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Father, we're before you and Lord, Adam and I

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are just real guys and we sometimes come to your

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throne tired like the warrior's a child sometimes.

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And so today we come before you bringing everything

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we are, what we have and even what we don't have

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to you to lay at your feet. Father, we pray that

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these conversations will be meaningful. not only

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for us, but for those who hear, those who listen.

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Father, our heart is to help people on this journey

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of faith, navigate the complexities of culture

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and the world. It feels like sometimes things

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are aligned against us and against our faith

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in this world, and yet, Jesus, you said it was

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going to be that way. Even as John Eldridge wrote

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in one of his books, we were born into a world

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at war. So Lord, we thank you that we get to

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do this. And so today we commit our hearts, our

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lives, everything we are for your glory in Jesus

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name. Amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, October 29th,

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2025. We get to do this. This is number eight.

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We get to do this. Yo brother, how you doing?

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Sleepy this morning. Really? I woke up at like

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3 o 'clock. Oh no, this is no good. I got a god

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tap. Oh, that is? Well, between 3 and 5 a .m.

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That's his time, right? Well, it came in the

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form of I need to go to the bathroom. You know,

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typical dude stuff when you're my age. This is

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God speaking, you need to pee. Your bladder's

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expanding. Your bladder's exploding. So I get

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up and, you know, you don't take it as a gut.

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It's like, okay, you go do what you do. And then

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you come back to bed and then you're like, wide

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awake. And that does not happen to me often.

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So when it happens, I've learned to say, okay,

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what's up, Lord? And so it just launched me into

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a probably 45 minute time of prayer and fellowship

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with Him. Wow. All over the map. I'm sort of

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a little in and out. I'm praying and then I was

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like, wait, what was I saying? I was running

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down some track. That's very scriptural, by the

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way. David talks about talking to God in the

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night watches. I think one of the reasons why

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the Lord taps us in the middle of the night sometimes

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is because it's when we're not fully distracted

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by what we're doing in the moment. I mean, you're

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just laying there, right? You're listening to

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Mr. Chevy, my dog, snore, you know? And that's

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it. I mean, there's nothing else going on. Got

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the whir of the sound machine, you know? And

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that's it. And so I think we're more open to

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hear his voice. And probably our prayers are

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different at that time. Oh, I totally agree.

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It's more authentic. You know, again, we're not

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on the run. There's no distractions. It's dark.

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It's quiet. Absolutely. Yeah. No rush. You know,

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it's good. You wrote a daily grind this morning,

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which was about intentionality. I think you've

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been on this for a couple of days. And that was

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my first thing. I'm like, I want to ask Pastor

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Jimmy about this. I want to ask about this intentionality.

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The way I took it is doing everything intentionally

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for God and thinking about that continuously,

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which in today's world is one of the hardest

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things you can imagine to do because of all the

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distractions and noise and everything. So I just

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wanted to open it up to you and just hear what

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you had to say, because I think it's important

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to share this. I appreciate that. I found this

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great scripture in Ephesians 5 .17 in the New

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Living Translation, which kind of breaks it down

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to a little more casual conversation. It says,

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don't act thoughtlessly, but understand what

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the Lord wants you to do. So I've re -engaged

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Sabbath on Mondays. It's not just a day to play.

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It's really a day to rest my soul. The word restoration,

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to restore, the root of that is rest. You restore

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and you experience restoration through rest.

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The Lord commands a Sabbath. There are people

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who interpret that differently. Well, we're in

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New Testament times. Do a little here, do a little

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there. That's what I used to do. I did that.

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Truly, it always got put on the back burner.

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It always got usurped by something else more

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important than spending time with God and resting.

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And I let it go for a season because church is

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growing and kind of all hands on deck. So I quite

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literally, and I'm just gonna be very transparent.

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I felt guilty for being at home, resting in the

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Lord, reading a book, writing in my journal,

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playing some music, my worship time. While the

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team was up here working and I just I let that

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get over on me and truly I believe it was the

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enemy and intrusive thought That began to get

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in my head that oh man, you're not pulling your

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weight, you know There's teams up there working

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and you're at home. You know that I think is

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something Very of the modern age and very of

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the competitive age and ever since we started

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working from home I think, you know, rest has

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really left us in so many different ways. Having

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started and run companies small to big, man,

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I know that feeling. And especially when your

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employees are working, you feel like, ah, am

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I being even a good leader in not being there

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every single minute of the day when they're there?

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We know the enemy is an opportunist. He leverages.

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Pain, trauma, he leverages moments. He leverages

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even the tiniest thing. So if you feel a little

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bit of that guilt, like, man, here I am, enjoying

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just being with the Lord and being restored.

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Never mind that I did two meetups, two shows,

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two sermons, two services back to back, got up

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there, played on the worship team and preached.

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I mean, it's a lot. It's a full day's work in

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about eight and a half, nine hours. So you come

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home totally toasted. But it's not just physical

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work. It's emotional and spiritual. There is

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spiritual warfare. And unless you've really experienced

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that, it's hard to explain to people the toll

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that takes on your soul. But any pastor that

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ever takes a moment to listen to what we're doing

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would go, totally get you, brother. Totally understand.

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Yes, I know exactly what that is. So I don't

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actually try to talk about that a lot because

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I understand there's not a category for that

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unless you've walked in the shoes. Well, pastors

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and podcasters, it's very similar, brother. It's

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very similar. We do the same thing. We do meetups,

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we do shows, we cue the mic, we record. A lot

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of emails, a lot of people talking to you, a

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lot of people who want information or have advice.

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A lot of advice. Yeah, a better way to do it.

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Build a better mousetrap. So anyway, I reinstituted,

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just re -engaged. Sabbath and I actually repented

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to the Lord. I said, I'm so sorry. I was disobedient.

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I thought I was doing it for noble reasons, but

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what I realized is I started getting super tired.

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I began to just wind, run down and we were traveling

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a lot. We had a lot of things going on. We've

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dialed all that back and I just repented. I said,

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Lord, I'm so sorry. You've given this to me as

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a gift and I pushed it back. I can't imagine

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how that feels. I mean, I can't imagine if I

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was to do something for somebody that was for

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their good, a win for them, and they just push

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it back to me and say, no, I'm too busy. So how

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do we even manage that? Because weekends, we've

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got activities with the kids. I don't anymore,

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but we've got all kinds of stuff. And should

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it be, from what I understand, how Charlie Kirk

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literally put his phone away, I've not been successful

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at that. Tina and I haven't even really discussed

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it, probably because our wives don't listen to

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the podcast. Otherwise, it would have come up.

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There's an Easter egg. We're dropping them all

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the time, which is not a slight. It's very normal.

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How do we do that and what should it constitute?

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Should you just be in the Word all day? Should

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you just be thinking, meditating? Can you do

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things that Bring you joy You know, how do you

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see that for? And again is I think it's very

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difficult for people it is at this time aside

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it is but is it really Well, if it really that

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difficult if you look at what we're spending

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on time There you go. Yeah, the truth is and

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this is this just get to the truth and we can

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reverse near that back to Just in compassion.

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Yeah. So the truth is is that we all do what

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we want to do we can find time and prioritize

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time for anything we want to do. Maybe I'm just

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talking about myself, but anything that's important

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to me, I'll figure out a way to do it. Priority.

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It's about prioritization of time. And so, if

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you believe God's Word and believe He's called

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us to this and believe that it's a gift for us,

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then you have to say, I'm going to prioritize

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this. And when I didn't, it didn't go well for

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me. I found myself fatigued, exhausted, tired,

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living for a day that didn't come, a day of rest.

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Funerals popped up in the middle on days I thought

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I had margined. It was gone. Emergencies, crises.

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I was on the phone last night with a crisis and

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I thought I had a nice evening and it turned

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into having to deal with some really serious

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heavy stuff. And that's just the life that we

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live. And it's not just a pastor's life, it's

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everybody's life. We all have very little margin

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in our lives. So back to my statement about truth,

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we all do what we really want to do and what

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we believe is worthwhile. We'll push everything

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away for it. So really it comes down to, do we

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believe God has given this to us as a gift? And

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if we do, then what are we gonna do to prioritize

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that? And the interesting thing is he doesn't

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give it to us for himself. He gives it to us

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for us. And I think that's hard for us to accept

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sometimes. We're all about, as leaders especially,

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or whether you're a dad or a mom, you're leading

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your home. You may be a boss, you're leading

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in a workplace, whatever. We lead at different

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levels. But all of us, feel the weight and responsibility

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of leadership, so much so that that will prioritize

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everybody else's well -being over ours. So then

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we do something for us, we feel guilty, or we

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feel like we've run off into the other bar ditch

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where it's all about us. And that's the thing

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is you've got to realize God gave us something.

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It's a gift from Him. The best thing I can do

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for Him is bless Him by receiving that gift.

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When you do something for somebody and they're

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just like, yeah, whatever, it's just kind of

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like, whoa, okay. I really did that for you.

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I did it. It would have been nice to just some

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acknowledgement there. By the way, thanks for

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the probes, the amazing gift for Pastor Appreciation

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Month. I got to highlight this for a moment.

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I knew you would. The meter? The meter. The meter

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duo pro. Brother. And I'll tell you, it's amazing.

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I was gifted this by a friend. Yeah. Right away

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I'm like, oh man, oh man, this is too good. And

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Tina's like, you got to give that to Pastor Jimmy

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for his birthday. When's his birthday? January?

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No, that's not going to work. He's going to see

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him. This is no good. So I was looking for an

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excuse. I'm like, I don't need an excuse to give

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my friend something, but it is Pastor Appreciation

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Month. So let me say it like this. So you gave

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that gift to me. I received it and I got excited

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about it. Oh my gosh, this is making. This is

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such a great analogy. I go home and pack it.

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You know, I read the very bad instructions, by

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the way. Not clear. No, it's not clear. I mean,

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it's a great product. It took me a while to figure

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out you had to have the block of wood next to

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the probes. Because you had mentioned that to

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me. I did that. That was my trick. Yeah. You

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got a Bluetooth, you got to get them on Wi -Fi.

