WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.399 Lord Jesus, first of all, we give everything 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:06.099 we do and say to you. It's our heart to honor 00:00:06.099 --> 00:00:08.820 you. It's our heart to honor your values, your 00:00:08.820 --> 00:00:11.800 heart. We want to reflect and radiate who you 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:15.019 are. We give you this podcast, and may it be 00:00:15.019 --> 00:00:18.179 a blessing to everyone who listens. In Jesus' 00:00:18.300 --> 00:00:22.359 name, amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, September 10th, 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:26.120 2025. We get to do this. This is episode number 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:45.109 two. We get to do this. You know, the only thing 00:00:45.109 --> 00:00:46.890 that's hard about starting off with a prayer 00:00:46.890 --> 00:00:50.869 is I always like to fold my hands, and I can't 00:00:50.869 --> 00:00:52.609 hit the button. No, no, you've got to be ready. 00:00:52.609 --> 00:00:54.450 I'm not ready for it at that point. You've got 00:00:54.450 --> 00:00:56.329 to be ready to roll, ready to hit. Hit the donut. 00:00:56.670 --> 00:00:58.609 Hey, brother, how you doing? I am doing great. 00:00:58.729 --> 00:01:01.729 Good to see you. Welcome back from the great 00:01:01.729 --> 00:01:04.989 city of Big Smoke. Formerly great city of Austin. 00:01:05.170 --> 00:01:07.310 Yes, Big Smoke of Austin. Tina and I stayed overnight 00:01:07.310 --> 00:01:09.390 there last night with some friends who we've 00:01:09.390 --> 00:01:16.079 known. Gosh, at least six years probably. And 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:20.680 she actually works for Sloan Kettering. She's 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:23.180 a consultant. She knows a lot about the pharmaceutical 00:01:23.180 --> 00:01:25.700 industry. Oh, interesting. Yes. Boots on the 00:01:25.700 --> 00:01:27.900 ground. Had some boots on the ground from her. 00:01:27.980 --> 00:01:30.159 He used to work in the entertainment industry. 00:01:30.379 --> 00:01:35.019 He was the chief financial officer and later 00:01:35.019 --> 00:01:39.590 the co -president of Marvel. Oh, wow. Yeah. Until 00:01:39.590 --> 00:01:43.569 they went all DEI and kicked everybody. I think 00:01:43.569 --> 00:01:45.250 he actually has a lawsuit running against him. 00:01:45.450 --> 00:01:48.870 Did you say vice president? He was no co -president. 00:01:48.930 --> 00:01:51.810 Co -president. Wow. Yeah. We call that in West 00:01:51.810 --> 00:01:55.530 Texas, tall cotton. He's in tall cotton. There's 00:01:55.530 --> 00:01:57.569 a show title for you right there. Tall cotton. 00:01:57.569 --> 00:01:59.250 You better jot that down. I like it a lot. Jot 00:01:59.250 --> 00:02:02.150 it down. Just in case. So what do you think they 00:02:02.150 --> 00:02:05.689 were talking about in Austin? What is the big 00:02:05.689 --> 00:02:09.710 topic of the day? Wow. There is so much happening 00:02:09.710 --> 00:02:15.289 in this last new, fresh recession reboot. There's 00:02:15.289 --> 00:02:17.909 a lot going on right now. It's the new logo. 00:02:18.490 --> 00:02:23.129 Oh, I saw that. Was it is it Canva or is it not? 00:02:23.270 --> 00:02:26.129 Well, I think the joke is it's hilarious. It 00:02:26.129 --> 00:02:28.129 was one point two million dollars to develop 00:02:28.129 --> 00:02:31.830 this by someone who couldn't afford to pay for 00:02:31.830 --> 00:02:35.710 premium Canva. Exactly. Yeah. And it looks like 00:02:35.710 --> 00:02:39.569 a tent, which, of course, is kind of. You know, 00:02:39.710 --> 00:02:41.770 I'm a Canva kind of guy. I know. You're good 00:02:41.770 --> 00:02:44.189 at Canva. Well, it's because I can't do anything 00:02:44.189 --> 00:02:46.650 else. It's the only thing I know how to do. I'm 00:02:46.650 --> 00:02:48.969 with you on that. I enjoy it. It's good. It's 00:02:48.969 --> 00:02:52.629 good for guys like me, but for high -level professional, 00:02:53.090 --> 00:02:57.389 I could have done that for $100. Gladly. And 00:02:57.389 --> 00:02:59.770 what's interesting is, you know, everyone's all 00:02:59.770 --> 00:03:03.009 in a tussle about this. I'm like, yeah, it's 00:03:03.009 --> 00:03:05.419 ridiculous. But is that really the number one 00:03:05.419 --> 00:03:08.080 problem you have in Austin? But that's what everybody 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:11.259 focuses on. I know. And I look at the logo. I'm 00:03:11.259 --> 00:03:14.379 like, it's OK. I mean, you've selected logos 00:03:14.379 --> 00:03:18.080 in the past. And sometimes it's hard to break 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:20.780 someone's creative heart and just say, hey, man, 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:22.860 this thing is just no good. It's just not what 00:03:22.860 --> 00:03:24.900 I'm looking for. I heard a handful of people 00:03:24.900 --> 00:03:27.990 one time because they. Took a whole department 00:03:27.990 --> 00:03:31.349 to develop a logo and it was not good. I still 00:03:31.349 --> 00:03:32.969 keep telling you, I'm going to show that to you. 00:03:33.009 --> 00:03:34.650 I got to show it to you. I'm not going to go 00:03:34.650 --> 00:03:36.750 into details. I don't want to protect the guilty. 00:03:36.849 --> 00:03:39.930 So, you know, but anyway, you know, Austin's 00:03:39.930 --> 00:03:41.930 an interesting thing. I mean, you pull up anything, 00:03:42.090 --> 00:03:44.889 Austin, on whether it's Instagram or anything, 00:03:45.030 --> 00:03:47.689 social media, you get the robot running around 00:03:47.689 --> 00:03:50.590 falling down. You know, there's this robot they 00:03:50.590 --> 00:03:53.629 have. And these guys are following him around. 00:03:53.810 --> 00:03:56.009 You know, it's Orion or something like that. 00:03:56.189 --> 00:03:58.969 Or Oris. I can't remember which one it is. But 00:03:58.969 --> 00:04:01.169 anyway, he keeps bumping into stuff and he keeps 00:04:01.169 --> 00:04:03.770 glitching. Yeah. It's talking to somebody that 00:04:03.770 --> 00:04:05.810 knocks this lady off the curb. I mean, it's like, 00:04:05.990 --> 00:04:09.629 OK. Yeah. Austin's insane. And all the Waymo 00:04:09.629 --> 00:04:12.090 cars driving around. I mean, there are just. 00:04:12.189 --> 00:04:14.650 Oh, must be a hundred of them. Yet another clip. 00:04:15.030 --> 00:04:18.160 There's a video of these. Honestly, it's homeless 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:20.920 guys that are running out in front of the car, 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.120 making it stop. And they're dancing in front 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:25.279 of it. Oh, no goodness. Just to mess with it. 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:28.000 Because it can't do anything. Yeah, people will 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:31.019 put traffic cones on the hood. And the minute 00:04:31.019 --> 00:04:32.660 you do that, it just completely. It just stops. 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.139 Yeah, it's disabled. It can't do anything. Yeah. 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:38.399 But just because we lived in Austin for quite 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.199 a while. And it just doesn't. You know what? 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:43.759 Tina nailed it. She says it feels like we're 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:48.079 further away from God. Wow. Yeah. And these people 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:50.980 are believers. They go to a church in Austin. 00:04:51.819 --> 00:04:53.879 There's some good churches in Austin. For sure. 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.240 There's some really good ones, but it just feels 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:59.079 like that. Yeah, I get it. You just get that 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:02.600 feel. So, of course, I missed the men's breakfast 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:04.680 Saturday because we were gone. How was that? 00:05:04.699 --> 00:05:07.319 What a morning. Pastor Brian brought a message. 00:05:07.459 --> 00:05:09.240 Of course, he's hardcore. I mean, he's like... 00:05:09.610 --> 00:05:11.750 All up in men's grills. You got to man up, be 00:05:11.750 --> 00:05:15.110 strong, be a man. I mean, he's so good, but it 00:05:15.110 --> 00:05:18.290 was great. Such a great, it's amazing when men 00:05:18.290 --> 00:05:20.970 come together. Yeah. And to the banner of Jesus 00:05:20.970 --> 00:05:22.709 Christ, you know, you can come together under 00:05:22.709 --> 00:05:25.509 a lot of things. You come for a gun show or a 00:05:25.509 --> 00:05:28.990 hot rod show or a horse show, you know, trucks, 00:05:29.170 --> 00:05:31.629 men's stuff, you know, that kind of stuff. But 00:05:31.629 --> 00:05:33.490 when they come together under the banner of Christ, 00:05:33.689 --> 00:05:35.490 you, I was looking around the room, I was sitting 00:05:35.490 --> 00:05:38.300 in the back and I'm just observing. And I'm seeing 00:05:38.300 --> 00:05:41.079 a Texas Ranger over here. I'm seeing a police 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:43.500 officer over here, a firefighter over here. I 00:05:43.500 --> 00:05:45.980 mean, these are men. These are men that do men 00:05:45.980 --> 00:05:51.220 stuff, like save lives, rescue people, arrest 00:05:51.220 --> 00:05:54.000 bad guys, put bad guys away. And I'm looking 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.079 at them, and they're standing there raising their 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:57.939 hands in worship. I love that. Worshiping Jesus. 00:05:58.540 --> 00:06:01.160 But they may be sitting by somebody who does 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:04.600 none of those things. And yet there's this camaraderie. 00:06:04.970 --> 00:06:08.149 There's this fellowship, this brotherhood around 00:06:08.149 --> 00:06:10.670 Christ. Also a vulnerability because, of course, 00:06:10.750 --> 00:06:14.430 almost every single men's breakfast. And there's 00:06:14.430 --> 00:06:17.470 a vulnerability and guys just they're able to 00:06:17.470 --> 00:06:20.670 open up to each other about just stuff that we 00:06:20.670 --> 00:06:23.269 might not even tell our wives, you know, and 00:06:23.269 --> 00:06:24.870 you don't even think about it. Honestly, you 00:06:24.870 --> 00:06:26.870 just like, hey, man, this is how I feel about 00:06:26.870 --> 00:06:29.529 stuff sometimes. And the conversations that are 00:06:29.529 --> 00:06:32.689 sparked is it's really safe. It's very, yes, 00:06:32.769 --> 00:06:36.029 indeed. And that's part of our goal is to create 00:06:36.029 --> 00:06:38.949 safety, a sense where guys can just kind of go, 00:06:39.069 --> 00:06:42.269 you know what, man, I've had a bad week. This 00:06:42.269 --> 00:06:44.709 week sucked. This sucks to be me right now. And 00:06:44.709 --> 00:06:47.529 to create that atmosphere where guys feel safe 00:06:47.529 --> 00:06:50.529 and can just be open and vulnerable is amazing. 00:06:50.970 --> 00:06:53.589 And to do that in front of their sons, because 00:06:53.589 --> 00:06:56.569 we've got kids there too, which is really interesting 00:06:56.569 --> 00:06:59.889 dynamic. I was watching some of these young kids. 00:06:59.990 --> 00:07:01.850 You know, they're kind of clueless. I mean, at 00:07:01.850 --> 00:07:04.110 that age, I was clueless. We all were. Jimmy, 00:07:04.149 --> 00:07:06.029 we're still clueless. We're still clueless. Okay, 00:07:06.129 --> 00:07:09.610 I have not graduated above 12, basically. But 00:07:09.610 --> 00:07:13.089 I'm watching these kids. I'm going, they don't 00:07:13.089 --> 00:07:15.410 even know what they're getting right now. Maybe 00:07:15.410 --> 00:07:18.910 someday it'll begin to. It's like seeds dropping 00:07:18.910 --> 00:07:22.430 into soil. Yeah. And someday that'll bring forth 00:07:22.430 --> 00:07:26.199 a harvest, right? Down the road. And I was watching 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:30.399 a guy, he's a first responder. He's holding his 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:33.759 son in his arms, just holding him. And I'm watching 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.600 it just going, this is amazing. And I'm watching 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:38.639 another guy who was a former major league baseball 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:41.439 player, played in the major leagues for 15 years. 00:07:41.540 --> 00:07:43.300 He's a giant, you know, Jonathan, he's a big 00:07:43.300 --> 00:07:47.360 guy. And he's holding his son in his arms while 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:49.439 Pastor Brian's just ripping, you know, and I'm 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:54.480 just like. This is what it means to pass the 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.740 baton to the next generation, to bring these 00:07:57.740 --> 00:08:00.220 young people into this environment. Even if they 00:08:00.220 --> 00:08:03.120 don't get it now, they're getting some. Their 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.319 spirit's getting it, even if their heart and 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:08.920 head's not yet. And to be exposed to that. I 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:11.620 mean, things that I were exposed to as a young 00:08:11.620 --> 00:08:13.759 man, going to the firehouse with my dad. He was 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:16.439 a firefighter and first responder. And getting 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:19.470 to just hang out around. Guys that I looked up 00:08:19.470 --> 00:08:22.589 to as heroes. These are firefighters. And I'm 00:08:22.589 --> 00:08:25.069 the kid, and I'm spending the night there on 00:08:25.069 --> 00:08:28.189 a Saturday night with my dad in the bunkhouse. 