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Holy Spirit, Lord Jesus, Abba Father, what a

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privilege it is to be here today recording, having

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conversations about things that matter in our

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world today. I ask for wisdom, for guidance,

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for both Adam and myself, and I pray for our

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listeners. I'm so thankful for them as they've

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been reaching out and asking questions and sharing

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things and even pushing back at times, and I'm

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thankful for all of it, Lord. We learn through

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it all. So bless whoever listens to this podcast.

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Maybe somebody stumbles on it. Lord, may they

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be refreshed and encouraged and inspired. And

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may they someday be able to say, wow, we get

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to do this in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. It's Wednesday,

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March 18th, 2026. We get to do this. This is

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episode number 25. We get to do this. Yes, we

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do. We get to do this. Cheers, brother. Cheers.

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We got the Black Rifle coffee going. You got

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the Beyond Black. I'm doing the Just Black. Oh,

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I didn't know there was a different. I'm a notch

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down. Oh, OK. Oh, there's so many different flavors.

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It's crazy. I'm in need of this. It's been an

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incredible week, a good week. a really good week

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so far. It's only Wednesday. It's a good week.

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That's what I'm talking about, brother. It's

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a good week. I've had good technical things,

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just good stuff happening. Had a nice afternoon

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with my wife and we had a nice dinner and just,

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yeah, just fantastic. every night almost. Tina's

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always saying, you know, I cook every night.

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I'm like, I guess that walking in and out that

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I do is anyway, she, she does plan. I think it's

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the planning more. You know, it's like, okay,

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what should we have? This cut of beef or this

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cut of beef? There it is. Yeah. We just placed

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our order for hometown meats. Yeah. Those guys

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are so good. Love it. Love it. I had my last

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ribeye last night. So I'm like, We got to get

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this order done. So yeah, we got that in. We

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did a tri -tip last night with espresso rub from

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Gigawatt Coffee Roasters by a man in Chicago

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in Illinois. Wow. So good. Remind me again, who

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did the pickles for us? Jody White. Well, it's

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she sends them to us. Thank you, Jody. She wants

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to make them, she wants them to rebrand as the

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Pickle Princess because we've promoted it so

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much. But man, those things are good. Oh my gosh.

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Did you finish it off? Almost. I'm rationing.

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Yeah. So I'm down to the last like two pickles.

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And I think I've got an onion and a jalapeno.

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And that's it. I don't even want to eat it. I

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probably will drink the juice. It's that good.

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And Bo, right, makes some Did I get that right?

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Yeah, Beau. Thanks, Beau. You're awesome. It's

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been a long time since I've actually rationed

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myself on anything, certainly pickles. They're

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too good. Today's episode has been months in

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the making. And it really started, gosh, I can't

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believe what episode that was. We were talking

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about... Yeah, it's been a few back. about replacement

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theology. Didn't we call it the Israel conundrum?

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No, even before that we were doing that. Before

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that. I think we were doing it before this. We've

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hit on this several times. We have. And there's

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so much spinning around in the podcast podosphere,

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as we call it. And it's literally like Ben Shapiro,

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Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candice Owens, who

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am I missing? It's exhausting. And they're all

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yelling at each other and they're all like, you

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need to denounce him, denounce her, denounce

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this. And it all comes down to, well, this started

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years ago and certainly perked up after October

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7th. And all we've heard is labels like Christian

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Zionists and all these. And this to me was like,

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I need to figure out where all of this is coming

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from. And it's kind of been presented as a binary

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option. You're either... Clarify that. You're

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either a Christian Zionist or you're not. Yeah,

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there's no other option. There's no other option.

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And, of course, now everything is spun up with

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what's happening in Iran. So I want to give a

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little bit of historical background on Iran,

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our involvement in there, because people really

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don't know. Any history and even even I had to

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brush up a lot and like okay, where actually

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does this all come from and you know when you

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understand the history of Iran and The British

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involvement and the US involvement. It has always

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been about one thing and one thing only can you

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guess? Oil I was gonna say money, but that's

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always been one thing and one thing only yeah,

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and so When we see the, it was a national security

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advisor, I think quit his job this morning saying

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two things. The president only focused on one,

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which is Iran pose no threat. But he also said,

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we've been led into this by Israel, basically.

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And so when I look at this claim that we have

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been dragged into something for Israel's behalf,

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It's laughable on its face. Just because of,

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look at what's happening. What is the result

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of this? The result is the constriction of flow

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of oil through the straits of Hormuz, which have

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been a problem for decades and decades, but even

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in the last couple of years. I mean, it may have

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been cool to just watch the helicopter footage

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of the Houthis landing on the oil ship, but this

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has been an ongoing problem. This has been an

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ongoing issue. And without the Straits of Hormuz

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open, Saudi Arabian oil can't come through. Qatari

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gas can't come through this. And of course, Iranian

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oil, which mainly has been sanctioned by all

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countries in the world and goes to China and

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to other places. So first, let's understand outside

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of the terrorism funding aspect, when did this

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really start? And it started in the early 1900s

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when Churchill decided to switch the British

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Navy and the British Empire was a naval seafaring

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empire. They conquered all these countries and

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turned them into the big Commonwealth. The saying

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was the sun never sets on the British Empire

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anywhere. They changed their naval vessels from

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coal which Britain had enough of to oil this

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was no combustion engine had come in now and

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so now we're going to use oil to power our ships,

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we don't have any oil so they went looking for

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oil and Back in the day. Certainly if you go

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looking around the region, which was not Iraq

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or Iran or Syria or Jordan it was Persia Of course

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the Ottoman Empire which was this whole area

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and they were starting to break apart of their

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own accord because it's all just tribal They

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went, you know We should probably go take a look

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over there and you could walk through certain

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places and your feet would step into oil and

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wow That's how they found it. Literally. It was

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just so much of it And so the Brits at the time

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had learned a very very smart trick, which they

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had pulled off in China which was opium war.

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So they got all these people in today, modern

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day Iran, and Iraq is also a part of this, got

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them hooked on opium. And so they got this great

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deal with the tribal rulers of the time in Iran.

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We'll take all your oil, and we'll give you 10

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% of that. Typically, it's like a 50 -50 at least,

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you know, so no, we'll take all of that. Have

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another toot of opium, you'll be fine. And so

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that was the beginning. But all of these different

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tribal regions, it was a problem because you

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had to continuously keep that flow of oil safe.

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There were some pipelines that they even put

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in early on, which is now modern day Syria, and

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they were piping that up. So they decided to

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start funding all these different little groups

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and tribes to fight each other and stay occupied,

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you know, the divide and rule so they could just

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continue to get the oil. Now around this we got

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World War One coming up around this time actually

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after World War One, which was also partially

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about oil because the Germans now they were building

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ships. They wanted oil. There was lots of stuff

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going on even in African region and the Brits

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and the French two guys actually Sykes and Pico.

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You may have heard of this a Sykes Pico agreement.

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They decided let's carve up the Middle East and

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you guys will be responsible for this part and

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we'll be responsible for this part." And they

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just drew some lines in crayon and a napkin and

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said, we'll call this Iraq, we'll call this Iran,

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we'll call this Jordan, we'll call this Syria.

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The region of Palestine was really, a lot of

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it was Jordan at the time, mainly Jordan, some

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Syria, and of course it moved all over the place

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including Egypt. And that was really the beginning

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of the oil the oil dominance of the British.

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So they had the Anglo -Iranian Oil Corporation,

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which then was later known as BP. And they had

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this great, great idea in 1917 called the Balfour

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Declaration. And the Balfour Declaration was,

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again, so we're looking at war times, we should

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probably Create a place for the Jews and why

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don't we make it in there kind of their homeland

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here in Israel? Because they on one hand will

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protect another Import will be another force

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for another important part of the country of

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the world, which is the Suez Canal I knew that

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would come into play of course later and so now

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we have now I'm speeding through the years and

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I'm not a historian, but I have it pretty well

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in my head Even if you watch The Crown, you'll

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see some of this. So you have the Suez Canal,

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and then there's always, like Egypt always has

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revolutions, like every three years there's some

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revolt going on, to this day almost. So Nasser

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comes in, he was a military leader, and he's

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like, you know what, we're taking control of

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the Suez Canal, so big problem for the Brits.

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It's arguable whether they funded the beginning

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of it or took a small group and started funding

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them. the Muslim Brotherhood. And this to this

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day has been used mainly by the British, but

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also by other people and their own autonomous,

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they've grown so big to control parts of the

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region. So, you know, this idea of building a

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state for the Jews has always been historically

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a geopolitical initiative, not a biblical initiative.

