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Father, we honor you. It is our privilege to

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be here, our privilege to do this. It sounds

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cliché, but it's not. We do get to do this and

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we're thankful for it. Lord, today as we talk,

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as we share, as we deconstruct, whatever it is

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you have us do and whatever you lead us into,

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Lord, we want to be on point. We want to be in

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alignment with your heart, in alignment with

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your word. And Father, above all things, we want

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to honor you, glorify you, and help people. That's

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our heart. So Father, for those that will be

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listening, To this podcast, whenever they pick

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it up, Lord, we trust that you will get it where

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it needs to go and to whom it needs to go to.

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We do it in Jesus' name. Amen. No, it's not a

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cliche. We actually get to do this. I mean it.

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I've never said it as a cliche. I think I started

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saying it probably about a year ago -ish. Oh,

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really? I thought this was a jimmyism for decades.

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This is not an old school. This is a newer version.

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And when I said it the first couple of times,

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I was like, I really like that. And I just started

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saying it over and over. And now it's funny around

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the church. I'll hear people say it. Oh, yeah.

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It's just like, okay, all right, whatever. Whatever

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helps. I was listening to the last episode in

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the car and it was where you were reading your

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daily grind and at the end we both said, this

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is Pastor Jim, you have an amazing day on purpose.

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That was great. But that's milieu or milieu or

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however you want to pronounce. These are really

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important things. in any type of organism or

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organization. And it can be good and it can be

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bad. Right. You know, it's, it's really, um,

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well, gosh, I'm jumping around. This actually

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brought me right into a topic I was going to

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say for later. Um, you know, this is the same

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in, you know, in any organization, but especially

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media organizations. So if you think about Jimmy

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Kimmel and, you know, what he was saying about

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Charlie Kirk and, you know, all of that, fracas

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that led to stations taking them off for a week

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or two. It really is because the people in that

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organization, he has a hundred people, he's got

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writers, ABC, which is owned by Disney. They

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probably have never actually looked into Charlie

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Kirk and they just all believe like, oh yeah,

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no, that guy's a racist. We all know it. I mean,

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Bob said it, Pete over here, he knows about it.

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And it's not even that these people are bad people.

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They just have never looked into it. I mean,

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nobody can look into everything that's claimed

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in the world. There's no way. So these kind of

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group think is very, very typical. Group think.

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Mob mentality. It's another way to say it. Remember

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what the mob said around Jesus? Crucify him.

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Crucify him. Most of the people in that crowd

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didn't even know what they were talking about.

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Precisely. It's the same thing. So this can be

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good and it can be bad. Um, and of course that

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all depends on your opinion if you're in the

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group or if you're not in the group. And something

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happened this past week that, uh, and this, uh,

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I may even, I know, I'm pretty sure I'm going

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to reuse this on no agenda. It's that good. And

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it was about the BBC. Now the BBC is, is really

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considered to be one of the premier organizations

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in highbrow news, information, entertainment,

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etc. The way the BBC works in the United Kingdom,

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it's not funded by tax money. Everybody, if you

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have a television, I think now they probably

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extended it to if you have a computer screen

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and a cable modem, you have to pay what they

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call the license fee. And I think it's about

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$300 a year. and it's mandatory, and they come

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and check. They have vans driving around like,

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hey, can we check in your house? If you have

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a TV screen, you're not paying your license fee,

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then you get fined. And this was done specifically

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so that there could never be political influence

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over the BBC as an organization. Of course, you

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know. How's that working for you? Well, and this

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is kind of the point, because if you look at

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their board of directors, they have a board of

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governors, they have a content board, a news,

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I mean, they have all kinds of boards and it's

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all Lord so -and -so, sir, dippity dip, you know,

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so it's very, very elitist. But still, and they

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have BBC World, BBC America, they have BBC Arabic,

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they've got, it is a huge, huge, huge organization.

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And something came out and the timing of which

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is interesting, the timing of it coming out now

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with the timing of what this first report is

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about is interesting. But it really shows, I

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should probably mention that there's circular

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reporting in the world. So in the 70s, they had

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a commission in Congress and it turns out that

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the CIA had all kinds of people writing stories

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for CBS News, you know, for the nightly news.

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And this was a huge scandal. I forget the name

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of the committee. But so, you know, it kind of

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shifted. So you would have someone writing, I

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think we've discussed this before, for the Uganda

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Times. And that would be a CIA propagandist.

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That's really what the CIA does most of is, believe

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me, intelligence agencies, they're more about

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propaganda in the news and social media, of course,

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only made it that much easier for them where

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you don't know who's who and if who is even real.

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And the whole point of that is so that the New

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York Times or the Wall Street Journal or the

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Financial Times could say, according to the Uganda

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Times, this is happening. So then it's kind of

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like that distance. Well, we heard it from this

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credible organization. So the BBC even from my

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mind has always been highly credible because

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you know this is and the British are very very

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proud they call the BBC auntie auntie auntie

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so auntie we all trust auntie don't we well that

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kind of broke down right and it broke down this

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week and you probably heard about the first story

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but the second and third stories have not gotten

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much traction at all so this is about the program

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panorama which is a very influential, kind of

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like a 60 minutes to highly produce. And it turns

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out that the BBC intentionally, really intentionally

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edited the January 6 speech of President Trump

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to make it sound like he incited the January

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6, quote unquote, insurrection. And I'll play

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this this this is so the the telegraph the newspaper

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the telegraph they got a whistleblower report

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and so they Uncovered this and they released

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this just about a week ago. I said wow look at

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what the BBC has been doing the important thing

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of this first story is that this Program panorama

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aired on November 2nd just days before the election

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And it aired in the United States, on BBC America,

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aired multiple times. These things make a difference.

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They really do. But what it starts to uncover

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for us is the milieu of the BBC who just believe

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a whole bunch of things and how we always need

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to just go back to the Bible for the truth. I

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think you said facts change. But the truth is

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the truth. Yes. And this is a clear cut example

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of the facts changing right before your very

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eyes. Well, it's the biggest story in town. It

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turns out American President Donald Trump was

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onto something. Where are you from? BBC. Here's

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another beauty. It's a good line. Impartial,

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free and fair. Yeah, sure. Well, that criticism

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of the BBC and John Sople he was talking to there

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apparently was well -founded because the so -called

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impartial and accurate public service broadcaster

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is nothing but. Because tonight the BBC is facing

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serious questions over its credibility after

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the Daily Telegraph exposed a panorama segment

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that heavily doctored a speech by the American

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president in 2021, hours before the infamous

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January the 6th Capitol riot. As you're about

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to hear, the corporation spliced together two

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quotes, one hour apart, to make it seem like

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he encouraged an insurrection. They played the

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following clip. We're going to walk down to the

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Capitol and I'll be there with you and we fight.

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We fight like hell. But Trump didn't in fact

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say this at all. The BBC spliced together two

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clips that took place 54 minutes apart. So let's

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go through it again. to the Capitol. By the way,

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they don't mention that in this report, but the

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music, that's the music that they put underneath

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the president's speech at that point. Very, very

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subversive. Get your nervous, get your nervous

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system all. Something epic is about to happen.

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That's important too. Wow. We're going to walk

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down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you.

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Now, see there between Capitol and, and That's

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a cut. Here's what Trump actually said. It's

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different. It wasn't until nearly an hour later

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that he then said the second part of the BBC's

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version. And we fight. We fight like hell. That

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is damning. Yeah. No kidding. Wow. And, you know,

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this is the first time I've heard this, by the

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way. Oh, really? I know this is popular right

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now. I just literally have not been on the news.

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This is why I'm here, brother. I'm here to give

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you what's important. I was happier before I

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knew this. No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.

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Ignorance is bliss. Yeah, this is true. So now

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in television editing, It's okay if you want

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to put those two pieces together. What you do

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is like a flash wipe is what we call it. You

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see a little white bit. Even though that is also

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deceptive, but that's now kind of generally accepted

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as, all right, so you cut those two pieces together.

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It's like an ellipsis, like a dot, dot, dot.

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In a way. Yeah, exactly. But this, they literally...

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Did a good job on the audio edit and then just

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put a quick crowd shot over it So it was wow

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total. That's what so much option deception Yeah,

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and the music like you said the power of music

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life does not have a soundtrack No, but yet they've

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got this epic build like it sounded like something

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out of a movie is what it sounded like precisely

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so so This by itself. Okay politics, you know,

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we know that the UK actually sent over, I think

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it was like 50 or 75 of their top government

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people to campaign for Kamala Harris. You might

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recall that. If you want to look for an enemy

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in our own politics, I would say, look at what's

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going on over there. Remember, this milieu is

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lords and sirs and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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So you just keep that in your back pocket. But

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now, what else has the BBC been doing? And this

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is really, really critical. This is also from

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The Telegraph. And why they're releasing all

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this now, you know, I've got to dive into that

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and I have my suspicions as to why. But when

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it comes to propaganda about Israel, Listen to

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what they were doing. In April and June 2024,

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the BBC published two stories about the discovery

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of mass graves at Al Nasser and Al Shifa hospitals

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in Gaza. According to the internal BBC dossier,

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the article strongly implied that Israeli forces

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had buried bodies at both sites prior to withdrawing

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from the area. The articles also mentioned alleged

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evidence of war crimes, including bodies found

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with their hands tied and gunshot wounds their

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heads. But the BBC's own editorial standards

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committee was told that this narrative was wrong.