00:08:28.670 --> 00:08:30.889 But I'm doing everything they're doing. I'm cleaning 00:08:30.889 --> 00:08:33.730 things. I'm washing dishes. I'm helping prep 00:08:33.730 --> 00:08:37.669 for food. I'm playing ping pong. By the way, 00:08:37.730 --> 00:08:40.429 I became a killer ping pong player hanging out 00:08:40.429 --> 00:08:42.990 at the firehouse. For real. I need to play you 00:08:42.990 --> 00:08:45.830 because I'm not bad at ping pong. Or as we say 00:08:45.830 --> 00:08:48.970 in the old country, table tennis. Table tennis, 00:08:49.129 --> 00:08:52.429 my friend. We just call it ping pong. Hey, at 00:08:52.429 --> 00:08:55.590 Texas Tech, I was like one of the top players 00:08:55.590 --> 00:08:57.889 during my time there. I was beating the Chinese 00:08:57.889 --> 00:09:01.110 guys. What? I'm just saying. Okay. Yeah, it'll 00:09:01.110 --> 00:09:05.289 be fun. So the other thing is that even when 00:09:05.289 --> 00:09:07.509 men are together in a group, it's more like a, 00:09:07.529 --> 00:09:10.450 hey, hey, hey, boss, how you doing, man? You 00:09:10.450 --> 00:09:12.669 know, it's a kind of, you macho up just kind 00:09:12.669 --> 00:09:15.909 of by yourself. But in this setting, it's just. 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.399 Ooh, you just let it all kind of be there. I'm 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:20.779 not going to lie, though. I like pulling into 00:09:20.779 --> 00:09:23.840 our parking lot. It starts at 830. I pull in 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:27.279 at 820. And almost every vehicle is a pickup. 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:32.299 A pickup truck. F -250 with lift kits. I'm going, 00:09:32.419 --> 00:09:35.720 now this is testosterone, man. This is for real. 00:09:35.899 --> 00:09:38.080 That's right. But I love that because these guys, 00:09:38.340 --> 00:09:41.440 yeah, I mean. I mean, we're in Texas, right? 00:09:41.580 --> 00:09:44.019 So we don't call 911 here. I'm just saying our 00:09:44.019 --> 00:09:47.620 guys, they're the real deal. But when you get 00:09:47.620 --> 00:09:49.779 them all together in a room and Russ Hearn gets 00:09:49.779 --> 00:09:51.720 up there, our worship leader, and starts leading 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.159 worship, these guys are just like, before God, 00:09:54.340 --> 00:09:57.940 open. It was beautiful. The whole morning was 00:09:57.940 --> 00:10:02.700 amazing. I leave just lifted. Yeah. I'm bummed 00:10:02.700 --> 00:10:05.000 I missed it, honestly. It's like, we already 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:06.919 had this longstanding arrangement. It's good 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:11.169 for us. So you were in Austin for a day. Yeah. 00:10:11.470 --> 00:10:13.389 Evening. Yes. Yeah. Hanging out with friends. 00:10:13.450 --> 00:10:18.289 We had sushi. This was not H -E -B. No, no. We're 00:10:18.289 --> 00:10:21.789 talking real sushi. But it feels like New York, 00:10:21.870 --> 00:10:25.409 man. Everyone is it's busy. It's loud. It's noisy. 00:10:25.889 --> 00:10:28.590 Yeah. It's a bit. Everyone looks like an influencer. 00:10:28.789 --> 00:10:34.210 Yeah. You know, it's just so. And also, you know, 00:10:34.210 --> 00:10:38.029 I'm 61 now. So I'm in my 60s. We're seeing things 00:10:38.029 --> 00:10:40.350 differently. I'm seeing things very differently. 00:10:40.730 --> 00:10:44.710 I am. Something happened with this birthday. 00:10:44.929 --> 00:10:47.090 Interesting you mentioned that because I was 00:10:47.090 --> 00:10:49.210 just listening to a Will Regan song that's on 00:10:49.210 --> 00:10:52.429 the Godcaster. And it's about hurry. And it's 00:10:52.429 --> 00:10:56.210 about not hurrying. I'm not in a hurry. Yeah, 00:10:56.250 --> 00:10:59.210 of course. Yes. I'd never listened to the words 00:10:59.210 --> 00:11:00.950 of that. I just, I didn't even know. It feels 00:11:00.950 --> 00:11:02.909 like a song out of time. Like it's another from 00:11:02.909 --> 00:11:05.370 another generation. It almost, isn't that, it 00:11:05.370 --> 00:11:07.409 has a little bit of an R and B kind of vibe to 00:11:07.409 --> 00:11:10.049 it. Yeah. But that dude, he was a worship leader 00:11:10.049 --> 00:11:12.730 up in Colorado Springs. I mean, he, he wrote 00:11:12.730 --> 00:11:14.710 some big songs in the, in the worship industry, 00:11:14.830 --> 00:11:17.029 but he's kind of stepped back from all of that. 00:11:17.110 --> 00:11:19.929 Yeah. And that song, I was just listening to 00:11:19.929 --> 00:11:22.889 it coming in while major downpour here in Fredericksburg 00:11:22.889 --> 00:11:25.090 right now. But as I'm coming out and listen to 00:11:25.090 --> 00:11:27.059 that song, it's interesting. I don't know about 00:11:27.059 --> 00:11:30.220 you, but I get things in multiples. Like I'll 00:11:30.220 --> 00:11:33.580 hear somebody talking about being quiet. I'll 00:11:33.580 --> 00:11:36.200 hear somebody I read this morning, Victor Marks, 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:38.399 talking about silence. These are messages when 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:40.559 you get it in multiples. I'm getting these multiples. 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:43.419 I've gotten four just in the last couple of days. 00:11:43.860 --> 00:11:46.639 And then I was listening to Will Reagan coming 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:49.340 in, pouring down rain. I mean, I'm like hydroplaning 00:11:49.340 --> 00:11:51.980 most of the way in, right? And I turn up my radio 00:11:51.980 --> 00:11:55.399 really loud just to overcome the downpour on 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:59.970 the car. And he's singing, I'm not in a hurry. 00:12:00.149 --> 00:12:03.090 And I'm just like, okay, God, I'm starting to 00:12:03.090 --> 00:12:05.649 get this. Slow down. Slow down. Take your time. 00:12:05.690 --> 00:12:09.389 It's going to be okay. Convergence. First of 00:12:09.389 --> 00:12:12.210 all, wasn't that your word of the year? It is 00:12:12.210 --> 00:12:14.850 my word of this year. And was it Tim Barton? 00:12:14.850 --> 00:12:18.350 No, it was from the— Lance Wallnau. Lance Wallnau. 00:12:18.409 --> 00:12:20.169 He was talking about convergence, which I used 00:12:20.169 --> 00:12:25.279 to call— Oh, what's the word? Synchronicity. 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:27.919 That's a good word. I remember from, yeah, yeah. 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.220 The guy from the police. Sting. Yeah, Sting. 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.580 Oh, yeah. Great song. Great song, by the way. 00:12:34.059 --> 00:12:36.159 Synchronicity. And now I know, it's like, I see 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.440 this all the time. Like, the same scripture will 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:40.759 pop up in two different devotionals on the same 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:43.879 day. Or, you know, just. Yeah, it happens a lot. 00:12:43.940 --> 00:12:46.440 From different places. Yeah, and I pay attention 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:49.419 to that. That's when God is telling me, pay attention. 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:54.740 I learned a new word today. A God flick. You 00:12:54.740 --> 00:12:56.039 remember when you were a kid and you'd flick 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.559 somebody's ear? Another kid's ear? I still do 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:00.840 that to my daughter from time to time. Ooh, ouch. 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:04.159 That hurts. Be quiet, you. A God flick. Wow. 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:05.759 Somebody said it to me today. He said, yeah, 00:13:05.779 --> 00:13:07.580 I've got a God flick. I'm like, I looked at him. 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:09.259 He goes, you know how you used to flick each 00:13:09.259 --> 00:13:11.159 other? I'll go, okay. When we were kids, I remember 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.080 now. Wow. It's a God flick. So all of a sudden 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:16.360 you go, wait a minute. God's trying to get something 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:19.399 to me. Yes. Through these different channels. 00:13:19.940 --> 00:13:22.240 Yeah. Anyway, mine's slowed down, apparently. 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:29.159 So, actually, Just speaking of that, some scripture 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:31.659 just popped up for me a couple times. I wrote 00:13:31.659 --> 00:13:34.899 it down because it doesn't pertain to this, but 00:13:34.899 --> 00:13:38.179 it kind of does because this was one that when 00:13:38.179 --> 00:13:41.860 I was just starting on the faith walk, this one 00:13:41.860 --> 00:13:45.559 just pumped into my head so hard. And it's part 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:49.399 of the Lord's prayer of forgive us of our debts 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:52.080 as we forgive our debtors. Beautiful. And I forgot. 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:55.759 You know, it's amazing how you read scripture. 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:57.980 And, you know, I was completely into Ephesians 00:13:57.980 --> 00:14:00.820 for a while, especially six. And I just, just 00:14:00.820 --> 00:14:04.480 drinking it all in. And then Proverbs 25, 21 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:08.500 to 22 pops up. And I just have to keep remembering 00:14:08.500 --> 00:14:11.820 this. If your enemies are hungry, give them food 00:14:11.820 --> 00:14:13.879 to eat. If they're thirsty, give them water to 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.559 drink. You will keep burning coals or shame on 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:21.169 their heads and the Lord will reward you. I keep 00:14:21.169 --> 00:14:23.649 reminding myself like, cause you know, we got 00:14:23.649 --> 00:14:25.750 some trouble going on the street right now where 00:14:25.750 --> 00:14:28.490 we live. There's one family who moved in and 00:14:28.490 --> 00:14:30.730 they're, they're kind of disrupting the neighborhood. 00:14:31.029 --> 00:14:34.029 Yeah. And we had a meeting, you know, the neighbor 00:14:34.029 --> 00:14:36.470 had a meeting like a Java ranch, you know, like, 00:14:36.470 --> 00:14:38.070 yeah, man, we're going to have a meeting. Yeah. 00:14:38.250 --> 00:14:41.029 We got to have a meeting. And I brought this 00:14:41.029 --> 00:14:42.730 up to them. I said, can I just remind, cause 00:14:42.730 --> 00:14:44.919 they're all believers. Yeah. Good folks. Yeah. 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:47.059 Can I just remind everybody of this? And, you 00:14:47.059 --> 00:14:49.379 know, and I prayed over the meeting and I said, 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:51.519 let me just remind you of this. And I think it 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:53.580 made a difference because, man, there was some 00:14:53.580 --> 00:14:55.879 anger. Just, you know, hey, these people are 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:57.759 disrupting the neighborhood. And like, well, 00:14:57.860 --> 00:15:00.200 let's just think about how we can approach this. 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:03.159 I don't know if it'll stick that long, but it 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:05.179 felt good to say it. Now you threw up a flag. 00:15:05.419 --> 00:15:07.960 Yeah, I did. I did. I don't think they thought 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:09.840 it would. They didn't see it coming for me. Yeah. 00:15:10.169 --> 00:15:13.330 That's good. What's this podcast guy doing here? 00:15:13.450 --> 00:15:15.710 What's this podcast guy? Well done, brother. 00:15:15.850 --> 00:15:18.370 Well played. So I brought a couple clips. Okay. 00:15:19.789 --> 00:15:21.889 Just stuff that's been going on this week. And 00:15:21.889 --> 00:15:27.309 I think the main thing that probably has filled 00:15:27.309 --> 00:15:31.490 everyone's timeline is RFK Jr. Wow. And, you 00:15:31.490 --> 00:15:38.059 know, he was called to testify. about, you know, 00:15:38.059 --> 00:15:43.039 why he's, you know, defunding mRNA and all this 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:47.080 stuff. And amongst all of the noise, because, 00:15:47.139 --> 00:15:48.559 you know, what you're going to get, you're not 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:51.360 going to see anything but the clips of fire and 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.720 brimstone and anger. Elizabeth Warren losing 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.200 her mind. Completely going nuts. Right. I saw 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:02.039 that. I actually, let me see. I wanted to bring 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:04.840 up, I didn't have this one prepared, actually. 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:08.019 It's all right. But there's, in this opening 00:16:08.019 --> 00:16:12.500 statement, he actually got to tell everybody 00:16:12.500 --> 00:16:14.879 what he's been doing. And I was thinking to myself, 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:18.320 you know, this is something that no one will 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:20.220 hear. They're not going to play any clips of 00:16:20.220 --> 00:16:24.299 this. It seems I don't have it after all. But 00:16:24.299 --> 00:16:27.990 it was quite amazing. I know you and Devorah, 00:16:28.009 --> 00:16:30.470 you and John talked a little bit about on No 00:16:30.470 --> 00:16:33.190 Agenda. Yeah. And, you know, what he's done with 00:16:33.190 --> 00:16:36.169 food dyes and with baby formula and fluoride 00:16:36.169 --> 00:16:38.429 in the water and just, but really trying to make 00:16:38.429 --> 00:16:42.210 people healthy. And, and I look at these representatives 00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:46.169 who I think truly, you have to think that they 00:16:46.169 --> 00:16:49.230 really believe where they stand and whether that's 00:16:49.230 --> 00:16:51.250 because a lobbyist has been showing them charts 00:16:51.250 --> 00:16:54.370 and stuff forever and ever and ever. But ultimately 00:16:54.370 --> 00:16:59.899 the clip I brought, He's from the Florida Surgeon 00:16:59.899 --> 00:17:05.500 General. Oh, good one. I forget his name. And 00:17:05.500 --> 00:17:08.599 this is a clip from France 24. So, you know, 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:10.880 it's a little bit of an overview about how crazy 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:14.140 the Floridians are to say no more mandated vaccinations. 