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I mean, there's some little steps, but it was

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fun because I was excited about it, right? So

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something you're excited about, you put energy

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into, right? You prioritize it. Wow. It was a

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great one. Hey, you need to get that. thing fired

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up because we were getting ready to cook some

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steaks at K &C. And so all that to say is that

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because it meant something to me and it was something

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that I saw value in, man, I tore that box open.

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I'm getting it all ready. I'm reading the bad

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instructions, you know, because it's going, okay,

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what's going on? But it was actually easy to

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figure out and man was able to get it fired up.

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And then I enjoyed the benefit of the gift. But

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here's the deal. I didn't want to just enjoy

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it. I wanted you to enjoy the benefit of you

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knowing how blessed I was to get it. So what

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do I do? I screenshot the settings and send them

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over to you. Then you screenshot yours and send

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them back. All that to say there was this cool

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exchange of blessing. You were blessed to give

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it to me. I was blessed to receive it. And then

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I wanted to bless you back by saying, this is

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amazing. So that's the value of the gift. Okay,

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hold on right there because of course I got a

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lot of joy out of that. I'm not sure, I'm trying

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to feel this now, I'm not sure if I always get

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that same joyous feeling from my Sabbath and

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the gift that God has given me and back and forth.

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It's different. I kind of want it to be like

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that though. I get it. You know what I mean?

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Here's why it's different is because we have

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a very real enemy, and it's the devil, Satan,

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Lucifer, whatever. I talked about this on Sunday

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in the message. But we have a very real enemy

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who wants to undermine anything that we're doing

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in terms of our relationship with God. So where

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we're finding joy in some gift he's giving us,

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we get email bombs, some stupid email of somebody

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who's angry or critical or mad, and all of a

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sudden you make the mistake, Good. Oh, I got

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it. Okay. I got outlook. I've got several notifications

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I'll just check these real quick and then you

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go why did I get that? Yeah, because what does

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it do it steals your attention Wow, so maybe

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the intentionality has to first come from Realizing

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that the enemy is trying to thwart you continuously

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throughout Your Sabbath time with God bingo.

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Oh, that's good case in point. So Sabbath technically

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If you're going to do it in Jewish style, you

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start it at Friday. You have the evening before.

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And so I do mine on Monday because that just

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for work schedule, that works the best and I'm

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the most tired after Sunday. So that works good

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for me. So, so technically if I would have been

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thinking and been more thoughtful and intentional,

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it would start Sunday night, Sunday evening while

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we're watching NCIS, you know, episode 20, whatever.

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Season 21. No, we're in 22 now. So we're about

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to catch up. So anyway, we're, you know, doing

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our thing. Just, just kind of, you know, brain,

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you know, just resting, resting, enjoying it

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and enjoying the evening. I noticed a couple

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of pop -ups on my phone that's sitting over there.

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It lights up. Big mistake. Should have had it

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laying like this, but I didn't add it. And I

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saw, I said, Oh, got a couple. Oh, I got a text

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from a friend. I look it up and it's, it's not

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good. It's not terrible, but it's just like,

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it's a little bit of drama. And I'm just like,

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why did I look at that? Here I am starting into

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my, and sure enough, I knew it was the enemy.

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I knew it in the moment. It's not that friend.

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It's not that person who needed some attention

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or needed, you know, some stuff, needed something.

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It's not that it's the enemy leveraging the timing

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of that. Cause I mean, we need to deal with stuff.

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I mean, things happen. You can't just avoid,

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you know, life drama. It's, it's like, I told

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you this morning, it's job security for me. I

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mean, come on, this is why I have a job, right?

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Cause we have, cause of life drama. It was one

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of the funniest texts. It is what it is. You

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know, these, you boil some of this stuff down.

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You go, man, let's just be real. So I can laugh

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about it and it helps me deal with it too. But

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I didn't have to look at it on Sunday night when

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we're just resting, we're tired. We've had a

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great week, long weekend. This immediacy of life

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is, of course, when all of this was written and

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when Jesus walked the earth, guess what they

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didn't have? internet, cell phones, you know,

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there was a lot of time. But there was a very

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real devil who was doing the same stuff. Of course,

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of course. Just not with the phone. But it would

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be so much more obvious, like you're sitting

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out there in the middle of the night in the,

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you know, tending to your sheep and then, you

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know, a lion comes along like, okay, you know,

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this is obvious, whereas every... every notification

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can be a line for you that's coming to get you.

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Or it can be a positive. It could be a very life

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-giving, wonderful thing. That's the trickery

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of it. Yes. Is for the one bad thing you get,

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you get 20 good things. So you just sort of like

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a fish, you know, with the bait dangling in front

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of you, you take it. And there was a great title

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to a book called The Bait of Satan. Yes. By John

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Bevere. It's that it's just you took the bait

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when nine times out of ten. It's a positive Okay,

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so some are summarizing right now in the middle

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of this. Yeah, the problem is the phone This

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is our biggest problem. I mean seriously, I know

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and is it really a phone? No, it's a computer.

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I mean this thing is like Unbelievable. It's

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it's the enemy's portal into your head is what

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it is and And of course, the thing that is in

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our minds all the time is, well, what if it's

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my kids? What if it's this? What if it's that?

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Which is also the enemy working, of course. I'm

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just repeating what I'm thinking. I just got

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to trust God that everything's going to be okay,

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that He's got it and His will is His will. Nothing

00:19:15.589 --> 00:19:18.309
I can really change anyway. And this kind of

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goes back, I remember before phones, my mom would

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always say, no news is good news. So you don't

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care if you don't hear, no news is good news.

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And maybe that's true. There's some truth to

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that. Yeah, but we just didn't have that. Man,

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it's just making me, I have not been good at

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keeping my phone away. Well, here's why I'm glad

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you brought this up. Because I want to always

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be open and honest when we're doing podcasting.

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I want people to know, man, I'm dealing with

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stuff too. I mean, sometimes people look at pastors

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or they'll look at you with your life and your

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background and think, man, everything's great.

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This guy's got it all together. They're podcasting,

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they're moving and shaking in the world. But

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at the end of the day, you know, We just got

00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:07.920
stuff like everybody else. You know, we put our

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pants on like everybody else, one leg at a time,

00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:13.480
right? Except then we make hit records more cowbell.

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Sorry, couldn't help myself. Exactly. So I like

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that we talk about things that are hard too and

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things that are real because those intrusive

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things, it starts me down a line where I get

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into a mind war. Because then I start thinking,

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man, it's bad. And then it just morphs into,

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it's horrible. And then it's catastrophic. And

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then you get to the actual situation, which I

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did, and it was no big deal. And it was like,

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I let that, and I had to fight it all Monday

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long. And here's the bad thing. I'm self -aware

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enough to know it's happening. And it's almost

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worse, because it's like, why can't I push this

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over? And I did. I had a wonderful day. Actually,

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I told the debt, this is one of my better Sabbaths

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I've ever had. So in that sense, it was good.

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But then just when I was in a really good place,

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I just get this intrusive, yeah, but you need

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to take care of this thing. I'm pushing it off

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to the next day. When you're taking a Sabbath

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day, can you play guitar? Is that okay? Can I

00:21:29.859 --> 00:21:32.220
code something on the Godcaster that I just got

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an idea? Because I always feel that's one of

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the most fun activities I have. Like, oh, I'm

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going to make this thing work or that thing work.

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I don't consider it to be work. Right. Exactly.

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And that is the thing is when we went to the

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Sunscape retreat center out in Woodland Park,

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Colorado, I've been, we've been twice. We did

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it once and we did it one time. Then we did it

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11 years later as kind of a reboot. And they

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teach you about Sabbath. They teach you about

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being quiet. They teach you about being still

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and resting and restorative. So it's all being

00:22:05.859 --> 00:22:09.039
contemplative. It's all very good. It was life

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-saving for us. And one of the things they, they

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turned us onto a great book by Mark Buchanan.

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I can't remember maybe God's Chosen Rest or something

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like that or something like that. I could get

00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:23.019
the title because it's worth it. And it's about

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how to take a Sabbath. He's a busy pastor and

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he writes on these things. Great book. And so

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one of the things he said is do things that give

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you joy. Do things that bring you joy that maybe

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you wouldn't do on a regular work day because

00:22:39.819 --> 00:22:42.500
you're thinking, no, that's a luxury or that's

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I'm being I'm being extravagant, or I'm being,

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there's another word for it I was looking for,

00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:54.539
but anyway, I'm being indulgent. That's the word

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I was looking for. I'm being indulgent because

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this is just frivolous and fun. So when I pick

00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:02.619
up one of my guitars, one of my nine guitars

00:23:02.619 --> 00:23:07.480
hanging in my room at home, and I plug in the

00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:10.440
amp and I turn it up and I put on some backing

00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:13.650
tracks that are like just, Some ACGC pastor?

00:23:13.710 --> 00:23:18.109
No, not really, but I used to do that. More,

00:23:18.309 --> 00:23:20.490
it's just this music, this backing tracks designed

00:23:20.490 --> 00:23:25.190
for this jam tracks. And I may play for an hour

00:23:25.190 --> 00:23:27.849
or two straight and not even blink. Right. And

00:23:27.849 --> 00:23:29.670
I look up and go, whoa, two hours have passed.

00:23:29.730 --> 00:23:32.470
I've been playing and playing and playing. That

00:23:32.470 --> 00:23:35.569
brings me joy. It's cathartic. It's therapeutic

00:23:35.569 --> 00:23:39.690
for me. It restores my soul. And I always think

00:23:39.690 --> 00:23:43.119
of that line out of the 23rd Psalm. He restores

00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:47.059
my soul. And to me, Sabbath is about the restoration

00:23:47.059 --> 00:23:51.440
of your soul. So you find those things. And here's

00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:54.079
the beauty of it, to use a well -known phrase,

00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:57.460
no agenda. You really lean into the day with

00:23:57.460 --> 00:24:00.519
no agenda. And sometimes I know it'll go, so

00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:02.099
what are you going to do today on your Sabbath?

00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.599
I don't know yet. I haven't thought about it.

00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:09.099
I'm trying not to think about it. The thing I'm

00:24:09.099 --> 00:24:11.480
going to do the most is stay off my screens.

