Father, what a privilege it is to be before you
on this last day of 2025. Lord, we close this
chapter with joy and we embrace the new chapter,
2026, with hope, with faith, and with expectation.
And Lord, We truly do get to do this. We give
this to you in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. It's Wednesday,
December 31st, 2025. We get to do this. This
is episode number 16. We get to do this. Yes,
we do. Merry Christmas. Happy New Year, brother.
Amen, brother. I am pumped about the new year.
I love the change. I like the turning of the
page. Yeah, you do. You like the changing of
the seasons. I do. Yeah. I'm with you on that.
I'm in it. I celebrate that. I celebrate that
more than I do my own birthdays or anything like
that because... Which is coming up. It is. Is
it the 11th, I want to say? No, the 30th. I'm
an Aquarius. Oh, so I have time to get your present
all squared away. Oh, man. Present, man. It hasn't
come in yet. Don't do that. No, please. I have
a Christmas and birthday present for you. So
something that you do in our church here, we're
in the Bridge Church Studios in Fredericksburg,
Texas. There's one other person here, I think.
There's staff just popping in and popping out.
We're all off. I always love being here in the
clubhouse, man, in the clubhouse, especially
when it's dark everywhere. The sanctuary's dimly
lit. I know, I love it. There's such a cool vibe
to it. But something, ever since I've been going
to this church, the church, the only church I've
ever been to, really, is a word of the year.
So I'd love to hear, I think I know what it is
because you've kind of alluded to it. And usually
you talk about that in the new year from the
pulpit. So bring it on brother. Let's give everybody
a preview. Very simple. Oh, so every year instead
of doing resolutions and I used to do that and
then I would forget them in three weeks or I
just lose my piece of paper. Where'd I put that?
What was that resolution? I don't even remember
where I wrote that down. So that I got really
frustrated that and goal setting can be way overrated.
So I, I stumbled on this thing probably 15 years
ago called My One Word. There was actually a
book about it. It was kind of a movement back
then. I don't know, some just regular guy caught,
you know, just kind of caught, it caught traction.
So you can actually look it up. And so, and there
was a website, I don't know if it's still rolling,
but it was a few years ago. And it's just, they'd
help you try to find your one word. You know,
here's a little exercise to let you find it.
So I started doing that. I found that was a much
better thing for me. I can remember one thing.
You can write it on your arm and it will stay
there. Right. It's easy. And I like the idea
of a theme as opposed to just a bunch of goals.
Like I said, I think goal settings way overrated.
It keeps you living in defeat for the most, depressed
all the time. Like a to -do list for me. A to
-do list is like that. Yes. A to -do list are
lost on me. I have yellow pads stacked high in
my closet with undone to -dos. And then you add
another thing to the to -do list and then, oh,
I got an electronic to -do list. Oh, I can add
more and have more that I'll never get to. Oh,
so Annette and I share our notes on the grocery
list. So sometimes when I'm at the store, it
starts to populate more while I'm there. Interesting
how that happens. That does not make me happy.
Because somehow it sounds like someone knows
you're there and things get added to the list.
It's very self -defeating because I'm like, oh,
I'm almost done. I've got two more things and
three more things pop up. I'm like, no, no. And
it's on the other side of HIV. That's hilarious.
It's a big store. But anyway, so that my one
word was a thing. And so every year around early
December, I just start just asking the Lord,
you know, what would be a theme that I want to
lean into? Sometimes I do a theme that's real
obvious, like very practical, like the one I'm
going to share today. Other times it's a little
more abstract. It's a broader thing. So, and
there's no rules. That's a thing because I have
people come up to me in church that are rule
followers. They'll go, I couldn't get one word,
but I got a phrase. Is that okay? I'm like, no,
I don't know. You're going to be penalized for
that. Like, no, there's no law. Three Hail Marys.
Whatever works for you, you know, it's kind of
funny. But you know, the rule followers will
do that. And I'm like, no, whatever. So I've
done this for years. So this year, I caught onto
this early in December and, but you know, it's
not like a Sometimes you get a download and you
know, man, this is direct from Throne Central.
This wasn't so much. It was more, what do I want
to emphasize for me? I mean, what am I, as I'm
leaning into a new year, and the one thing that
I love doing out in public, when I'm out at a
store, I'm always looking for an opportunity
to pray for somebody. And I don't do it in a
very low -key way. I don't want to make it weird
for people. It's so nice when somebody just walks
up to you and sees that you're having a rough
go or something. And they say, hey, do you mind
if I pray for you? I'm just like, please, please
do. And I've had that happen out in public before.
And then of course we ended up finding out who
we all are. And it's great, brothers and sisters.
So last year had an incident happen to me. There
was an elderly gentleman at a Target of all places.
Annette's over in the girl section, so I'll wander
over to the dude. You mean woodworking? Right,
yeah. Yeah, the man cave. Kitchens and cabinets.
So I went over to the guy stuff just to see.
I rarely buy anything there, but anyway, I'm
just getting away from the ladies. Power tools.
Occupying my time. I see this elderly guy and
he looks a little distraught. He looks lost.
And I'm like, oh man, I hope this guy's... got
dementia or something. Not having an episode
or something. Yeah, yeah. He just seems that
way. So I just go up to him. I said, sir, can
I help you? And he goes, yeah, I'm looking for
something, something. I said, oh, it's over here.
I actually saw that. I walk him over there. I
learned his life story as we're walking. He just,
an older guy who's lonely. Turns out his wife
has full -blown dementia and they can't even
have a conversation anymore. So this guy's lonely
and his wife is gone, basically. Yet she's still
there. So, and he's not supposed to be driving,
but he drove anyway, because he needed to pick
up some things. So I mean, it's just a really
sad situation. My heart is broke for the guy.
And I just said, can I pray for you? He said,
thank you so much. Please do. And so we just
had a sweet time and that really marked me of
wanting to do that more often and be more sensitive
to people. So I try to keep my eye open. But
the best way to do that is to create a filter
for it Like like if you're gonna go car shopping
and you've got set in your mind. I want a white
SUV a pearl white SUV Toyota whatever RAV4 whatever
the brand is Suddenly you start seeing them everywhere.
Why because you have a filter for it. You have
a grid I call it the 10 speed bike thing. You
got a 10 speed bike. You see him riding everywhere.
They're everywhere. Yeah, so same thing So I
thought, I want to create a filter for let's
pray. So my word is pray, but my phrase is let's
pray. And so I determined this in early December.
Well, I've probably had 20 or 30 opportunities
to do this since because I've got the filter
for it. Yeah. So you're seeing opportunities.
Oh my gosh. God just brings people in your path
that are struggling. And it could be a clerk
at HEB or checkout lady at HEB. Hey, how's your
day going? Well, I'll get off in five minutes.
I'm so tired. I'm sorry. You mind if I pray for
you? That's great. Let me just breathe a little
prayer. I won't even, nobody will even notice.
And they're like, thank you. I'm like, let's
pray. So it's just, let's praise my thing. I
love it. And you know, that Matthew West song,
you know, don't stop praying, don't stop praying.
That kind of imprinted me a couple, about three
years ago. Oh yeah. That was a great song. And
it just, the ongoing, it creates a grid for it.