00:17:14.539 --> 00:17:17.299 But what he said was just I thought it was fantastic. 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.119 For decades, public health guidance has been 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:23.519 clear. Vaccines save lives and prevent the spread 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:26.799 of disease. Now, Florida wants to break from 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.059 the science and become the first US state to 00:17:29.059 --> 00:17:32.059 get rid of all its vaccine mandates. This would 00:17:32.059 --> 00:17:34.599 also extend to children who are currently. required 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.359 to be immunized against certain infections, such 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:40.359 as measles, mumps, and polio, before going to 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:43.359 school. Florida's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:45.720 framed it as a protection of parental rights. 00:17:45.980 --> 00:17:48.059 The state surgeon general said the government 00:17:48.059 --> 00:17:51.279 shouldn't infringe on bodily autonomy. Your body 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.559 is a gift from God. What you put into your body 00:17:55.559 --> 00:18:02.160 is because of your relationship with your body 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.640 and your God. I don't have that right. Government 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:09.839 does not have that right. I thought that was, 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:13.859 and it was funny because on No Agenda, Dvorak 00:18:13.859 --> 00:18:15.880 brought the same clip, but he actually cut that 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.000 part out. He said, I didn't think it added anything, 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:21.180 just virtue signaling. I'm like, that's that. 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.319 Wow. And it's fine. That's why there's two of 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:27.960 us on that show. But it's like, that is the essence, 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:32.220 the essence of where we have to stand with all 00:18:32.220 --> 00:18:35.440 of this stuff. He nailed it. That was a triple 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.400 Lindy. I mean, he nailed the triple Lindy. It 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:42.140 was. That was so well said. And in such a short, 00:18:42.220 --> 00:18:46.359 succinct way, he caught the heart of what we're 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:51.599 about. That which honors God. And, you know, 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:53.660 the scripture talks about, you know, we are to 00:18:53.660 --> 00:18:58.680 do all things unto him. Everything for his glory. 00:18:59.210 --> 00:19:01.890 whether it's a podcast or whether the way I'm 00:19:01.890 --> 00:19:03.809 driving, I mean, that's, that's meddling that 00:19:03.809 --> 00:19:05.309 moves from preaching to meddling, right? You 00:19:05.309 --> 00:19:06.970 got some work to do there. Literally, you know, 00:19:06.970 --> 00:19:10.049 I do. I'm growing. I'm learning. It's, it's a 00:19:10.049 --> 00:19:14.130 process sanctification. So, but that, I love 00:19:14.130 --> 00:19:17.329 what he said there. He, you don't hear a lot 00:19:17.329 --> 00:19:21.250 of guys that are officials going that strong, 00:19:21.410 --> 00:19:24.029 right? You hear a few, but to hear him and it 00:19:24.029 --> 00:19:26.849 just, I'm pretty impressed with Florida, actually. 00:19:26.890 --> 00:19:29.470 We love going there. We go to Naples every year. 00:19:29.529 --> 00:19:32.690 It's become a tradition for us. And we love Destin. 00:19:32.690 --> 00:19:34.309 We love, you know, there's great beaches there. 00:19:34.430 --> 00:19:36.950 But we've learned to love the people there, you 00:19:36.950 --> 00:19:39.470 know, with Jack Hillegoss and Steve Maxwell and 00:19:39.470 --> 00:19:42.309 those great guys. And then you've got our friends 00:19:42.309 --> 00:19:45.789 over in Naples. So there's just something good 00:19:45.789 --> 00:19:48.529 happening there. And there's good things happening 00:19:48.529 --> 00:19:52.410 here. Yes. And I see Texas and Florida as almost 00:19:52.410 --> 00:19:54.650 twins. You know, we're kind of getting there. 00:19:54.789 --> 00:19:56.529 Yeah, we're getting there. I mean, we're kind 00:19:56.529 --> 00:19:59.130 of seem to be on the same track. The thing that's 00:19:59.130 --> 00:20:01.730 that's always kind of tough, though, particularly 00:20:01.730 --> 00:20:05.470 with vaccinations is and this is this is the 00:20:05.470 --> 00:20:08.609 psyop that we just need to expose time and time 00:20:08.609 --> 00:20:13.930 again is people say, I'm vaccinated. If you're 00:20:13.930 --> 00:20:15.910 not vaccinated, you're putting me in danger. 00:20:16.009 --> 00:20:18.440 Yep. And I just want to remind everybody of the 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:21.180 fallacy of that statement, because that means 00:20:21.180 --> 00:20:24.220 this thing is not working. The whole point is 00:20:24.220 --> 00:20:27.460 it's supposed to protect you. And, you know, 00:20:27.460 --> 00:20:30.700 if anything, we need I think RFK Jr. And and 00:20:30.700 --> 00:20:32.680 he's he's been waiting for this. I mean, he's 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:35.339 been waiting for 20 years to do this. So he's 00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:37.619 not he's not backing down. President Trump is 00:20:37.619 --> 00:20:41.319 backing him. And it's going to be very interesting 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:44.180 to see how far he gets and how far he takes everything. 00:20:46.220 --> 00:20:51.019 There's going to have to be a real cultural conversation 00:20:51.019 --> 00:20:54.440 and a biblical conversation about specifically 00:20:54.440 --> 00:21:00.980 about vaccines. And I think, you know, as I told 00:21:00.980 --> 00:21:04.279 you before, I hope we do this. I'm here for this 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:06.640 podcast for our church family here. If it goes 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:09.460 beyond, that's fantastic. But I'm sure a lot 00:21:09.460 --> 00:21:12.430 of people are struggling with this. How do they 00:21:12.430 --> 00:21:14.289 approach it? How do they approach conversations 00:21:14.289 --> 00:21:16.829 with people about it, family members? We know 00:21:16.829 --> 00:21:20.890 that this very topic split families right down 00:21:20.890 --> 00:21:23.970 the middle during COVID and still reverberates. 00:21:24.190 --> 00:21:26.869 Yeah, we've seen it a little bit before COVID. 00:21:26.910 --> 00:21:29.029 I mean, with homeschool kids and parents saying, 00:21:29.130 --> 00:21:31.990 you know what, I'm opting out of this. We have 00:21:31.990 --> 00:21:35.869 a right to parent our children the way we see 00:21:35.869 --> 00:21:39.470 fit. And then people scream their minds out because. 00:21:39.950 --> 00:21:43.009 In their minds, they think that's a hit on everybody 00:21:43.009 --> 00:21:45.690 else. So when COVID happened, that amplified 00:21:45.690 --> 00:21:49.410 that mentality and that thinking. You're killing 00:21:49.410 --> 00:21:51.670 your grandmother. Oh, that was a favorite. It 00:21:51.670 --> 00:21:53.589 would be an empty seat at the table. Yeah, that 00:21:53.589 --> 00:21:56.250 was the psyop. That was the one, the emotional 00:21:56.250 --> 00:22:00.309 psyop that all of us were hearing. And because 00:22:00.309 --> 00:22:04.869 I'm a pastor and I'm in a group of pastors, especially 00:22:04.869 --> 00:22:07.650 at that time, I was actually leading our ministerial 00:22:07.650 --> 00:22:10.539 lines. Everybody was showing up with masks on. 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:12.660 They were insisting on six feet. I mean, they 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:15.579 were following the rules that had been passed 00:22:15.579 --> 00:22:17.539 down. And I'm sitting there, me and a couple, 00:22:17.619 --> 00:22:20.059 me and about two other people are going, no, 00:22:20.299 --> 00:22:24.259 no, no. And I'm the leader. So I'm trying to 00:22:24.259 --> 00:22:28.180 be nice. But I'm also realizing the psyop on 00:22:28.180 --> 00:22:31.259 this. And I'm like, no, that really was my wake 00:22:31.259 --> 00:22:34.160 up call to a lot of things. So COVID was good 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:37.279 for me in that sense that it opened my eyes because 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:40.079 I was so trusting. But this going back to the 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:44.099 vaccine thing, I am very thankful that this guy 00:22:44.099 --> 00:22:46.660 is saying what he's saying, but he's saying it 00:22:46.660 --> 00:22:48.700 from a biblical worldview, which is what we're 00:22:48.700 --> 00:22:52.200 trying to do. To say there is a lens, there is 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:55.299 a grid, there is something to see things through 00:22:55.299 --> 00:22:59.599 that changes the narrative. That we're getting 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:03.599 from the world. Yeah. And when it comes to the 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.180 vaccines and all that, it's anti -vaxxers. You 00:23:07.180 --> 00:23:08.799 know, suddenly you're a villain if you get a 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:11.420 label, right? You're an anti -vaxxer. You know, 00:23:11.420 --> 00:23:13.839 that's a bad thing because, again, you're killing 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:16.720 grandma and everybody around you. But here's 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:20.079 the thing. I go to the airport. And to this day, 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:24.140 even when there's nothing going on, you still 00:23:24.140 --> 00:23:26.559 see people wearing masks. Welcome to Austin. 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:32.019 It blows my mind. It's like, really? Have you 00:23:32.019 --> 00:23:36.400 not awakened? No. Are you not looking? Are you 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:39.140 not listening? Are you not doing the research? 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:43.039 And there's a lot of people that are still swallowing 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:46.039 the blue pill. And I don't know anything to do 00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:47.900 for them, but pray for them. It breaks my heart. 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:50.099 I'm not mad at them. I'm not upset. I'm just 00:23:50.099 --> 00:23:54.730 sad. Sad for them. And there's a. The danger 00:23:54.730 --> 00:23:56.970 is I hear so many people like, I'm never going 00:23:56.970 --> 00:23:59.609 to forgive them. I'm never going to, what they, 00:23:59.690 --> 00:24:01.470 they did this, they did that. I'm never going 00:24:01.470 --> 00:24:03.970 to forgive my parents for not letting me come 00:24:03.970 --> 00:24:07.910 over. This is where we, boy, excuse me. This 00:24:07.910 --> 00:24:12.730 is where we really need faith and trust in the 00:24:12.730 --> 00:24:15.910 Lord because the path we're on now with each 00:24:15.910 --> 00:24:21.069 other is not, is not working out very well. That's, 00:24:21.069 --> 00:24:23.710 we hit on this last show. When you played that 00:24:23.710 --> 00:24:26.750 great clip of that young man saying, hey, if 00:24:26.750 --> 00:24:28.730 you're saying we're this, then we're just going 00:24:28.730 --> 00:24:30.990 to go ahead and be that. Yeah, it's sort of it's 00:24:30.990 --> 00:24:33.450 we're fostering. And that that was a real wake 00:24:33.450 --> 00:24:35.109 up call. I got a lot of feedback on that. Me 00:24:35.109 --> 00:24:37.869 too. Me too. People say, man, that that was an 00:24:37.869 --> 00:24:39.950 eye opener for me. And it was for me right there 00:24:39.950 --> 00:24:41.490 on the show. I mean, I was like in real time 00:24:41.490 --> 00:24:44.529 going, oh, OK, I don't want to be a part of this 00:24:44.529 --> 00:24:47.390 problem. You know, if I'm going to bark about 00:24:47.390 --> 00:24:49.630 something, I better have a solution ready. You 00:24:49.630 --> 00:24:52.240 know what I mean? Not just a bark. And that seems 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:54.819 to be cultural right now. Everybody's barking, 00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:57.519 but nobody's bringing real world solutions to 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:00.460 this. So this is where we come in as followers 00:25:00.460 --> 00:25:04.279 of Jesus to say, okay, there may be other alternatives 00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:07.700 than what's been presented. And maybe they could 00:25:07.700 --> 00:25:11.539 be led by the Holy Spirit, by God himself. Maybe 00:25:11.539 --> 00:25:14.940 the Bible says we have the mind of Christ. That 00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:16.779 doesn't mean we're using it. It just says we 00:25:16.779 --> 00:25:20.460 have it. It's up to us to lean in, right? Yeah, 00:25:20.500 --> 00:25:24.180 exactly. To lean into that and to know that there 00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:26.660 may be other options. We always think there's 00:25:26.660 --> 00:25:29.119 either one or the other binary. There's always 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:31.940 more. And that that's the kind of the problem 00:25:31.940 --> 00:25:34.480 with limited thinking and the narratives that 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.160 are out there right now. You either are for me 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:39.859 or you hate me. Right. You're not just for me 00:25:39.859 --> 00:25:41.880 or nominal. You're just for me or you hate me. 00:25:41.900 --> 00:25:45.480 There's no nominal. If you don't agree with me, 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:47.859 you hate me. You don't agree with my lifestyle 00:25:47.859 --> 00:25:52.490 choices. You hate me. And that. That's off. That 00:25:52.490 --> 00:25:56.069 is a total psyop. Cultural psyop. But we all 00:25:56.069 --> 00:25:58.589 fall prey to it. We do. It's easy to fall in. 00:25:58.609 --> 00:26:03.130 It's easy to say, oh, LGBTQ plus, the transgenders 00:26:03.130 --> 00:26:06.089 are crazy. It is easy to do that. It's too easy. 00:26:06.450 --> 00:26:08.789 It's too easy. And I think we've got to be careful. 