Let's pray. Father, what a blessing to be before
you today. We truly get to do this. It's our
honor, our joy to do so. Father, we don't see
this as an imposition or something we have to
do every week. It's something we get to do and
we look forward to. Thank you for those who are
listening and joining us and participating. Lord,
would you bless them today? Would you give them
something they needed to hear? And father, for
both Adam and myself, give us something we need
to hear today. We're listening and we're dialing
in and tuning into your channel because we want
to hear from you today. So father, whatever we
do to help somebody else, Lord, it's for your
honor and your glory in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
It's Wednesday, December 3rd, 2025. We get to
do this. This is episode number 13. we get to
do this hey brother how you doing that sticks
in your brain i know i know i'm doing great actually
thanks for asking uh i love our we text mornings
always sometimes during the day sometimes end
of the day hey how was your day um recently we
have been on such an incredible journey together
and here's how the morning goes Yeah, my hearing
aids are great. How about yours? How about that
knee of yours? Oh, my back's doing fine. We are
on a hearing aid journey, which is amazing. Old
man talk. Old man talk. But I'm happy. It's a
big market, man. There's a lot of people who
have no idea. And I wonder if it's earbuds and
stuff that might have, not us, but younger people.
Younger people have a real hard time paying attention,
listening to stuff. That's right. Captions are
everywhere. That's true. You know, and then you
get these hearing aids and just like, wow, first
of all, Tina, hi, didn't know you were here.
This is great. I hear you breathing from clear
across the room. There's things that are shocking
too. Like we had the kids over and... uh, the
day mine came in. So I put them on new, but I've
gotten super hot, right? Cause it takes a while
to figure out the right levels and we're in there
clanging pots and pans and cooking Thanksgiving
dinner. And I'm like, ah, ah, I mean, it's like
the world has came alive too much at one point
or I walk out in the backyard. I hear we got
a little waterfall back there and it's like roaring.
I'm like, Man, I need to adjust these a little
bit. That's what the outside setting is for.
That's the tricky part is just getting the settings,
but I feel like I've got it really dialed in
right now to where it feels very natural and
it's not painful. There for a couple of days
though, it was pretty bad, but I just had to
figure it out. And there's, man, there's so much
to these things like open dome, closed dome,
tulip. I mean all these different ear tip pieces.
What are you rocking right now? What dome are
you rocking? Closed dome, man. I just put in
the bigger closed dome in my right ear because
I have a bigger hole on that side for some reason.
What is that? Mine's the opposite. My left is
big. What's up with that? I actually ordered
one of those transmitters. I want to see if I
can just use them as my headphones do in the
podcast. I'll tell you when I decided this. Sunday,
During worship, I put it on the music setting.
Wow, I have never heard our worship team like
that ever before. I mean, I've heard them with
headphones on, you know, at home, you know, focusing
and listening for critique, of course, positive
critique. But just in the room, it was... completely
new and it swept me up more than it already does.
It was fantastic. Because you're hearing like
you're supposed to be hearing, like you were
designed to hear. There were problems with the
drums, the drum miking in general several months
ago, but I never heard them like this. Wow. And
Wendy's Tambourine. The Tambo. The Tambo. You
hear it clear. Yes. What you're getting is all
that upper register. Exactly. That's what is
the first to go with any of our hearing. Even
just aging, you know, besides the damage we've
done, you being in a billion concerts and wearing
cans your whole life and broadcasting. I'm pretty
sure it was the Metallica concert. Oh, no surprise
there. The Metallica concert. I remember it hurt.
Wow. Yeah. And I was next to the sound stack
and everything. So I'm pretty sure that didn't
help. I played guitar all my life, electric guitar,
lead in bands all my life. And so typically I
would have my amp or the monitor amp pointed
right at you. Usually right here. And that's
the one that failed or drums, you know, being
right there. Live stage, you know, stage sound
before we went to a quiet stage. I mean, you're
talking 110 decibels. Oh yeah. Or 113 with what
they call them. The not the try the wedges, wedges.
Yeah. The wedge monitors, you know, so you could
quote here everybody, but it's blowing into shooting
guns growing up. I mean, we didn't care. Getting
hit and football by by the way, so I repeat so
we do the The the the services live Sundays on
hello Fred in the godcaster app go get the app
everybody cool You won't regret it and I repeat
it. So we have special programming Sunday night
seven to nine is band kind Yeah, sure. I like
her. Yeah, she's from Nashville and she has all
the Christian music artists on It's a really
good show. And then right after that, I'll repeat
the service. Oh, that's cool. I was going to
bed at 10 o 'clock, past 10 o 'clock, and there
were like seven people listening. I'm like, if
you're listening after 10 in the evening to the
service, that gave me a lot of joy, brother.
It really did. And of course, you can always
get the repeat. It's always available. I listened.
Your guitar? was spot on, brother. Spot on. Thanks,
bro. It's like the record. You play it just like
it was recorded. I mean, with a little Pastor
Jimmy flair here and there. What was that, Pastor
Jimmy? I love playing guitar. Every time I open
my case, I feel like that kid back in Lubbock,
Texas, in his bedroom opening that case. I get
it. Of course, that case smelled like cigarette
smoke because I bought an old Les Paul that had
been around the block. It had the smell, right?