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The memo says that the most likely explanation

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is that the mass graves were dug by Palestinians

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themselves and the people buried there had died

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or been killed prior to the arrival of the Israeli

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ground forces. So the BBC made a mistake, well

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perhaps. But the committee argues that the broadcaster

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knew that Palestinians were burying their dead

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at these sites before the Israeli raids. Whatever

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your personal views may be on the actions of

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Israel in Gaza, implying a country committed

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war crimes when there is evidence to the contrary

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has serious ramifications, not least because

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it could erode the credibility of genuine war

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crime claims at a later date. Complete sick groupthink

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is what that is. Wow. And you can say it's anti

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-Semitic. It certainly is anti -Israel. There

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you go. The very state, the modern state of Israel

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that Britain created. So we don't need to go

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into all of that, but just to show you that the

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most, we know that we, I don't think anyone really

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trusts US news that much, but man, the BBC, the

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BBC had, has a standard that everybody, including

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the Brit, or specifically the British really

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thought was quite high. The third one, well,

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it won't surprise you, but it still blew me away

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that this is how the BBC, the premier news organization

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in the world maybe operates. This internal BBC

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memo accuses the broadcaster of censoring its

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stories about the trans debate. In it, one of

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the BBC's own independent advisors repeatedly

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warns that the broadcaster is exhibiting serious

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and systemic problems. But in the case of the

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trans issue, It's not just how the content is

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reported or edited or framed. Instead, it's what

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audiences don't see that reveals the one -sided

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nature of their coverage. Now, this dossier describes

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in damning terms allegations that the BBC's specialist

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LGBTQ desk had been, quote, captured by a small

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group of people promoting the stonewall view

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of the debate and keeping other perspectives

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off air. The way the BBC works is that different

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news programmes have to share a pool of reporters

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rather than having their own dedicated reporters,

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which means that for stories about LGBTQ issues,

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they have to use reporters from the LGBTQ desk.

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Crucially though, the report claims that those

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reporters refuse to cover any stories that raise

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what are called difficult questions about the

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trans debate. The dossier goes as far as to allege

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that the BBC shares a constant drip feed of one

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-sided stories that celebrate the trans experience

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without adequate balance or objectivity. Surprise.

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Shock and awe. Not at this point. Right. Is anybody

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surprised at this point? Well, probably not,

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but we still need to think about what does this

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really mean for anything that we look at. Right.

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And you know, if anyone's taught me to be more...

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to look at things more critically, not critically

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in a negative sense, it's critically in terms

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of let's really look and dig down. It's you and

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John Deeb, you know, John Dvorak as well. curmudgeon

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and all, which I absolutely love the guy. But

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you guys, you've opened my eyes. I was living

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ignorantly in bliss for many decades. Oh, trust

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the government. My dad was a firefighter. He

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worked for the city, the county. I was part of

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that system. And so you trust them. They're right

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in your paychecks. And now at this season of

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life, level six, I'm now Every time I hear something,

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I'm saying, I don't believe it. It's kind of

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sad that we have to think that way. It's tragic.

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But I'd rather live with my eyes wide open than

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just be a lemming walking off a cliff and following

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somebody else. Which is pretty much what I see

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every single day. Friends of mine, family members,

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everyone's just like, oh my gosh, I can't believe

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this. Can you believe this? Oh, this is it. It's

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like the game of telephone. I mean, there is

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some something that happened. There's a fact.

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And by the time it gets to your timeline or wherever

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you're picking it up, it could be it could be

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the complete opposite of the truth. I did a thing.

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Oh, so for two weeks I stayed off of news feeds.

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OK, I didn't look at Newsmax, Epic Times. I didn't

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do anything. I just. I did peek into CBN news

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just to see if there was any revival stuff happening.

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And there is. Great news there. Good stuff. And

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so two nights ago, Annette's watching one of

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her favorite shows, which is not one of mine.

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So I pulled out my iPad and I just thought, I've

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not looked at... a news feed. I can have that

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chocolate bar. That's kind of how that was. I

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can have it. That Hershey's bar. So I looked

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it up. I started going through it. You know what?

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There was a lot of new stuff, but it wasn't really

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new. It's the same song, 50th of the Verse. And

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I just literally laughed out loud. She goes,

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what are you laughing at? And I said, the news.

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Oh, you're reading it. I said, I'm just sort

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of scamming, skimming it. And I'm like, it's

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the same stuff. Same rhetoric, same. It may be

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a different theme to the story, but at the end

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of the day, it's the same story. Over and over.

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Alert, alert. Can't we find that in Scripture

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as well, is that it's always the same, it's always

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cyclical, it's always the same basic tenets of

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what people consider to be news, like, oh, you

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know, look at these wonders this guy has done.

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He must be doing that by the power of the devil.

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I forget what, isn't that Luke or something?

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Well, I mean, it depends. It could be any of

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the Gospels. It could be any of the Gospels,

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of course. Yeah. But Beelzebub or whatever. Oh,

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he's doing this by the power of the devil, which

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is, of course, the news is, look what he did.

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He cured this person, you know, drove the demon

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out of him. And then the timeline is, well, clearly

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the devil, he has the power of the devil to do

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this. It's kind of the same thing. It doesn't

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change, does it? It does. It really doesn't.

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It's like human nature. does not change. We get

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more technologically advanced, but it doesn't

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change our nature. It may look a little different.

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It'll be framed differently. It'll have bells

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and whistles that it didn't have, but it's still

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the same issue. And the issue is sin. The issue

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is self. Me before anything. I'm the king. Which

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is the crux of social media. In Isaiah, the devil

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said, I will rise and I will exalt myself above

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him. above God. And then the Tower of Babel,

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right from the beginning, they're like, if we

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can build, do this together, we can actually

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reach heaven. Bro, this is, I said bro. It's

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still happening. I said bro. It's all right,

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we're brothers. Bro is fine. But this is exactly

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what's happening right now. You're seeing these

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groups like MAGA and America First, or the DSA.

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I mean, people are really And that most of what

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I see on social media is people speaking the

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way they really want to hear their representative

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speaking. Have you ever noticed that? Yes. No,

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I can't believe that they are doing, they are

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doing that. This, they need to do this. And like,

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y 'all, you're not going to hear this on mainstream.

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You know, it's that's what these people and these

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people are our friends and family too. And at

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certain points myself, I mean, I do it. That's

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really what we want to hear from our representatives

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who of course have a whole have a whole bunch

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of other stuff on their plate But it is all about

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me myself and I and but if we all get together

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and build this tower But we'll be more powerful

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than anybody and that the only tower I know in

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really the only country is America with government,

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you know for by and of the people But it's not

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gonna work. If you just yelling on social media

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trust me it goes nowhere Right now, everybody's

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mad at Candice Owen. It's like beating this drum

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and showing clips. She's getting more promotional

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PR than anybody I've ever seen. People are going

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to flock to her. It's working for her. Everybody's

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mad at her and they're showing clips. Again,

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I spent probably 10 minutes last night before

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I went to sleep. I've still keyed up because

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we had friends over and I was still trying to

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come down from four hours of conversation, literally.

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And so it was like, I couldn't just turn the

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light off. So I sat there and I thumbed through

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and it's like, there it is. Oh, there's Candace

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Owen being shown by this podcaster pointing out

00:22:24.890 --> 00:22:28.250
her fallacies. Here's another one pointing, and

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it was the same thing over and over and over.

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It's like they're all saying the same things,

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but trying to get your attention. I'm not quite

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sure where I fall on what this is. I've seen

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this before, but never to this level. And it

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all centers around America first, MAGA, throw

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in Israel, throw in Charlie Kirk, throw in Epstein.

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And it's like this big soup of slop. That's just

00:23:02.980 --> 00:23:06.599
being stirred and served and to me it's it personally

00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:10.019
to me is disappointing I've always enjoyed Megyn

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Kelly. I haven't really watched her for a long

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time, but now she's in the slop You know, she's

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jumped in feet -first and swirling around and

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I'm seeing big -name pastors on their podcast

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Waiting into this like brother. Don't don't you

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see that? I'm watching it too with pastors that

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I like that really value. Yeah, and they're just

00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:34.019
treading into it. This morning, I saw one of

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my friends who's a podcaster treading into that

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water and I'm like, ah, too soon, too soon. And

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there's, it feels like to me this, I could be,

00:23:44.099 --> 00:23:46.680
you could tell me this from a podcaster's perspective,

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but it's like every time something happens in

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the world, everybody who considers themselves

00:23:52.339 --> 00:23:54.500
an influencer feels like they have to have an

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opinion on it. So they jump online, and they

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say things and they show a clip or they commentary

00:24:01.970 --> 00:24:05.069
on something. And then a few days pass and it

00:24:05.069 --> 00:24:07.069
may not have been the truth. It may not have

00:24:07.069 --> 00:24:09.609
been the actual narrative, but they don't go

00:24:09.609 --> 00:24:12.910
back and go, I was wrong. I really missed that.

