Father, we come before you. Adam and I, what
a privilege we get to do this. It's not just
a clever title. It is truly our heart that we
get to do what we're doing. We pray, Lord, for
anyone who would listen to our podcast and find
themselves encouraged, find themselves built
up, find themselves a little more informed than
they were, and, Father, find themselves seeking
more of God. That's our heart. And so, Lord,
we lay all this before you. Your word says that
you delight in the very details of our lives
and you order our steps and we trust you in it.
So Lord, as we do number 106, if we get to do
this, we love you and we honor you in Jesus name.
Amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, October 15th, 2025.
We get to do this. This is episode number six.
We get to do this. Hey, brother. That's catchy.
It sticks in your brain like glue. Jeff texted
me the other day, Jeff Smith, who made that for
us. He's like, are you going to be at the Dove
Awards? Are you in town for the Dove Awards?
I'm like, no, no, brother, I don't think so.
I know I'm in the scene now, but not like that.
Oh, that's funny. By the way, you said episode
106. I wish we had 106. Because Annette and I
did episode 106 on Sunday. I knew exactly what
it was. I thought for a second, I've been on
a lot of podcasts lately. They're running together
now. You were a natural born podcaster. It's
so much fun. This is the thing. I love it. You're
good at it. Well, I like to talk, so that's...
We are professional talkers. As you were saying
that prayer, I was thinking... You know, the
power of the podcast, we saw that just Saturday
night. We had dinner with Patrick Coble, who
is a longtime No Agenda listener. I mean, back
to, you know, episode one, he's been listening
to Living Up in a Down World, to Curry and the
Keeper. That was Sunday night. Was it Sunday
night? Bro, you and I both are... Hey, we're
living the dream, but we're meeting ourselves
coming and going, right? No, no, no. You're right,
it was. I saw him Saturday at the meetup and
Sunday. I interrupted him. No, it was amazing.
You guys came back because we both had our shows
and meetups. The life of a pastor is a show,
a meetup, a show, a meetup, and then trying to
get out. whooped by then. And you both did the
show. Once again, fantastic. I loved how you
do the, oops, I just lost, everything's good.
I just, I don't know. For some reason, my screen
went blank. It's gremlins. Not today. Not today.
you know it's so good this was your second the
second of two of doing the podcast on stage and
was about family as you're doing the uh faith
family freedom uh series and man it's just the
room everyone loves it it's so good and again
dame annette has no idea how good she is it's
it's just amazing she's like oh i'm nervous i
don't like this you know i'm not gonna talk today
That's your famous line, I'm not going to talk
today. And I know that means I'm not going to
get to talk today. So Patrick Coble, he's a tech
guy and he's, you know, he roams all over the
world, does speeches. does something called pen
testing, penetration testing. So go to your company,
he'll break in. And he does weird stuff. He'll
go up to the front desk and say, hey, I just
got here. HR doesn't have my details, but I forgot
my key card. They'll give him a key card. He'll
break right into the server room. And then he'll
go back later to the CEO and say, here it is.
I got your database, everything else. So he usually
has those clients once. That's what he said.
And they're like, OK. I didn't really realize
that. He said that some companies will have 500
corrections to do. They don't want him back.
He'll check a year later. We got 300 left. We're
working on it. That's a problem. He was in town.
He just showed up to our meetup. He's done this,
by the way, in London, in the Netherlands, in
Tokyo. He just shows up for a meetup. Vegas.
We've seen him so many different times. He showed
up unannounced at the Fredericksburg meetup,
which was great. And then Sunday, he came to
church, he worshiped with us. I saw his hands
up, which was amazing. That made my heart happy.
Are you aware of the people when you're... Because
you were playing, you were in the worship team.
Are you aware of people? Are you looking at people?
Yeah, I got the best view in the house. I'm looking
at everybody's faces. I got another question
about that later for today. Yeah, keep that tuned.
And this, we had dinner and you... So nice you
guys came back. Patrick got barbecue for us,
got pies from Blue Bonnet, I know. Death death
by a thousand pies no kidding so good though,
but he he was really sharing his testimony and
a lot of his life and I know I appreciated that
and you know, he's a Veteran of the Iraq Wars
and not just Iraq Fallujah. I know Fallujah when
he started telling his story. Yeah, he could
have gone all night I could sit there and listen
to that literally for hours. I got real emotional
sometimes. I did too because of what those guys
went through and just what he was sharing. I'm
not going to go into any detail, but what I just
can't imagine. what you would carry, the weight
you would carry after having to do what he had
to do. And so what he was telling us is that
through Curry and the Keeper and then living
up in a down world, God brought him back to faith,
brought him back through these podcasts. And
to me, I was saying to Tina that night, this
makes it all worth it, even if it's just one
guy. Exactly. This is why we do this. Yes. And
like I said, I've been on a bunch of them lately,
like five lately, six different ones. Anyway,
and I love every one of them because I'm thinking
in my mind somebody may hear something that's
going to lift them, it's going to encourage them,
it's going to help them. And it's so critical.
And so to me, I see what we're doing here is
just another extension of what we do in our daily
lives. I mean, we're talking to people, we're
sharing our faith. We're looking at the things
that are going on in our world and our culture
through a biblical lens. And instead of, you
know, anything you get online or your news feed,
it's not going to be through a biblical lens.
It's going to be through the cultural lens. Oh,
I got stuff about that today, brother. Oh, I
bet you do. But first, some feedback from Carl.
Carl sent me a note. He said, Adam, I spent my
whole life in church, but up to the last couple
of years, I really didn't live it out. Your faith
walk and the way you share your faith has been
an inspiration to me. He said, I've started to
use your trick of praying before meals, went
out with friends, and I've been engaging with
people at work about Jesus and God and more.
Before that, he said, I would stay out of any
discussion. Your podcast with Pastor Jimmy has
been truly a great addition to my listening.