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And Napoleon even tried to do that. And, you

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know, he's like, He wanted the Jews out of France,

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which a lot of people still see him as a friendly

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towards the Jews, but he wanted to basically

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get them out, put them in the same place. It

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didn't work out for him. He lost in different

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places, and of course Waterloo, and that was

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all over. So the Brits had this Iranian oil,

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and we benefited from it as well, also to keep

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it stable. And then in 1953, Iran was essentially

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becoming a republic. They had democratically

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elected leaders. They had a prime minister. And

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the Brits were like, this is no good because

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we need to keep these guys kind of disorganized

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and fighting each other so we can continue with

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oil. And so this was Prime Minister Mossadegh.

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And he said, you know, This thing that these

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Brits did, we got to end this. We're going to

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nationalize the oil, which would mean all of

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the rights to the oil go away. And now Britain

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has a problem because they have this. And there's

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only three oil companies at this time. You have

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British Petroleum. You have Royal Dutch Shell.

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And the Dutch bought Shell. And you had Standard

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Oil. You had Caltex or whatever it was. So those

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are really the three big oil companies. And so

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we decided, and I say we, the CIA and the British

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Secret Service, MI6, in 1953, we implement Operation

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Ajax. And I love these names. And this is historical,

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historical fact. So we now crush this secular

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nationalist path for Iran and we bring in Shah

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Mohammed Pahlavi. who his son is still considered

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to be the royal crown prince. It was really just

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some dude they put in there. All right, so now

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you're going to have the power. So for two decades,

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everything's going well. But the religious leaders,

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and this includes Khomeini, they felt that this

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had always been a betrayal by the Americans and

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by the British. which quite honestly, it was.

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We came in there, did some regime change because

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we didn't like that they were democratizing.

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So the Shah at a certain point launches what

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was known as the White Revolution. And this was

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not accepted by any of the religious leaders

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in Iran. They kicked Khomeini out. He's in exile

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for 15 years. But this builds and builds and

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builds and builds. And then by 1978, 1979, the

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Islamic revolution is about ready to kick off.

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And so the first thing, well, not the first thing,

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but one of the things they do is they, you know,

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so they send the royal family goes on vacation.

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They wind up in France. They've lived there for,

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you know, forever, basically never to come back.

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They were exiled. It's a whole big mess. And

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then they go in, the students go in, it was a

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student uprising, go into the U .S. embassy and

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they, keep all these embassy workers, I think

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it was about 50 or 60 of them, hostage for 444

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days in total. You remember this. And why was

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this? They were getting all the documents that

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CIA had shredded. Embassies are always covered

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for CIA. It's the CIA station. So the CIA had

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shredded all these documents. that proved that

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we had done Operation Ajax with the Brits. And

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they took all these snippets, brought it over

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to the schools and said to the kids, you like

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puzzles, right? Put this together. And they spent

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these hundreds of days putting it all together.

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So there was proof positive that we had actually

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done that. So Jimmy Carter, he was trying to

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get the hostages out. The whole thing was still

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such a mess because Ronald Reagan didn't want

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those hostages to come out before the election

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because he thought that Jimmy Carter would be

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seen as a hero for getting the hostages free.

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And no one really understood at the time what

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it was about. We only know that in hindsight.

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So our CIA actually actively worked with the

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Islamists saying, can you just hold back just

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a few more days until after November? And Carter

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was actually trying up until January, you know,

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whenever the handover was, he was still as president

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actively trying to get that done. And then, of

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course, Reagan gets into office, boom, it's all

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taken care of. So this is really how the Mullahs

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and the Ayatollah came to power. And this is

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where all of the problems started, or the modern

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day problems. So it was a puppet government.

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That's literally what they called it. They called

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it the puppet government. So now you know why

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the so -called crown prince son is like, oh,

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I should come back. But even that was the puppet.

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His dad was the CIA MI6 puppet. And so really,

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that's why I think President Trump is not interested

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in him. because they know how to do a secular,

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democratically elected government. And they were

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a republic, just like the United States, a republic.

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So this has always been about oil. And now you

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just add to it that they were taking all of that.

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And I would say in a way on behalf of the the

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British system. It's not like King Charles is

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personally responsible, but the banking system,

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the shipping system, the insurance system, it

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all runs through the City of London banking system.

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And the estimate is that for every barrel of

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oil that comes through the Straits of Hormuz,

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$5 to $15 is just insurance premium, just extra

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money that only has to be paid to Wall Street

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banks, City of London banks, City of London insurance

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companies are just banks. So they love this.

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They love the problems in the Middle East. Keep

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it going. And it's lucrative. Of course, the

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problem is Israel. The Jews turned out to not

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be so subservient. And so they smart and they

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started fixing the country they had been given

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that, you know, and this is where the argument

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comes down to, or they deserve or they by covenant

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should have. And this creates all of this tension.

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The United States is allied, of course, with

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Israel because that is our, as we call it, the

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aircraft carrier in the sand. And this is where

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in the past we have also continued to poke and

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make sure stuff keeps. the tension goes on in

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the region. I mean, and I could go into Kuwait

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and Iraq and Saddam Hussein who we all loved

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until we didn't love him. We are not good actors

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in all of this historically. So let's just put

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that in front. So at this point, we have Iran

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using their power to fund all kinds of destabilizing

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forces, not all necessarily just to get rid of

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Israel, but to destabilize Lebanon, destabilize

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Syria, destabilize Iraq, to some degree destabilize

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Egypt. That has been the system that we just

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needed that to keep that sweet sweet oil flowing

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at a premium that really kind of the British

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financial empire controlled. And why was that?

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When the Brits converted from this global empire

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of land to a global empire of finance. And they

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were in the game way before Wall Street came

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along. So those two are kind of symbiotic. Okay,

00:19:52.789 --> 00:19:54.970
so that's the truth of what's happening. And

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right now, President Trump, he did what every

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president has every president since Roosevelt

00:20:01.809 --> 00:20:04.809
has said, we need to take care of Iran. These

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guys are a problem. And whether it was the Wall

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Street people who said no, or whoever was saying

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no, no president ever did it. And now we see

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all the problems that have arisen from Iran being

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able to do whatever they do. Could they actually

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have nuclear weapons? I don't know. I've been

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here next week for 10 years, maybe, maybe not.

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It was a pretext. But the idea was we've got

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to get it back to where it was. play fair with

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them, we want to have real trade with them for

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their oil, and this plays into what President

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Trump set up in his first term, the Abraham Accords.

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This is what even historians say, this would

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be fantastic if we could have Israel as a part

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of all of these different Arab nations and have

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Saudi Arabia and the Iranians, Sunnis and Shia,

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who historically hate each other. That's why

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I'm always laughing if someone says, well, ISIS

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was fighting because of Iran. No, ISIS is the

00:21:05.170 --> 00:21:09.730
other side of Iran. So no, that's wrong. And

00:21:09.730 --> 00:21:14.710
there seems to be motivation for that. And Saudi

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Arabia, you've been doing all, this is what President

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Trump did this term. You've been getting all,

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you know, you've been doing oil business. We're

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going to turn you into a data center, high tech.

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center of the Middle East, and you'll participate

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in the global AI race, et cetera, et cetera,

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for whatever that means. But that's not the way

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it's playing out in American politics. In American

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politics, all you hear is, President Trump got

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dragged into this by Israel because he needs

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to blow up Iran to protect Israel. Nonsense.

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It doesn't even make economic sense. So the cope

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of grasping at Well, it's because he's being

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blackmailed by Epstein. No. I mean, it's pathetic.

00:22:00.099 --> 00:22:02.819
It's pathetic on his face where this is a game

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about oil and resources and money and who controls

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and who does not control and what's fair. And

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isn't it always? Historically. It's always about...

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We're done. That's right. Good night, everybody.

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No, it's always about oil, turf and, you know...

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There's always some personal stuff in there,

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but that just is from leader to leader. So I've

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been trying to figure out where this notion comes

00:22:32.819 --> 00:22:36.420
from, that we have gotten into a position where

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you have, there's really two camps, and I learned

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recently, mainly through listening to you very

00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:48.400
carefully, that there's three. One is Israel

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is, is not important because according to the

00:22:53.289 --> 00:22:55.970
New Testament and Jesus, the church is the New

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Israel. Then you have the other side who says

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we're really in the church age right now of the

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seven different ages, dispensationalism, and

00:23:05.589 --> 00:23:07.829
then there's a third that we'll get to. But what

00:23:07.829 --> 00:23:11.529
this results in is a confusion for believers,

00:23:11.730 --> 00:23:15.650
Christians. What am I supposed to do here? Am

00:23:15.650 --> 00:23:23.089
I supposed to defend support Israel? Is Israel

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the state, the region, the government, etc.?

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Or do I denounce them for so -called genocide?

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What is genocide? Or should I just shut up and

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be really quiet, which I think is what most people

00:23:35.769 --> 00:23:39.730
do? And this is a big problem because you're

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missing a great opportunity to help people understand,

00:23:44.109 --> 00:23:47.089
in my opinion, and I believe your opinion, what

00:23:47.130 --> 00:23:49.829
God really intended and what He really said.