So I just kind of let that settle in my spirit.
That's kind of my theme song for the year. So
if I feel like I need to increase that grid,
like I'm driving down the road, I'll throw that
song on, listen to it. Oh yeah, just that reminder.
Don't stop praying. That's fantastic. That's
it. That's a simple thing. It's inspirational
too. Yeah, it's simple and it helps me. So this
one is a very practical theme, but I've had more
broad themes like engage or converge. they're
open to a lot of interpretation and application.
This one's more direct and simple. So that's
it. So my word, I initially thought I had my
word and then a new word was presented to me
just recently. And that can happen mid -year
too. There's no law to this. But I've become
so conscious of the Holy Spirit. You know, like
I'm watching a particular YouTube video I'm interested
in. My thumb hits something and a different one
pops up. I'm like, ah! I'm like, wait a minute,
maybe that wasn't an accident. Let me stay and
watch and see what popped up. So a word pop was
presented to me, literally. And I'm kind of breaking
the rules because it's Hebrew. Ooh, I like that.
That's even better. Kava. Kava. Q -A -V -A -H.
Which, as I understand it, means waiting. But
it's not passively waiting, it's actively waiting.
And the analogy that I like the most is it's
like you're weaving a rope and you're intertwining
the different smaller pieces of rope to create
this rope while you're waiting for the necessity
to use this rope. That's really good. And I'm
like, wow, this is perfect because we've been
talking about God's perfect timing, delay is
not denial. I'm like, So yeah, waiting, waiting
for God's perfect timing, but not sitting still,
doing whatever you're supposed to be doing. And
that rope is... So that's... Man, good word,
bro. That's... much deeper than mine. Mine's
just like, all right, let's just do this. Every
year it's different, and sometimes it'll be deep
and have a lot of depth like that one, and sometimes
it's just real practical. I'm going to use pray
too though, man. I'd like that. I want to create
a grid. I'm going to keep bringing this up for
our church because I want our people to be that
way, to be where... Man, I just told Scott, let's
pray, and we did. Well, that happened to me when
we had our free concert, The Greatest Story Ever
Told, our Mark plots in December. Which was awesome,
by the way. Thank you very much for being there
doing the prayer, even though I'd forgotten to
tell you that I expected you to do that. I was
ready. But at the end, I'm like, we have people
here with t -shirts on. If you need them to pray
for you, then they're here for you. And I'm like,
and the lady comes up to me and says, will you
pray for me? Nice. And I wasn't expecting it
because I'm like, oh, I have no responsibility
here. I've given it to the people with the t
-shirts on. I'm like, yeah. That's cool. And
it was. And I pray for her almost every single
day. It was a health issue. Almost every day,
I'm like, Lord, she came to me. And so I'm praying
for her to be lifted up while you're doing your
healing. And it just stuck with me. And you're
right, how awesome it is to pray for someone.
And it's so simple. And you don't have to make
a big deal out of it. So I've learned to be very
discreet so that I don't embarrass people, because
that's the last thing you want to be distracted
because you're laying hands on them. You're calling
down the Holy Ghost and praying in tongues. It's
just so to the point, so quick. And then you're
like, man, have a great day. we get to do this,
the title of this podcast, and it really came
together for me in a number of ways. And I found
what I realized is we are so uniquely qualified
together for what we're going to talk about today.
Me, from the conspiracy therapist point of view,
you as a theologian and a pastor and being from
my generation, you know, I'm a boomer adjacent,
but we're both kind of the same age. I'm on the
bubble. And it started actually started before
last week, before Christmas, which we were supposed
to do a show. Well, we didn't actually talk about
it, but we both considered like, you know, we
got stuff going on at the church like family
in town. It'll be OK if we don't if we don't
do the show. And it was a passage that I came
across that completely led me down a two week
journey to where I am today. And it's a tough
topic actually because it's hotly debated and
it completely ties in with what's happening in
culture today. And so my task was to deconstruct
it. What's going on? Where is this coming from?
And I'll give you the passage first because this
was amazing. 2 Timothy 3 verse 1 through 9. I'm
going to look it up. And I took the message version
because I want everyone to hear this because
the message version really hits home. Here we
go. Don't be naive. There are difficult times
ahead. As the end approaches, people are going
to be self -absorbed, money -hungry, self -promoting,
stuck -up, profane, contemptuous of parents,
crude, coarse, dog -eat -dog, unbending, slanderers,
impulsively wild, savage, cynical, treacherous,
ruthless, bloated windbags addicted to lust and
allergic to God. They'll make a show of religion,
but behind the scenes their animals stay clear
of these people. These are the kind of people
who smooth talk themselves into the homes of
unstable and needy women and take advantage of
them. Women who, depressed by their sinfulness,
take up with every new religious fad that calls
itself truth. They get exploited every time and
never really learn. These men are like those
old Egyptian frauds, Johnnus and Jambrus. who
challenged Moses they were rejects from the faith
twisted in their thinking defying truth itself
but nothing will come of these latest imposters
everyone will see through them just as people
saw through that Egyptian hoax I could only think
of 15 names of influencers who fit this description
I'm with you and I'm like okay Now things start
to clear up for me. Thank you, Holy Spirit, by
the way. It just comes and comes. And I was actually
sick. So my body was immobilized. My brain was
like supercharged. And I don't know what happened,
but it just came. And I have more notes than
we'll ever even be able to discuss. More just
for myself so I can go back later and look at
it. We can do two -parter. I mean, we can always
carry this conversation. We'll see. You cannot
discuss this in one sitting alone. But this is
what I love about our friendship is I can come
to you as a new Christian and say, what about
this? How does this work? And I realized that
Charlie Kirk's death created an enormous vacuum.
And this vacuum, it was already starting before
he was killed. but this vacuum got filled up
very, very quickly. And if you look at it from
the top down, it starts with Israel killed Charlie
Kirk, the Jews killed Charlie Kirk, there's been
a lot of, I don't even know if it's anti -Semitism,
it's very hateful speech is what it is, and I'm
not against any speeches speech. So I started
to look at this and start to go from the top
down and deconstruct what's really underlying
all this, which I think at the end is always
the enemy. But if true, and I believe it is,
the enemy really filled this void very quickly,
very quickly. So I'm going to start with Candice
Owens just because she's kind of the tip of the
spear. She started off the whole... Egyptian
hoax. I mean, literally Egyptian plain. So when
I read this scripture, I'm like, thank you, Lord.
I'm starting to see the parallels here. And she
was on Theo Vonn's podcast. And she starts with
something that I have debunked many times. We've
talked about it, but I just want to roll through
it because it leads into the next piece, which
leads down the ladder to the root of all of these
issues. Israel is actually the exception. They
are the only country that's allowed to lobby.
Americans like everyone else has to register
as you know foreign agents and under under farah
or whatever Yes, a pack the backstory by the
way before JFK got shot. He was fighting a pack
They were previously called I'm blanking on this
it was you can look it up And he was literally
saying you have to register under the foreign
act. Is that true? Let's 1 ,000 percent sure
and you should look it up. We should fact -check
He was fighting with what is today known as APAC,
as it was renamed, AZCPA. I don't know what that
stood for. In 1959, AZCPA was renamed APAC, American
Israel Public Affairs Committee, reflecting a
broader membership and mission. Yeah, so JFK
told them that they had to register under Farah.