I really like the way you both weave the gospel
into current events, and I'm sure it will lead
me to discuss more things in this manner. I really
needed this positive voice in my life to keep
me reminded of what's important. Thank you both
for putting this podcast out there. It's the
top of my list. Every single time you release
a new one, we need more podcasts with guys just
talking about their walks with God. It really
is no agenda through the lens of the Bible, which
I liked. It's just mind blowing, mind blowing.
So talking about getting notes, I got a great
note from Dame Jamie, and she was talking about
AI and how She was a little disturbed talking
about it, thinking it was a bad thing, because
she said she's found a good use for it, and that's
doing Bible search. Oh, of course. Which is great.
I use it all the time. Especially because it
gives you links and sources. That's fine. Absolutely.
It's a very expensive way for Google to do business,
but it's fine by me. They're not going to make
any money on me doing a search of my Bible, but
it's definitely helpful. And yet, she also shared
a little backstory, and I'm not going to go into
details, but her daughter went through a very
rough time, very difficult time. And she goes
into what happened and how she got caught up
in some things. And yet also how through prayer
and she started listening to the audio Bible,
Jamie did, and just began to give her hope and
give her grace. And now that time passed, her
daughter's back and she's doing well and she's
thriving. And she sent me a picture of her and
her daughter. And it's just, it's one of those
things where you hear things like that. She said,
the more podcasts I listen to that are faith
-based, the more Christian songs I play for my
family to hear. And the more I reference my decision
-making is backed by something from the Bible.
Hence why I've been using perplexity for the
Bible health. The more my daughter is smiling
and enjoying life again and letting me hug her
again. And I'm just like... Oh, thank you for
this amazing feedback. Dame Jamie, we so appreciate
you and very curious about the rabbitry thing.
Just because it's different, it's not normal.
She's doing stuff, man. I like it, though. Anyway,
just a huge thanks to her for taking the time
to share that. That's just so encouraging for
us. Oh, it makes it, I mean. Besides, we just
wanted to catch up. We just hit record now when
we're catching up. It has become a little more
complicated because I'm like, no, no, brother,
there's something I got to say, but I got to
hold onto that to the show. I just got to hold
onto it. Our new category for normal conversations.
Show material. Let's not talk about the hair.
We'll just save it. In our ongoing conversation
about social media, something amazing popped
up for me today. Thank you, Holy Spirit. It's
like, you got to talk about this. It's actually
a substack by a guy named Derek Thompson. I'll
put it in the show notes. And the title is, Everything
is Television. And what's really fascinating
about this is, you know, we often think that,
you know, you're really getting a reach on social
media. You know, you're posting something to
Facebook. you know, like it really makes some
kind of difference. And this statistic, this
fact actually just blew me away. Metta, who own
Facebook and Instagram, so they filed, they have
an official filing with the FTC, Federal Trade
Commission. And the reason they had to do this
is because there's new legislation coming down
the pike about social media websites, and it'll
be age verification. There's tons of regulation
incoming all across the world, really. And they
said, well, we just want you to know, we really
can't be classified as social media anymore.
You're kidding me. Because of the FTC filing.
Listen to this. Today, this is their actual filing.
Today, only a fraction of time spent on meta
services, 7 % on Instagram, 17 % on Facebook,
involves consuming content from online friends.
A majority of time spent on both apps is watching
videos, increasingly short form videos that are
unconnected, i .e. not from a friend or a followed
account. and recommended by AI powered algorithms,
Meta developed as a direct competitive response
to TikTok's rise, which stalled Meta's growth.
What this tells me is that there is no social
media. It's everybody is doom scrolling video,
which means podcasting is perfect. It's intentional.
You are intentionally listening to something.
Yeah, you may be doom scrolling at the same time,
but that seems kind of counterproductive. We're
in people's heads, literally in their ears, we're
in their car, when you can't scroll video, when
you're walking the dog, when you're doing all
these other things. Never before have I seen
a statistic that made me feel podcasting was
more important at right now. In addition to that,
we got real problems as a culture. If that's
what we're spending our time doing, if that's
what the majority of time on social media, and
by the way, I'm sure X is exactly the same, because
you hit a video, it scrolls to the next one,
it scrolls to the next one, it keeps on going.
This is, I mean, I'm just like, wow, this is
sick. We are, and it's not even from your friends.
It's just from stuff that has been recommended
by an artificial intelligence algorithm. So the
fraction of what was positive about social media
is that you do, oh my gosh, I just see that my
daughter -in -law just posted a picture of my
grandson Jackson, you know, getting a reward
at school or whatever, you know, where that was
a positive thing. And those were things that
we used to do on social media. But now it's all
video clips. Facebook has become Instagram and
Instagram has become Facebook. They're the same.
Well, they're all video. It's all about short
form video from people you don't know going,
ah, ah, ah, ah. Or like Annette getting caught
up in the AI moment. You would love this. Are
you going to throw your wife under the bus now?
I am because she probably won't listen to this.
Funny how that works with podcasting. I think
I can get away with it here. So like two nights
ago, she's, I think it was Sunday actually. And
she's like, oh my gosh. And when she says that,
what she's saying is, honey, come over here and
look at this. Come look at this. Come look, look,
look. I don't know why she didn't say, honey,
come look at this. But she's got to go, oh my
gosh. Don't scare me and the dog, Mr. Chevy.
Get startled. And I said, so I walk over. Yeah,
what'd you find? She goes, look at this is unbelievable.
And I said, OK, let me see it. And it was this
hawk soaring in, picking up a baby off the ground.
And a dog was trying to stop it. It was so obviously
fake. So AI. And the hawk starts to fly off and
the little baby's dangling and the hawk drops
it from like three or four feet and the mom picks
up the baby. It is so terribly done. The transitions
are horrible. I'm sitting there going. oh my
gosh is right. What I'm oh my goshin' baby is
that you actually believe that's a real video.
I said, that's AI. It is? And I said, oh, you
see the next one, next to that reel, let's see
that reel, that's AI too. And you see those bunny,
those 50 bunny, you know, bunnies jumping on
their trampoline at night in a night camp. That's
fake. She's like... I can't believe anything.