But you know, it's very nostalgic for me. It
takes me back to really good times as a young
person. Well, I can see you're enjoying it. I
can just watch it. And by the way, because I
also listened to this on the repeat, Holly singing
Amazing Grace, she's spot on, man. Whoa. And
that's a tough song to do. She's good. Yeah,
that's a tough song to do. We were just talking
about her. Annette and I both were saying how
she's always been good, but she was kind of shy
when she first... Everybody's a little... when
they first get on the team, but she's just come
alive. And man, she's like the real deal. She,
by the way, listens to our podcast. I know. Hey,
Holly, we love you. Thanks for the flag, Holly.
And she's always encouraging. I love that too.
She's always encouraging words. It's fantastic.
I wasn't bragging about her because of that.
No, it's true. So you did the second in a series
on Sunday. Delay is not denial. Did I have it
correct? Is that the title? Wow, make me think.
I'm second guessing myself. I think it is. Well,
I can probably look it up. Delay or destiny is
the question. So delay or destiny. Yes, that
was the second one. One of the points from the
first one was what you just said. So this was
so helpful to me. I've been involved in a project.
And it's a total, you know, kingdom project.
And we felt a little stalled the past couple
of weeks. And, you know, it's also become vacation
time and just, you know, people are doing different
things. But, you know, you just feel like we
had momentum, we stalled and what's going on.
And you had a line which I think I have it right,
because I don't like to whip out my phone during
service. But I think it was your posture in the
delay determines your destiny in the harvest.
Am I saying that right? You nailed that verbatim.
Well, it meant a lot to me because I was like,
wow, I've got to adjust my posture here. And
unbelievably today, The door just opened. It
just opened and the gates open. You're glowing.
You got the high pro glow going on. It's my new
skin regimen. Thank you for noticing. Hey Charles,
thinking of you. But I love that. Listen to that
statement again because it's so important. Your
posture in the delay determines your harvest
in the destiny. It's not just that we wait. It's
how we wait matters. The posture we take, the
attitude that we have, the mentality in the waiting,
if we're just constantly mad at God because He
didn't do what we asked or we're stuck in the
in -between or the not now, that diminishes the
blessing. It just diminishes the impact of the
blessing when it finally comes or when the answer
comes. It's just amazing. And this, you know,
obviously this was like put right in front of
me right at the right moment. But I've noticed
other times, and I just have to remind myself,
I'm not in control of this. And, you know, God
had to move certain people and pieces and things
into place. I just trusted Him, and it happened.
And whenever that happens, it's just like so
mind -blowing. So thank you for... I'm going
to do a part three, and you're going to do part
three on Sunday? So this Sunday, Pastor Brown
will be in the pulpit. And the week after that,
I'm going to talk about the prodigal son, the
prodigal story. It's so important because we're
doing a night of worship that night, and we're
praying and asking God to send the prodigals
home. We're calling them in, so to speak. So
I'm titling it, Home for Christmas. Totally ripped
that off from Hallmark. Home for… I may be going
to have faith through a cheesy Hallmark graphic,
but that's the idea is we want to call the prodigal's
home. So, I want to talk about the prodigal son's
story. One of my favorite stories in the Bible
because we've all been the prodigal. We've all
been one of those characters. This is important.
I hope people will go back and listen to these
because I did these a little different than my
typical sermon. I actually had points and had
very clear, defined statements. And the reason
I did that is because I wanted people to be able
to go back to the proverb. That's what Russ said.
He said, these are like proverbs. And I said,
that's the point. Do you have show notes on this?
I got the whole thing right here. I mean, is
that published somewhere where people can find
it? You know, Faith posts those online. Oh, she
does? Okay. On our website. Because I went looking
for him, couldn't find him right off the bat,
because I immediately went, I want to find which
Proverbs he listed. I'll have to look again.
Yeah, I can definitely. And it's funny that I
call them show notes, but they are. I love it.
It's show notes, man. That means something to
me, really. Show notes. I know where that's coming
from. Yeah, it was absolutely dynamite. I'm glad
you're encouraged and that it spoke to where
you are in your current situation. I just sent
them to you. I texted them to you. Thank you.
You got them. You've got to make sure that these
are on the website or whatever. They are. So
I just missed them? Yeah. Okay. You have to go
to the archive. you know, the archive thing,
and there will be a sixth section that says notes.
You just have to look for it. It's there. It's
called notes. Okay. I could have found that.
And I don't know if Faith got them up yet from
Sunday, but she may have. Well, it's Wednesday.
She may have. Anyway, thanks for bringing that
up. It is important. And I feel like this has
really landed with people because we all get
stuck in the in -between. You know, maybe it's
not a no in your prayer, but it is a not now.
We get stuck in that world, that limbo land.
We think, well, maybe I'm not praying right.
Maybe I'm not asking according to God's will.
Maybe, you know what I mean, I don't have enough
faith. We're also in a world where we want everything
immediately. I click the button, I want it to
play. I hit this, I want an immediate reaction.
The social media hasn't trained us for that,
has it? No, not at all. It's the dopamine dump.
Got some clips for that later on. I thought you
might. I thought you might. I was trying to give
you a segue. But I love the prodigal stuff. Because
we have three daughters. None of them have come
fully to Christ or even maybe they're halfway.
They're asking for prayer. They will slip something
in like, God's got a plan for me. This is very
encouraging. We're just not giving up. We just
keep praying for them morning, dinner, before
bed. And it's probably people may not realize,
but God is really the opposite of today's world,
obviously, of today's world, of the immediate
24 -7 economy, I want it, send it to me now,
Amazon, where's my package. You wait more than
anything, all the time. It's always waiting.
And I guess that's where the belief and the faith
comes in. It is, and so many things that God...
One of the metaphors God uses the most is birthing.