00:24:12.180 --> 00:24:14.299
I'm going to put down my screens and pick up

00:24:14.299 --> 00:24:17.900
my Bible. I'm going to go scripture before screens.

00:24:18.460 --> 00:24:21.180
And boy, I've been leaning into that. It's been

00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:25.220
life -giving. So for people who've maybe never

00:24:25.220 --> 00:24:27.779
even tried to take a Sabbath or whatever, first

00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:30.819
of all, the trick, the hardest part is carving

00:24:30.819 --> 00:24:33.940
out the time. Let's be real. Everybody's busy.

00:24:34.339 --> 00:24:37.099
Everybody has rhythms and routines that are established.

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Some of it just by necessity. You work five days

00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:43.980
a week, eight, nine hours a day. When do you

00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:46.819
have a time to even do this? And that's where

00:24:46.819 --> 00:24:50.299
you got to get creative. And I think that's where

00:24:50.299 --> 00:24:54.099
Sabbath moments are possible, where you just

00:24:54.099 --> 00:24:57.279
carve out, all right, I've got an hour and a

00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:00.559
half right here. Sabbath moments. I like that.

00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.119
Sabbath moments. That's a good one. You have

00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:06.660
to, especially if your job, your situation doesn't

00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:09.799
allow for a full day that you can literally take

00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:13.180
away. And some people are hardcore on this stuff.

00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:14.980
Like, oh no, you got to do it anyway. You got

00:25:14.980 --> 00:25:17.099
to figure it. And I'm like, yeah, I think we're

00:25:17.099 --> 00:25:24.019
being too legalistic sometimes. So before I learned

00:25:24.019 --> 00:25:27.359
and actually sat down with my staff and told

00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:29.440
my board of directors, I would really like to

00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:33.500
take off a day of the week to have Sabbath. I

00:25:33.500 --> 00:25:36.829
need that restoration. Nobody batted an eye.

00:25:36.849 --> 00:25:38.410
They're like, yeah, you should be doing that.

00:25:38.710 --> 00:25:42.349
I'm, oh, okay. Felt guilty for nothing. So I

00:25:42.349 --> 00:25:45.490
get that luxury, but that's part of my part and

00:25:45.490 --> 00:25:48.329
parcel with being a pastor. And there's an expectation

00:25:48.329 --> 00:25:52.670
there. But for folks that don't have my job,

00:25:53.210 --> 00:25:55.509
they've got to find it. And it may be finding

00:25:55.509 --> 00:25:58.269
it in blocks of time and moments, but you've

00:25:58.269 --> 00:26:01.519
got to build it in on purpose. If you keep a

00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:03.900
schedule, which most people do. Maybe that's

00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:06.079
the way to do it. Like set a block of time and

00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.519
I'm going to do Sabbath. Put it on your schedule.

00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.319
Just like I would do a call or clean the grill,

00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:15.619
which I think could be part of my Sabbath. Because

00:26:15.619 --> 00:26:17.279
it does bring me joy. This is what I've gone

00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:20.730
back to. He picks up his Bible, ladies and gentlemen.

00:26:20.829 --> 00:26:23.369
Oh, his agenda. There you go. There it is. There

00:26:23.369 --> 00:26:25.309
it is. I've gone back to this because... And

00:26:25.309 --> 00:26:27.230
just put it in there. Now, it's going to be on

00:26:27.230 --> 00:26:29.170
there because my wife's going to make sure it's

00:26:29.170 --> 00:26:31.869
in there electronically so that it's beeping

00:26:31.869 --> 00:26:34.269
and loading. So you're on paper now. I feel better.

00:26:34.410 --> 00:26:37.049
I've always felt better writing my schedule down.

00:26:37.150 --> 00:26:39.509
Wow. Because too, you can write notes and different

00:26:39.509 --> 00:26:41.690
things, but... That's hardcore, brother. That's

00:26:41.690 --> 00:26:44.950
very analog of you. What can I say? I love it.

00:26:44.970 --> 00:26:47.430
Yeah. I love it. Tina's like that too. I'm not.

00:26:47.500 --> 00:26:50.779
I mean, I can't do to -do lists, all this stuff.

00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:55.000
My to -do list winds up being 8 ,000 pages long.

00:26:55.220 --> 00:26:57.220
I'm like, well, I'll put it on the to -do list.

00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:58.339
And of course, it never... Everybody's different.

00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.319
And you got to do what works for you. So for

00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:03.799
me, and most people do this, whether it's electronically

00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.259
or not, you know, I wrote in, what does that

00:27:07.259 --> 00:27:09.160
say? I don't have my glasses on. That's Monday,

00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:10.839
Sabbath. Sabbath, I see it. Yeah. I wrote it

00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:12.920
for the whole day, Sabbath, all the way down.

00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.119
All the way down the page. Yeah. And because

00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.390
if I don't schedule it, Something else will get

00:27:18.390 --> 00:27:21.369
scheduled. Yeah, if I don't take care of my schedule

00:27:21.369 --> 00:27:25.009
somebody else will so I have to Put it in my

00:27:25.009 --> 00:27:27.670
schedule. This is what I'm doing Wow, I don't

00:27:27.670 --> 00:27:29.170
want to take the whole show for this, but I just

00:27:29.170 --> 00:27:30.869
feel like it No, hopefully it's helpful. This

00:27:30.869 --> 00:27:32.630
was really this was really good. It's good for

00:27:32.630 --> 00:27:35.789
me too because yeah Yeah, the Sabbath moment

00:27:35.789 --> 00:27:38.390
and scheduling that time and doing what bring

00:27:38.390 --> 00:27:41.390
what what's life -giving? What is really restorative

00:27:41.390 --> 00:27:43.450
for you? Mm -hmm. You know, you like to fish

00:27:43.450 --> 00:27:46.940
go fishing you like to hike Be outdoors, that's

00:27:46.940 --> 00:27:49.900
another thing. I love to get outdoors. And so

00:27:49.900 --> 00:27:54.099
it's good for me to get out in the sun. So I'll

00:27:54.099 --> 00:27:59.680
do that. I got a prayer flare here for a good

00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.119
friend of mine. Well, good friend, a friend of

00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:06.039
mine. Everyone's passing this clip around. Everyone's

00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.460
talking about it. Everybody's excited. I want

00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:11.579
to play it. And then I wanted to discuss how

00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:15.140
we can pray. for this man because everyone's

00:28:15.140 --> 00:28:17.700
like, Joe Rogan's going to church. This is fantastic.

00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.099
But if we really listen to what he's saying,

00:28:20.539 --> 00:28:22.859
I think we need to focus a lot of prayer towards

00:28:22.859 --> 00:28:26.200
Joe because I'll be real honest, I want Joe in

00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.200
heaven because that would be fun. And Samson's

00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:31.140
waiting for him there to work out and stuff.

00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:35.940
So here's the clip that everyone's passing around.

00:28:36.220 --> 00:28:37.640
I haven't got there, but I have started going

00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:39.759
to church every now and again. Yeah. Yeah. Do

00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.960
you enjoy it? I love it. Yeah. It's about I do

00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:44.819
too. It's a bunch of people that are going to

00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:46.099
try to make their lives better They're trying

00:28:46.099 --> 00:28:49.059
to be a better person and they're trying to I

00:28:49.059 --> 00:28:51.539
mean for me at least the place that I go to they

00:28:51.539 --> 00:28:55.819
you know, they read and Analyze passages in the

00:28:55.819 --> 00:28:58.420
Bible. I'm really interested in what these people

00:28:58.420 --> 00:29:00.700
were trying to say because I don't think it's

00:29:00.700 --> 00:29:03.819
nothing There's a lot of like atheists and secular

00:29:03.819 --> 00:29:07.170
people that just like to dismiss Christianity

00:29:07.170 --> 00:29:09.890
is being foolish. You know, it's just fairy tales.

00:29:10.029 --> 00:29:11.710
I hear that amongst, you know, self -professed,

00:29:11.710 --> 00:29:14.009
intelligent people. Like, it's a fairy tale.

00:29:15.069 --> 00:29:19.630
I don't know if that's true. I think there's

00:29:19.630 --> 00:29:22.049
more to it. I think it's history. But I think

00:29:22.049 --> 00:29:25.109
it's a confusing history. It's a confusing history

00:29:25.109 --> 00:29:28.599
because it was a long... time ago and it's people

00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:30.700
telling things in an oral tradition and writing

00:29:30.700 --> 00:29:33.680
things down in a language that you don't understand

00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.380
in the context of a culture that you don't understand

00:29:36.380 --> 00:29:39.200
and I think there's something to what they're

00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:42.940
saying I don't think it's nothing no no I think

00:29:42.940 --> 00:29:44.519
there's something to it and there's a reason

00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:47.000
why it resonates with people and Christianity

00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.099
in particular is the most fascinating to me because

00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:54.119
there's this one person that everybody agrees

00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:58.730
existed that somehow or another had the best

00:29:58.730 --> 00:30:01.309
plan for how a human being should interact with

00:30:01.309 --> 00:30:03.809
each other and behave and was the best example

00:30:03.809 --> 00:30:07.029
of it and even died in a non -violent way, didn't

00:30:07.029 --> 00:30:09.789
even protest, died on the cross supposedly for

00:30:09.789 --> 00:30:13.309
our sins. Like it's a fascinating story. What

00:30:13.309 --> 00:30:15.569
does it represent though? That's the real thing.

00:30:15.710 --> 00:30:20.049
What was that? Like what happened? Who was Jesus

00:30:20.049 --> 00:30:22.829
Christ if it was a human being? What was that?