And so American Zionist Council, that's exactly
what it was called in 1962. President, look at
the last paragraph in 1962. They're reading from
Wikipedia, by the way, which is not necessarily
a good source, but always accurate. This is where
it kind of falls apart. So 1962. President John
F. Kennedy and his brother Bobby, as a U .S.
Attorney General, forced the AZC to register
as a foreign agent. In doing so, they were barred
from making money. contributions to U .S. officials.
Who was barred? AZC? Yeah, so APAC, for lack
of a better term, they were called AZC back then,
but continued to send out newsletters and hold
events with a nonprofit tax exemption. And then
what happened was he was shot. So they are the
only, the reason why I'm bringing this up is
not to further conspiracy theories. They're the
only country that's allowed to lobby Americans
that are not registered under the FAR Act. But
for whatever reason, Israel is an exception to
this. And the reason is because JFK got shot.
Otherwise, they would have been under this. So
that is the reason that they're allowed to do
this lie Wow, so man leap but but you know to
the In the culture that we're in now, it's and
I should probably step back and say something
happened and it happened pretty much around Charlie
Kirk's Assassination where it became not only
okay to speak against Israel and to say the Jews
did this, it became kind of heroic. So like,
hey man, I got free speech, I'm speaking out
against it and I can do this. And so when you
do this, you get attention. I called punk rock
podcasting very much like the Sex Pistols. God
save the queen, she ain't no human being. You
couldn't say that. They broke through that barrier
and then of course that's why they were cool
for a season. Rage against the machine. Yes,
for a season, for a season. So this is factually
just not true. It is true that the American Zionist
Council they were lobbying Congress and they
were receiving money from Israel. And in 1959,
not 1962, 1959, they got rid of ACC and they
renamed their group as APAC, the American Israeli.
It's not political action committee, it's a more
friendly term. And that money... comes only from
American Israelis, or Jewish Americans, I should
say. And it's probably $100 million goes into
different senators. This is the process that
we have. You can redress your government. So
it was not because... they didn't want to change
their name and then they killed JFK and then
they just rebranded. No, they actually split
it into APAC, which is a 501C4. That's a nonprofit
where if you donate to them, it's not tax deductible
and they can use that to lobby Congress. The
NRA has that and there's all these different
types of organizations, of lobbying organizations.
But their money cannot come from from outside
America, and it doesn't. Now, there is a nice
little trick that was played. They also have
the American Israeli Education Foundation, which
is a 501C3. Everything you donate to that is
tax deductible. This, by the way, is the same
for Turning Point USA. They have two different
entities, one for lobbying and one for a nonprofit.
And the American Israeli Education Foundation,
their website literally says, we give our money
to AIPAC. Yeah. So they're not hiding anything.
But who funds it? That's no, it's not foreign
countries that fund the American Israeli Education
Foundation. It's Raytheon, Boeing, it's the military
industrial complex. And so it is a, it is, if
anything, an abuse of Jewish Americans to kind
of hide under You know, under the cover, well,
this is American Jews who just have interests
for themselves in America, and of course, you
can't coordinate with an Israeli government.
But, as I'll show in a moment, This is not unique.
It is not the only organization that does this
because everyone knows if you if you try to mess
with them, you'll get assassinated. That's because
that's what she's implying. Here she doubled
down, doubles down. So when you hear these people
in your government saying this, you should know
how fraudulent they are because they all are
taking money from Israel. And so it's like, yes.
So just to reiterate. They may be taking money
from the NRA, from APAC, from any other number
of lobbying organizations. It literally does
not, by law, does not come from Israel. It just
doesn't. It's from American citizens. Is Israel
doing it legally because a president got shot?
Sure. But it's wrong. A country should not be
able to lobby to get what they want and control
our congressmen. And you get to see them flex
that muscle like... TikTok and things of nature,
when they are now interfering with our speech,
and they'll get laws passed really quickly. She's
now insinuating that AIPAC lobbied Congress to
have TikTok taken away from China and given to
Israel, which is also not true. But Larry Ellison,
who's a Jew, is part of the consortium, therefore...
He's given it to Israel. See, these shortcuts
are the things that you got to pay attention
to when you're deconstructing what people are
saying. Literally a foreign country to make decisions
in our nation. Lobbying should just not be allowed
full stop. That is also not true. Our constitution
says you may redress your government. Has it
become a convoluted thing? Absolutely. But you've
got to hold your representatives to account,
not the legality of redressing your government.
They go, oh, well, you're focusing on it because
they're Jewish. No, you're just the only country
that's allowed to do it. I would feel the same
way if China, if there was a Chinese lobby that
was spending... Is China allowed to do it? No,
there's no other country that's allowed to do
this but Israel. Only AIPAC. There's no other
country that is... Okay, this is a lie. Under
the exact same... system. We have ANCA, the Armenian
National Committee of America. We have the Cuban
American National Foundation, CANF. We have the
United States India Political Action Committee.
It's actually quite big. So that's USINPAC. We
have the American Hellenic Institute, that's
Greece and Cyprus. By the way, very political,
especially Cyprus, very political. We have the
National Iranian Council, the NIAC. Well, where's
all the outrage over them lobbying our government?
It is a lie. In fact, we also have the, I have
it here, the UNCB, it's the United States China
Business Council, who Obviously, and Apple's
in there and Google's in there, and they want
to make sure that they have regulations so they
can appease the Chinese government to use their
products. So to say that Israel, which is not
true, is the only one, right? And it's not Iran,
it's not India, it is American citizens who are
legal, legally immigrated citizens of our great
country, they can redress their government. any
way they want, as long as they don't take funds
or coordinate directly with those governments.
Now, is there coordination? You know, it would
be hard to say no to any of these, but to just
flat out say, Only Israel gets to do this is
a lie. angry like that should make people angry
and irrespective like I said it could be any
country okay so we just have to take on face
value that she is shallow in her research but
this is a common theme that's out there so as
I'm looking at Candace it starts to become obvious
to me that the root of all this comes from this
now slur Christian Zionism the Zionists you know
it is now cool And by the way, I understand because
I've read my history, I understand what people
are unhappy with their lives, with the economy
and undoubtedly Generation Z zoomers think they
have it really bad. I mean, I have a whole comparison
chart where I can show you that wasn't so easy
for us either. You think it's hard to find someone
to to be with. When we were growing up, we had
AIDS, okay? You would die if you had sex. You
know, yeah, it's tough to find a house. We had
19 % interest rates. That's right. You know,
climate change. We had the ozone and acid rain,
but what we didn't have is parents who would
give us an allowance until we were 30 and let
us live at their house. So I'm just not going
to accept all of these incredible hardships.
But of course, it's easy when you can say, Well,
it's obvious because our government is controlled
by AIPAC, by Israel. They're being blackmailed
by the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. There's no
evidence of this. Now, is there blackmailing?