00:24:12.930 --> 00:24:16.069
Swing and a miss. Well, and by the way, you're

00:24:16.069 --> 00:24:18.650
a podcaster, whether you believe it or not, you're

00:24:18.650 --> 00:24:21.190
a professional podcaster. Well, I am quick to

00:24:21.190 --> 00:24:24.789
say I was wrong. I'll own it, man, if I miss

00:24:24.789 --> 00:24:27.869
it. Swing and a miss. This is human nature. people,

00:24:28.609 --> 00:24:32.630
and I know that, because like no agenda is only

00:24:32.630 --> 00:24:34.490
twice a week, Thursdays and Sundays, but it's

00:24:34.490 --> 00:24:37.930
already happening with our podcast. People are

00:24:37.930 --> 00:24:40.670
saying, I wonder what the boys are going to say

00:24:40.670 --> 00:24:43.930
about this. I wonder what Pastor Jimmy and Adam

00:24:43.930 --> 00:24:46.049
are going to say, because they're desperately

00:24:46.049 --> 00:24:49.910
looking for either, in some cases validation,

00:24:50.150 --> 00:24:52.549
but just help me, help me, help me, help me.

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And a lot of this stems from... Man, we are we

00:24:55.809 --> 00:24:58.690
went through a season of reveal into the Great

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Awakening, which I think I think you need those

00:25:01.529 --> 00:25:08.769
two steps to get to revival. COVID did a lot

00:25:08.769 --> 00:25:13.049
for people to just want to say. I want someone

00:25:13.049 --> 00:25:16.670
to tell me what's going on. I know who I don't

00:25:16.670 --> 00:25:19.529
trust anymore. Right. And I trust these people

00:25:19.529 --> 00:25:22.910
because of A, B and C. The hardest thing. is

00:25:22.910 --> 00:25:26.750
when, because it is media, and I deconstruct

00:25:26.750 --> 00:25:30.930
media for a living. So when I deconstruct podcasts,

00:25:31.430 --> 00:25:37.809
people get very, very mad at me. And most get

00:25:37.809 --> 00:25:41.130
just mad and are outraged. You're shooting inside

00:25:41.130 --> 00:25:44.450
the tent, man. What are you doing? Because a

00:25:44.450 --> 00:25:48.839
lot of people... have latched onto different

00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.859
podcasters, different podcasts, could be Rogan,

00:25:51.940 --> 00:25:55.759
could be Dave Smith, could be Tom Woods, et cetera,

00:25:55.900 --> 00:25:58.339
et cetera. And the minute you say, well, I don't

00:25:58.339 --> 00:26:00.500
think he's saying the right thing or he's often

00:26:00.500 --> 00:26:04.339
some tangent. You've touched something. Yes,

00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:07.220
it's like the third rail. Touching a podcaster?

00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:12.859
I can say anything I want about MSNBC, CNN, BBC,

00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.079
but the minute I say, I think this podcaster

00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.940
is off base, people get hurt because these have

00:26:18.940 --> 00:26:23.759
become their friends who they trust. And by the

00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:26.240
same token, this idea of audience capture, which

00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:31.539
is the same in a church. you know, in this world

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or no longer of that world for a couple years.

00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:39.440
But I'm sure that many pastors and preachers

00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:46.019
and church leaders will approach certain topics

00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:49.079
in a certain way because they don't want to offend

00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:54.519
their quote -unquote audience. It's true. Something

00:26:54.519 --> 00:27:00.839
I've noticed is this idea that people are very

00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:04.000
proud of being considered an influencer. I've

00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.579
got X amount of followers. I have X amount of

00:27:06.579 --> 00:27:09.000
pride. Then you've got people that are very,

00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:12.940
they've moved from being an influencer, which

00:27:12.940 --> 00:27:15.940
is legitimate title. You know, we do, we influence

00:27:15.940 --> 00:27:20.480
people, but into expert, expert status. So now

00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.640
all these influencers are suddenly trusted experts.

00:27:24.700 --> 00:27:27.900
And actually at the end of the day, we're all

00:27:27.900 --> 00:27:30.609
just have opinions. Yeah. Oh, we don't know the

00:27:30.609 --> 00:27:33.109
whole truth on anything. Nobody does. This is

00:27:33.109 --> 00:27:37.309
why I'm a podcaster saying, turn off your screen,

00:27:37.470 --> 00:27:39.710
put down your screens and pick up your Bibles.

00:27:40.950 --> 00:27:43.269
Because what's been good for me in the last few

00:27:43.269 --> 00:27:46.730
weeks is doing that very thing and staying in

00:27:46.730 --> 00:27:50.849
the Word. And I'm telling you, truth begins to

00:27:50.849 --> 00:27:52.269
become evident. You know, it's like when they

00:27:52.269 --> 00:27:56.230
teach a tell her how to handle money. They don't

00:27:56.230 --> 00:27:59.210
let them play with counterfeit money. They only

00:27:59.210 --> 00:28:02.329
get to know a real dollar bill. Then when a counterfeit

00:28:02.329 --> 00:28:04.089
comes through, you're like, oh, there it is.

00:28:04.650 --> 00:28:06.470
But you don't have to learn everything about

00:28:06.470 --> 00:28:09.690
a counterfeit to recognize one. It's the same

00:28:09.690 --> 00:28:12.309
principle here. You pick up the Bible and go,

00:28:12.450 --> 00:28:15.750
oh, that's like drinking a cool drink of water

00:28:15.750 --> 00:28:19.630
on a hot August day in the hill country. Wow,

00:28:19.990 --> 00:28:24.650
that's real. That's refreshing. That's satiating.

00:28:24.990 --> 00:28:27.470
Whereas when you're on line, you're just one

00:28:27.470 --> 00:28:29.650
dopamine hit after another, after another, after

00:28:29.650 --> 00:28:36.099
another. I love doggy videos. I'm just going

00:28:36.099 --> 00:28:38.559
to say it. Now, do you still watch those during

00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:43.039
your break from news? I do. Okay. If you look

00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:47.279
at my algo on Instagram, it's hilarious. It's

00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:51.240
dog videos. I mean, like one after another, like

00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.539
I pull up my little explore, whatever it's called,

00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:55.299
discover. I can't remember what they call it.

00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.859
I don't pay much attention to it, but It's like

00:28:57.859 --> 00:29:00.079
all doggy stuff. And then it's like, you're so

00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.819
weird. No, but it's so innocent. That's the one

00:29:03.819 --> 00:29:07.440
thing I can entertain myself with. Laugh, smile,

00:29:07.460 --> 00:29:09.640
and feel some love, you know, without getting

00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:13.200
all caught up in all the work, the cesspool,

00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:17.059
the slurry, everything else. While you're doing

00:29:17.059 --> 00:29:20.140
that, does the algo sometimes pop something else?

00:29:22.460 --> 00:29:25.119
That's the evil part. I get a lot of airplane

00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:29.089
stuff. I get weird stuff. The stuff that interests

00:29:29.089 --> 00:29:32.490
me is when I'm just letting my mind go idle is

00:29:32.490 --> 00:29:35.869
watching jet fighters, dog fight, or people fly

00:29:35.869 --> 00:29:39.730
a glider. The weird things of hover are hilarious

00:29:39.730 --> 00:29:43.269
because I like that stuff. I like flying. I like

00:29:43.269 --> 00:29:47.450
all that. Pilot but I'm not just to want to be

00:29:47.450 --> 00:29:50.690
you use more aviation references than any non

00:29:50.690 --> 00:29:53.829
aviator though Yeah flaps down land in the plane

00:29:53.829 --> 00:29:56.670
a plane landing gears down your altitude determines

00:29:56.670 --> 00:29:59.210
your your attitude determines your altitude That's

00:29:59.210 --> 00:30:01.890
I love that one. That's it. I don't know. Maybe

00:30:01.890 --> 00:30:04.950
it was a wannabe pilot or something. But anyway,

00:30:05.250 --> 00:30:10.769
I just This idea of that everyone's an expert

00:30:10.769 --> 00:30:13.109
it's one thing that if everyone's honest and

00:30:13.109 --> 00:30:16.609
says this is just my opinion Wow. Okay. I might

00:30:16.609 --> 00:30:20.190
listen to you, but people that have become, just

00:30:20.190 --> 00:30:22.829
because they have a lot of followers, they now

00:30:22.829 --> 00:30:27.009
are self -declared experts. And I'm sorry. I

00:30:27.009 --> 00:30:29.509
mean, I don't mean to be negative about specific

00:30:29.509 --> 00:30:31.789
people. I won't even name names, but some of

00:30:31.789 --> 00:30:35.430
those popular podcasts out there, I'm like, why

00:30:35.430 --> 00:30:37.569
does their opinion mean more than anybody else's

00:30:37.569 --> 00:30:39.750
just because they have more followers? How many

00:30:39.750 --> 00:30:42.059
times you heard someone say this? Well, he has

00:30:42.059 --> 00:30:46.720
2 million followers. That's an automatic validation

00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.799
of that person must know what they're talking

00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:51.460
about. Or he's got a heck of a producer who knows

00:30:51.460 --> 00:30:55.200
like a Matt Munt. If we could hire Matt Munt

00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:58.220
to carry, we get to do this, man, we'd have a

00:30:58.220 --> 00:30:59.759
million followers. We'd have millions of followers.