00:30:23.250 --> 00:30:27.369
So Joe was very analytical. And I think at the

00:30:27.369 --> 00:30:29.710
core, what I'm hearing, and this is consistent

00:30:29.710 --> 00:30:32.930
with him, when I professed my faith to him three

00:30:32.930 --> 00:30:36.549
years ago now. You said, I'm a Jesus freak? Pretty

00:30:36.549 --> 00:30:43.450
much. It's always the same. He is not convinced

00:30:43.450 --> 00:30:46.769
that the Word in the Bible is the Word of God

00:30:46.769 --> 00:30:51.230
and set, and that that is it. He has huge distrust

00:30:51.230 --> 00:30:54.000
of that. And then I think that's where all of

00:30:54.000 --> 00:31:00.900
his analytical paths come from. It's like, well,

00:31:00.980 --> 00:31:03.180
let me just say that that was probably passed

00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:06.759
from an oral form, and then someone wrote it

00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:08.740
down, that was translated, he always comes up

00:31:08.740 --> 00:31:11.759
with Constantine, and the Bible was changed,

00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.640
and stuff was left out, and all of this. And

00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:19.130
that's actually not an atypical thought even

00:31:19.130 --> 00:31:21.869
for believers when you're out there on the internet

00:31:21.869 --> 00:31:25.490
and you know things pop up like well This this

00:31:25.490 --> 00:31:27.730
was translated wrong and the book of Enoch should

00:31:27.730 --> 00:31:31.049
have been in and you know So I and I preface

00:31:31.049 --> 00:31:33.509
this by saying I want us to pray for Joe But

00:31:33.509 --> 00:31:36.130
maybe you can just give your your thoughts on

00:31:36.130 --> 00:31:38.930
what you hear him saying here Well, I mean, it's

00:31:38.930 --> 00:31:41.029
obvious that Joe's been on a journey for a long

00:31:41.029 --> 00:31:43.150
time. I mean, I remember when Wesley Huff was

00:31:43.150 --> 00:31:45.890
on there, somebody put together a, it was actually

00:31:45.890 --> 00:31:47.730
fascinating. I mean, when you were on there.

00:31:47.970 --> 00:31:50.210
It was a series of all the people have been on.

00:31:50.410 --> 00:31:52.289
Well, it was a series of who come on, but also

00:31:52.289 --> 00:31:55.890
sort of his evolution to use that word, you know,

00:31:55.990 --> 00:32:00.369
his transformation is morphing. And it really

00:32:00.369 --> 00:32:03.589
is significant. I mean, he's made huge strides.

00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.579
to where it wasn't that long ago when he would

00:32:06.579 --> 00:32:09.059
not have said anything he just said. I mean,

00:32:09.059 --> 00:32:13.640
this is fairly recent. And to me, the way I look

00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:18.779
at it is, I don't look at Joe as a project, like,

00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.940
oh, we got to get Joe Rogan saved. Because if

00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:24.019
we do, I don't look at him as a means to an end

00:32:24.019 --> 00:32:25.799
and getting the gospel out with somebody who

00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:27.759
has a huge following like he does. Which right

00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.440
there, I'm sorry to interrupt, that's a big one.

00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.150
Because everyone's like, If Joe Rogan comes to

00:32:34.150 --> 00:32:37.670
Christ, then this will be the best thing for

00:32:37.670 --> 00:32:41.150
the faith. It's like, no, no, no, no. You're

00:32:41.150 --> 00:32:44.809
missing the point. Yes. God is not impressed

00:32:44.809 --> 00:32:50.269
with mass crowds. In fact, tonight... It reminds

00:32:50.269 --> 00:32:51.829
me what I'm going to talk about. I'm actually

00:32:51.829 --> 00:32:54.450
doing a Fields of Faith in For Comfort, Texas.

00:32:54.589 --> 00:32:58.029
I'm speaker, the guest speaker. So I get to preach

00:32:58.029 --> 00:33:00.589
a sermon to a bunch of teenagers tonight. Excellent.

00:33:01.029 --> 00:33:03.569
Nothing more intimidating on the planet than

00:33:03.569 --> 00:33:06.490
talking to teenagers, right? You'll be seeing

00:33:06.490 --> 00:33:09.109
some looking at their phones. Oh yeah, totally.

00:33:09.809 --> 00:33:14.289
But I'm talking about Jesus, fan or follower.

00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:17.660
Are you a fan? Are you a follower? I like it.

00:33:17.819 --> 00:33:19.960
There's a lot of fans in the world right now.

00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.539
And even as with the Charlie Kirk thing, with

00:33:22.539 --> 00:33:24.440
all this stuff, you know, I am Charlie Kirk,

00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:26.519
which I can't stand that phrase. But anyway,

00:33:27.019 --> 00:33:29.140
that's just a personal thing. I'm not Charlie

00:33:29.140 --> 00:33:32.500
Kirk. I'm Jimmy Pruitt, Jesus follower, Jesus

00:33:32.500 --> 00:33:36.319
freak, whatever. So Jesus is very popular right

00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:39.740
now. Man, a year ago. He's trending. A year ago,

00:33:39.779 --> 00:33:42.940
it was looking bad for Jesus. His numbers were

00:33:42.940 --> 00:33:52.880
way down. We've seen a massive shift. I get excited

00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.380
about that, but let's be real about it. That

00:33:55.380 --> 00:33:59.119
does not impress God. He's not looking for likes

00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:03.700
and clicks. He's not looking for fans. And even

00:34:03.700 --> 00:34:06.380
the word follower, we're talking about biblical

00:34:06.380 --> 00:34:08.699
version of that, not the social media version

00:34:08.699 --> 00:34:10.699
of that, right? Which has always been a problem

00:34:10.699 --> 00:34:13.880
for me, even as a non -believer. I'm like, follow?

00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.219
That sounds weird. It is weird, yeah. So to follow

00:34:17.219 --> 00:34:21.880
Jesus, that's what he's looking for. And so listen

00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.800
to this scripture in terms of that, because I

00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.179
think about Joe. Right now, Joe is becoming a

00:34:28.179 --> 00:34:32.269
fan. He's not a follower. But he's beginning

00:34:32.269 --> 00:34:35.789
to acknowledge there's something to this. There's

00:34:35.789 --> 00:34:38.210
more than I thought there was. I mean, even in

00:34:38.210 --> 00:34:41.289
his language, you can hear him leaning. It feels

00:34:41.289 --> 00:34:44.389
a little bit like he's looking at it as, although

00:34:44.389 --> 00:34:48.570
not a bad analog, the instruction manual to his

00:34:48.570 --> 00:34:53.909
car. It's like, well, Jesus, he had these concepts,

00:34:53.909 --> 00:34:56.210
and if I live my life this way, it'll be better.

00:34:57.010 --> 00:34:59.760
Exactly. You nailed that. That's really... That's

00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:04.179
really what I heard too. But I'm also happy for

00:35:04.179 --> 00:35:07.039
him that he's on the journey, that he's asking

00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.099
questions. He's asking good questions. He's asking

00:35:10.099 --> 00:35:12.920
questions. That's number one. The tricky part

00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:16.460
for Joe and people like Joe who are so analytical

00:35:16.460 --> 00:35:19.380
and linear in their thinking is that they're

00:35:19.380 --> 00:35:21.780
going to struggle with the concept of faith and

00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:26.539
trust. Faith, trust, belief. They're all rooted

00:35:26.539 --> 00:35:29.039
in the same thing. They're going to struggle

00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:34.760
with that. And so it's interesting to me that

00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:38.059
I had a guy in my church. He became a lieutenant

00:35:38.059 --> 00:35:40.320
colonel. He became a colonel. I mean, this guy

00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:44.719
was like rising the ranks in the military, B

00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:48.599
-1 bomber pilot, one of the most Harvard graduate

00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:53.079
school of war. I mean, this guy was General Petraeus'

00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.920
right -hand man in the desert, in the sandbox.

00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:59.280
I mean, called me from a helicopter one time.

00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:01.800
I'm like, I can barely hear you. And you're on

00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.360
the other side of the world, somewhere hovering

00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:06.920
around one of the palaces of Hussein or whatever.

00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:13.860
So that guy had a, even though he was so brilliant,

00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:17.380
so analytical, the one thing he didn't have an

00:36:17.380 --> 00:36:21.269
issue with was trust, belief and faith. He loved

00:36:21.269 --> 00:36:24.510
God. He trusted God. Still does to this day,

00:36:24.570 --> 00:36:28.829
by the way. He has a ministry now. He retired

00:36:28.829 --> 00:36:31.050
out of the military, career military. Now he

00:36:31.050 --> 00:36:35.070
has a ministry. So there are people who are brilliant,

00:36:35.570 --> 00:36:38.190
intellectual, analytical, linear in their thinking

00:36:38.190 --> 00:36:41.449
who have no issue because this isn't an intelligence

00:36:41.449 --> 00:36:44.670
issue. Oh, absolutely not. But yes, some people

00:36:44.670 --> 00:36:47.110
would think it is. that the more intelligent

00:36:47.110 --> 00:36:49.050
you are, the harder time you're going to have

00:36:49.050 --> 00:36:51.610
with faith, trust, belief. No, that's not an

00:36:51.610 --> 00:36:54.489
intelligent issue. That's a heart issue. It's

00:36:54.489 --> 00:36:57.630
not a brain issue. It's a heart issue. And whether

00:36:57.630 --> 00:37:00.469
it's Joe Rogan or anybody else, they all have

00:37:00.469 --> 00:37:03.789
to come the same way everybody comes. That's

00:37:03.789 --> 00:37:06.829
through Jesus Christ. Jesus said, I am the way,

00:37:07.190 --> 00:37:11.530
the truth, and the life. And those who come to

00:37:11.530 --> 00:37:14.980
the Father must come by or through me. But he's

00:37:14.980 --> 00:37:18.920
not a way, a truth, he's the way, period. It

00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:21.119
is very exclusive. People say, so is Christianity

00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:24.739
exclusive? Absolutely. There is a way to get

00:37:24.739 --> 00:37:27.159
there and it's through Jesus and it's the way,

00:37:27.380 --> 00:37:31.440
not a, it's the. There's not multiple ways. And

00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:33.760
gosh, that just sounds very exclusive. It is.

00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.179
I didn't write the book. I didn't create the

00:37:36.179 --> 00:37:39.920
world. You know, oh man, that's so good because

00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.159
you're right. And I remember, because I also,

00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:47.400
I went, I approached my faith analytically. And,

00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:51.079
you know, for me, it was like, well, once I read,

00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:55.460
what was the? Oh, Evidence that Demands a Verdict.

