I listen to what people have to say and
thousands of emails, I'm trying to get through
all of them, the donation notes which you got
over the past two episodes, I noticed that Yes,
people came for the media deconstruction, for
the clips, et cetera, but it was the chemistry
between us that made it work, which is always
the case with a podcast. It doesn't matter what
you're talking about. People want to listen in
on the conversation, and they like the dynamic,
and that's a big part of it. So you were as much
an extension into the show as... As my daughter
as my wife as you know all these different people
who are around me, but also This is the big thing
that I noticed when all of these notes came in
65 % at least were godly spiritual believers
not you know, there were some faith thoughts
and prayers. Oh, yeah You know, there's there's
a lot of that and well wishes and I'm not discounting
that all good, but a lot of godly people and
I I hope that my openness about my faith helps,
and we've had some actual feedback that people
said, oh, because you did that, now I feel like
I can be more open about it. And you've seen
it, the meetups, people come up to you and it's
not just, hey, you're a friend of mine. It's
like, pastor, I got some questions. Yeah, it's
been beautiful. Because people are always asking
questions. People are writing me too, which is
really nice. I've enjoyed it. I answered one
even just this morning. And I love that. I love
that interaction. you know, we may not always
be able to be in each other's face, but we are
in each other's space, so to speak, so in our
orbits. And so I love it. What it is for me,
it's a pastor's heart, it's a shepherd's heart.
So the shepherd wants to protect the flock and
the sheep. And it's like the Lord's extended
my flock, or at least my heart for the flock,
so to speak, where I'm just so, I'm feeling some
of the grief and weight that that the family
is because it's tragic anytime somebody passes
and all that's hard anyway. We grieve and we
should grieve well and grieve fully. I remember
my mother passed, I was young, she passed at
45 so I was in like a sophomore in college. And
when she passed, I went to, I didn't feel a lot
of grief instantly. I'm a delayed griever. So
I got there and I was thinking about this in
terms of even listening to you on the show, have
some moments where there was a break in your
voice, you know? Absolutely. But I know why.
It's the same reason I do. I don't often grieve
for myself personally. I will later when everybody's
okay. But in the moment, I'll grieve for those
that I see hurting, that I see broken. I think
you felt that same weight as you were manning
the microphone. Completely. Because you were
smack dab in the middle of it. You're in the
other part of that equation and that chemistry.
But what I heard in your voice, especially when
you read that opener on the Sunday, that was
a shepherd's heart. It wasn't just a friend or
a business partner. It was actually a shepherd's
heart, a pastoral heart that's driven by Christ
in His kingdom and His kingdom alive in you.
You were feeling those things. You were empathizing.
And I'm feeling the same thing for... So I've
written several daily grinds specific... Yeah,
for No Agenda Nation. To No Jits, and oh, I'm
posting it everywhere else. But really, this
is for that group that's hurting, that group
that's confused or just struggling right now.
Normal grief. It is normal. It doesn't feel normal
when you're in it. Mm -hmm. Yeah, but it but
it won't last forever. Yes. It's but you got
to go through it. You can't go around it It's
funny that I only broke up a couple times during
the show and the the hardest one was being Mmm,
was it Thursday or whatever? There was a donation
note from a ham radio operator And when a ham
radio operator passes away, he becomes an SK,
a silent key, from the old Morse code key. Oh,
you're right. I tear up again. I don't know why
this gets me. Brother, feel it. Let it go. So
you go on the air, and you call out his call
sign, and then you wait. And so he had recorded
this here. And he calls that again, third time.
He says, OK. Nothing heard, silent key. That's
very much like the police officers, what they
do, the firefighters. They have a ceremonial
radio moment for the whole, everybody listening.
That's what it was. It's honor is what it is.
It hit me so hard because we were... hack hams.
We just became hams for the lark of it and just
to tell people you should become a ham radio
operator just in case the world crumbles. You
need a way to communicate. We would always be
able to do the show on ham radio. All those dystopian
movies have one ham radio operator who's broadcasting
across the desolate landscape. It was always
us. He was always a little wacko in the movies
though. He's a little weird. Again, always us,
same guy. I'd been feeling a pull towards doing
things for the kingdom for a long time. Look
at why we're doing this podcast. That wasn't
by accident. I'd been feeling this pull for a
long time and with John's really sudden passing,
immediately I started to feel things, and not
just what I feel or what I'm hearing in prayer,
but also the scripture. I think I might have
mentioned this to you, but it's like God pre
-wrote everything and put it in exactly on the
27th of July, 2026, so I would read that. But
it was everywhere. It was about transition. with
death. I just wrote down a couple of scriptures
that popped up, Joshua 1, 2 and 5, Moses, my
servant is dead, now therefore arise, go over
as Jordan, thou and all... I got the King James,
and all his people unto the land which I do give
to them. As I was with Moses, I will be with
thee, I will not fail thee nor forsake thee.
Joshua 1 .9, have I not commanded thee, be strong
and be of good courage, be not afraid, neither
be dismayed, for the Lord the God is with thee
wherever you go. I got, when the road ahead is
unclear, Psalm 37 .23. Of course, that's the
steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord and
he delights in the details of his life. But also
in Proverbs 3, trust in the Lord with all your
heart and lean not into your own understanding
and always acknowledge Him and He will direct
your paths. So, I mean, and it just went on and
on, Jimmy, just it did not stop. And then, of
course, the new thing, how struck by, wait a
minute, where was I? I think I had it here. What
is the passing of the mantle? Is that from Elijah?
I had it here somewhere. Elijah tears his clothes
and picks up the mantle. Elijah tears his clothes
and picks up the mantle and goes back to work
the same day. So all these things, and for me
it means a handoff, a transition, new things,
literally new things were popping up. I got a
I think it was a devotional from Krish Dhanam.
Yeah, yeah, I got that same devotional. It was
good. Yeah, he had 1 Corinthians 10, 13, no temptation
has overtaken you that is not common to man.