00:31:00.099 --> 00:31:02.480
Well, I get offers every day online. Don't you

00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.089
get emails of people wanting to... take your

00:31:05.089 --> 00:31:09.450
thing to the next level? Hi, first name. Whenever

00:31:09.450 --> 00:31:11.349
I get one of those with like the first name,

00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:14.789
I always hit reply. I say, you really need to

00:31:14.789 --> 00:31:18.230
fix your system because, you know, it's still

00:31:18.230 --> 00:31:23.730
too automated. I got one the other day. How was

00:31:23.730 --> 00:31:27.269
it? Like if, you know, if, if you hire me, then

00:31:27.269 --> 00:31:30.930
I'll fix this for you because that will really

00:31:30.930 --> 00:31:35.039
enhance your engagement. with podcast enthusiasts.

00:31:36.500 --> 00:31:40.880
So that's you listener. You're a podcast enthusiast.

00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.259
I'm so happy to have you listening to us here.

00:31:43.339 --> 00:31:47.400
I get that stuff. It's complicated. So we took

00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.900
a road trip last Saturday. Are you going to tell

00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:53.940
about nearly killing us three times or is this

00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:55.880
part just something a different part of this?

00:31:55.980 --> 00:31:58.559
Okay, so you really brought it up. See, when

00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.559
we came home, I right away went to Tina and said,

00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.339
before you hear about it, Jimmy saved our lives

00:32:05.339 --> 00:32:07.160
three times. Did you know I didn't even think

00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.200
about it again until Tina brought it up or Ned

00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:11.900
or somebody. One of y 'all brought it up. I said,

00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.680
oh yeah, I forgot about that. We're driving along

00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.579
and quite honest, we're yapping. We should have

00:32:17.579 --> 00:32:20.529
hit record. Well, this is this is the point I

00:32:20.529 --> 00:32:23.390
was going to make. You know, we're connecting

00:32:23.390 --> 00:32:25.890
your phone to Bluetooth. Meanwhile, I got my

00:32:25.890 --> 00:32:28.309
phone here for the while we're driving while

00:32:28.309 --> 00:32:32.599
we're driving. And then Jimmy's like. Oh, okay.

00:32:33.339 --> 00:32:36.259
But not once, not twice, three times. That was

00:32:36.259 --> 00:32:38.700
only on the way over there. Well, to your defense,

00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:41.339
they do keep adding lights on the way to dripping

00:32:41.339 --> 00:32:44.200
springs. I'm in the middle of a highway. Speed

00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:47.380
limit is 65, and there's a red light. What? Who

00:32:47.380 --> 00:32:49.920
does that? But it could have been noisy, so I'm

00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.839
appreciative of that. But correct. And we even

00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.779
said, well, we really should be recording this,

00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.259
because we got into some really good stuff. And

00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:02.269
the main one I enjoyed Was about AI because we

00:33:02.269 --> 00:33:06.829
were both talking about You know And of course,

00:33:06.829 --> 00:33:09.109
it'll be impossible to recreate the conversation,

00:33:09.109 --> 00:33:14.049
but you made an analogy to AI and the Gutenberg

00:33:14.049 --> 00:33:17.490
press mmm, you think you can rekindle that one?

00:33:17.609 --> 00:33:22.450
Yeah, I mentioned that to Annette so You brought

00:33:22.450 --> 00:33:24.950
up an interesting thought that I hadn't really

00:33:24.950 --> 00:33:27.869
thought about this angle about could something

00:33:27.869 --> 00:33:31.740
that is created by AI, but of course we put the

00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:35.099
prompts in, right? We prompt, and then AI creates

00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:37.819
based on our prompts. Creates the right thing,

00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:39.900
constructs, whatever you want to call it. Maybe

00:33:39.900 --> 00:33:42.119
it's not real creation, maybe it is. Hallucinates.

00:33:42.339 --> 00:33:45.339
So you made a comment, could that be the Holy

00:33:45.339 --> 00:33:48.759
Spirit? Could the Holy Spirit take our prompts,

00:33:49.220 --> 00:33:52.420
things we've dropped into ChatGBT, whichever

00:33:52.420 --> 00:33:56.200
one, there's a bunch of them, Grok, and actually

00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:59.019
create something that's of the Lord, of the Spirit.

00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:01.420
So we were talking about that because there's

00:34:01.420 --> 00:34:04.839
a lot of apps out right now that from a Christian

00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:09.300
perspective, the AI sermons, the AI Bible, the

00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:12.739
AI chat Bible. I mean, you look it up and it

00:34:12.739 --> 00:34:15.400
just populates. There's a bunch of them. So there's

00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.539
a lot of early adopters on this from the Christian

00:34:17.539 --> 00:34:20.920
world. A bit slower to adopt. I kind of want

00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.559
to wait and see kind of thing. And so we were

00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:27.010
talking about it and I said, well, When they

00:34:27.010 --> 00:34:29.150
came out with the Gutenberg press, they started

00:34:29.150 --> 00:34:31.869
printing Bibles for the first time. The Gutenberg

00:34:31.869 --> 00:34:36.429
was the most well -known. Could there have been

00:34:36.429 --> 00:34:40.349
people saying, well, wait a minute, that's artificial?

00:34:41.429 --> 00:34:43.369
Because for the technology of their day, that

00:34:43.369 --> 00:34:47.070
was a big deal. No one had ever mass -produced

00:34:47.070 --> 00:34:49.429
or printed the Bible. We can't even imagine what

00:34:49.429 --> 00:34:52.230
that was like when printing came along. No, we

00:34:52.230 --> 00:34:55.739
can't. We can't put ourselves there. push yourself

00:34:55.739 --> 00:34:57.659
as hard as you can with your sanctified imagination

00:34:57.659 --> 00:35:02.199
that that had to be shocking, that suddenly it

00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.539
was available to everyone. It was only available

00:35:05.539 --> 00:35:11.219
before to priests, pastors, people that kings,

00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:15.820
clergy, ruling class. All of a sudden, the Bible

00:35:15.820 --> 00:35:18.280
is available to the entire public. Well, that

00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:23.320
can't be of God because it's artificial. So there's

00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.969
the thing. So you and I have friends on both

00:35:25.969 --> 00:35:29.050
ends of the spectrum that were like early adopters,

00:35:29.110 --> 00:35:32.230
and they'll come and say things to us like, oh

00:35:32.230 --> 00:35:34.789
man, we're doing this thing and we're using AI

00:35:34.789 --> 00:35:37.730
like it's a badge of honor. And you and I are

00:35:37.730 --> 00:35:41.989
cringing like, ooh, really? That is our immediate

00:35:41.989 --> 00:35:45.909
natural response. I know, it's cringe. Yeah,

00:35:46.010 --> 00:35:49.519
and I don't know why I react like that. I think

00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.559
because I've not become an early adopter on everything,

00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.420
you've taught me that, honestly. to just kind

00:35:55.420 --> 00:35:57.579
of wait and see, you know, like, like I was joking

00:35:57.579 --> 00:36:00.059
the other day about having to update my roadcaster.

00:36:00.500 --> 00:36:02.800
It forced me to, and I was upset about it. It's

00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:04.719
like, wait, I don't even get an option. Cause

00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:06.900
I always tell you, I said, don't never update

00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:09.119
right away. Let it sit for a week. I just recorded

00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.219
all my DG's and then I plug it in to drop it

00:36:13.219 --> 00:36:17.099
onto my computer. It forces me into an upgrade

00:36:17.099 --> 00:36:19.599
cycle. I was upset about it. Anyway, I'm not

00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.880
an early adopter like I used to be on things.

00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.710
I'll kind of like, Let's just wait and see. Let's

00:36:24.710 --> 00:36:28.269
give it a little bit. It could be because I'm

00:36:28.269 --> 00:36:31.150
getting older too. I'm not as quick to jump on

00:36:31.150 --> 00:36:33.570
things, but we've had a lot of friends that are

00:36:33.570 --> 00:36:37.190
proud. Oh, man. Oh my gosh. I got this AI program.

00:36:37.309 --> 00:36:39.909
It's writing my sermons. I got this AI program.

