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And before I even pray, I just want to say what

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a privilege it is, brother, to do this with you.

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Likewise, brother. We get to do this. Father,

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in Jesus' name, it's our heart to be before you

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as open vessels. And we just say, Lord, fill

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us, use us, anything that comes through us. We

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want it to honor you. And so, Lord, we consecrate

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our thoughts. We consecrate our opinions, our

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ideas, even as we ideate about things that are

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happening in our culture and our world right

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now. I'm asking God that you would direct and

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order the things we think, the things we say.

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We know that words matter, and we've seen that

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come to be true more today than any time. Words

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matter. What we say matters, and we want what

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we say to honor you and to advance the kingdom.

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And for all of our listeners, whether they're

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listening today, another day, or down the line,

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or months away, Lord, if this podcast lands in

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their player, Father, I pray that they will be

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encouraged. They'll be lifted. They'll be not

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only motivated, but even more so inspired. We

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give this to you in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. It's

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Wednesday, September 17th, 2025. We get to do

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this. This is episode number three. We get to

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do this. Hey, brother. How you doing? You know,

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the song is starting to land with me. I hear

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the promo on Hello Fred, and I'm like, you know,

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yeah, it's there. I like the last line more than

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any of it. We get to do this. Being a musician,

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I can be a little snobby sometimes about music.

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You don't say. I can't be. I'm snobby about my

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own playing. So when you first ran it by me,

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I was like. I love Jeff, man. So appreciate Jeff.

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But I was like, yeah, it's kind of, but man,

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the last line gets me. It sticks. And when he

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sent them to me, and I didn't tell you that initially,

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he said, I think that this is meant for you to

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talk it up into the hook, into the vocals. Right.

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That makes sense. And so you actually don't want

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too much of a logo or anything happening in that

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point. So it came with instructions. I was kind

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of thinking something like, you know, along the

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lines of the Hotel California. No, not Hotel

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Cal. The Life in the Fast Lane riff. He just

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rocks. You know what I mean? I'm old school.

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I'm old school. By the way, you got a donut.

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I'm not going to eat it. That's even worse than

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it sitting here in front of me. I'm sorry. It's

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painful. We can split it and we can eat it while

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we're talking. I'm trying to block the view with

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my coffee cup. I came into the church and there's

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Naomi standing right there. Hi, how are you doing?

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And she's holding a donut. She says, I have this

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for you. I'm like, I said, I just ate, but don't

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give it to me. Just give it to me. I can add

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more. So the reason she has a lot of donuts right

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now is they had 290 kids this morning show up.

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Is that a record for Devo's and donuts? I think

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we did over 300, but that had been going. This

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was the first kickoff of the year. Not only is

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it a new school year. But it's also a new school.

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I mean, we built a whole new school since last

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year. Big relocation. So they had to set up in

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a different place. But they do this thing called

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Devos and Donuts. And it's something that the

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Lord gave Naomi back when they lived in Nashville.

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They lived out in Tennessee, in Smyrna area.

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And they started doing it at their kids' schools.

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And it just took off. So when she came here.

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The Lord just said, okay, you remember that thing

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I showed you, Devo's and Donuts? Try it here.

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And so they started it last year, and it just

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got bigger and bigger, over 350 kids. That is

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so good. Showing up to get totally pumped up

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on sugar, you know, before. You'd think the teachers

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would be like, don't do that. Reason number one.

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Yeah, feed them, they'll come. But it actually,

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the school, one of the greatest reports we got

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back from the principal at the middle school,

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Fredericksburg here, public school. was that

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on the days that you guys come and do Devos and

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Donuts, we got a worship team, they got a stage,

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sound, everything. It's really cool, really well

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done. A lot of volunteers. But he said, every

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time y 'all come, we have the best days of the

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year because y 'all are here. And I'm thinking,

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man, it would have been like these teachers going.

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Quit giving these kids donuts before class. And

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that means that they're really calm and pay attention

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in class. The best days they have. And one teacher

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said, could y 'all come every day? Okay. You

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know, we could teach you how to do this. We could

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show you how to do some worship music and get

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that going. I mean, I know teachers are busy,

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but. It's pretty cool, though, when the public

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school, which gets a lot of bad press these days,

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especially from Christians. Yeah. And, you know,

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unfortunately, it's been earned in a lot of areas.

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But our school here in Fredericksburg, good things

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are happening here. We're seeing we have a superintendent

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who's already doing everything he can to get

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the Ten Commandments. He was a bit controversial

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in some of the school board meetings. A while

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back he was. I think, you know, how you – the

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message, it matters how you say what you say.

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Of course it does. And I think sometimes things

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were said with so much strength and so much intensity

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that people who are administrators and leaders

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and stuff, they tend to take a step back. I've

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been in the public arena, the people business,

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so to speak, for 42 years. And it matters how

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people approach me. So if I see somebody come

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in and they've got a pitchfork in one hand. And

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a torch in the other. This is a good point. It

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will literally cause me to shut down before they

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ever open their mouth. And it kind of flows into

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the obvious things we got to talk about today.

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Absolutely. With the assassination of Charlie

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Kirk, which was not great timing for our episode

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last week because we had already recorded it.

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I'll just put it out there. No, I'm glad you

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did. Yeah, but it didn't feel appropriate to

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go like, hey, listen to our podcast because it

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has nothing to do with what you're talking about

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right now. Right, right. Although I encourage

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everybody to go back and listen to it because

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it was good. Actually, I don't usually go back

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and listen to things, but the week became a blur

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with everything that happened. So my mind was

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just all over the place. I thought, what do we

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even talk about? So I went back and listened

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to it when I was doing some errands running around.

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And I'm like, wait, this is relevant, actually.

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It really is on point. And so even though we

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didn't directly address that because it was after

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the fact, it's still on point. The principles

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are still there. So anyway, I listened to it

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and I thought, wow, this is uncanny almost. So

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anyway. So the thing that I'm most concerned

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about right now is, here's what came to mind

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as I was thinking about what we're going to talk

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about today on the show. And it's Corrie ten

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Boom. You know her story, Corrie ten Boom? She

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wrote a book. She was the other Anne Frank, if

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you will, in the Netherlands. She didn't live

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in Amsterdam, but she lived in Haarlem. And it's

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beautiful. She wrote a couple of books. But she

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actually went into the concentration camp with

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her sister. Her sister died there. I think most

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of her father died there. She got out, and I

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mean, there's a whole bunch to her story and

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how she just became a missionary for God, came

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to the United States with no money, and just

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has traveled the world based upon the grace of

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the Lord. But at a certain point, I believe that

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was, maybe I'm confusing books, but she met one

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of the guards in a church. True, true story.

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Where she... had been in the concentration camp

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and she was just paralyzed for a moment. She

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didn't know what to do. And then she just blessed

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him. Yes. And right now it feels like we are

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very far from that type of attitude. Right. Where

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we are exclusively talking about the woke left,

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the radical left, the left, left, left. Some

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even say Democrats. While this may be a generalization

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and not necessarily untrue, and we're not running

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around tar and feathering people, the hatred

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is very real, and it concerns me. And it was

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actually something Charlie, because I've been

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watching a lot of his videos, and something he

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said, which comes back to Psalm 9710, you who

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love the Lord hate evil. or Proverbs 8 .13, the

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fear of the Lord is to hate evil. And people

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are using this, and I don't know if it's correct

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or incorrect, which is why, you know, even if

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we weren't doing a podcast, we'd be talking about

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this. Yeah, agreed. Hey, brother, tell me, how

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do we handle this? Because all of the... you

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know, love your neighbor, love God, love your

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neighbor, like yourself. If your enemy is hungry,

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give him to eat. If he's thirsty, give him to

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drink. He'll be like pouring hot coals on his

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head, but it doesn't feel like that's where we

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are. And I just wanted to get your take on it,

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what your thoughts are, because I have it too.

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I'm like. you know, these, these crazy people,

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finally, this is happening. And I have some other

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ideas as to why this is happening and where it's

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coming from, but just that at the top level,

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how do we deal with this without, I mean, and

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man, it's, it's triggering COVID trauma, you

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know, vax, no vax, lockdown, no lockdown and

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families have been split. Now we know Jesus said,

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I come with the sword, you know, I'm going to

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split families, but. How do we deal with this?

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What's your thoughts about it? Well, initially,

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the word grace comes to mind, and that means

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having grace for one another, grace for ourselves.

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People, it's like a crater. It's like an impact

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of a meteor hitting the earth, right? There's

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always initial damage, initial impact. It's all

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very violent and chaotic in the beginning. And

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then, as we would say, the dust settles. What's

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happening right now, people are in a place of

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outrage because it was so public. It was a public

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execution, basically. Yes. And whatever the theories

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abounding, and there's a billion of them out

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there already. It didn't take long for that to

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happen. Of who did it and why and all that. Put

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all that aside. At the end of the day, a godly

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man, a family man, got executed in front of a

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bunch of kids. And then, of course, the videos

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went viral on that. And then all the outrage,

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the outrage came on both sides, which is frightening,

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which is strange. Also good at the same time,

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because there's a come together moment. And I

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don't want that to slip away. Exactly. We don't

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want to miss the silver lining and all of this.

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And there's a lot. There's a lot of good things

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happening in the hills of this. But again, after

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that initial impact, people are grieving. People

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are mourning. Yeah. And when you're in grief

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and when you're in mourning. There's nothing

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normal. And it's interesting because this is

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like a cultural grieving. This is a whole massive,

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maybe even half to more than the United States,

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notwithstanding London, Madrid, all the different

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places where all these things are popping up

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everywhere. So there's a cultural grieving right

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now. And sadly, as a pastor. I meet with families

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on a very consistent base basis over 42 years.

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And one of my things that I say to them is it's

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okay to not be okay. Nothing's normal right now.

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And it won't be for a while. And I say, if no

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one has told you this, I say this to every family.

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If no one has told you this permission to grieve

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and we need to grieve fully. So right now we're

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grieving a lot of people. And sadly, When you've

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got a large number and enough people grieving,

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there's a lot of bad things can happen. A lot

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of things get said. We're all very sensitive.

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So when you're down and you're grieving and you're

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mourning this loss, and then you're doing something

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you shouldn't be, which is scrolling your phone

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24 -7, and you're seeing video after video after

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video of people disparaging Charlie Kirk, disparaging.

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His family, Erica. Which is not a coincidence

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that this shows up on your phone, by the way.

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Interesting, isn't it? Not a coincidence. There

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is obviously some intent and agenda behind that

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to try. I mean, they're following Saul Alinsky's

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playbook, almost note for note. Was it the Handbook

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for Radicals? That's it. Rules for Radicals.

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Rules for Radicals. The guy who dedicated the

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book to Lucifer, of course, in the front pages.

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He literally did. Yeah, I got a copy of it and

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I was like, oh. Okay. All right. Dedicated to

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Satan. So all this is happening, but, but you

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add to somebody who's already in grief, you know,

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there's five to seven stages, depending on which

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psychologist you follow, you know, either way,

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we know there's a lot of stages and emotionally

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it comes at you so fast. It's like, it's like

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a hurricane where the waves are just coming.

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Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Over time, they

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come less often. And then. Maybe once ever, ever

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a little bit. And then they diminish. But all

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the intensity is up at front. So we are emotionally

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triggered right now. Everybody. Yeah. Everybody.

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Even those that didn't like him or hated him

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are triggered in another sense. Of course. So

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all this, of course, the enemy, and we're talking

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about Satan himself, strategically is like, what

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an opportunity here. It's a field day. Field

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day for him. Oh, it is. releases his hordes throughout

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the world, right? To say, all right, this is

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a good time to seek and destroy, stir it up,

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amplify everything. And so that's what we've

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got. We've got that happening culturally. But

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what has to happen is we need some sane voices

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out there. And hopefully we'll be sane today

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as we say, this is not the time to clap back,

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snap back, you know, return a volley. That came

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over the fence at you online. And the best way

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to not do that is to not go looking for it. That

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is to do that. That is to turn my phone over.