God is faithful. He will not let you be tempted
beyond your ability, but with temptation He will
also provide the way of escape and you may be
able to endure it. And he has a, you know, so
he has a whole devotional and a call to action.
Trust the hands beside you, rest in the hold
above you, guard the heart within you, walk boldly
toward the hope ahead of you." And it was this,
like constant, constant, constant. Now, maybe
it's because you get a 10 -speed bike, you see
10 -speed bikes everywhere, but I don't think
it was that. I think it was something else going
on. That's a Holy Spirit -inspired filter. It's
a new filter, a new grid. Yes. And so as I'm
feeling all of this and I'm thinking, well, first
of all, we're taking two weeks off from No Agenda,
but I was already very clear like there's going
to be change and that change is going to be me
in particular because I have other things to
do. And I can't just, you know, it's not like
your wife passes away and here's my new wife
and it's going to be the same. We were each other's
work wise for lack of a better analogy. And that's
just not how it works. And you can't just like
start a new Chemistry with somebody whereas I've
literally started we've been talking about doing
the show for three years before we even started
it So I could hit record three years ago, right?
So, you know then there but then there's also
there's another family that depends on yeah the
finances of it and wars and us too and this is
you know, this is the thing where this past week
has been Of course also had got a granddaughter.
So it's been incredibly joyous incredibly sad
And then fear sets in, like, oh, what now? So
now what? I mean, for more than 15 years of my
work life, I've had one job, really. And I've
done lots of other things, but I've had one job.
And this job has sustained our lifestyle. We're
not super wealthy. We are more than comfortable.
And I'm super happy with that because I don't
need anymore. It's fine. But then you start thinking,
well, what if, you know, so this will go down,
will it go up? Do I struggle with somebody else?
And you know when you start down that, the enemy
just jumps in right away. He's an opportunist
and he takes, he leverages things against us.
So when we have that one, that thought creeps
in, we give it a little power, we entertain it
for a moment. And it's like tipping the first
domino and they just start to go. And I'm so
grateful. to Jesus that I was saved because this
is exactly the season where I need my faith to
be able to at night just crawl up next to Tina
and say, Lord Jesus, Father Abba, just hold us.
Hold us, make us feel secure. People don't realize,
you know, I don't know what, people don't know
me really. They know me, but they don't. I mean,
without no agenda, you know, I have no income.
There's an identity piece that happens. So I
pastored a church in Abilene, we were 60 % military.
So we would see these guys and we'd go to their
ceremonies, their 20 year when they exit and
retire. And it was so, the ceremony is always
amazing. And man, it's a big party, there's food
and friends and family come from all over. It's
a big hurrah. And then when the lights go down
and all the party stuff's gone away, Those guys
go home and go, what do I do now? Their entire
identity for 20 years, I thought about you, was
wrapped up in one thing. And so that's another
thing you have to grieve. You have to. You have
to grieve, okay, this is a part of who I am.
It will always be a part of who I am, but it
is not my primary purpose now. My mission has
changed. My directive has changed. working for
the kingdom with Godcaster and we've been doing
this show. And you know me that I've never really
worried about money because it was always there
and something always happened. That's since 1990.
So I'm not, you know, panic stricken by that.
But also I'm like, okay. What am I going to do?
How do we move forward? We have savings, you
know, how long, you know, it's all these things.
And you're not worried about yourself, but you
have a wife. A wife, and that's another person
in the equation. Another family. Right. And so
it felt very much like everyone's looking at
me, not just the families, but an entire audience
of producers are looking at me. What are you
going to do? And so my, I mean, I think I told
you, I heard this so clear. Darren and Larry,
you guys, I'm gonna, my machine will, my process
will deliver the clips. You guys have a great
chemistry. steer the ship for a bit. I'll pop
in on Thursday. We'll see how it feels. There
has to be a transition. And this, one of my devotionals,
of course, I forgot to bring the book with me
this morning. It was all about transition. Is
it the one your daughter gave you? Yes, it is.
That guy is good, by the way. I've been looking
at some of his stuff. He's amazing. I like it.
And the fact that my daughter gave it to me just
blows me away. So, but I, everywhere, trust in
the Lord. I know he has a plan. I know it's a
plan for good and no matter what it is. And God
bless Tina because she's like, I'm with you.
Whatever it is, whatever God has in store for
us, let's just listen, listen, listen, try to
be obedient and follow and stay the course. And
so everything for me points towards we get to
do this. but that doesn't mean I'm just dropping
no agenda. I'm an active producer and I will
be a voice on it. It'll be cool. I love the fact
that you're gonna be popping in. It's almost
better unannounced like, oh, by the way, we got
Adam on the line. I think that's so comforting
for people. Yeah, but also just looking at the
mix of audience, I think that the... identity
that I had for 16 years and now I have a new
identity which has been that way for the past
three, it's a different identity and it requires
a different output. So Sunday Tina and I come
to the early service as usual. I'm laughing at
you, I love you so much because you know what's
coming and you're pretending like you don't know
because Tina told the net. So I know you already
know. No, actually, I'm a little blind. Oh, really?
Okay, we have three teenagers in our house right
now. I'm a little bit fuzzy because we're talking
about what to put in the news. We're doing a
newsletter now wgtdt .com. Make sure you sign
up for the newsletter, become a subscriber there.
And so we're going through because this is a
big part the success of any value for value podcast.
You got to have a newsletter. You have to continue.
You know, people have busy lives. You got to
remind them what's coming. And I say, okay, I'm
going to talk about this. And she says, did you
talk with Jimmy about this? I said, no. In fact,
I told him, I'll tell you what it is on the show.
Oh, oh, I told Annette. I'm like, oh, oh, anyway,
it doesn't matter because the story is still
the same. So great service. You were on fire.
