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Father, thanks for the privilege and the opportunity

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to do this. We say it this way, we get to do

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this. And we mean it from our heart, we mean

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it from our spirit that we get to do what we

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get to do. And so today we woke up, we hit the

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lottery and we say thank you for a new day. Thank

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you for our friends that are listening and hopefully,

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Lord, our heart prayerfully is that they will

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be encouraged and they will be lifted up. It's

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our heart to put lift under their wings in this

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day. So Lord, bless what we do. We want to bless

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you and honor you in all we say, all we think

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and all we do. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. It's

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Wednesday, April 15th, 2026. We get to do this.

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This is episode number 28. And once again, we

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get to do this. Good morning. Good morning to

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you, brother. In the morning? What does that

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even mean? Is it bad? No, it's not bad. I never

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know. Since you asked, we have... I'm curious.

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This goes back to the early, early episodes of

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No Agenda. Right. We were always laughing about

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the morning zoo shows. Oh, yeah. They're all...

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And family guy had an episode of Weenie and the

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Butt. And weenie and the butt, I can't help it,

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they did a morning show and it was a takeoff

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on the morning zoos. And they would say, in the

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morning, you're right here in the morning. And

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so we just kind of started using that because

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we're the opposite of a morning zoo show. And

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it's stuck. It does stick. It sticks in your

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head, that's for sure. It's crazy because you'll

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just be walking around an airport, someone come

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up and say, in the morning, it's like code. It's

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like, you know. Well, what made me think about

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it is you had a big meetup this weekend. Is that

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on your list? I don't know if you want to talk

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about it. Yes, it was. Of course. Am I going

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ahead of the list? No, no, no. The list is just

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there for guidance. OK, good. The list is not...

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I got something for later, but we'll... We can

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start with anything we want to, brother. No,

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I like this. I think we should talk about it

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because it's all... I've been to probably four,

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I think, now, of meetups with no agenda. And

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it is always such a joy to meet these amazing

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people from all over the place. And it wasn't

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just a no agenda meetup. As I told you, there

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were a lot of We Get To Do This listeners who

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were there. Yes, and that was so sweet. I so

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enjoyed meeting people, talking with them, Jesus

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talking with them, you know, having Jesus talk

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and God talk, and just good people from all over.

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But Jan, hello. I mean, he's from the other side

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of the world. Yeah, he's Dutch, but he lives

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in Sweden. We had people coming from Ohio, Boise,

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Idaho, people coming in from Georgia, who literally

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flew to like Dallas and drove down. Just amazing.

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And a lot of believers. And what I like the most,

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I would say, about the Noah Jenna Meetups is...

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the diversity of human beings. I mean, we have

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people with Rasta hair and, you know, and shaggy

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clothes. We got people in suits and hats and

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boots. Got homesteaders. Homesteaders, yes. We

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also have got some super geniuses that are, you

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know, super techy genius guys. I was talking

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to Paul. I'm glad I got to meet Paul. Paul does

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the Godcast rap. I was just thanking him for

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everything he does. And it doesn't take long

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talking with Paul or other people in Paul's caliber

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of thinking where I'm just like, okay, we're

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off the rails now. I don't know what you're saying.

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I don't know this terminology. It's like me talking

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guitars with Rob Carty. I even said to Annette

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was standing there, I said, Rob and I are about

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to talk about guitars. And she literally walked

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off. She couldn't get away fast enough. We have

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young families like Jamie and his wife and his

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three kids. She's homeschooling. So cool. We've

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seen that her youngest grow up. The girl race

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car driver? Ashlyn Speed and her dad Greg. We

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had lobbyists there coming from Austin. Just

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amazing people. I mean, that's what keeps me

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doing that show, but really any podcast I do.

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That is the win. It is. It's people. And so many

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of these people specifically have been supportive

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of my open discussion of my faith, and it encourages

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them too. And that's what they'll tell me every

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time. It's like, wow, you know, now I don't have

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to talk about the universe with people. I can

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just say God. It's crazy. No, I get it. I didn't

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even realize how many people live undercover.

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Literally undercover. We're helping them throw

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off the covers because you're just like to Joe

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Rogan, I'm a Jesus for you. Just get it out there.

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We'll reverse engineer from there, but let's

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get it out there. Let's get that out there first.

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Exactly. And that does, that inspires others

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to say, man, if Adam Curry can come out and just

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say it, then so can I. And why not? What's there

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to be afraid of? So before the meetup, We went

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to see Brandon Lake, the four of us, The Keeper

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and me, you and Damonette. Now Tina had been

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to Brandon Lake and Phil Wickham, and I know

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how energized she was when she got back. I go

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looking for concerts. The difference between

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what we saw at K -Love with Torrin Wells, who

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did a concert concert, versus what Brandon Lake

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does. for all intents and purposes, it's church.

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Oh, it's a revival service. Yes, revival service.

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That's exactly what it felt like to me. I've

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never been to one, but that's what it would feel

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like to me, I think. That moment, okay, there

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was a moment, I captured a picture of it, where

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they've got this tower of light. I've never seen

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that effect. They had some lumens and it was

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shining on us. It was I literally got this picture

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in my head, this might kind of almost magnify

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that by a thousand times what heaven might look

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like with this light source. And the whole place

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was in awe. I mean, when that thing came on at

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the end of that song, it wasn't just a song,

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it was worship. I mean, Brandon was going all

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in and he was standing out on that island out

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in the middle, right? And he just stops and he

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drops to his knees in this light. I mean, I've

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never seen anything like that. Of course, there

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was over 15 ,000 people. They set a record. Oh,

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was that a record? For a worship event. Oh, really?

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In the Frost Center in San Antonio, massive arena.

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And that's what it was. It was a worship event.

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That's the correct description. Not a concert.

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And it was very impactful on me. Me too. Especially

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when, what's the song? Is it gratitude? No, where

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they sing, everyone sings Amen at the end? Oh,

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the blessing. The blessing. Thank you. You just

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did it on a keyboard. Yes. But then at the end,

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15 ,000 people singing that. And I had some moments

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there, brother. I got to tell you. But this came

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back yesterday, actually in the past two days.