00:26:09.190 --> 00:26:11.289 And I think what you're saying is right. If it's 00:26:11.289 --> 00:26:14.390 that easy, that should be a flag to us that something's 00:26:14.390 --> 00:26:17.250 up. Right. Because I love what Victor Marks talks 00:26:17.250 --> 00:26:21.180 about. I did a sermon a while back called, Let's 00:26:21.180 --> 00:26:24.519 do difficult. Yes. And then Victor, his whole, 00:26:24.579 --> 00:26:27.000 every one of his are about let's do difficult, 00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:29.960 but he lives that life, right? And I think there's 00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:32.140 a sense where if it's something's that easy, 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:36.119 you need to be wary of it. If it's that easy, 00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:39.880 maybe that's not the right way to go. The path 00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:43.559 of least resistance. We're not going to resolve 00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:47.079 this, are we? No. We actually just bring up more 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.779 questions. I think so. It's part of processing, 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:52.049 isn't it? Yeah. And I don't think we're here 00:26:52.049 --> 00:26:54.369 to bring answers. Nope. I think we're here to 00:26:54.369 --> 00:26:58.390 ask questions. Hopefully that others are or not 00:26:58.390 --> 00:27:01.369 just what others are asking, but maybe they need 00:27:01.369 --> 00:27:03.809 to be asking. So maybe for themselves, maybe 00:27:03.809 --> 00:27:05.670 we can just help out by bringing more questions 00:27:05.670 --> 00:27:08.849 to the table. Yeah. And by the way, thank you 00:27:08.849 --> 00:27:11.930 all for the the really nice feedback and from 00:27:11.930 --> 00:27:15.170 disparate people who are like, oh, really? You 00:27:15.170 --> 00:27:18.930 listen. Oh, that's pretty cool. A reminder, get 00:27:18.930 --> 00:27:21.990 the Godcaster app or go to the Bridge homepage. 00:27:22.250 --> 00:27:25.329 You can get the show there. And whenever you 00:27:25.329 --> 00:27:28.029 want to share it, use the share buttons because 00:27:28.029 --> 00:27:31.130 that really helps bring everybody back to Godcaster, 00:27:31.230 --> 00:27:33.670 back to the Bridge homepage, keeps everybody 00:27:33.670 --> 00:27:40.559 within the same area. is to keep people from 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:42.980 being interrupted by algorithms and, oh, look 00:27:42.980 --> 00:27:44.460 at this, and, oh, look over here, and look at 00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:46.720 this recommendation. That's why we built it. 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:48.839 Beautiful. So I was listening to Hello Fred, 00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:53.099 and we have SRN News now, which is running. It 00:27:53.099 --> 00:27:54.700 kind of runs all over the place, and it'll run 00:27:54.700 --> 00:27:56.359 at the top of the hour, more or less. We're working 00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:58.039 on that. It's amazing any of this stuff works 00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:01.480 at all. That's a miracle. And I heard this report 00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.359 in this morning, this short, it's like 25 seconds, 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.539 in this morning's news briefing. I hadn't actually 00:28:07.539 --> 00:28:09.720 planned on talking about it, but since it came 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.240 up and I was like, oh, wow, this is exactly what 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.619 you and I have been discussing for several weeks 00:28:14.619 --> 00:28:16.839 now. We even discussed it on Living Up in a Down 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:19.559 World. But then, of course, I brought some other 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.819 additional stuff. Here it is. The language used 00:28:21.819 --> 00:28:24.220 in the debate over artificial intelligence is 00:28:24.220 --> 00:28:27.519 increasingly taking on religious overtones. Jeffrey 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.640 Hinton, the legendary programmer who helped develop 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.740 AI, refers to its potential as godlike. OpenAI 00:28:34.740 --> 00:28:37.420 CEO Sam Altman has referred to his company's 00:28:37.420 --> 00:28:40.619 technology as a magic intelligence in the sky, 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.200 while PayPal founder Peter Thiel has even argued 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:49.289 AI could bring about the Antichrist. Okay. That's 00:28:49.289 --> 00:28:51.250 a lot right there. Since this was a news report, 00:28:51.470 --> 00:28:53.690 I wanted to break this down with you for a second. 00:28:53.809 --> 00:28:56.509 So first of all, the guy that they referenced, 00:28:56.710 --> 00:29:01.130 the godfather of AI, I can kind of ignore him 00:29:01.130 --> 00:29:05.730 because I have studied this for months and months 00:29:05.730 --> 00:29:08.490 and months and months and months. There is no 00:29:08.490 --> 00:29:12.130 I in artificial intelligence. There is no intelligence 00:29:12.130 --> 00:29:16.839 in there. It's obvious. It's a parlor trick because 00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:20.000 it's speaking to you and it sounds human. You're 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:23.819 just taking this in. And we've been programmed 00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:27.740 to do this. We covered this before on Living 00:29:27.740 --> 00:29:30.240 Up in a Down World. We've been programmed to 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.880 expect computers to talk to us. I mean, back 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.119 from Lost in Space, Danger Will Robinson, Knight 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.880 Rider, Kit, bring the car around. Even Batman 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:44.500 spoke to his car at a certain point. Hal. Hal. 00:29:44.660 --> 00:29:47.519 Hal, exactly. Open the pod bay door. That's it. 00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:49.539 That's it. All of this stuff. And, you know, 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.500 we've been right up to the movie Her, which was 00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:53.700 just a few years ago. So we've been programmed 00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:58.160 to accept this, but it's truly a very fast copy 00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:02.109 -paste search engine machine. There is nothing 00:30:02.109 --> 00:30:05.130 intelligent in it, but people are so easy to 00:30:05.130 --> 00:30:09.230 fall into it. Now, I have some real Christian 00:30:09.230 --> 00:30:11.470 talk about this, but since they brought up Peter 00:30:11.470 --> 00:30:14.990 Thiel, who he used to be, he was one of the PayPal 00:30:14.990 --> 00:30:18.329 founders with Elon Musk. They actually fell out. 00:30:19.269 --> 00:30:23.369 Musk kind of got kicked out of PayPal. Shocker. 00:30:23.450 --> 00:30:27.019 Shocker, right? Peter Thiel is an interesting 00:30:27.019 --> 00:30:29.700 character, but he's seen as this incredible boogeyman 00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:33.359 because of his company Palantir. And I'm just 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.420 debunking this on the fly because we don't have 00:30:35.420 --> 00:30:37.200 to be worried about this. You don't have to be 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.400 worried about Palantir targeting you. I mean, 00:30:40.420 --> 00:30:43.180 there's nothing that Palantir can do that's any 00:30:43.180 --> 00:30:45.579 better than what Oracle hasn't been doing for 00:30:45.579 --> 00:30:47.740 the past 20 years with all of your credit information. 00:30:47.900 --> 00:30:50.549 There's nothing really special in it. But the 00:30:50.549 --> 00:30:53.529 guy is a whack job. Listen to this. You would 00:30:53.529 --> 00:30:57.190 prefer the human. Sorry, this is he was being 00:30:57.190 --> 00:30:59.369 interviewed by the guy from The New York Times. 00:30:59.470 --> 00:31:00.849 I think we actually played. I played this for 00:31:00.849 --> 00:31:02.950 you at the house. OK, so you remember this. You 00:31:02.950 --> 00:31:05.009 would prefer the human race to endure, right? 00:31:06.130 --> 00:31:08.569 You're hesitating. Well, I. Yes. I don't know. 00:31:08.589 --> 00:31:11.549 I would. By the way, I had to cut out a million 00:31:11.549 --> 00:31:14.109 pauses because it's one of these difficult talkers 00:31:14.109 --> 00:31:18.750 like because he's thinking on the floor. I would. 00:31:20.029 --> 00:31:23.730 This is a long hesitation. There's so many questions. 00:31:24.009 --> 00:31:29.910 Should the human race survive? Yes. OK, but but 00:31:29.910 --> 00:31:36.650 I also would I also would like us to to radically 00:31:36.650 --> 00:31:39.410 solve these problems. And and so, you know, it's 00:31:39.410 --> 00:31:44.650 always I don't know, you know, yeah, transhumanism. 00:31:45.099 --> 00:31:47.859 This is important. Here we go. Because if you 00:31:47.859 --> 00:31:51.240 look at all the people who are funding transgenderism, 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:57.380 they all are into transhumanism. And if there's 00:31:57.380 --> 00:32:00.200 an enemy, I want everyone to know what the enemy 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.599 looks like and how the enemy talks. And I'm not 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.599 saying Peter Thiel's a bad guy, but I'm pretty 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.859 sure he's got some influence coming from spiritual 00:32:09.859 --> 00:32:12.799 realms that he may not be aware of. Is this... 00:32:13.150 --> 00:32:15.809 You know, the ideal was this radical transformation 00:32:15.809 --> 00:32:20.109 where your human natural body gets transformed 00:32:20.109 --> 00:32:24.869 into an immortal body. And there's a critique 00:32:24.869 --> 00:32:28.730 of, let's say, the trans people in a sexual context 00:32:28.730 --> 00:32:32.470 or a transvestite is someone who changes. their 00:32:32.470 --> 00:32:35.930 clothes and cross dresses. And a transsexual 00:32:35.930 --> 00:32:38.890 is someone where you change your penis into a 00:32:38.890 --> 00:32:41.269 vagina. And we can then debate how well those 00:32:41.269 --> 00:32:44.410 surgeries work. But we want more transformation 00:32:44.410 --> 00:32:46.990 than that. It's the critique is not that it's 00:32:46.990 --> 00:32:49.809 weird and unnatural. It's man, it's so pathetically 00:32:49.809 --> 00:32:52.890 little. And we want more than cross dressing 00:32:52.890 --> 00:32:55.349 or changing your sex organs. We want you to be 00:32:55.349 --> 00:32:58.670 able to change your heart and change your mind 00:32:58.670 --> 00:33:02.160 and change your whole. Your whole body. And then 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:05.319 Orthodox Christianity, by the way, the critique 00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:08.160 Orthodox Christianity has of this is these things 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:11.200 don't go far enough. Like the transhumanism is 00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:13.160 just changing your body, but you also need to 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.420 transform your soul and you need to transform 00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:18.599 your whole self. You see why I bring this clip? 00:33:18.700 --> 00:33:21.920 He made a leap. He made quite the leap. He made 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:25.519 the leap. He jumped the gap. Mind the gap, right? 00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.349 Remember that in Britain? Mind the gap. So he 00:33:29.349 --> 00:33:33.869 jumped the gap. And that jump was a major light 00:33:33.869 --> 00:33:37.930 years jump where he talked about moving from 00:33:37.930 --> 00:33:40.390 changing the body to changing the heart. And 00:33:40.390 --> 00:33:44.410 that's a Christian thing. But he missed a lot 00:33:44.410 --> 00:33:47.609 of stuff in between. I'm reading about transhumanism, 00:33:47.609 --> 00:33:49.849 philosophical scientific movement that advocates 00:33:49.849 --> 00:33:52.250 for the use of current and emerging technologies 00:33:52.250 --> 00:33:55.450 such as genetic engineering, artificial intelligence, 00:33:55.690 --> 00:33:59.839 nanotechnology. in cryonics to enhance and augment 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:03.839 human capabilities. It's the bionic man and the 00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:05.660 bionic woman, which we watched in the seventies. 