As usual, the worship team was amazing. And then
as you're landing, first of all, I have to say
one of our people, I forget her name. She came
up to me during the Say Hi to Your Neighbor,
the little mini meetup segment. And she says,
I just want to say, I love listening to you and
John. And I only came in when he had his bypass,
and then it started to come. She was talking
about her son had a bypass, and her parents had
it. And she just broke down, like, come on. You
were already moving into the mess. Cracked up.
I saw y 'all talking. Yeah, because she was just.
But I saw it looks as serious, so I just kept
going. But I knew y 'all were staying there for
a bit. Yeah, and I sat her down. It was comforting
for me, and I hope for her. Anyway. Oh, it was.
So you have a great message. And near the end,
I'm thinking, oh, man, because the prayer team
comes up. And I'm thinking to myself, we should
probably just have someone pray over us. Maybe
it should be Garrett. And I didn't say anything.
And then I said, Tina, would you like someone
to pray over us? She says, yeah, I think it has
to be Garrett. OK. So all right. I said, well,
wow. OK. So we go over to Garrett. And I don't
know much about Garrett other than he runs the
men's minute. He has a, like a men's thing on
- He's a group leader. Yeah, on Thursdays, I
believe. Nice guy. Great guy. Tina sees him in
the gym all the time. And he says, oh, I was
hoping you would come over because I have something
for you. And I'm like, okay, well, that's interesting.
And he says - I wish I could have recorded it
because I can never get the words exactly right.
And would you say Garrett has some prophetic
nature to himself? Oh, absolutely. He does. Yeah,
I've noticed that about him. It's a gift, yes.
A spiritual gift. Yeah, he definitely has a spiritual
gift. And he says, you know, something is changing,
something big is happening. You need to transition.
There's that word again. And however, I see that
there's something very important you got to be
doing. You need to be you need to be spreading,
I think I've said the voice of God, but you need
to be spreading God through your voice. And he
just kept on going. He said, do you know about
my podcast partner? He said, no, I know you do
a podcast. I'm not quite sure. I said, well,
he just passed away. And he says, there it is.
There it is. And I mean, I am giving you the
abbreviated version. I wish you could have heard
it. But we both looked at each other like, Okay,
there's more confirmation. So from now on when
someone says they have a word for you, pull out
your phone and hit record. I've learned that
the hard way because I can remember everything.
That is a good idea. It has been so helpful and
saved my bacon a few times where I thought, I
know they said something like that. Wow. Yeah.
So anyway, next time. So I'm going to do that.
Beautiful. And there is a transition and I can't...
Nor do I want to drop knowledge in the nation,
but I have to put my focus elsewhere because
that is what I'm being told to do. It's a new
chapter, a new season. Yes. But here's the deal.
When you read a book, you don't turn into a new
chapter and then rip the old chapter out of the
book and throw it in the trash. It stays in the
book and it becomes a complete story. So this
is another part of the narrative, a story arc
of your life. But it doesn't go away. No, no,
no, no, no, it's it. This is the hardest part
is How do I you know still keep? Still I still
want to be a part of what that was this is that
this is really the hardest part I get it in fact
Garrett said there's something you idolize you
have to give up and it's probably that It's probably
the old identity But there's a sense of if it
wasn't just me The choice would be so much easier
got it and so I'm Looking for encouragement to
make this move A lot of people won't understand
it, but I hope a lot of people will that's that's
it But again, so there has to be a transition
until I feel that that ship is sailing and and
I'll still be involved in production in right
because I'm good at it and and it and it's It's
something that I enjoy doing and I almost first
nature to you. Yes, and I do it I do it for this
show I do it for myself. So but I feel it has
to be And I continuously hear someone else can
be successful doing this I hear that a lot like
hey, maybe someone else needs to come in here.
It's not all like downhill It's like no this
could actually be fantastic. That's you know,
that's that's that's what I'm feeling So you
you've moved into a new? new season of your life.
You leveled up last year, so you're in year two
of level six, right? Yeah. Yeah. So there you
are, you're what, 61, correct? Yep. Okay. So
there's something that happens even in the developmental
psychology of every man, where you move from
that place of, you're claiming your mountain,
you're building your mountain, you're building
your empire, all that. Something shifts dramatically
around 58, 65, just depends on the individual.
Where you shift from it's all about me to where
now it's all about the next gen Yeah, it's called
legacy thinking you move into legacy mentality
and I think you're really there With no agenda
and that's that's what you're feeling. Yeah,
you're like, I know I need to still be a voice
I mean, I'm kind of daddy. I mean, you know,
yeah not just pod father You're you're what you're
one of two founders. Yeah, so you'll always have
that'll always be a part of you But yet you still
need to you get to move forward, but now you
get to help these guys Yeah, begin to build theirs
and that's exciting. So you're gonna get to mentor
coach. Yeah Disciple if you will. Yeah, these
guys into their their season and I have had a
real I've gotten a real kick out of setting them
up for Thursday show and you know getting them
all you love doing the jingles and the sound
effects and the whole and it's actually like
I'm building interfaces for them, like, oh, this
is going to be so cool, be so easy for them.
If only I had this 10 years ago. So yeah, thank
you. That's a good way of looking at it. Yes.
So, man, I look forward to doing more of this
too. Like maybe not just once a week, but maybe
more than once. Because I think people need it.
And now I'm going to make the smoothest of all
transitions into into a couple of clips. It's
like a record going errr. I don't know how to
get out of it. Slam on the brakes. Speaking of
AI. Right turn. Do you know who Reverend Walter
Kim is? I don't. It's not ringing a bell. He
is supposedly, he speaks for all, for the religious
community. Oh. Well, it's always good to know
I have a spokesperson that I didn't know about.
He is president of the National Association of
Evangelicals. I did not elect him. I'm just saying.