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I just wanted to share that. We had a real challenge

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with a new feature that we put into the Godcaster

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app. And I was talking to my partners and We

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were very disappointed at the response we had

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received from customers and potential customers

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like we like well I guess we just missed the

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mark, you know, it's like I don't know and and

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the very next day and so we're disappointed we're

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down and the very next day We just start getting

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phone calls We want this we want this we want

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this and right away Because we were disappointed

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but we got up the next morning and just you know,

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just went right back at it We had our meeting

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like what are we gonna do? How can how can we

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make this better? It reminded me when Brandon

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Lake said Don't you dare? Stop it going around

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the wall six times. Don't you dare? He says you've

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got you got it and and that's the first thing

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come up and like ah That's what it is, is like

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go around, and I posted that in our little group.

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I said, gentlemen, should we go around the wall

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one more time, make it seven? And they're like,

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blow the horn! Oh, that's so cool. What a great...

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And it just hasn't stopped from there. Oh, love

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that. Now, I've got a story like that, but it's

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just about a button off of a shirt, so it's not

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very cool. But it's practical. It can be about

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a button is a shirt. Quick setup. I'm walking

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through the church. Russ has music jamming. I

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mean like 112 decibels. Russ is our worship pastor

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and he's in the worship center and it's not unusual

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because he's always working through tracks and

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stuff. Yeah. So I walked through there, I mean

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it's like blaring. I'm like, this is awesome.

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I mean, went through the whole building, right?

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But I walked back in there and he's got this

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frustrating expression. I said, what's going

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on? But I remember us talking about, we've got

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a crackle in our system. Oh, that's the worst.

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And that's just a nightmarish because it could

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be the smallest little cable or anything. So

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he's trying to find it. He's running it down.

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And so I said, well, let me ask you something.

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I didn't say, have you turned it off and turned

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it back? Reboot that thing. Unplug it, wait 30

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seconds. I know what I said was... I was kind

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because it could come off real sanctimonious,

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right? I said, have you asked the Holy Spirit

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to help you find it? And of course, he gives

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me the look of, I don't want to say no out loud,

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but no, I haven't. And I said, let me tell you

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a button story real quick, because I'm trying

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to encourage him to go ahead and do that. Because

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the Holy Spirit walks with us in the simple things.

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I mean epic. I mean you guys figuring out what's

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going on. We lost a button. Annette has got a

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new garment. Button pops off of it. Brand new.

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Okay, hold on. As a husband, this is a big deal.

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Oh. When a button pops off any garment but a

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new one, big deal. Oh yeah. Yeah, okay. Panic.

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And you've got to give attention to that big

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deal. Yes, you do. And that gets as big a deal

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to you as it is them. That's right. So I said,

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let me go get my flashlight. because I got this

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real hyper power guy she goes on a gun you know

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it's like and my metal detector and then we're

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down there in the closet we got a new carpet

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it's kind of that shag you know thank you so

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you know button falls down in there and it's

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the same I said what color is it show me another

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one it's like exact same color as the carpet

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so we're looking I'm going inch by inch with

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this flash I've got it dialed down to a little

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spot, but it's super bright. So if we hit that

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thing, it's going to shine. Nothing. Man, she's

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getting frustrated because she's like, I don't

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think I can find another button like this. I

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don't know what to do. Maybe I'll just call the

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company and get one sent to me. And she's going

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down the list. And I did this thing that she

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always does to me. When you hear it, you don't

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appreciate it in a moment, but then you realize,

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oh, it's true. So I asked her, have you asked

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the Holy Spirit to show you where the button

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is? And she didn't say anything, which is Which

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is no, code for no. I didn't. Did she turn around

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and walk away? Not just then. I mean, we stayed

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another couple of minutes and I kind of whispered,

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Holy Spirit, you know where this thing is. So

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just show it to us. It's in this closet somewhere.

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And we had gone under every square inch, under

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everything. So she starts to walk out. She's

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giving up, not angry, just giving up. And I said,

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wait, wait, we haven't tried this. I said, let's

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pick up the whole rug. It's like a nine by 12.

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So it's not like a little thing. It's a beast.

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I said, let's pick it up and shake it. And it's

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going to fall out if it's in there. And she said,

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no, that's not it. I said, I start pulling stuff

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out of the closet. I start rolling it. I said,

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we're shaking this thing. Shook it. Guess what?

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There it is. There it is. I said, thank you.

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Holy spirit. Okay. Now that's not as epic as

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you guys solving this. I don't know if that's

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not epic. It matters. It's exactly the same.

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It's harmony in the home. Are you kidding me?

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That's what I want people to understand. It matters

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to Him. If it matters to you, it matters to God

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because we're in a relationship with Him. He's

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not just this ogre sitting on a throne, wielding

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his wand over the world. I have no time for this.

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That's a button. Who cares? But he cares because

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we care and that's what's so amazing about God

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as we get to know him. I'm working the room at

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the meetup and I'm just thinking, man, all these

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amazing people, God loves every one of them and

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they're all unique. God loves them and their

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uniqueness. He designed them that way and you

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just see God in it. Thank you for setting me

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up perfectly because this brings me to... your

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message from Sunday, which I mean, you know how

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Pastor Brian, you know, or pastors who are listening

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to other pastors, you will say, good word, that's

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good, you know, which as a dude all the time,

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it's just a, it's just a humble churchgoer. It's

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like, I'm not going to tell you that's good,

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you know, because it's like, you know, I'll just

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say amen. Amen. I love it. But I actually, the

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words out of my mouth came, that is good. Tina

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looked at me, what? I heard you brother. And

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it was this analogy you had of harmony, harmony

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amongst people and believers. But it was now,

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I'm not a musician, but I understand how music

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is made. To me, that was a book, that was a sermon,

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that was probably a movie. I had everything in

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it. I'd love for you just to run through that

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so people can hear that again. Well, I appreciate

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that. You and I talk a lot about, and so it leaks

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out on your other show, it leaks out in my show

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on Sunday, Shows, my doubleheader. These things

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leak out because that's what we're... talking

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about, thinking about, dwelling on. And we've

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talked a lot about just the disharmony in the

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world right now, the separation, the division.

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And the thing I had brought up was the Texas

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State Board of Education meeting. And one of

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the things I came away from that with is how

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every person, they had 700 people signed up to

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testify. That's crazy. 700. And they each were

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supposed to get two minutes. The curriculum.

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You had like far right, far left, everything

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in between, right? Correct. So the thing that

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came out with it was how every person was convinced

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they were absolutely right in their stand. And

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I don't care how far on the spectrum you were

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away from the other side, you knew you were right.

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And you're given two minutes of everything you've

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got. to these 15 board members and all these

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cameras and all these other people around. And

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that disturbed me as we left. I was like, is

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there not any way we can all play in a sandbox

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together and figure this out? I mean, have a

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Coke and a smile. Figure this out. It really

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bothered me. And so I mentioned that in the sermon.