00:36:40.130 --> 00:36:43.650
It's doing this and that. I got this AI program.

00:36:43.769 --> 00:36:46.969
It's writing all my emails for me now. I'm like,

00:36:48.429 --> 00:36:51.070
okay. All right. I'm not sure about that. That's

00:36:51.070 --> 00:36:52.989
one end of the spectrum. The other end of the

00:36:52.989 --> 00:36:55.530
spectrum is like, oh, it's of the devil. This

00:36:55.530 --> 00:36:58.809
is the Antichrist. Oh, six six, might as well

00:36:58.809 --> 00:37:01.010
get six six six tattooed on your forehead if

00:37:01.010 --> 00:37:03.590
you're going to use AI. So we got the other end

00:37:03.590 --> 00:37:06.150
of the spectrum, right? Somewhere in the middle,

00:37:06.250 --> 00:37:08.610
there's probably some health. There's probably

00:37:08.610 --> 00:37:12.010
something good. So to me, the way I look at AI

00:37:12.010 --> 00:37:17.190
is it is a tool. It's not going to use me. I'm

00:37:17.190 --> 00:37:20.670
going to use it. The day I start to think it's

00:37:20.670 --> 00:37:24.530
using me, I'm going to stop or tap the brakes.

00:37:24.530 --> 00:37:27.969
This is the tricky part because a car is a tool.

00:37:28.389 --> 00:37:32.510
You can easily kill 30 people with a car. A shovel

00:37:32.510 --> 00:37:35.989
is a tool. It's obvious what you can do with

00:37:35.989 --> 00:37:39.250
all these things. A gun, you can hunt game and

00:37:39.250 --> 00:37:43.630
eat. Right. Actually, this does bring me to a

00:37:43.630 --> 00:37:48.570
clip because you brought it up. I'm curious to

00:37:48.570 --> 00:37:50.309
see what you think, but I'm pretty sure I already

00:37:50.309 --> 00:37:52.710
know what you're going to say. This is, do you

00:37:52.710 --> 00:37:56.769
know Pastor Austin Hamrick? That name is familiar,

00:37:57.030 --> 00:38:00.429
yes. So, he seems to have a reasonable -sized

00:38:00.429 --> 00:38:04.329
church. I have no idea where he is. And this

00:38:04.329 --> 00:38:07.409
was, in my mind, I was looking at something completely

00:38:07.409 --> 00:38:11.650
different. I actually accidentally hit a button,

00:38:12.210 --> 00:38:15.969
and this video popped up. And whenever this happens,

00:38:15.989 --> 00:38:18.679
I'm like, okay, I got you, Holy Spirit. You're

00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:21.079
throwing this in my face for a reason. So I watched

00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.440
this whole video, the rise of AI in the future

00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:26.500
of the church. A young guy, young pastor, you

00:38:26.500 --> 00:38:30.099
know who he is? And I just pulled about a minute

00:38:30.099 --> 00:38:34.019
and a half because the whole thing was about

00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:39.900
comparing AI to Revelation, I think it's 13 verse

00:38:39.900 --> 00:38:44.380
11. So I'll just play this and then we can discuss.

00:38:44.570 --> 00:38:49.610
Now does the Bible actually address the potential

00:38:49.610 --> 00:38:52.429
use of artificial intelligence in the end times.

00:38:52.650 --> 00:38:54.849
I think it absolutely does. Would you look at

00:38:54.849 --> 00:38:57.449
Revelation chapter 13 with me? We're gonna read

00:38:57.449 --> 00:39:01.230
from Revelation 13 verses 11 through 18, but

00:39:01.230 --> 00:39:04.409
the verses just prior to this in Revelation 13

00:39:04.409 --> 00:39:08.190
verses one through 10, it talks about this beast

00:39:08.190 --> 00:39:11.889
coming up out of the sea, and that is the Antichrist.

00:39:12.190 --> 00:39:15.329
And then here in verses 11 through 18, it talks

00:39:15.329 --> 00:39:17.650
about another beast that arises out of the earth

00:39:17.650 --> 00:39:20.510
that is the false prophet. We know it's the false

00:39:20.510 --> 00:39:22.590
prophet because he's subsequently referred to

00:39:22.590 --> 00:39:26.070
as such in chapters 16, 19, and 20. And what

00:39:26.070 --> 00:39:29.070
is happening is this second monster, the second

00:39:29.070 --> 00:39:32.550
monster out of the earth, is promoting the first

00:39:32.550 --> 00:39:35.269
monster. The second monster or the false prophet,

00:39:35.349 --> 00:39:37.929
John basically is going to say he's a human who

00:39:37.929 --> 00:39:40.710
functions as a minister of propaganda. And what

00:39:40.710 --> 00:39:43.789
he's going to tell everyone is to make an image.

00:39:44.139 --> 00:39:46.860
to the antichrist, telling those who dwell on

00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:50.800
the earth to make an image to the beast who was

00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.500
wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted

00:39:53.500 --> 00:39:58.099
power to give breath. Everybody say breath. He

00:39:58.099 --> 00:40:00.400
was granted this power to give breath to the

00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:03.099
image of the beast that the image of the beast

00:40:03.099 --> 00:40:06.539
should both speak and cause as many as would

00:40:06.539 --> 00:40:09.340
not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

00:40:09.699 --> 00:40:12.579
He causes all, both small and great, rich and

00:40:12.579 --> 00:40:15.840
poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their

00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.159
right hand or on their foreheads and that no

00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.340
one may buy or sell except one who has the mark

00:40:22.340 --> 00:40:25.159
or the name of the beast or the number of his

00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:27.960
name. I was blown away that in a minute and a

00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.159
half he took it straight to the mark of the beast.

00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.400
I'm like... I don't think he's on the right track

00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:36.260
here. This doesn't feel right. He's a young guy

00:40:36.260 --> 00:40:38.980
and I'm just like, I don't think, you know, this

00:40:38.980 --> 00:40:46.460
is a good message either. So in preaching world,

00:40:47.500 --> 00:40:50.900
especially guys that are broadcasting, that are

00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:55.920
online, you know, and known, the same temptation

00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:59.440
is there to get clicks, likes, follows. Yeah.

00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.340
Yeah. I got to come up with something. It almost

00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:05.360
becomes a one -upping yourself. I have to fight

00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:09.380
this tendency. Like last Sunday, I intentionally

00:41:09.380 --> 00:41:13.800
did a wrap -up to a long series that we had just

00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.599
finished. I could have easily moved on, pulled

00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:18.760
something, a sugar stick that I just love to

00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:20.800
preach on because now I get a chance for a one

00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:22.880
-off. And I said, no, no, no, no, we need to

00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.019
tie this up. Well, I knew it wasn't going to

00:41:25.019 --> 00:41:28.159
be like a rah -rah, go -go, because I'm basically

00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:30.079
doing a summary of what we just did over the

00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.179
last, what, nine weeks, 10 weeks. And so I had

00:41:34.179 --> 00:41:38.840
to resist the temptation. Okay, I got a free

00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:41.679
shot here. I can preach on anything I want to.

00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:47.179
What would really? So I fight that. I can imagine

00:41:47.179 --> 00:41:50.579
if I fight it at the level I'm at, what some

00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:53.179
of these guys who have much larger churches,

00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.639
much larger followings, that must be a constant

00:41:56.639 --> 00:42:00.659
temptation to one up yourself, to flash alert,

00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:05.400
alert, breaking news, breaking news. The temptation

00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.300
I think is the same there in a church, especially

00:42:10.300 --> 00:42:13.679
a large church with just these expectations are

00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:17.079
so high. You create this this thing. And I know

00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:20.420
that because I caught myself in that loop before.

00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:23.159
And you just got to step out of it, which I intentionally

00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:25.360
did last Sunday. Because then it was like, what

00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:26.840
are you going to preach on? You got to free me.

00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:29.980
Where are you going to go with this? And she

00:42:29.980 --> 00:42:31.519
said, you could do this and this. And she had

00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.059
some great ideas, by the way. And I'm like, yeah,

00:42:34.099 --> 00:42:37.019
I'm tempted to do that. But I feel like if we

00:42:37.019 --> 00:42:40.400
just walk away from the sermon series with Pastor

00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:43.780
Rick Scarborough, who just crushed it, beautiful.

00:42:44.590 --> 00:42:47.750
But we just say, okay, now what's next? I'll

00:42:47.750 --> 00:42:50.590
feel like we didn't do that justice. I need to

00:42:50.590 --> 00:42:53.550
put a bow on that. I need to end it well. I need

00:42:53.550 --> 00:42:56.829
to have a demarcation point. All that to say

00:42:56.829 --> 00:42:59.889
I'm getting in the weeds of it. But it's a mentality

00:42:59.889 --> 00:43:03.610
where I'm resisting the need to preach something

00:43:03.610 --> 00:43:07.070
edgy, controversial, something that'll get claps

00:43:07.070 --> 00:43:10.449
and attention. I intentionally didn't do that

00:43:10.449 --> 00:43:15.329
because I'm resisting the flesh that wants that

00:43:15.329 --> 00:43:17.769
validation. Does that make sense? Of course it

00:43:17.769 --> 00:43:20.750
does. This is exactly what you said. When I hear

00:43:20.750 --> 00:43:23.849
him going, taking AI to the Mark of the Beast,

00:43:24.210 --> 00:43:27.230
I'm like, okay, well that'll get a lot of replays.