That's correct. There you go. Put down your screens,
pick up your Bibles, people. Brother, you're
in my head on that. Well, and there's another
piece in here from that same substack, which
refers to another one of my favorite books by
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death, which
was really the warning of the television age.
He said, hey, television is a real problem. If
you really think about when you're watching television,
you're being lied to every five seconds. And
with that, I mean jump cuts to another scene.
You're inside. Boom, you're outside. Your head
fills in all the rest of the information. So
true. Mood, music, everything, snap, close up,
all of this stuff. So here's the paragraph I
wanted to share. In amusing ourselves to death,
Neil Postman wrote that each medium, like language
itself, makes possible a unique mode of discourse
by providing a new orientation for thought, for
expression, for sensibility. Television speaks
to us in a particular dialect, Postman argued.
When everything turns into television, every
form of communication starts to adopt television's
values, immediacy, emotion, spectacle, and brevity.
In the global local news program or an outraged
news feed, so this is the author of the Substack,
The viewer bathes in a vat of their own cortisol.
Wow. That's descriptive. When everything is urgent,
nothing is truly important. Politics becomes
theater. Science becomes storytelling. News becomes
performance. The results, Postman warned, is
a society that forgets how to think in paragraphs
and learns instead to think in scenes. Wow. Right?
Right? Right? He nailed it. He put into words
what we're feeling. And what we're trying to
say, what we're trying to express, what's happening.
That's powerful. It's a great article. It goes
on to talk about how when television first came
out, there was like no one had a television in
their bedroom. Now it's like some outrageous
number, like 95 % of all bedrooms have television.
What and people aren't even watching television.
They're watching YouTube. They're watching videos.
They're doom -scrolling I know this is reset
me again because you know, I still fall prey
to it because it's like crack there's literally
crack in my hand every single morning and I used
to enjoy some drugs and You know, hey, it's here.
It's here right now. I think I'll have some right
now. This is you know, that's it's so dangerous
because it's so accepted. And people are walking
on the street with the crack. And they're looking
at the crack as they're actually consuming the
crack as they're walking down the street. I mean,
you see it all the time. I just wanted to highlight
it because when you get these stats and it's
all this video, and then you adding on top of
that how much of it's fake, but we're already
ready to perceive it as real. It's totally believable.
Of course this happened. Of course. Why not?
I mean, it's something that It could happen.
So when the Antichrist comes on the scene, we
won't know the difference. We won't even know.
It may work against him. You have a good point.
So many people talk about the Antichrist. I remember
before I was a believer, way before that, Obama
was the Antichrist. Do we even know what the
Antichrist will be? I mean, is there biblical
scripture that you can point to that helps us
understand? Or you're shaking your head no. There's
hints. I mean, that's one of those very veiled
things that I think the Lord knew better than
to give us too much because we would really have
a runaway. We're going to do it anyway. But the
more info we have, I think he knows exactly the
heart of man. He knows our mentality or thinking.
He knows that if he gave us too much information,
we'd never pay attention to anything again. So
he keeps things mystical. They're mysteries.
And I've always said, unless you as a Christian
are able to embrace and accept mystery, you're
going to have to live a miserable Christian life.
It's okay to not know everything. Right. Now,
it's hard for people in the Western world to
accept, especially these days when we have perplexity
in chat, GPT, right here in our hands. They tell
us the truth. Oh, absolutely. By the way, I looked
up. I got to show you something. This falls right
in, but it's kind of a little caveat. So it's
Pastor Appreciation Month. Is that from Sir Patrick
Cobel? I don't know where these came from. Yes,
he gave me one too. It was in the bag with the
eggnog. Oh, okay. Thank you. I've got several
things. I get them a little mixed up. And there
wasn't any names on this. But anyway, so yeah,
this is so cool, right? The primer, our primer,
as they said. But this is the one that's actually
from, this is an actual - OG, OG, is it the New
England Primer? What is it called? This is the
New England Primer. It was the original - School
book. School book. Yeah. And it was all based
on the Bible. They used scripture. They used
Adam and Eve. I mean, I was, I was, it's a little
hard to read by the way. The S's are F's and
the F's are S's. So it gets a little wild. I
was going, if I had to read this out loud, it
would be very embarrassing. But I was reading
through it and all the examples, everything in
it and how they taught the alphabet and how they
taught numbers, all biblical references. But
we're not a Christian country. Or company. We
don't have a company. I looked this specific
one up because it was in a plastic bag like this,
and it looked like it was old. So I was like,
this looks like the real deal. It's original.
It's a reprint from... 1901. Okay. So when was
the reprint done? Well, the original print was
in the 1700s. Oh, so this is a 1901 print? Yeah.
Wow. 1901. Wow. Is that cool or what? That's
very cool. I so appreciate that. Man, just holding
it makes me feel weird, but I mean, like in a
good way. And that's what we used to teach. That's
what we used to teach. That's what I'm saying.
I mean, you know, there was, oh, my point was,
let me get back to my point. Point was I looked
it up on chat GPT and I read off this and when
was this actually printed? It's so 1900. I see
great So then I went over to perplexity and did
the exact same I actually copied the the prompt
copy it in there and they said oh between 1920
and 1930 so then I went back to chat GPT did
again The first time is 1900 same time as 1901.
So I got three different answers three different
questions three same questions. Yeah So it's
like, what can you believe? You know? The Bible.
20s, 30s. The Word of God is all we can believe
at this point. Brother, I'm telling you, we're
in trouble. Well, yes and no. I mean, so we had
this meetup in Fredericksburg, and there was
a noticeable amount of Gen Z people who were
there. Love that. Listeners. Cause you know,
I make a lot of fun of Gen Z, can't read clock,
can't write cursive, you know, Florida ounces,
you know, all kinds of stuff. And they're actually
like, they're kind of say, yeah, we have, we
have our issues, but they, and by the way, young
married in their mid twenties, kids are pregnant.