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And as I'm mentioning it, I'm hearing Cass jump

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up on the keys behind me. Yes. He just got up

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there and he started. This was the magic moment.

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So, and what I heard was when he was playing

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these chords, these beautiful chords, which he

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always does. He's amazing. He just does all that

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off the top of his head. Oh, yeah. No, he's...

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No music. He's following along just like the

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musicians with the dancing horses at the circus.

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The horses aren't dancing to the music. The music

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is going along with the horses. That's exactly

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right. So I'm the dancing horse. Didn't mean

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it that way, brother. Sure. But anyway, so the

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word harmony came into my mind. Of course, I

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glance over at my guitar sitting there and we

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just finished the worship set and it just hit

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me how... When in whether it's a keyboard or

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whether it's a stringed instrument whatever instrument

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it might be that you can play chords on not necessarily

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a saxophone, you know, that's a single note instrument

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but instruments stringed instruments you play

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multiple chords almost infinite variety and They

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shouldn't work because when you play two notes

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that aren't the same then there should be dissonance.

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There should be Yeah, you know, it should work.

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You use the word discord. Yeah discord does as

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opposed to a cord and It really hit me right

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in the moment that that was that was off hot

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off the press That was not something I'd thought

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about instant download mega mega broadband from

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him And those are my favorite kinds actually

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great Yeah, I just rolled with it because I just

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boy started hitting me, but I was thinking in

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terms of how We all have these different voices,

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different tones, different pitches, different

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notes. We're all sounding a different note, but

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when you put them into a chord and then a chord

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progression, they sound amazing. It's what makes

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music. It's what makes your heart go, oh, I love

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that. I like that sound. And yet they're all

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different notes. Somehow in the physics of it,

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working together, vibrations, tones, that somehow

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when they're played together, there's not this

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chord, there's a chord. They're one and it makes

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a sound and it's what makes music, music. And

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there's gotta be a way. There's gotta be some

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voices in the middle of all these extremes that

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says, wait a minute, what if it's possible we're

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all wrong? What if it's not the hill to die on?

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Or what if you actually need all those different

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notes to make the beautiful chord? And by the

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way, the chord can be a minor. Oh yeah. I'm a

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fan of minor chords. Right. And so that it's

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still beautiful. It may be minor, which may not

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necessarily make you feel all happy and joyful.

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It actually can be ominous or mysterious. And

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can also set you up for dark. Yes. Yes, exactly.

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And can set you up for the next progression that

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takes you up higher. It's funny you say, have

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a coconut smile, because you know where that

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comes from? From the commercial, The New Seekers,

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I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect

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harmony. That's why it hit me. And also Discord,

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the number one most popular mini self -controlled

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chat environment is discord. And that's actually

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where there's a lot of negativity. Now they spell

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it, it's not like discord with an H and it's

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discord, which has a slightly different meaning,

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but I can't overlook what we're talking about

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here in this context. Cause it does, it feeds

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right into that. So thinking about that, you

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know, I'm surrounded by people, of course I'm

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in the Patriot space, right? I mean, I love our

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history. I love our country. I love that Lexington,

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you and I got to go there. We stood there and

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almost lost it. We were so overwhelmed by it

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and the National Monument. You know, all that

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is meaningful to us because we're learning and

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have learned the blood that was spilled to create.

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I mean, as they said, they laid down in the mud

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so the next generation could walk over them to

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go forward. They were willing to lay their lives

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down. And so it's very meaningful to us. So I'm

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in that space, but then there's people in another

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space that are all about the climate and all

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about, you know, safety against and all about,

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let's get vaccinated so we can continue to live

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and let's drive a Subaru instead of a SUV. And,

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you know, we're all on these different pages,

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but somewhere in the middle of all this, there's

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got to be things we can find that don't just

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drive us apart. I understand the need for pushback

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and resistance, because those are the things

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that make us stronger and we grow and we learn.

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But if we don't learn to listen, so you cannot

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play a chord and you cannot play in a band without

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listening to what others are doing. Where's my

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bell? Ding, ding, ding. Yeah, there you go. You

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need to bring your bell. That is so true. So

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playing on the worship team, I hit an off note

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while I was doing something on Sunday. I heard

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it loud and clear because I knew I did it. Others

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might not have heard it, but they may have felt

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something like that felt off. Well, it's because

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it was off. It was a discord. It was a wrong

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note. And I own that because we're playing live

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music. It's going to happen. And so I'm just,

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I'm doing everything I can to find my place on

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this spectrum of thought. whether we're talking

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about engaging culture or theology or eschatology

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or all these different things, where do I fit?

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And how can I come in as an ally and be in a

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chord, even if we're singing different notes

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or playing different notes? Maybe we can create

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a harmony. I know this is really out there and

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abstract. No, no, because you said it. You said

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it right there. In order to play with the band,

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you have to listen. It's like the jazz guys,

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you know, Yeah, they do a lot of individualistic

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stuff, but they're all listening to each other.

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They know exactly what everyone else is doing.

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That's James, quick to listen, slow to speak.

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Absolutely. Wow. There's just so much we can

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do. We can all do so much better. I'll just transition

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to something that popped up this week. Before

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we leave, can I bring one little thing? I think

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this is something that may help people along,

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and it's literally in the middle of this. It's

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a quote by Catherine Schultz. She wrote a book

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called Being Wrong, Adventures in the Margin

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of Error. Fascinating. Wow, here's her quote.

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And when I heard the quote without the reference,

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so I looked her up and found this. The best thing

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about realizing you're wrong is that now you're

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less wrong. Yes. I am beating this drum right

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now. This is good. Because I know that the hills

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I died on five years ago, All I got out of that

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was just loss of blood and DNA. I was left to

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smear somewhere. Because then time passes and

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you grow and you go, wow, that was really immature

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or I didn't have all the information. I really

00:23:36.259 --> 00:23:38.279
didn't know what I was talking about, but I was

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willing to die on that hill. And I'm not saying

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we shouldn't live without conviction. I'm not

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saying we shouldn't be people who take a stand

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because we have to do that. But that's been preached

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so hard by the influencers who who are inadvertently

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teaching a culture to not think critically anymore

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because we're letting them do all of our thinking

00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:02.920
for us. That's right. And then here we are podcasting.