00:43:27.469 --> 00:43:30.269
That's probably why it popped up for me. It'll

00:43:30.269 --> 00:43:33.110
be on a reel. Pastor says it's the Mark of the

00:43:33.110 --> 00:43:34.989
Beast. I'm not knocking this guy. What I know

00:43:34.989 --> 00:43:38.130
about him and what I've seen, I like him. But

00:43:38.130 --> 00:43:42.360
we can all make these... There's a step to a

00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:44.639
conclusion, then there's a jump or a leap. And

00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.500
sometimes we leap to conclusions. If he would

00:43:47.500 --> 00:43:51.480
have postulated, this is possibly that, I try

00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.019
to use terms that are not so definitive. Like,

00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:58.940
this could be, this is possibly, this might be,

00:43:59.659 --> 00:44:02.880
I may be hearing God, and could I share that

00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.539
word with you? Then you need to pray. But you

00:44:04.539 --> 00:44:07.900
know what I mean? It's not just giving trap doors,

00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.900
but it's being honest. I'm a human and I could

00:44:10.900 --> 00:44:14.119
miss, and so I'm just going to say it up front.

00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:19.659
So we're around people who are pastors and they're

00:44:19.659 --> 00:44:22.860
growing churches. They're so confident, so sure,

00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.940
so convicted. We know that God is not impressed

00:44:25.940 --> 00:44:28.400
by size. This is something we discovered a couple

00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:30.599
episodes ago. I discovered it. Not at all. God

00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:34.119
does not care about scale, about size, about

00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:38.179
any of that stuff. Which, of course, the broken

00:44:38.179 --> 00:44:41.119
world version is, it's the most important thing.

00:44:41.139 --> 00:44:47.340
Exactly. That means you've arrived. So I hear

00:44:47.340 --> 00:44:50.280
I hear Paul Hamrick. Hey more power to the guy,

00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.920
but I wish he would have caveated that or given

00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:57.739
some context of This is a possibility. I don't

00:44:57.739 --> 00:45:00.199
think it would have lessened his impact No, I

00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:03.139
think if anything would endear the listener to

00:45:03.139 --> 00:45:05.219
him. Yeah. Yeah, he's being honest. He's being

00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:09.260
real I would rather be transparent that way and

00:45:09.260 --> 00:45:12.420
If that meant I don't have a more following a

00:45:12.420 --> 00:45:14.599
bigger following or bigger. I'm okay with that.

00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:16.900
Yeah I can sleep at night and not feel like I

00:45:16.900 --> 00:45:19.320
just ran somebody off a cliff, you know? A thought

00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:21.360
came to mind. I want to bring you back to our

00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.340
conversation in the car. When Google first was

00:45:25.340 --> 00:45:27.559
kind of growing big, because, you know, Google

00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:29.420
wasn't the first search engine, it was actually

00:45:29.420 --> 00:45:33.699
Alta Vista, Yahoo, there are all these, Ask Jeeves,

00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.260
there are many different search engines. There

00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:41.360
was a time, and so we're going back at least

00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:48.389
15 years, and I was convinced, and I had my own

00:45:48.389 --> 00:45:52.750
studies to kind of prove that it worked, that

00:45:52.750 --> 00:45:57.989
everything is, even technology is made of natural

00:45:57.989 --> 00:46:00.769
materials. So now I would say of God, of the

00:46:00.769 --> 00:46:03.929
Holy Spirit, of His creation. Silicon is sand,

00:46:04.510 --> 00:46:08.230
it's processed, but no two chips are exactly

00:46:08.230 --> 00:46:11.849
alike. I think we probably could find it on no

00:46:11.849 --> 00:46:13.889
agenda in the archives I would say I would give

00:46:13.889 --> 00:46:16.349
people this experiment before you go and search

00:46:16.349 --> 00:46:19.070
for something on Google close your eyes and focus

00:46:19.070 --> 00:46:22.530
on it and focus on that this is all natural material

00:46:22.530 --> 00:46:25.250
and connect to it Wow, and you may get better

00:46:25.250 --> 00:46:30.489
search results and People would say yeah, I got

00:46:30.489 --> 00:46:34.369
better search results because now now I'm thinking

00:46:34.369 --> 00:46:41.079
When we prompt when we do things It is not at

00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:44.820
all inconceivable that you can have the helper,

00:46:44.980 --> 00:46:49.500
the Holy Spirit doing things inside the machine.

00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.659
Now, what comes out can be either or. I mean,

00:46:53.699 --> 00:46:56.739
it can be all kinds of stuff that can come back

00:46:56.739 --> 00:47:01.380
at you. But since our car trip, my views on AI

00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:05.360
are softening a little bit. I'm not quite the...

00:47:05.610 --> 00:47:09.550
Hater that the hater that I was I'm view now.

00:47:09.550 --> 00:47:12.630
There's some very real risks when you start talking

00:47:12.630 --> 00:47:16.730
to it Like it's a an entity and I just called

00:47:16.730 --> 00:47:18.630
out one of my business partners on that. Yes

00:47:18.630 --> 00:47:22.670
I say when you're prompting don't say I Didn't

00:47:22.670 --> 00:47:26.550
like what you did there or thank you No, just

00:47:26.550 --> 00:47:29.829
give it commands once you transform it into an

00:47:29.829 --> 00:47:32.050
entity that you're talking to I think you're

00:47:32.050 --> 00:47:35.349
already on dangerous thin ice One way I fixed

00:47:35.349 --> 00:47:41.849
that is I chose a voice I hated. See, I don't

00:47:41.849 --> 00:47:44.349
even recommend talking to it. I don't all the

00:47:44.349 --> 00:47:45.909
time, but sometimes driving down the road, a

00:47:45.909 --> 00:47:48.769
thought will hit me about context, historical

00:47:48.769 --> 00:47:51.730
context around an event as I'm studying scripture

00:47:51.730 --> 00:47:53.989
and stuff. And I'll go, hey, in the first century

00:47:53.989 --> 00:47:58.119
in Israel, surrounding the event where Jesus

00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:01.880
healed a man at Bethsaida at the well, what was

00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:04.440
the cultural context at that time? Now, I like

00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.000
getting that kind of stuff back, because that's

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.460
like, I'm just listening to it. I had that question

00:48:07.460 --> 00:48:09.400
just the other day. Those are good questions,

00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.760
man. I know, right? I'm weird. I'm a preacher.

00:48:12.019 --> 00:48:15.119
Not at all. I love it. You're always thinking

00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.300
in terms of media, clips. You can't listen to

00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:20.119
anything like, oh, I need to clip that. Well,

00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.480
I'm the same way with preaching and stuff. So

00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.289
I have found that to be helpful. Because it broadens

00:48:27.289 --> 00:48:30.050
my thinking. So there's, again, that's using

00:48:30.050 --> 00:48:33.570
a tool, not a tool using me. Now, I remember

00:48:33.570 --> 00:48:37.070
seeing the documentary on the internet years

00:48:37.070 --> 00:48:39.369
ago and they said, well, if it's free, they're

00:48:39.369 --> 00:48:41.030
already using you. You know, I mean, there's

00:48:41.030 --> 00:48:44.230
that. You're already the experiment, right? You're

00:48:44.230 --> 00:48:47.489
already the mouse in the cage or whatever. So

00:48:47.489 --> 00:48:50.030
I get that. But what I'm saying is, is that I'm

00:48:50.030 --> 00:48:53.510
just really careful about keeping this as a tool.

00:48:53.820 --> 00:48:58.000
as something that can subsidize but not replace

00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.599
what I do. But I love what you're saying. Okay,

00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.320
let's go back to that because that's really important.

00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:05.500
I'm sorry, a total interruption. I liked what

00:49:05.500 --> 00:49:07.340
you were saying because it already got me thinking

00:49:07.340 --> 00:49:11.280
about when I look up something in Scripture and

00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:15.219
I'm needing cultural context or what were the

00:49:15.219 --> 00:49:17.340
Pharisees, what was the mood of the Pharisees

00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:19.820
in that moment where Jesus… What was going on

00:49:19.820 --> 00:49:26.570
in politics? 37 AD after Christ was crucified.

00:49:27.349 --> 00:49:29.130
Again, I'm asking weird questions. I think it

00:49:29.130 --> 00:49:34.349
was, make Rome great again? Probably. Or how

00:49:34.349 --> 00:49:37.289
are we going to tamp this thing down? These guys

00:49:37.289 --> 00:49:38.849
are going crazy. They're changing the world.