I mean, and it's like, Hey, you know, we're really
different. And the reason why is we, we really
the only hardship we had was in high school,
and that was COVID. And I'm like, oh, wow, I
didn't even realize that this whole generation
that has come up, they were in high school during
COVID. And I think that, you know, what is it,
easy times make for weak men, weak men make for
hard times, hard times make for hard men. I think
this is a new generation. And yes, we've lost
a lot of them, we have. to doom scrolling and
total psy -up, transgenderism. All of that exploded
during COVID and that was online and on purpose
as far as I'm concerned. But they're like, I
mean, all that I could hear in my head while
I'm talking to them is Lonnie Frisbie saying,
there's a whole generation out there just searching
for God, man. And they're like, yes, this is
exactly, and they are, they're just searching
for this stuff. And they say, you know, we didn't
have a Vietnam. We didn't really have Iraq. We
didn't have, you know, even the Great Depression,
Great Recession of 2008. We didn't really have
that. What we were given was Israel. We were
given Israel to hate. Wow. That makes sense.
As sad as it is, it makes sense of why it's their
thing. Remember we played the clips of Charlie
Kirk talking to Gen Z, and they were saying,
hey, if I'm going to be accused of the crime,
I might as well commit it. And so there's a lot
of misinformation and a lot of just a lot of
disinformation, I should say. And it really,
there's a couple of things that happened. And
I brought some clips to talk about it. And the
first one is, well, I should say, I've had some
conversations with some pastors and talking to
different people. And we've been talking about
this for a while now, but it dawned on me that
not all pastors are really seeing what's happening.
Most people aren't seeing what's happening. and
they're hearing about Zionism and Israel, and
they're not really tuned in to what this new
generation has been fed, what they're thinking,
what they're talking about. And even Glenn Beck,
Glenn Beck went, you know, everyone's trying
to jump on, and I love Glenn, but everyone's
trying to jump into Charlie's vacuum, like, oh,
you know, Crowder's going out. I'm going to do,
you know, I'm going to rekindle the ask me anything
on campuses. And Glenn Beck, went out to, you
know, was going out to college campuses with
the blackboard, which I find hilarious because
I'm sure a lot of these... Blackboard? An actual
chalkboard? You know his chalkboard? We call
those a chartboard. You know, he used to do that
a lot on Fox News and he'd draw all these arrows
and everything and always ended up at Soros at
the end. That was basically, that was his chalkboard.
So he's showing up with a chalkboard and I'm
sure that this generation is going... What is
that thing? Wait, he's erasing it with some device.
Where's the power button? This is amazing. How
can we get one of these? This is a cool thing.
Does Apple make those? And so he was getting
questions that he could not... There's a fly
in here that is just driving me nuts. Be as a
bulb in the Bible. I can catch these in mid -air,
you watch. And he was getting asked questions
that he had no... answer for, and the disinformation
was just was mind -boggling. Have a listen to
this. I have a question. Why is there this societal
taboo around criticisms of Israel? For example,
APEC doesn't have to register as a foreign lobby,
but like the Australia lobby does, and that should
see changed. You're talking about one thing they
don't teach in school? They don't teach about
the USS Liberty. Where Israel literally came,
looping American ship because they want us to
get in their war with Egypt and they don't teach
that in school. I mean, I'm just saying. Thank
you. Thank you very much. Israel has an overwhelming
lobby over the United States government and we
have unconditionally supported them. We have
fought their wars in the Middle East. Bibi Netanyahu
came to our Congress in the 90s, told us a list
of countries that we need to take out. Somewhere
Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, etc. Through those
wars, we have lost trillions of dollars. We have
lost American servicemen. Okay, so a couple of
things here. The USS Liberty is definitely something
that needs to be explored. There's no doubt about
it. But when it comes to this complete twisting
of the truth about Bibi Netanyahu coming to Congress
in the early 90s, that could not be further from
the truth. This is something that General Wesley
Clark told that it was actually Paul Wolfowitz,
not him, but it came through the ranks. This
was the strategy of the State Department and
really the US strategy to control the Middle
East and to take out seven countries in five
years. This led into, and this is the neoconservatives,
and in my opinion, a bunch of really bad people
who did all this. I want to dispel that, but
first, as I'm listening to this, as I'm listening
to people in the church kind of glossing over
it, kind of not listening, you know, hearing
some Zionist stuff and not seeing what Gen Z
is yelling and saying, hey, we're out here, we
think this stuff, what's going on with this.
It reminded me of another Glenn Beck episode
with Eric Metaxas, right after he wrote a letter
to the American church. And this is a brief blurb
of what he said. You know, the lie that he was
dealing with in his day, it's the same lie we're
dealing with in our day, which just let me...
I should probably set it up better and say that
as I was thinking about this, and I think I said
to you, I said, I've seen this movie before.
Not just from growing up in the Netherlands,
but I've seen this movie before. In fact, we
saw it together. It's the movie Bonhoeffer. And
that's what Eric Metaxas, that's what his letter
to the American Church was about, and that's
what he's referring to here. You know, the lie
that he was dealing with in his day, it's the
same lie we're dealing with in our day, which
is what led me to write my book, Letter to the
American Church. What would Bonhoeffer say today?
It's the same excuses being given by the church.
We don't do politics. What do you mean you don't
do politics? Slavery is an issue, and you say,
well, we don't take a position. That's political.
We just do church. How can you do church and
not take an issue on enslaving human beings?
That's politics. My hero William Wilberforce,
I wrote a biography of William Wilberforce. He
was a politician who, because of his Christian
faith, said, I must stand against the slave trade.
This is a satanic abomination treating human
beings like this. I'm going to use politics and
culture and whatever I can do to change the laws.