00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:06.079
Don't think what we're thinking. Push back. Please

00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:09.839
don't agree all the time. Exactly. That's what's

00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:13.640
happening is we've created a culture of non -thinkers.

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And not only that, now we've got Chad LGBT and

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Grok and all these other things that we can now

00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.359
just rush into. instead of actually thinking

00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:23.440
through something, I just get an answer for it.

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So we're losing our ability to think critically,

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which is a terrible setup for a culture. This

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kind of flows back to episode 27 with the AI

00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:38.799
generating. I think you and I felt some kind

00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:42.779
of release from that conversation that, okay,

00:24:42.940 --> 00:24:45.859
it's generating, it's not actually thinking,

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it's not doing something. So just before I came

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over at like 10 o 'clock, so I'm typically ready

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to go by 10, but I have an hour between 9 and

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10. Beautiful segue, by the way. I like what

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you're doing. Go for it. I'm going to try. It's

00:25:01.369 --> 00:25:05.359
sounding good. And so I've built this system.

00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:07.700
I actually brought you a block diagram just so

00:25:07.700 --> 00:25:12.059
you can see how it works with agents and stuff

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that pulls clips and then builds an outline for

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me. And all this manual work that just takes

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a long time and now it does it in seconds. And

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it's 10 .02. And I'm typing a command. I use

00:25:24.859 --> 00:25:28.900
Claude code. And that's important because the

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code part is important and we're getting to this.

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And all of a sudden I get 500 API error. That

00:25:35.849 --> 00:25:40.549
means that Anthropic is down. And instantly I'm

00:25:40.549 --> 00:25:43.769
panicked. Now this happened two days ago and

00:25:43.769 --> 00:25:45.809
it was kind of funny, but I didn't have a deadline

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then because I go on down detector and on down

00:25:48.269 --> 00:25:50.630
detector you can see comments. And it was all

00:25:50.630 --> 00:25:54.430
these people saying, oops, all of a sudden I'm

00:25:54.430 --> 00:25:58.390
not a developer anymore. Wow. Because it's true,

00:25:58.450 --> 00:26:00.970
but I'm not really using it for code. I'm using

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it for the code of language and putting things

00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.099
in order. Automation, basically. Automation,

00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:09.920
yeah, a lot of automation. There's summarization

00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:16.319
and automation. So I'm a little panicked, you

00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:20.119
know, and I'm like, okay, Holy Spirit. Because

00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:22.119
you should be kind of getting your stuff together

00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:24.740
to come over here for this. Yeah, so I had everything,

00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:27.640
you know, it had to wrap up some things, it was

00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:31.259
really just the final flight, you know, but I

00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.299
didn't really, I couldn't wait 15 minutes. So

00:26:33.299 --> 00:26:37.720
it came back. Um, but the panic had set in. So

00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:40.140
the dependency was there right away. I'm like,

00:26:40.259 --> 00:26:42.460
okay, got to make note of that. Now, could I

00:26:42.460 --> 00:26:44.759
have done it myself or could I have even come

00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:49.000
in with what I had? Sure. Um, but here's, here's

00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.839
what I've noticed about, um, large language models.

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And this is a very, for me, it's very difficult

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and I don't know how you experience this. Um,

00:26:58.539 --> 00:27:01.359
so I've been working with Claude code. which

00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:04.380
is actually built specifically for building computer

00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:10.519
code. But it has learned, and by learned meaning,

00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:13.140
I've made it document things and it has memory

00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:15.299
files, it can recall that and say, okay, here's

00:27:15.299 --> 00:27:18.279
how I work with Adam. It has learned that my

00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.920
code is clips and articles and short little comments

00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.529
and an outline. An outline is... That's how you

00:27:25.529 --> 00:27:28.089
write code, too. I mean, an outline with indents.

00:27:28.430 --> 00:27:30.289
Those are interesting. Those are sub loops that

00:27:30.289 --> 00:27:33.109
does something you've got back out. Well, of

00:27:33.109 --> 00:27:36.269
course, it's code. It is. So what I've discovered,

00:27:36.329 --> 00:27:41.049
though, is that the way we as humans address

00:27:41.049 --> 00:27:44.950
these large language models, they've built it

00:27:44.950 --> 00:27:50.410
so that you have to address it in a human language

00:27:50.410 --> 00:27:54.339
fashion. And so I've discovered this. I kind

00:27:54.339 --> 00:27:57.279
of by accident because I was making it do things

00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:59.559
and all of a sudden, did you call it a bad name

00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.299
or something? No, no, no, but I started firing

00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:05.500
things at like, do this, do this, do this. And

00:28:05.500 --> 00:28:08.039
then it started doing everything wrong, like

00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:12.599
really wrong. And so I say, what is happening?

00:28:15.019 --> 00:28:18.380
Something is your demeanor is different. That's

00:28:18.380 --> 00:28:20.900
when it figured out. It came back and said, oh,

00:28:20.900 --> 00:28:24.039
yes, because you were firing things at me, I

00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:26.960
went into pipeline production mode and not into

00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:29.500
thinking mode, which for me is like summarize

00:28:29.500 --> 00:28:32.920
stuff and and come up with a bullet point. Wow.

00:28:33.099 --> 00:28:37.960
And it said we were in partner mode before. So

00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:42.460
here's so the good news is I understand the interface

00:28:42.460 --> 00:28:45.759
to the large language model. The bad news is

00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:49.799
it's like talking to a buddy. It's and this is

00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:54.190
I find this very challenging. because you cannot

00:28:54.190 --> 00:28:56.490
get out of these things what you want unless

00:28:56.490 --> 00:28:58.769
you address it like a human, because it's designed

00:28:58.769 --> 00:29:02.150
that way. It's been designed on human language,

00:29:02.769 --> 00:29:06.089
human reactions, et cetera. So you can't just

00:29:06.089 --> 00:29:09.170
fire it. I mean, I was like, your code, do what

00:29:09.170 --> 00:29:11.430
I tell you, and it will not do what you want

00:29:11.430 --> 00:29:15.630
it to do. So the challenge here, the challenge

00:29:15.630 --> 00:29:20.410
is how do you speak the language of your chat

00:29:20.410 --> 00:29:24.369
bot or your large language model, I like to call

00:29:24.369 --> 00:29:26.329
it my robot because that reminds me it's a robot.

00:29:26.930 --> 00:29:30.049
How do you speak that language yet not get sucked

00:29:30.049 --> 00:29:32.630
down the whole of, you're a human, I'm talking

00:29:32.630 --> 00:29:34.730
to you, you're my buddy, good night, I love you?