00:34:05.700 --> 00:34:08.139 And it's really, I believe that these people 00:34:08.139 --> 00:34:11.179 like Teal and probably Musk and others, they 00:34:11.179 --> 00:34:13.719 actually, and Sam Owen, they actually are afraid 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:17.260 of dying. They want themselves to live forever. 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:20.539 They are very afraid of dying. You just nailed 00:34:20.539 --> 00:34:23.099 something right there because I'm not afraid 00:34:23.099 --> 00:34:26.369 of dying because. I know where I will be. Not 00:34:26.369 --> 00:34:29.809 only do I know it philosophically, I know it 00:34:29.809 --> 00:34:32.050 theologically. I know it because of the word 00:34:32.050 --> 00:34:34.329 of God in the Bible. But I also know it because 00:34:34.329 --> 00:34:37.090 I have friends experientially who've stepped 00:34:37.090 --> 00:34:39.750 over and looked beyond the veil, so to speak. 00:34:39.969 --> 00:34:42.670 They've seen the other side, Steve Maxwell being 00:34:42.670 --> 00:34:46.489 one. I've had several. And there's nothing to 00:34:46.489 --> 00:34:50.909 fear. So for me to want my body to somehow... 00:34:51.369 --> 00:34:53.730 continue to exist already know it's going to 00:34:53.730 --> 00:34:57.030 just not in this form so talk about transhumanism 00:34:57.030 --> 00:34:59.989 well let's you want to go take now yeah i'm sorry 00:34:59.989 --> 00:35:02.329 finish your sentence no no i'm just saying it 00:35:02.329 --> 00:35:05.070 i mean that's the essence of transhumanism isn't 00:35:05.070 --> 00:35:07.869 like getting a bionic arm yeah you know nanotechnology 00:35:07.869 --> 00:35:11.050 and all cryogenics all that it's it's literally 00:35:11.050 --> 00:35:15.809 transforming changing your form into what the 00:35:15.809 --> 00:35:19.800 bible calls a heavenly body and Ultimately, isn't 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.820 isn't everything marketing, public relations, 00:35:23.300 --> 00:35:27.480 psyops, they all have death as the ultimate. 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.619 Well, if you don't do this, if you don't if you 00:35:29.619 --> 00:35:32.260 don't if you don't go here on vacation, you know, 00:35:32.260 --> 00:35:38.440 but even wouldn't you rather have a living daughter 00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.079 than a dead son? This is the big the big psyop 00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:44.960 that they've put onto onto parents. Right. And 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:46.900 Teal actually makes more of this jump in this 00:35:46.900 --> 00:35:52.179 second clip. I generally agree with what I think 00:35:52.179 --> 00:35:56.260 is your belief that religion should be a friend 00:35:56.260 --> 00:35:58.820 to science and ideas of scientific progress. 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.239 I think any idea of divine providence has to 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.019 encompass the fact that we have progressed. Okay, 00:36:05.059 --> 00:36:06.579 let's just stop there. How do you feel about 00:36:06.579 --> 00:36:10.440 that? Friend, but not slave to, not subservient 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:14.880 to. There's a distinction there that I see. I 00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.239 see that with government. I mentioned about meeting 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.340 with the mayor and saying, you have civil government 00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:22.340 on your shoulders. I have spiritual government. 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:24.619 So it makes us partners. It makes us allies, 00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:29.179 not adversaries. And he got that. I would say 00:36:29.179 --> 00:36:31.260 the same thing here with science. I don't see 00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:36.440 this as a, I think science proves God. It proves 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.699 the existence of things beyond our comprehension, 00:36:39.780 --> 00:36:42.360 things that are, we would say, infinite as opposed 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.820 to finite. And so when I hear him say that, I'm 00:36:45.820 --> 00:36:49.530 like, Well, kind of. I hear what you're saying, 00:36:49.750 --> 00:36:55.690 but we're not subservient to it. That's the interesting. 00:36:55.889 --> 00:36:59.630 So Dr. Jack Taylor, years ago, brilliant man, 00:36:59.769 --> 00:37:04.289 wrote a book talking about heaven. And he was 00:37:04.289 --> 00:37:07.349 talking about what is real reality. And he was 00:37:07.349 --> 00:37:10.409 talking about the spiritual realm is the real 00:37:10.409 --> 00:37:13.849 reality. Wow. That what we're here in right now 00:37:13.849 --> 00:37:18.070 is a bad copy. It's like a fax of a fax of a 00:37:18.070 --> 00:37:21.030 fax. Wow. Remember back when we did fax and you'd 00:37:21.030 --> 00:37:22.969 fax something over and over and it starts to 00:37:22.969 --> 00:37:27.829 lose its resolution. It loses its resolution. 00:37:28.090 --> 00:37:30.889 Perfect word. Where it becomes fuzzy, you can't 00:37:30.889 --> 00:37:33.469 even read it anymore. And when I was in the childcare 00:37:33.469 --> 00:37:36.750 world, you know, as a case manager, we were faxing 00:37:36.750 --> 00:37:40.300 stuff back and forth. to child protective services, 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.280 the state. And it would be crooked. Oh, my gosh. 00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:45.780 And it would be blurry. By the fourth time, you 00:37:45.780 --> 00:37:47.559 couldn't even make anything. By the fourth time, 00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:49.760 it looks like something from the JFK files from 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:54.559 the 60s. Yeah, and blurry. CIA documents. Yeah, 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.400 we'll put that in the files. But same thing. 00:37:56.420 --> 00:37:59.840 It's the same thing. I see that in what he's 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:01.940 saying. So we're getting a copy of a copy of 00:38:01.940 --> 00:38:05.750 a copy. It's going to lose resolution. And fidelity. 00:38:05.949 --> 00:38:07.570 I'm going to put a pin in that and we'll come 00:38:07.570 --> 00:38:09.550 back to that just to finish this clip. And achieved 00:38:09.550 --> 00:38:12.949 and done things that would have been unimaginable 00:38:12.949 --> 00:38:16.849 to our ancestors. But it still also seems like, 00:38:16.949 --> 00:38:20.210 yeah, the promise of Christianity in the end 00:38:20.210 --> 00:38:23.510 is you get the perfected body and the perfected 00:38:23.510 --> 00:38:26.349 soul through God's grace. And the person who 00:38:26.349 --> 00:38:28.829 tries to do it on their own with a bunch of machines 00:38:28.829 --> 00:38:32.809 is likely to end up as a dystopian character. 00:38:34.710 --> 00:38:38.050 You want to comment on that? Tracking with him 00:38:38.050 --> 00:38:39.550 at this point. New York Times, I know, I know. 00:38:39.550 --> 00:38:42.070 I was like, okay, he's there. I'm in the lane 00:38:42.070 --> 00:38:47.409 with you there. Let's articulate this. And you're 00:38:47.409 --> 00:38:49.650 going to have a heretical form of Christianity 00:38:49.650 --> 00:38:54.809 that says something else. I don't know. I think 00:38:54.809 --> 00:38:57.489 the word nature does not occur once in the Old 00:38:57.489 --> 00:39:03.090 Testament. Oops. Maybe not literally. Where's 00:39:03.090 --> 00:39:04.730 he going with that? Because I don't know where 00:39:04.730 --> 00:39:06.849 he can go with that. Well, it's 40 seconds. And 00:39:06.849 --> 00:39:11.630 so, you know, if you, you know, and there is, 00:39:11.650 --> 00:39:14.309 you know, there is a word in which, a sense in 00:39:14.309 --> 00:39:19.449 which, the way I understand, you know, the Judeo 00:39:19.449 --> 00:39:24.329 -Christian inspiration is, it is about transcending 00:39:24.329 --> 00:39:27.010 nature. It is about overcoming things. And, you 00:39:27.010 --> 00:39:30.659 know, the closest thing you can say. to nature 00:39:30.659 --> 00:39:34.199 is that people are fallen and that that's the 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.340 natural thing in a christian sense is that um 00:39:37.340 --> 00:39:42.280 you're messed up and that's true but um you know 00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.639 there's some ways that uh you know with god's 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.260 help you are supposed to transcend that and overcome 00:39:48.260 --> 00:39:55.400 that so i think it's justifying using transhumanist 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.449 technology to overcome being fallen That's what 00:39:59.449 --> 00:40:02.829 it sounded like. And as opposed to the way we 00:40:02.829 --> 00:40:05.989 overcome being fallen is to return to Eden through 00:40:05.989 --> 00:40:07.909 a relationship with Jesus Christ, which gets 00:40:07.909 --> 00:40:11.289 us to the Father. So he's bypassing that. Whether 00:40:11.289 --> 00:40:13.510 he's intentionally doing it or not, he sounds 00:40:13.510 --> 00:40:15.250 like he kind of knows a little bit about it, 00:40:15.269 --> 00:40:16.530 but he doesn't know about it. You know what I 00:40:16.530 --> 00:40:18.170 mean? He kind of knows, but he doesn't know. 00:40:18.769 --> 00:40:21.409 And he's trying to say there may be other paths, 00:40:21.590 --> 00:40:26.250 other ways to reach, I don't know, well, transhumanism, 00:40:26.250 --> 00:40:31.519 to use their word. Interesting. So back to the 00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:35.840 loss of resolution, a copy of a copy of a copy. 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:40.320 This is important to understand. Artificial intelligence, 00:40:40.539 --> 00:40:42.500 we'll just call it AI just because that's what 00:40:42.500 --> 00:40:45.639 everyone thinks it is. Right. It is literally 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.139 scraping up everything available through the 00:40:49.139 --> 00:40:51.599 Internet. It has no knowledge of air, water, 00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.539 touch. I have proof of this, by the way. I think 00:40:54.539 --> 00:40:56.690 I mentioned this. I know I've told you, I don't 00:40:56.690 --> 00:40:58.449 know if I said it on the air last time we were 00:40:58.449 --> 00:41:01.909 together, but I was doing research for a sermon 00:41:01.909 --> 00:41:04.769 and I was looking because it's a great search 00:41:04.769 --> 00:41:08.369 tool. It's a great Bible search tool. I go, you 00:41:08.369 --> 00:41:11.590 know, give me a Bible verse. This Bible verse 00:41:11.590 --> 00:41:14.630 is about such and such. And it's great for that 00:41:14.630 --> 00:41:17.960 kind of stuff. That's what I use it for. And, 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.519 and I, and I was, I threw a concept in there 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.039 and it pulled up and it, and now perplexity gives 00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.500 you the references. So you're actually see where 00:41:25.500 --> 00:41:27.820 they're pulling from. The number one reference 00:41:27.820 --> 00:41:30.860 was from a sermon I'd preached. That's great. 00:41:31.059 --> 00:41:33.880 Oh, well, okay. We're back to me. So, so that's 00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.739 exactly what it does. It scrapes. Now it has 00:41:36.739 --> 00:41:39.780 deals. And so they put that into what they call 00:41:39.780 --> 00:41:41.699 a large language model, which is really just 00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:46.079 a super big database that is highly optimized. 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.420 So it doesn't take forever to retrieve the information, 00:41:49.619 --> 00:41:52.800 and it's really just retrieving information based 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.559 upon keywords. So whatever your search was, it 00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:57.900 had certain keywords, and it went, ah, I have 00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:00.400 that, and it happens to pull that from you. What's 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.800 interesting, if someone else pulled that up and 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.820 rewrote that sermon and put it back out on the 00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:11.860 Internet, the AI scraping mechanism would pull 00:42:11.860 --> 00:42:15.539 that in. And would now start to use that as a 00:42:15.539 --> 00:42:18.860 copy of your original. Sounds like the Hegelian 00:42:18.860 --> 00:42:23.039 dialectic. So Hegel came out with, you have a 00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:26.280 thesis. Yep. You have an antithesis. And then 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:29.980 they form a new thesis. Yes. So that's what this 00:42:29.980 --> 00:42:35.119 is doing. Part of it. The bad part is it. I'm 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:36.780 not saying it's all good. Yeah, no, it does. 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:38.659 I don't know if it necessarily creates a thesis 00:42:38.659 --> 00:42:42.909 antithesis. Just says, oh, here's new information. 00:42:43.329 --> 00:42:45.670 And then the next time someone uses that and 00:42:45.670 --> 00:42:48.250 publishes that on the Internet or uses a version 00:42:48.250 --> 00:42:51.130 of it, puts it in their own words. And already, 00:42:51.210 --> 00:42:55.150 if you say to a I give me write me a sermon on 00:42:55.150 --> 00:42:57.949 this, it'll write something that's already a 00:42:57.949 --> 00:43:04.380 a a. Lower resolution of the original. I would 00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:08.300 say an aberration or an amalgam. And so pulling 00:43:08.300 --> 00:43:12.440 in new things. So it sounds fresh. But it's not. 00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:15.199 It's a copy of a copy and it creates another 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.739 copy. And you see it with artwork already. All 00:43:18.739 --> 00:43:21.119 the artwork from certain AI generators starts 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.619 to look the same. It looks orangish. Cartoonish. 