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We don't have video, but yes, Pastor Jimmy just

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flipped his phone on my Bible. Yeah. What's bigger?

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But, you know, people, I think we've talked about

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this. You know, the Internet is basically a big

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self -pity promotion machine. So people are taking

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their grief and sharing it. Which you really

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need, that is not the place to share it. You

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need to share it with your family, with your

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friends. Your church community. Yes, exactly.

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Anybody but out there on the network. I mean,

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that is, that it's, and we can say this with

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blue in the face. I know. Blue in the face. I

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know. I don't know what it will take for people

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to finally. realize that no this is just not

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really doing it for me so you great you gave

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a great line on no agenda last week and i went

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back and listened to that first part we caught

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it after you'd said that but went back and listened

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and uh say that line because this is this needs

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to be repeated often uh well i'll use your version

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because you changed it slightly but i liked it

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it was like it's time to put down our screens

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and pick up our bibles i initially said phones

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Actually, you said screens. Did I really? I did.

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I took note of that. On purpose. Really? Because

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usually you talk about phones a lot. Yeah. You

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use the word screens. I use the word screens.

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And it even caught me off guard because I was

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expecting you to say phones. That's interesting.

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Go back and listen. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Because

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when you, and you repeated that in church, I'm

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like, oh, wow. And I thought, but I said phones.

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And I know that cause I had this written down.

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Sometimes I write stuff down that I want. And

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when it's a 90 % never gets used. I'm like, and

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I, you believe me. So I said, screen like sermons.

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That's well, then that, that was a Holy spirit

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moment because it is so much. It's not. And it's

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all screens. It is. It's broader. It's big screens,

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little screens. Yep. I'm looking on our table

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everywhere. Yeah, I know that was a simple, but

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profound. And, um, Thank you for saying that.

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I said it several times on Sunday. I've said

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it since then. I was visiting with Rick Green

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and Reagan and Faith out of the Patriot Academy.

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We were talking about that, and I brought that

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line back up. That is one of the solutions, because

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what we've got to do is cut off this flow, this

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input that we're getting. I caught myself a couple

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of nights ago in bed, and Ed conks out as soon

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as we lay down, and I'm like, I'm not ready to

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go to sleep yet. So what did I do? I had my phone

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out. I'm on Instagram and I'm seeing these disparaging.

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It took me about five seconds to shut that down.

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And all I did was turn my phone off and went

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to sleep. I was like, I cannot let this get in

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my mind. A great way to honor Charlie is to emulate

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him and a few things he did. And I've learned

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now that once a week, I think it was Saturday,

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He would turn off his phone, put it in the drawer

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and just be with his family. I'm not good at

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this either. I am. I mean, and it should just

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be. I think it's right. It should be screens,

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not the phone, because I'll go and sit in front

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of my computer. I'll do a little bit of programming

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or whatever it is. That would be a great way

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to really take a screen Sabbath. I just came

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up with a great word. He called it a fast. He

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called. Yes. He said, I think it's on Friday,

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maybe Friday night to Saturday. OK. Yeah. As

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I do a screen fast. OK. So that's not a whole

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Friday night. Yeah. I'm not good at it. So, no,

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I would be good for me, too. And I think if everyone

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could just do that and what what a way it would

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be to honor him to just take that time. But what

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about FOMO? We might miss something. We may miss

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out on something. Well, no, here's the bottom

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line. Oh, yeah. You're missing out on all kinds

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of stuff. You better believe it. Stuff that will

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be there when you pick up the screen again. It's

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not going away. This is a G -rated show, but

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we're missing all kinds of stuff. Stuff. Yes,

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it is. It's totally, it's stinky stuff. It is

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stinky stuff. And it comes at us at a thousand

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miles per hour. I like the way John Eldridge

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talks about it. He says it's an assault on your

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heart. It's not just on your mind. It's your

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heart, which is the center of your mind, will,

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and emotions. That's what the heart is. And it's

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an assault on your heart. And scripture talks

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about don't lose heart. Don't lose heart. Well,

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one of the quickest ways to lose heart is to

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give it away to a screen. Wow. Giving it away

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to anybody. We give it away. We do that. We give

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it away to people. We give it away to stuff.

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But we really, these days, it's more screens

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than anything. And I'm the pot calling the kettle

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black here. So just true confession here. I mean,

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I'm as part of it because being a pastor, I always

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feel like I need to try to be in the know. I

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try to want to stay up on the curve. If you ever

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get behind the curve, you feel like you're, again,

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fear of missing out. You feel like you're missing

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something. You know, I do these cultural briefings

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every Sunday morning, and I always feel like

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I got to keep the input going. But it is hard

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on my heart. Well, there's a couple of things

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I've learned. If you post less and send less

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email, surprisingly, you get less back. This

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is a lesson I learned a long time ago. I used

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to always be reply to an email, reply to an email.

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And I've had to pull back on that because I get

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hundreds of emails a day. And there's always

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going to be one that's a gem that's important.

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So I'm reading them all. And I've kind of gotten

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into the habit of people who send me a lot. I'll

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answer every fifth one with, hey, thanks. Because

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when you answer, they're going to reply back.

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It's guaranteed. And that's all right, because

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people aren't thinking about your time and what

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kind of time it takes. But the less you send,

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the less you receive. And ultimately, I've always

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experienced that as positive and productive.

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Yeah, it's good. So now we're also in this revenge

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mode. The prosecutor is called for the death

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penalty. And this is kind of like a two part

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track that I'm thinking a lot about. So one,

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if you know, everyone want like, yeah, we got

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to kill this guy. And let's just presume this

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guy did it. And man, there's a lot of written

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evidence that points to it, which, you know,

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everyone's looking for. Right. For answers. Yeah.

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And so you can go down the. Second shooter came

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from the bottom, the grassy knoll, you know,

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15 other people, the furries, the trans, you

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know, you can go down this entire route. Everybody

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wants reason. And I think for me, very quickly,

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I'm like, okay, this is evil. This is just Satan.

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And this is how this happens. And I can put that

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on the side and leave that for myself. But there's

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such a distrust of government. which again is

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part of the trauma that we've lived through in

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the past five years. And also this almost insatiable,

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we've got to kill this guy. How do we approach

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that as believers? I'm totally feeling what you're

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feeling. I'm sensing that there's a part of my

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flesh that's angry and wants a head on a platter.

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I want evidence that. The justice has been served.

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Right. But I have to quickly tamp that down and

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go, no, no, stop. Stop it. And so on Sunday,

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I called for us to pray for that young man. You

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did. I appreciate that. Nobody clapped. Well,

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it was quiet. Yeah. And I can feel a room. I

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mean, I've been doing this a long time. I feel

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the temperature of things. And I know that's

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not a popular thing to say. I mean, basically.

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It felt good to me, by the way. It felt, yeah,

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that's what we're supposed to do. A kid needs

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Jesus. He needs to be born again. He needs to

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be saved. And if I ever let myself go down the

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path of, no, he needs to rot in hell. And I've

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read that statement a lot. I've seen people ranting

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about things like that. And mind you, again,

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grieving, you're not normal. Grieving, there's

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no. No boundaries. All your all your guards come

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down. The rails come down. You just go off the

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rails and you don't before you even realize it.

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So I'm trying to have patience to realizing a

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culture is hurting and grieving. And at what

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point do you stop? It's different for everybody.

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But but at some point you got to make a choice.

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Go, OK, I'm done. I had my rant. I railed to

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my friend or I said some things to my wife about

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this situation that. I may not say out in public,

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but I need to be done with that. And now I need

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to refocus myself on something positive and redemptive.

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We think in terms of punitive and redemptive.

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So we want punishment or we want something to

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be redeemed for the good. As a follower of Jesus,

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everything in us should be about redemption.

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Natural, you know, there's there's natural cause

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and effect, natural and logical consequences.

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There's all those pieces that happen. And he

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should if if it's if he is for sure the one and

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all that, he needs to be prosecuted to the full

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extent of law. But should Christians be yelling,

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demanding the death penalty? And where's that

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coming from? Yeah, I'm not anti death penalty,

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by the way. I think there are there are situations

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and scenarios that justify. I don't want to go

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down that track too deep, but I'm just saying

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my thought on this before I cry out, murder him,

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you know, off with his head is how can his heart

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be turned? How can he be redeemed? Is anyone

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praying for him and for his family who are completely

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devastated by this? And two, we need to think

00:24:50.539 --> 00:24:53.519
through on a broader ripple effect or maybe a

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broader circle, expand our search, so to speak.

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Why was he thinking that way? What led him down

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a track of growing up in a household one way

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and then apparently within a year or around a

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year's time getting what people are using the

00:25:12.269 --> 00:25:16.809
word radicalized? What I want to know more than

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just why he did it, because I don't think there

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will ever be a real answer for that. Why he just

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in that moment did it. But there will be answers

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of why did he start down a track of thinking

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and justifying murder? I have thoughts about

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that. And I've thought about this for a long

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time because I tend to always look at all the

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options when things like this happen. OK, what

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are the possibilities? You've taught me to do

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that. And then sometimes when you say it out

00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:49.099
loud, it's it's hard because, you know, people

00:25:49.099 --> 00:25:52.119
be like, I can't believe you said that. So, you

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know, I go through an entire, you know, what

00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.299
was happening at the time. Is there could have

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been the Israeli government or Mossad? Well,

00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:05.039
you know, the M word, right? There's everything's

00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:08.380
possible. So I go through all of these and I've

00:26:08.380 --> 00:26:10.880
actually come at a point which has been staring

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me in the face for a long time. I believe our

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country has been under attack for 250 years.

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And it never really ended when we declared our

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independence. And it's not just people. This

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is a cultural thing that has been around for

00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:39.559
a long, long time. And we've been under attack

00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:42.099
financially, how our financial markets work.

00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:45.819
We've been under attack culturally. I think the

00:26:45.819 --> 00:26:49.980
drug epidemic is also an attack. And ultimately,

00:26:50.500 --> 00:26:53.759
it's all from the devil. But where is this coming

00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:57.140
from? And I'm now looking more towards very old

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networks, really bloodline networks like monarchies.

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You know, people always say, well, you know,

00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:08.279
the queen of England or the Netherlands or of

00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:12.000
Norway or of Sweden. They're just ceremonial.

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And I've never bought that. And I've met the

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Queen of England before she passed. And I looked

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at you. You're not supposed to look her in the

00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:20.460
eyes when you say hi. And I did. And there was

00:27:20.460 --> 00:27:22.480
nothing there, brother. It was darkness. There

00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:24.660
was just dark, nothing in there. I've heard you

00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:28.799
say that before. Yeah. And so as I was listening

00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:32.500
to our vice president, J .D. Vance, he took over

00:27:32.500 --> 00:27:37.740
Charlie Kirk's podcast, which is kind of interesting.

00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:42.019
Very. He had Charlie's mic, which kind of brought

00:27:42.019 --> 00:27:45.740
it all home. But of course, it's not really Charlie's

00:27:45.740 --> 00:27:49.940
podcast. He just have one minute that I clipped

00:27:49.940 --> 00:27:52.859
from it. Good. And he said something that to

00:27:52.859 --> 00:27:55.400
me, it can be interpreted different ways. But

00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:58.000
I, I feel it's well played. And I'll tell you

00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.660
what I think about it. Welcome back to the Charlie

00:27:59.660 --> 00:28:02.299
Kirk show. This is Vice President J .D. Vance.