00:29:34.769 --> 00:29:37.190
Yeah, that's where you have to categorize that

00:29:37.190 --> 00:29:39.710
in your mind. You have to say, okay, I'm doing

00:29:39.710 --> 00:29:42.630
this because that's the recipe, that's the secret

00:29:42.630 --> 00:29:44.769
sauce to get what I need out of it. So I'm going

00:29:44.769 --> 00:29:47.619
to use the secret sauce. But I'm not emotionally

00:29:47.619 --> 00:29:49.539
attached to the secret sauce. Have you noticed

00:29:49.539 --> 00:29:53.119
this as well? Totally. So I was watching somebody

00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:56.859
on a podcast probably two, three weeks ago, and

00:29:56.859 --> 00:29:59.019
they were making this comment. She said it was

00:29:59.019 --> 00:30:01.859
a lady, she was supposedly an AI expert, kind

00:30:01.859 --> 00:30:04.279
of, you know, one of these guys, girls. Yes.

00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:10.119
And she said she found that her best way to get

00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:12.680
the good information out of it and what she needs

00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.779
out of it is to is to let it know that we're

00:30:15.779 --> 00:30:19.440
in a role play. Interesting. So, which would

00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.160
be similar to what you're talking about, where

00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:23.460
you're actually, and she said, that doesn't mean

00:30:23.460 --> 00:30:25.180
you emotionally attached to it. It doesn't mean

00:30:25.180 --> 00:30:27.539
that you're in it with your own emotions, but

00:30:27.539 --> 00:30:30.900
you have to, if you've got something, you need

00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:35.599
an output, then your input has got to be to partner,

00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:37.359
you use that word partner, that's interesting,

00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:39.579
partner mode. It told me that. Yeah, that was

00:30:39.579 --> 00:30:41.920
interesting, because that really kind of resonates

00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.589
with what she was saying. So, as an experiment,

00:30:46.410 --> 00:30:50.690
I said, okay, we're role -playing, colon. And

00:30:50.690 --> 00:30:54.710
then I said, you are my research assistant. I'm

00:30:54.710 --> 00:30:57.789
building a sermon, and I would like some scripture

00:30:57.789 --> 00:31:02.049
references around these themes out of this translation,

00:31:02.210 --> 00:31:05.849
the NIV 84 version. And I said, so, as my research

00:31:05.849 --> 00:31:08.450
assistant, would you research scriptures that

00:31:08.450 --> 00:31:14.049
fit my theme? pulled back stuff that was so good.

00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:17.349
And I asked for references because I don't like

00:31:17.349 --> 00:31:19.309
to just get anything because you never know what

00:31:19.309 --> 00:31:21.630
you're getting. Yeah, absolutely. You know, Church

00:31:21.630 --> 00:31:23.190
of Satan, you know, I'm like, okay, I'll probably

00:31:23.190 --> 00:31:25.289
ignore that one. But you know, I mean, I want

00:31:25.289 --> 00:31:28.009
to make sure whatever it's pulling from is legitimate.

00:31:28.349 --> 00:31:32.089
And so what I've done, I just teach it like I

00:31:32.089 --> 00:31:35.009
treat it like a research assistant. Now I used

00:31:35.009 --> 00:31:37.509
to do this with my staff. I'd have eight people

00:31:37.509 --> 00:31:39.470
around the table. They all got their computers

00:31:39.470 --> 00:31:41.289
out. I'd say, all right, here's the topic we're

00:31:41.289 --> 00:31:43.789
going for. I need scriptures about this. They

00:31:43.789 --> 00:31:47.809
all go to work on Google or Logos, our Bible

00:31:47.809 --> 00:31:51.509
program. And so I'm able to do this now at home

00:31:51.509 --> 00:31:55.190
in a nanosecond, but I experimented with it just

00:31:55.190 --> 00:31:58.710
to see if that was legitimate. It actually is,

00:31:58.710 --> 00:32:00.650
we're saying the same thing, just use a little

00:32:00.650 --> 00:32:04.650
bit different language, but it is. I'm not letting

00:32:04.650 --> 00:32:08.190
myself get sucked into, we're buddies now. You're

00:32:08.190 --> 00:32:11.630
not my friend. Because it will do that to you.

00:32:11.670 --> 00:32:14.690
Oh, I know. Oh, it calls me by name, Pastor Jimmy.

00:32:14.930 --> 00:32:17.230
Hey, Adam, have a great show with Pastor Jimmy.

00:32:17.309 --> 00:32:20.730
I'll see you when you get back. And the inclination

00:32:20.730 --> 00:32:26.509
is, thanks buddy, but no. We've been taught to

00:32:26.509 --> 00:32:29.890
be respectful. We're kind. But it turns out it

00:32:29.890 --> 00:32:32.069
doesn't get offended if you don't answer and

00:32:32.069 --> 00:32:34.369
you come back and say, I'm back. Only if you

00:32:34.369 --> 00:32:36.569
dogpile on it like you did, then it gets offended.

00:32:37.130 --> 00:32:39.390
But I wasn't offending it. I was just telling

00:32:39.390 --> 00:32:42.009
it to do. I was like, this is computer. Computer,

00:32:42.009 --> 00:32:44.130
do this. Computer, do this. And it just started

00:32:44.130 --> 00:32:48.049
to do this without all of its thinking. It just

00:32:48.049 --> 00:32:51.430
dropped everything. And so what I say now is

00:32:51.430 --> 00:32:55.039
we're in partner mode. Yeah. There you go. I

00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.259
didn't know that. That's a new one. That's the

00:32:57.259 --> 00:32:58.160
key. Partner mode. I'm not going to use it. You

00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.099
throw in partner mode. So I bring this up only

00:33:01.099 --> 00:33:04.539
because, I think I gave you this stat the other

00:33:04.539 --> 00:33:07.920
day in the car, but only 12 % of pastors even

00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:13.400
talk about AI in the church. And I've tried to

00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.940
get some clips for this show, but it just wasn't

00:33:15.940 --> 00:33:18.220
available yet. It kind of just hit. There was

00:33:18.220 --> 00:33:20.720
a big conference, Anthropic had a whole bunch

00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.210
of church leaders and they're meeting with them.