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Now, this has come to a head with podcasters

00:23:55.009 --> 00:23:59.670
who believe they are great theologians. I didn't

00:23:59.670 --> 00:24:02.450
know Tucker Carlson was a Christian until recently,

00:24:03.069 --> 00:24:09.029
and the same goes for many other people who have

00:24:09.029 --> 00:24:11.970
at least expressed their faith openly. But I

00:24:11.970 --> 00:24:15.170
knew this was a real problem in our community

00:24:15.369 --> 00:24:18.730
when I hear our friend Matt Long on the Matt

00:24:18.730 --> 00:24:21.970
Long show just this week, and it's a very short

00:24:21.970 --> 00:24:24.789
clip, just to give you an idea of the confusion

00:24:24.789 --> 00:24:28.470
of where we are as believers in this geopolitical

00:24:28.470 --> 00:24:33.480
argument. about Israel. And so, well, that puts

00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:38.019
us in a bizarre situation because is the state

00:24:38.019 --> 00:24:41.880
of Israel, is the government of Israel, is that

00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:46.079
who God made His promise to? Did He make it to

00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:49.700
Jerusalem? Did He make it to the Jewish people

00:24:49.700 --> 00:24:52.960
who descended by blood only to the Jewish people?

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These are all questions that a lot of us have,

00:24:56.380 --> 00:25:00.200
and many of us grew up with preconceived notions

00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.160
on that. Okay. So when Matt... I heard this,

00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:06.880
by the way. You played this on Hello Fred. As

00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:08.859
a promo. Yeah, you're right. I heard it. I heard

00:25:08.859 --> 00:25:11.500
the promo too. I'm like, wow, I got to grab that

00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:17.920
out of the promo. That's a good bit. So I'm going

00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:19.799
to try and boil it down and then we'll get to

00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:25.940
the third option. But amongst a lot of people

00:25:25.940 --> 00:25:29.839
who are saying, literally saying, the Christians

00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:32.559
in America are Zionists. They're the problem.

00:25:32.660 --> 00:25:35.400
They let Israel get away with everything. The

00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:39.480
politicians are pro -Israel and they'll do anything

00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:43.500
to defend Israel. They come from the school of

00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:48.089
replacement theology. and we played some Nick

00:25:48.089 --> 00:25:50.049
Fuentes a while back, I think that's probably

00:25:50.049 --> 00:25:52.470
where we talked about it, where he said, oh no,

00:25:53.250 --> 00:25:57.490
the church has replaced Israel, and that is replacement

00:25:57.490 --> 00:26:00.230
theory. Now, I'm gonna play a couple clips, and

00:26:00.230 --> 00:26:04.170
then we'll get into where this comes from. So

00:26:04.170 --> 00:26:10.750
Tucker had on former Miss California, Carrie

00:26:10.750 --> 00:26:13.789
Prejean Baller. And you may remember her from

00:26:13.789 --> 00:26:18.440
like 20 years ago, She was a shoe in to win and

00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.720
then go on to win Miss USA. But she said very

00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:25.079
clearly, no, I believe marriage is between one

00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:27.759
man and one woman. That's my faith. And so she

00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:31.759
got burned, you know, excoriated, of course.

00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.240
And that's when she became friends with President

00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.960
Trump. And he kept in touch with her throughout

00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:38.980
all these years because she definitely went through

00:26:38.980 --> 00:26:41.299
some ups and downs in whatever career because

00:26:41.299 --> 00:26:45.930
she was seen as a nut job. as one does, and she

00:26:45.930 --> 00:26:49.829
winds up being asked to be on the Defending Christian

00:26:49.829 --> 00:26:54.269
Faith Presidential Board. And this includes a

00:26:54.269 --> 00:26:58.490
number of people, including Dan Patrick, who

00:26:58.490 --> 00:27:00.930
was, is he our attorney general? Attorney general

00:27:00.930 --> 00:27:03.150
in Texas? No, no, no. He's our lieutenant governor.

00:27:03.210 --> 00:27:05.410
Lieutenant, right. Who was our attorney general?

00:27:05.670 --> 00:27:07.769
Paxton. Paxton. Okay, yeah, so he's... It's easy

00:27:07.769 --> 00:27:10.190
to get those names mixed up. Yes, and they're

00:27:10.190 --> 00:27:13.190
going to get even more mixed up, I think, once

00:27:13.190 --> 00:27:17.150
elections are over. And Paula White, who runs

00:27:17.150 --> 00:27:21.230
the Office of Faith for the President, I believe

00:27:21.230 --> 00:27:26.430
is his pastor, I'm not sure. But also, Dr. Phil

00:27:26.430 --> 00:27:29.970
is on there. But it's a prestigious thing. And

00:27:29.970 --> 00:27:33.750
she was asked to resign from the board, who?

00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.779
the Carrie, the former Miss California, runner

00:27:37.779 --> 00:27:41.579
-up Miss California, because she was posting

00:27:41.579 --> 00:27:47.259
things about what Israel was doing in Gaza. And

00:27:47.259 --> 00:27:52.460
it was clear that it was more about politics

00:27:52.460 --> 00:27:56.019
than about faith. But as she sat down with Tucker

00:27:56.019 --> 00:27:59.359
Carlson, this is where it really got interesting

00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.339
for me, because you can hear exactly how the

00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:05.160
programming has been shoved in and how it works,

00:28:05.660 --> 00:28:10.220
this very binary choice, which is not ultimately

00:28:10.220 --> 00:28:15.599
binary, about the support of Israel. So she says,

00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:17.500
no, I'm not going to resign. Then she gets a

00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:19.740
call from Paula White and Dan Patrick, and they're

00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:21.839
saying, no, you really have to, or you have to

00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:24.119
run all your tweets through us or, you know,

00:28:24.220 --> 00:28:26.900
sound like a very untenable situation. Here's

00:28:26.900 --> 00:28:29.740
her I have a couple clips of this. Here's her

00:28:29.740 --> 00:28:32.079
takeaway as to how this happened in her conversation

00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:34.859
with Tucker Carlson. Did either one of them explain

00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:37.920
why a requirement of the Christian faith is supporting

00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.140
the Netanyahu government? Did they explain the

00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:41.720
theology there? You already see where this is

00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.740
going, right? Because I don't understand it.

00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:46.660
Yeah, no, they never explained it. They just

00:28:46.660 --> 00:28:50.160
said, you can't have your theology. You can't

00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.279
believe what you want. You have to submit to

00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.380
ours. But their theology is that Christians are

00:28:56.380 --> 00:28:59.160
required as a matter of faith to support the

00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.700
government of Israel. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Do

00:29:01.700 --> 00:29:03.140
you have any idea? Those who bless Israel will

00:29:03.140 --> 00:29:06.039
be blessed. That's exactly what Ted told you.

00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:07.920
Yeah, I mean, he had no idea where in the Bible

00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:09.900
it was. Of course, that line is not actually

00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:13.380
in the Bible. It doesn't say that. But whatever,

00:29:14.380 --> 00:29:17.940
the leap between that, whatever that means, it

00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:22.480
does mean something. and the moral, the religious

00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.980
requirement to support the government of Israel.

00:29:26.140 --> 00:29:27.920
I mean, those are just like completely two different

00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:31.359
things. No, they don't think they are. A lot

00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:33.500
of interesting things just to start this off.

00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:39.680
I completely take at face value the belief that

00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:43.440
she and Tucker think and have gotten the impression,

00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:48.940
and it may be very true, that politicians who

00:29:49.099 --> 00:29:54.660
believe in dispensationalism or whatever their

00:29:54.660 --> 00:29:59.339
belief is that the 1948 creation of the state

00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:03.220
of Israel was a prophetic fulfillment and we

00:30:03.220 --> 00:30:07.839
have to defend that at all cost to have the end

00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:12.859
times accelerate or whatever eschatological phase

00:30:12.859 --> 00:30:16.099
we're in. I need you to comment on just where

00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:21.440
we are so far. Dispensationalism would hold that

00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.220
there's a place for Israel, there is prophetic

00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:27.799
implications for both current Israel then, when

00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:30.119
it was said back in the Old Testament under the

00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:32.619
Old Covenant, but also for today. So it's both

00:30:32.619 --> 00:30:37.420
now and for then, now and future. There's also

00:30:37.420 --> 00:30:40.119
another view which is completely the opposite

00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:43.180
of that, which would be replacement theology.

00:30:43.470 --> 00:30:46.569
And by the way, no one person came up with replacement.

00:30:46.970 --> 00:30:49.609
You can't go back to this person started that.