00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:04.819
Joining me now is Stephen Miller, White House

00:28:04.819 --> 00:28:07.690
Deputy Chief of Staff. Dear friend of mine and

00:28:07.690 --> 00:28:10.430
dear friend of Charlie Kirk's. And before I get

00:28:10.430 --> 00:28:12.410
into the nitty gritty of what I want to talk

00:28:12.410 --> 00:28:14.609
with Stephen about, you know, there's a lot of

00:28:14.609 --> 00:28:16.390
questions about the investigation, where we are

00:28:16.390 --> 00:28:18.109
in the investigation. I want to be respectful

00:28:18.109 --> 00:28:21.190
to the FBI's process, but just know that we are

00:28:21.190 --> 00:28:23.069
on top of this and the entire administration

00:28:23.069 --> 00:28:25.990
is trying to do as much as possible to find.

00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:28.759
everything that we can about what led to this,

00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:30.740
about how we got here, and of course, ultimately,

00:28:30.859 --> 00:28:33.180
how an assassin took Charlie's life. I wanted

00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:35.859
to zoom out with Stephen a little bit and talk

00:28:35.859 --> 00:28:38.619
about all of the ways that we're trying to figure

00:28:38.619 --> 00:28:42.240
out how to prevent this festering violence that

00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.440
you see on the far left from becoming even more

00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.279
and more mainstream. A lot of people are very

00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:49.460
worried about how we got here in the first place.

00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.400
And you have the crazies on the far left who

00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.460
are saying, oh, Stephen Miller and J .D. Vance,

00:28:53.619 --> 00:28:55.660
they're going to go after constitutionally protected.

00:28:55.819 --> 00:28:57.960
speech. No, no, no. We're going to go after the

00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:02.400
NGO network that foments, facilitates and engages

00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.539
in violence. So there's a couple of things he

00:29:05.539 --> 00:29:09.339
said here. I don't like that he said the crazies

00:29:09.339 --> 00:29:11.880
on the far left. And, you know, he's he's really

00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.220
dividing this. I think that's unhelpful. But

00:29:15.220 --> 00:29:16.759
what he said at the very end, which I've also

00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:20.220
heard President Trump say, is we want to figure

00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:24.279
out the networks that are fomenting this. And.

00:29:24.670 --> 00:29:28.250
To me, that's a little bit of the turning the

00:29:28.250 --> 00:29:31.630
tables moment where, hold on a second, we've

00:29:31.630 --> 00:29:33.690
been under attack by networks that have been

00:29:33.690 --> 00:29:40.009
financed that speak into our medical and pharmaceutical

00:29:40.009 --> 00:29:44.029
communities, to our legal communities. It usually

00:29:44.029 --> 00:29:46.910
involves money. So there's no one I want to point

00:29:46.910 --> 00:29:50.869
to or no particular person, but I always follow

00:29:50.869 --> 00:29:54.440
the money. comes really from overseas, not from

00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:58.940
here. And I'm thinking more European, which is,

00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:01.940
when you think about it, is not surprising that

00:30:01.940 --> 00:30:08.119
there's been a, you know, once we declared our

00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:10.940
independence, do you think that the, I'll just

00:30:10.940 --> 00:30:12.220
say the British, I'm talking about the British

00:30:12.220 --> 00:30:15.430
people. They just went, okay, you win, and they

00:30:15.430 --> 00:30:17.250
went away? I've actually wondered about that

00:30:17.250 --> 00:30:20.769
myself. So I'm doing a deep, deep, deep dive

00:30:20.769 --> 00:30:23.869
and study on that. And I think that's really

00:30:23.869 --> 00:30:28.289
good because where this radicalization, this

00:30:28.289 --> 00:30:32.180
trans -Maoism, as I call it, It's it kind of

00:30:32.180 --> 00:30:34.599
came out of nowhere. It feels like it. You know,

00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.579
it just there was no coincidence that it accelerated

00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:42.180
during covid. I feel this is a direct attack

00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:45.660
from doesn't matter specifically who or what

00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:48.779
network. But if you can follow the money, then

00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:53.140
you can probably stop a lot of it. And it flows.

00:30:53.299 --> 00:30:56.839
I mean, it is if you and I took a million dollars

00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.640
and dedicated our time for a year, we could.

00:31:00.089 --> 00:31:03.230
Turn so many people to Christ on the social media

00:31:03.230 --> 00:31:06.930
networks just by knowing what to do and how to

00:31:06.930 --> 00:31:10.130
do it. I mean, the governments around the world,

00:31:10.210 --> 00:31:15.589
they know military psyops. It is the best place.

00:31:15.630 --> 00:31:18.849
It is like if you really want to be programmed.

00:31:19.930 --> 00:31:22.910
Be in an emotional mood and get on a social media

00:31:22.910 --> 00:31:25.730
network and you will be programmed. I guarantee

00:31:25.730 --> 00:31:28.650
it. It's true. I guarantee it. And we're never

00:31:28.650 --> 00:31:31.349
going to get people off of that. The best way

00:31:31.349 --> 00:31:33.569
is not to have your children go on it in the

00:31:33.569 --> 00:31:37.190
first place. I adore so many parents here at

00:31:37.190 --> 00:31:40.430
Bridge Church who have not given their kids any

00:31:40.430 --> 00:31:42.769
screens, any devices. You know, they give them

00:31:42.769 --> 00:31:45.609
the capability to text and that's it. And you

00:31:45.609 --> 00:31:47.809
know what? Are these kids deficient somehow?

00:31:48.390 --> 00:31:51.839
No. Are they really missing out on some incredible

00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.519
aspect of life? No. They're perfectly healthy,

00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.380
well -educated, well -rounded, well -formed,

00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.039
intelligent, fun human beings. I'm working with

00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:06.740
a couple of them right now. So there's no need

00:32:06.740 --> 00:32:10.369
for it. But I do like that they're... That they

00:32:10.369 --> 00:32:12.990
see the president, the vice president, I'll say

00:32:12.990 --> 00:32:15.789
the president seemingly understands that we're

00:32:15.789 --> 00:32:18.150
under attack from something. Now, he says it,

00:32:18.170 --> 00:32:21.490
too. He's also going the radical left. We've

00:32:21.490 --> 00:32:24.930
got to stay. I don't like that. It bugs me. But

00:32:24.930 --> 00:32:27.589
it feels like there is a turning of the tables

00:32:27.589 --> 00:32:30.210
in front of the temple moment. We say, OK, let's.

00:32:30.210 --> 00:32:32.630
And it was the money changers. You know, let's.

00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.980
Let's figure out where the real evil is being,

00:32:36.140 --> 00:32:39.039
how it's happening, how this flows in, how we

00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:42.220
can stop it at the root or at least cut the supply

00:32:42.220 --> 00:32:44.059
lines, which is always going to be finances.

00:32:44.740 --> 00:32:48.380
And we have to learn, and this is a tough one,

00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:54.200
to trust the people who our elected representatives

00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.339
have chosen. So I hear, well, you know, Kash

00:32:58.339 --> 00:33:00.720
Patel, Dan Bongino, they're bought and sold for,

00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.890
you know. There's no coincidence how the Epstein

00:33:05.890 --> 00:33:08.829
files and all these things flow into it. There's

00:33:08.829 --> 00:33:13.369
so much doubt and so much speculation. It's almost

00:33:13.369 --> 00:33:17.809
like you can see the board in someone's war room

00:33:17.809 --> 00:33:20.470
that says, OK, here's how we're going to pit

00:33:20.470 --> 00:33:22.990
the Americans against each other. We tried it

00:33:22.990 --> 00:33:25.890
with race. Didn't work that well. You know, the

00:33:25.890 --> 00:33:28.970
Black Lives Matter thing didn't work out. We

00:33:28.970 --> 00:33:32.670
tried. Didn't quite get there. We can do it with

00:33:32.670 --> 00:33:37.450
this. And whether that's physical people or in

00:33:37.450 --> 00:33:40.990
the spiritual realm and powers and principalities,

00:33:41.069 --> 00:33:43.789
regardless, that's what we're dealing with. And

00:33:43.789 --> 00:33:46.329
that's what we have to fight against. I love

00:33:46.329 --> 00:33:47.910
it when you go looking for scripture. I can see

00:33:47.910 --> 00:33:49.690
you're doing it. I'm actually looking up Saul

00:33:49.690 --> 00:33:57.069
Alinsky's points because it's almost textbook,

00:33:58.089 --> 00:34:02.210
isn't it? This is like a playbook. for how to

00:34:02.210 --> 00:34:04.750
destroy, but really it's how to divide. Which

00:34:04.750 --> 00:34:07.630
then makes it simple. It's a divide and conquer

00:34:07.630 --> 00:34:11.550
kind of thing. And he has so many of these rules.

00:34:12.409 --> 00:34:16.869
Here's some of the rules. And again, he dedicated

00:34:16.869 --> 00:34:20.550
his rule book for radicals to Lucifer. Yes, he

00:34:20.550 --> 00:34:23.449
did. Let's just be clear. Ridicule is man's most

00:34:23.449 --> 00:34:27.000
potent weapon. So let's just ridicule. Let's

00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:31.719
name call. And this is like the schoolyard bullies

00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:34.820
did this stuff. We saw this in the fifth grade,

00:34:34.860 --> 00:34:37.880
right? We were kids on the block. And it's exactly

00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.019
the same MO. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.

00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:45.559
Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize

00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:48.260
it. I mean, this stuff is like when you read

00:34:48.260 --> 00:34:52.199
through these, it's really. to read through these,

00:34:52.300 --> 00:34:54.820
but you can literally check the box on everything.

00:34:55.179 --> 00:34:58.860
And it's not just the left. No, no. Exactly.

00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:05.639
This partisan life or identity politics is something

00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.860
that give him 15 Dutch sheets did a thing on

00:35:08.860 --> 00:35:11.940
Friday called. I was going to read it on Sunday,

00:35:11.980 --> 00:35:13.619
but I just completely ran out of the runway.

00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.280
I had to stop reading Dutch sheets because it

00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.480
got a little bit too much over the past couple

00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.889
of months. Like. Just give me some Jesus love,

00:35:20.969 --> 00:35:24.969
man. It's always political. I had to take a break.

00:35:25.230 --> 00:35:28.510
He's a great guy. I love him. But he did a great

00:35:28.510 --> 00:35:30.630
job on identity politics and talking about how

00:35:30.630 --> 00:35:34.110
we fall in. It's kind of like you're going to

00:35:34.110 --> 00:35:36.489
buy a new house. He didn't say this. This is

00:35:36.489 --> 00:35:39.710
my example. And you can either build a house.

00:35:40.300 --> 00:35:42.800
And spec it out the way you want. This is my

00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.519
personality. This is what I want. Or you can

00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.219
go to the other end of the spectrum is to go

00:35:48.219 --> 00:35:51.420
buy a prefabricated home. Yeah. There's four

00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:54.659
floor plans in the whole neighborhood and they

00:35:54.659 --> 00:35:57.099
all look the same. I think of those old movies,

00:35:57.179 --> 00:35:58.679
you know, that have like all the houses look

00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:01.699
exactly the same. Track home. Yeah. So what's

00:36:01.699 --> 00:36:04.400
easier? It's easier to buy a track home. Well,

00:36:04.420 --> 00:36:06.639
what's easier in life? It's easier not to think

00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:08.860
about anything. So I'm just going to pick this

00:36:08.860 --> 00:36:11.650
side. Because I agree with most of what they're

00:36:11.650 --> 00:36:15.230
saying. But I'm never going to question what

00:36:15.230 --> 00:36:18.630
they're saying because I'm buying I'm swallowing

00:36:18.630 --> 00:36:21.150
the whole pill. Does that make sense? Well, this

00:36:21.150 --> 00:36:24.030
is what frightens me about identity politics,

00:36:24.230 --> 00:36:29.230
where I will never question or I won't I won't

00:36:29.230 --> 00:36:31.670
hold any of my elected representatives accountable

00:36:31.670 --> 00:36:35.349
because, you know, I swallowed the pill. I'm

00:36:35.349 --> 00:36:39.019
identifying with that. What can we as believers

00:36:39.019 --> 00:36:42.860
practically say or use in everyday life when

00:36:42.860 --> 00:36:45.159
we're with friends, with family, and they're

00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:50.239
like, those crazy leftists, whatever it is, what

00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:56.639
can we practically use and say that will, if

00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:58.960
there is something, I'm praying there's something

00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:02.900
that can at least maybe stop people in their

00:37:02.900 --> 00:37:06.949
tracks and give them a thought without, Starting

00:37:06.949 --> 00:37:10.650
a whole argument, you know, is there any scripture?