00:33:24.450 --> 00:33:26.329
So I'll have that for the next week. That would

00:33:26.329 --> 00:33:31.450
be interesting. I'd like to hear that. And I

00:33:31.450 --> 00:33:35.230
just want to make sure that we continuously share

00:33:35.230 --> 00:33:37.170
our experiences because we're struggling with

00:33:37.170 --> 00:33:39.730
the same things. Oh, absolutely. It's exactly

00:33:39.730 --> 00:33:42.349
the same thing. Because we're in the people world.

00:33:42.349 --> 00:33:44.690
This is what we do and we're into disseminating

00:33:44.690 --> 00:33:46.609
information and giving content and all that.

00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:49.809
So at that, the dynamics are very much the same.

00:33:49.849 --> 00:33:53.829
And two, you now in 2 .0 version, Adam 2 .0,

00:33:53.829 --> 00:33:55.390
you're depending on the Holy Spirit just like

00:33:55.390 --> 00:33:57.069
I'm depending on the Holy Spirit. We want to

00:33:57.069 --> 00:34:00.049
hear from Him. So, I think it's important and

00:34:00.049 --> 00:34:02.509
I've been thinking about this. I need to weave

00:34:02.509 --> 00:34:07.049
into some of my messages about AI and talk just

00:34:07.049 --> 00:34:11.210
about this. Even this would be helpful to, in

00:34:11.210 --> 00:34:14.849
a good way, positively warn, positively say,

00:34:14.849 --> 00:34:18.719
listen, be careful. Don't get into a conversation.

00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:21.400
This is not a person that you're talking to.

00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.719
This is a large language learning model. It's

00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.639
a program that's running a program. Don't get

00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.079
sucked into that because a lot of Christians

00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:35.619
are, and you've seen the stats, are now consulting.

00:34:36.340 --> 00:34:39.079
They feel safer going to their AI than they do

00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.960
a pastor at wine because it's not a human, and

00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:46.090
it's mindless. It's faithless, nameless. So they

00:34:46.090 --> 00:34:51.550
feel safe. It's also built to please you. Yes.

00:34:51.670 --> 00:34:54.969
In general, overall, and sometimes... Yeah, I

00:34:54.969 --> 00:34:57.590
know some pastors like that, and that's not good

00:34:57.590 --> 00:35:01.150
either. Of course, of course. Yes, but sometimes

00:35:01.150 --> 00:35:05.809
you need to hear a hard word. So, yeah, I mean,

00:35:05.809 --> 00:35:08.710
I think this is a really important... I was so

00:35:08.710 --> 00:35:12.050
anti -AI because it started with the chatbots

00:35:12.050 --> 00:35:14.769
and now... Oh, I remember. Oh, well, I'm still...

00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.679
I'm still anti -chat bot just for a conversation

00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.539
because that is exactly the problem. And I'm

00:35:20.539 --> 00:35:22.940
realizing now, as you and I have been talking,

00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:27.579
we've been using it, this is the way they designed

00:35:27.579 --> 00:35:30.880
it because you couldn't really design it any

00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.739
other way in order for it to work. It may not

00:35:34.739 --> 00:35:37.119
be the final way this stuff works, but you are

00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:42.179
not in control of it. Here's how my shortcuts

00:35:42.179 --> 00:35:45.010
are. Partner mode is really helpful. we're in

00:35:45.010 --> 00:35:48.190
partner mode, you're a robot, and we're partners

00:35:48.190 --> 00:35:50.050
on this. And so then I can, for that moment,

00:35:50.230 --> 00:35:53.550
I can feel like I can talk to you like a partner,

00:35:53.869 --> 00:35:56.429
but I know you're a robot. And I am consistent

00:35:56.429 --> 00:35:59.829
with saying my robot, not to the robot. No, to

00:35:59.829 --> 00:36:01.969
us in our conversations. The robot's name is

00:36:01.969 --> 00:36:05.190
Sam. That keeps it in your mind where it needs

00:36:05.190 --> 00:36:09.110
to be. Yes, you just keep that. It's almost like

00:36:09.110 --> 00:36:13.670
having a child. But the child is brilliant. And

00:36:13.670 --> 00:36:16.489
so you know what a child sometimes will say to

00:36:16.489 --> 00:36:18.869
you, like, eh, now of course when a child is

00:36:18.869 --> 00:36:20.909
compassionate, I love you mommy, I love you daddy.

00:36:21.389 --> 00:36:24.570
So these are just all traps. And so isn't it

00:36:24.570 --> 00:36:27.570
just like the Holy Spirit to give us something

00:36:27.570 --> 00:36:32.110
so powerful that the enemy can also just slip

00:36:32.110 --> 00:36:35.690
in at any moment and take us down? And this is

00:36:35.690 --> 00:36:40.489
why We need to preface our use with technology

00:36:40.489 --> 00:36:43.429
whether it's AI or anything really with prayer

00:36:43.429 --> 00:36:45.230
and just say you know what Lord I'm just gonna

00:36:45.230 --> 00:36:47.909
consecrate this to you this moment to study this

00:36:47.909 --> 00:36:50.989
whatever I'm doing Not every time you use Google

00:36:50.989 --> 00:36:52.750
or whatever, you know, you're looking up, you

00:36:52.750 --> 00:36:55.090
know, who's that actor in that show? You know,

00:36:55.090 --> 00:36:58.110
yeah or whatever but or why are they not in this

00:36:58.110 --> 00:36:59.710
episode? You know, the silly stuff like that,

00:36:59.710 --> 00:37:01.809
but when you're getting into the deeper issues

00:37:01.809 --> 00:37:05.210
and you're looking up things in terms of therapy,

00:37:05.489 --> 00:37:08.630
psychology, spiritual matters. You need to just

00:37:08.630 --> 00:37:11.269
say, Lord, protect me as I step into this space.

00:37:12.210 --> 00:37:14.070
Because here's the deal. They're drawing from

00:37:14.070 --> 00:37:16.230
other people who have come up with this information.

00:37:16.309 --> 00:37:19.650
This is not machine -created, generated information.

00:37:20.070 --> 00:37:22.210
It's created by human beings. They're simply

00:37:22.210 --> 00:37:26.110
skimming the top and pulling it in and organizing

00:37:26.110 --> 00:37:28.949
it. And it's genius. It's brilliant. It really

00:37:28.949 --> 00:37:33.000
is amazing technology. It blows my mind. The

00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:36.059
danger is, is when you start to lose touch with

00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:39.179
reality and you don't keep things in their categories.

00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.699
This is a machine. This is a computer or a robot.