00:30:49.890 --> 00:30:52.730
Well, the argument, and I've looked into this,

00:30:52.750 --> 00:30:58.089
is that for 1 ,500, 1 ,800, 2 ,000 years since

00:30:58.089 --> 00:31:01.890
Constantine... Right. I did hear that in Justin

00:31:01.890 --> 00:31:05.690
Martyr and others. That that's when Constantine,

00:31:05.710 --> 00:31:09.789
who of course made Christianity the official

00:31:09.789 --> 00:31:13.920
religion, he could not have people believing

00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:16.799
that Israel was still a thing in order to keep

00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.200
power, and I believe that's probably been carried

00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.920
over through the Church of England, like, no,

00:31:21.980 --> 00:31:25.079
no, no, no, no, we are the new Israel, and that

00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.759
was for political reasons, that you just couldn't

00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:31.880
believe that. Does that sound feasible? So back

00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:35.720
to replacement theology, yeah, it does sound...

00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:40.660
It says that Israel is over and done, that the

00:31:40.660 --> 00:31:46.000
Church is now the New Israel. It has replaced

00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:49.779
Israel. So all the prophetic implications were

00:31:49.779 --> 00:31:53.319
either fulfilled in the Old Covenant or in the

00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.480
first century of the New Testament, the New Age,

00:31:56.500 --> 00:32:00.539
so to speak, that now everything pertains to

00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:04.299
the church. Everything's about the church. Problem

00:32:04.299 --> 00:32:07.160
is we're doing this again. We're siloing these

00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.380
things and saying it's either or again. You use

00:32:09.380 --> 00:32:11.579
the word binary. Hold on. There's another way.

00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.680
I know that's what I want to get at the end.

00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:16.660
I'll let you have the punchline. No, you're going

00:32:16.660 --> 00:32:18.420
to have the punchline, but I want to take us

00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:20.819
through because you mentioned replacement and

00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:22.799
fulfillment. That's exactly what comes up in

00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:26.039
this next clip. Did Paula White or Dan Patrick

00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:29.039
explain where you were wrong on doctrine? No.

00:32:29.619 --> 00:32:32.599
No, they just said, I cannot hold firm to replacement

00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:34.859
theology, which they don't know Catholics. It's

00:32:34.859 --> 00:32:37.259
fulfillment theology. We believe that we are

00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:39.839
the fulfillment. You know, it's not replaced.

00:32:39.859 --> 00:32:42.259
They like to dig us and say, oh, you believe

00:32:42.259 --> 00:32:44.059
in replacement theology. No, no, no. We're the

00:32:44.059 --> 00:32:48.500
fulfillment. Christ is the fulfillment of Israel.

00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:50.859
Well, that's what it says in the New Testament.

00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.579
Yeah, exactly. I mean, it says it like on every

00:32:54.579 --> 00:32:58.490
page. Okay, the theologian Tucker Carlson. Bless

00:32:58.490 --> 00:33:02.769
Tucker's heart. So now there's kind of a little

00:33:02.769 --> 00:33:05.910
nuance here, so replacement versus theology,

00:33:06.150 --> 00:33:08.970
please. Well, she says we're not replacement

00:33:08.970 --> 00:33:11.309
theology, we're fulfillment theology. I've never

00:33:11.309 --> 00:33:13.710
even heard that term. It's not an official term,

00:33:14.150 --> 00:33:16.730
but really what she's blending over into is what

00:33:16.730 --> 00:33:19.529
I would call a hybrid theology, which brings

00:33:19.529 --> 00:33:22.710
in covenant theology. And I would definitely

00:33:22.710 --> 00:33:25.509
lean more towards covenant theology. We're gonna

00:33:25.509 --> 00:33:27.589
get to covenant. Okay, we're gonna get to covenant

00:33:27.589 --> 00:33:31.109
But she's pulling that in well as a piece, but

00:33:31.109 --> 00:33:33.769
she's not the nuance, but she's not here I haven't

00:33:33.769 --> 00:33:36.509
heard the whole no no no, it's it's mind -blowing

00:33:36.509 --> 00:33:39.390
my brother pastor Jimmy It is mind -blowing because

00:33:39.390 --> 00:33:42.490
this programming when I hear Tucker Carlson say

00:33:42.490 --> 00:33:46.230
it's all over the Bible I'm like no page. It's

00:33:46.230 --> 00:33:49.210
not it's like No, it's quite the opposite, and

00:33:49.210 --> 00:33:52.289
that we'll get to, but now we get the explanation

00:33:52.289 --> 00:33:56.390
from her. And this is just a mom. She was a beauty

00:33:56.390 --> 00:33:58.549
queen, but she's a mom, and she's just trying

00:33:58.549 --> 00:34:00.589
to do the right thing. And I have to be honest,

00:34:00.609 --> 00:34:04.269
she sounds very bitter. She's got a bitter tone,

00:34:04.369 --> 00:34:06.950
and maybe for good reasons, but she feels like

00:34:06.950 --> 00:34:09.070
she's got... She's been screwed around her whole

00:34:09.070 --> 00:34:12.900
life. She's very hurt. But this is the conversation.

00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.760
This is what is driving the entire narrative.

00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.159
And once we can get down to the basics of what

00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.670
it is and what it isn't, then at least we can

00:34:22.670 --> 00:34:25.489
feel good about defending whatever we want to

00:34:25.489 --> 00:34:28.429
defend. So, but they're accusing you of believing

00:34:28.429 --> 00:34:30.409
in something called replacement theology. For

00:34:30.409 --> 00:34:32.030
people who don't follow this, and I'm kind of

00:34:32.030 --> 00:34:33.369
one of them, I don't fully understand what that

00:34:33.369 --> 00:34:35.110
means, what do they mean by that? They believe

00:34:35.110 --> 00:34:37.769
that, so replacement theology, their claim is

00:34:37.769 --> 00:34:39.650
that the church has replaced Israel. So, for

00:34:39.650 --> 00:34:41.510
2 ,000 years, that's what all of the early church

00:34:41.510 --> 00:34:43.750
fathers have taught, that we are the new Israel,

00:34:43.949 --> 00:34:48.590
we're the spiritual Semites. They would literally

00:34:48.590 --> 00:34:51.550
be rolling in their graves if they thought that

00:34:51.550 --> 00:34:55.809
we were being told that 1948 Israel is some biblical

00:34:55.809 --> 00:35:00.369
prophecy fulfillment. I mean, that alone is insane.

00:35:00.889 --> 00:35:03.349
That they think that this political state of

00:35:03.349 --> 00:35:07.269
Israel that was created in 48, mostly by atheists,

00:35:07.829 --> 00:35:12.239
is some biblical prophecy being fulfilled. And

00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.460
I mean, you're aware of Darby and Schofield,

00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:20.760
and this is the fruit of that. And I have a feeling

00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:24.320
that there are politicians who absolutely believe

00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.860
that the 1948 Israel is fulfillment of prophecy.

00:35:29.260 --> 00:35:33.619
And it may well be, but I'm like, whatever, God's

00:35:33.619 --> 00:35:36.579
timing, God's deal, I don't know if we're supposed

00:35:36.579 --> 00:35:39.969
to defend the government. I mean, there have

00:35:39.969 --> 00:35:43.369
been a lot of bad governments in Israel, a lot

00:35:43.369 --> 00:35:47.349
of bad kings, a lot of bad stuff has gone on

00:35:47.349 --> 00:35:50.550
there. But this is the schism. And I don't think

00:35:50.550 --> 00:35:53.150
all politicians believe this, but whether they're

00:35:53.150 --> 00:35:57.349
using it as a reason to go along to get along

00:35:57.349 --> 00:35:59.769
with the military industrial complex, and they're

00:35:59.769 --> 00:36:01.949
hiding behind it, whether they fully believe

00:36:01.949 --> 00:36:07.010
it, I'm not exactly sure. But this is what leads

00:36:07.010 --> 00:36:12.059
to this this label of Zionism. So when you hear

00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:16.599
Ted Cruz defending Genesis saying, well, trying

00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:21.440
to defend, you know, if you bless Israel, you

00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:27.059
will be blessed in sending money or supporting

00:36:27.059 --> 00:36:31.500
militarily the Israeli army government, etc.