00:37:10.829 --> 00:37:13.769
Is there anything that Jesus said that I could

00:37:13.769 --> 00:37:16.309
say, well, I'm listening to Jesus right now.

00:37:16.369 --> 00:37:19.349
And here's what he said in this exact example.

00:37:20.570 --> 00:37:23.750
Give me a moment. I'll find something. I mean,

00:37:23.750 --> 00:37:26.010
because that's what people need. From a principle

00:37:26.010 --> 00:37:30.630
perspective, everything Jesus did. adds up into

00:37:30.630 --> 00:37:33.230
this amalgam of principles. Yes. It may not be

00:37:33.230 --> 00:37:35.889
a direct quote, but it's how you treat other

00:37:35.889 --> 00:37:39.050
people. One of the things I always do when someone

00:37:39.050 --> 00:37:41.849
brings an accusation against somebody to me,

00:37:41.909 --> 00:37:45.349
my first question is, have you talked to them?

00:37:46.070 --> 00:37:48.630
Yeah. Go directly to the source. That's Matthew

00:37:48.630 --> 00:37:53.809
18. Jesus said, you go to the person and you

00:37:53.809 --> 00:37:57.519
talk to them directly. I can pull that up. Because

00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.900
what happens is we get into these broad stroke

00:38:00.900 --> 00:38:05.059
modes and social media creates our tendency that

00:38:05.059 --> 00:38:07.579
way. It feeds our tendency. We have tendencies

00:38:07.579 --> 00:38:11.119
to do that. Those people, them and they. By the

00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:13.659
way, that's not the place to do this. If you

00:38:13.659 --> 00:38:16.579
post anything of that nature on social media,

00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.619
you're just going to be answering people for

00:38:18.619 --> 00:38:22.860
the next three days. I'm not ashamed to say.

00:38:23.900 --> 00:38:26.659
I think this way or I'm treating the situation

00:38:26.659 --> 00:38:29.159
this way because I'm a believer and a follower

00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.639
of Jesus. If you want to ridicule me for that,

00:38:31.739 --> 00:38:35.300
that's fine. But that's why I choose not to do

00:38:35.300 --> 00:38:37.760
what you're doing or I choose not to participate

00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.619
in this conversation in this manner. And I mean,

00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:47.039
if we can't stand on our Lord and Savior and

00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:50.099
say, and by the way, I have this problem myself

00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:53.769
with my own people I work with. It's like, well,

00:38:53.889 --> 00:38:56.369
I don't believe this because I'm a follower of

00:38:56.369 --> 00:39:00.610
Jesus. And you get a scoff. I'm okay with that.

00:39:00.929 --> 00:39:05.929
I'm really okay with that. So somehow I'd love

00:39:05.929 --> 00:39:08.590
to give the people in our church some of this

00:39:08.590 --> 00:39:13.210
ammo, if you will. It's like defensive ammo,

00:39:13.409 --> 00:39:15.909
you know, just so you could say, well, I'm not

00:39:15.909 --> 00:39:17.730
going to participate in this because here's how

00:39:17.730 --> 00:39:21.050
I choose to address this situation because I'm

00:39:21.050 --> 00:39:24.610
a follower of Jesus. And then if that person

00:39:24.610 --> 00:39:27.409
scoffs and whatever, but I guarantee you it'll

00:39:27.409 --> 00:39:32.929
end that particular negative conversation. We

00:39:32.929 --> 00:39:35.170
call that de -escalation. De -escalation. When

00:39:35.170 --> 00:39:37.510
I worked in the child care world, when I was

00:39:37.510 --> 00:39:40.610
a case manager, we would have to de -escalate

00:39:40.610 --> 00:39:43.449
a kid that was going off the rails emotionally.

00:39:43.769 --> 00:39:46.489
And once you get to that spot, you're not thinking

00:39:46.489 --> 00:39:50.130
clearly, right? You're clearly out of your mind.

00:39:50.210 --> 00:39:52.880
Out of control. It happens with adults every

00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:56.139
day online. You see this or, you know, somebody's

00:39:56.139 --> 00:39:58.000
got a phone up in somebody's face and they're

00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.380
ranting on something. There needs to be a de

00:40:00.380 --> 00:40:02.420
-escalation. One of the ways you de -escalate

00:40:02.420 --> 00:40:05.019
is exactly what you did. You're coming in. You

00:40:05.019 --> 00:40:08.260
come with a different spirit. This is something

00:40:08.260 --> 00:40:11.099
that a pastor once told my staff. I had him in

00:40:11.099 --> 00:40:13.800
to kind of consult and visit with us. And he

00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.579
came and he said one of the greatest things he

00:40:16.579 --> 00:40:18.579
ever learned in terms of dealing with opposition

00:40:18.579 --> 00:40:21.769
was always come in a different spirit. So whatever

00:40:21.769 --> 00:40:26.130
someone comes at you with, return with a different

00:40:26.130 --> 00:40:29.110
spirit. That's good. And that sounds simplistic,

00:40:29.289 --> 00:40:31.210
but if you stop and think about it for a minute,

00:40:31.289 --> 00:40:34.630
the Bible tells us a soft word turns away wrath.

00:40:36.309 --> 00:40:38.869
That's a proverb, isn't it? I'm thinking it is.

00:40:40.949 --> 00:40:43.550
I'll tell you in a few seconds. If it's not,

00:40:43.630 --> 00:40:47.309
it's something we say in the old country. There's

00:40:47.309 --> 00:40:49.030
probably a great Dutch saying for that. There

00:40:49.030 --> 00:40:52.429
always is. Soft word turns away. But I love when

00:40:52.429 --> 00:40:56.130
that pastor told us that we were like, that makes

00:40:56.130 --> 00:40:58.769
sense. Come in a different spirit, because isn't

00:40:58.769 --> 00:41:01.349
that how Jesus, he didn't fight fire with fire.

00:41:02.190 --> 00:41:05.369
He know if somebody attacked him, which the Pharisees

00:41:05.369 --> 00:41:07.710
often did, he would come at them with a question.

00:41:08.289 --> 00:41:11.789
He'd come with a different spirit. And so it's

00:41:11.789 --> 00:41:15.610
the Proverbs 15, one, a soft word turns away

00:41:15.610 --> 00:41:18.780
wrath. Proverbs 15 .1. I love that. A gentle

00:41:18.780 --> 00:41:22.000
answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs

00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.639
up anger. It's very commonsensical, right? Of

00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:26.519
course. A soft word turns away wrath, but a harsh

00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.199
word stirs a different translation. It's like,

00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.380
what? There's gambling going on there? Yes, it's

00:41:30.380 --> 00:41:33.659
very, very simplistic, but so true. It is. And

00:41:33.659 --> 00:41:36.659
so come in a different spirit. And that's something

00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:39.099
I've had to learn through the years as a pastor.

00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:41.840
When people come at me, you tell them people

00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.159
how people are coming, you know, before they

00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:45.880
ever open their mouth, you know, if this is going

00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.579
to be a, quote, Karen moment or, you know, or

00:41:48.579 --> 00:41:51.599
whatever it is, you know, or, you know, somebody

00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.900
is going to come. And I love it when someone

00:41:53.900 --> 00:41:56.769
comes and says to me. I'm not being critical

00:41:56.769 --> 00:42:00.250
here, but I've observed something. And I'm like,

00:42:00.369 --> 00:42:03.690
first of all, thank you. Well, thank you. I mean,

00:42:03.710 --> 00:42:05.969
you started well. The person who comes and says,

00:42:06.070 --> 00:42:08.949
let me tell you something. You are doing this

00:42:08.949 --> 00:42:11.570
wrong or whatever. It's like, I'm gone. Whenever

00:42:11.570 --> 00:42:13.949
I hear a but, I'm like, I love you, but. Love

00:42:13.949 --> 00:42:16.909
you, Pastor. But. But. Yeah, that always. Hey,

00:42:16.909 --> 00:42:18.250
I need to meet with you. I want to take you out

00:42:18.250 --> 00:42:20.829
to lunch. But I have some concerns I need to

00:42:20.829 --> 00:42:24.369
share. It's like, gah. Before I was saved and

00:42:24.369 --> 00:42:27.070
I was clearly being influenced without even knowing

00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:31.170
it, my partner, Dave Jones, we had an initial

00:42:31.170 --> 00:42:34.929
partner. And this was years ago, not in Godcast,

00:42:34.929 --> 00:42:37.809
but in a different project. And this partner,

00:42:37.829 --> 00:42:41.449
it was not working out. And we had hour -long

00:42:41.449 --> 00:42:46.630
phone conversations. And I was always amazed.

00:42:46.670 --> 00:42:50.059
I was like, Dave. How did you how do you stay

00:42:50.059 --> 00:42:52.579
so calm, man, at the middle of this? And this

00:42:52.579 --> 00:42:57.300
guy's saying horrible things and he's being recalcitrant

00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:01.679
and difficult. And and and Dave's answer would

00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.300
be, I'm just approaching him with love. And I

00:43:05.300 --> 00:43:09.239
always thought that was so admirable, so admirable

00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:14.230
that. It is a part of my my my faith journey

00:43:14.230 --> 00:43:17.989
is just I want to be like that guy. You know,

00:43:17.989 --> 00:43:21.110
so that's why every morning I Lord Jesus put

00:43:21.110 --> 00:43:23.130
me on as your earth suit. Let me let me feel

00:43:23.130 --> 00:43:25.449
it. Let me be kind and gentle and compassionate

00:43:25.449 --> 00:43:28.570
and loving and above all patient. This is the

00:43:28.570 --> 00:43:30.849
biggest problem I have. I need patience, patience,

00:43:30.969 --> 00:43:34.650
patience. So I'm just I'm just always looking

00:43:34.650 --> 00:43:41.320
for a way that we can. Again, I don't mind if

00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:43.539
someone says, oh, you and your Jesus talk. I'm

00:43:43.539 --> 00:43:45.559
like, okay, well, you just ended the conversation.

00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.500
It must be the answer is the church. I heard

00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:54.199
that recently. Yeah. And I had no answer for

00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.139
that because I was so taken aback. I'm like,

00:43:56.219 --> 00:43:58.719
wow. I mean, I should have said, no, it's really

00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:02.630
I follow my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. But

00:44:02.630 --> 00:44:05.289
I don't mind it if people push back on me being

00:44:05.289 --> 00:44:07.389
a believer. Right. That's to be expected. I agree

00:44:07.389 --> 00:44:08.829
with that. It has been written. We know that's

00:44:08.829 --> 00:44:10.489
coming. I'm good with that. I just always want

00:44:10.489 --> 00:44:15.070
to try and do that. However, I will say online

00:44:15.070 --> 00:44:18.610
is not the place to do it because it just won't

00:44:18.610 --> 00:44:21.989
work. You're not on a playing field that has

00:44:21.989 --> 00:44:26.619
any, the odds are tilted against you. that that

00:44:26.619 --> 00:44:28.719
will have a good outcome. And you are more likely

00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:31.340
to spend three days, you know, the old cartoon,

00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:33.820
honey, I'm coming to bed soon, but someone on

00:44:33.820 --> 00:44:35.920
the internet is wrong. You know, you're going

00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.679
to be, you're going to be sitting there forever.

