Lord Jesus, first of all, we give everything
we do and say to you. It's our heart to honor
you. It's our heart to honor your values, your
heart. We want to reflect and radiate who you
are. We give you this podcast, and may it be
a blessing to everyone who listens. In Jesus'
name, amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, September 10th,
2025. We get to do this. This is episode number
two. We get to do this. You know, the only thing
that's hard about starting off with a prayer
is I always like to fold my hands, and I can't
hit the button. No, no, you've got to be ready.
I'm not ready for it at that point. You've got
to be ready to roll, ready to hit. Hit the donut.
Hey, brother, how you doing? I am doing great.
Good to see you. Welcome back from the great
city of Big Smoke. Formerly great city of Austin.
Yes, Big Smoke of Austin. Tina and I stayed overnight
there last night with some friends who we've
known. Gosh, at least six years probably. And
she actually works for Sloan Kettering. She's
a consultant. She knows a lot about the pharmaceutical
industry. Oh, interesting. Yes. Boots on the
ground. Had some boots on the ground from her.
He used to work in the entertainment industry.
He was the chief financial officer and later
the co -president of Marvel. Oh, wow. Yeah. Until
they went all DEI and kicked everybody. I think
he actually has a lawsuit running against him.
Did you say vice president? He was no co -president.
Co -president. Wow. Yeah. We call that in West
Texas, tall cotton. He's in tall cotton. There's
a show title for you right there. Tall cotton.
You better jot that down. I like it a lot. Jot
it down. Just in case. So what do you think they
were talking about in Austin? What is the big
topic of the day? Wow. There is so much happening
in this last new, fresh recession reboot. There's
a lot going on right now. It's the new logo.
Oh, I saw that. Was it is it Canva or is it not?
Well, I think the joke is it's hilarious. It
was one point two million dollars to develop
this by someone who couldn't afford to pay for
premium Canva. Exactly. Yeah. And it looks like
a tent, which, of course, is kind of. You know,
I'm a Canva kind of guy. I know. You're good
at Canva. Well, it's because I can't do anything
else. It's the only thing I know how to do. I'm
with you on that. I enjoy it. It's good. It's
good for guys like me, but for high -level professional,
I could have done that for $100. Gladly. And
what's interesting is, you know, everyone's all
in a tussle about this. I'm like, yeah, it's
ridiculous. But is that really the number one
problem you have in Austin? But that's what everybody
focuses on. I know. And I look at the logo. I'm
like, it's OK. I mean, you've selected logos
in the past. And sometimes it's hard to break
someone's creative heart and just say, hey, man,
this thing is just no good. It's just not what
I'm looking for. I heard a handful of people
one time because they. Took a whole department
to develop a logo and it was not good. I still
keep telling you, I'm going to show that to you.
I got to show it to you. I'm not going to go
into details. I don't want to protect the guilty.
So, you know, but anyway, you know, Austin's
an interesting thing. I mean, you pull up anything,
Austin, on whether it's Instagram or anything,
social media, you get the robot running around
falling down. You know, there's this robot they
have. And these guys are following him around.
You know, it's Orion or something like that.
Or Oris. I can't remember which one it is. But
anyway, he keeps bumping into stuff and he keeps
glitching. Yeah. It's talking to somebody that
knocks this lady off the curb. I mean, it's like,
OK. Yeah. Austin's insane. And all the Waymo
cars driving around. I mean, there are just.
Oh, must be a hundred of them. Yet another clip.
There's a video of these. Honestly, it's homeless
guys that are running out in front of the car,
making it stop. And they're dancing in front
of it. Oh, no goodness. Just to mess with it.
Because it can't do anything. Yeah, people will
put traffic cones on the hood. And the minute
you do that, it just completely. It just stops.
Yeah, it's disabled. It can't do anything. Yeah.
But just because we lived in Austin for quite
a while. And it just doesn't. You know what?
Tina nailed it. She says it feels like we're
further away from God. Wow. Yeah. And these people
are believers. They go to a church in Austin.
There's some good churches in Austin. For sure.
There's some really good ones, but it just feels
like that. Yeah, I get it. You just get that
feel. So, of course, I missed the men's breakfast
Saturday because we were gone. How was that?