00:36:31.940 --> 00:36:34.619
This is where the term Christian Zionism comes

00:36:34.619 --> 00:36:38.510
from, which this good Catholic girl has never

00:36:38.510 --> 00:36:41.929
heard of. Is there any other place in America,

00:36:42.349 --> 00:36:44.349
I mean, in the world, rather, where you have

00:36:44.349 --> 00:36:46.849
a big group of Christians who believe that 1948

00:36:46.849 --> 00:36:49.349
Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy? No. In fact,

00:36:49.590 --> 00:36:51.690
do you know, Tucker, that I asked my priest,

00:36:52.809 --> 00:36:55.269
who I had several, I had about six priests guiding

00:36:55.269 --> 00:36:57.530
me before this hearing, spiritually advising

00:36:57.530 --> 00:36:59.070
me before this hearing, because I wanted to make

00:36:59.070 --> 00:37:01.369
sure. I need to make sure that I know what I'm

00:37:01.369 --> 00:37:03.230
saying and that it's actually accurate with what

00:37:03.230 --> 00:37:05.599
the church teaches. The church. And I'll never

00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.480
forget, he's from Spain. God bless him. He's

00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.780
so, so sweet. And I said, Father, do you know

00:37:12.780 --> 00:37:16.079
what Zionism is? He looked at me like I was an

00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:20.739
alien. He's like, what's Zionism? I couldn't

00:37:20.739 --> 00:37:23.760
believe it. I said, you realize in America that

00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.320
these people like Paula White, Dan Patrick, Ted

00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:30.860
Cruz, most of our politicians in government who

00:37:30.860 --> 00:37:32.659
have power, who are in the White House praying

00:37:32.659 --> 00:37:36.309
over the president, They're Zionists. They believe

00:37:36.309 --> 00:37:40.469
that 1948 Israel is a biblical prophecy fulfillment.

00:37:41.889 --> 00:37:45.010
He looked at me like I was crazy. He said, nobody's

00:37:45.010 --> 00:37:52.909
ever taught that. So this made me think, do Catholics

00:37:52.909 --> 00:37:55.550
in America, are they completely into fulfillment

00:37:55.550 --> 00:37:58.250
and replacement? That's a good question. I can't

00:37:58.250 --> 00:38:01.710
answer for Catholicism and their theology on

00:38:01.710 --> 00:38:05.289
that. I know that when we were in Israel in 2005,

00:38:06.050 --> 00:38:09.289
we were very connected to and involved with the

00:38:09.289 --> 00:38:12.570
largest messianic church there. These were actual

00:38:12.570 --> 00:38:15.929
Jewish people who had embraced Jesus Christ as

00:38:15.929 --> 00:38:19.969
the Messiah, and there was a thriving church

00:38:19.969 --> 00:38:22.690
up in the Haifa Bay area. Still there, going

00:38:22.690 --> 00:38:26.639
strong, one of the largest congregations. They

00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.579
believe that 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical

00:38:30.579 --> 00:38:32.960
prophecy, that there would be a day where they

00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.239
would be back in their land, and the land that

00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:40.059
they believe God, by Scripture, promised them.

00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:44.420
And so, when she says something so definitive

00:38:44.420 --> 00:38:47.820
as, no one else believes this anywhere in the

00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:53.460
world, I'm going, you're wrong. This is the enemy

00:38:53.460 --> 00:38:56.119
speaking through her, obviously. I'm trying to

00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:58.119
have some compassion too. I'm not trying to nail

00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.559
her. I'm just saying when you say those nowhere,

00:39:02.019 --> 00:39:06.940
nothing, no one, these definitive terms, you're

00:39:06.940 --> 00:39:10.880
using a very wide paintbrush and you're brushing

00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.300
these wide strokes. And I'm hearing that in the

00:39:13.300 --> 00:39:25.860
rhetoric a lot. where not many people are actually

00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:29.820
leaving room for the nuance to say, well, I may

00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:32.500
not believe everything exactly the way you said

00:39:32.500 --> 00:39:37.960
it, but yet I do see support for the truth or

00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.210
the idea in the book of Romans that we as the

00:39:42.210 --> 00:39:45.730
Gentiles have been grafted into the vine, which

00:39:45.730 --> 00:39:49.670
makes us partners and brothers and sisters. And

00:39:49.670 --> 00:39:52.530
then I look in Ephesians 2 and I find, wait,

00:39:53.050 --> 00:39:55.070
the dividing wall has been broken down between

00:39:55.070 --> 00:39:58.789
Jew and Gentile. They are now one new man. So

00:39:58.789 --> 00:40:03.090
you can make a good case either way, but I think

00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:08.829
you can make a gooder, a better case for the

00:40:08.829 --> 00:40:11.730
C word. you wouldn't let me say earlier. This

00:40:11.730 --> 00:40:16.269
is where it's open for you. It's the idea of

00:40:16.269 --> 00:40:19.690
covenant theology, where God made covenants with

00:40:19.690 --> 00:40:25.449
Israel. She used a word that I would use, that

00:40:25.449 --> 00:40:28.550
we're in this long narrative. You look at the

00:40:28.550 --> 00:40:32.050
narrative of the scripture, and a lot of prophecies

00:40:32.050 --> 00:40:37.780
are now fulfilled now and fulfilled then. So

00:40:37.780 --> 00:40:41.019
they're layered in nature. They don't always

00:40:41.019 --> 00:40:44.179
have just one thing. They're typically stacked.

00:40:45.099 --> 00:40:48.679
And so you'll see something happen then that

00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:51.960
pertained to that prophetic word being spoken,

00:40:52.179 --> 00:40:55.719
especially you hear Isaiah and all of them, Isaiah,

00:40:55.820 --> 00:40:59.639
Ezekiel, but there's also future implications.

00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.599
You get the book of Revelation and go, wow. He's

00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.059
mirroring back to Ezekiel. He's mirroring back

00:41:05.059 --> 00:41:09.780
to Isaiah. So it's both and, not either or. And

00:41:09.780 --> 00:41:11.820
I think that's where I'm struggling to use the

00:41:11.820 --> 00:41:14.940
word binary, where it makes this hard definition

00:41:14.940 --> 00:41:19.000
between either or and no room for both and. Well,

00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.420
that's what I had to discover. I thought it was

00:41:22.420 --> 00:41:25.900
binary. I thought it was replacement theology,

00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:29.880
dispensationalism. And the more I listen to you

00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.139
and and the more we just had conversations, the

00:41:33.139 --> 00:41:36.699
more I realized, oh, wait a minute, you heard

00:41:36.699 --> 00:41:39.639
the key word here is Schofield study. They say

00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:43.059
Schofield Bible, but we talked about the Schofield

00:41:43.059 --> 00:41:46.760
study Bible. And so the conspiracy theory, and

00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:50.179
this is my territory, you want to launch a conspiracy

00:41:50.179 --> 00:41:52.840
theory, I'm going to look into it. So the theory

00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.019
is that the whole Christian, everybody in Christianity

00:41:58.019 --> 00:42:01.559
believes in the fulfillment and replacement theology

00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:04.460
until this guy came along, and here it comes,

00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:09.079
and he edited the Schofield Study Bible, which

00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:13.280
technically, linguistically, yes, he edited a

00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.579
study Bible. People take that as he edited the

00:42:16.579 --> 00:42:20.260
Bible, and I'm not kidding, this is the genesis

00:42:20.260 --> 00:42:26.159
of the problem, and created this hoax, this non

00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:29.619
-truth, so that people would now be politically

00:42:29.619 --> 00:42:33.639
motivated to defend the 1948 state of Israel

00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:36.739
at any cost. And this is the reason we're in

00:42:36.739 --> 00:42:38.559
the war and we'll pick up covenant theory right

00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:40.940
after this short clip. Yeah, it's really scary.

00:42:41.139 --> 00:42:44.239
Well, it's yeah. And especially since we just,

00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:47.219
you know, wound up in a war thanks to this. I

00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:49.460
mean, it's hard not to see this as all preparation

00:42:49.460 --> 00:42:52.739
for for this war, which is resetting the world.

00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:56.039
And they had to get rid of the the only dissenter

00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:59.639
of that. of Zionism. They had to get rid of her

00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.639
on this commission before the war. It was within

00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.420
weeks. This is the enemy's best, best move ever.

00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:12.960
He has made people believe that because of this

00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:17.500
non -binary choice, because when I look at Schofield,

00:43:17.539 --> 00:43:19.579
I had to go and look at the study Bible, Pastor

00:43:19.579 --> 00:43:23.400
Jimmy, this became difficult for me. He actually

00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:25.480
talks about covenant theory in there as well

00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:29.769
and rejects it. out of whole cloth. No, no, no.

00:43:29.969 --> 00:43:32.829
It can only be dispensationalism and it's these

00:43:32.829 --> 00:43:37.389
periods. So I'm like, oh, hold on a second. So

00:43:37.389 --> 00:43:41.289
he doesn't even think. So they may have actually,

00:43:42.010 --> 00:43:45.110
that Bible, that study Bible may have been set

00:43:45.110 --> 00:43:50.349
up for some reason, possibly, but nobody's talking

00:43:50.349 --> 00:43:54.449
about covenant theology, which to me, It's right

00:43:54.449 --> 00:43:58.150
there in black and white what God has, through

00:43:58.150 --> 00:44:01.369
man, has written in there. This is not something

00:44:01.369 --> 00:44:06.750
from the late 1800s. It's not from a study Bible.