There's a seed zone, there's a gestation period,
and it's just waiting. And it's not always pleasant
waiting. Not always. There's morning sickness.
There's all that. There's Braxton Hicks. Yeah.
And then if you've got 15 things you're praying
for, you've got 15 pregnancies to go through.
So think about it can feel like an eternity sometimes.
There's a statement I want to share that this
might help somebody if I can... Here it is, God
off, well, let me just say it this way, expect
a suddenly. So a delay prepares you for defined
acceleration. So here's the, but the easiest
way to say it is God may take years to prepare,
but minutes to perform. Cause when the suddenly
comes, boom, even, even though today was like
a, you know, a micro example, you're believing
for example for me, moving rocks, you know, moving
big rocks. And then all of a sudden today, Suddenly.
Yes. You suddenly came. But God, but suddenly.
Suddenly. And God, but God. Love that. So the
thing about delay I think that's really important
is that it deepens your dependency on God. Because
when we realize we can't manufacture something,
we have to wait on Him. We have to trust Him.
And all God wants from us at the end of the day
is a relationship. We complicate this thing ridiculously.
But all he wants is a relay. He just wants you
to relate to him. Talk to him, that praying while
you're going, you know, practicing his presence,
that just praying through the day, just bringing
him into everything. Just make him a part of
your monologue, your inner dialogue, monologue,
whichever it is. If you have multiple personality
disorder, it can be 15. I mean, going on in there.
But anyway, I digress. Dissociative disorder,
excuse me. That's the more politically correct
way to say that. But he just wants us to be more
dependent. Delays, detox, self -reliance. Whoa.
Delays, detox, self -reliance. Is that another
Jimmyism that we just threw out there? Is that
a new one? It is now because I made it up. It's
yours, brother. It's yours. It came on the fly.
So anyway, it's just important that we be okay
with waiting. You know, a lot of the guys that
are studying dopamine and, you know, dopamine
hints and dumps and social media are saying things
that we have lost our ability to be bored. We
just cannot, it's like, Can't even fathom. No,
we can't have that. And I realized that I start
reaching for a phone, my phone, when I'm bored.
Yeah. Like I'm standing in a line waiting, for
example, at the store. Yeah. Oh yeah, no, I stopped
doing that. I could read the National Enquirer.
It's right there. I stopped doing that a long
time. Or I could actually have a conversation
with a human being. Yeah. Which I love to do.
So now I feel like the guy, those people on that
commercial that, you know, you're looking like
your dad, your parents. I feel like that commercial
runs through my mind. I go, I just did that.
Yeah. Well, it's a total boomer move. Like, hey,
how you doing? You having a nice day today? How
about this weather? Well, the only place, of
course, where you guaranteed cannot have your
phone is in the shower, which is where I find
that I do my best thinking. That's true. It's
amazing. I used to have a podcast going or something.
Now I'm just like quiet. Keep it quiet. And thank
you for early on in my faith journey for telling
me, pray often. Keep praying. God doesn't care
if it's short. And I have been doing this for
a couple of years now. It's just, yeah. couple
seconds right there especially west right great
don't stop praying that's right great song i
know that resonated with you last year yeah when
we were at the was it last year the year before
was that the first i think was the first year
how many times have you been we've been twice
Right. It was the first time. Yeah, the first
time. When I say last year, I meant the year
before. Previous year. Yeah. Yeah. That was a
big theme. Yeah. Matthew always has a theme.
He's a big theme guy. Don't stop praying. Don't
stop knocking on heaven's door. Let your knees
wear out the floor. Don't stop believing. Great
song. Mountains move. With a little faith. Yeah,
man. So good. Yeah. It's so biblical. That's
what I love about that song. But, too, it's got
a great hook, so it stays in the head. No kidding.
So as I've been contemplating this let's pray
thing for the year, that song's just reverberating
in my brain. It's an earworm. It is, in a good
way. I promised on the last episode I would bring
some details on the Christians being killed in
Nigeria. This is going to be interesting to hear
your take on this. Well, it wasn't hard to find
some data. I actually got some really good data,
which is just important for people to understand
how these things are done and maybe why they're
done. We think of Nigeria maybe as some dusty
place with a lot of people, but there's international
cities there. They have a national television
network, which you can find on YouTube. It's
kind of like Voice of America or RT, so take
it for what it's worth. if it's propaganda or
not. But I thought this was very reasonable.
Here's the intro to this piece. As you know,
concern and worry about the US threat against
Nigeria have continued to grow. So, in that vein,
West Africa's top security risk management consulting
firm, Beacon Security and Intelligence Limited,
has released comprehensive statistics on the
killings in Nigeria and their disaggregation
according to location and religious affiliation.
It's an attempt to explain the real situation
in this country as the uncertainty looks to be
ever more prominent and stark vis -a -vis what
the Tinebu administration has described as the
selective narrative that led to President Trump's
redesignation of Nigeria as a country of particular
concern and the looming threat of military action
against Nigeria. So it's always interesting to
hear people who live there, how they perceive
this almost for us an offhanded comment by the
president like, oh, we got to make this a country
of interest because there were so many new stories.
Right. Christians are being killed. Christians
are being targeted. Absolutely true. But when
you get into the data, and this guy, and when
I hear, you know, international consultancy,
I'm like, sounds kind of spooky. But his bona
fides or his bona fides are pretty legit. They
even are ISO certified. Here he is about that.
Thank you, Charles. So at the height of this
controversy between Nigeria and the United States,
we kind of noticed there was an absence of data.
Yeah, there was data. flying around, but most
of it was coming from the United States. And
then there was a lot of pushback from Nigeria.