What a morning. Pastor Brian brought a message.
Of course, he's hardcore. I mean, he's like...
All up in men's grills. You got to man up, be
strong, be a man. I mean, he's so good, but it
was great. Such a great, it's amazing when men
come together. Yeah. And to the banner of Jesus
Christ, you know, you can come together under
a lot of things. You come for a gun show or a
hot rod show or a horse show, you know, trucks,
men's stuff, you know, that kind of stuff. But
when they come together under the banner of Christ,
you, I was looking around the room, I was sitting
in the back and I'm just observing. And I'm seeing
a Texas Ranger over here. I'm seeing a police
officer over here, a firefighter over here. I
mean, these are men. These are men that do men
stuff, like save lives, rescue people, arrest
bad guys, put bad guys away. And I'm looking
at them, and they're standing there raising their
hands in worship. I love that. Worshiping Jesus.
But they may be sitting by somebody who does
none of those things. And yet there's this camaraderie.
There's this fellowship, this brotherhood around
Christ. Also a vulnerability because, of course,
almost every single men's breakfast. And there's
a vulnerability and guys just they're able to
open up to each other about just stuff that we
might not even tell our wives, you know, and
you don't even think about it. Honestly, you
just like, hey, man, this is how I feel about
stuff sometimes. And the conversations that are
sparked is it's really safe. It's very, yes,
indeed. And that's part of our goal is to create
safety, a sense where guys can just kind of go,
you know what, man, I've had a bad week. This
week sucked. This sucks to be me right now. And
to create that atmosphere where guys feel safe
and can just be open and vulnerable is amazing.
And to do that in front of their sons, because
we've got kids there too, which is really interesting
dynamic. I was watching some of these young kids.
You know, they're kind of clueless. I mean, at
that age, I was clueless. We all were. Jimmy,
we're still clueless. We're still clueless. Okay,
I have not graduated above 12, basically. But
I'm watching these kids. I'm going, they don't
even know what they're getting right now. Maybe
someday it'll begin to. It's like seeds dropping
into soil. Yeah. And someday that'll bring forth
a harvest, right? Down the road. And I was watching
a guy, he's a first responder. He's holding his
son in his arms, just holding him. And I'm watching
it just going, this is amazing. And I'm watching
another guy who was a former major league baseball
player, played in the major leagues for 15 years.
He's a giant, you know, Jonathan, he's a big
guy. And he's holding his son in his arms while
Pastor Brian's just ripping, you know, and I'm
just like. This is what it means to pass the
baton to the next generation, to bring these
young people into this environment. Even if they
don't get it now, they're getting some. Their
spirit's getting it, even if their heart and
head's not yet. And to be exposed to that. I
mean, things that I were exposed to as a young
man, going to the firehouse with my dad. He was
a firefighter and first responder. And getting
to just hang out around. Guys that I looked up
to as heroes. These are firefighters. And I'm
the kid, and I'm spending the night there on
a Saturday night with my dad in the bunkhouse.
But I'm doing everything they're doing. I'm cleaning
things. I'm washing dishes. I'm helping prep
for food. I'm playing ping pong. By the way,
I became a killer ping pong player hanging out
at the firehouse. For real. I need to play you
because I'm not bad at ping pong. Or as we say
in the old country, table tennis. Table tennis,
my friend. We just call it ping pong. Hey, at
Texas Tech, I was like one of the top players
during my time there. I was beating the Chinese
guys. What? I'm just saying. Okay. Yeah, it'll
be fun. So the other thing is that even when
men are together in a group, it's more like a,
hey, hey, hey, boss, how you doing, man? You
know, it's a kind of, you macho up just kind
of by yourself. But in this setting, it's just.
Ooh, you just let it all kind of be there. I'm
not going to lie, though. I like pulling into
our parking lot. It starts at 830. I pull in
at 820. And almost every vehicle is a pickup.
A pickup truck. F -250 with lift kits. I'm going,
now this is testosterone, man. This is for real.
That's right. But I love that because these guys,
yeah, I mean. I mean, we're in Texas, right?