00:37:55.460 --> 00:37:58.239
Evidence that Demands a Verdict. And from there

00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:00.639
went into Beautiful Outlaw and all these other,

00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:03.380
you know, I think just having, and by the way,

00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:05.239
Evidence that Demands a Verdict, like a third

00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:09.039
of that book is footnotes. you know, um, uh,

00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.739
location data, you know, this is exactly where

00:38:11.739 --> 00:38:16.480
this happened. That happened. Um, wow. I can

00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:21.280
just see a guy like Joe trust being one of the

00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:24.739
trusting, having faith in something that is not

00:38:24.739 --> 00:38:28.619
his own doing because he worked out because he

00:38:28.619 --> 00:38:32.039
ate this in a way that's going to be really hard

00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.679
for him because that his whole persona is kind

00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:39.860
of based on that. And Additionally, Joe has a

00:38:39.860 --> 00:38:42.280
photographic memory. People don't realize this.

00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:47.059
So he has to replace some of those pictures with

00:38:47.059 --> 00:38:50.219
new pictures. And that's what I'm praying for,

00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:56.360
actually. Well said. Well said. Somebody like

00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.820
Joe, who's a self -made man, pull yourself up

00:38:59.820 --> 00:39:03.400
by your own bootstraps. The hardest thing to

00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:07.659
surrender is yourself. And that's the first thing

00:39:07.659 --> 00:39:11.500
Jesus asked for. He literally says this. Listen

00:39:11.500 --> 00:39:15.000
to how he says it. He says, if any of you wants

00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.199
to be my follower, you must give up your own

00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.440
way. There it is. Take up your cross and follow

00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:25.300
me. It's Matthew 16, 24 and then LT. So Jesus

00:39:25.300 --> 00:39:30.280
said, you have to give up your own way. And that's

00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.840
the tipping point for everybody. And whether

00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:36.000
some people think, well, all the Jews will be

00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.619
saved because they're God's people. No, they

00:39:38.619 --> 00:39:41.039
have to come to Jesus. They have to come to God

00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.440
through Jesus, just like you and me. They don't

00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.099
get a past. They don't get special preference.

00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.440
God wants them. He woos them. He sent Jesus to

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.219
the Jews first, and the scripture even says to

00:39:51.219 --> 00:39:53.760
the Jew first, then the Gentile. So he came to

00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:57.900
them first, and he's still there for them. even

00:39:57.900 --> 00:39:59.900
though initially they rejected him, but over

00:39:59.900 --> 00:40:02.179
a million Jewish people have professed Jesus

00:40:02.179 --> 00:40:05.400
Christ as Savior. Now across the earth, it's

00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:09.139
the most in history ever. So God's on the move.

00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.340
As the land's moving, Jesus is showing up and

00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:15.260
it's happening. But every one of them, so the

00:40:15.260 --> 00:40:18.960
ground is level at the foot of the cross. There's

00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:22.150
no... Passes? No. I love that. The ground is

00:40:22.150 --> 00:40:24.070
level at the foot of the cross. That's good.

00:40:24.289 --> 00:40:28.070
Nobody gets a special pass because you're popular

00:40:28.070 --> 00:40:30.969
or because you have 12 million followers or whatever.

00:40:31.510 --> 00:40:33.769
At the end of the day, it comes down to the same

00:40:33.769 --> 00:40:36.869
thing. Like a child, you come to God and say,

00:40:36.909 --> 00:40:40.230
I can't do this. I got to repent. I need you

00:40:40.230 --> 00:40:44.900
in my life. I give up. Max Lucado was his devotional

00:40:44.900 --> 00:40:46.920
this morning, which I heard on Hello Fred available

00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:49.400
in the Godcast to get the Godcast rap for Android

00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:56.699
and iOS. He was saying, I wish I could recall

00:40:56.699 --> 00:41:00.900
it precisely, but that it's really in the hard

00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:05.119
times that God loves you the most and where you

00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.820
can really, that's where your faith really comes

00:41:07.820 --> 00:41:11.219
out. By the way, that has a flip side. But I

00:41:11.219 --> 00:41:13.880
always remind myself, thank you God, thank you

00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.239
Jesus for this wonderful thing that just happened.

00:41:16.380 --> 00:41:23.420
We also have to rejoice in that. Although I didn't,

00:41:23.659 --> 00:41:26.920
I think, but going through a crisis is probably

00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:29.260
the way a lot of people come to faith. I don't

00:41:29.260 --> 00:41:31.900
know. Is that true? No doubt. If you think about

00:41:31.900 --> 00:41:33.920
it, a lot of people go into Congress because

00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:38.099
of a crisis, right? The pain of staying the same

00:41:38.099 --> 00:41:40.199
has to outweigh the pain of change, my old boss

00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:42.699
used to say, Dave Ramsey. So think about it.

00:41:42.699 --> 00:41:45.440
The pain of staying the same has to outweigh

00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.500
the pain of change. We don't like change, and

00:41:47.500 --> 00:41:51.320
we don't usually change on purpose. We change

00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.980
because something happens. It's usually a result.

00:41:56.099 --> 00:41:58.179
Sadly, it's usually not the result of a good

00:41:58.179 --> 00:42:00.900
thing. It's usually the result of pain. So the

00:42:00.900 --> 00:42:02.840
pain of staying the same has to outweigh the

00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:06.519
pain of change. So change is painful to people.

00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:11.780
And so a lot of times, the people that end up

00:42:11.780 --> 00:42:13.659
in Congress, unless they were born and raised

00:42:13.659 --> 00:42:16.539
into that world, and there are those elitist

00:42:16.539 --> 00:42:20.139
oligarchs, we've got those. But a lot of people

00:42:20.139 --> 00:42:23.480
that are serving in Congress, when you get behind

00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.789
the suit or the dress, They have a story. It's

00:42:26.789 --> 00:42:29.289
usually tragic. That's a good point. Yes, many

00:42:29.289 --> 00:42:32.349
do. It drove them to do something they never

00:42:32.349 --> 00:42:34.369
thought they would do to get beyond their comfort

00:42:34.369 --> 00:42:38.130
zone. A lot of people that are like that in Congress,

00:42:38.289 --> 00:42:40.730
those are the ones I really got my eye on. Kind

00:42:40.730 --> 00:42:42.829
of like the old Will Rogers quote, I don't trust

00:42:42.829 --> 00:42:45.369
anyone who doesn't walk with a limp. I don't

00:42:45.369 --> 00:42:48.550
trust a man who doesn't walk with a limp. They're

00:42:48.550 --> 00:42:50.929
walking with a limp and those are the ones who

00:42:50.929 --> 00:42:53.400
I think move the needle. at the end of the day,

00:42:53.500 --> 00:42:54.960
because they're not playing the political games.

00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.539
They're there for a reason, for a purpose. Same

00:42:57.539 --> 00:43:01.239
way with coming to Christ. A lot of times, we

00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:04.000
kind of have to hit the bottom a lot of times

00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.300
before we can really look up and go, I need help.

00:43:07.579 --> 00:43:10.340
I can't do this anymore. That is interesting

00:43:10.340 --> 00:43:13.880
because it's still fresh enough for me. I'm reflecting

00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.539
on my own faith journey. I don't think Tina and

00:43:16.539 --> 00:43:19.260
I came to our faith or came to Jesus through

00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:26.920
any any crisis per se. It was curiosity. It was

00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:31.679
maybe it was looking to fill something that we

00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:34.860
both felt we were missing. Not crisis though.

00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.840
And I don't know if that's atypical. No, I don't

00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:39.880
think it is because I didn't come through crisis

00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.179
either. I came because I thought to myself, there's

00:43:43.179 --> 00:43:45.320
got to be more to life than what I'm seeing.

00:43:45.460 --> 00:43:48.199
I always think of the song, is that all there

00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:50.980
is my friend? And I think of the one by Stephen

00:43:50.980 --> 00:43:53.800
Curry's Chapman, more to this life, there's more

00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:56.139
to this life than living and dying, more than

00:43:56.139 --> 00:43:59.000
just trying to make it through another day. I

00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.260
love the lines in that song. Also available on

00:44:01.260 --> 00:44:04.739
Hello Fred on the Godcaster app. Download it

00:44:04.739 --> 00:44:10.760
today. IOS or Android. And you know, it's like,

00:44:11.300 --> 00:44:14.340
I'm hesitating because, and that's kind of why

00:44:14.340 --> 00:44:15.920
I wanted to do this, you know, maybe someone

00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.699
will send this to Joe so he can hear it. I don't

00:44:18.699 --> 00:44:20.880
want to be telling him what to do. Exactly. You

00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.199
know, and this is probably the worst thing because

00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:25.480
I know people are like, yeah, man, you know,

00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.019
we're ready for you. Jesus is ready. No. Like

00:44:28.019 --> 00:44:30.659
it's a touchdown. Yeah. We're not trying to score

00:44:30.659 --> 00:44:33.940
a touchdown. We're trying to see a life transformed.

00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.599
Yeah. So that he will spend eternity with Jesus,

00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:41.940
with God, with us. Yes. And so I learned very

00:44:41.940 --> 00:44:45.940
young not to make people projects. First of all,

00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:48.280
I learned that I can't talk anybody into coming

00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:51.179
to God. If I do, that means somebody else can

00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:55.039
talk them out of it. It's got to be a real transformation

00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.500
of the heart, and I have nothing to do with that.

00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.059
So as a pastor, I'm more a facilitator than anything.

00:45:02.059 --> 00:45:05.559
Even apologists, who that's kind of their thing.

00:45:06.019 --> 00:45:08.440
They're brilliant. They're smart. They can talk

00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:11.980
you like a Wesley Huff, who can really just break

00:45:11.980 --> 00:45:14.159
it all down for you. But at the end of the day,

00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:17.260
he can break it down for Joe, and Joe can go,

00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:21.360
yeah, those facts, that's interesting. Yeah,

00:45:21.500 --> 00:45:23.360
yeah, that Dead Sea Scroll thing and then the

00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:25.780
scenes and all that. Yeah, that makes sense.

00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:28.920
But at the end of the day, he still has to take

00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.699
what everybody has to take, and it's a leap of

00:45:31.699 --> 00:45:35.269
faith. Just like Indiana Jones stepping out over

00:45:35.269 --> 00:45:38.389
that cliff and not knowing if there's going to

00:45:38.389 --> 00:45:41.590
be a stepping stone there or not. Yeah. Wow.