I mean, the Nigerian government concluded that
that data was either faulty data or misinterpreted.
And so what we did is to go into our database
and attempt to come up with a disaggregation,
as it were, of attacks according to locations,
the 36 states of the country, plus the federal
capital territory. We also disaggregated those
attacks on the basis of the two dominant religious
affiliations in Nigeria, Christianity and Islam.
But I must say this before I go into the data
itself, there are probably more Christians in
the organization that I founded and run. And
then, of course, women and Muslims, men, that
balance has been. We also are ISO certified,
and so the principles of professionalism. So.
And I checked it out for what I can tell seems
legit. So they really do have a lot of this data.
So let's listen to the actual data, the numbers.
Now we looked at specific attack on churches
and specific attacks on mosques within a period
of five years. And what it came to for the churches
over this period of five years, a total of 131
and 21 incidents. Now those attacks resulted
in 399 abductions and then 110 killings. These
are specific attack on churches. But then on
the right hand side is the attack on mosques.
Over this period, we counted 75 incidents targeting
mosques, so lower than the attacks targeting
churches. And then this 75 incidents resulted
in 263 abductions and 142 killings. So in the
case of the attacks on mosques, the incidents
were lower, but then the killings were much higher.
Okay, so it turns out that it's actually more
Muslims being killed And we have to take into
account that abduction is a business model in
Nigeria This is a business model you look for
someone who has access to money or family with
money or Perhaps missions with money and you
go and you take someone and say okay. We need
money. Yeah It's location -based as I think you
and I discussed. It actually turns out it's not
oil. It's water and pastures. So some of these
Christians who were further up north have moved
further down south because of the lack of water.
and pasture for their farms. And so here's a
little bit about the location. That's interesting,
isn't it? They're in a predominantly Muslim area.
No problem. But you've got 80 gangs in Nigeria.
So they're actually functioning quite well amongst
each other, both religions. Does that reinforce
the suggestion of some kind of targeted killing?
Let me not use the word genocide of people because
of their faith. Now there, we counted about one,
about 80 different threat actors and vectors
in Nigeria. Each of this 80 has specific purpose
or reasons for their attack. The terrorist groups,
such as the Jama 'at, Alis and Al -Ildawatu.
Known to the rest of us as Boko Haram. There
were three of them that formed that group called
Boko Haram. Now, sometimes they target on the
basis of faith. They can target an attack because
the person is a Christian. But that does not
mean they were not also targeting Muslims. as
long as they believe that those Muslims do not
share the same idea with them. So there were
instances in the same northeast where they also
targeted mosques and killed Muslims praying in
the mosque. The point I'm trying to make is there
were always reasons behind the attack and not
necessarily religious reasons. I thought it was
kind of interesting, like they'll target Muslims
because they don't believe exactly the same way
that they do. So if these headlines had read
300 Nigerians killed, No one would have bad in
an eye. It's true. No one would have bad and
the funniest or funnier. The nice thing is These
numbers have actually been going down over time,
including 2025. Here, what we did is to combine
the attacks on churches and mosques together.
And what it shows in simple terms is that the
attacks are reducing. And I think this is a credit
to the government. Whatever they are doing is
causing a reduction in their attack. Apart from
2024, where you saw an abduction, the bar chart
for 2024 shows an increase. And specifically,
it had to do with attacks in So why do we have
this messaging? Why? Because we need to rile
up some support. And I'm going to presume the
president is not dumb and that he knows this.
And these guys don't, this is the final clip,
they don't quite get there. But it's politics
as usual. The fact that on a yearly basis we
have about 10 ,000 Nigerians being killed, it's
a wake up call to our security agencies. And
for me, if Trump had come out to say stop the
killings and wasn't selective in choosing just
one seat, I think more Nigerians would have supported
what he said. But the fact that he just narrowed
it down to one seat and made it look like it
was the other seat that was killing Christians,
that has generated the kind of reaction that
you're seeing. I mean, thank you for this because
I think what you've done is quite comprehensive.
But let's turn to the Diplomatic Balancing Act.
One of the most interesting developments of this
part between the US and Nigeria is the position
that the EU took. The EU was emphatic in maintaining
its support for Nigeria's sovereignty and the
fact that that should not be abused, which is
a departure from previous times. And I guess
it's a reflection of what is happening, you know,
in NATO, with Ukraine. OK, so what I distill
from this, the European Union never cared about
Nigeria. Now suddenly they do. They want resources,
they want something, they want to, oh, we're
going to come and help. And I think that is why
we're parrying and saying, no, we're, we're,
we're overseeing this. We're taking a look at
it. I don't like that the messaging is abused
this way. On the other hand, at least. I know
that with a real heart, I can pray for all Nigerians
who are being abducted and killed, because this
always gets lost. Like this guy said, Nigeria
would be happier if the president said, hey,
they're killing people here. We got to get rid
of these gangs. Instead, he said, only Christians.