That's our duty as Christians. It's our duty
as Americans. And so Bonhoeffer was trying to
get the church to see it in his day. And again,
many were like, we don't want any trouble. We're
just going to do church. We'll let the evil take
over. We don't care. It's not affecting us. It's
affecting the Jews. God judges that if you don't
speak up for those who are being crushed. So
there it is. And that was the prevailing wisdom
at the time in the church in Germany was just
sing louder, turn up the music so we don't hear
the freight. You've preached about this. And
so I go searching and the Holy Spirit does this
to me time and time again. And I find this one
minute clip from Charlie Kirk about his vision
and his vision for Turning Point USA. Our vision,
and it might be foolishly optimistic, but I've
been called that before, and now you can kind
of see it. We want a thousand Dietrich Bonhoeffers.
We're not going to say like we're going to create
them. I want to find them and encourage them.
That's it. Find and encourage. Find and encourage.
That's it. Because I'm not going to train people.
I just want to find and encourage. Here's a branding
I did. Dietrich Bonhoeffer died as a martyr.
Go with a thousand Martin Luthers. It's got a
little more. That's fair. I like the Bonhoeffer
example because of the circumstances, the tyranny.
Yeah, but you know, I also like the Bonhoeffer
because I never want to make anyone feel as if
I'm being anything but honest It's gonna cost
us something God forbid our life like that But
eventually we're all gonna have to go to heaven
and so Bonhoeffer is the example of hey I'm willing
to sacrifice everything I have for God's purpose
on earth, but I hear you it's not exactly the
greatest salesperson I'd rather die in a glorious
martyrdom then by getting a burrito stuck in
my throat Say you die twice when you actually
die in the last time somebody mentions your name
Bonhoeffer will be mentioned I think as long
as human beings How about that clip? Oh, that
is prophetic. Right? That is like spooky almost.
And it tells me a couple of things. You know
exactly where Charlie stood. And, you know, and
so all this noise about, you know, he was turning
against the Jews. He was turning against Israel.
No. Individual donors who threaten to pull their
money, I get that on a daily basis. Please pull
your money, whatever. I'm not going to be controlled
by you or by your money. And so that's important
for people to hear where Charlie really stood.
And the fact that, I mean, just the propheticness
of what he was saying about Bonhoeffer and how
that applies to himself is mind blowing to me.
Wow. I mean, really, that's a wow moment. I mean,
he called it. He called it. He called it. He
said, you know, even if we have to lose our lives,
you know, but we're going to be with God, we're
going to be in heaven. I mean, he had, he lived
with that mentality. I love the, now I read letter
to the American church and I had a friend that
was reading it at the same time. And we had wildly
different interpretations. Oh, really? Interesting.
Oh yeah. He was, he was very against Bonhoeffer.
He said Bonhoeffer was a criminal and he was
executed for what he did. He did not see the
same thing I did. He said he was an alarmist
and I said, but he was right. Exactly what he
was concerned about happened. And he said, yeah,
but he, you know, but he was a criminal because
he he joined the side that was going to go after
Adolf Hitler. So he was going to kill him. But
he didn't, and he wasn't in the actual plan too.
It was his brother that was a part of this resistance.
He was a part of it, but he also believed that
it was just. But that guy was so sidetracked
that Bonhoeffer would side with somebody who
was going to try to take somebody out. And I
said, but did you see what Bonhoeffer did? Do
you understand that because he didn't get taken
out, he literally decimated millions of people
lives that still we heard from today destroyed
his own country? Well, not really his country.
He wasn't born there, but, you know, claimed
to be German. So destroyed Germany for all practical
intents and purposes. But anyway, to hear Charlie
talking about it. You know, the Bonhoeffer. I
mean, that's huge. And particularly today, as
we speak, the ceasefire in Gaza, the return of
the hostages, and conversely, the return of the
prisoners. I haven't looked at the news in 15
minutes. Is it still holding? Oh, it's holding.
And mind blowing was President Trump's, in the
afternoon, he had all of the Arab nation leaders,
all of them, all of them. And they were all thanking
him. I mean, General Sisi of Egypt, he was like,
President Trump saved millions of people's lives.
And so kind of going into Bonhoeffer, where you
just said, and President Trump, there's this
article I found on American Thinker, and the
title is, God is consistent. He always chooses
the bad boys to do his greatest work. And I wanted
to bring this up because references a couple
of biblical figures, and I just want you know
this much better than I do. God chose Samson,
Jacob, and Peter, all of whom were deeply flawed
liars and unpleasant characters who went on to
accomplish great things for the kingdom of God.
He talks about God chose Moses, a murderer, to
deliver an entire people from slavery. God chose
Abraham, a liar, and a man who acquiesced to
Sarah's insistence that he sleep with Hagar,
a servant, to have a child pass their... Oh,
that's a big word, Jimmy, fecundity, facundity.
Wow. He looked that one up. Synonyms, please.
Someone looked it up, yeah. Jack J .B .T. Cinnamon.
Thoughts? Your thoughts? Well, I mean, he went
right to the popular biblical figures. I was
thinking King Cyrus of Persia. I was thinking
of Nebuchadnezzar who saw the writing on the
wall and ended up eating grass out in a field
because he rebelled against God, but yet God
used him. Or King Artaxerxes who sent Nehemiah
back to... to Jerusalem while they were in exile
and said, here's your blank check. Whatever you
want, you get, you go rebuild your wall. He used
pagan kings. He used people who had no, who were,
when I say pagan, I mean, you know, pantheism.
I mean, they had multiple gods. They believed
in other things. And yet he used them because
the Bible says in the book of Psalms or Proverbs,
I think it's Psalms, he says that the king's
heart is in his hand. and he turns it where he
wills. So while we're sitting back on one view
looking at it, it's like, oh, this guy's, we're
chicken little, the sky's falling, the sky's
falling. And God's like, I got this. And I'm
going to turn it this way and you're not going
to like it. But it's going to accomplish my purposes.
Because God being infinite in nature and us being
finite in nature, we can't wrap our minds around.
His knowledge is too high. The scripture says,
We can't understand it. Nor should we. Yeah,
exactly. And the thought that we even do is just
precocious and arrogant. So I thought about those
characters. You're naming off all the popular
guys. I'm going, wait, wait, wait. No, no. I'm
talking about the - That's me, Jimmy. I'm a populist.