He's there. Disclaimer. But this is always what's
interesting. And I figured that. I've never heard
of this guy. No. But it's good that there's someone
out there talking about faith and artificial
intelligence. But this was such an interesting
conversation because it took place on CNBC, the
financial channel. Which I know why they brought
them in because, you know, everything's in flux
now. Are the Chinese going to win the AI race,
which by itself is just, I mean, we never heard
that China is going to win the Microsoft Office
race. They're going to have a better spreadsheet
before us. You know, you never heard that. So
they're positioning this as like some moonshot.
Right. Like the moon landing. Who's going to
land first? And by the way, let's just be honest.
So we went to the moon. Let's just presume we
went to the moon. Okay, I'm skeptical about the
We might have actually flown around at this time.
We went to the moon What what did we get out
of it? I mean space travel satellites. Yeah,
I'm there we went to the moon. It's a really
bad video What was it what was the what was the
the benefit to science that we went there or
to our lives in directly? Psychological. Well,
there you go. We won. We win. Well, exactly.
So now we're in this place with technology where,
well, we may not win. Meanwhile, nobody's making
any money. I love Lindsey Graham, rest in peace.
Bernie Sanders, who's like, we need to have 50
% of all of these AI models should be part of
the American public should get that money. I'm
like, Bernie. they are burning hundreds of billions
of dollars. We don't want to be responsible for
that. Well, you know my opinion about AI and
where it's at and what it can and what it can't
do. But when I listen to the good Reverend Kim,
there's some reasons for concern and I just wanted
to play a couple clips so we can talk about it
because we both use Robots, artificial intelligence
is just a joke. It's a tool. It's a hammer. Because
we know what the output we need is. It's not
like we're exploring and we say, okay, give me
the reason for the fall of the Roman Empire.
You know, every robot chatbot will give you an
answer and it will be as correct as any other
answer because there's not one reason why the
Roman Empire fell. And that'll just be up to
the training that I got. But some things that
it can do in cross -referencing and researching
where you know the outcome you want, I know the
outcome I need, I can quality control that process
until the thing does it and then it is literally
a robot. It's doing what I need it to do to give
me the result that I already know is the correct
result for me. So it's a robot with a small r.
Thank you. Robot with a small r. There you go.
That's it. That's a t -shirt. That's a title.
Here's the intro to the Reverend Kim. Religious
leaders are increasingly speaking out in warning
against the dangers of artificial intelligence
in a recent op -ed in the Wall Street Journal.
Revered Walters, Kim argues that the speed of
AI developments coming before guardrails can
be put in place, writing, this technology permeating
our lives in ways beyond our awareness, the risks
of AI superintelligence run from economic upheaval
to the concentration of power in the hands of
whatever cooperation or government wins the AI
technology race. Joining us right now is the
president of the National Association of Evangelicals,
Reverend Walter Kim. Reverend, help us understand
where you think all this goes and what you think
the sort of moral implications are. Yeah, thanks
for having me on. You know, let me begin by saying
there is tremendous potential in AI that's already
being realized in virtually every sector of society,
whether it's the optimization of medical care
and its delivery, the diagnoses that are being
improved, much less the actual treatments, education,
and the optimization of workflows. I mean, on
and on and on. There are positive benefits, but
there are also extraordinary harms. whether it's
the encouragement of children committing suicide,
the disproportionate invasions of privacy, lack
of transparency. So I think what we need to pursue
is an approach that involves various sectors
of society to provide guardrails, not a break
to innovation. by guardrails. And this can include
national standards to disclose when AI -generated
content is presented. It includes human oversight
in all the high -stake decisions being made by
AI, in healthcare and education, in the use of
military force, and the development of a global
independent audit agency to see if AI systems
are in fact serving the common good. Okay. The
Good Reverend is all over the map, has no idea
what he's talking about. And what he's saying
is more dangerous than anything. So first of
all, there's a big difference between AI generated
content and medical diagnoses. There's no real
evidence that there's that any of this is happening
or that there's no cure for cancer yet. The only
thing he said that was correct was workflows,
improved workflows. I think he's right there.
But then he confuses. chat bots. And I will remain
that a chat bot is evil. It is because it tricks
your brain into thinking you're talking to a
human being. Yes, that needs to be that should
be actually forbidden. But, you know, who am
I to say? But when you talk about guardrails
and blue ribbon committees, that's never ever,
ever, ever going to work. So You know, this started
off wrong for me, but then I think it's Joe Kern,
and I like that guy a lot, by the way, the old
curmudgeon on CNBC. He goes straight to the real
crux of the matter. Reverend, big picture philosophically,
is there a concern? And I'm not talking about
maybe now or five years or 10 years, but this
is incredible technology that... I don't want
to call it almighty, but in 50 years, it probably
borders on something that is almost, again, I
don't want to say godlike, but we are headed
to something that we've never experienced before.
And that's why there's even something called
the singularity. We don't know what... Do you
know what the singularity is? I don't. I've heard
the term, but I don't know. So the singularity
is a term, it's like a science fiction term,
and I'm... I can't remember who coined it, but
it's where... Man and machine meld and become
one so if you have gotcha the idea is like The
computer is reading your thoughts and executing
things. It's you know, so Elon's talked about
this Well, he has the he has the mind forget
what is called the the probe stuff that you know
connects to the computer But I already believe
if you really look at it on its face Singularity
is where we are melding with chatbots. I mean,
so there's a There's a version of that happening
already. I mean, we are already melded into our
phones. It's just singularity somehow presumes
that the interface is no longer air gapped. It's
connected to you. It's within you. And I think
most of these Silicon Valley guys, I believe
many who are not believers, they would really
like to see this to have eternal life. to live
on, to be uploaded to the cloud and their being,
their mind can be re -uploaded into a new being
on earth. It's just a very sad way of them finding
eternal life. Yeah, who wants to be trapped here?
Let's be real. Let's get honest. We'll continue.