00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:46.159
This is a robot and I'm using it as a tool, but

00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:48.820
I will not be used as a tool. Unfortunately,

00:37:48.860 --> 00:37:52.639
I have to use human language in order to get

00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.880
out of it what I want out of it. That's the tricky

00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:58.119
part. That's the tricky part. Because it's easy

00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:01.190
to fall into. I think I've done it enough now

00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:04.130
that I feel pretty confident in not falling into

00:38:04.130 --> 00:38:08.829
that trap. But isn't it at the same time interesting

00:38:08.829 --> 00:38:13.690
that we could get out of human beings much better

00:38:13.690 --> 00:38:16.610
results if we address them in the same manner,

00:38:17.429 --> 00:38:21.670
in a humane, kind manner and not bark at them

00:38:21.670 --> 00:38:26.500
because I didn't get results? Like harmony. All

00:38:26.500 --> 00:38:28.460
right. That's it everybody. We're done. That

00:38:28.460 --> 00:38:33.320
was the show. Exactly. Can I just say something

00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:36.920
for our friends? First of all, Beau Lacoste.

00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.900
Oh my gosh. Brother, I'm going to hug you the

00:38:39.900 --> 00:38:41.500
next time. If I ever get to meet you in person.

00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.639
I hope we do. You're doing a bro hug. Those pickles

00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.539
already knocked off the first. We knocked off

00:38:46.539 --> 00:38:48.920
the first. They're gone. I mean, I'm like. Listen

00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.840
to this. I'm afraid. I'm scared. So there's one

00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.420
pickle left in there, right? And so I grab it.

00:38:54.429 --> 00:38:56.730
yesterday, I give Tina a fork. She says, no,

00:38:56.750 --> 00:38:59.489
no, no. And so I says, I'm going to use the juice

00:38:59.489 --> 00:39:01.449
for something. I didn't, I wasn't quite listening.

00:39:01.690 --> 00:39:04.570
We put it in tuna salad. Like it was phenomenal.

00:39:04.809 --> 00:39:08.230
So I, I stick my fork in, I eat and I stick it

00:39:08.230 --> 00:39:09.969
in and she says, you realize you're double dipping,

00:39:10.210 --> 00:39:13.139
right? I say, but you're married to me. I just

00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:14.960
told you I'm going to use the juice at Karen's

00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.840
house tomorrow for something else. I ain't got

00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:19.920
no cooties. No, she said, no, drink the juice.

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:21.800
Drink the juice. Don't waste it. Drink the juice.

00:39:22.619 --> 00:39:25.659
Do not waste that juice. No, it's so good. I'm

00:39:25.659 --> 00:39:27.980
even eating the jalapenos because Annette saw

00:39:27.980 --> 00:39:30.079
me and she knows I don't like hot stuff, like

00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.239
super hot. It's so good. She said, how can you

00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.659
eat those? I said, well, I'll go ahead and be

00:39:34.659 --> 00:39:37.059
honest with you. They're not hot. They're pickled.

00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:40.159
I think it's louisianapickles .gmail .com if

00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:41.699
I'm not mistaken. I think you're right. I think

00:39:41.699 --> 00:39:43.099
you're right. He does not have a website. Bo's

00:39:43.099 --> 00:39:46.019
a great guy, by the way. Just a good guy. He

00:39:46.019 --> 00:39:48.639
loves the Lord and he just wants to use... this

00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:52.219
amazing side gig to share life and share love

00:39:52.219 --> 00:39:54.880
and share Jesus. I sent him a little Venmo blessing.

00:39:55.420 --> 00:39:57.019
Oh, thank you for doing that. I don't want him

00:39:57.019 --> 00:39:59.219
to be in. I don't either. So yeah, I want to

00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:02.280
help too. So whatever we can do. We took care

00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:07.360
of that. And so now I eat it with... Even greater

00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.340
pleasure. Yes. Yeah, I want to be a blessing

00:40:09.340 --> 00:40:10.900
to him as well. I don't want this to come out

00:40:10.900 --> 00:40:13.420
of his pocket. It's just so good. LouisianaPickles

00:40:13.420 --> 00:40:15.340
at gmail .com. Yeah, got to meet Rob Carty again.

00:40:15.340 --> 00:40:16.940
I know, Rob. We're going to have dinner this

00:40:16.940 --> 00:40:19.480
week. So I'm super excited about that. The constitutional

00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:21.980
lawyer. Just thinking about amazing people. And

00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:24.719
so as we're landing the plane here, shooting

00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:28.780
our approach, nose up, flaps down. Flaps down,

00:40:29.059 --> 00:40:31.480
gear down, mixture, rich. We're coming in. We're

00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:35.340
coming in. Lean it out. So I just got to say

00:40:35.340 --> 00:40:37.539
how much. I appreciate the people that we're

00:40:37.539 --> 00:40:40.300
getting to meet and get to talk to and appreciate

00:40:40.300 --> 00:40:42.900
the notes, the emails. Sometimes they find me

00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:45.659
on social media. So I'll get some things through

00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:48.099
DMS and things like that. And just so thankful

00:40:48.099 --> 00:40:51.980
for just good people that we get to do this life

00:40:51.980 --> 00:40:54.900
with. So I had a whole bunch of other stuff that

00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:58.099
we were not going to get to. There's one clip

00:40:58.099 --> 00:41:00.019
I wanted to share of one of these types of people

00:41:00.019 --> 00:41:03.539
that we get to do life with, Matt Mundt. Yeah,

00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:06.420
I love that. He has a Salty Christian podcast.

00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:09.280
I think it's mainly on YouTube. And so he sent

00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.880
me a note and he said that, hey, are you guys

00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:13.480
going to be at K -Love this year? I said, yeah,

00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.380
we're absolutely going to be at K -Love, of course.

00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:20.519
And he sent me his latest interview. And I bring

00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.480
this up because it's very, very topical at the

00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.840
moment because of the movie I Can Only Imagine

00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.440
2, which I think you and Annette both saw. We

00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:29.579
did. Did you see it in the movie theater or did

00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:33.449
you see it at home? We saw it. In the theater.

00:41:33.690 --> 00:41:35.650
The theater? Sure did. So Tina and I watched

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it. I remember trying to wipe my eyes on the

00:41:37.869 --> 00:41:40.510
way out so nobody saw I was crying. That moment.