00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:40.920
So that's just not the place that we got to turn

00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:43.460
that, that part off. But when it happens with

00:44:43.460 --> 00:44:45.599
our friends and our own family, this is where

00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.219
we have to be careful. And, you know, I, I don't

00:44:49.219 --> 00:44:51.360
have the scripture, the words, the answer, but

00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:55.909
I, I, I do want to. Find ways to just say, well,

00:44:56.070 --> 00:44:59.130
I follow Jesus and here's how I'm approaching

00:44:59.130 --> 00:45:01.670
this. I love that, Adam. I think you're spot

00:45:01.670 --> 00:45:04.389
on with that. It goes back to what I said. Let's

00:45:04.389 --> 00:45:08.610
come in a different spirit. Whatever is delivered

00:45:08.610 --> 00:45:11.389
to you, do not react in the same spirit because

00:45:11.389 --> 00:45:13.289
that will escalate things. We're talking about

00:45:13.289 --> 00:45:16.070
de -escalation. Proverbs 15, I want to read it

00:45:16.070 --> 00:45:17.590
again, but I got a couple other verses here.

00:45:17.750 --> 00:45:20.630
A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word

00:45:20.630 --> 00:45:23.989
stirs up anger. That is the mantra of the Internet

00:45:23.989 --> 00:45:27.030
right there. I mean, that is social media there.

00:45:27.530 --> 00:45:30.170
James 119. This is one of your favorites. Everyone

00:45:30.170 --> 00:45:33.170
should be quick to listen, slow to speak and

00:45:33.170 --> 00:45:35.889
slow to become angry. If that's not coming in

00:45:35.889 --> 00:45:38.969
a different spirit, I don't know what is. A person's

00:45:38.969 --> 00:45:42.449
wisdom yields patience. It is to one's glory

00:45:42.449 --> 00:45:46.949
to overlook an offense. Every morning, you know,

00:45:46.989 --> 00:45:50.170
I say the Lord's Prayer. The minute I wake up,

00:45:50.170 --> 00:45:52.909
good morning, Holy Spirit. Boom. I say it before

00:45:52.909 --> 00:45:55.090
I even have my eyes open. That's just become

00:45:55.090 --> 00:45:57.789
a thing. And that's really kind of automatic.

00:45:58.190 --> 00:46:01.190
But then on my prayer walk, which I do with our

00:46:01.190 --> 00:46:06.570
dog Phoebe, I expand it. And so when I get to

00:46:06.570 --> 00:46:11.789
spots like... Forgive us our debts as we forgive

00:46:11.789 --> 00:46:14.530
our debtors. I will think of a person who made

00:46:14.530 --> 00:46:16.650
me mad, who said something horrible. And I'm

00:46:16.650 --> 00:46:18.730
like, I'm forgiving this person. I'm forgiving

00:46:18.730 --> 00:46:22.829
this person right now for what they did. And

00:46:22.829 --> 00:46:24.949
you know what it does? I don't know if it does

00:46:24.949 --> 00:46:28.670
anything for them, but man, it heals me. It really

00:46:28.670 --> 00:46:31.510
heals me. Can I give you one on that? Because

00:46:31.510 --> 00:46:34.210
I do the same thing you're talking about. I walk

00:46:34.210 --> 00:46:36.369
out on my deck at night, let Mr. Chevy do his

00:46:36.369 --> 00:46:38.349
business over there in the yard. Funny how dogs

00:46:38.349 --> 00:46:39.849
are a big part of our prayer life. I know, they

00:46:39.849 --> 00:46:41.429
sort of rule our life, don't they? No kidding.

00:46:41.909 --> 00:46:44.070
That's funny, isn't it? So as he's taking care,

00:46:44.150 --> 00:46:46.309
I'm staring up at this big cross on the hill

00:46:46.309 --> 00:46:48.289
across the highway from us, which is just an

00:46:48.289 --> 00:46:51.789
amazing thing at night. But I say my own version

00:46:51.789 --> 00:46:53.550
of the Lord's Prayer. Sometimes I'll start with

00:46:53.550 --> 00:46:58.090
the 1600 version, 1611. I'll do the King James

00:46:58.090 --> 00:47:00.969
version. But then I do it my way. And when I

00:47:00.969 --> 00:47:03.840
get to that section, Forgive us our debts as

00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.860
we forgive our debtors. I say this, Father, forgive

00:47:06.860 --> 00:47:11.219
my offenses as I forgive those who offended me.

00:47:11.619 --> 00:47:16.099
Because that is like typically captures the essence

00:47:16.099 --> 00:47:18.519
of what the culture we live in. It's really about

00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:20.559
offense. I was offended by some words. It is.

00:47:20.619 --> 00:47:23.019
Which, by the way, the word offend means you

00:47:23.019 --> 00:47:26.800
can think of a fence. Oh, fence. A fence. And

00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:29.980
tripping over it. The word offend means to stumble

00:47:29.980 --> 00:47:32.119
over. Like, so someone threw up a fence and you

00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.639
stumbled over it, like ran right into it, tripped

00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.300
right over yourself. So, so this one, it's to

00:47:37.300 --> 00:47:39.719
one's glory to overlook an offense. Here's another

00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.440
one. Do not, this is a Ecclesiastes seven, nine.

00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.559
Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit for

00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.280
anger resides in the lap of fools. Boy, the wording

00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:56.039
of that. Anger resides in the lap of fools. And

00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.079
that was written by Solomon, right? King Solomon,

00:47:58.260 --> 00:48:01.800
yeah. One of the richest men ever to live. Yeah,

00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.539
dear to his glory. He learned what really did

00:48:05.539 --> 00:48:07.900
and didn't matter. Yeah, for anger resides in

00:48:07.900 --> 00:48:11.340
the lap of fools. There's so many Ephesians 4.

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Get rid of bitterness, rage, and anger, brawling,

00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:18.800
and slander, along with every form of malice.

00:48:18.860 --> 00:48:21.849
Be kind and compassionate to one another. Forgiving

00:48:21.849 --> 00:48:24.889
each other just as in Christ God forgave you.

00:48:24.989 --> 00:48:28.510
Now, for the believer, that lands. It lands hard.

00:48:28.750 --> 00:48:32.269
I have to say to myself, what have I been forgiven

00:48:32.269 --> 00:48:37.039
for? So what can I not forgive others for? Do

00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:41.039
you have a minute? If I get one of those legal

00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:44.460
yellow pads, it's like I have 20 of them at least,

00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.360
line upon line. So many. Here's another one,

00:48:47.420 --> 00:48:50.039
Proverbs 29, 11, just kind of capturing what

00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.380
we're seeing right now. And this is a strong

00:48:52.380 --> 00:48:56.860
word of caution, I would say. Fools give full

00:48:56.860 --> 00:49:00.579
vent to their anger, but the wise bring calm

00:49:00.579 --> 00:49:05.030
in the end. I mean, this is just the Bible is

00:49:05.030 --> 00:49:08.949
full of this. It just speaks. So another part

00:49:08.949 --> 00:49:10.989
of the Lord's Prayer kind of folds into this,

00:49:11.010 --> 00:49:14.309
which I was reading about this this morning in

00:49:14.309 --> 00:49:17.710
Oswald Chambers, my utmost for his highest. Another

00:49:17.710 --> 00:49:20.909
young man, another man who died young. Yes. Before

00:49:20.909 --> 00:49:27.630
his time, 44. And it was about temptation. And

00:49:27.630 --> 00:49:32.579
I think that. Because I pondered it, you know,

00:49:32.579 --> 00:49:34.579
there was a lot going on this morning. Tina's

00:49:34.579 --> 00:49:37.639
leaving, you know, we had a neighbor with a panic

00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:39.460
thing I was trying to fix. I'm trying to get

00:49:39.460 --> 00:49:41.679
out and I'm reading through. It's like, I got

00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.659
to come back to this, the temptation, because

00:49:44.659 --> 00:49:48.500
we think of temptation as just one thing. Like

00:49:48.500 --> 00:49:51.860
I'm tempted to look at someone or I'm tempted

00:49:51.860 --> 00:49:55.519
to eat something I shouldn't. I'd love to just

00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:59.019
talk about temptation, how it applies, particularly.

00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.659
with how we respond in social settings, in person,

00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:10.639
and of course, you know, online. Wow. Okay. We

00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:13.400
just did a pivot. Well, because we recite this

00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.219
thing, you know, all the time. And it just also

00:50:16.219 --> 00:50:19.960
like, yeah, temptation. Well, it's an interesting

00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:21.920
line. Lead us not into temptation. That's an

00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:23.619
interesting line. By the way, I changed that

00:50:23.619 --> 00:50:26.210
to a different form when I do my personal. I

00:50:26.210 --> 00:50:28.550
do the personalized one. I say, Father, thank

00:50:28.550 --> 00:50:30.829
you that you never lead us into temptation, but

00:50:30.829 --> 00:50:33.610
you do deliver us from evil and the evil one.

00:50:33.789 --> 00:50:36.650
That's how I say it. Whoa, that's good. It's

00:50:36.650 --> 00:50:40.289
a shift. It's a nuance, but it's a big nuance.

00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:43.239
Thank you that you never lead us into temptation.

00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:45.480
Scripture says the Lord never tempts us in the

00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:47.800
book of James. I love James, too. He's very direct.

00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:53.400
Subtle as a brick. Pretty straightforward. Didn't

00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:55.960
write a lot. Well, what he wrote is good. Man,

00:50:56.099 --> 00:50:59.019
a few words, but they mattered. And so that's

00:50:59.019 --> 00:51:03.320
how I do that. He doesn't lead us into temptation.

00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:06.380
God doesn't. No, we do. The world does. And even

00:51:06.380 --> 00:51:09.159
James said we're tempted by our own flesh. Yes.

00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:13.960
It's we have to. So you talk about it on a broad

00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.039
scale, but we have to go back to choice, freedom

00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:20.019
of choice, free will. This comes up a lot. Yeah.

00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:24.940
A lot of scenarios came up Sunday. But God gave

00:51:24.940 --> 00:51:29.139
us this amazing gift of choice. The upside is,

00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:32.380
wow, we get to choose to love because that makes

00:51:32.380 --> 00:51:36.880
it love. We get to choose. Annette and I chose

00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:40.880
to adopt a child. That child is precious and

00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.719
special because she was chosen. You know what

00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.820
I mean? But there's a flip side to the coin,

00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:50.659
as there typically is. The downside is, I mean,

00:51:50.659 --> 00:51:53.659
it's kind of like acetaminophen. Taken right,

00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.179
it can help you with inflammation and relieve

00:51:56.179 --> 00:51:58.679
a headache. taking too much it'll kill your kidneys

00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.440
right it'll damage you so so it's the same scenario

00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:08.119
here so the the flip side of uh i lost my thought

00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.800
temptation yeah i mean but the downside of free

00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:15.079
will our choice is that we can choose and this

00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.440
is what james was hitting on we can choose to

00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:20.699
be tempted our flesh leads us into it so we have

00:52:20.699 --> 00:52:24.480
to make a million micro choices a day yeah i

00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.480
mean Everything we do has an up and downside,

00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.519
correct? Yes. I mean, everything we do. I can

00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.900
drive safely and I can be mindful of everybody

00:52:33.900 --> 00:52:36.159
else on the road, including our furry friends

00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.760
like deer and skunks and all kinds of stuff.