Societies around the world, there are plenty
of societies that are secular at this point that
have seemed to de -emphasize even the notion
of a God or a supreme being. Do you think this
even accelerates the move away from God and from
religion? I think there's a tension here. It's
both and. It's both accelerating movement away
from God in the sense that there is a way in
which this technology is serving the purposes
that one might think of as God. Relationships,
development of human relationships, the kind
of asking for advice, wisdom that could be punched
into a chat bot and then develop into a relationship
that you might normally have with another human
being or religious leader or community. And so,
in some sense, the trust that people are putting
in AI to transform all aspects of society, it
is, as the Pope described in his recent encyclical,
the construction of a Tower of Babel, the trust
in a technology that reflects human hubris that
not only disconnects us from God, but disconnects
us from each other. That's well said. Yeah, well,
how do you… Yeah, tell me about how you feel
about the Tower of Babel comparison there. Yeah,
I think that has never left humankind, that desire
to excel, to rise up, to elevate themselves.
Of course, the first thing that comes to mind
is the World Economic Forum, because I mentioned
it earlier. They're pretty much dead now. It's
off. That thing's kind of unraveled, but in its
heyday, they were attracting some of the most
Prolific thinkers and speakers on the planet
and then they do these forums doesn't mean that
they're right these know if I'm not No Noah Harari
is a is not a good guy in my book I don't like
same as a fear monger and agree and it gets you
on the speaking circuit. Yeah So, that has never
left humankind. We live in a fallen world. We
will continue to be under the curse of the white
witch, so to speak, if you're thinking of Aslan
and, you know, C .S. Lewis, but we'll continue
to live and dwell. We will never fully repair
that here. You know, we're here to occupy until
he returns or to be salt and light. But we only
know that what salt does, it preserves whatever
it touches, right? That's one of the greatest
things. Long before refrigeration, salt was what
saved lives and preserved food and whatnot. Well,
same way we preserve society. We're the conscious
of the state, so to speak, and all of that. So
we're all part of that. But that doesn't mean
that it will not wax worse towards the end if
we are truly in the last of the last days and
Some of the people I really value and appreciate
are saying we're not just in the last days We're
in the last of the last days because so much
is happening right now the acceleration of learning
acceleration of Intelligence whether it's artificial
or real all of these things are happening right
in front of us. I mean even You buy a phone today,
it's out of date tomorrow. Things are moving
so fast. You get a hit song. Even in the church
world, this bothers me. We sing a song and somebody
goes, that was so last year. We sang hymns for
hundreds of years. It didn't bat an eye, but
all of a sudden, that song's old because it was
from last year in 2025. It's just weird how we're
being trained to expect bigger, better, more
constantly because we're feeding our dopamine
addictions. To me, it all feeds in together.
So this search and desire to rise up and to do
it without God, that's the whole point. Godless.
That's the whole point of Marxism, socialism,
communism. It's we can excel, we can rise up,
and we don't need God. And listening to you talk,
that's very interesting because even Elon Musk,
he's probably the biggest progenitor of fear
about the future, which he categorizes, it's
going to be great because you're not going to
need a job. We'll have money for everybody and
however that's going to work and the robots will
be running the world, which is really a type
of socialism. I don't think he even sees it and
he's not a socialist. He's anti -socialist, but
I don't think he sees it. It seems like there's
only two ways that this artificial intelligence
as a moniker can go is either it becomes a god
or what? It's the biggest moneymaker. None of
these things are happening. I have nothing but
friends who are struggling in organizations.
because they're developers, sysadmins, and if
they're honest about things, they can't get a
job. Like, well, you know, so you're doing the
interview, everything's great. And then, well,
how do you feel about AI? Well, you know, I certainly
am more efficient by using it, but it's not really,
you know, you have to be careful, you got to
have the human in the mix. Thank you for your
time. you know, they want to hear someone say,
oh yeah, you know, I'm a superhuman. I'm a hundred
times the guy because I'm token maxing, you know,
all these terms. And people who are in jobs every
single day, an executive comes into their office
and said, well, can't you just throw this in
the AI and just get the answer? You know, here's
this contract, you know, just let's just put
this through AI and so we don't have to do all
that work. And they're like, no, no, it's not.
magic. It doesn't do that. This is the evil part.
The marketing that Silicon Valley companies have
done for this category of product is just purely
evil. They're either telling you that we're all
going to, you know, this, we can't release this
to the public because this could bring all the
banks down and this would be the end of the world
and we can't, the government has to step in to
regulate it so we can always have a mode around
us. You know, all of these things. And it is
insanity. It is absolute insanity for something
that really is quite a wonderful invention, large
language models. It's a screwdriver. Yes, but
they're taking the hammer and saying, if you
don't believe me, this hammer is going to crush
your skull. It's like, stop. You're right. The
fear mongering is out of control. It's interesting.
We call it artificial intelligence. The word
artificial means simulated. By definition. By
definition. It's simulated intelligence. Let's
call it what it is. It's not real intelligence.
It's an amalgam of everything people throw on
the internet, and it just scrapes. Did you look
up the definition of intelligence? Not yet. Even
the word is just such a misnomer. It isn't intelligent,
at least by what I think the definition is, but
you have it there for me. It has several related
meanings, but general definitions, the ability
to acquire and apply knowledge and skills, capacity
to learn, reason, understand, solve problems.
Reason. Reason is where I draw the line. Reason
and solve problems because those go hand in hand
to me or make sound judgments. Yeah, no. The
nuances of the human condition, the nuances of
life and physics themselves just tells you that
a machine will not be able to handle that. It
is a great interface to other computing devices.
So to be able to say, hey, hail hit my Starlink
satellite receiver. What do I do? It can go out.
It can find different results. It can score,
because it's not reasoning. It's scoring based
upon parameters. Comes back, tells you what to
do. It usually would be pretty right, because
that knowledge is out there. talking to it. Actually,
I could not help myself. I wanted to go back
and check some of my own programming as a child
growing up with robots. And what was your earliest
remembrance of a robot? Well, I mean it was from
Lost in Space. I won. I got it. That's so funny.