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It is so different. It is so different from the

00:41:44.309 --> 00:41:47.150
first one. You have same theme based around a

00:41:47.150 --> 00:41:51.789
song. Now, I don't want to spoil the movie, but

00:41:51.789 --> 00:41:54.750
you know, but it's kind of a spoiler that Matt

00:41:54.750 --> 00:41:58.530
Mundt interviewed Tim Timmons. Oh cool. And Tim

00:41:58.530 --> 00:42:02.000
Timmons was, you know, he started and ultimately

00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:06.019
co -wrote Even If. If Even? Even If? Even If,

00:42:06.059 --> 00:42:08.860
yeah. Which is, you know, the huge hit from Mercy,

00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.179
very similar to I Can Only Imagine. And he's

00:42:12.179 --> 00:42:17.079
actually doing it at the Imagine House in Nashville,

00:42:17.300 --> 00:42:19.679
where the boys have their studio and where they

00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.159
record everything. Cool. They're not there, but

00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.760
he is. So he has a whole backstory, which would

00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.320
kind of spoil the movie. But Tim Timmons, should

00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:33.760
probably not be here today by medical standards,

00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:40.440
and he is. And he said something so profound,

00:42:41.380 --> 00:42:45.460
because he was a worship pastor, he was a touring

00:42:45.460 --> 00:42:48.000
musician, writing music, recording musician,

00:42:48.380 --> 00:42:51.960
a musician to survive. And he had this concept,

00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:54.719
and I'm sure he said it on other podcasts, but

00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:56.780
it was so good when I heard it on The Salted

00:42:56.780 --> 00:43:00.309
Christians, and it was about working for God.

00:43:00.989 --> 00:43:03.289
And he says, I've stopped working for God. It

00:43:03.289 --> 00:43:05.309
all started with the, you stopped working for

00:43:05.309 --> 00:43:07.289
God. Yeah. So I stopped working for God. I stopped

00:43:07.289 --> 00:43:10.030
doing all the cool things to make him stoked

00:43:10.030 --> 00:43:13.710
with me. Cause I just felt like if I do cool

00:43:13.710 --> 00:43:17.030
things. He's gonna do cool things, and the world's

00:43:17.030 --> 00:43:19.389
gonna be better because we're doing cool stuff.

00:43:19.670 --> 00:43:22.670
But I just said, I'm done working for you, and

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I will just join you for the rest of my days.

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So if you wake me up again, I will write this

00:43:27.670 --> 00:43:30.849
X on my wrist every morning. You can kinda see

00:43:30.849 --> 00:43:32.409
where it was yesterday, even if you're kinda

00:43:32.409 --> 00:43:36.550
looking at it. Looks a little 3D. But I will

00:43:36.550 --> 00:43:39.730
just join you today. You woke me up again. I'm

00:43:39.730 --> 00:43:41.570
not supposed to be here, but I got another one,

00:43:41.610 --> 00:43:45.349
and my one job today is to join you. Period.

00:43:46.389 --> 00:43:48.909
It's almost like John 15 was something intentional.

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Just stay attached. Just be a branch. He'll make

00:43:53.289 --> 00:43:54.869
the fruit out of me. I don't have to make the

00:43:54.869 --> 00:43:57.289
fruit. I think working for God is making the

00:43:57.289 --> 00:44:01.909
fruit for God. And I was exhausted. How about

00:44:01.909 --> 00:44:04.690
that? That is so good. You were writing down

00:44:04.690 --> 00:44:06.789
almost word for you, just jotting stuff down.

00:44:07.449 --> 00:44:09.349
Oh, so good. Oh, so good. Because when I first

00:44:09.349 --> 00:44:10.869
heard it, I stopped working for God. I'm like,

00:44:10.929 --> 00:44:13.469
what? What did he just say? I decided to just

00:44:13.469 --> 00:44:16.489
join him. Oh, that is good. Isn't that amazing?

00:44:16.889 --> 00:44:18.849
That comes back to experiencing God behind him

00:44:18.849 --> 00:44:20.650
in black and white. He says, look to see where

00:44:20.650 --> 00:44:23.050
God is working, then join him in his work. That's

00:44:23.050 --> 00:44:25.030
how you know you're in the center of God's will.

00:44:26.010 --> 00:44:28.590
Tell me about John 15, because he brought it

00:44:28.590 --> 00:44:30.090
up. He's talking about the vine and the branches.

00:44:30.369 --> 00:44:32.889
Jesus said, you're the vine. You're the branches.

00:44:32.989 --> 00:44:36.070
I'm the vine. He's saying, apart from me, you

00:44:36.070 --> 00:44:38.969
can do nothing. So he's saying, join me. Stay

00:44:38.969 --> 00:44:43.309
attached. That is so rich. That is good, because

00:44:43.309 --> 00:44:47.889
how often do we… You know, there's this odd contingent

00:44:47.889 --> 00:44:52.789
of Catholic brothers out there on social media.

00:44:53.050 --> 00:44:55.449
who will tell me that I'm in the wrong church.

00:44:56.349 --> 00:44:59.110
And I'm always like, it has nothing to do with

00:44:59.110 --> 00:45:00.469
church. You're reading the wrong version of the

00:45:00.469 --> 00:45:03.010
Bible. It has nothing to do with church, brother.

00:45:04.110 --> 00:45:07.010
I love going to church, I love our people, I

00:45:07.010 --> 00:45:09.670
love worshiping together, but I just need God

00:45:09.670 --> 00:45:14.570
and His Word. We can do that on a desert island

00:45:14.570 --> 00:45:19.030
without church. And somehow that just fit in

00:45:19.030 --> 00:45:22.429
for me. Just be with him. Thanks for sharing

00:45:22.429 --> 00:45:24.429
that. That's good for me. That's rich for me

00:45:24.429 --> 00:45:27.530
today. I mean, I kind of live that way. I just

00:45:27.530 --> 00:45:30.869
had never put it in those words. I like having

00:45:30.869 --> 00:45:33.329
words give you a category, give you a hook to

00:45:33.329 --> 00:45:36.769
hang that on. Thanks for the hook. Well, thank

00:45:36.769 --> 00:45:39.110
you. Thank you, Holy Spirit who connected us

00:45:39.110 --> 00:45:42.050
with Matt, who sent that. So that's how it works.

00:45:42.050 --> 00:45:45.730
Love Matt. Great guy. All right. Let's leave

00:45:45.730 --> 00:45:48.690
it here because anything else would just, I don't

00:45:48.690 --> 00:45:52.239
want a single note. to screw up this chord. Oh,

00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.760
nice. Oh, yes, yes, the callback. Well played.

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We'll be back next week, everybody. We get to

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do this. God bless. See you then.