So we don't call 911 here. I'm just saying our
guys, they're the real deal. But when you get
them all together in a room and Russ Hearn gets
up there, our worship leader, and starts leading
worship, these guys are just like, before God,
open. It was beautiful. The whole morning was
amazing. I leave just lifted. Yeah. I'm bummed
I missed it, honestly. It's like, we already
had this longstanding arrangement. It's good
for us. So you were in Austin for a day. Yeah.
Evening. Yes. Yeah. Hanging out with friends.
We had sushi. This was not H -E -B. No, no. We're
talking real sushi. But it feels like New York,
man. Everyone is it's busy. It's loud. It's noisy.
Yeah. It's a bit. Everyone looks like an influencer.
Yeah. You know, it's just so. And also, you know,
I'm 61 now. So I'm in my 60s. We're seeing things
differently. I'm seeing things very differently.
I am. Something happened with this birthday.
Interesting you mentioned that because I was
just listening to a Will Regan song that's on
the Godcaster. And it's about hurry. And it's
about not hurrying. I'm not in a hurry. Yeah,
of course. Yes. I'd never listened to the words
of that. I just, I didn't even know. It feels
like a song out of time. Like it's another from
another generation. It almost, isn't that, it
has a little bit of an R and B kind of vibe to
it. Yeah. But that dude, he was a worship leader
up in Colorado Springs. I mean, he, he wrote
some big songs in the, in the worship industry,
but he's kind of stepped back from all of that.
Yeah. And that song, I was just listening to
it coming in while major downpour here in Fredericksburg
right now. But as I'm coming out and listen to
that song, it's interesting. I don't know about
you, but I get things in multiples. Like I'll
hear somebody talking about being quiet. I'll
hear somebody I read this morning, Victor Marks,
talking about silence. These are messages when
you get it in multiples. I'm getting these multiples.
I've gotten four just in the last couple of days.
And then I was listening to Will Reagan coming
in, pouring down rain. I mean, I'm like hydroplaning
most of the way in, right? And I turn up my radio
really loud just to overcome the downpour on
the car. And he's singing, I'm not in a hurry.
And I'm just like, okay, God, I'm starting to
get this. Slow down. Slow down. Take your time.
It's going to be okay. Convergence. First of
all, wasn't that your word of the year? It is
my word of this year. And was it Tim Barton?
No, it was from the— Lance Wallnau. Lance Wallnau.
He was talking about convergence, which I used
to call— Oh, what's the word? Synchronicity.
That's a good word. I remember from, yeah, yeah.
The guy from the police. Sting. Yeah, Sting.
Oh, yeah. Great song. Great song, by the way.
Synchronicity. And now I know, it's like, I see
this all the time. Like, the same scripture will
pop up in two different devotionals on the same
day. Or, you know, just. Yeah, it happens a lot.
From different places. Yeah, and I pay attention
to that. That's when God is telling me, pay attention.
I learned a new word today. A God flick. You
remember when you were a kid and you'd flick
somebody's ear? Another kid's ear? I still do
that to my daughter from time to time. Ooh, ouch.
That hurts. Be quiet, you. A God flick. Wow.
Somebody said it to me today. He said, yeah,
I've got a God flick. I'm like, I looked at him.
He goes, you know how you used to flick each
other? I'll go, okay. When we were kids, I remember
now. Wow. It's a God flick. So all of a sudden
you go, wait a minute. God's trying to get something
to me. Yes. Through these different channels.
Yeah. Anyway, mine's slowed down, apparently.
So, actually, Just speaking of that, some scripture
just popped up for me a couple times. I wrote
it down because it doesn't pertain to this, but
it kind of does because this was one that when
I was just starting on the faith walk, this one
just pumped into my head so hard. And it's part
of the Lord's prayer of forgive us of our debts
as we forgive our debtors. Beautiful. And I forgot.
You know, it's amazing how you read scripture.
And, you know, I was completely into Ephesians
for a while, especially six. And I just, just
drinking it all in. And then Proverbs 25, 21
to 22 pops up. And I just have to keep remembering
this. If your enemies are hungry, give them food
to eat. If they're thirsty, give them water to
drink. You will keep burning coals or shame on
their heads and the Lord will reward you. I keep
reminding myself like, cause you know, we got
some trouble going on the street right now where
we live. There's one family who moved in and
they're, they're kind of disrupting the neighborhood.