No, no, no. I'm thinking about the kings. Yeah.
You know, when I like, you know, like in a president
or whatever, for all practical intents and purposes
with the templates we have. So I think about,
I was actually thinking about Trump because Oh,
who's the guy from Fox News that always was given
that last girl big hard time? Jesse Waters? No,
no, no. No, he was, he was part of the press
pool. Oh, Peter Doocy. Yeah, Doocy. I used to
like that guy. So especially when he's on, just
on a roll. He was actually questioning Trump
on an airplane, I think on Air Force One. And
he said, hey, do you think you're going to go
to heaven? And Trump was like, oh, wow. He went
him -hawing. And he goes, I don't know. Maybe
I'm not. He doesn't quite know what it takes.
So what happens was everybody jumps on that.
Of course. And I'm just thinking, OK, I did not.
vote for him to be my pastor. I voted for him
to be our president and to lead us out of the
mess that we've gotten ourselves into, and he's
doing it. He's doing a phenomenal job. He doesn't
do everything the way I want him to. He says
stuff I just cringe, you know, please go back
to the script, you know, get back on your teleprompter.
But again, I voted for a man who's on the edge.
I voted for a man who, for practical intents
and purpose, is not safe. He's dangerous. Kind
of like Aslan. Yeah, there you go. A beautiful
outlaw, you know, from John Oates talking about
the wildness of Jesus. So to me, I actually agree
with that. I mean, God does use... The bad boys.
The bad boys to get it done. I love that so much.
Look at people who move the needle in the earth,
in the world. They're not your normal people.
Ever. And they're not your safe people. They're
people like Steve Jobs. They're people who are
a little on the edge and sometimes a lot, but
they move the needle. They leave Awake bodies
behind them, but they change things in the larger
landscape of the world and history. And so there's
a lot of eccentricity about leaders at that level.
So that's how I see Trump. He's eccentric. Well,
and I bring this up for a series of clips that
I think are important. And I hope that this will
go far and wide, as you always pray before we
start the show. Because in my opinion, would
President Trump has done with this and is doing
is he is breaking apart a very, very old system
that has been in place really since the 70s.
And it has been, you can call them neoconservatives.
There's a lot of Jewish names, but that's all
by design. And I just want to play these clips
so people can understand, particularly our Gen
Z listeners. because you need to understand where
this came from and what President Trump has actually
been just blasting apart. And they're stunned.
They cannot believe what is happening. By the
way, it was so funny. So he went down this whole
list of people and Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister
of the UK, he's standing. who, by the way, only
hurt the process by calling for a two -state
solution, and that gave Hamas all kinds of extra,
oh, well, you might as well wait then for that.
And he went down this, he was thanking everybody,
he's giving everybody the props, and it's alphabetical.
And you see Starmer, for some reason, Starmer's
on the stage behind him. He just walked up there
and stood with Giorgia Maloney, who actually
does belong there, from Italy. And he gets to
the United Kingdom, and Starmer comes forward,
it's like he's gonna speak, and Trump just, body
checks him and jumps in front and you say, okay,
thanks, Kier. Wow. He just body checked him right
out. Like, whoop, no, you're not speaking here.
It's like a Wayne Gretzky move right there. He
let the guy from Egypt talk and from India and
Pakistan. Art of the deal brother those those
people they are true enemies in my opinion He
knows not the UK or the UK people But that system
is no good and and just think about who really
started this whole thing Drawing lines in the
desert and saying here you go. That was England
You know, and I don't think that they had good
intentions at the time. Anyway, this is Michael
Hudson Michael Hudson is an economist And he's
getting up there in the years now. He's in his
80s. And he has been interested. This is actually
from maybe even a year ago. It was so good. I
wanted to share it with you. He's talking about
the system that was set up in the 70s with the
State Department and why the aircraft carrier
in the desert was created, which is what our
military industrial complex still calls it, the
aircraft carrier. Hopefully this will dispel
any idea that people have that Israel controls
Trump, Israel controls our entire Congress, Israel
controls America. Israel just wants to draw us
into war. It was not Bibi Netanyahu who came
in the 90s and said it. It was these people that
did it. And this is what's being broken apart.
Everything that's happened today was planned
out just 50 years ago. Back in 1974, 1973 and
four, I sat in on meetings with the Red who became
Netanyahu's chief military advisor after heading
Mossad. And the whole strategy was worked out
essentially by the Defense Department, by neoliberals.
and almost in a series of stages that I'll explain.
Scoop Jackson is the main name to remember. Scoop
Jackson was the ultra right -wing neocon who
sponsored them all. He was the head of the Democratic
National Committee in 1960 and then worked with
military advisors. I was with Herman Kahn, the
model for Dr. Strangelove at the Hudson Institute
during these years. And I sat in. on meetings,
and I'll describe them. But I want to describe
how the whole strategy that led to the United
States today not wanting peace, wanting to take
over the whole Near East, took shape gradually.
OK, so you've got the setting here. It's military
industrial complex, which are the direct funders
through the American Israeli Education Foundation
of AIPAC, which is what everyone thinks Israel's
controlling it. Yeah. I'm sure there's some big
Jewish donors there, and I'm sure that we all
write resolutions, and it probably should be
registered under Farah, but it's Military Industrial
Complex who has run this from the beginning,
and that's what they're always doing. Before
you go forward, a couple of terms that we need
to... I'm going to pretend I don't know everything
that's been said. Please, good. NEOCONS. Well,
that's actually a good question. It stands for
NEO -Conservatives, and it was a group of...
This fly, this fly, he's so mine. I would just
call them the warmongers. They literally, so
was the Neo as a new, the new conservatives,
and they were really more involved in military
money and oil. The Middle East has always been
about resources. Same with Africa, by the way,
but that's kind of France. France and England,
BP, Total Oil, they all have Africa. We've kind
of stayed out of that. And how's that worked
out, by the way? That's really good in Africa.