00:45:41.630 --> 00:45:43.309
That's good, brother. That's good. That's the

00:45:43.309 --> 00:45:46.130
real stuff. Yeah. Well, I'm praying for Joe that

00:45:46.130 --> 00:45:49.030
way. Yes. Because I really, I really, I really

00:45:49.030 --> 00:45:52.050
don't like the, as you say, like, yeah, we're

00:45:52.050 --> 00:45:54.210
scoring a touchdown. A notch in your Bible. Let

00:45:54.210 --> 00:45:56.469
me notch my Bible. Joe's at the 20 yard line.

00:45:56.530 --> 00:45:59.090
You know, it's like, no, no, no, no. Wow. That's

00:45:59.090 --> 00:46:01.929
good. So man, I had a whole bunch of clips that

00:46:01.929 --> 00:46:04.489
we're not going to get to today. It was about

00:46:04.489 --> 00:46:07.349
Tucker Carlson at Turning Point USA. But Charlie

00:46:07.349 --> 00:46:09.690
Kirk has been kind of a theme throughout our

00:46:09.690 --> 00:46:13.250
episode here. And I wanted to play one clip.

00:46:13.949 --> 00:46:15.789
It's about two and a half minutes long. But this

00:46:15.789 --> 00:46:18.789
is from one of our friends, Laura Logan. She

00:46:18.789 --> 00:46:23.190
went to Moscow to interview Kirill Dmitriev.

00:46:23.690 --> 00:46:25.869
And Kirill Dmitriev, when you hear him, you might

00:46:25.869 --> 00:46:30.500
recognize his voice. the counterpart to Steve

00:46:30.500 --> 00:46:34.639
Witkoff. So a serious guy, he runs the Sovereign

00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.440
Wealth Fund or investment fund, I think it's

00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:41.460
called, of Russia. And it's funny because Laura

00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:44.019
went to Moscow and he's been in the US for like

00:46:44.019 --> 00:46:45.719
two weeks doing interviews everywhere. I'm not

00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:48.420
quite sure. I'm sure she's trying to set up something

00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:50.340
with Putin, which would be on brand for her.

00:46:50.340 --> 00:46:53.780
And I hope that works out. But it was such an

00:46:53.780 --> 00:46:57.199
interesting thing that he discussed. because

00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.519
I know this is coming and I want our people,

00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:02.480
and when I say our people, our spiritual family

00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.380
here in Fredericksburg and anyone else who listens

00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:06.860
to this podcast, I'm most interested in them

00:47:06.860 --> 00:47:08.440
because they're our friends and our spiritual

00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:11.500
family. What's coming next is we're going to

00:47:11.500 --> 00:47:14.400
ramp up more Russia hate. We've already, you

00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.610
might have noticed that... from the river to

00:47:16.610 --> 00:47:19.429
the sea has kind of disappeared and things are,

00:47:19.469 --> 00:47:21.809
you know, not the president Trump or his team

00:47:21.809 --> 00:47:23.949
will get any credit for that. I don't think they

00:47:23.949 --> 00:47:25.889
care either. They just want to make the world

00:47:25.889 --> 00:47:29.889
a better place. I truly believe that. So that's

00:47:29.889 --> 00:47:32.230
dying down a little bit. Now we're going to,

00:47:32.250 --> 00:47:33.670
you know, president Trump is really going to

00:47:33.670 --> 00:47:39.710
start working on Russia, Ukraine. And I myself

00:47:39.710 --> 00:47:45.250
went to Moscow in 1988 and found immediately

00:47:45.449 --> 00:47:49.150
These people are a lot like us. They have a lot

00:47:49.150 --> 00:47:52.889
of the same thinking and values, etc. It's true.

00:47:53.389 --> 00:48:02.309
And so I wanted to fortify our people here with

00:48:02.309 --> 00:48:05.050
some of the thinking, which I believe to be true,

00:48:05.369 --> 00:48:09.619
what Dmitriev is saying here. uh, about how similar

00:48:09.619 --> 00:48:13.440
we are. And so, and to recognize some of the

00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:16.460
things that to this day, many members of Congress

00:48:16.460 --> 00:48:18.500
and, you know, the house representatives and

00:48:18.500 --> 00:48:21.260
the Senate and leaders will be trying to convince

00:48:21.260 --> 00:48:23.780
you that this is the evil, evil Russia. And again,

00:48:23.940 --> 00:48:26.340
my mind was blown when I went there. So, you

00:48:26.340 --> 00:48:30.139
know, when we talk about Russia. You know, I've

00:48:30.139 --> 00:48:32.039
got in my mind that if I step off the plane,

00:48:32.179 --> 00:48:35.219
it's going to be in black and white. I mean,

00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.559
that's how the narrative runs and that they're

00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.789
all. waiting in lines at grocery stores for a

00:48:40.789 --> 00:48:43.570
sack of potatoes. It's powerful imagery, brother.

00:48:43.630 --> 00:48:46.349
Powerful. And that's what I've seen for decades

00:48:46.349 --> 00:48:50.070
about it. But then the more I've gotten older

00:48:50.070 --> 00:48:53.289
and realized it's very westernized. Very colorful,

00:48:53.590 --> 00:48:56.570
in fact. Very much so. And just to kind of accentuate

00:48:56.570 --> 00:48:59.050
that, when I went, it was still the USSR, but

00:48:59.050 --> 00:49:01.010
the wall had not come down. It was for the Moscow

00:49:01.010 --> 00:49:04.090
Music Peace Festival. And there was a very black

00:49:04.090 --> 00:49:08.570
and white part to it when So we had our big camera

00:49:08.570 --> 00:49:12.289
trucks and 24 cameras and this big wire had to

00:49:12.289 --> 00:49:15.690
go into the KGB bus, which was literally a gray

00:49:15.690 --> 00:49:19.050
bus with curtains. And it was completely black

00:49:19.050 --> 00:49:20.949
and white. That's your black and white vision.

00:49:21.429 --> 00:49:23.630
But then at 3 a .m. when we were hanging out

00:49:23.630 --> 00:49:25.269
in front of the hotel, because there was a bunch

00:49:25.269 --> 00:49:28.449
of Western rock guys, and the Moscow Hells Angels

00:49:28.449 --> 00:49:31.590
showed up. That was colorful, man. That was like

00:49:31.590 --> 00:49:33.869
they're on Java motorcycles. They're popping

00:49:33.869 --> 00:49:37.710
wheelies there. And so, you know, that contrast

00:49:37.710 --> 00:49:40.750
is so incredibly real, but it's colorful. So

00:49:40.750 --> 00:49:44.090
just listen to what and this goes all the way

00:49:44.090 --> 00:49:46.550
through what we're just coming out of, of the

00:49:46.550 --> 00:49:49.159
Biden administration really. also going back

00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:51.199
to Obama and even further back when you think

00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.519
about it. I think it's just really informative

00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:57.500
to listen to this. Let me go back to how traditional

00:49:57.500 --> 00:50:00.699
values and other things unite us. Because President

00:50:00.699 --> 00:50:03.099
Putin has started talking about focus on traditional

00:50:03.099 --> 00:50:06.039
values, not this year, not five years ago, but

00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.440
when he really became president. So for more

00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:10.739
than 20 years ago, he's been focused on really

00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:13.300
making sure that, you know, it's not a woke world,

00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.139
it's a world where there is a man and a woman,

00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:18.489
the focus on the family. and Christian values,

00:50:18.730 --> 00:50:20.909
and I think that is very, very important. And

00:50:20.909 --> 00:50:24.269
he was calling out the fakeness of the Vogue

00:50:24.269 --> 00:50:26.070
narrative for a long time. And by the way, I

00:50:26.070 --> 00:50:27.989
love - Just like President Trump. Just as President

00:50:27.989 --> 00:50:29.750
Trump. And by the way, I loved, I reposted one

00:50:29.750 --> 00:50:32.329
of your posts where you had this Vogue vocabulary.

00:50:32.710 --> 00:50:34.010
Yes. What people saying what they really mean.

00:50:34.010 --> 00:50:36.469
And what they really mean. Yeah. So I think the

00:50:36.469 --> 00:50:39.690
honesty and be straightforward, you know, not

00:50:39.690 --> 00:50:43.230
political correctness, but calling things the

00:50:43.230 --> 00:50:45.550
way they are is important. I would give another,

00:50:45.570 --> 00:50:47.610
I think, very poignant example. of Charlie Kirk.

00:50:48.230 --> 00:50:50.730
So Charlie Kirk really resonated with the Russian

00:50:50.730 --> 00:50:54.409
people. Isn't this fantastic? I really love that

00:50:54.409 --> 00:50:55.989
he brought this up. I did not expect to hear

00:50:55.989 --> 00:50:59.070
that. I know you'd like it. And when this horrible

00:50:59.070 --> 00:51:02.170
tragedy happened, not only President Putin gave

00:51:02.170 --> 00:51:04.650
condolences, but Russian church actually did

00:51:04.650 --> 00:51:08.710
an article recognizing Charlie Kirk's contributions

00:51:08.710 --> 00:51:11.730
to Christianity. So they see him not only as

00:51:11.730 --> 00:51:14.010
somebody who is an advocate of family, not only

00:51:14.010 --> 00:51:16.679
advocate on campuses, but really as a religious

00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:18.900
sort of thinker, a contemporary religious thinker.

00:51:18.900 --> 00:51:20.300
Okay, but that's interesting because, of course,

00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.519
under Marxism, there is no room for religion.

00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.420
I mean, Karl Marx was an nihilist when it came

00:51:25.420 --> 00:51:28.380
to God. I love that Lara does this. She's so

00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:31.019
good. Yeah, but Russia is actually quite a religious

00:51:31.019 --> 00:51:33.559
country. Yes. So if you go, and I hope you can

00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:36.280
go to our Orthodox churches, et cetera, it's

00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.480
a very religious country and very much focused

00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:42.880
on values. So in reality, we see view of the

00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.139
world very similarly, where we see, for example,

00:51:45.099 --> 00:51:47.960
immigration in Europe and what Biden tried to

00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:50.480
do in the U .S. is crazy. You know, I actually

00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:53.139
have a theory about this. I believe that Biden

00:51:53.139 --> 00:51:57.480
wanted Democrats to stay in power forever. So

00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.619
what he did, he figured out immigrants, criminals

00:52:00.619 --> 00:52:03.820
and transgender, they were Democrats. So then

00:52:03.820 --> 00:52:06.619
he increased the number of criminals, he increased

00:52:06.619 --> 00:52:08.659
the number of immigrants, and there was a huge

00:52:08.659 --> 00:52:10.659
transgender spike, which is, by the way, now

00:52:10.659 --> 00:52:13.320
coming down, to turn to normalcy during his era.