I'm sure. But is all of our Congress completely
compromised? Doubtful. So who do we blame? Not
Congress, not the intelligence agencies. We blame
Israel. And fold into that the which, of course,
you and I have known what's been going on and
have seen it with our own eyes since the 70s,
where finally it all came to a head and there
was an all -out war between Israel and the people
living in Gaza. I'm saying that specifically
because the trap is to call them Palestinians.
And, you know, if you have not been educated
in geopolitics and history, it's easy to say,
well, that's a genocide and these people are
horrible. They control our country, they control
our president, etc. Just a little bit of geopolitical
background. The modern state of Israel was created
in 1948 based upon a 1917 initiative in England
called the Balfour Declaration. And the Balfour
Declaration really was a geopolitical move. It
was to have an outpost that the British Empire
could have some control over to protect the Suez
Canal Which is exactly the same reason why the
United States State Department after the Vietnam
War said hey We should use these guys as an aircraft
carrier in the sand so we should be supporting
them of course just like everything else, we'll
use faith and religion and all kinds of other
reasons to cover up what we're really talking
about. And this is to this day is still true.
Joe Biden even said, if there was no Israel,
we'd have to create it. And Obama said similar
things. And that's just the truth. That has been
our outpost in this predominantly Muslim area.
That's a podcast for a whole nother thing. So
what this leads to is this whole Christian Zionism.
And this is where the church gets involved. And,
you know, the American church, these are Zionists,
so they must be in on it, they must be getting
shekels. I mean, it just goes on and on and on.
And this has led to an enormous anti -Semitism
in general, which I don't think is stoppable,
but it's good to understand its origins. And
it comes from something that really, this is
the crux of where I want to go with you. the
difference between dispensationalism and, I'm
blanking for a second, successionism. Okay, and
then there's cessationalism, so there's several.
Well thank you, because so really it boils down
to a new theory, which is just fabulous, which
is the Schofield Bible. And I've done a very
deep dive on the Schofield Bible So let's listen
and these some of these clips are actually some
of these clips are a long but I want to Take
a friendly voice John Rich country singer. Mm
-hmm. This started before Before Charlie was
killed he was on Tucker and he talked about the
Schofield Bible Have you ever heard of a Schofield
Bible? Yes, I have okay So C .S. Gofield was
basically a student of John Darby, and he adopted
that part of the doctrine, and he incorporated
that into the Bible. It was the first Bible ever
made that had study notes with it. We have all
kinds of Bibles now that have, you know, concordances
and study notes and all kinds of stuff that go
along, but this was the first one that was ever
made. It became so popular. Every Christian was
reading it, every minister was reading it, and
this continues today, to this exact second. My
own dad, when he went in seminary and wanted
to become a minister, they said, make sure you
have a Schofield Bible now when you come to class.
Have your Schofield Bible. Schofield Bible also
adopted that entire John Darby philosophy of
Christians will not be here when the bad stuff
starts to happen. And most Christians still believe
that. Matter of fact, a lot of my friends that
are Christians are going to watch this interview
are probably right now going, hang on a minute,
now hang on. So this is pushing back against
a doctrine that's been in existence now for coming
up on 200 years. The problem with that doctrine
is there's several places in the Bible where
it talks about what's going to happen prior to
Jesus Christ coming back to the earth. When he
does come back, that is when what we call the
rapture happens. The word rapture is nowhere
in the Bible. It talks about us being caught
up with him and pulled out of here, and then
the ultimate wrath is poured out on this planet.
That's what we call the rapture. So that's not
in debate. The question is, what happens leading
up to that? It's a good question to ask, right?
For some reason, nobody ever preaches that. They
don't want to talk about what all happens prior
to it. So if I can, can I just read if we have
time? That's why I love the thought of this interview.
Oh, I do too. But just to be clear, what you're
saying is the Schofield Bible, its theology is
deceptive. I'm saying that the same way the media
takes a factual situation and twists it and gives
you a version of it, which we all know we're
force -fed every single day, The same exact tactic
was used in 1830 by John Darby and guess who
he was connected to by the way the Rothschilds
And there it is. We've got the perfect Jew combination
But this is important because that is not true.
John Darby wrote and quote -unquote created dispensationalism
and Schofield was actually Funded by two US businessmen
who I think did have, they liked a more harder
stance in the church at the time. They felt that
the American church was weak and they saw liberalism
particularly towards labor creeping in. And one
was from Unicall, Union Oil. He didn't want unions,
etc. He wanted a much more harder stance for
workers. And the other guy, Piri, he had a chain
of department stores, had similar issues. They
actually funded him for several years. And then
it was Oxford Press that published this and made
it so big. And the insinuation here is that the
Rothschild somehow were part of the Oxford Press.
Well, Oxford had been around for 200 years before
all of that. So that's not true. But the way
that thing gets transmogrified through influencers
with large followings. I see Ian Carroll, I'm
sure you've seen Ian Carroll, kind of has the
hoodie on and when you hear him, now listen to
how the story morphs into his version of the
Schofield Bible. Do you guys know about the Schofield
Bible? Oh boy, here's a rabbit hole for you.
Here's a rabbit hole for all of us that I have
not gone all the way down yet, I've only started.
Okay. But in the early 1900s, 1913ish. Thank
you. Okay, so he's already started, but I haven't
gone down the rabbit. In other words, I've not
studied, I've not researched. I'm just going
to give you something I heard about, because
that's exactly where we're going with this. And
this is the problem with the influencer culture
right now. It's like when you use AI to write
programs, once it starts down a bad track, you
can't reel it back in. You have to literally
start over. You can't correct it along the way.
It's also the game of telephone. that we used
to play as kids. But this guy has a huge following,
and he's been all over Israel, and Israel bad,
and Israel killed JFK, and Israel killed Charlie,
and people are lapping it up. And his evidence
for this is the Schofield Bible dispensationalism,
etc. And listen to how his version of, I haven't
gone down the rabbit hole yet, sounds. You guys
know about the Schofield Bible? Mm -hmm. Oh boy.
Here's a rabbit hole for you. Here's a rabbit
hole for all of us that I have not gone all the
way down yet I've only started okay, but um in
the early 1900s 1913 ish right around when the
Federal Reserve was founded and just bring the
bankers in the Federal Reserve The Balfour Declaration
happened right at that the Balfour. Yeah, so
he's got of 1917, but he's he's just lumping
it all together kind of in the same time like
you know, 9 -11 was kind of almost the same as
1999. Or a reserve was founded and the Balfour
Declaration happened right at that exact same
time. The Rothschild family hired this dude,
this pastor in the deep south to like, it's a
very complicated story, but the end result was
he made a new version of the Bible called the
Schofield Bible. Okay. So right now we've gone
from There being no connection to the Rothschilds
actually hired the guy to write a new version
of the Bible which wasn't Completely a new version
that was the King James version, but right the
first one was study notes Let's continue where
this this he's not Jewish. He's like a he's an
American Christian, but they kind of like sort
of leveraged his Complicated he wrote this new
by complicated. It's just just It's complicated.
We'll just keep talking. He wrote this new Bible.
It has all these new interpretations of the text.
So they didn't change. With Jewish influence.
Yes, literally. Literally. And that's where like
the, that's where the God's chosen people in
the greatest out. Well, not exactly, but that's
where a lot of this sort of like Israel, that's
where Judeo Christianity. kind of came from.