So the Middle East has always been about oil,
gas, resources, et cetera. Pipelines, this is
what it's always been about. And if you look
at right into the Bush family, I know a lot of
people love Papa Bush, but they were oil guys.
They were big, big oil guys. And people like
Cheney, these are just, I'm sorry, these were
not good people. Not good people at all. One
other thing, neoliberals. What's a neoliberal
as opposed to a liberal? Well, I don't really
have an answer for that. Did he say that? Did
he say neoliberals? He did. Probably, I don't
have an answer for that. For me, and any of our
listeners who are not versed in this, I'm trying
to be on this learning curve. Well, I would say
they're two sides of the same coin, basically.
Neo -liberal, like Barack Obama is a liberal,
but he had a kill list. He droned people to death
every Tuesday. So it's two sides of the same
coin. Neo knew anything. Did they set this strategy
in place? And it's actually quite logical when
you think about it. The starting point for all
the US strategy here was that democracies no
longer can field a domestic army with a military
draft. America is not in a position able to really
field enough of an army to invade a country.
And without invading a country, you can't really
take it over. You can bomb it. But that just
is going to incite resistance. So this was recognized
50 years ago. And it seemed at that time that
the U .S.-backed wars were going to have to be
scaled down. But that hasn't happened. And the
reason is the United States had a fallback position.
It was going to rely on foreign troops to do
the fighting as proxies instead of itself. That
was a solution to get a force. Well, the first
example was to create the Wahhabi Jihad fighters
in Afghanistan as al -Qaeda. And Jimmy Carter
mobilized them against the secular Afghan interests.
And Carter justified this by saying, well, yes,
they're Muslims, but after all, we all believe
in God. So the answer to the secular state of
Afghan was Wahhabi fanaticism and jihad. And
the United States realized that in order to have
an army that's willing to fight to the last member
of its country, the last Afghan, the last Israeli,
the last Ukrainian, you really need a country
whose spirit is one of hatred towards the other,
a spirit very different from the American and
European spirit. Well, Brzezinski was the grand
planner who did all that. So this is critical
to understand. After Vietnam, you couldn't get
a draft together. You couldn't... I mean, 2009,
11 was different because it was like, hey, man,
we got attacked. We got to go literally got to
get the towel heads. I mean, that's how crazy
we were at the time. And That's for a whole other
show some other day. But this was the intent.
Let's get people who already hate the people
that we want to take out. And Ukraine is really,
really salient at this point because that's exactly
what it was. Who sparked this revolution? We
did. The same people. You know, Victoria Nuland.
I mean, the Wolfowitz guys then weren't there
anymore. But this is our State Department. Our
State Department was there handing out donuts
and cookies because they so desperately hated
Russia. Why Russia? Most oil in the entire world,
bigger than the whole Middle East. I know it's
weird to think about it, but that's it's really
the truth. It's always been about those resources.
So this is why Israel became like our foreign
legion, our aircraft carrier in the desert. I
would say the Brits were a big part of this with
their oil companies as well. They don't want
peace. They don't want peace. They want it to
be strife continuously, destabilize all of these
nations around them. When all of this strategy
was being put together, Herman Kahn's great achievement
was to convince the U .S. empire builders that
the key to achieving their control of the Middle
East was to rely on Israel as its foreign legion.
And that arm's -length arrangement enabled the
United States to play the role, as I said, of
the good God, designating Israel to play its
role. And Israel has organized and supplied al
-Nusra, al -Qaeda, while the United States pretends
to denounce them. And it's all part of a plan
that's been back... by the military, the State
Department, and the National Security Operation.
And that's why the State Department has turned
over management of U .S. diplomacy to Zionists,
seemingly distinguishing Israeli behavior from
U .S. empire building. But in a nutshell, the
Israelis have joined Al -Qaeda and ISIS's troops
as America's foreign legion. This is the point.
They got real zealots in there. They got real
Zionist haters who were like, whatever, we just
got to kill all Muslims, kill all Arabs. And
that was running our State Department for decades.
So while it is true that Israel has literally
been abused for oil interests, it's us controlling
them, not the other way around. Total sense.
Yeah, I see it. Completely. And we don't have
to play anymore because it just goes into more
depth and more detail. But this was the setup.
And President Trump came in and went, no, I'm
going to stop. You think that no one else could
have done this? Of course they could have, but
no one had the bullish, I'm not going to stop.
No holds barred. I don't care. I'm going to do
it all. attitude that President Trump has. And
so to me, he's like the ultimate bad boy that
God used. And it's not just the ceasefire in
Gaza. It is the entire Arab world uniting saying,
you know, we're tired of this crap. We're not
going to do this anymore. And let's work together.
You know, we can and actually we can build something
pretty cool in Gaza and we're actually out. I
think President Trump is like, you were out.
You said you do it on you. You go do it. You
go do it. We've carried you too long. That's
what I've been blown away by. So I don't want
to see this movie play out. We talked about before
I grew up with. grandmothers with tattooed numbers
on their arms from the concentration camps. I've
heard too many stories. And it starts just like
this, with misinformation, disinformation, bad
podcasts who are misinformed and who have really
good intentions because they feel that their
country is being abused and misused by this tiny
nation. Get a clue. Get a clue. That's not how
it is working. And I hope that certainly church
members and pastors, they will listen and try
to steer our, certainly our Gen Z generation,
steer them right because they only have one enemy.
Let's show them the real enemy. Let's show them
who's really pulling the strings behind the curtain
so they can move on with their lives. Walk over
our backs, okay? We'll lay down in the mud. But
you've got to help them understand this because
they're confused and their own almost peers are
misinforming them. You're one generation ahead
of them. And you see it all over social media.
You see it all over the news feeds. Weird thing
for me, when I go to the gym, I go to Planet
Fitness and it's... There's like 30 screens.
I mean, every new service, every channel you
can imagine. And I try not to watch. But the
views on here, Fox News is right next to it.
They're juxtaposed. And it's just, oh, I know.