00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.199
Squirrels. Yeah, I mean, I can be mindful and

00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.800
drive safely. I can obey the speed limit, you

00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:47.579
know, and I'm more than likely I'm going to arrive

00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:50.320
safely at my destination or I can make some choices.

00:52:51.340 --> 00:52:53.320
I can be frustrated and in a hurry and I can

00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:56.159
step on the gas. I can risk going 15 miles over

00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.760
the speed limit, creating a danger for myself

00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:01.739
and others. Also incurring the wrath of the law,

00:53:01.860 --> 00:53:04.920
getting a ticket, whatever. I can create all

00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:08.199
kinds of havoc just by a simple decision. So

00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:11.059
we have a million micro decisions a day to make.

00:53:11.460 --> 00:53:15.159
And unless we have submitted our will to the

00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:17.559
Lordship of Christ, we'll be talking about that

00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:20.639
tonight. The Lordship of Christ. Yes. Lordship.

00:53:20.659 --> 00:53:22.539
Our Wednesday evening here at Bridge Church.

00:53:22.619 --> 00:53:25.039
Yes, that's tonight. And so we can either submit

00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:28.360
ourself to his will and say, even though I've

00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.840
got all these choices, my main choice, my first

00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:34.960
choice is going to be, I want to be led by the

00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.780
spirit. Right. Which means I now begin, I put

00:53:37.780 --> 00:53:40.559
a governor on my choices. Now I'm talking about

00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:42.679
not the governor of the state of Texas. I'm talking

00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:44.880
about the governor on an engine. I remember our

00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.400
yellow dog schooled up buses. You remember when

00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:50.340
the speed limit went from 70 to 55? Yeah. Everybody

00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:52.000
lost their minds. They literally couldn't go

00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.679
faster. They put governors. They put governors

00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:56.880
on those engines so they could only go a certain

00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:00.059
speed. They did that with rental cars and vans

00:54:00.059 --> 00:54:02.280
and all kinds of stuff. So it's the same thing.

00:54:02.420 --> 00:54:06.619
We willfully choose to put a governor on our

00:54:06.619 --> 00:54:10.820
choices. And so when I do that, then temptation

00:54:10.820 --> 00:54:14.039
no longer has an empowered. It's not empowered

00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.210
to draw me away. But I can choose to take that

00:54:17.210 --> 00:54:20.130
covenant off. This is good to discuss this because

00:54:20.130 --> 00:54:24.250
I don't think people, I certainly didn't, let

00:54:24.250 --> 00:54:26.289
me speak for myself. You know, I think of temptation

00:54:26.289 --> 00:54:28.929
like three things that I might be tempted by,

00:54:28.989 --> 00:54:33.170
but it's not. All day long there are temptations

00:54:33.170 --> 00:54:36.530
to snap back, to respond without thinking, without

00:54:36.530 --> 00:54:39.849
being quick to listen, slow to speak. Oh, man,

00:54:39.909 --> 00:54:41.849
I got to do that so many times. Quick to listen,

00:54:41.929 --> 00:54:44.929
slow to speak. And it really, really has benefited

00:54:44.929 --> 00:54:48.170
my life. Thank you, James. Well, maybe this will

00:54:48.170 --> 00:54:50.190
help give people a new category for thinking.

00:54:50.389 --> 00:54:54.210
Micro decisions. Micro decisions. They seem small,

00:54:54.210 --> 00:54:56.409
but they actually have big effects, right? Yeah.

00:54:56.610 --> 00:54:58.570
It's kind of like James talks about the power

00:54:58.570 --> 00:55:00.750
of the tongue. It's a small thing, but it has

00:55:00.750 --> 00:55:02.829
massive consequences. Yes, it does. Same way

00:55:02.829 --> 00:55:05.409
with decisions. The little decisions we make.

00:55:06.010 --> 00:55:08.570
Can be the first domino tip that leads to something

00:55:08.570 --> 00:55:11.289
disastrous. It's the rudder of destiny for your

00:55:11.289 --> 00:55:14.889
life, the tongue. And it's very uncontrollable.

00:55:15.050 --> 00:55:19.769
I guess that's probably a good example of temptation

00:55:19.769 --> 00:55:22.989
to use the tongue. Because, man, we do not have

00:55:22.989 --> 00:55:24.969
that thing under control. Now, these days, we

00:55:24.969 --> 00:55:26.949
use our fingertips, right? Because we've got

00:55:26.949 --> 00:55:30.269
a keyboard. We've got a screen. I'm fired up.

00:55:30.289 --> 00:55:33.710
I'm mad. I got baited. I love what one writer

00:55:33.710 --> 00:55:37.010
calls it, the bait of Satan. don't take the bait

00:55:37.010 --> 00:55:39.269
of Satan. He'll bait us with various things.

00:55:39.590 --> 00:55:42.329
And now I have a choice as a fish, man, that

00:55:42.329 --> 00:55:43.789
looks good, but it sure looks like there's a

00:55:43.789 --> 00:55:46.110
hook through that thing, you know, but I'm hungry.

00:55:46.289 --> 00:55:47.829
I'm going to go anyway. You know, I'm going to

00:55:47.829 --> 00:55:49.730
take the risk and then we get caught, right?

00:55:50.090 --> 00:55:51.909
Trapped, entrapped, the scripture talks about.

00:55:52.369 --> 00:55:55.650
So this bait of Satan, we got to be careful because

00:55:55.650 --> 00:55:59.929
what happens is when we're typing, our boundaries

00:55:59.929 --> 00:56:04.139
tend to go away. There are no guide rails. Right.

00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:06.900
When we're typing, because there's no instant

00:56:06.900 --> 00:56:10.579
repercussion. If I was standing in somebody's

00:56:10.579 --> 00:56:13.679
face and I called them something and then I get

00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:16.420
punched, I get a left hook or a right hook. Well,

00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.219
it's because we know there's natural and logical

00:56:19.219 --> 00:56:21.280
consequences when you're face to face. But when

00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.059
you're sitting behind a screen, the temptation

00:56:24.059 --> 00:56:26.800
is I'm just going to fire off what I'm feeling

00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:31.170
right now. I'll show them. And then you hit send.

00:56:31.289 --> 00:56:33.230
And then 30 minutes later, you're going, what

00:56:33.230 --> 00:56:36.610
was I thinking? Why did I do that? You know,

00:56:36.630 --> 00:56:39.750
I've talked to Joe Rogan about this a couple

00:56:39.750 --> 00:56:43.889
of times and I say, Hey man, do you ever read

00:56:43.889 --> 00:56:47.429
the comments? He said, number one rule. I never,

00:56:47.590 --> 00:56:51.610
ever, ever read the comments. It will destroy

00:56:51.610 --> 00:56:54.210
your life. He said, I've seen so many celebrities

00:56:54.210 --> 00:56:59.699
and mainly comedians destroy. their lives, their

00:56:59.699 --> 00:57:03.960
reputation, their mental health by engaging.

00:57:04.219 --> 00:57:08.699
He says, I do not look at it. I do not. If you

00:57:08.699 --> 00:57:11.380
ever replied to a Joe Rogan Instagram, he did

00:57:11.380 --> 00:57:14.820
not see it. I guarantee you he did not see it.

00:57:14.860 --> 00:57:18.440
Take some real discipline. But he knows a lot

00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:20.579
about discipline because, you know, the way he

00:57:20.579 --> 00:57:23.360
lives his life in general with professional training

00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:28.320
and UFC and, you know, taekwondo, whatever he

00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.480
was doing. And he has his other he has his temptations

00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:33.360
and his flaws. He's very he's well aware of them.

00:57:34.179 --> 00:57:39.719
But be like Joe. Don't just don't. It's amazing.

00:57:39.780 --> 00:57:44.199
I. I've been around for a long time. Before there

00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:46.539
was a web, we were using Gopher, man. This stuff

00:57:46.539 --> 00:57:50.199
was text. We had an internet and we had dial

00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.239
-up modems. I had five at the house. And you

00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:56.659
had one font. And two colors. That's right. That

00:57:56.659 --> 00:57:58.019
was it. And we were happy. You were green and

00:57:58.019 --> 00:57:59.760
greener. And we didn't have a mouse. We were

00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:06.239
happy. Monochrome. And I don't engage with anything

00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:10.260
anymore. And on the off chance, sometimes like,

00:58:10.699 --> 00:58:14.320
I just got a fire back. Nine times out of 10,

00:58:14.380 --> 00:58:17.039
I'll wind up deleting it. I have to be very careful

00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:21.239
with email because, you know, people will just

00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:25.719
in so insulting. And, and I've actually, there's

00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:27.679
a temptation I've actually had to stop doing

00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.679
because it was kind of funny to read those emails

00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:33.139
on the show with the voice that I heard them

00:58:33.139 --> 00:58:38.639
in. And it actually makes people very, very uncomfortable

00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:42.380
because like, Crap, I've done that. I've sent

00:58:42.380 --> 00:58:45.659
those emails. But I don't like it. I'm starting

00:58:45.659 --> 00:58:48.539
to stop, you know, shy away from that. But just

00:58:48.539 --> 00:58:51.159
don't. I mean, it's very possible. Just don't.

00:58:51.300 --> 00:58:55.320
You're not going to win any prize, anything.

00:58:55.340 --> 00:58:58.219
So this leads us to something else. You just

00:58:58.219 --> 00:59:02.619
really just launched something in my head. What

00:59:02.619 --> 00:59:07.239
is this sociological need that we have, sociological,

00:59:07.340 --> 00:59:10.500
psychological, both? to fire something back or

00:59:10.500 --> 00:59:12.860
feel like we always have to comment on something.

00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:16.980
It's chemical. I mean, literally. Now, as a pastor,

00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:19.260
I feel like there are things that I need to say

00:59:19.260 --> 00:59:22.960
as a leader of a large group of people that people

00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.239
want to hear from their pastor on certain things.

00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:27.800
So like the Charlie Kirk thing, I wrote something

00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:31.219
about it. I was not inflammatory. I wasn't calling

00:59:31.219 --> 00:59:33.699
names or anything like that. I just wrote about

00:59:33.699 --> 00:59:37.000
the impact of that. So I kept it in the boundaries

00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:41.139
and on the rails. In the guardrails. But why

00:59:41.139 --> 00:59:46.199
is it that every person feels like they have

00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:49.679
to say something about everything? Addiction.

00:59:50.099 --> 00:59:52.300
It's an addiction, pure and simple. It's got

00:59:52.300 --> 00:59:56.280
to be. I've had all kinds of addictions. I still

00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:59.380
have a nicotine addiction, although it's not

00:59:59.380 --> 01:00:02.860
like crippling if I don't vape my nicotine, but

01:00:02.860 --> 01:00:05.670
I like it and I like what it does. And I'm well

01:00:05.670 --> 01:00:09.150
aware of it. Coffee, caffeine, you know, we're

01:00:09.150 --> 01:00:14.530
all very aware of what it does. These are minor,

01:00:14.730 --> 01:00:18.309
but we talk about it casually now because it's

01:00:18.309 --> 01:00:22.750
been mentioned so often, the dopamine. Being

01:00:22.750 --> 01:00:26.690
bored or having nothing to do is actually a good

01:00:26.690 --> 01:00:30.909
human condition. We don't do well with boredom.

01:00:31.530 --> 01:00:34.690
Because we have too many temptations at our fingertips.

01:00:34.929 --> 01:00:39.510
And I've taken to standing in line at HEB and

01:00:39.510 --> 01:00:43.449
just standing there, not reaching for my phone.

01:00:43.650 --> 01:00:48.019
I do that too. It's really good. It's kind of

01:00:48.019 --> 01:00:50.059
fun seeing the cover of the National Enquirer

01:00:50.059 --> 01:00:51.780
and going, well, what is everybody talking about?