00:44:06.849 --> 00:44:08.789
This is from the original text. It's not somebody's

00:44:08.789 --> 00:44:12.289
opinion about that. No. And for people now to

00:44:12.289 --> 00:44:15.690
use this as the excuse, oh, this is why we're

00:44:15.690 --> 00:44:19.440
going to war. Excuse my French, bullcrap. It's

00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.280
about oil, and this is a sideshow which is hurting,

00:44:23.539 --> 00:44:27.320
I think it's hurting believers who want to just,

00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:29.739
like, and we learned this from our buddy Joe

00:44:29.739 --> 00:44:32.039
who wrote in and said, what do you mean you support

00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.519
Israel? Yeah, yeah, that was good. I'm glad he

00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:37.139
did. It made us think it through. Yes, and I

00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:39.679
think this was God bringing us to this point,

00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:43.099
like, can we just discuss what is really going

00:44:43.099 --> 00:44:46.860
on here and from your theological standpoint,

00:44:46.900 --> 00:44:49.699
which I believe is the same as mine. I'm not

00:44:49.699 --> 00:44:52.480
a theologian, but I'm a Jesus freak, and I can

00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.719
read. Like, we pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

00:44:55.780 --> 00:45:00.039
I pray for peace in the Middle East. If the 1948

00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:03.719
Israeli state is part of fulfillment of Scripture,

00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:08.099
hallelujah! That doesn't change my opinion of

00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:12.280
war, or killing people one way or the other,

00:45:12.500 --> 00:45:16.449
or a government. Do I even like my government

00:45:16.449 --> 00:45:20.170
here in America? That has nothing to do with

00:45:20.170 --> 00:45:23.190
it. Is that a correct way of saying it? Well,

00:45:23.289 --> 00:45:26.130
eschatology, your viewpoint, and there's dozens

00:45:26.130 --> 00:45:28.150
of them out there, but we talked about the top

00:45:28.150 --> 00:45:34.869
three in terms of Israel. It does frame what

00:45:34.869 --> 00:45:38.170
you say. It frames your worldview, but it doesn't

00:45:38.170 --> 00:45:40.690
have to change your worldview. And here's the

00:45:40.690 --> 00:45:42.969
thing is, We've got to be able to think and talk

00:45:42.969 --> 00:45:44.849
about these things and have good conversations

00:45:44.849 --> 00:45:48.130
about them as opposed to coming in, well, no

00:45:48.130 --> 00:45:51.269
one does this outside of America or outside of

00:45:51.269 --> 00:45:53.809
the White House is what she made it sound. They're

00:45:53.809 --> 00:45:57.230
the only ones. I mean, just the broad stroke

00:45:57.230 --> 00:46:01.789
language is completely what's been so frustrating

00:46:01.789 --> 00:46:04.809
over the last few decades in America where if

00:46:04.809 --> 00:46:06.989
you don't agree with me on every point, then

00:46:06.989 --> 00:46:10.130
you hate me. It's more of that type of rhetoric.

00:46:10.710 --> 00:46:13.349
But now it's been drug into theology, it's been

00:46:13.349 --> 00:46:15.789
drug into Christianity, it's been into the faith

00:46:15.789 --> 00:46:19.690
realm. So now faith becomes a weapon again, not

00:46:19.690 --> 00:46:21.510
the first time. And I believe it's a weapon,

00:46:21.849 --> 00:46:24.670
political weapon, to break apart the conservative

00:46:24.670 --> 00:46:29.530
right, which is probably work of Satan itself.

00:46:29.900 --> 00:46:34.460
Like, he has fingerprints all over this for 150

00:46:34.460 --> 00:46:37.199
years. You know, at the end of the day, we need

00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.860
to be honest about things. Does my theology,

00:46:41.219 --> 00:46:43.300
and the word theology, all it means is logic

00:46:43.300 --> 00:46:46.780
-ing about theos, theos, God, Greek word, Koine

00:46:46.780 --> 00:46:50.360
Greek. Theology is the study of, or the logic

00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:53.940
-ing of, the thinking about God. The Scripture

00:46:53.940 --> 00:46:56.219
tells us we've been given the mind of Christ.

00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:59.440
Now, it doesn't mean we're using it, but we've

00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.280
been given it. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't

00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.639
mean I'm always tapping into it. There are days

00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.739
I'm not. There are weeks I'm not. But at the

00:47:06.739 --> 00:47:08.780
end of the day, if we will pause and say, Lord,

00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:11.840
Your Word says that I've been given the mind

00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:14.260
of Christ, and it also says I've not been given

00:47:14.260 --> 00:47:16.480
a spirit of fear, but of power and love and of

00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:20.170
a sound mind, the ability to think well. Lord,

00:47:20.170 --> 00:47:21.989
I want to apply these things. I want to apply

00:47:21.989 --> 00:47:25.409
this truth to me as I think about, as I pray

00:47:25.409 --> 00:47:29.170
about, as I read, as I study, as I ask questions.

00:47:29.929 --> 00:47:34.750
And yet what we see are these, this bold bulldozer

00:47:34.750 --> 00:47:37.590
type, it's not a conversation. These are just

00:47:37.590 --> 00:47:40.570
a series of monologues that are out there, especially

00:47:40.570 --> 00:47:44.150
on podcasts. Here we are. Instead of people being

00:47:44.150 --> 00:47:46.710
humble and saying, you know what? Prove me wrong.

00:47:46.829 --> 00:47:49.230
Help me understand. Maybe I'm not getting it.

00:47:49.829 --> 00:47:53.429
Maybe I don't know the scripture. I'd love to

00:47:53.429 --> 00:47:55.269
hear Tucker say, you know, I really don't know

00:47:55.269 --> 00:47:58.449
the Bible. I'm new to this. I'm learning. But

00:47:58.449 --> 00:48:02.030
for him to say blatantly out loud with passion,

00:48:02.590 --> 00:48:07.050
it's on every page. I mean, it's just shocking

00:48:07.050 --> 00:48:11.349
to me the lack of humility that we should be

00:48:11.349 --> 00:48:15.039
approaching these things in. I see covenant theology

00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:18.179
as, I don't even know if it's a blend or a hybrid,

00:48:18.860 --> 00:48:21.780
but it's the middle ground of saying there's

00:48:21.780 --> 00:48:26.059
this beautiful narrative of God coming to earth

00:48:26.059 --> 00:48:29.920
in the form of his son Jesus to redeem the mistakes,

00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.059
to redeem the sin, to redeem the mishaps and

00:48:33.059 --> 00:48:37.159
missteps of mankind. Now how that impacts Israel,

00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:39.400
how that impacts anybody, at the end of the day,

00:48:39.690 --> 00:48:43.070
it impacts every human being on the planet. So

00:48:43.070 --> 00:48:46.269
can we set some of this stuff aside and talk

00:48:46.269 --> 00:48:50.590
about the real issues here? And it is this, is

00:48:50.590 --> 00:48:54.630
Jesus Christ who he says he was? Is he the Messiah?

00:48:54.769 --> 00:48:57.489
Is he the one they waited so long for? Well,

00:48:57.489 --> 00:49:01.150
according to Simeon, the prophet who held up

00:49:01.150 --> 00:49:04.289
baby Jesus like Mufasa, holding him up, I can

00:49:04.289 --> 00:49:07.500
just hear the song, right? Waited his entire

00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:10.880
lifetime to see the fulfillment of the Messiah

00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.079
coming and he came and Can we focus on what needs

00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:17.599
to be focused on but what these what I'm seeing

00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:21.239
in podcast land and I heard a heard a pastor

00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:24.780
say this recently on his platform is is They're

00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:27.719
not building anyone up They're in the business

00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:30.739
of tearing people down for likes and clicks and

00:49:30.739 --> 00:49:34.840
sponsors and it's like what happened to being

00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:40.159
a life -giving force on the air or in podcast

00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:43.179
world on the internet of saying, let's build

00:49:43.179 --> 00:49:46.360
something up. Let's build something good. And

00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:49.139
that doesn't mean disparaging everybody who doesn't

00:49:49.139 --> 00:49:51.699
agree with you. So that's where my struggle is

00:49:51.699 --> 00:49:56.460
when we get into these arguments over which kind

00:49:56.460 --> 00:49:59.920
of theology you're living in. But I hear what

00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:03.539
you're saying because whatever that is, it frames

00:50:03.539 --> 00:50:07.559
how you see the world. It frames how you interpret

00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:11.719
a war where Israel and America seem to have partnered

00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:17.000
up. A guy who did 11 tours in the Middle East

00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:20.619
whose wife was killed by an IED in Syria, she

00:50:20.619 --> 00:50:26.519
was also a military, he just quit his job because

00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:30.269
he is convinced that Israel dragged us into a

00:50:30.269 --> 00:50:31.989
war that we were supposed to fight for them.