And the idea that Israel is this modern Israel
thing is the Israel, the Bible. It came from
that Bible. And the Schofield Bible was funded
by the Rothschild family. And then it was pushed
because they owned the publisher that publishes
all the books. I think it was Oxford Press. And
so they had the deals that they could make to
get that Bible into all the megachurches. There
were megachurches in 1917. Right. Across whole
denominations of Christianity. at the turn of
this entry, 1913 -ish, was when Christianity
got kind of...Jewified. There! Wow. Okay, now
I'm gonna land this plane for you soon. We have
to get to a few more parts, because then it's
just you and me talking through this. I mean,
this is serious business. So this, of course,
has permeated a lot of, there's a lot of new
Christians, a lot of people coming to faith,
young men particularly. a lot of them go to Catholicism,
which I believe certainly the modern Catholic
Church is against dispensationalism. People tell
me all the time, I'm so happy that you found
God. I just hope you'll join the Orthodox Church.
And Tucker Carlson is also a brand new Christian.
The influence of this talk, and he's had Candice
Owens and Ian Carroll and Nick Fuentes, which
is who I'm going to wind it up with, had them
all on his podcast. And so he has a conversation
with Ted Cruz, classic. We've probably all seen
it. And Ted Cruz is talking about Israel and
how he... always wants to support Israel. They
have a whole conversation. It's out of context.
It's not only about that because he's talking
about America first and what's good for America.
And support of Israel militarily is by its very
nature, the same as back in the early 1900s,
good for America, which has actually been the
launching pad for the Abraham Accords. And what
has really brought all of these Arab nations
together And they are at war with each other.
That's why you've had Saudi Arabia fighting the
Houthis, the different factions of Islam. So
it's been a good thing, net -net, with what President
Trump has done with it. But just listen, you
can hear Tucker How influenced he is by this
particular line of thinking about Schofield Bible.
And remember, he's heard from John Rich about
the Schofield Bible and how the Jews changed
it all. You suggested it was a strange thing
that I said a minute ago that when I came into
the Senate I resolved that I was going to be
the leading defender of Israel. And what you
didn't ask is why, so let me tell you why. No,
you said I was obsessed with Israel and... You
had just told me that your driving motive to
get to the Senate was to defend Israel. I don't
think I'm the one who's obsessed with Israel.
I don't even think about Israel. So Tucker, words
matter. And you know that. I said I resolved
to be the leading defender of Israel, and you
said your driving motive, the reason you're in
the Senate. You want to be the leading defender
of Israel. I would think if I ran for Senate,
I'd be like, there are people dying of drug use
on the street. My driving motive is to fight
for Texas and America and to fight for jobs and
to fight for the Constitution. And you played
a very, very careful word game of a lie to you.
I'm not the one who said it, not me. So you still
haven't asked why, but I'm going to tell you
why. Okay, and the reason is twofold number one
as a Christian Growing up in Sunday school. I
was taught from the Bible those who bless Israel
will be blessed and those who curse Israel will
be cursed and From my perspective. I want to
be on the blessing side of thing of the those
who bless the government of Israel See what he's
doing here. You see that see that always any
He will keep coming back to that. So the main
question which is really what I hope we're gonna
get into is What is Israel? Those who bless Israel
is what it says. It doesn't say the government
of it, it says the nation of Israel. So that's
in the Bible. As a Christian, I believe that.
Where is that? I can find it. Big mistake by
Ted Cruz, by the way. If you're going to start
citing the Bible, you better have your P's and
Q's together. That was a very, very big mistake.
Have the scripture off the tip of my... You pull
out the phone and use the Google. It's in Genesis,
but... Tucker was prepared for this. He knew
that this was coming. Yeah, but Tucker also gets
it wrong. You're quoting a Bible phrase. You
don't have context for it. You don't know where
in the Bible it is, but that's like her theology.
I'm confused. What does that even mean? Tucker.
Ouch. I'm a Christian. I want to know what you're
talking about. Where does also what Tucker just
said is like, wow, dude, like I'm a Christian.
I want to know what you're talking about. He
is pushing on what is your real theology. That's
really what he did. Tucker is not dumb. He's
very intelligent. When the Bible it is, but that's
like her theology? I'm confused. What does that
even mean? Tucker. I'm a Christian. I want to
know what you're talking about. Where does my
support for Israel come from? Number one, because
biblically we are commanded to support Israel,
but number two. Hold on. You're a senator and
now you're throwing out theology and I am a Christian.
I am allowed to weigh in on this. We are commanded
as Christians support the government of Israel
there. He does it again. He does it again Wow,
he does it again. We are commanded to support
Israel and we're told is we're told those who
bless Israel will be blessed But what hold on
define Israel, this is important. Are you kidding?
This this majority Christian tree define Israel
could do do you not know what Israel is? That
would be the country. I'm just gonna stop it
right here because this is this is the core tenant
and This goes on for a while and Tucker says
it's Genesis 16. No, it wasn't it's 12 But before
we do that I think it's important to go to the
person who has been has been in the background
for ten years as a very young Christian and came
to prominence By two ways by being President
Trump being elected Elon Musk buying X and allowing
you know, any kind of speech, even if it's hateful
or racist or misogynist or anti -Semitic, which
I'm not against. You know, the freedom of speech
is right there. So you can, I'll defend your
right to say it. But really broke through and
I think has filled this void that Charlie Kirk
left because for every, I wish I had five cents
for every parent who has emailed me and says,
What is it with this Nick Fuentes? My boys are
listening to him. They are lapping everything
up. And Fuentes is a pro. I'm talking pastor
pro. I'm talking Rush Limbaugh type pro as an
orator, as a speaker. You rarely even catch an
mm or an ah from him. And he's very young. He's
in his mid -20s, just incredibly articulate.
Helps everyone identify with the issues we discussed
earlier can't pay the rent, you know climate
change all the all the things The world is screwed.
He never offers any solutions or any you know,
any positive is just and that's a typical thing
That's what you do on that's what many Famous
speakers have done this sucks. It sucks. It sucks
people go. Yeah, it sucks. He's a guy my age
talking about it but he had the root for him
and his Antipathy towards Israel and the Jews
because he literally says the Jews are just no
good They're a problem and he highlights all
kinds of things that are very easy to pick up
and understand and it really he in this clip
explains the difference between successionism
and Dispensationalism and I was blown away by
how good he does it Christians, a lot of Christians
have this idea that... And by the way, he's doing
this on the Hodge Twins podcast, that's the two
black brothers, who by their own admission just
only kind of started to get into reading the
Bible and exploring their faith. So just imagine
how easy it is to put this into their minds.
Christians, a lot of Christians have this idea
that, you know, we all... we all read the Bible.
You know, the Jews are the Old Testament, we're
the New Testament. But the New Testament, the
relationship between the New Testament and the
Old Testament, it's not a sequel. The New Testament
and the theology in it replaces the theology
of the Old Testament. So in the Old Testament,
you have a religion that's based on the people
of Israel. They make sacrifices at the temple.
They have rabbis. They have the law. But when
Jesus arrives, He changes everything, because
He becomes the law. We say that He is the law.