00:43:24.619 --> 00:43:28.659 Cartoonish. Because that's actually, I think 00:43:28.659 --> 00:43:32.860 the third law of thermodynamics is entropy. If 00:43:32.860 --> 00:43:37.219 you leave the car alone on the lawn, it's going 00:43:37.219 --> 00:43:39.659 to rot away. So if you don't give it something 00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:42.800 fresh, a fresh cone of paint, and so if you continue 00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.440 to take the old pieces that are republished and 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.500 bring them back in, there's nothing left for 00:43:48.500 --> 00:43:51.480 the machine to do but just create bad copies 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.059 of stuff that already exists. It gets worse and 00:43:53.059 --> 00:43:54.780 worse and worse. And so they're desperately trying 00:43:54.780 --> 00:43:59.619 to solve this by, A, not talking about it. That's 00:43:59.619 --> 00:44:01.559 the number one. That's not a problem. But it 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:03.760 becomes a real problem when it comes to truth, 00:44:03.940 --> 00:44:08.159 because just changing a word, and I'm pretty 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.900 sure you could tell me the scripture that God 00:44:10.900 --> 00:44:12.719 said, you may not change any of my scriptures. 00:44:12.820 --> 00:44:14.440 Oh, that would be the very end of Revelation. 00:44:15.980 --> 00:44:20.119 Yeah, that's where it is. By the way, don't change 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:24.780 a word. So also in the Godcaster, I found this 00:44:24.780 --> 00:44:28.099 program called Haven Today, Christian teach and 00:44:28.099 --> 00:44:32.800 talk program. Very interesting. I started following 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:34.780 it. I'm listening. You're looking it up, aren't 00:44:34.780 --> 00:44:36.440 you? Looking at Revelation for me. He's looking 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:38.539 it up in the Bible, ladies and gentlemen. He's 00:44:38.539 --> 00:44:42.139 got his Bible already. It's all earmarked. Lots 00:44:42.139 --> 00:44:44.940 of, and you go right to it. That's amazing. I'm 00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:49.139 trying to. I warn everyone who hears the words 00:44:49.139 --> 00:44:51.199 of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:55.639 anything to them, God will add to him the plagues 00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:58.989 described in this book. And if anyone takes words 00:44:58.989 --> 00:45:01.329 away from this book of prophecy, God will take 00:45:01.329 --> 00:45:04.190 away from him his share in the tree of life and 00:45:04.190 --> 00:45:06.050 in the holy city, which are described in this 00:45:06.050 --> 00:45:10.010 book. I mean, this is serious. That's pretty 00:45:10.010 --> 00:45:14.389 clear. Pretty clear. So Haven today often talks 00:45:14.389 --> 00:45:17.170 about technology from a biblical worldview and 00:45:17.170 --> 00:45:20.170 has guests on. And he had this two people on 00:45:20.170 --> 00:45:22.650 who are, I think, actually on the advisory committee 00:45:22.650 --> 00:45:26.829 of some. Some biblical Christian. I should have 00:45:26.829 --> 00:45:28.550 written it down. I'll put it in the show notes. 00:45:28.610 --> 00:45:32.230 Some biblical Christian society of technology. 00:45:32.570 --> 00:45:38.150 And unsurprisingly, they're pro -AI. And the 00:45:38.150 --> 00:45:40.670 host is not really making a judgment one way 00:45:40.670 --> 00:45:43.809 or the other. But the first guy, he's kind of 00:45:43.809 --> 00:45:47.579 a sales guy for AI. And the second one, she's 00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:50.420 a PhD. And we just got to talk about this because 00:45:50.420 --> 00:45:52.179 when I heard this, I'm like, I got to talk to 00:45:52.179 --> 00:45:54.460 Jimmy about this. Okay, here we go. And I found 00:45:54.460 --> 00:45:57.820 all this discussion incredibly helpful. But then 00:45:57.820 --> 00:46:00.320 we turned a corner and I was fascinated as we 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:02.340 talked about what it looks like to be proactive 00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:05.900 from the standpoint of the church. And whether 00:46:05.900 --> 00:46:08.340 that's the context of the local church or international 00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:10.840 missions or some other expression of what the 00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:13.579 body of Christ is doing in our world. The question 00:46:13.579 --> 00:46:18.019 is, what? impact might AI have here? And the 00:46:18.019 --> 00:46:20.460 next clip is a longer one with comments from 00:46:20.460 --> 00:46:23.840 myself, Dr. K, and Daniel Whitenack, who kicks 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:26.739 off this section. I personally think that the 00:46:26.739 --> 00:46:29.699 creative aspects of these models, including the 00:46:29.699 --> 00:46:32.739 music side and the other portions of that could 00:46:32.739 --> 00:46:35.599 be used in amazing ways by the church. But I 00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.300 think we don't want to disconnect that from the 00:46:38.300 --> 00:46:42.820 understanding of how what is generated is connected 00:46:42.820 --> 00:46:46.340 to what the model has been fed on. And that kind 00:46:46.340 --> 00:46:49.960 of motivates then those that are working in technology 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.199 and working in AI that are also followers of 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:57.159 Jesus to put together potentially models that 00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:01.739 are fed by truth and aligned to truth. Companies 00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:04.159 like Glue and others are doing really amazing 00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:08.059 work in this area to align models to human flourishing 00:47:08.059 --> 00:47:11.300 and feed them with truth, not just with kind 00:47:11.300 --> 00:47:13.840 of what's scraped off the Internet. So I like 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.460 what he says. And actually I've, I've taken a 00:47:16.460 --> 00:47:19.880 sales call from glue and it was just an AI guy 00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:21.760 selling to the church. I mean, I'm not saying 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.420 he wasn't a believer, but he was their big deal 00:47:23.420 --> 00:47:25.920 in, in many churches right now. They, they were 00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:29.159 the, like the platinum big sponsor at NRB. Yeah. 00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:32.699 Um, so I was kind of like, um, you're just selling 00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:35.599 AI here. I'm not so sure you can really put guard. 00:47:35.699 --> 00:47:37.980 They can't even put guardrails around this stuff 00:47:37.980 --> 00:47:40.239 for it not to tell people like, yeah, it's a 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:43.280 good idea to drink, uh, you know, bromide or 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.739 anything, you know, it's, So I hear what he's 00:47:46.739 --> 00:47:51.739 saying, but we know that these large language 00:47:51.739 --> 00:47:54.739 models, they're never going to spit back. It's 00:47:54.739 --> 00:47:57.840 going to be a copy, and it's never going to be 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:01.559 verbatim truth. Right. And so I was listening 00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:03.780 to this, and I'm like, oh, okay. Well, he made 00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:08.639 the comment what you feed into it. Yes, but you 00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:11.320 have to remember that it takes new input from 00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.940 the old output. So it would be the same as copying 00:48:13.940 --> 00:48:16.239 your Bible over and over and over and over again. 00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:18.039 At a certain point, you won't know what that 00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:20.139 word is. Right. And it may be a very critical 00:48:20.139 --> 00:48:23.539 word. Remember the old telegram game? Yes. You 00:48:23.539 --> 00:48:26.420 start at the beginning. By the third person, 00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:28.219 it's off. It's already different. It's off the 00:48:28.219 --> 00:48:31.039 rails. And that sounds simplistic, but really 00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:33.159 we have that happening. You found that out when 00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:35.619 you were doing some coding. Oh, it would start 00:48:35.619 --> 00:48:39.599 down a wrong path. And you couldn't bring it 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:41.599 back. You couldn't correct it. Great analogy, 00:48:41.699 --> 00:48:44.599 because I am not really a programmer. So let's 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:48.480 say I'm not really a Christian yet. And so not 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.199 being a programmer, I mean, the great thing about 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.260 software is if you do it wrong, it just doesn't 00:48:53.260 --> 00:48:55.780 work. But I didn't know how to tell it that it 00:48:55.780 --> 00:48:59.139 was wrong. And I had to start over. It took me 00:48:59.139 --> 00:49:01.159 three months to do something a programmer could 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.780 have done in three days. It was very frustrating 00:49:04.780 --> 00:49:07.739 and I needed to get to the end of it. But just 00:49:07.739 --> 00:49:10.519 imagine that happening now with scripture or 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:13.980 biblical teaching. So I'm concerned about that. 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:17.440 So I use perplexity a lot. I'll get historical 00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:20.440 context. But because I've gone to school, I've 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.480 got a master's degree in this. I've got a baseline. 00:49:24.179 --> 00:49:27.639 I'd say. And for the kinds of questions, it depends 00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.920 on what you're asking to do. And for me, I've 00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:35.070 been able to make it work for me. Also know where 00:49:35.070 --> 00:49:37.170 it's pulling from. So I'm checking that as well. 00:49:37.429 --> 00:49:41.030 But I can see how you could literally get off 00:49:41.030 --> 00:49:44.050 the rails on this and it could take you down 00:49:44.050 --> 00:49:46.349 a track and it doesn't know right from wrong. 00:49:46.409 --> 00:49:50.030 It doesn't know truth from falsehood. It's pulling 00:49:50.030 --> 00:49:56.130 from so many sources at lightning speed and anything 00:49:56.130 --> 00:49:58.969 could come into that. And that's where I'm concerned 00:49:58.969 --> 00:50:01.820 about. When Christians are just running, thinking 00:50:01.820 --> 00:50:06.420 this is the greatest thing ever. And it doesn't 00:50:06.420 --> 00:50:08.260 take much to get off the rails. Just read the 00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:10.900 New Testament. Every letter in the Bible was 00:50:10.900 --> 00:50:14.420 corrective in nature of heresy. Every one of 00:50:14.420 --> 00:50:17.920 them. You got to explain that to me. Well, Book 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:20.579 of Galatians, for example, the Judaizers, they 00:50:20.579 --> 00:50:23.519 were trying to mix Christianity, but pull in 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.360 the Old Testament Judaism. And they were blending 00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:30.159 it. Right. Where, yes, you now have to be circumcised, 00:50:30.179 --> 00:50:34.320 young Timothy. Yeah. Sorry. You're 25, but yeah, 00:50:34.340 --> 00:50:35.920 whip it out. I mean, here it was. It was that 00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:39.219 whole scary stuff. I mean, he did it. I mean, 00:50:39.219 --> 00:50:42.300 but they were demanding that you had to follow 00:50:42.300 --> 00:50:45.739 old covenant 613 laws. Right. And yet you were 00:50:45.739 --> 00:50:49.019 free in Christ. And that's why Paul said in Galatians 00:50:49.019 --> 00:50:52.440 5, it was for freedom that Christ sets you free. 00:50:53.340 --> 00:50:57.039 Don't return back to slavery under the old law. 00:50:57.420 --> 00:50:59.619 Now, we think that means I'm just freeing Jesus 00:50:59.619 --> 00:51:01.739 to do anything I want. No, that's not what Paul 00:51:01.739 --> 00:51:04.920 was talking about. He was talking about the Judaizers, 00:51:04.940 --> 00:51:08.059 and he was correcting them to say you cannot 00:51:08.059 --> 00:51:10.820 subjugate people who are free in Christ under 00:51:10.820 --> 00:51:13.940 the old covenant. This is a new covenant. We 00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:17.039 quote that out of context a lot. It's all over 00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:18.659 the place. But if you don't know that stuff. 00:51:18.940 --> 00:51:21.460 Yeah, you can get off the rails. You're jumping 00:51:21.460 --> 00:51:25.500 off on AI and here you go. So here's this lady's 00:51:25.500 --> 00:51:28.639 a PhD. She's anonymous. She calls herself Dr. 00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.340 K. So she's anonymous with her comments here. 