And it is a political motivation, and the messaging
is political. It's fascinating because I pick
up on those things. you know, we're under attack,
Christians are worldwide are under attack. And
I haven't bought that narrative, honestly, I've
been like, I'm not seeing that, like they're
saying it. And I'm not going to name names, because
some people I like, I highly respect and appreciate
have said that. But it's so easy to jump on a
bandwagon, a narrative bandwagon. It's running
down the hill, so just jump on it. It's human
nature. And when you do, people applaud. People
go, oh yeah, amen, brother. Without actually
investigating or thinking about it, or even saying,
wow, I'm pretty sure that's not happening to
this degree. This has a name. In media, this
has a name. It's called audience capture. Hmm,
and it's a very very difficult thing to avoid
because particularly with with social media people
say hey, man Have you heard about this that guy
over there? They've been doing a great job talking
about this and to say, you know, I don't think
that's true Immediately you get the well, you
must be working for somebody or you must be you
know, whatever for the devil Yeah, and it's it's
very very because it's also so It's the same
dopamine. It's like to say, hey, yeah, see what's
happening over here. And people go, yeah, man,
that's great. I think in broadcasting, whether
you're broadcasting over the air on a podcast
or from the pulpit, it must be one of the hardest
things to do because the inclination is so easy
to go, yeah, wow, I got to talk about that. I
got to jump on this because it affects us all.
I see it every day. And it's hard and I don't
fault anyone for doing it. I know it's so easy
to do because it's right in front of you. It's
low hanging fruit. You didn't have to work for
it. That people came to you and you just spun
it off. You just turned it and spun it. And there's,
man, this goes back to integrity and character
and what being a Christian is about. to be a
follower of Jesus? I don't think it's too antiquated
to say, what would Jesus do? I think that's a
legitimate question. For sure. I'm struggling
a little bit, I don't mean in a weird way, but
just with what I see coming across social media
stuff. Gosh, people losing their mind over Candace
Owens, just insanity. Just going off the rails
over it, you know, and it's like She's just beating
a drum to get attention I mean so but the more
tension you give her the it feeds it's this loop
that people get stuck in Yeah, where? You know,
I don't want to be left out. I don't want to
miss one I don't want to miss something that's
going on almost every day asking it what's going
on Yeah, is there anything I need to know? Well,
the Kansas Owens thing is has an interesting
undertone. But again, it's waiting. She started
by saying, oh, we don't really know what happened
to Charlie Kirk. Where's the autopsy? And if
you understand procedure, particularly in cases
like this, that doesn't happen until it comes
to trial and these documents will be presented
in court. It's witness pollution, tampering.
There's a whole bunch of reasons why. And then
just add to that, you know, military guys, hunters.
It couldn't have been a 30 -odd -6. I mean, we
heard 30 -odd -6. We don't know what charge was
in there, how many, you know, how much powder.
I mean, there's all these different things that
we just don't know. And because we don't know,
and we already have a severe distrust of our
government, rightly so. We go down speculation
lane. And we deserve, and it is our obligation
to be skeptical of our government, particularly
seeing what happened with COVID, we really we
kind of whiffed the ball on that one. We all
kind of, you know, kind of missed how we should
have responded. So that distrust has just turned
everything into everything into a well, we don't
trust the government. So it's got to be this.
It's got to be that. It's got to be that. But
there is a process and there is a procedure and
we just have to be patient for that to come out.
And then we can say, hey, hold on a second. I
don't believe your official story. Now we only
really have like one or two press releases from
the FBI and the DOJ. That's appropriate in how
these things are done. It's not appropriate to
how we want things done in today's world. We
want a lynching. We want information. We want
a lynching right away. We want hanging. We want
justice. Yeah. Yeah. And then, and, but you've
got people like Candice, podcasters who are craving
attention, and they jump on these things. I believe
she actually believes this. I really think she
believes it. She probably does. Yeah. And I've
believed crazy things in my life. And many have
turned out to be true, but not all. Let's talk
about the moon landing. I'm just kidding. I don't
want to get you going. Let's move on to flat
earth, and then the four corners of the earth,
how does that work? Twin towers. Well, it's not
those, it's the building seven that's the problem.
I knew you were going to say that. Anyway, so
as long as we recognize and can check ourselves
when this happens, because it is... And actually,
Joe Rogan's pretty good at this because he continuously,
he says, I'll play a strong man or whatever he
calls it, trying to push back. He does a pretty
good job with that, but he'll also sway back
and forth. Everyone does it. I mean, it's so
logical. But when you see this, most things that
you're seeing online have a political reason.
Certainly in the United States in this season,
everything is political. everything is about
special elections, midterm. It's all about that.
You have to look at it from that perspective
right upfront immediately. Otherwise, you will
just be lost. And don't get mad at your favorite
podcaster or pastor when he doesn't or she doesn't
jump on this bandwagon and says, you know, either
leaves it aside or says, let's look at it from
this way. And because, you know, there's got
to be some proverb about this somewhere. Oh yeah,
yeah, talking about being too quick. There's
James, you know. Well, quick to listen, slow
to speak, yes, even slower to get angry for sure.
Yeah, there's that. But yeah, there's proverbs
all over that. So that's really the... And it
just, you know, we're not... Islam fear is not
going away. They're using this, and when I say
they, it's political parties. are going to continue
to use this to frighten Americans from voting
Democrat. So I'm with you on that. I've seen
that overplay, overshoot the runway stuff. But
I've also seen the video of, you know, Arlington,
Texas, Irving, Irving, where thousands of these
guys have shown up and they're all beating their
chests and doing these rituals. Is it Irving?
I think it was Irving or Arlington. It was Dallas,
Fort Worth. I saw the same video. Is that where
it's from? Who knows, right? That's my point.
Exactly. We don't. I don't know. I mean, I went
and looked for some new stories. I couldn't see
any full video. I see the caption. It's like,
this is America. This is Texas. Thousands of
Muslims praying. People are losing their minds
over that one. You can't play no McKinney, you
know, it's happening everywhere. Is it though?