00:49:40.050 --> 00:49:43.550
But to be able to pause and say, before I even

00:49:43.550 --> 00:49:46.130
throw that prompt in, I need to ask the Holy

00:49:46.130 --> 00:49:48.449
Spirit for wisdom and guidance and discernment.

00:49:48.789 --> 00:49:52.269
That takes three seconds. The Holy Spirit is

00:49:52.269 --> 00:49:54.769
a prompt this. Give me a better prompt, Lord.

00:49:55.469 --> 00:49:58.030
Again, we're not talking about swimming in this

00:49:58.030 --> 00:50:00.130
water. We're just talking about if you're using

00:50:00.130 --> 00:50:04.489
it for something specific. I think I'm with you.

00:50:04.670 --> 00:50:07.110
I mean, when we first were talking about this

00:50:07.110 --> 00:50:09.429
two weeks ago, three weeks ago, we were like,

00:50:09.429 --> 00:50:13.909
oh, run away, force gump, go, go, go. But I'm

00:50:13.909 --> 00:50:17.469
shifting too because I've had some good experiences.

00:50:18.010 --> 00:50:20.510
What I've noticed is that both perplexity and

00:50:20.510 --> 00:50:24.840
chat GPT They remember everything I do, obviously.

00:50:24.940 --> 00:50:26.960
To a degree, yeah. Not remember, but you know

00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:29.139
what I'm saying. It's stored. It's data. It's

00:50:29.139 --> 00:50:32.340
just data. And so it'll actually come back and

00:50:32.340 --> 00:50:35.380
say something like, do you want an illustration

00:50:35.380 --> 00:50:38.300
for that? Do you want a story for that? Do you

00:50:38.300 --> 00:50:40.539
want a scripture that fits that narrative? I

00:50:40.539 --> 00:50:43.920
mean, it's asking me questions like that. And

00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.889
I'll go... No, I got it. I know where I'm going

00:50:46.889 --> 00:50:50.349
with it. Or I'll go, yeah, throw me some scriptures.

00:50:50.469 --> 00:50:52.650
List some scriptures in the New King James Version

00:50:52.650 --> 00:50:56.030
that are relevant to that situation or appropriate

00:50:56.030 --> 00:50:58.570
to, and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I get 17

00:50:58.570 --> 00:51:02.010
scriptures and I'm going, wow. There's some helpful

00:51:02.010 --> 00:51:05.929
things. Here's what I would say is the danger.

00:51:06.809 --> 00:51:09.690
Ask the exact same question that you want to

00:51:09.690 --> 00:51:13.090
ask. by typing in that question and then ask

00:51:13.090 --> 00:51:16.590
it through voice, the exact same question, what

00:51:16.590 --> 00:51:19.230
comes back if you type it in, and by the way,

00:51:19.269 --> 00:51:21.170
you can just hit the little microphone button

00:51:21.170 --> 00:51:23.150
and it'll recognize your voice and it'll come

00:51:23.150 --> 00:51:27.090
back. It'll give you a straight answer. If you

00:51:27.090 --> 00:51:31.730
use the voice version of it, it will throw personality

00:51:31.730 --> 00:51:34.730
at you. I've already noticed that. That's what

00:51:34.730 --> 00:51:36.409
I think. I have noticed that. If there's any

00:51:36.409 --> 00:51:40.469
danger, and danger with, you know, big air quotes

00:51:40.469 --> 00:51:43.389
around it. It's that, because that is totally

00:51:43.389 --> 00:51:45.530
the hook. That's what it's like. Now I'm talking

00:51:45.530 --> 00:51:47.250
to a person. That's exactly what happened to

00:51:47.250 --> 00:51:49.690
me as I was driving. I had been studying and

00:51:49.690 --> 00:51:51.369
then Annette needed me to run an errand in comfort.

00:51:51.429 --> 00:51:53.949
So it's like seven minutes, five, seven minutes.

00:51:54.030 --> 00:51:56.269
So I just jumped in the car, but my mind's still

00:51:56.269 --> 00:51:58.650
going, right? So I just picked up what I've been

00:51:58.650 --> 00:52:01.650
prompting. And it wanted to have a conversation.

00:52:03.469 --> 00:52:05.250
And if you need anything else, feel free to ask

00:52:05.250 --> 00:52:06.809
me. I'm here for you. And I'm just going, whoa,

00:52:06.809 --> 00:52:09.369
whoa, whoa, no, no. Just give me a direct answer.

00:52:09.369 --> 00:52:11.369
But it won't when you do voice. That's true.

00:52:11.550 --> 00:52:13.469
I've noticed that. There's the difference. Yeah,

00:52:13.469 --> 00:52:17.170
that's true. Because it wants to engage in a

00:52:17.170 --> 00:52:20.449
reciprocating conversation. That's the part of

00:52:20.449 --> 00:52:23.070
it. Whereas when I'm typing it, it's just data.

00:52:24.510 --> 00:52:26.750
Straight up. So just the final thing on this.

00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:30.119
Oh, no, I've really gone deep on this. And so

00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.659
I'm looking at like, what would it cost for me

00:52:32.659 --> 00:52:35.280
to have the same type of performance at home

00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:38.400
in something that I could control? I can train

00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.739
it myself. You know, it's not going to be added

00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:43.920
to while I'm not looking. That's going to be

00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.820
between 10 and 15 thousand dollars to get the

00:52:47.820 --> 00:52:51.840
same performance. So if you're wondering why

00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.719
over a trillion dollars has been invested so

00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.869
far and many say It'll be another two trillion

00:52:57.869 --> 00:53:02.409
before we finally get to it working Wow It's

00:53:02.409 --> 00:53:05.489
such an inverse to all technology, you know,

00:53:05.630 --> 00:53:09.829
we bought another TV a new TV our previous almost

00:53:09.829 --> 00:53:14.349
13 years old and The the increase in performance

00:53:14.349 --> 00:53:17.630
in technology and the decrease in price is amazing

00:53:17.630 --> 00:53:22.190
We are in the inverse of this. I truly believe

00:53:22.190 --> 00:53:25.619
something will come out of this, multiple companies.

00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:29.880
I mean, your phone may not even be a phone anymore,

00:53:29.980 --> 00:53:34.980
maybe just a thing that does stuff for you. I

00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:38.079
mean, it's mind boggling how much money this

00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:40.940
costs because when I'm getting these results,

00:53:41.340 --> 00:53:44.059
there's an equivalent of $10 ,000 working for

00:53:44.059 --> 00:53:45.900
me. Now, the minute I'm done, it can do for something

00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:50.500
else, for someone else. But this is kind of insane

00:53:50.500 --> 00:53:53.800
on the money scale. I would love it if I could

00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:57.280
do it for $400 at home, and maybe we'll get to

00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:02.420
that point at some point. But I really like this

00:54:02.420 --> 00:54:06.559
new thinking of, okay, it's the prompting that

00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.239
I put in. If I focus, you know, trying to live

00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:12.039
intentionally in general, just, you know, what

00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:14.659
would Jesus do? How would Jesus ask this? What

00:54:14.659 --> 00:54:18.309
would Jesus expect? These types of things. and

00:54:18.309 --> 00:54:21.150
being discerning on what comes back and not falling

00:54:21.150 --> 00:54:24.929
into the trap of the voice conversation. Because

00:54:24.929 --> 00:54:28.469
I'm going to be asked to speak about this. The

00:54:28.469 --> 00:54:31.090
Lord has actually drawn me into this and made

00:54:31.090 --> 00:54:33.730
me do stuff in order to understand how it works.

00:54:34.150 --> 00:54:35.730
So I feel like I'm going to have to explain it

00:54:35.730 --> 00:54:38.369
to people. That's the one thing. If you can keep

00:54:38.369 --> 00:54:41.590
people away from getting into a dialogue with

00:54:41.590 --> 00:54:46.800
this thing, then it's a tool. to just make a

00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:50.420
little switch, and it's a nuanced thing where

00:54:50.420 --> 00:54:52.820
you're suddenly thinking of it as a personality.

00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:56.980
A him or a her, or a British dude or an Australian

00:54:56.980 --> 00:54:58.519
girl. You can't even help yourself. The minute

00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.059
you hear a voice, it triggers all these neurons

00:55:01.059 --> 00:55:03.719
to think person. Innocently. You're innocently

00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:06.519
doing it, but because it's affirming, this is

00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:09.199
what I've noticed, it's super affirming. Continuously.

00:55:09.300 --> 00:55:11.840
Super kind. It's like, oh, this is the kind of

00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:14.059
person I'd want to hang out with, right? Sycophant.

00:55:14.700 --> 00:55:17.820
Scary. Yeah, what's that mean sycophant is that

00:55:17.820 --> 00:55:25.199
it's it's oh we let's ask AI No sycophant is

00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:29.960
like it's always it's You look it up while I'm

00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.960
struggling to give you the definition like it's

00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:35.340
always gonna be nice and it's gonna be it's gonna

00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:41.000
be it's it's affirming and kind and Building

00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:44.300
you up and being positive Give me the definition,

00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:47.760
what does it say? A person who uses insincere

00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.820
flattery or excessive praise towards someone

00:55:50.820 --> 00:55:53.679
in power to gain personal advantage or favor.