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.219 I can't remember the reason, but she gets too 00:51:34.219 --> 00:51:37.139 much hate mail or whatever. Listen to her. These 00:51:37.139 --> 00:51:40.239 models are trained on our data. They are going 00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:43.440 to have and see footprints of our fallenness, 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.980 but also our creativity and also some of our 00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.420 really amazing aspects. And what is so what is 00:51:50.420 --> 00:51:53.480 just to me so fascinating about these large language 00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:57.960 models or LLMs is they are able to see within 00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:02.809 the training data certain. patterns and, and 00:52:02.809 --> 00:52:06.889 trends that we might, because in that sense, 00:52:07.030 --> 00:52:08.869 you know, they can see so much more than we can 00:52:08.869 --> 00:52:12.309 see just in one setting that is really powerful 00:52:12.309 --> 00:52:15.010 and really, really reflects some of the best 00:52:15.010 --> 00:52:17.570 of our creativity as well. And I think that we 00:52:17.570 --> 00:52:20.170 need to think about that and not see it. And 00:52:20.170 --> 00:52:23.030 Daniel said it earlier, this all falls within 00:52:23.030 --> 00:52:25.650 God's economy. He's not surprised by this at 00:52:25.650 --> 00:52:28.730 all. In fact, he's saying, you know, Hey, this 00:52:28.730 --> 00:52:31.909 next digital land, landscape. Let's share my 00:52:31.909 --> 00:52:35.070 truth in it. Right. And so that's the great news 00:52:35.070 --> 00:52:37.690 about this. And so, yeah, I totally agree with 00:52:37.690 --> 00:52:41.030 Daniel on that. Yeah. See, this is where I'm 00:52:41.030 --> 00:52:44.469 like, no, I mean, it's a tough one because I 00:52:44.469 --> 00:52:46.030 see where she's going. It's what Peter Thiel 00:52:46.030 --> 00:52:51.070 is saying too, in a way. But we're bypassing 00:52:51.070 --> 00:52:53.530 what we already know to be true is that we have 00:52:53.530 --> 00:52:55.750 the mind of Christ. The scripture is very clear 00:52:55.750 --> 00:52:59.070 about that. We have the person of the Holy Spirit. 00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:03.260 The one who created this whole ball of wax on 00:53:03.260 --> 00:53:06.699 the inside of us. So why do I need to depend 00:53:06.699 --> 00:53:11.699 on a digital friend? And she talks about what 00:53:11.699 --> 00:53:15.059 we put into it. Well, how many flavors are there 00:53:15.059 --> 00:53:17.760 of Christianity? Exactly. So what flavor are 00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:20.099 you putting in there? Are you putting in a very 00:53:20.099 --> 00:53:23.139 liberal flavor that's all good with transgender 00:53:23.139 --> 00:53:29.250 and all good with homosexual pastors? What flavor 00:53:29.250 --> 00:53:33.210 are you putting? So it's like buying a translation 00:53:33.210 --> 00:53:36.269 of the Bible. There's hundreds of these. You 00:53:36.269 --> 00:53:39.969 know, I was talking to Pastor Darren Tyler from 00:53:39.969 --> 00:53:45.329 Conduit in Franklin, Tennessee. Solid. And he 00:53:45.329 --> 00:53:47.929 was talking about other churches. He said, the 00:53:47.929 --> 00:53:51.710 way I see it is. So I think they're non -denominational. 00:53:51.789 --> 00:53:53.849 They are. There's a Baptist church here. There's 00:53:53.849 --> 00:53:56.929 all these different flavors. He said, and God 00:53:56.929 --> 00:53:59.289 is using those pastors and those churches to 00:53:59.289 --> 00:54:01.389 get his word to them in the way they need to 00:54:01.389 --> 00:54:04.570 hear it, which I thought was kind of a good way. 00:54:04.630 --> 00:54:06.969 That's a good assessment. But when you put everything 00:54:06.969 --> 00:54:09.670 into a large language model and doesn't say King 00:54:09.670 --> 00:54:12.329 James Version, you don't know what you're getting. 00:54:12.369 --> 00:54:14.550 And you mix those two up, and that could be kind 00:54:14.550 --> 00:54:16.789 of weird. So what I do when I actually use AI 00:54:16.789 --> 00:54:20.210 for anything, I'll say, I'll say, what's a good 00:54:20.210 --> 00:54:23.809 title for an American evangelical non -denominational 00:54:23.809 --> 00:54:27.829 church? So it depends on the prompts that you 00:54:27.829 --> 00:54:29.989 put in. And if you don't know what you're prompting 00:54:29.989 --> 00:54:32.130 and you don't know what you're looking for, it 00:54:32.130 --> 00:54:35.570 will give you something. And it may sound good. 00:54:36.710 --> 00:54:39.489 It's amazing. This reminds me of, you know, gosh, 00:54:39.630 --> 00:54:41.829 15, 20 years ago when a lot of new age people 00:54:41.829 --> 00:54:45.050 were coming out and saying. Hey, I saw angels 00:54:45.050 --> 00:54:47.349 and this angel spoke to me. So I wrote a book 00:54:47.349 --> 00:54:49.130 about it and Christians were picking this book 00:54:49.130 --> 00:54:52.590 up and going, this is amazing. Turned out it 00:54:52.590 --> 00:54:54.570 was completely heretical and they were not, it 00:54:54.570 --> 00:54:56.929 was not biblically based at all, but because 00:54:56.929 --> 00:55:00.150 it tickled something in them, they enjoyed it. 00:55:00.210 --> 00:55:02.409 And they, they actually, it's almost like they 00:55:02.409 --> 00:55:04.590 took it as a template and put it over their Christian 00:55:04.590 --> 00:55:08.090 faith and added it to, but it wasn't biblical 00:55:08.090 --> 00:55:11.530 at all. So this is where. Where I come back to 00:55:11.530 --> 00:55:15.130 being conservative, I come back to saying, let's 00:55:15.130 --> 00:55:17.309 get back to this. Bring out the bring out the 00:55:17.309 --> 00:55:19.849 book and we better put it through this lens. 00:55:20.050 --> 00:55:22.849 And if it doesn't fit, I don't care how cool 00:55:22.849 --> 00:55:26.429 it is or how, you know, whiz bang it is and all 00:55:26.429 --> 00:55:29.110 the bells and whistles it is. If it doesn't if 00:55:29.110 --> 00:55:31.949 it's not in alignment, we have to walk away. 00:55:32.449 --> 00:55:36.250 And this is I think what's happening here because. 00:55:36.829 --> 00:55:38.909 Because of Godcaster, I'm talking to a lot of 00:55:38.909 --> 00:55:42.670 churches, pastors, radio stations. And in general, 00:55:42.809 --> 00:55:48.329 the church, as a generalization, feels they came 00:55:48.329 --> 00:55:52.050 to the Internet late. And they weren't using 00:55:52.050 --> 00:55:56.510 it as early and as soon as they could have or 00:55:56.510 --> 00:55:59.030 would have. They probably said the Internet's 00:55:59.030 --> 00:56:00.809 the devil. I'm sure we had a lot of that going 00:56:00.809 --> 00:56:04.260 on. Of course. And so now there's this feeling 00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:06.179 of we're not going to we're not going to be last 00:56:06.179 --> 00:56:09.380 on this hashtag FOMO. It's exactly what you're 00:56:09.380 --> 00:56:11.920 missing out. And and this final clip kind of 00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:15.260 this is this is the real danger, I think. And 00:56:15.260 --> 00:56:17.599 and just to push it maybe a little bit further, 00:56:17.900 --> 00:56:21.059 David, there are people on the face of the earth 00:56:21.059 --> 00:56:24.679 that have. Interacted with a chat bot, not a 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:28.239 human, have interacted around topics related 00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:32.000 to Christianity, have read scripture in that 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:35.239 chat bot, have decided to make a decision to 00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:39.000 follow Jesus and have gone from that chat bot 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.500 experience, gotten plugged into a church and 00:56:41.500 --> 00:56:43.940 are participating in a church community as a 00:56:43.940 --> 00:56:46.599 believer. And so whether you want to say, well, 00:56:46.659 --> 00:56:51.309 did the chat bot. you know, witness and is evangelism 00:56:51.309 --> 00:56:54.309 and that sort of thing. There's things to wrestle 00:56:54.309 --> 00:56:57.030 with there. But I think the point is, you know, 00:56:57.030 --> 00:57:02.650 I personally speaking, I probably decided to 00:57:02.650 --> 00:57:05.590 follow Jesus because I was terrified of terrified 00:57:05.590 --> 00:57:09.510 of hell, not necessarily because I had a great. 00:57:10.250 --> 00:57:14.230 well -aligned love of of the trinity and all 00:57:14.230 --> 00:57:18.130 the right motivations right but thankfully god 00:57:18.130 --> 00:57:20.929 meets us where we're at and he can use a variety 00:57:20.929 --> 00:57:23.650 of means and he doesn't expect us to have the 00:57:23.650 --> 00:57:26.190 right motivations sure that's right and that's 00:57:26.190 --> 00:57:27.650 a really good point i'm glad you phrased it that 00:57:27.650 --> 00:57:29.969 way and if we rewound the clock several hundred 00:57:29.969 --> 00:57:32.590 years we might have said you know did the printing 00:57:32.590 --> 00:57:34.909 press lead someone to christ and you know the 00:57:34.909 --> 00:57:38.070 word of god you know is is used by the spirit 00:57:38.070 --> 00:57:41.670 of god I don't know, man. It doesn't feel good 00:57:41.670 --> 00:57:45.869 to me. It feels like we're trying to work this 00:57:45.869 --> 00:57:49.449 into the bigger framework. To justify it. And 00:57:49.449 --> 00:57:51.989 what we would call the sovereignty of God. Sovereignty 00:57:51.989 --> 00:57:54.210 of God, this being that God's going to get it 00:57:54.210 --> 00:57:56.269 done one way or the other. And now that this 00:57:56.269 --> 00:57:59.610 has come along, it appears to be a new technology. 00:57:59.670 --> 00:58:01.889 It's really not. But it appears to be new, right? 00:58:02.269 --> 00:58:07.960 And so, you know, it's very... There's always 00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.719 going to be a broad spectrum of acceptance and 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.619 non -acceptance, and it's going to land different. 00:58:13.659 --> 00:58:16.199 Whether you're listening to that podcast or this 00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.619 news piece or this article, anything that comes 00:58:19.619 --> 00:58:24.059 up, you're going to get a wide spectrum of consent, 00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:26.159 dissent. I mean, you're going to see it all. 00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:28.880 And they're on the assent side of going, hey, 00:58:28.900 --> 00:58:31.420 this could be a good thing. This chat box could 00:58:31.420 --> 00:58:35.719 have led somebody to Jesus. Hey, you know, a 00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:38.019 donkey spoke up to Balaam, you know, in the Old 00:58:38.019 --> 00:58:40.820 Testament. I mean, I got to get this done three 00:58:40.820 --> 00:58:43.679 times. All I have is a donkey and Balaam is not 00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:46.320 listening. So I'm going to get it. So we know 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:49.000 God can use anything. Right. I mean, really in 00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:53.480 the sovereignty of God. But I think everybody 00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:55.980 you nailed it. The FOMO thing. I mean, we're 00:58:55.980 --> 00:58:58.480 fear of missing out. So we become early adopters 00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:01.969 and sometimes we rush in. Before we let something 00:59:01.969 --> 00:59:03.849 sit. I mean, I've gotten to where, and I think 00:59:03.849 --> 00:59:06.429 you've taught me this, is don't just update your 00:59:06.429 --> 00:59:08.389 phone because it's telling you to. Man, I learned 00:59:08.389 --> 00:59:10.829 that the hard way on the Roadcaster. Whoops. 00:59:11.110 --> 00:59:13.349 Whoa. Wait a little bit. Don't update right before 00:59:13.349 --> 00:59:15.610 you're going to do a podcast. All of a sudden, 00:59:15.630 --> 00:59:18.170 nothing works. Wait a little bit until it's shaking 00:59:18.170 --> 00:59:20.369 out. I'm learning to rest. I'm learning to be 00:59:20.369 --> 00:59:22.769 slower in these things. Again, don't get in a 00:59:22.769 --> 00:59:24.469 hurry, right? We talked about that song from 00:59:24.469 --> 00:59:28.090 War Reagan. I hear what they're doing. They're 00:59:28.090 --> 00:59:30.670 trying. I hear the justification, I guess, is 00:59:30.670 --> 00:59:33.010 what I'm saying. I hear that they're trying to 00:59:33.010 --> 00:59:37.130 do a cyclical reasoning where they're trying 00:59:37.130 --> 00:59:40.050 to come back to. It's OK because it's OK because. 00:59:40.489 --> 00:59:42.630 But here's what I know about the devil. He always 00:59:42.630 --> 00:59:46.429 overshoots, always overplays. He will he will 00:59:46.429 --> 00:59:50.130 give up a little ground to take a lot more. Right. 00:59:50.210 --> 00:59:52.849 So if he can get a few. Hey, OK. A few people 00:59:52.849 --> 00:59:56.059 gave their life to Jesus because. But look at 00:59:56.059 --> 00:59:59.579 the bigger thing. He's smart that way. He's strategic. 01:00:00.099 --> 01:00:04.300 He's a schemer. Can't he also use this technology? 01:00:04.699 --> 01:00:06.920 Exactly. Well, yeah, that goes for just about 01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:09.980 anything, doesn't it? Yeah. Rock music, rock 01:00:09.980 --> 01:00:11.880 worship. I mean, you know, all of it. It's true. 01:00:11.980 --> 01:00:16.280 Yeah. When I just look at, because I study this 01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:19.179 over and over again, I don't see a lot of, wow, 01:00:19.340 --> 01:00:22.139 I found Jesus because of the chat bot. I see 01:00:22.139 --> 01:00:25.130 a lot of. Oh, I'm actually supernatural, the 01:00:25.130 --> 01:00:28.309 chatbot says. I mean, there's some stories. I'm 01:00:28.309 --> 01:00:31.389 okay now. Yeah. Everyone's looking for meaning, 01:00:31.449 --> 01:00:35.590 and the chatbot just feels like, how can the 01:00:35.590 --> 01:00:38.690 fruit of the spirit come from that, from a copy 01:00:38.690 --> 01:00:42.289 machine? Go talk to the Xerox machine. It's the 01:00:42.289 --> 01:00:45.110 same thing. It's the same thing. Don't we all? 01:00:45.210 --> 01:00:47.150 Isn't it human nature to want to believe there's 01:00:47.150 --> 01:00:51.269 something beyond us? See Joe Rogan. And it can 01:00:51.269 --> 01:00:54.630 be digital. It can be digital. Joe's like a lot 01:00:54.630 --> 01:00:56.929 of different things. But it could be anything. 