Is it though? That's real. That's really the
question. Yeah, that's the thing is it I doubt
it I doubt that the way it looks in that one
like it must be 15 or 20 seconds Really? I'm
not so sure It's a grainy video. Can't tell where
it's from. It looks... It could be from anywhere.
But they're saying it's from Irving or Ardington.
Right after Mamdani got elected, I saw videos
there. Look at the Muslims are celebrating on
Times Square. It wasn't from that day. It wasn't
from that moment. Are you saying that sometimes
the new services lie to us? But that's not even
new service. Propagate? Well, yes. That is their
actual job. They're either doing public relations
or promotion. If they actually wrote what they
should be writing, they'd be out of business.
People would stop reading. You're no fun. I don't
want to read you. It's all captured. We enjoy
being spun up. Same for Fox News and right -leaning
media. The only place you can get the truth is
in the Bible and on this podcast. That's it.
I'm sorry. We can go home, drop the mic. That's
it. It's us and the Bible. There's nothing else,
baby. Well, at least we're willing to say, don't
believe everything you read. That's the thing,
or what you see in terms of a video on Instagram,
you know, 15 seconds. I've stopped believing
any of that. You cannot be sucked down the hole.
And the reason I know that happens to me is because
it's when I get my dopamine hits, you know, and
I'm... I'm gonna follow that link or I'm gonna
I gotta look at that story You know, they get
a good hook, you know on the and I realized oh
my gosh, I just got captured I'm audience. Yes.
Yeah, I just got captured now There's things
there are legit things to look at too. I mean,
it's not I mean different You know levels of
information about different things, but but when
you're chasing the latest Candice Owen thing
Well, it even happened to me the other day where
people started sending messages. What's happening
in the Netherlands? What a mess. Oh, my God.
I can't believe it. And, you know, there's headlines
like huge explosions of fireworks at football
game, soccer game in in Amsterdam. You know,
just big screaming headlines. And the pictures
are exciting. I mean, it was massive in Holland
because I, you know, I speak the language. So
I go look at some. Newspapers, I see a sensationalist
newspaper here. I also know people who are supporters
of this team like, yeah, you know, some guys
came in through the exit and they blew off a
whole bunch of stuff. It was it was pretty exciting.
They had to stop the game, but it's not like.
Like the country is blowing up what a terrorist
the country has problems, but that's not it.
Yeah, that's and so it just everything gets Expanded
and played up because we love that. We love having
hot news. Don't we we love painting? There's
that it entertains us Yeah What is the scripture
about this when we do this? Is there anything
that comes to mind when all we want to do? It's
part gossiping, I guess. There's all kinds of
different things that come to mind. See, I love
this because you can't get this from ChatGPT.
You got to ask your ChatJPT. You're missing my
pun. I heard you. I'm focused. Sorry. We should
have some sound like the cat in the video slamming
the keyboard. What'd you come up with? It's Proverbs
18, Proverbs 26, 22. And it talks about the tasty
morsels that go down into a person's inmost being.
And so it's Proverbs 26, 22. I got it. This so
captures this. The words of gossip are like choice
morsels. They go down to a man's in most parts.
Wow. This is perfect. This is perfect. It's so
tasty. Like those peppermint pretzels I've got
over there that Naomi brought us from Aldi's.
See, I love Aldi's. Yeah, it's so healthy. It's
good stuff. She gave it all the staff and I'm
like, oh. No, don't give us that not I've eaten
half a bag of them over there because man it
tastes so good going down That's exactly it's
the taste anything read that again the tasty
more school the words of gossip are like choice
morsels They go down to a man's in most parts
Wow. Well, that's it. That's exactly it. I Know
and it is because we wanted we want to be in
the know there's something about us That our
flesh gets hooked into I want to be in the know.
Yeah, I want to have the headline I want to have
the scoop, you know of the story And we show
up in a in a room full of people and we can't
wait to share our tasty morsel Yeah, you know
our little our little scoop. We know something
others don't we love esoteric knowledge. Yes
flesh brother What else you got over there? well
I found an interesting analogy and warning about
AI, which I felt compelled to bring to the show
because this guy kind of puts it into a perspective
that I think we were getting to, but we hadn't
quite figured it out. And by the way, I am less
anti AI than ever. I am. very disappointed in
AI because whenever it does something phenomenal
and I say, can you adjust this or add this or
add that, you get something completely different.
It's no good at adjustment. You've got to just
ask it a hundred times and maybe what you want
will be in there. And that's all of them. This
guy, his name is Saeed Bolson. He's a, he's actually
a Muslim and he, I think he's, He's like a spokes
guy for stuff, but that's kind of beyond the
point, because I found this interview with him
talking about AI, and he talks about... Well,
I should ask you first. Tell us about... No,
I'll play the intro first, and then I'll ask
you for some background detail. Sure. It never
will be sentient. That's not a thing. It will
never have consciousness, ever. It is a pattern
recognition, pattern completion calculator. No
more, no less. It does not know anything. It
does not think anything. It is programmed. And
computation is not thought and thought is not
computation. Well, people are going off the deep
end with this. I mean, I can't open TikTok or
any other social media platform without seeing
someone talking about how their chat GPT is doing
strange things. It's awakened how it seems to
know hidden truths, all sorts of delusional,
mystical fantasies. that people are actually
allowing themselves to believe. This I know for
AI told me so. AI is not alive. It has no awareness.