The law is embodied in Him. So the Jews are saying,
well, the law of Moses says, you have to stone
this woman. And He says, well, I'm the law. He
says, let He who is without sin... cast the first
stone. He completes and fulfills and perfects
the law. He personifies the law. So, in the same
way that God gave Moses the Ten Commandments
in the Ark of the Covenant, God gave us the law
through Mary. We see Mary... as the new ark of
the covenant. We see Jesus as the new Ten Commandments.
She carried him in her womb, just like the ark
carried the Old Testament. He is the law. He
fulfills the law, just like the Old Testament
was the law. And then, when Jesus dies on the
cross, the veil is torn inside the temple. And
within a generation, the temple itself is destroyed.
You know, as I always talk about the temple,
the temple itself is destroyed because Jesus
becomes a new temple. There's no need for a temple.
There's no need for animal sacrifices. He becomes
a sacrifice. So, in the Old Testament, they're
sacrificing animals. They talk about the red
heifer. They're trying to do that. God gives
us a more perfect sacrifice, He offers up Himself.
And so this is where a lot of the Protestants
say, well, you know, we need to support Israel
because the Bible says those who bless Israel
will be blessed. But Israel... They're talking
about the family. Well, they're talking about...
that's in the book of Genesis. And the book of
Genesis is talking about what is Israel in the
Old Testament, in the first covenant that God
makes with the Jewish people. When Jesus comes,
just like everything else, Israel's transformed.
The laws changed, the priesthood has changed,
the temple has changed, and Israel changes. What
was the family in the race becomes the body of
Christ. He says there is neither Jew nor Gentile.
The new Israel is the Christians. We're the new
Israel. If you believe in Christ, you're now
the chosen people. You enter into the covenant
with God. You're grafted onto that tree. And
so that's a theological difference that we call
supersessionist. has with these dispensationalist
Christians. Yeah, because I always hear Republicans
saying they are God -chosen people. Right. That's
not necessarily true. Not anymore, no. So I've
heard my favorite pastor tell me replacement
theology, which is what this is, is a lie from
the pit of hell. It is. And let me tell you,
brother, I am seeing young pastors going away
from dispensationalism, moving towards this.
Just do a search and try to find who's talking
for or against dispensationalism. This is a big,
big topic. And I think that it's probably even
really difficult to even discuss from the pulpit
because it's so deep. It is. And so I'm just,
you've heard, this is my presentation is All
of this that we're seeing in the media against
Israel and Jews comes from this. And the Schofield
Bible is kind of used as the bridge. Wow. How
much time do we have? I think we just need to
do what we need to do. No, I want to keep it
simple because you can get into a very convoluted
conversation. Here's the thing. When we went
to Israel back in... We had a Messianic Jewish
guy who had served in the army there. He'd made
all y 'all. He was American by birth, Jewish,
and he was our tour guide. Brilliant, brilliant
individual. He reminded me that we as Christians,
followers of Jesus, have been grafted into the
vine. The vine doesn't change. I've been around.
I was actually down in Mexico doing grafting.
I know what grafting is. I know how it works.
And I was able to participate and actually do
some of that with macadamia nut trees and different
things. Actual grafting one branch onto another.
When you graft a branch onto a tree, the essence
of the tree doesn't change. It never changes.
It's just now you've got a different branch.
You've got a new branch. that produces a different
kind of fruit or nut or whatever it's doing.
And when the scripture reminds us in the book
of Romans that we've been grafted into the original
vine, it's not to do away with the original vine.
The graft doesn't take over the tree. Which you
literally heard Fuentes say, like, now we're
new, we're the new tree. And we've been grafted.
He said two different things and yet made them
the same and it's not. I could shoot holes all
through that I know you can. While he'd be rolling
pretty well, I'd go, okay, okay, okay. And then
he would say something completely opposite and
didn't even realize it was opposite. He doesn't
know. And so it's interesting because when you
begin to read in Romans chapter 9, 10, 11, you
begin to see God's heart for Israel from the
New Testament perspective and through Paul, the
apostle Paul. Paul was a Jew. Paul loved the
Jewish people. And initially, he wanted to go
to the Jewish people, and God said, no, you're
going to go to the Gentiles. So he sends them
out to Asia, sends them out all over the known
world at the time, sends them to Rome, sends
them across the sea. And he's now leading people.
He's on Mars Hill talking with philosophers about
the unknown God. And he's saying, this is who
the unknown God is. Paul, who's a great Jew,
still says this. He's talking about Israel's
unbelief in Romans chapter 9, the very end of
it. He says, what should we say then? That Gentiles
did not pursue righteousness, have attained it.
That is a righteousness that is by faith. But
that Israel who pursued a law that would lead
to righteousness did not succeed in reaching
the law. Why? because they did not pursue it
by faith. So he's saying, this is what happened.
This is where the miss happened. The law wasn't
the problem. It was the way they pursued the
law. They didn't do it by faith. They did it
by gritted teeth, obedience, legalism. He says
this. Why? Because they did not pursue it by
faith, but as if it were based on works. They
have stumbled over the stumbling stone as it
is written. Behold, I'm laying in Zion a stone
of stumbling and a rock of offense. We know that's
Jesus. And whoever believes in him will not be
put to shame. Now, opens up to chapter 10 and
listen to what Paul says. Brothers, my heart's
desire and prayer to God for them, for who? The
Jewish people. Israel. Is that they may be saved.
For I bear them witness that they have a zeal
for God, but not according to knowledge. for
being ignorant of the righteousness of God and
seeking to establish their own, they did not
submit to God's righteousness. I'll end with
this, for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness
to everyone who believes. So Paul makes it clear,
I am praying that they will come to Christ, that
they will believe by faith that their righteousness
will not be earned by works under the law, which
it couldn't be. but will be granted to them by
faith through grace." So he's showing you how
the old and the new work together. Now, there's
another amazing scripture where Jesus himself
says something fascinating. Let me go to it because
this matters. Jesus said this in Matthew 5 verse
17 in the context of the Sermon on the Mount,
which is considered one of his greatest teachings.
He says, do not think that I have come to abolish
the law or prophets. I have not come to abolish
them, but to fulfill them. And that's exactly
what Jesus did. He was able to fulfill the law
and yet still hand grace to people who have no
hope for fulfilling the law. He was able to do
that because he was not only the son of man,
he was the son of God at the same time. Can we
break this down? to help people understand what
Israel is in Genesis 12 and today. That's a huge
question. This is why everybody is all over the
map with that. That's the crux, man. That's a
big part of it. Here's a short answer. The Bible
calls believers to love God's purpose, honors,
covenant, faithfulness, pray for peace and stand
against anti -Semitism. I mean, it's clear throughout,
both old and new. Paul, if you read through 9,
10, 11, 12 in Romans, you'll see God's heart
is still for Israel. It does not give Christians
a blanket command to endorse every policy or
action of the modern nation state of Israel.
Which would be crazy because if you look at leaders
of Israel throughout the ages, we had some pretty
bad kings who were doing some pretty wicked and
dumb stuff. And it's exactly what you hear conservatives
talking about, American exceptionalism. We're
exceptional because America was founded by God
and is in the heart of God, the apple of God's
eye, along with Israel. But what happens is...