00:50:32.210 --> 00:50:36.690
This breaks my heart. That's the level that it's

00:50:36.690 --> 00:50:40.630
come to. And so when Matt Long has a question

00:50:40.630 --> 00:50:46.190
like that, how can we as believers address this

00:50:46.190 --> 00:50:50.190
without showing a binary choice? And also I would

00:50:50.190 --> 00:50:52.429
say to someone like Tucker, like if you know

00:50:52.429 --> 00:50:54.889
the Bible so well, perhaps you need to look at

00:50:54.889 --> 00:50:58.619
the you know, what's in your own eye when you're

00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:00.659
trying to get the speck out of someone else's,

00:51:00.659 --> 00:51:04.099
you know, it's like we can talk all day in proverbs

00:51:04.099 --> 00:51:06.539
and different scripture about who's right or

00:51:06.539 --> 00:51:10.460
who's wrong. The compassion has been thrown out

00:51:10.460 --> 00:51:15.199
the window and it is the enemy who just wants

00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:19.320
the world to hate Jews and Israel because that

00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:23.659
is the result. So that has to be the mission

00:51:23.659 --> 00:51:29.219
and that by itself tells me that prophecy is

00:51:29.219 --> 00:51:32.360
underway and it's trying to be stopped by the

00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:34.820
ongoing war in the heavenly realm. It actually

00:51:34.820 --> 00:51:37.960
substantiates the prophetic narrative. Can I

00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:39.820
just share something about covenant theology?

00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:43.199
Covenant theology sees the whole Bible as one

00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:46.559
unfolding story of God's promises to His people.

00:51:46.940 --> 00:51:49.940
So there's continuity in this, often highlighting

00:51:49.940 --> 00:51:53.019
continuity, like the church being grafted into

00:51:53.019 --> 00:51:55.380
the family of faith. That's something that a

00:51:55.380 --> 00:51:58.019
lot of people forget, is that we are not the

00:51:58.019 --> 00:52:01.420
vine. We were grafted into it. And that puts

00:52:01.420 --> 00:52:06.739
us not first, it puts us with. See the difference?

00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:09.239
Replacement theology, though a controversial

00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:12.079
label, suggests the church fully replaces Israel

00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:15.639
in God's plan, meaning the promises to Israel

00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:18.880
are now only fulfilled in the church. Covenant

00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:21.400
theology, however, usually sees a role for both.

00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:24.980
more of a grafting in rather than a replacement.

00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:28.239
This is why if I had to identify and say, I'm

00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:32.079
this, which I'd wrestle with that because I'm

00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:34.820
all about definitions and nuances and it's almost

00:52:34.820 --> 00:52:37.340
dangerous to say, I'm this. It's like buying

00:52:37.340 --> 00:52:40.460
a prefabbed home. You didn't choose anything.

00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:42.539
You just stepped into what somebody else built.

00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:44.780
That's why I struggle with a lot of these labels.

00:52:45.340 --> 00:52:47.599
But what I would say I'm more closely aligned

00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:50.539
with is covenant theology. and it's because of

00:52:50.539 --> 00:52:52.840
Romans, the book of Romans, about being grafted

00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.139
into the vine, and that we're to be thankful

00:52:55.139 --> 00:52:58.139
for that and thankful to the Jewish people for

00:52:58.139 --> 00:53:01.400
that. There's a lot of things going on here.

00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:06.960
I want to share a couple of things. Listen to

00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:11.639
what—and this is out of 1 Peter chapter 2, and

00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:15.960
it talks about this. It says this, but you are

00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:20.219
a chosen people, a royal priesthood. a holy nation,

00:53:20.539 --> 00:53:24.559
God's special possession. Now, you just read

00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:27.320
that without any context, a lot of people are

00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.179
going to say, oh, well, that's Israel because

00:53:30.179 --> 00:53:33.300
that's from the book of Ezekiel. And then you

00:53:33.300 --> 00:53:35.699
have to come back and say, actually, this was

00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:40.019
written to the church. This was written to who

00:53:40.019 --> 00:53:46.460
were both Jews and Gentiles. That's why in This

00:53:46.460 --> 00:53:49.000
is why in Ephesians chapter 2, listen to this,

00:53:49.019 --> 00:53:53.440
14, for he himself is our peace. Christ is our

00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:56.639
peace who has made us both one. And he's talking

00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.599
about Jews and Gentiles. He has made us both

00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:03.519
one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing

00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:07.440
wall of hostility. So to me, when I read that,

00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:13.019
I don't see either or. That's the binary thing.

00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:16.860
I see it as both and. That's the continuity of

00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:20.900
covenant theology where, yes, God still has a

00:54:20.900 --> 00:54:23.699
plan for His people. And will I continue to pray

00:54:23.699 --> 00:54:26.400
for them? Absolutely. According to God's Word,

00:54:26.420 --> 00:54:29.079
I'll stand on that and pray for them and ask

00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:32.539
God to save them because it says until the time

00:54:32.539 --> 00:54:35.179
of the Gentiles is fulfilled. Well, it hasn't

00:54:35.179 --> 00:54:37.440
been fulfilled yet because evangelism is still

00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:39.539
happening. The Great Commission is still happening.

00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:43.949
So in the meantime, I pray for the redemption

00:54:43.949 --> 00:54:46.690
and the salvation of Israel and Jerusalem, of

00:54:46.690 --> 00:54:49.349
course, that they would come to know Jesus Christ

00:54:49.349 --> 00:54:51.849
as Savior. I don't mean that to be offensive

00:54:51.849 --> 00:54:54.590
to any Jewish person. It's from a heart of love.

00:54:55.010 --> 00:54:57.650
It's from a heart of compassion. It's from a

00:54:57.650 --> 00:54:59.809
heart of somebody who was not always a Christian.

00:55:01.050 --> 00:55:04.929
A guy who, like you, later in life came to Christ

00:55:04.929 --> 00:55:07.130
and was like, oh my goodness, this is amazing.

00:55:07.690 --> 00:55:10.190
Then, as a new Christian, you're looking out

00:55:10.190 --> 00:55:11.610
going, what are you guys fighting all about?

00:55:12.210 --> 00:55:14.190
Why are you guys fighting all the time? We've

00:55:14.190 --> 00:55:16.969
got business to do. We've got work to do. We

00:55:16.969 --> 00:55:20.869
have a good message to share with everybody else,

00:55:21.010 --> 00:55:24.550
but we're going to sit. You made a comment, this

00:55:24.550 --> 00:55:27.510
side issue, this side thing or sidebar, whatever

00:55:27.510 --> 00:55:30.250
you said, something earlier. That's really what

00:55:30.250 --> 00:55:34.170
happens. These sidebar things become the main

00:55:34.170 --> 00:55:36.989
thing which distracts us from the real main thing.

00:55:37.550 --> 00:55:39.530
And that is sharing the love of God, sharing

00:55:39.530 --> 00:55:41.630
the mercy of God, the grace of God, the heart

00:55:41.630 --> 00:55:45.429
of God to the world. And my Jewish friends, Israeli

00:55:45.429 --> 00:55:48.369
friends, I'm looking at you, Sir Brian. I love

00:55:48.369 --> 00:55:51.210
that guy, by the way. What I love about him is

00:55:51.210 --> 00:55:53.889
we can discuss, I can discuss Christ with him

00:55:53.889 --> 00:55:56.690
and he'll just say, oh yeah, you know, just so

00:55:56.690 --> 00:55:59.539
you know. we see him as an insurrectionist, he

00:55:59.539 --> 00:56:02.460
wasn't the guy. And we can move on from there.

00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:04.320
Exactly. And we can move on. It's not a hate

00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:06.239
conversation. And it's not like I'm not praying

00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:09.539
for him, he's praying for me. We are. And that's

00:56:09.539 --> 00:56:14.079
what's beautiful. It's just so unfortunate that

00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:18.179
our culture, particularly in America, but also

00:56:18.179 --> 00:56:22.960
in Europe and other continents, is obsessed with

00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:26.550
this. And unfortunately, I've seen the results

00:56:26.550 --> 00:56:30.070
of how some of this ends up, and it's not pretty.

00:56:30.309 --> 00:56:32.449
And then everyone is like, oh, that really sucked.

00:56:32.530 --> 00:56:34.110
We shouldn't have done that. We should have killed

00:56:34.110 --> 00:56:37.090
all these Jews. Let's reboot, and we won't do

00:56:37.090 --> 00:56:42.690
that again. And it gets so bad where you get

00:56:42.690 --> 00:56:45.050
restrictions on freedom of speech, which are

00:56:45.050 --> 00:56:48.710
kind of creeping in very slowly, which I'm a

00:56:48.710 --> 00:56:51.690
little nervous about. I mean, to say to a university,

00:56:51.809 --> 00:56:55.019
you can't have this kind of speech going on,

00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:58.039
or we won't fund you. It's like, that's borderline.