00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:16.179
Turn to reality. All of that was to stay in power.

00:52:16.539 --> 00:52:19.179
All of those things that Russia is tough on and

00:52:19.179 --> 00:52:21.280
Europe is not tough on. So I think another thing

00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.860
we see is, for example, Europe was allowing illegal

00:52:23.860 --> 00:52:26.639
immigration, was allowing lots of vote policy.

00:52:27.019 --> 00:52:29.300
J .D. Vance said it's basically a suicide of

00:52:29.300 --> 00:52:31.820
European civilization. And we also see it very

00:52:31.820 --> 00:52:35.039
similarly. But to summarize, I think we all care

00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.119
about our families. We all care about education

00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:41.039
of our children. We all care about having good

00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:44.099
economy, good growth, and we are much more similar.

00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:46.619
And what happened during Biden administration

00:52:46.619 --> 00:52:49.019
and actually started with Obama, Russiagate,

00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.860
is that Russiagate tried to vilify President

00:52:52.860 --> 00:52:56.480
Trump, tried to vilify Russia. And from that

00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:59.420
time, Russia became like really bad, bad, bad

00:52:59.420 --> 00:53:02.769
in the people's minds in the U .S. But more and

00:53:02.769 --> 00:53:05.070
more conservatives understand that those were

00:53:05.070 --> 00:53:09.010
fake, not true narratives. So I brought this

00:53:09.010 --> 00:53:12.429
clip because I wanted everyone to hear this because

00:53:12.429 --> 00:53:15.349
when the messaging comes, which is going to come

00:53:15.349 --> 00:53:18.230
about how evil, it's going to be more focused

00:53:18.230 --> 00:53:23.090
on Putin, but I'm convinced, I have to say I'm

00:53:23.090 --> 00:53:25.010
pretty convinced that President Trump and his

00:53:25.010 --> 00:53:28.840
team are working on something I call ARC. ARC,

00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:32.599
America, Russia, China. Notice that these are

00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:38.980
not countries with monarchies. And I truly believe,

00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:41.460
and this whole interview, it's on the Godcaster,

00:53:42.219 --> 00:53:44.360
at Bridge Church on the Godcaster, you can, and

00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.679
hello, Fred, as well, you can listen. It's 45

00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:51.699
minutes is well worth it. That we are going to

00:53:51.699 --> 00:53:54.860
wind up working together. and leaving each other

00:53:54.860 --> 00:53:57.480
in our own values. Like China, you want to be

00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.940
like that, that's fine, but we can still, but

00:54:00.940 --> 00:54:02.880
we do a lot of trade. I mean, that's our biggest

00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.199
trade partner. I mean, this is ridiculous not

00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:08.440
to recognize that. And Russia has a lot of what

00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:13.179
we need when it comes to resources. But just

00:54:13.179 --> 00:54:15.719
listening to that, I'm like, listen, when the

00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.099
Russian church is thinking about Charlie Kirk,

00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:21.480
that blows my mind. So when the messaging comes,

00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.579
I want people to think about this, that we are

00:54:24.579 --> 00:54:27.519
much more similar than the media, the control,

00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:29.960
it is completely controlled media, would have

00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:32.900
you believe. Man, I'm so glad you brought this

00:54:32.900 --> 00:54:35.559
up. You know, I've been doing a pushback on news,

00:54:36.179 --> 00:54:38.219
like almost to the point of, wait, did anything

00:54:38.219 --> 00:54:40.300
happen today? What's going on? What's going on?

00:54:40.420 --> 00:54:43.280
I'm FOMOing a little bit because not even fear

00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.360
though, it's not fear anymore. I'm just missing

00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:47.300
out because I want to. I'm choosing to fear,

00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.079
choosing. I got to come up with a new thing.

00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:54.199
Cho Mo. Cho Mo. Choosing of missing. No, that

00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:56.219
didn't work. We'll figure something out. But

00:54:56.219 --> 00:54:59.179
you know, I'm choosing to not swim in the cesspool

00:54:59.179 --> 00:55:03.679
of media right now. And it has been hugely refreshing,

00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.039
but it also shifts your perspective. When you're

00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:10.679
not being fed this narrative constantly, these

00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:13.500
breadcrumbs of a narrative that start to add

00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:16.539
up and accumulate. And the algos start to throw

00:55:16.539 --> 00:55:18.440
in your face. Exactly. It's like a cumulative

00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:21.800
GPA, you know, it just accumulates. And before

00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:23.559
you know it, you're toxic and you don't even

00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:26.500
know it. It's just a frog in the kettle syndrome,

00:55:26.500 --> 00:55:29.679
right? So because I've been pushing back on that

00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:32.739
and not swimming in it, the stuff that's coming

00:55:32.739 --> 00:55:35.559
my way is almost laughable at this point. But

00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.699
it's stuff that A few weeks ago, I would have

00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:40.800
been like taking the bait. I would have been

00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.659
going, oh my gosh, did you hear about this? So

00:55:43.659 --> 00:55:46.019
when I hear this, I'm not hearing it through

00:55:46.019 --> 00:55:48.119
a grid of a narrative that I've been swimming

00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.920
in. I'm hearing it fresh. where I'm going, I

00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:54.099
completely see that. And I've heard that about

00:55:54.099 --> 00:55:57.159
Putin, good things. People lose their mind if

00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:00.460
you say that. Like you said, this is going to

00:56:00.460 --> 00:56:03.239
spin up. For sure. We always need a nemesis.

00:56:03.460 --> 00:56:08.579
We need an antagonist. Let the true nemesis be

00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:10.260
our nemesis. Come on, there you go. Let the enemy

00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:14.079
be our enemy and not this. How can we teach the

00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:17.639
church The public, I mean, I can say it till

00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:19.900
I'm blue in the face in the pulpit and they all

00:56:19.900 --> 00:56:22.340
nod and say, amen, but then they come back next

00:56:22.340 --> 00:56:26.059
week full of this narrative. It's like every

00:56:26.059 --> 00:56:29.179
week, I feel like I have to deprogram some of

00:56:29.179 --> 00:56:31.519
our people in our church. These are people I

00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:34.280
love and care about, but they're swimming in

00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:37.099
this. How can we help? I'm trying to lead the

00:56:37.099 --> 00:56:39.340
way by putting my screens down, picking up my

00:56:39.340 --> 00:56:41.980
Bible and talking about it. I think that's it.

00:56:42.059 --> 00:56:44.639
I mean, you're doing it. you are doing it. And

00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:48.960
how do people learn? Repetition. You just keep

00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:50.900
repeating it, and you're very good at coming

00:56:50.900 --> 00:56:53.179
up with creative ways of saying the same thing

00:56:53.179 --> 00:56:55.300
over and over again. That's pretty much the life

00:56:55.300 --> 00:56:57.559
of a pastor. I'm sure that that's what you do

00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.940
for a living. We have about one message. You

00:57:00.940 --> 00:57:04.420
just say it 7 ,000 different ways creatively.

00:57:06.630 --> 00:57:09.809
But our friends listening to this, even you and

00:57:09.809 --> 00:57:11.829
I are talking, but we're aware that there are

00:57:11.829 --> 00:57:15.030
other ears that this is going to land on. How

00:57:15.030 --> 00:57:19.570
can we encourage them, Adam Curry, to put down

00:57:19.570 --> 00:57:21.489
their screens, as you say, and pick up their

00:57:21.489 --> 00:57:24.489
Bibles, so that when these narratives come down

00:57:24.489 --> 00:57:27.510
the pike, and they are going to come, we go,

00:57:27.630 --> 00:57:37.530
I call BS. This doesn't align with what I think

00:57:37.530 --> 00:57:40.449
I know. Well, my rule of thumb is everything

00:57:40.449 --> 00:57:44.630
that media brings me, and that means mainstream

00:57:44.630 --> 00:57:47.510
media, but also social media, is just by definition

00:57:47.510 --> 00:57:52.530
BS. I agree. 99 % of it is going to be that you're

00:57:52.530 --> 00:57:55.409
not, there is no benefit. There's also no loss.

00:57:55.570 --> 00:57:57.130
We got to come up with a, you're right, we got

00:57:57.130 --> 00:57:59.570
to come up with a new acronym for FOMO. Choosing

00:57:59.570 --> 00:58:04.739
to miss out. I do this for a living, and I choose

00:58:04.739 --> 00:58:09.380
to miss out five of the seven days a week. And

00:58:09.380 --> 00:58:12.800
when I jump into it, I'm so fresh because I'm

00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:15.940
like, oh, this is all bull crap. I can see all

00:58:15.940 --> 00:58:17.800
of it. And a fresh heart. Yes. Because you've

00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:20.239
been picking up your Bible, so your heart's getting

00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:26.119
re -attuned to that. And it's almost... Well,

00:58:26.139 --> 00:58:28.300
I think this podcast maybe, you know, because

00:58:28.300 --> 00:58:31.960
we didn't... do a business plan. We didn't sketch

00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:34.619
anything out. We said, it's time for us to do

00:58:34.619 --> 00:58:37.440
this because we get to do this. And so I think

00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:41.039
this is a part of it. And, and I don't think

00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:43.800
long and hard and, you know, it comes to me,

00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.780
you know, the Holy Spirit guides me. I'm like,

00:58:45.780 --> 00:58:48.840
oh, this is probably a tag it like, this is probably

00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:51.400
good for the podcast. You have your own method.