But you won't hear a single one of those conservatives
that use that statement or phrase to say we are
under American, you know, godly, righteous exceptionalism.
They will not say everything our government does
is right. They're the very ones beating the drum
saying we got to get this thing fixed. So it
doesn't even make sense in terms of just pure
logic. Much less biblical faith, but pure logic
to say... Oh, every, yeah, we have to support
Israel blindly in terms of their government.
Well, so I'm sorry to interrupt you. No, no,
it's important. I need this. So the term bless,
you heard Ted Cruz conflating bless with sending
a money. Right. And I don't think that's a proper
interpretation of the term bless. And that's
what people tend to default to. Which, by the
way, tithings is often seen as, thank you for
blessing, blessing our church, blessing these
people. Bless is very broad. Yeah, it is. It's
the heart of God toward and His benevolence toward
those He loves. That's blessing, the blessing
of God. It's very broad. But he's just picking
one out of many opportunities and options to
bless. One of the things that we do, and I as
a pastor believe this wholeheartedly, Genesis
12, where it talks about the covenant, the Abrahamic
covenant. And it is where God says that in you
and through you, all the peoples in the earth
will be blessed. But he actually talks about
blessing Israel. Those who bless Israel will
be blessed. I do believe that it's not just money,
but I believe that resources is important. And
so we as a church support Amir Safardi, who is
a Jewish messianic Jew who is one of the most
knowledgeable in terms of crossover. He helps
people like me understand what's happening prophetically
from both the Old and New Testament in Israel.
So we support him and resource him. because we
want what he's doing because his heart is to
reach the Jewish people. Which is ultimately
what we want. And that's the bottom line. But
it's interesting, I think Ted Cruz makes a huge
mistake here by Well -meaning, well -intended.
But simplifying and not really going all the
way down and just saying, well, I'm supposed
to bless Israel. And he's hiding himself under
some theology without really being able to explain.
And he's also lying because, you know, is blessing
Israel sending them guns? Well, that can be debated.
That can be debated how much of a blessing that
is. But just to put it, oh, well, I was taught
So I think he doesn't he doesn't help anybody
with a track that that got him stuck Yes, he
sort of fell into that trap. Yeah, I don't know
that I don't know that That Tucker was trying
to set him up. It just feels like more that he
fell into that It's like he stepped into something
and he didn't know how to get out of it. I watched
the whole thing. Tucker is very smart. He led
him right into it. He led him right into it.
And you can see that Tucker has also been influenced
by people. That's what scares me about a lot
of these young people that are becoming followers
of Jesus, but they're soaking up people that
are not there to disciple them in Christ and
disciple them in the Word of God. They're discipling
them in cultural interpretations of what's going
on. That's not discipleship. But it's happening
everywhere, brother. Young pastors, I see young
pastors saying, I'm not even going to name names.
It was like, I really was a dispensationalist
and I was wrong. And I've taught on this and
I was wrong. And this is a guy who's probably
35, maybe 40 years old. And this is everywhere
right now. And I believe it's out of weakness.
And it's audience capture. It's audience capture
in the church. But our own people question, when
I say our own people, our people here in our
own church question, why are we praying for Israel?
Even though I talk about it almost every time
we do it. But that's exactly it. We're just Christian
Zionists? Because this is what culture is telling
us. Oh, you're Christian Zionists. Well, I don't
like the term Zionists. So we're getting a label
slapped on us because culture is telling them,
not the church, not theology, but some person
who has a microphone and a computer and a podcast
channel. But it's powerful mojo, my brother.
But it's deceptive. But the tragedy for me is
a lot of these people that are going down these
tracks. don't even realize they're participating
in deception. Because when you're deceived, the
nature of deception is you don't know. But they're
being told that they have been deceived. And
here's this so -called evidence that, you know,
I can recite it. For 1800 years, this was not
how Scripture was interpreted until Thomas Hardy,
Am I saying that right? Darby? Darby. Yeah, sorry.
John Darby. I'm all over the place. Thomas Dolby.
He's the one that did it with science. With science.
John Darby. Blinded. And, you know, so it's very
easy to accept, oh, well, that was the Psi -op
right there, and the Jews did it by codifying
it in the Schofield Bible. That's powerful stuff.
So mind -bending. And it is so tragic because
good people who are well -meaning get caught
in this trap. And they don't go to their pastor.
They don't go to a theologian. They don't go
to a professor and say, help me understand the
bigger picture. They go to each other. The blind
leading the blind. And that's what we have, the
telegraph game. And you saw Fuentes just go right
down that track. But you see how good he is at
it. Oh, he's great at it. I've always been thinking,
who does he work for? He's not working for an
intel agency. He's being worked. I think he's
being worked by the enemy. by the enemy. Let's
get back to where it matters. We are commanded
in Scripture, not just in Psalm 122, in terms
of supporting Israel. Even the word support,
I feel like I have to qualify it. Let's pray
for the peace of Jerusalem in 122 -6. Pray for
the peace, which the word peace is the word shalom,
that's in the Old Testament. In the Greek and
the New Testament, it's the word arene, and they
mean the same thing, and it means complete. whole,
total, nothing broken, nothing missing. And that's
what it means. So that's what we're to pray for
them. So my thought is this, if God's calling
us to pray for Israel, and Israel's offline,
let's say they're missing it. And we see historically
throughout Scripture, they went through these
cyclical, you know, these cycles of where, you
know, they were doing great as a nation, they
were following God, they had a good king, and
and they got comfortable and then debauchery
and all these things, sin came in and entered
in, false prophets. Broken. Then they could start
back down the bottom part of the cycle. And it
happened over and over and over. And of course,
it's like... Can I ask you something about that?
Yeah, go ahead. Do you think that Israel, which
is pretty much a secular state, they're in a
bad cycle? Yes, I do. That's important. But that
doesn't mean we stop praying for them more than
ever. They need more prayer. This is what's interesting
to me. I remember we prayed for St. Mary's Catholic
Church here in town. It's a great church. They
have a wonderful shepherd there. Back when we
were praying for them by name, I got a couple
of letters of people upset that we were praying
for the Catholic Church because they're not even
Christians according to these letters. And I'm
like, who made you judge and jury on this deal,
right? And so what I did, I got up the next time
and I said, you know, if someone has a problem
with a Catholic church or a different kind of
church, isn't that all the more reason for us
to pray for them? I see Israel the same way.
If we think they're in a bad cycle right now,
and historically they've had these cycles, all
the more reason to pray for them, all the more
reason to bless them. This goes out to Candice
and Nick and anybody else, Tucker, the Bible
says we're also supposed to bless our enemies
and to pray for those who curse you. So either
way, you're captured in this command to bless
and to pray for. And so to me, it's very simple.