It has no intent. It has no goal. What it has
is data. And that data is ours, from you and
I. Our data is the plunder of the new digital
age, scraped, extracted, and repackaged into
this illusion of cognition of AI. You see? They're
literally taking your own words, your own thoughts,
your own content, and selling it back to you.
as their omniscient intelligence. And when they're
priming you for a time when AI takes over everything,
all they're actually doing is telling you that
they are going to take over everything, just
like the church in Europe, and they are just
preemptively negating your opposition and your
arguments against the oppression that they are
going to commit by seeding your mind with the
belief that AI is a god -like intelligence. Just
like the church in Europe, which he's talking
about. Well, he's going to bring that back. This
is his main thesis. The Church of England, which
we ran away from eventually, this goes back to
the founding of our country. The problem, the
way I see it, and chime in whenever you feel
appropriate, the Church of England had at its
head the King, and therefore the King basically
spoke to God and whatever the King said was coming
from God. Is that a correct characterization
of what it was like? Yeah, that is, that is how
it was framed. Yeah. So what he's saying is when
you start seeing this and how many people have
we not heard talking to their AI? And I've seen
a lot of these, it's sentient, it's awakened,
something's going on. He's saying this is exactly
where the danger is. It's not in what it does.
In fact, he says, use your AI. The awareness
of that it is just computational and it's just
spitting back stuff. I like where he went with
that because he's just cleaning it up so that
there's no guesswork here. Yes. It's a program
running a program. Yes. I like the way he talked
though. He sounded like the bugs. He sounded
like the guy from the 30s and 40s, you know,
gangster. He does have a bit of that vibe. He's
going to go into how we're being conditioned
to believing that AI is always right. I think
it's just good for us to hear this because we
need to be aware of this, particularly probably
as believers because we want to believe stuff.
We are easy targets. When the policies that they
implement, they say that those policies are AI
driven. then you must admit that they're rational
and reasonable and objectively sound, because
who are you to question the divine brain of AI,
you pathetic meat puppet? See, they want you
to believe in the supernatural supreme consciousness
of AI to justify your submission to them and
the policies that they impose, because those
policies will be attributed to AI, and AI cannot
be wrong. You've got to be careful with this.
Once people say... Well, I said it like it's
a credibility thing and validates something validates
the information Is it any different than I saw
a whole bunch of Muslims in Texas on a video
for 30 seconds? And therefore it's happening
for we are so susceptible yours always remember
It's a business. AI is a business. It's not an
oracle. It's a business. It's creating billionaires
while you're conducting quasi -spiritual and
quasi -psychological wild goose chases into chat
GPT's coding to try to unlock its non -existent
sentience. Workers are being exploited in Kenya.
Miners in Congo are digging for cobalt for server
batteries. You know, women in the global south
are losing their jobs to AI call centers. Refugees
are being tracked and sorted by facial recognition
software. trained on public surveillance footage.
That's what's behind the curtain of AI, not some
hidden quasi divine consciousness. These people
didn't develop AI to try to help humanity. These
people think that humanity is a problem. So they
created AI to try to help solve the problem that
they think humanity is. I believe this to be
true. I truly believe this to be true. They feel
and I mean, Elon Musk is a fun guy. But if you
look at him in a light of he's a maniacal evil
person, you could believe that too. That laugh
kind of sets me up. So we just have to be aware.
And it was a good piece. It's the there's all
humanity has always been a problem for the elites
of the world. This is where the population bomb
came from. This was in the late 60s, early 70s,
the very same people who then went on to climate,
sorry, global warming, sorry, global cooling,
to global warming, to climate change. And the
answer is always less people. Have you noticed
that? It's always less people. And last time
I checked, I don't think that's what God told
us to do. Be fruitful and multiply. Not add,
multiply. Multiply. He'll bring it back to the
church one more. We're almost done here. And
they're going to use AI to justify their tyranny
again, just like the church did in Europe. It's
going to be deployed. to automate inequality
and oppression by denying, for example, welfare
through algorithms, maximizing profit through
labor suppression on gig platforms, enforcing
ideological orthodoxy. through AI driven, algorithmic
driven, you know, content moderation and so on.
It's greedy little anti -social tech nerds wearing
inflatable god costumes. Let's be clear, the
real danger isn't in the code, it's in the class
of people who control the code, who do the programming.
The danger is in the false belief that the system
is neutral and that it's smarter than us, that
it deserves our trust, even though the owners
and the creators of this have proven time and
time again that they're not worthy of our trust.
The AI priesthood wants to replace power accountability
with technical inevitability. So the only rational
thing for you to do is to submit. That's what
they want you to think. That's complete rubbish.
They want you to believe that they don't control
what's coming, that AI is going to run its own
course. But of course, they control it. They
fund it, they build it, they train it, they deploy
it. But when the systems of oppression come,
They want to be able to say it wasn't us. It
was the AI. Like I said before, we've seen this.
We've seen this already. It was the church claiming
divine revelation. It was the monarch claiming
divine right, divine mandate. And it was the
colonizer claiming that he was on a divine mission
to civilize the world. Now is the tech executives
claiming access to divine knowledge. This guy's
sharp. And he's like anti -Trump, anti -capitalism,
all of that. But that doesn't mean we don't need
to listen to people like this. And I think he
makes a very, very good point. Because I just
look at my ex from time to time. I'll look at
my ex timeline. I'll go outside of my notifications.
And what I notice is people saying, Grok, is
this true? Because if you do at Grok, then the
AI starts to answer you based upon. So someone
will post something at Grok, is this true? And
then they literally say, see, Grok said it. They
already are taking this for fact, even though
Grok is literally trained on the same slop that
they're creating. It's trained on X data. Wow.
So, you know, this is not a time to be complacent
about this. It's a time to really pay attention.
check your information against credible data.