01:00:51.940 --> 01:00:54.960
And I look at the person in front of me. They're

01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.039
paying with a check. Oh, how cute is that? I'm

01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:59.719
not getting upset by it. I'm just observing what

01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:01.260
kind of, do they have printed checks? Do they

01:01:01.260 --> 01:01:05.099
have colorful checks? I'm looking at the cashier.

01:01:05.980 --> 01:01:08.340
I'm looking at the spelling of their name. That's

01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:11.099
an interesting spelling. I'm just trying to be

01:01:11.099 --> 01:01:14.639
present aware. And yeah, bored. I'm actually

01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:16.920
bored. And it's a good condition. I got to say

01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:19.679
this out loud. And I absolutely agree with you,

01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:22.480
even though I fail at this often. Sure. Adam

01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:24.699
Curry, you are good for me. And I want to say

01:01:24.699 --> 01:01:28.420
that in the right way, because you constantly

01:01:28.420 --> 01:01:32.519
remind me of how unnecessary this really is.

01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:36.559
I mean, you do. And I appreciate it. I love that

01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:40.289
you do that. So how can we help other people

01:01:40.289 --> 01:01:44.750
who are finding themselves trapped in that temptation?

01:01:45.530 --> 01:01:48.050
And that is to look at your phone. I forget what

01:01:48.050 --> 01:01:50.829
the stats are. It's a ridiculous number. Oh,

01:01:50.849 --> 01:01:52.889
eight hours a day. But what's funny, I'll laugh

01:01:52.889 --> 01:01:56.170
at a stat and go, that's ridiculous. But if I

01:01:56.170 --> 01:01:58.469
was to count how many times I pick my phone up

01:01:58.469 --> 01:02:01.010
and out of boredom, I'm not talking about if

01:02:01.010 --> 01:02:04.389
I'm actually getting a text from you or somebody

01:02:04.389 --> 01:02:08.500
else or Annette or my friends. I just do it because

01:02:08.500 --> 01:02:13.719
it's become this habit. And I would like, I'm

01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:16.460
just kidding. I'm joking. There's nothing there.

01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:18.860
I promise. I promise there's nothing there. I

01:02:18.860 --> 01:02:20.739
was just thinking that's how we act though, right?

01:02:20.940 --> 01:02:25.199
And I notice it more when I make these attempts

01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:29.460
to stop doing it so much. It changes my filter

01:02:29.460 --> 01:02:32.079
because now I'm noticing everybody else. Well,

01:02:32.099 --> 01:02:35.650
that's, so I play this game. The game is. Look

01:02:35.650 --> 01:02:37.789
at the robots. This is helpful, I think. Yeah.

01:02:37.829 --> 01:02:41.030
Look at the robot. And I give points. So if someone

01:02:41.030 --> 01:02:43.630
is walking with a phone and has a phone in their

01:02:43.630 --> 01:02:47.190
hand, that's a point. If they have a phone in

01:02:47.190 --> 01:02:50.150
either hand, you'll see some women actually have

01:02:50.150 --> 01:02:52.690
two different phones. Or business guys. It's

01:02:52.690 --> 01:02:55.190
more women than men. But yeah, that's three points.

01:02:55.690 --> 01:03:00.809
If someone is standing still on their phone in

01:03:00.809 --> 01:03:04.739
the middle of a public area, five points. If

01:03:04.739 --> 01:03:08.739
someone is on their phone while walking in public

01:03:08.739 --> 01:03:12.119
bonus, you're at 10 points and you tally those

01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:15.920
points up. You'll have well over 150 at the end

01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.119
of the day. Oh yeah. Now the thing I do is I,

01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:22.320
you know, so these modern phones actually got

01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:24.719
a modern phone. It's pretty interesting. I like

01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:27.199
your phone, by the way. It folds. Well, it's

01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:31.059
tiny. It folds. It's little until you unfold

01:03:31.059 --> 01:03:33.800
it. So all these modern phones, you can put widgets

01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:41.639
on your screen. And so I have a, on the main

01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:45.320
screen, I have a widget with one thing here.

01:03:45.380 --> 01:03:46.940
So you see there's nothing else. There's nothing

01:03:46.940 --> 01:03:48.739
else on that screen. Well, actually, there's

01:03:48.739 --> 01:03:51.260
a link there to talk to my friend who's in prison.

01:03:52.780 --> 01:03:56.480
And it is actually a daily grind from my brother,

01:03:56.599 --> 01:03:59.420
Pastor Jimmy. And it says, when fear rises, I

01:03:59.420 --> 01:04:02.579
pray. In Jesus' name, I break any and all agreements

01:04:02.579 --> 01:04:05.059
with the spirit of fear, and I receive your peace,

01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:08.119
courage, and freedom. In the name above all names,

01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:11.420
amen. Enjoy his peace. Now, sometimes I'll switch

01:04:11.420 --> 01:04:13.960
this out for something else, but put a widget

01:04:13.960 --> 01:04:17.139
on your home screen, move all your apps to another

01:04:17.139 --> 01:04:19.099
screen, and whenever you pick up the phone, that's

01:04:19.099 --> 01:04:21.400
the first thing you see. And just let it sink

01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:23.679
in for a second. Wow, it's great. We can do this

01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:27.420
with phones. And I love the... Yeah, all this

01:04:27.420 --> 01:04:29.679
is customizable. I mean, I could literally...

01:04:29.679 --> 01:04:31.619
And so here in the middle of my other screen,

01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:36.300
I have... It's the widget for the U version.

01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:39.960
Yeah, yeah. And it's the verse of the day. And

01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:44.440
it's in your face. Rewind your mind. Great. And

01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.860
when you do that, and then... I'm actually making

01:04:47.860 --> 01:04:51.630
this one up on the spot. Leave me not into temptation.

01:04:52.130 --> 01:04:54.409
Thank you, Lord, for leading me not into temptation.

01:04:54.670 --> 01:04:58.989
And then put it down. If we can do that, man,

01:04:59.110 --> 01:05:01.090
families are going to be better. You're going

01:05:01.090 --> 01:05:02.829
to have a better relationship with the people

01:05:02.829 --> 01:05:05.449
in your house. And by the way, working real hard

01:05:05.449 --> 01:05:09.010
on this myself. It's difficult. It's difficult.

01:05:09.329 --> 01:05:13.630
In a culture that this has become the norm. You're

01:05:13.630 --> 01:05:15.469
a weirdo if you don't carry one. Another thing

01:05:15.469 --> 01:05:19.429
is. So Tina and I were always together for breakfast

01:05:19.429 --> 01:05:22.730
and Bible study. And, you know, I do a lot of

01:05:22.730 --> 01:05:25.130
that on my phone. There's different devotionals

01:05:25.130 --> 01:05:28.110
and the Bridge Men's devotional comes through.

01:05:28.190 --> 01:05:31.489
But when my wife speaks to me, I put my phone

01:05:31.489 --> 01:05:36.590
down. I try, at least. I'm getting better at

01:05:36.590 --> 01:05:38.809
it. I'm like, I'm putting my phone down and I'm

01:05:38.809 --> 01:05:41.860
looking at her. And making sure that I make eye

01:05:41.860 --> 01:05:44.840
contact. I don't care what it is. I'm going to

01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:48.980
have that conversation. And it's not easy. But,

01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:50.639
you know, how many times have you spoken with

01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:53.340
someone who's answering you while answering a

01:05:53.340 --> 01:05:57.239
text? Drives me nuts. Happens all the time. And

01:05:57.239 --> 01:05:59.199
not Annette, because she's good about not. And

01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:01.360
may not finish their answer. Or, I mean, there's

01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:03.900
all kinds. And we're all guilty of it. But I

01:06:03.900 --> 01:06:06.239
think just being aware of it and really trying

01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:07.539
to solve some stuff. So Annette does have a habit

01:06:07.539 --> 01:06:11.309
sometimes where. If she's talking to Tina, it's

01:06:11.309 --> 01:06:16.349
always Tina. She'll, I'll say something and she

01:06:16.349 --> 01:06:18.429
won't answer. Oh, it'll come five seconds later.

01:06:18.670 --> 01:06:21.949
And I'm going, hello. And I'm said, you're talking

01:06:21.949 --> 01:06:23.690
to Tina, right? She goes, yeah, I'm trying to

01:06:23.690 --> 01:06:25.530
finish. I'm trying to finish. Hang on just a

01:06:25.530 --> 01:06:28.170
second. So it doesn't make me mad at Tina. It

01:06:28.170 --> 01:06:30.449
makes me laugh, actually, because it's the dynamic.

01:06:30.650 --> 01:06:34.139
I'm fully aware of the dynamic. So the reason

01:06:34.139 --> 01:06:35.840
why I think this will help people is because

01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.579
this leads to other things. We're talking about

01:06:38.579 --> 01:06:41.880
a very fundamental response. We've been trained

01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.440
like Pavlov's dog's ears, right? This is a Pavlov

01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.619
moment. For vibration, I need to pick my phone

01:06:48.619 --> 01:06:52.480
up. For almost 20 years, since 2007. Or if I

01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:54.320
haven't looked at my phone in five minutes, I

01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:56.579
feel the urge to check just in case something

01:06:56.579 --> 01:06:59.280
came through that I missed. I mean, what if I

01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:03.239
missed a call? I don't even use this thing as

01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:05.519
a phone anymore, hardly ever. I mean, it's not

01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:08.119
even a phone. That's when I got a call this morning

01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:10.559
from someone who was in a panicked state. It

01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:14.539
was a phone call. I'm like, oh, my Lord. What's

01:07:14.539 --> 01:07:15.840
going on? Can you come and help me? This must

01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:18.579
be an emergency. It has to be. Yes, exactly.

01:07:18.699 --> 01:07:20.579
The reason why I think this will help people

01:07:20.579 --> 01:07:24.460
is because if you can fundamentally change a

01:07:24.460 --> 01:07:28.199
flesh response, you can fundamentally change

01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:31.860
almost anything. Yes. I mean, because this is

01:07:31.860 --> 01:07:35.500
almost the worst eating, the worst addicts of

01:07:35.500 --> 01:07:37.699
the worst drugs, which, by the way, alcohol,

01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:40.300
number one, food, number two. And then you get

01:07:40.300 --> 01:07:43.400
all the heroin, et cetera. Right. Right. I know

01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:45.400
a lot of people who've been able to get over

01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:48.199
it and don't think that our addiction is any

01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:51.559
less addictive. Right. It has physical qualities.

01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:55.780
It has. chemical reaction qualities in our brains.