I'm watching all this, I call it theological
acrobatics. where you're just trying to create
these cases for something. And it's so convoluted
and complex that when it gets to the next influencer,
they can't even repeat it correctly because it's
too complex. And when things move towards complexity,
I get concerned because you can do a lot more
interpretation with complexity than you can with
simplicity. So I try to keep it simple saint
instead of keep it simple stupid, kiss. And the
simplicity for me is, I'm going to do what God
told me to do. And I can get caught up in all
the conversations and convolution and all the
theology of it, but at the end of the day, we're
commanded to pray for them. And this is kind
of the point where it comes down to me because
you and I are very honest with each other. It's
the basis of our friendship. Man, I've heard,
I've listened to 20 hours, not just long, but
short, and I've heard all the arguments, and
most of it is against dispensationalism. And
dispensationalism, there's a lot more to it about
the millennium, about the pre -tribulation rapture.
I don't think that's for today's podcast, although,
man, I do want to get into it. We can talk more
about it for sure. But the beauty is, thank you
for saying that, the complexity is what overshadows
the very simple word. I'm not a bad guy if I
bless Israel, if I pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Now, culture says, you're a Zionist, you're part
of the problem, this is why the Jews are killing
us, you know, so... I can't help that. I can
only pray for people who say that. That's what
I like so much about you. I don't want to tell
you what you are, but my impression is that you
always just go back to the Word. Do you hear
that cracking? The theology is not quite as important
as just the Word of God, what we are commanded
to do. simpler, and I think everything that's
been created in this whole conversation is really
only for political gain. I think the Holy Spirit's
telling us when to stop. Political gain, but
also for likes, comments, subscribers. That's
all political gain in my mind. They love this
stuff. This gives them a hot button, and that's
what they need. That's how they gain more followers,
and they get caught up in it. I think the tragedy
what I'm seeing and what's happening in influencer
podcasting is that they get so caught up into
it, their entire worldview gets informed by this.
To where now when they see a Jewish person, you
know, Orthodox Jewish person, they have disdain
for them. They're falling into these traps. And
what's even worse is we have pastors who are
trying to go against them and getting jumping
into that fray. I'm sure you can give me three
pieces of scripture that tell us not to do that.
You're going to lose that every single time.
You cannot win that. Just read Proverbs. Don't
talk with a fool. Or you become a fool. You become
a fool. It's pretty simple. To kind of wind this
down, I just wanted to play one clip from Jack
Hibbs who is much more on I don't want to even
say side of the fence. Our thinking is probably
more aligned with his, and he says something
really important, which I like to share. This
is one of the signs of the end times, an increasing
anti -Semitic, anti -Israel view. How do we know
this? Because the Bible tells us, both in Ezekiel
and in Zechariah, that in the last days, the
world will turn against Israel. So number one,
no Christian should be ruffled by the comments
of particular podcasters who are now fomenting
this anti -Semitic view. That should be expected
if you know your Bible. It shouldn't trouble
you. I love that. But it doesn't mean you should
be silent either. You should speak up and expose.
Paul the Apostle told us that we need to expose
people even by name, and Paul did that. When
you hear people saying what they're saying, I
immediately go to Timothy, first and second Timothy,
where in the last days, there will be those propagating
doctrines of demons and teachings that are spawned
on by deceiving spirits. That's what's happening.
And listen to this, does not the Bible say, Trey,
that Jesus Christ is returning to Israel in the
second coming? Doesn't it say that he's going
to return to Jerusalem? Doesn't it say that he's
going to be enthroned on Mount Zion? That's what
the Bible says about future prophecy regarding
Jesus. But if Satan knows this, then wouldn't
it be advantageous to Satan in his twisted thinking
to get an anti -Semitic flow to try to abolish
the viability of the nation of Israel to say
that Israel's illegitimate, that it doesn't exist,
that God didn't know what He was talking about
when He said that in the last days before I return,
I'm going to draw Israel back from all the four
corners of the earth, and I'm going to bring
them back into their own land while they are
in unbelief. I'm going to cause them to prosper
in unbelief and they won't believe in me until
the Ezekiel 38 battle. That's where he says the
veil is going to be lifted from their eyes and
then they will know that I am the Lord. So, wow,
I see this stuff happening and I hear the rhetoric
and I hear the anti -Semitism and it just means
for me that I'm standing for Israel. So, I like
how he did that because he's not going against
one particular voice. He's just saying, hey,
read your Bible. Like, okay. Now, End Times,
you know, again, these are other podcasts you
and I will do. Eschatology. There's so much there.
But I really like your message, brother man.
The enemy is really wrecking us now. I'm not
hearing it as much as you are. It needs a reboot.
It's time to wind it down. Can I finish? You
have to, please. This is so simple, and it goes
right back to what I just read from the Apostle
Paul, Romans chapter 10, verse 1. Brothers, my
heart's desire and prayer to God for them, Israel,
the Jewish people, is that they may be saved.
That's it. Let's keep it simple. Why do we have
to get so caught up? Well, because we're going
for subscribers and likes and clicks. And political
points, political gain. Everyone has a political
handler one way or the other, brother. They all
have them. Maslow is hierarchy of needs. Every
human being has a need and desire to belong.
And we choose our groups. So if you choose to
go down the podcaster path and you swim in those
waters long enough, you start to think, oh, this
is how you do it. And I want to be, I want to
be accepted by them. I want to be, I want to
be known as an influencer. And then you start
playing those games and you learn the game of
pod influencer podcasting. And the tragedy of
it is that you get caught up in that wave and
you get caught up in more likes. Now you've.
You're pulling in all these guests. I'm to a
point where when someone invites me to be on
their podcast, I'm starting to say no. Because
I'm like, I'm going to get pulled in a weird
conversation. And if I don't know you and have
a relationship with you, I'm probably not going
to do that. I'm pushing back. I'll just put it
that way. And when I say push me, I'm not pushing
somebody. I'm pushing myself back. I'm pushing
away from the table. make it a yes or a no. Exactly.
And make sure you are led by the Holy Spirit
in your decision and make it that and don't waft
about and just yes or no quickly. You know, I'm
going to read the scripture on Sunday when I
pray for Israel, the one about, brothers, my
heart's desire and prayer. I'm going to add that
into the Psalm 122 to say, here's the Old Testament
version. Here's the New Testament version. This
is Paul's heart. for the Jewish people. That's
a good idea. That way we've got old and new,
we tie them together. That's easy enough. And
from my perspective, this conversation is just
a political influence conversation. I love reading
my Bible and not knowing what's going to happen.
There you go. And not for show material. No,
but being excited about what God is going to
do. I can see all the things that are written.
I'm excited how it's going to happen, whether
it happens like this or like that. I believe
in Him. I believe in Jesus. I'm excited about
the journey, not about the specifics. I'm right,
you're wrong. Please, please, how many people
have gone down for saying that? What if we said,
I think this is what it says, but it could be
wrong. Man, that wouldn't get you. Even that
would help a lot. But it wouldn't get you more
subscribers. Nope. It's not sensational enough.
It's just honest. Put down your screens, people.
Pick up your Bibles. There's a lot more fun.
There's a lot more mystery and excitement. instead
of thinking, you know, at all and what's going
to happen. All right, brother. Thank you so much.
Of course. This was a tough one for me to bring
in because it's confusing. Hey, you brought it
in at the end of twenty five and twenty six.
We're just going to we're just going to go down
and we're going to we're going to light some
candles, man. We're going to shine a light. I
love it. And we'll be shining a light with you
in twenty twenty six next week. We get to do
this. Happy New Year. This is the life we've
been blessed