They did that. Whoever did that, I need to go
talk to them and say, guys, would you separate
that by a few channels? I bet it makes you work
out much harder. Like, oh, what is that? Try
not to look. I told Annette, I said I'd do everything
in my power not to look. Because even though
I don't, you know, they've got it, you know,
closed captioned, right? So you can tell what
they're saying. And I'm just like, I'm trying
not to look. And because it's just a steady diet
of misinformation, disinformation, skewed information,
partly true, enough truth to make you believe
it, but not true enough to actually do anything
about or make change. And it's destroying, it's
destroying people's lives. And it's destroying
our, yeah, destroying people's lives. You said
it right there. It's destroying community, a
sense of community. Any time you any town you
live in now because I think about our town in
Fredericksburg, it's you're almost talking about
two towns Yeah, you know, we're so divided and
it's like them over there. We know what they're
gonna do We know what they're gonna say to the
school board No, they're gonna they're gonna
support the the books and all that and then and
then you've got the group over here Who's you
know, they're gonna go in and read the books,
you know, and it we're so divided so separated
and I mean, this is in every community right
now. And I know we've been here before. This
is not the first time. It always feels exceptional
to you. Nothing new under the sun, brother. That
there's nothing new under the sun. So we know
things can change. I think that Trump's role
in all of this is to come in like a wrecking
ball and break up and destroy all these constructs.
that had become so normal that even the politicians,
the good guys in there don't even realize they're
doing it because it's so part of the game. It's
just normal. This is how we play. This is how
we do it. But you've got fresh faces coming on
the scene like Victor Marks, who's going to go
in and run for governor of Colorado. Could he
be another bad boy? I think so. And that's one
dude I would not go up against in any scenario,
whether you're standing there with a a rostrum
in front of you or not, because you're going
to meet him in the elevator later. I mean, God's
bringing some people on the scene. But also as
Christians, believers, I don't want us to get
to the point where we're afraid to say what we
feel about Israel or about the Jewish people,
because that's next. And by the way, they're
going to come for Christians next. Oh, well,
Jews, Christians. Absolutely. that goes right
down the line. Which is exactly what happened
in Germany. Precisely. In the 40s and 50s. First
they came for the Jews, I said nothing, etc.
It's down the line. So what a moment this is
in history and thank you Lord for repeating it
and giving us the tools and the information to
recognize it and do something about it. And call
it out and then do what we continue to do every
week unapologetically. Pray for, bless, Israel,
but also pray for their salvation. Pray they'll
come to know Jesus Christ as Messiah. And by
the way, the Jews I know in Israel... They need
some schooling, too. Absolutely. They're still
like, everyone hates us. Well, calm down, brother.
Not everybody hates you. My friends in Tel Aviv,
they're stuck in it. The war is over, and now
all of a sudden they've got nothing to hate.
So they have their own issues. Man, that is true.
There's got to be a name for that when you live
spun up, hypervigilant like that, where... When
whatever was the antagonist goes away, you don't
know how to function. There's got to be a name
for that, I'm sure there is. We just say spun
up. Yeah, you're spun up, but whatever you were
spun up about has gone away. I've got some friends
that the only time I hear from them is when things
get weird or crazy, and all of a sudden I'm getting
memes, and you know, oh man, oh whoa, and I'm
like, I haven't heard from you in a month, man.
Let me play something positive. I'll use a Jimmy
-ism as we start to land the plane. We did watch
the Dove Awards. It was a little tough for me
to watch because, you know, it's the GMA, the
Gospel Music Association, so it was a lot of
stuff I wasn't familiar with. And I was kind
of like, yeah, it was Brandon Lake, you know,
he was getting all the awards awarded earlier.
I'm like... So he did win I think record of the
year song of the year for Jelly Roll with Jelly
Roll and I just wanted to play Jelly Roll's part
of the acceptance speech because it was just
so and I think he does speak to a Gen Z generation.
Y 'all forgive me I'm one I'm not sure how much
I even belong speaking up here right now but
And I'm nervous. I ain't been this nervous since
I went to criminal court, y 'all. This is a real
thing for me. I mean, I'm sweaty palm. But I
was listening to him and I was thinking about
Matthew when he talks about the least. When he
said, when I was hungry, you fed me. When I was
thirsty, you gave me water. When I was in jail,
you came and visited me. And I realized that
I'm standing here because people took time with
the least. And I want to give this message as
clear as I can right now. The world is hearing
about Jesus like they haven't in decades right
now There is a revival Happening in the United
States of America where you can't go on a corner
and not hear about Jesus right now And while
we are hearing about Jesus, I encourage you to
put faith on your feet and feet on your faith
and walk out of this building and go do for the
least. They've heard of Jesus. Now show them
Jesus. Go feed the poor. Go visit the ones in
jail. Go show them who Jesus was. We're done
talking. It's time to show. I thank you for the
double award. I think this thing is great. I
think it gives alternative programming for kids
at home watching this. My son's watching this.
I think this is awesome. He gets to watch an
award show like this. I thank God. that I could
see the forest for the trees. God bless that."
Boom. Man, drop the mic and give an invitation
and take up an offering, man. That was preaching.
Had you not seen that? No, I have not. We were
at home going, what just happened? He was preaching.
Preached. That was so good. Man, that is beautiful.
Gosh, I love it. Man, I love it when imperfect.
God uses the broken. He uses the imperfect. to
show off, to show who he really is. I wrote my
DG this morning, I sent it over to you on God
is good, man, Psalm 145, talking about God is
good to all. He's good. And people get in these
terrible places. Because circumstances aren't
going good, they start to project that to say,
well, then God isn't good. If circumstances aren't
good, then God's not good. God's not good all
the time. Yeah, he is. He's spotting your circumstances.
I mean, listen to Jelly Roll preach. Gosh, that
was awesome. That lift pulled me up out of the
pit, man. Pulled me out of the rabbit hole. Then
let's go before anything else happens, brother.
Before we break it. Thank you so much, brother.
I love doing this with you. This is so good.
We get to do this, and we'll do it again with
you next week. Join us, please.