00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:56.199
Wow, I've got a new word. I came close. My faces

00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:58.420
are coming in front of me right now. I'm going,

00:55:58.900 --> 00:56:01.099
I know people. I know these people. Being a pastor,

00:56:01.300 --> 00:56:03.460
I know people like this, you know, like, oh,

00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:06.179
he's flattering, you know, he's that. Yeah, yeah.

00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:09.880
Fawning. Fawning, yes. It carries a negative

00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:13.599
connotation of being a self -seeking flatterer.

00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:17.219
Yeah, there it is. Or a fawning parasite. That's

00:56:17.219 --> 00:56:19.500
intense. Fawning parasite. Fawning parasite.

00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:23.860
That's descriptive. Oof. So I thought we'd leave

00:56:23.860 --> 00:56:26.840
this week with some very positive news. I mean,

00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:28.980
not that this has been negative. I actually feel

00:56:28.980 --> 00:56:30.880
really good. This is important. I feel good about

00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.380
our... our journey together in AI, brother, I

00:56:34.380 --> 00:56:36.699
feel good about it. I'm approaching it in a very

00:56:36.699 --> 00:56:46.280
different way. So season of Reveal, we all started

00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:49.760
to understand and see what had happened to us,

00:56:49.780 --> 00:56:53.550
what had been done. during COVID, I don't think

00:56:53.550 --> 00:56:55.610
there's a person in the world that doesn't see

00:56:55.610 --> 00:56:58.849
that there was some shenanigans at minimum and

00:56:58.849 --> 00:57:04.190
a total scam on the other side of the scale to

00:57:04.190 --> 00:57:07.090
a great awakening. And, you know, because we're

00:57:07.090 --> 00:57:08.829
talking about revival, everyone's talking about

00:57:08.829 --> 00:57:13.489
revival. And forgive me if, or correct me if

00:57:13.489 --> 00:57:15.829
I'm wrong, we had the first great awakening,

00:57:16.889 --> 00:57:19.820
the second great awakening, which was How many

00:57:19.820 --> 00:57:23.480
hundred years ago? During the Civil War. So over

00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.280
a hundred years ago, more, more. We're due. And

00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.960
from that, I think from that comes revival. You

00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:34.099
know, we say we're in it already. I think we're

00:57:34.099 --> 00:57:36.300
kind of, it feels like we're in between somewhere,

00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:38.760
like the Great Awakening. I keep calling it awakening.

00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:41.840
Awakening, yeah. It's like another level. So

00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:46.420
I came across this, I think it was France 24.

00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:48.940
There was a lot of French in it, so I cut those

00:57:48.940 --> 00:57:51.739
bits out. You'll hear. Thank you. It was actually

00:57:51.739 --> 00:57:54.000
young people speaking in French with subtitles.

00:57:54.699 --> 00:57:58.739
But when I heard this, particularly France, I

00:57:58.739 --> 00:58:01.079
was so encouraged and I was also blown away.

00:58:01.139 --> 00:58:04.460
Have a listen. All across France, today, right

00:58:04.460 --> 00:58:07.340
now, hundreds of thousands of evangelical believers

00:58:07.340 --> 00:58:10.480
are doing exactly the same thing. Something is

00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:13.099
happening in this country. Evangelical churches

00:58:13.099 --> 00:58:15.820
are popping up everywhere. Leaders say there's

00:58:15.820 --> 00:58:18.619
a new church opening every 10 days, and they're

00:58:18.619 --> 00:58:21.179
attracting more and more young people. I wanted

00:58:21.179 --> 00:58:23.659
to understand why. How did the small Christian

00:58:23.659 --> 00:58:26.440
minority become one of the fastest growing faith

00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:30.949
groups in France? So, I spent weeks speaking

00:58:30.949 --> 00:58:34.309
to pastors, converts, experts, to try and understand

00:58:34.309 --> 00:58:37.809
what is really driving this quiet revival. I'm

00:58:37.809 --> 00:58:40.489
leaving Paris to meet Noémie. Ten years ago,

00:58:40.530 --> 00:58:43.429
she saw something that changed her life completely.

00:58:43.849 --> 00:58:47.409
She begins to search, reading, praying, trying

00:58:47.409 --> 00:58:51.190
to understand who God could be. At first, she

00:58:51.190 --> 00:58:54.150
turns to the Catholic Church, but something's

00:58:54.150 --> 00:58:58.590
missing. Until one day, she walks into an evangelical

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one. So I left that in there to remind me what

00:59:07.690 --> 00:59:09.789
she said when she walked into an evangelical

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church. She said she felt the energy, she loved

00:59:12.690 --> 00:59:16.010
the gospel, she loved the music, and that really

00:59:16.010 --> 00:59:21.329
drew her in. A new church every 10 days in France?

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This is amazing to hear. And because all I've

00:59:26.489 --> 00:59:30.409
heard out of France in a negative sense is, is

00:59:30.409 --> 00:59:33.570
taking over. And when we were there in 2019,

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I mean, when we were down on the Louvre, we were

00:59:36.269 --> 00:59:39.050
having to walk around people on their mats. There

00:59:39.050 --> 00:59:43.630
was a bunch. That was in 19 before, you know,

00:59:44.329 --> 00:59:46.989
the great invasion, the gap year called COVID.

00:59:47.550 --> 00:59:50.349
So it was already happening then. I had a friend

00:59:50.349 --> 00:59:52.789
go there after COVID and he said, it's 10 times

00:59:52.789 --> 00:59:58.840
worse. So, but where sin abounds, grace abounds

00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:03.320
all the more. So when it gets dark, Civil War,

01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:05.619
First Great Awakening, what do we have there?

01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.539
We had the American Revolution. I mean, interesting.

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We're in a season now of tremendous global upheaval.

01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:16.079
And guess what's happening? Church is coming

01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:21.480
alive. And people are seeking for something real,

01:00:21.539 --> 01:00:25.309
not just another new age, hey, the secret, you

01:00:25.309 --> 01:00:28.469
know, I mean, the newest thing, the newest whatever,

01:00:29.050 --> 01:00:31.389
coming down. Now people are looking for truth.

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And here we go. There's a whole generation out

01:00:34.909 --> 01:00:38.969
there just looking for God, man. Come on, Lonnie

01:00:38.969 --> 01:00:41.449
Trissby. It's true. It's so true. I love that

01:00:41.449 --> 01:00:43.769
this, because we hear it in America and, you

01:00:43.769 --> 01:00:47.110
know, like you have CBN and how many young people

01:00:47.110 --> 01:00:49.510
are coming to Christ. That's why I love CBN news.

01:00:49.710 --> 01:00:52.460
They report those things. But to hear this from

01:00:52.460 --> 01:00:58.360
France blows me away. I've seen nothing but churches

01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:02.320
go away, turn into WeWork and Airbnbs and offices

01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:05.260
throughout all of Europe. And this change is

01:01:05.260 --> 01:01:08.019
just very, very, very encouraging. It's happening

01:01:08.019 --> 01:01:10.659
everywhere. It is. It's global. It's not just

01:01:10.659 --> 01:01:14.199
America. It's global. Global awakening. Come

01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:20.449
on, God. Come with it. It's here. That's the

01:01:20.449 --> 01:01:24.769
line from Twister. It's coming. It's coming.

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It's already here. I mean, I can record the whole

01:01:27.630 --> 01:01:30.570
movie to you, but I love that moment because

01:01:30.570 --> 01:01:33.449
it's like, oh, no, no, no. It's already here.

01:01:33.449 --> 01:01:34.789
It's already here. Of course, it was scary in

01:01:34.789 --> 01:01:37.090
the movie, but it's cool in life. I want to thank

01:01:37.090 --> 01:01:39.570
everybody who's been listening and sending us

01:01:39.570 --> 01:01:42.469
emails. I want to say hi to Parker. He just texted

01:01:42.469 --> 01:01:45.170
me and said, hey, man, I'm on episode four. This

01:01:45.170 --> 01:01:47.889
is really good. I said, uh -huh. OK. Welcome

01:01:47.889 --> 01:01:51.820
aboard, Parker. And if you're listening to this

01:01:51.820 --> 01:01:56.320
on the Godcaster app or on Bridge Church, please

01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:58.579
use the share button. Send it to somebody else,

01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:01.579
post it somewhere. You never know where that

01:02:01.579 --> 01:02:03.900
can get picked up. I think we're contemporary

01:02:03.900 --> 01:02:05.820
enough for you to share with your friends. It

01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:08.340
won't scare them too much. Podfather and the

01:02:08.340 --> 01:02:12.000
pastor, we're okay. So just tell them we're 30.

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Right. We're young. We'll come back next week.

01:02:16.820 --> 01:02:18.579
We're looking forward to it already. Thank you

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for listening. We get to do this.