00:56:58.139 --> 00:57:00.840
It's almost the problem in the opposite direction,

00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:03.699
almost like overcorrection. It's like overcorrecting

00:57:03.699 --> 00:57:05.880
wokeness. Like, no, no, no, we can't have that

00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:09.519
either. So there's all these issues when ultimately,

00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:12.960
and this won't happen in the next four years,

00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.500
but I think we will see that President Trump

00:57:15.500 --> 00:57:18.659
did a very courageous thing. If he pulls it off

00:57:18.659 --> 00:57:23.539
and he believes he will, we could see an incredible

00:57:23.539 --> 00:57:26.619
flourishing of peace in the Middle East. And

00:57:26.619 --> 00:57:29.820
prosperity. Prosperity for all, including the

00:57:29.820 --> 00:57:33.480
Iranian people. Exactly. And the Syrians, and

00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:36.579
Jordanians, and Iraqis, and it really could get

00:57:36.579 --> 00:57:39.400
to a great place. He did an amazing thing. I

00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:41.920
just have to mention this. Did you see the State

00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.880
of the Union? You probably saw the clip where

00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.039
he said, if you think Americans should be supported

00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:50.440
by their government over illegal alien stand

00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.389
-up, Yes, and you know half of the Democrats

00:57:53.389 --> 00:57:56.449
or more didn't get up Yeah, he in essence did

00:57:56.449 --> 00:57:59.909
the same thing. He said anybody who thinks that

00:57:59.909 --> 00:58:04.050
we should be Taking down this regime and opening

00:58:04.050 --> 00:58:06.309
up the Straits of Hormuz and keeping that safe

00:58:06.309 --> 00:58:10.750
send your ships over he said that on on Sunday

00:58:10.750 --> 00:58:14.199
a Monday he said well There you go. You guys

00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:18.000
are no good. We'll remember. What that was was

00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:21.780
we're taking away that premium of $15 on a barrel

00:58:21.780 --> 00:58:24.300
of oil. We're going to take that. We're going

00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:26.719
to secure it. We're going to ensure shipping.

00:58:27.260 --> 00:58:30.800
Now, he's not there yet. I'm just going to pray

00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:32.619
for him that he gets there. He's systematically

00:58:32.619 --> 00:58:34.500
deconstructing something that's been there. He's

00:58:34.500 --> 00:58:38.760
pulling apart a very old worldwide financial

00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:42.539
globalist system. And instead of seeing that

00:58:42.539 --> 00:58:46.719
and praying for him and for our military men

00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:49.880
and for everyone in the conflict, we're obsessed

00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:55.110
with this one issue that is all... ultimately

00:58:55.110 --> 00:58:57.809
meant to influence the midterm elections. Can

00:58:57.809 --> 00:58:59.929
I settle something? Please do. Can I just kind

00:58:59.929 --> 00:59:01.750
of go to the end of the story and pull a Paul

00:59:01.750 --> 00:59:04.969
Harvey moment here? Yes, sir. Roman's 11, 25,

00:59:05.030 --> 00:59:10.030
and 26. This is where, in these arguments, whether

00:59:10.030 --> 00:59:12.769
it's Tucker and this lady or Tucker and whoever.

00:59:12.829 --> 00:59:14.590
Everybody. It seems like Tucker and everybody

00:59:14.590 --> 00:59:17.429
right now is always talking about this. No one

00:59:17.429 --> 00:59:20.949
has ever pulled this passage up. Romans 11, 25

00:59:20.949 --> 00:59:25.349
says this. This is the Apostle Paul in his completely

00:59:25.349 --> 00:59:29.829
amazing epic work, theological work, Weight and

00:59:29.829 --> 00:59:32.030
Gravity, the book of Romans. It's the greatest

00:59:32.030 --> 00:59:35.070
theology. It is big. He says, I do not want you

00:59:35.070 --> 00:59:37.849
to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and

00:59:37.849 --> 00:59:40.530
sisters, so that you may not be conceited or

00:59:40.530 --> 00:59:44.769
arrogant. Israel has experienced a hardening,

00:59:44.969 --> 00:59:48.070
in part, until the full number of the Gentiles

00:59:48.070 --> 00:59:53.590
has come in. Boom. So right there, God In his

00:59:53.590 --> 00:59:56.250
plan, which is bigger than we can even wrap our

00:59:56.250 --> 01:00:01.750
minds around, he puts a cap on Israel, not to

01:00:01.750 --> 01:00:05.829
punish them, but to create an opportunity for

01:00:05.829 --> 01:00:10.329
us to come into the same blessing. This is huge.

01:00:10.329 --> 01:00:12.210
This goes back to the grafting and the vine,

01:00:12.849 --> 01:00:16.409
but listen how he ends it. Verse 26, and in this

01:00:16.409 --> 01:00:22.460
way, all Israel will be saved. As it is written,

01:00:22.780 --> 01:00:25.940
the deliverer will come from Zion, that was Christ,

01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:30.699
he came out of Israel, he will turn godlessness

01:00:30.699 --> 01:00:36.179
away from Jacob. He's saying that because the

01:00:36.179 --> 01:00:40.099
Israelites in a sense were forced to participate

01:00:40.099 --> 01:00:42.739
in the fullness of the Gentiles, the Gentiles

01:00:42.739 --> 01:00:46.320
coming in, he's saying because of that great

01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:50.019
sacrifice, then they will be saved, they will

01:00:50.019 --> 01:00:53.849
be redeemed. This is what Paul was trying to

01:00:53.849 --> 01:00:56.170
help understand and that it was a mystery because

01:00:56.170 --> 01:00:59.170
people didn't understand is why would why would

01:00:59.170 --> 01:01:02.690
God turn the Israelites the Jewish people's face

01:01:02.690 --> 01:01:07.110
away from Christ and It was in order that the

01:01:07.110 --> 01:01:09.510
Gentiles would be able to come in and when that

01:01:09.510 --> 01:01:11.590
time is up whatever then whenever that is all

01:01:11.590 --> 01:01:15.429
the fullness of time Then he says all of Israel

01:01:15.429 --> 01:01:19.230
will be saved. This is where I go back to when

01:01:19.230 --> 01:01:21.489
people are just losing their minds over this

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stuff. And I go, can we just read the end of

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the book? Let's read the end of this treatise

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of the Apostle Paul who declares both is going

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to happen. The Gentiles are going to come in.

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The fullness, that's us. You and I are reaping

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that right now. But also the Jewish people, Israel

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will be saved. It's all Igbok. It's going to

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be okay. My favorite coffee mug. It's going to

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be okay. God has a plan. He's working the plan.

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We can split hairs on it all day long and get

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mad and get upset and create 500 more podcasts.

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You know what I mean? Yeah. And get sponsors

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and clicks and lights and all that. But at the

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end of the day, we're taking something that's

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already been settled in Scripture and just pontificating

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about it. Amen. And slaughtering one another

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verbally. relationally. Families are divided

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over this kind of stuff. That is not the intent

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of Scripture, to divide. Although it does say,

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Father, we turn against His Son. I mean, it does

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divide just by its very nature. He came to divide.

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By its very nature. And yet He's the Prince of

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Peace. You know, for me, it's heavy. It's like,

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I don't portend. Is that the right word? I don't

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know what God's plan is. Jesus said he'd know

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when it was all going to happen. Even the Son

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of God does not know when it's going to happen.

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So why would I even be bothered worrying about

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it? I've got a job to do. That's one job. And

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that is, you know, go out and make more disciples.

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I think that's the only job. It's not my job

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to argue about other stuff. And here's what we

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know, and I'm sorry to interrupt. This is very

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important. He is coming again. He's coming back.

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And that was the primary driver of the first

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century when they said of the disciples, these

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men are turning the world upside down. That was

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the driver. Jesus promised he would come back

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and they lived into that promise. And because

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he's tarried, because he didn't, that doesn't

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diminish what it accomplished. And it should

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be accomplishing the same thing in you and me.

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we're 2 ,000 years closer to him coming back.

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And tomorrow will be another day, 24 hours closer,

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which means the further this goes down, the higher

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the probability of that this could be the day,

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this could be the year, and that should drive

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us. What it should do is create guardrails on

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our lives to say, I want to be ready. That's

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what the whole point of eschatology is. It's

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not to have charts and graphs and numbers and

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all this stuff. But that makes for a great podcast.

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Well, it sells books too. It sells books. It

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makes movies. It does all kinds of stuff. There's

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a whole industry built around this, but at the

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end of the day, it is meant to be a driver for

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us to give us guard rails so that we are ready

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when he returns, whenever that is. I'm going

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to end it on that, brother. I really appreciate

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your insight on this. Of course. And I hope someone

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Someone out there got something from this and

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you can just calm down Calm down. It's gonna

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be okay. Yes And with that we will land this

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plane will be back next week with another episode

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of we get to do this