00:58:53.179 --> 00:59:00.420
So I think it's just keep on rejecting the the

00:59:00.420 --> 00:59:03.320
corridor to your brain, which is the notifications,

00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.559
etc. That screens, put down your screens, pick

00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.320
up your Bible, which is easy to say. I know it's

00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:12.199
not the easiest thing. And that in combination

00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:15.079
with booking your Sabbath time. And yeah, maybe

00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.699
it's just an hour. Start with an hour, then do

00:59:17.699 --> 00:59:20.059
another hour. I'm saying this for myself, by

00:59:20.059 --> 00:59:21.780
the way, because I think it's a really good idea

00:59:21.780 --> 00:59:24.480
to put it on your calendar. And then just see

00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:28.429
how, just try, it's like, just try it. Try not

00:59:28.429 --> 00:59:31.289
looking at your phone for an hour, then try two

00:59:31.289 --> 00:59:34.429
hours, then try three. This is the easiest. This

00:59:34.429 --> 00:59:37.630
I can do. I can literally not look at my phone

00:59:37.630 --> 00:59:41.949
for X amount of time. You'll see the improvement

00:59:41.949 --> 00:59:45.550
and just maybe take stock at the end of the day.

00:59:46.110 --> 00:59:48.710
Was this really something that was so outrageous

00:59:48.710 --> 00:59:52.000
I needed to know this? You know, write down all

00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:53.840
the things you learned that are super important.

00:59:54.019 --> 00:59:56.260
I guarantee you, you can't forget. You don't

00:59:56.260 --> 00:59:59.260
even know all the important things that got y

00:59:59.260 --> 01:00:01.539
'all worked up. It's not going to be there. And

01:00:01.539 --> 01:00:05.179
ask why. Why do I need to look at it? But also,

01:00:05.260 --> 01:00:09.179
why do I need to post? Oh, yeah. This has been

01:00:09.179 --> 01:00:11.519
a huge thing for me. And you've helped me with

01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:13.460
it. I told Annette, I said, I'm so thankful for

01:00:13.460 --> 01:00:17.349
Adam, our friendship. Because you've beat this

01:00:17.349 --> 01:00:20.349
drum for a long time with me, not like trying

01:00:20.349 --> 01:00:22.789
to get me to do anything. It's just we've been

01:00:22.789 --> 01:00:26.409
talking out loud. We just happened to hit record

01:00:26.409 --> 01:00:28.269
today, but this conversation would have happened

01:00:28.269 --> 01:00:30.710
anyway. It's an ongoing conversation. Dialogue

01:00:30.710 --> 01:00:32.590
is here. They're just letting people listen in.

01:00:33.010 --> 01:00:35.309
But we've talked about this before and it's helped

01:00:35.309 --> 01:00:39.050
me because it got me thinking, why am I posting

01:00:39.050 --> 01:00:42.510
this? Am I posting this to be seen? Now, here's

01:00:42.510 --> 01:00:44.849
the thing that happens. And anyone who starts

01:00:44.849 --> 01:00:47.469
down this road is going to realize it. It changes

01:00:47.469 --> 01:00:50.550
your filter. It changes your lens. So you're

01:00:50.550 --> 01:00:54.030
going to start noticing friends that they're

01:00:54.030 --> 01:00:56.309
posting because they're wanting people to pay

01:00:56.309 --> 01:00:59.070
attention to them. That's it. And it's this need

01:00:59.070 --> 01:01:02.829
to be seen, need to be noticed, need to be recognized.

01:01:02.869 --> 01:01:06.150
And that includes commenting. It even includes

01:01:06.150 --> 01:01:10.230
hitting the like button. All of that is... is

01:01:10.230 --> 01:01:13.489
narcissism. You know what I found out? When I

01:01:13.489 --> 01:01:16.570
just, when I put my screen down and I'm gaining

01:01:16.570 --> 01:01:19.849
about an hour a morning right now, because usually

01:01:19.849 --> 01:01:23.070
I'll post that I'm just being transparent. And

01:01:23.070 --> 01:01:27.369
then I wait to see who, and I've just stopped

01:01:27.369 --> 01:01:30.269
doing that. Cause now, because I'm not posting

01:01:30.269 --> 01:01:32.449
anything else. I'm not posting my picture of

01:01:32.449 --> 01:01:36.960
my steak, picture of my new awesome thermometer,

01:01:37.539 --> 01:01:40.760
the meter. Normally, I was thinking about this.

01:01:41.260 --> 01:01:43.219
The other day, I'm out there with my meter using

01:01:43.219 --> 01:01:44.719
it for the first time and I thought, I should

01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:48.880
take a picture of that. And I thought, why? Why?

01:01:49.539 --> 01:01:52.280
Why? It's because I want people to go, that's

01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.400
cool. Yeah. And listen, I know not all of it's

01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:58.420
nefarious. I mean, let's just be real. We want

01:01:58.420 --> 01:02:01.179
to communicate and be a community with people.

01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:04.460
So it's not all bad. Sometimes I think I come

01:02:04.460 --> 01:02:06.699
off sounding that way, but it's not. Sometimes

01:02:06.699 --> 01:02:08.920
I think it's cool to post your kid's first day

01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:12.800
going to school or your kid got an A on a paper.

01:02:13.579 --> 01:02:15.639
Because you've got grandparents looking at, you've

01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:17.619
got aunts and uncles and cousins looking at your

01:02:17.619 --> 01:02:21.280
account. So I don't think it's all bad when it's

01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:24.840
actually social media, but it's turned into something

01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:26.900
else. It's turned into what I call performance

01:02:26.900 --> 01:02:31.280
media. And so I think that's, I love what you

01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:33.619
just said there because it really resonated with

01:02:33.619 --> 01:02:35.900
me as I'm just starting to ask why am I doing

01:02:35.900 --> 01:02:39.780
this? And that stopped about 99 % of me posting

01:02:39.780 --> 01:02:44.340
honestly, straight up. And I'm glad you brought

01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:47.969
that up because it does your journey. to weaning

01:02:47.969 --> 01:02:50.889
off of this starts with not posting. Exactly.

01:02:51.050 --> 01:02:53.550
That's really where it starts. And yeah, if you

01:02:53.550 --> 01:02:56.110
just ask, why am I actually doing this? And why

01:02:56.110 --> 01:02:58.769
am I looking at this newsfeed? I don't know most

01:02:58.769 --> 01:03:02.030
of these people, but I'm scrolling, right? Yeah.

01:03:02.030 --> 01:03:06.170
Like I said, that gif of the guy scrolling. And

01:03:06.170 --> 01:03:08.849
that was one of the big, you know, when we started

01:03:08.849 --> 01:03:11.710
news feeds, which actually comes from the blogging

01:03:11.710 --> 01:03:17.369
world, RSS. And it was really beautiful, because

01:03:17.369 --> 01:03:20.289
you would subscribe to 10, 20. People had Google

01:03:20.289 --> 01:03:21.849
Reader. I don't know if you remember Google Reader.

01:03:22.130 --> 01:03:24.949
That was basically the early version. That was

01:03:24.949 --> 01:03:27.789
podcasting before we had audio files. You subscribed,

01:03:28.090 --> 01:03:30.889
and then you would get the updates. And at a

01:03:30.889 --> 01:03:34.150
certain point, you'd reach the bottom. And that

01:03:34.150 --> 01:03:36.690
would be the end. And there was nothing else

01:03:36.690 --> 01:03:39.920
new. That was amazing because then you like put

01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:42.880
it down like okay, I'm bored because I've read

01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:45.199
everything You're done. I remember that and then

01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.900
they came up with infinite scroll. Yes, and that's

01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:52.119
where the algos start feeding your scroll Exactly

01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.260
based on what you just did. Yep. So instead of

01:03:55.260 --> 01:03:57.760
infinite scroll think of infinite Scripture.

01:03:58.219 --> 01:04:00.300
I'm just trying to come up with stuff. What's

01:04:00.300 --> 01:04:03.519
interesting, you and I, this is episode eight,

01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:05.980
right? Yes, it is. We end up at the same place.

01:04:05.980 --> 01:04:08.079
Every single time. We come back to this because

01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:11.380
we see that it's such a big issue right now with

01:04:11.380 --> 01:04:14.440
people. I think it's stealing. Listen to this.

01:04:15.179 --> 01:04:17.860
I stated this on Sunday, if we're ready to land

01:04:17.860 --> 01:04:21.940
the plane. There is a spiritual war for the control

01:04:21.940 --> 01:04:25.960
of your soul. It's an assault. of the heart,

01:04:26.260 --> 01:04:31.099
and it can often manifest in the natural. This

01:04:31.099 --> 01:04:34.199
is what's happening. The enemy is like, I can't

01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:37.059
kill you. You're a Christian, but I can certainly

01:04:37.059 --> 01:04:41.059
control you. I can manipulate you. I can deceive

01:04:41.059 --> 01:04:45.239
you. I can take you off your God assignment because

01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:47.719
I could get you scrolling for hours, wasting

01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:50.980
time, killing time. One of the things I said

01:04:50.980 --> 01:04:54.300
I don't negotiate with is wasting time. And so

01:04:54.300 --> 01:04:57.619
I'm getting better as I continue to state this

01:04:57.619 --> 01:05:00.179
over my life. It's a process. It doesn't happen

01:05:00.179 --> 01:05:02.400
overnight. You just make decision after decision.

01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:04.599
Brother, you didn't just land the plane. You

01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:08.199
put three wheels on the numbers, right there

01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:10.340
on the numbers. Can I end on a good scripture?

01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:14.280
This is helpful. Please. It's very common, but

01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:16.739
most folks have heard this probably. John 10,

01:05:16.739 --> 01:05:20.699
10, the thief comes only to steal, kill, and

01:05:20.699 --> 01:05:23.599
destroy. I'm glad it doesn't end there. The next

01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:27.260
one, Jesus flips the script, I came, Jesus came,

01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:30.679
that they may have life and have it abundantly.

01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:34.500
That's the heart of God for us, to have an abundant,

01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:39.219
full life, not full of this, you know, I'm touching

01:05:39.219 --> 01:05:43.719
my phone, but a full life that's life giving.

01:05:44.460 --> 01:05:47.280
And when we're all doing that together, it's

01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:51.539
amazing how community just happens. Brother,

01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:54.539
perfect way to land the plane. Thank you. See

01:05:54.539 --> 01:05:57.800
you next week. We get to do this again next week.