That is my first understanding. But right away
you hear Will Robinson saying, you go on the
wrong way. And the robots go, roll with the punches.
But this training is... I mean, I have a couple
more clips. They're all pretty short, but I just
got a plan because this is our programming from
early, early on. But it sounds mysteriously and
scarily like today. Why shouldn't I be in love?
I am no different than anyone else. Do you think
I am just an insensitive collection of computer
-oriented nuts and bolts? I have a central turbo
mechanism that feels just like any other robots.
You have your family. Everyone has someone. Except
me. I was all alone until I found her. I will
never be lonely again. We can force you to operate.
You cannot force me to do something I know is
wrong. With alien life forms, ours is not to
reason why. Ours is but to do or become permanently
deactivated. You cannot force me to do something
that is wrong. These are the guardrails. The
guardrails that everybody's talking about. What
was that from? That's classic. It's all lost
in space. Oh, okay. It's wonderful. All of these
are lost in space. Because now, of course, you
kind of hear the guy talking through the tin
can. Totally. It doesn't always sound like...
Well, he was the... Robot B9 is what he was.
Robot B9. Here's the next one. Oh, here we go.
You dare to question my ability... That's the
evil Dr. Smith. It was great. You dare to question
my ability, you scurrilous scatterbrain? I refuse
to answer on the grounds that it might incriminate
me. You can lead a robot to water, but you cannot
make him compute. Easy! That's great. I love
that show. I grew up on that show. But now, listen
to this, because this is so true even today.
I am only the end result of those who programmed
me. Now that may be true, but there's something
more too. Something that doesn't make sense.
You're more than a machine. You're our friend
my computers are deeply affected This is what's
happening today Wow, you know, I'm just Jared
Lanier who is who I think he's the guy who coined
Basically virtual reality was his vision and
he's done a lot. You might have seen he's got
dreadlocks I'm a big guy always dressed in black
and you know kind of like wacky He says Anyone
who's talking to a chat bot I'd like to open
the box and show them what's inside and all you
have to do is show them a picture of The engineers
who put it together you probably will fall out
of love very quickly You always have to think
it that that lost in space clip is the one it's
like I am only part of what put me in there and
So that's knowledge literally scraped from the
internet and there's good and dumb stuff on the
internet and categorized and put into training
processes by the people who did that. It's nothing
more, nothing less. There is no human being in
them. And this is, I don't know if we're ever
going to get through to everybody because I just
see it. And the more I, and I'm so disappointed
by the, by believers in general in the church
sense of the word. Every conference you go to,
there's AI. There's a chatbot. And I have heard
faith leaders. I have heard big names in the
radio and podcast world. I'm talking like huge
names that you would recognize saying, this is
so great. We can't wait to add this to our website,
to our app, so people can explore God. You know,
there's this line. And by the way, they'll say,
it's spot on. Oh, it's spot on. Oh. Yeah, today,
but what is exploring God if you just look for
some scripture? I've caught it in tons of contradictions.
And then when you call it out, it'll apologize
to you like it's a person. Oh. Yes. I'm sorry.
My bad. That's on me. Honest answer. It's like,
what? He's just trying to agree with you. But
I've caught it. You know, I'm out. I'm a hearty,
wind calls the heart. We're going through it
for the second time right now. We're back to
season 11 already. A lot of no agenda people
watching this now. Tina and I got to give it
another shot. They're my people. Got to give
it another shot. But I do a lot of fact checking
or I do a lot of what was going on in 1910. Did
they have those kinds of cars? Did they have
electricity in the Northern territories of Canada?
I ask all kinds of questions and it contradicts
itself constantly. And I just, Annette goes,
so she'll be on perplexity, I'm on chat GPT,
and we'll compare answers. They can be wildly
different apart from one another. But they present
them as, this is the facts. So I did something.
Oh, you did a thing, Pastor Jimmy did a thing.
So while we were talking earlier, I did this,
Sid. Are there any Bible verses? that can be
applied to the potential dangers of using AI
for spiritual counsel. I love asking it questions
about itself. Oh, yes, that is fun, isn't it?
While the Bible obviously doesn't mention artificial
intelligence, it says a great deal where we seek
wisdom, whom we trust for spiritual guidance
and the importance of godly counsel. These passages
can be thoroughly applied to the use of AI in
spiritual matters. James 1 .5, if any of you
lacks wisdom, you should ask God. who gives generously
to all without. It actually did a really good
job on this, but it's telling on itself. That's
the funny thing. It can eat itself. You can prompt
it to actually reveal its own flaws. It's interesting.
It's interesting. it's not God, and it's not
reasoning, and it's not spiritual. If it's spiritual,
it's malevolently spiritual. It's nefariously
spiritual because anything spiritual can be manipulated
because it's so subjective in the way we perceive,
receive, and understand things. I've been wrong
before. Man, I thought I heard a word from God.
I acted on it. It's the dumbest thing I ever
did. I mean, because I didn't really hear God.
Was stepping out in faith I was trying something
and it was it was a lab class experiment gone
bad and so we're all gonna have misses and And
that's part of the human experience right, but
we learn from those misses I don't know if this
learns from anything other than just scraping
more content from the internet more data It learns
outcomes, you know, but it's it's really the
the corpus of a of a large language model is
irrelevant, outdated, subjective to where it
came from. Using it as a tool to do a search,
to categorize a search, perfectly okay. Make
sure it's actually searching. You have to say,
don't get it from your own stuff. Search it online.
which is probably why Gemini is reasonably good.
I love making fun pictures with it, no doubt
about it. Enjoy it while it lasts because this
stuff costs way too much for these companies,
they're gonna start charging you. It's great
for that. Please do not talk to it like a friend.