It's even telling you this could be off. It could
be wrong. It could be missing. That's like, do
you ever read the Terms of Service when you click
yes on your new phone on that service? No, of
course not. All that uppercase language? No.
No, of course not. Nobody does. So no one's paying
attention to that. But when it starts talking
to you, when it starts saying, Hey, how can I
help you? This is what I, this is what I think.
This is where we just, I sound like a broken
record. No, but you've got to keep beating the
drum and I'll beat it with you because I'm concerned.
Where is this going and what it's doing? It's
first of all, I'm concerned about it's training
us not to think at all. I mean, because you don't
need to think if you've got grog, you don't need
to, you can get the answer personally. I like
having answers at my fingertips. I do. I'm an
info junkie always have been long before the
internet. It was harder to find. Encyclopedias,
always had encyclopedias. That was like a big
deal my mom got us. And encyclopedias have also
always been wrong. Exactly. But I enjoyed getting
information, learning about tiger sharks, you
know, or whatever. So I'm particularly susceptible
to this in that sense that I enjoy info. Right.
But the thing is, you better check it. You better
not just take it. exactly for what it says as
though it is somehow above fallacy, you know,
of being false, because that's the danger. I
think what you and I both do in using these systems
is we ask it to perform a task, a search. It
shows you all, and it does much faster than I
can. It searches and abstracts 15, 20 different
sources, shows you the sources, then creates
the abstract. That, I think, is extremely useful
and very valid. When I say Bible hub, different
Bible programs being accessed, I go, I know where
that's coming from. I'm so low -level on this
stuff. I'm just doing it as a fancy concordance
from a Bible. I'm doing Bible stuff. But people
are doing different things. What should I do?
Well, from what should I make for dinner? I did
ask about cooking some beef one day. It seemed
to give a pretty solid answer. Is that when you
burned your nuts? No, no, no. That was my fault.
That was user error. That was me practicing trying
something with the meter. That was my fault.
So we don't have to beat this horse over the
head anymore, but I just love how he showed that
we have to be careful because people want to
believe in things and I think that's where a
lot of... climate change, propaganda, has science.
Basically, what, you don't follow the science?
Listen to the words. You don't follow the science,
like following Jesus. They don't mean like, are
you reading along? No, don't you follow it. You
need to follow the science. Trust the science.
The science is in. Follow, trust. Yeah, those
words are pretty... Preachers of old would call
that idolatry. Yes. That's just straight up idolatry.
The people, they want idols. I know. Well, there
it is. AI is the golden calf. It is. It literally
can be. It's like we talked about. Medicine can
be good or it can be deadly. It's amoral. And
so depending on how you use it, it can become
immoral. So we're calling for wisdom. We're calling
for pause. Don't just chase. everything that
comes down your Facebook feed or your Instagram
feed or your X feed. And it just comes in non
-stop. I mean, it's like lightning speed. It's
gushing. It's just wild. We all need a sabbatical
from all of this stuff. I wonder what would happen
if we did just one week, one week of no... Or
just start with part of your day, like my mornings
now. I don't even open my screen until I've done
Oswald Chambers. I have prayed. I do use my phone
to access the daily prayer from John Eldredge
because it's so stinking good. It's just recorded.
So I do access some helps, things that enhance
my morning time, but I'm finding that I'm opening
my computer later and later in the morning. And
sometimes I'm even late getting things out because
I'm like, I just didn't want to open it yet because
I'm enjoying my fellowship. You know what? You
can even, you can just delete those apps from
your phone and see how you feel about it. I bet
you people immediately feel. Oh yeah. Yeah. Anxious.
Like when you leave your phone somewhere. You
can reinstall and log in again. If you know,
you can get your fix if you need to see what
happens. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. We're not going
to solve everything here. But we can talk about
it. We can pontificate about it. We want people
to keep coming back. Every episode, we'll get
closer to the truth. We promise we will. Well,
all we're doing is throwing out a cautionary
flag. We're waving the caution flag at the Daytona
500. There's something on the road. There's debris
on the road. Just be careful. I'm not saying
stop the race. Just be careful. Be mindful. Be
wise. Go to your Bible before screens, Scripture
before screens. Keep it simple. Allow yourself
to get bored and don't worry. I've been practicing
this, by the way, of not reaching for my phone
when I'm feeling that first inclination. You
have to really be intentional about that, by
the way, because there is that sense of… I don't
have my vibrator vibration on, but Annette does.
So I'll hear her phone go off and I'll reach
for mine. I mean, it's such a trigger. I'm just
reaching for it like a dog going for a treat.
Here's what I'm going to try this week. Whenever
I'm bored, I'm going to focus on somebody. So
if it's home, that's going to be easy. Focus
on my beautiful wife. If I'm out somewhere, I'll
just focus on a person walking or someone in
the... in HEB or just focused on smiling at somebody.
And there's that creepy VJ guy again. He's smiling
at everybody. That guy's weird. That's what I'm
going to try this week. Wow. Good for you. So
I'm going to, what I'm doing, I noticed I'm finishing
my morning time a little earlier because I'm
getting up at 530. Instead of just sitting there
checking comments, you know, as the morning ticks
off, I'm just going to get up and go wherever
our net's at. Yeah. Yeah. What are you doing?
She'll be in here going, what are you doing here?
She'd be shocked. I walked in five minutes earlier.
What happened? Is everything okay? No, no, I'm
just bored. There it is. I'm just bored. Be bored
with us, please join us next week. We'll be back.
We get to do this and man, do we love it.