01:00:57.110 --> 01:00:59.409 And so we get this thing that's at our fingertips 01:00:59.409 --> 01:01:02.010 and easily acceptable. And for the most part, 01:01:02.030 --> 01:01:05.429 free. Nothing's really free. But it feels free 01:01:05.429 --> 01:01:10.230 in the moment. Until they create that need. And 01:01:10.230 --> 01:01:12.289 then it suddenly costs something to get what 01:01:12.289 --> 01:01:14.050 you were getting for free. But right. We know 01:01:14.050 --> 01:01:17.409 how that works. But because we want to believe. 01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:21.480 That there's the golden key just beyond. It's 01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.139 like the carrot that's just out in front. And 01:01:24.139 --> 01:01:26.119 that's what the enemy uses to take us along. 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:29.320 The answer that you've been looking for. And 01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:31.619 we really don't even know the question. Isn't 01:01:31.619 --> 01:01:34.420 it true? Yes. But we all feel like I think there's 01:01:34.420 --> 01:01:38.039 this inert thing where we think there's something 01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:41.840 just beyond. So it keeps us constantly striving 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:45.340 for something else. And AI comes along and it 01:01:45.340 --> 01:01:49.920 seems to have. makes these promises. But who 01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:51.940 are you listening to that are making the promises? 01:01:51.980 --> 01:01:54.920 The guys from the WEF or the guys from, you don't 01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:57.860 know. I mean, it's some wild stuff out there. 01:01:58.139 --> 01:02:03.480 And it's, it's like, it feels like it's a shortcut. 01:02:03.659 --> 01:02:05.699 Like, well, that's what it feels like, you know, 01:02:05.699 --> 01:02:09.199 whereas I remember when Tina was coming to church 01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:13.369 and I was watching online and I was coming. I 01:02:13.369 --> 01:02:15.269 was coming to Jesus. I was coming along. But 01:02:15.269 --> 01:02:17.650 it wasn't until I said, brother, I'll see you 01:02:17.650 --> 01:02:19.230 tomorrow morning at church. Yeah, I remember 01:02:19.230 --> 01:02:22.070 that. That's when it started. You need the human 01:02:22.070 --> 01:02:23.949 interaction. You need to be in the ecclesia. 01:02:23.969 --> 01:02:27.670 You need to be a part of the group. Yeah, you 01:02:27.670 --> 01:02:30.889 need the good, but you also need the hard. Yes. 01:02:31.230 --> 01:02:33.889 Doing difficult creates something. There it is. 01:02:33.909 --> 01:02:36.710 Soft things create soft men. I mean, soft times 01:02:36.710 --> 01:02:40.150 create soft men, but hard times create strong 01:02:40.150 --> 01:02:44.119 men. And so there's this ebb and flow and this 01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.380 dynamic that happens when you're having to work 01:02:46.380 --> 01:02:50.780 for something. I remember I wanted white -lettered 01:02:50.780 --> 01:02:53.840 tires for my 69 Chevelle Supersport. He had the 01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:55.860 striped tires, you know, white walls. I'm like, 01:02:55.980 --> 01:02:59.360 Dad, you don't have white walls on a muscle car. 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.599 But they came with that. So he was like, you 01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.639 know, I mean, I'm a freshman in high school. 01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:07.659 And he's like, you don't have enough money to 01:03:07.659 --> 01:03:10.719 buy those tires. I waited and I waited and I 01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:13.360 waited. And when I finally got those tires out, 01:03:13.420 --> 01:03:16.039 firestones, I'll never forget. He'd come driving 01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:18.000 my car down the road because he had the tires 01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:21.280 put on. And I saw him. I was like, all that weight, 01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:25.159 all that scraping together, allowance, and a 01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:26.920 little bit of what I was able to make at the 01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:30.980 gas local Texaco and post Texas, you know, pouring 01:03:30.980 --> 01:03:34.900 my little bit into it. The satisfaction I had 01:03:34.900 --> 01:03:37.039 when I finally gained what I had worked for, 01:03:37.139 --> 01:03:42.239 it made it all the more amazing. This is, this 01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.539 is before there were credit cards, before there 01:03:45.539 --> 01:03:49.739 was gratification. Yep. And this is what I, so 01:03:49.739 --> 01:03:52.280 if I can sit behind the keyboard and answer all 01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:54.860 the deep philosophical and theological questions 01:03:54.860 --> 01:03:59.820 of life through a chat bot. Do AI. Oh, my God. 01:03:59.860 --> 01:04:01.900 How easy is that? Wouldn't it be great to work 01:04:01.900 --> 01:04:03.800 for anything? You want to be fantastic? I'm just 01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:05.619 going to ask a question and get an answer for 01:04:05.619 --> 01:04:08.179 everything. Got to read all those hard words. 01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:10.199 Got to look at all that individual language. 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:12.420 Like, what does it actually mean there? This 01:04:12.420 --> 01:04:15.739 comes back to let's do difficult. Every time 01:04:15.739 --> 01:04:18.150 Annette gets me up. to go walk at seven o 'clock 01:04:18.150 --> 01:04:20.909 in the morning, a power walk. I'm thinking let's 01:04:20.909 --> 01:04:23.210 do difficult. I got to do difficult. I have to, 01:04:23.269 --> 01:04:25.010 this is going to be good for me. And you know 01:04:25.010 --> 01:04:27.570 what? I actually had to admit to a debt recently, 01:04:27.630 --> 01:04:30.929 like yesterday. okay, this is working. I feel 01:04:30.929 --> 01:04:33.849 much better. Yeah. I've got better stamina, even 01:04:33.849 --> 01:04:36.570 preaching. I feel good on Sunday afternoons where 01:04:36.570 --> 01:04:38.469 before I was like, I didn't get nap. You walk 01:04:38.469 --> 01:04:40.969 on Sunday mornings as well or no, no, I just 01:04:40.969 --> 01:04:42.510 said, you got to get up soon. We were off on 01:04:42.510 --> 01:04:45.269 Saturday, Sunday, but we walked during the week, 01:04:45.269 --> 01:04:48.230 but I'm realizing it's why? Because it's hard. 01:04:48.429 --> 01:04:51.750 Yeah. Cause it takes effort and discipline and 01:04:51.750 --> 01:04:55.070 a choice and putting other things aside because 01:04:55.070 --> 01:04:58.500 this is important. Well, I hope, I hope people 01:04:58.500 --> 01:05:01.440 got something out of this. Me too. It's too difficult. 01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:05.480 I love talking with you about this stuff, which 01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:06.860 is kind of the reason we joined the podcast. 01:05:07.139 --> 01:05:09.280 I agree. I love it. So we can really get down 01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:11.440 to the bottom of these things. You're traveling? 01:05:11.659 --> 01:05:15.239 You're going? I'll be in Dallas next week. McKinney, 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:17.179 actually, up in the Dallas -Fort Worth Metroplex. 01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:20.699 I'm speaking at a PAC. And I don't even know 01:05:20.699 --> 01:05:22.659 how the guy found out who I was, but he invited 01:05:22.659 --> 01:05:26.000 me to come out. From a pastor and Christian perspective, 01:05:26.300 --> 01:05:28.679 explain why should a Christian be involved in 01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:31.880 politics? That's an easy answer. That's a loaded 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:34.159 one. Are you on a panel or are you doing that? 01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:36.219 I'm on a panel. And Steve Maxwell, I don't know 01:05:36.219 --> 01:05:39.179 the other guys, but Steve Maxwell, somehow, Steve 01:05:39.179 --> 01:05:42.320 shows up everywhere. Him and Rick Green. You 01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.079 can be on the other end of the world and you 01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:45.699 run into him in an airport. Hey, guys, how you 01:05:45.699 --> 01:05:47.519 doing? I didn't know we were speaking together. 01:05:47.820 --> 01:05:49.539 I'm on my way. That's Steve. So Steve's going 01:05:49.539 --> 01:05:52.199 to be there as well. I'm looking forward to seeing 01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:53.699 him. But, you know, I'm excited. I'm excited 01:05:53.699 --> 01:05:57.599 about it because I love being able to speak outside 01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:00.320 the four walls of the church. I love what I do 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:02.219 as a pastor. It's the joy of my life. It shows, 01:06:02.219 --> 01:06:05.000 brother. It shows. I get to do this. You do get 01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:07.980 to do this for sure. But when I get to do it 01:06:07.980 --> 01:06:10.420 outside the walls in different contexts, whether 01:06:10.420 --> 01:06:12.659 it's the carnivore health world, which I love 01:06:12.659 --> 01:06:16.500 doing that, or it's speaking into culture outside 01:06:16.500 --> 01:06:19.599 of the pulpit. I love doing that. I'm just so 01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:22.039 thankful I get to do it. I get to do it. And 01:06:22.039 --> 01:06:24.460 I'm thankful I get to do this with you, brother. 01:06:24.900 --> 01:06:28.019 As a podcaster, this is a dream. This is fun. 01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:30.699 And by the way, happy birthday from last week. 01:06:30.699 --> 01:06:33.559 Oh, thank you. You leveled up, brother. Yes, 01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:36.480 you can't bring up the hoodie because Tina said, 01:06:36.659 --> 01:06:39.039 that's show content for Curry and the Keeper. 01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:41.579 You can't be talking about that. Mom's the word. 01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:44.000 I see it, but I'm not saying a word about it. 01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:46.519 You can't say anything. One of your 30 hoodies. 01:06:47.409 --> 01:06:50.010 It's now 28 because I had to give some up. But 01:06:50.010 --> 01:06:51.750 I'm not supposed to talk about that. Hey, as 01:06:51.750 --> 01:06:53.829 we land on the plane, can I give a scripture, 01:06:53.989 --> 01:06:56.449 man? Yeah, please. I think I shared this last 01:06:56.449 --> 01:06:58.469 week, but it's right in front of me. And it's 01:06:58.469 --> 01:07:00.989 just so apropos to what we're talking about. 01:07:01.130 --> 01:07:03.289 And again, looking at the wisdom of scripture 01:07:03.289 --> 01:07:07.889 that supersedes AI and all these things, just 01:07:07.889 --> 01:07:09.869 in the simplicity of it. Listen to this. For 01:07:09.869 --> 01:07:13.110 there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed 01:07:13.110 --> 01:07:16.010 and nothing concealed. that will not be known 01:07:16.010 --> 01:07:18.349 or brought out into the open. That's Luke 8, 01:07:18.389 --> 01:07:22.889 17. Season of reveal, man. Season of reveal. 01:07:23.170 --> 01:07:24.670 You nailed it. You brought the, I don't know 01:07:24.670 --> 01:07:26.369 where you got that, the Holy Spirit. That was 01:07:26.369 --> 01:07:27.889 a download on one of your walks with people. 01:07:27.909 --> 01:07:31.130 It was, it was. But that has stuck with me. And 01:07:31.130 --> 01:07:34.530 every time I see something right now, of course, 01:07:34.530 --> 01:07:36.929 now we're watching culture through these grids, 01:07:36.929 --> 01:07:39.469 right? These lens. And I think season of reveal. 01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:43.019 By the way, I'm really enjoying Daniel Cohen. 01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:47.280 You mentioned bring up. Yeah, I think folks should 01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:50.320 check that out. Daniel Cohen show. It's on the 01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:52.539 Real Life Network. You can get that as an app. 01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:54.940 You can get it on YouTube. But check out the 01:07:54.940 --> 01:07:57.719 Daniel Cohen show. He is doing some really neat 01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.920 things on Israel coming from someone who's an 01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:04.880 American, but is also Jewish heritage. So he's 01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:08.090 he's messianic. So he's got he's. I guess you'd 01:08:08.090 --> 01:08:10.849 say straddling the barbed wire fence. He's on 01:08:10.849 --> 01:08:13.869 both sides, and yet he brings a real good perspective 01:08:13.869 --> 01:08:17.750 to what's going on with Hamas and Gaza and all 01:08:17.750 --> 01:08:19.310 the things that are happening there. I would 01:08:19.310 --> 01:08:21.710 highly recommend that. Check it out. All right, 01:08:21.710 --> 01:08:23.689 brother. Thank you so much, as always. And have 01:08:23.689 --> 01:08:25.810 safe travels. Thank you, brother. And travel 01:08:25.810 --> 01:08:28.430 favor. Pray for us. It's going to be a fun trip. 01:08:28.569 --> 01:08:31.170 Exactly. We get to do this. We'll see you next 01:08:31.170 --> 01:08:31.670 time, everybody.