01:07:55.780 --> 01:07:58.239
No doubt. And I'm thinking here like, wow, I

01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:00.659
sound like I'm really holier than thou, but I

01:08:00.659 --> 01:08:05.800
am not. Nor am I. But actually, this is just

01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:07.300
good just to talk about it. This is good because

01:08:07.300 --> 01:08:09.539
it will help people because if we can get control

01:08:09.539 --> 01:08:13.199
of our appetites, whatever that is, it's amazing

01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:15.599
how you can control other things in terms of

01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.079
your own self -discipline. And I think that's

01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:19.880
important, even as we're talking about the way

01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:22.779
we respond. to the charlie kirk thing fundamentally

01:08:22.779 --> 01:08:25.479
you got to go back to the to the basics and go

01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:30.180
back to the foundations of why do i want to clap

01:08:30.180 --> 01:08:33.420
back because i saw somebody wrote write something

01:08:33.420 --> 01:08:36.800
or a video was disparaging of charlie kirk why

01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:40.800
do i feel the impulse to get on my computer and

01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:43.720
say something as though that would matter but

01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:47.039
there it is fundamentally the common denominator

01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:51.520
in every single issue that we have in our culture

01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:56.039
particularly when it comes to violence the common

01:08:56.039 --> 01:09:01.340
denominator is online because i was talking to

01:09:01.340 --> 01:09:04.060
people and it's not like one just because someone

01:09:04.060 --> 01:09:06.020
can talk to you that they're radicalizing you

01:09:06.020 --> 01:09:09.859
per se it's the whole ball of wax it's the whole

01:09:09.859 --> 01:09:13.600
thing it's just the and it's not just discord

01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:17.520
or just x or just no it's the fact that you're

01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:20.939
interacting with sometimes non -human entities,

01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:24.300
you might not even know it, but you're just reacting,

01:09:24.460 --> 01:09:28.979
interacting, and you are building up a chemical

01:09:28.979 --> 01:09:33.039
reaction in your own brain that can lead to very

01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:36.470
destructive things. And by the way, that's what

01:09:36.470 --> 01:09:38.869
addiction does. So we're fundamentally changing

01:09:38.869 --> 01:09:42.470
our neural pathways in very dangerous ways where

01:09:42.470 --> 01:09:45.109
they become auto responses. Jesus, come soon.

01:09:45.250 --> 01:09:47.250
We're screwed. Lord, Maranatha, come quickly,

01:09:47.390 --> 01:09:49.609
Lord Jesus. That's the last verse of Revelation.

01:09:50.390 --> 01:09:53.409
Yes. This is an important conversation, even

01:09:53.409 --> 01:09:55.829
though people will not enjoy this conversation

01:09:55.829 --> 01:09:57.850
because we don't like to be called out on our

01:09:57.850 --> 01:09:59.729
addictions, whether it's food or phones. No,

01:09:59.729 --> 01:10:03.369
of course not. We tend to want to. I know because

01:10:03.369 --> 01:10:06.909
I am. But I actually enjoy talking about it with

01:10:06.909 --> 01:10:09.750
you because it inspires me, not just motivates.

01:10:09.850 --> 01:10:13.069
It inspires me to go, I need to curb this. But

01:10:13.069 --> 01:10:16.449
here's the thing I notice. I know how addicted

01:10:16.449 --> 01:10:20.409
I am by how ineffective I am to curb it on my

01:10:20.409 --> 01:10:23.989
own. Yeah. So if I just make my decision, okay,

01:10:24.069 --> 01:10:25.449
I'm going to leave it in the car. I'm going to

01:10:25.449 --> 01:10:28.420
do this. I'll do it for a day. This is why we

01:10:28.420 --> 01:10:31.079
have Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous.

01:10:31.140 --> 01:10:33.739
It's very hard to do it alone. It is. It's very,

01:10:33.779 --> 01:10:37.159
very hard. And I would say if any takeaway from

01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:40.340
this conversation that we're having, dare to

01:10:40.340 --> 01:10:47.880
be bored and take a, what did Charlie call it?

01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:53.479
A fast. A fast. Fast from your phone, fast from

01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:55.159
your screen. Technology fast. Even if it's just

01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:58.350
Friday night to Saturday morning. What could

01:10:58.350 --> 01:11:00.430
personally happen? I think his was Friday night,

01:11:00.489 --> 01:11:03.649
Saturday night, like a Sabbath. But I'll start

01:11:03.649 --> 01:11:06.130
easy. Let's do Friday night to Saturday morning.

01:11:06.609 --> 01:11:10.729
Just nothing for that period of time. What could

01:11:10.729 --> 01:11:13.630
possibly happen work -wise or anything? And I'm

01:11:13.630 --> 01:11:14.850
not talking about your phone. I'm talking about

01:11:14.850 --> 01:11:17.310
the TV, everything. And if you're bored, if you're

01:11:17.310 --> 01:11:21.710
bored, pick up the Bible. Yeah. Put down your

01:11:21.710 --> 01:11:23.949
screens and pick up your Bibles. If we can't

01:11:23.949 --> 01:11:27.850
solve our boredom with some scripture, then maybe

01:11:27.850 --> 01:11:30.010
we need to figure out why the scripture is not

01:11:30.010 --> 01:11:32.970
hitting us. Wow. This is a challenge. Is it a

01:11:32.970 --> 01:11:35.149
big challenge? What am I doing? I'm sweating.

01:11:35.289 --> 01:11:37.489
I'm getting drops of sweat on my forehead right

01:11:37.489 --> 01:11:39.289
now. We started with a podcast and now we're

01:11:39.289 --> 01:11:41.090
giving, we got homework. We're doing therapy

01:11:41.090 --> 01:11:44.229
with each other here. This is so powerful though,

01:11:44.310 --> 01:11:48.029
because this is going to help people at a fundamental

01:11:48.029 --> 01:11:53.460
level. where we are all missing the boat on this.

01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:59.359
I know for me, when I'm bored, I tend to start

01:11:59.359 --> 01:12:01.560
looking into nature. I tend to watch the clouds

01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:04.560
more. I tend to notice where the sun is in the

01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:07.920
sky and how the light's refracting off the grass.

01:12:08.180 --> 01:12:10.720
I just start to notice textures in nature and

01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:13.520
textures in life. I just start to see what I

01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:16.699
haven't been seeing. I mentioned this at the

01:12:16.699 --> 01:12:18.560
Patriot Academy. They talked about level one

01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:22.180
through four. Yes, awareness. Level one is white.

01:12:22.340 --> 01:12:25.520
And they gave the example of a guy walking down

01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:27.899
a street looking at his phone. That to me is

01:12:27.899 --> 01:12:30.140
probably hard. You're the most vulnerable. Very.

01:12:30.420 --> 01:12:34.460
Yeah. You're a target right there. And a crook,

01:12:34.460 --> 01:12:38.140
a criminal, anyone who's nefarious will see you

01:12:38.140 --> 01:12:40.340
and they'll go easy pickings right there. Even

01:12:40.340 --> 01:12:42.420
when you're at the airport at baggage claim.

01:12:42.810 --> 01:12:45.189
Oh, my God. You're just waiting to be pickpocketed.

01:12:45.210 --> 01:12:47.750
So I do notice this stuff because we fly a lot.

01:12:47.810 --> 01:12:49.770
We flew last week. We're flying out in the morning

01:12:49.770 --> 01:12:53.710
to Nashville. And I notice in airports how I

01:12:53.710 --> 01:12:55.789
was sitting there. You know, you go sit in the

01:12:55.789 --> 01:12:58.430
seats. You got, gosh, 30 minutes. We got a board.

01:12:59.029 --> 01:13:01.270
So what do we do? What does everybody in the

01:13:01.270 --> 01:13:03.029
airport do? Hop on the phone, baby. Immediately.

01:13:03.170 --> 01:13:05.250
They're either on their computer, their tablet,

01:13:05.289 --> 01:13:08.350
or their phone. Very few people are having any

01:13:08.350 --> 01:13:12.619
kind of conversation. No eye contact. You're

01:13:12.619 --> 01:13:15.380
either people watching, but people don't even

01:13:15.380 --> 01:13:18.260
people watch anymore. They screen watch, especially

01:13:18.260 --> 01:13:20.680
in an airport. So the last couple of times we've

01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:23.420
flown, I've waited to get my phone out. I put

01:13:23.420 --> 01:13:25.979
it in my bag when I go through check, you know,

01:13:25.979 --> 01:13:28.739
TSA. I stick it in my bag and I wait for a while

01:13:28.739 --> 01:13:32.060
to pull it out. And when I do, it's amazing what

01:13:32.060 --> 01:13:36.039
I start to notice. There's a great book by Andy

01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:40.340
Andrews called The Noticer. And it's a story.

01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:43.039
It's part of his life story, but it was a man

01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:45.560
that came into his life and he talked about what

01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:48.500
it means to become a noticer, where you begin

01:13:48.500 --> 01:13:51.680
to notice things in the world around you. It's

01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:54.760
fascinating. There's no way you can notice it.

01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:57.560
It's the opposite of boredom. It is. When you're

01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:02.500
a noticer. And a lot of talking heads on mainly

01:14:02.500 --> 01:14:05.739
cable news were saying, you know, so -and -so

01:14:05.739 --> 01:14:07.960
said, go out and touch grass. That's the right

01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:12.119
thing. But I'm like, no. Go out and marvel at

01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:15.439
God's beauty, what he has created. Marvel at

01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:17.699
every little thing. Stop and listen for a second

01:14:17.699 --> 01:14:20.760
to the birds singing, to the dog barking, even

01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:24.659
to the car with the muffler leak going down,

01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:28.800
everything. But really, nature, smell, especially

01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:30.720
out here in Fredericksburg, you can just smell

01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:33.079
sometimes. You smell. Some cool smells. There's

01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:36.949
good smells. I love doing that. But, of course,

01:14:37.029 --> 01:14:39.270
we're old dudes now, so we appreciate this stuff.

01:14:39.470 --> 01:14:42.789
It's like, the older we get. We have a homework

01:14:42.789 --> 01:14:47.479
assignment. Challenge. Challenge. Friday night

01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:49.140
to Saturday morning. Friday to Saturday morning.

01:14:49.140 --> 01:14:52.039
Start there. And let's dare to be bored. Yes.

01:14:52.380 --> 01:14:55.220
So you're going to a culture and Christianity

01:14:55.220 --> 01:14:57.500
conference? We fly out in the morning. We're

01:14:57.500 --> 01:14:59.939
going out to Nashville. The conference is in

01:14:59.939 --> 01:15:02.899
Murfreesboro at Alan Jackson's church. Oh, fantastic.

01:15:03.220 --> 01:15:06.079
By the way, I was with Rick Green yesterday out

01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:09.319
at the Patriot Academy. He had just done. A podcast

01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:12.920
is in the Tavern podcast with Alan Jackson. Oh,

01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:15.939
wow. That'll be good. He loves Alan. So do we.

01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:19.380
I'm curious with this conversation we've just

01:15:19.380 --> 01:15:22.520
had taking that with you, how you will look at

01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:24.539
a lot of the things being said at this conference.

01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:27.199
I'll give a report. I'll give a report. And in

01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:31.100
my airport experience. Yes. Travel report. Absolutely.

01:15:31.220 --> 01:15:33.760
So we probably won't have a show next week because

01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:35.699
you are traveling through the whole week. And,

01:15:35.699 --> 01:15:39.210
you know. In my mind, it's like that's God is

01:15:39.210 --> 01:15:41.409
telling us you could skip a show. We're going

01:15:41.409 --> 01:15:44.829
to be fine. People seem to enjoy what we're doing.

01:15:44.869 --> 01:15:47.510
Although Pastor Russ did say, instead of doing

01:15:47.510 --> 01:15:49.130
the podcast, could you come and learn how to

01:15:49.130 --> 01:15:50.850
run the board up here? Because we want a backup

01:15:50.850 --> 01:15:54.399
guy. Forget that podcasting thing, podfather.

01:15:54.899 --> 01:15:57.420
Forget that you invented that. I need you on

01:15:57.420 --> 01:16:01.420
the board. Brother, I love this. This is so good.

01:16:01.619 --> 01:16:04.640
And we get to do this. Thank you, Lord. We get

01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:07.199
to do this. This is just, this is, this is like.

01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:09.260
picking up the cross in a whole different way.

01:16:09.340 --> 01:16:12.180
I'm really enjoying it. Have a great trip. Thank

01:16:12.180 --> 01:16:14.359
you, brother. I'll keep you posted and I'll take

01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:17.340
pictures. Yes, indeed. And we'll be back probably

01:16:17.340 --> 01:16:19.699
in about two weeks from now. We get to do this.

01:16:19.699 --> 01:16:21.060
We'll see you then, everybody. Bye -bye.