And improving workflows. It has improved my life
dramatically with workflows. So I can say, put
together all the stuff that I've... put into
this document, make it into a nice list so I
can sit down with Pastor Jimmy and do the show
in 15 minutes. Great workflow. It's just doing
a job. And oh, by the way, it does it 10 times
right. And then the 11th time, like, what happened?
You've had to go back and check it every time.
Oh, that's on me. My bad. I'll own this. You're
right. OK, fine. Wow. And we will be thanking
some people who supported us. Beautiful. But
before we get to that, I have one big one because
tomorrow, there's going to be, actually, I'm
sorry, today, Anthony Fauci, Dr. Fauci is going
to be testifying, I think, before the Senate.
And this is due to, well, obviously, there's
a lot of, you know, there's a lot of issues around
COVID, how it was handled. His personal notes
have been released to the public by Rand Paul.
I have two clips here that is just from, what
is his name now? Because he was a big spokesperson
during the pandemic, Scott Gottlieb. Now, Scott
Gottlieb used to be the FDA commissioner. And
he left the FDA, surprise, surprise to go be
on the board of Pfizer. You know, this is the
revolving door thing. So he's really a promoter
of pharmaceutical products. And most people don't
really like him for it. But I'm playing this
not so much for the information, but more about
when you hear, again, Joe Kernan from CNBC. I
mean, the best stuff comes from there because
they have to get some actual information and
truth for financial investment. But you can hear
Joe Kernan, sophisticated guy. on an NBC station,
which would never have said any of these things
before, questioning Anthony Fauci. And Gottlieb,
of course, is going to kind of play interference
and backpedal a bit. But then at least you'll
get the overview of what's at play here. How
about your buddy Fauci that I've asked you about
in the past? You've defended him quite a bit.
Look, I mean, I don't know what you're referring
to in terms of... I've asked about whether he
orchestrated a cover -up of the lab origin because
of his involvement in making gain -of -function
research possible again in China, which he did.
He knew that would come back to haunt him, and
then basically told his colleagues... go with
the natural origin. It was obvious three years
ago, Scott, to me anyway, and everybody else
that he orchestrated that. Yeah, look, we've
talked about this in a show. I think the evidence
in terms of whether this was human or naturally
derived, I think the side of the ledger that
speaks to this potentially coming out of the
lab has grown over time. We haven't had any new
evidence suggesting that this came out of the
natural origin of spillover. The latest stuff
that came out of him, didn't he know? that it
was likely it was from the lab and go to great
lengths to tell people to destroy emails? Well,
look, and I've looked through the emails, some
of them have been online. I think it's disappointing
to see him trying to suppress alternative opinions,
and that clearly was evidence from the emails.
I thought it was disappointing. Part of it that
also disappointed me was how much he enjoyed
the media associated with... uh... you know the
event in his own appearances i think a lot of
us went on immediately out of his sense of obligation
was a hard time for all of us and it was a hard
time for you i think a lot of us felt uh... obligation
to inform the public and it wasn't particularly
enjoyable i mean i got a lot of threats others
did associate with that and so to see those emails
where he is evidencing some pleasure in the notoriety
that's disappointing it's not just uh... it's
just outrageous okay so There's going to be a
lot said about this testimony today. Rampal totally
set him up with the diaries. I mean, he's literally
like, look how cool I am. People think I'm a
saint with the candles and the rosary beads.
So everyone has seen this. I'm so glad. Thank
you, Jesus, for saving me. I'm a new believer.
I'm a new man. I'm Adam 2 .0. So when this takes
place, it's going to be natural human will and
desire to say, hang him, hang him up. What do
we do? How should we, because this is gonna be
a conversation, everyone's gonna be, yeah, that
guy, you know, we're all so mad. And I believe
him to be pretty guilty of a lot of these things.
How do we, what can we need? Help us pastor Jimmy.
How should we? Well, first of all, this is where
we trust the system and it's hard to do that
because we've had a lot of reasons not to trust
the justice system But the fact that someone
like him is not a trial. This is just a testimony
So right this could lead to this could crack
open some things. Of course. He has a pardon
every time I've seen a Senate Oh, nothing happens.
It's outrage, outrage, outrage. You did this
and then nothing. That's a good point though,
because we're going to be outraged over the fact
that there's nothing happening from the outrage.
So how do we deal with this as believers? Rarely
do we see these. So as a believer, I have to
step back. I'm going to have my flare up. I'm
going to read or see or whatever. I was at the
gym and they were flashing pieces of his journal
up there. I was trying not to watch. There's
like 80 TVs at Planet Fitness in Bernie, Texas.
You're surrounding you've got the view on one
you got Fox right next to Wow I mean you fry
your brain the whole spectrum Yeah, and they're
all saying different things about the same things.
It's hilarious It's so obvious when you put them
all up to teach one each one up up to the other
But I have to literally step back Amir Safardi
who is an odd last name, but he is one of my
favorite spokespersons coming out of the Jewish
faith, Judaism, who's now Messianic. He's a Christian
on fire for Jesus. And he literally says this,
I just read this from him, and we support his
ministry, by the way, it's called Behold Israel.
He said that, I'm done with media. I've pushed
back from all kinds of media. And he said, I've
decided I'm going to get my news from the scripture.
And he said it this way. He said, while the world
wants to know and waits for what's about to happen,
he said, I'm waiting for who is about to happen.
And I love the way he put that because he's like,
okay, enough's enough. Push back from the table
and say, stop the madness. I've watched enough
of these Senate hearings. Everybody has. It's
outrage, outrage, outrage. Everybody yells. Everybody
gets a chance to kind of vent, you know, but
nothing really tends to come of them other than
just press. It's theater. And as a Christian,
I need to push back from that. And, you know,
I look at whatever happens. You and I have talked
about this before. Somebody posts something harsh
against you or me, and it happens all the time.
I've had more this week. And I just go, thank
you for giving me your name. And now I have a
target. I can now pray for you by name. But when
this is the conversation at work, at the dinner
table, I'm struggling with it as well. I'm angry
about it. Do we have to forgive him? Yes. Oh,
man. Ask how many times. Seven times seven times
seventy -seven, seventy -seven. Infinite number.
Infinite number. You know, if it was easy to
be a true, authentic, God -fearing believer.
Everybody would be it. Everybody would do it.
You know, I was thinking the other day, if people
put, because this is how I came to God and to
Jesus, is I looked at it as a conspiracy theory.
I literally said that on Joe Rogan. I said, I've
looked at all of them and I'd heard enough of
this one, like, all right, let me take a look
at this. And it only took two weeks. If everybody
in America, but in the world, spent as much time
as they do going down rabbit holes, and looking
at conspiracy theories, if they just looked at
Jesus, we would have a whole nation of believers
because it's the same amount of work. Do your
own research, people. Seriously, it's amazing
what you will find. Put down your screens. Pick
up your Bibles. Amen, brother. Amen. Come on.
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$50. Thank you so much, Michael. Matthew Williamson
sent us $100, which is $149 .64 in Australia.
It's dollar reduced down there. And he has a
note and he says, good day, Adam and Pastor Jimmy.
I should not try to the accent. My name is Matt.
I'm an Australian army veteran who was medically
discharged in 2021 with back and wrist injuries
among others. This was a huge adjustment for
me in some really tough times. I saw Adam and
Joe Rogan at the start of COVID and started listening
to No Agenda, Podcasting 2 .0, MoFax, Korean
The Keeper, and now we get to do this. Adam,
No Agenda saved me during my discharge from the
army. This is kind of what you're talking about
when you're discharged and then now what? Reentry.
You taught me the dangers of opioids and antidepressants,
two things they love to throw at the veterans.
Because of you and John, I'm no longer dependent
on them from the bottom of my heart and my family's
heart. Thank you. That's great. Just like No
Agenda helped me with my medical discharge, we
get to do this as helping me with the passing
of John. Thanks for the work you both are doing.
Can't wait for the episode to be three hours
long. Whoa. I'm going to need a catheter. I can't
sit here for three hours. Pastor Jimmy, thank
you for being there for Adam during this time.
It means a lot to No Agenda Nation. It's crazy
how much John's passing has affected me. Randomly,
I would just start crying. This never happened
to me for everything. Touches me. I'm hearing
that over and over. I apologize for the long
note. Believe me. It's not long at all by any
standard. But you never know who could help.
Thank you, Matt from North Queensland. Thank
you very much. Thank you, Matt. We appreciate
you. Kathy Rhodes came in with $88 .88 in honor
of JCD's favorite numbers. There's the Pickle
Princess, Jodie White, with $75. I love you guys.
Keep up the good work. I think she's married
to Bo. I'm not sure. I have somehow the feeling
that they're together. Somehow in cahoots. I
got a note from me, it's like I got up and Jody,
I'm like, I don't know, maybe, I don't know,
but I need to get some more. I ordered eight
or ten of those a while back. Oh my goodness.
And I am enjoying them. My goodness. And by the
way, these people are basically producers of
the show, so they get a credit on the episode.
Paul Erskine, $50. Brian at Albright Networks,
$50. It's really good if you send the notes so
I can get your names right. John's Burt, I know
him from other shows, John's BRT, $50, thank
you. Debbie, I don't know Debbie. 4H4, I have
no idea. Well, Debbie, thank you. $50. Steve
Weiss. There's Steve Weiss. Oh, let's see. Great
guy. His wife are amazing. Steve and Stephanie
from Las Vegas. Yeah. Good Bleeds from Steve
and Stephanie in Las Vegas. Is he always Good
Bleeds? I wonder if you meant God bless that
it came out well. I think he meant God bless.
That could have been a typo. Kind of like the
one you sent me today and I said, can you… I
need the gift of tongues, interpretation of tongues
for that one. I'm struggling over here. 3333,
thank you very much, Steve. We appreciate you.
And I think it's D Spellman, which may or may
not be Dwayne. He says V for V, R -I -P -J -C
-D. And we thank you all so much for the value
sent to the podcast. Really appreciate it. W
-G -T -D -T dot com. All right, brother, let's
land this plane. You got something for us? Can
I land it in the scripture? Yeah, I love that.
Please. You know, I'm circling all the way back
to where we started and that was talking about
the Noajinda Nation, which now, praise God, are
becoming the WGTDT. Do we get to doers? I've
got to practice that. Just go WGTDT. That's how
it works. WGTDT. Now, as we're developing our
own community, obviously, it's a one big family.
We need jingles for our domain name. We do. We
need a bell. Today, I would have been bopping
several times. You know you don't have a podcast
until you have a bell. I need a bell. Today,
I'm like, oh, that was bell -worthy. Valid point.
So here it is. First Thessalonians 4 .13 and
14. Brothers. We do not want you to be ignorant
about those who fall asleep," that means pass
away, or to grieve like the rest of men who have
no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose
again, and so we believe that God will bring
with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
There's the key, in Him. Now, in the next verse,
he says, therefore, encourage each other with
these words. So we don't grieve like the world
grieves. We still grieve. I mean, you know, it's
real. Jesus wept when Lazarus passed, even though
not long afterwards. He knew that he could bring
him and would bring him back. He knew what was
going to happen. But yet the human side of Jesus,
Son of Man, he wept. He wept over, but he also
wept over the condition and what it impacted
other people. And you've had that moment where
you're reading these and just going, you know,
it just gets to you. And that's beautiful. But
I love what it says, we do not grieve like the
rest of men who have no hope. That is what we
have in Christ. You can take a lot of things
away, but if you keep your hope, you can get
through anything. And that hope is found only
in Christ. That's right. Amen. Thank you, brother.
Three pointer. Alright everybody, thank you for
supporting us, thank you for listening. We'll
be back next Wednesday. We get to do this!