Yeah. And we had a meeting, you know, the neighbor
had a meeting like a Java ranch, you know, like,
yeah, man, we're going to have a meeting. Yeah.
We got to have a meeting. And I brought this
up to them. I said, can I just remind, cause
they're all believers. Yeah. Good folks. Yeah.
Can I just remind everybody of this? And, you
know, and I prayed over the meeting and I said,
let me just remind you of this. And I think it
made a difference because, man, there was some
anger. Just, you know, hey, these people are
disrupting the neighborhood. And like, well,
let's just think about how we can approach this.
I don't know if it'll stick that long, but it
felt good to say it. Now you threw up a flag.
Yeah, I did. I did. I don't think they thought
it would. They didn't see it coming for me. Yeah.
That's good. What's this podcast guy doing here?
What's this podcast guy? Well done, brother.
Well played. So I brought a couple clips. Okay.
Just stuff that's been going on this week. And
I think the main thing that probably has filled
everyone's timeline is RFK Jr. Wow. And, you
know, he was called to testify. about, you know,
why he's, you know, defunding mRNA and all this
stuff. And amongst all of the noise, because,
you know, what you're going to get, you're not
going to see anything but the clips of fire and
brimstone and anger. Elizabeth Warren losing
her mind. Completely going nuts. Right. I saw
that. I actually, let me see. I wanted to bring
up, I didn't have this one prepared, actually.
It's all right. But there's, in this opening
statement, he actually got to tell everybody
what he's been doing. And I was thinking to myself,
you know, this is something that no one will
hear. They're not going to play any clips of
this. It seems I don't have it after all. But
it was quite amazing. I know you and Devorah,
you and John talked a little bit about on No
Agenda. Yeah. And, you know, what he's done with
food dyes and with baby formula and fluoride
in the water and just, but really trying to make
people healthy. And, and I look at these representatives
who I think truly, you have to think that they
really believe where they stand and whether that's
because a lobbyist has been showing them charts
and stuff forever and ever and ever. But ultimately
the clip I brought, He's from the Florida Surgeon
General. Oh, good one. I forget his name. And
this is a clip from France 24. So, you know,
it's a little bit of an overview about how crazy
the Floridians are to say no more mandated vaccinations.
But what he said was just I thought it was fantastic.
For decades, public health guidance has been
clear. Vaccines save lives and prevent the spread
of disease. Now, Florida wants to break from
the science and become the first US state to
get rid of all its vaccine mandates. This would
also extend to children who are currently. required
to be immunized against certain infections, such
as measles, mumps, and polio, before going to
school. Florida's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis,
framed it as a protection of parental rights.
The state surgeon general said the government
shouldn't infringe on bodily autonomy. Your body
is a gift from God. What you put into your body
is because of your relationship with your body
and your God. I don't have that right. Government
does not have that right. I thought that was,
and it was funny because on No Agenda, Dvorak
brought the same clip, but he actually cut that
part out. He said, I didn't think it added anything,
just virtue signaling. I'm like, that's that.
Wow. And it's fine. That's why there's two of
us on that show. But it's like, that is the essence,
the essence of where we have to stand with all
of this stuff. He nailed it. That was a triple
Lindy. I mean, he nailed the triple Lindy. It
was. That was so well said. And in such a short,
succinct way, he caught the heart of what we're
about. That which honors God. And, you know,
the scripture talks about, you know, we are to
do all things unto him. Everything for his glory.
whether it's a podcast or whether the way I'm
driving, I mean, that's, that's meddling that
moves from preaching to meddling, right? You
got some work to do there. Literally, you know,
I do. I'm growing. I'm learning. It's, it's a
process sanctification. So, but that, I love
what he said there. He, you don't hear a lot
of guys that are officials going that strong,
right? You hear a few, but to hear him and it
just, I'm pretty impressed with Florida, actually.
We love going there. We go to Naples every year.
It's become a tradition for us. And we love Destin.
We love, you know, there's great beaches there.
But we've learned to love the people there, you
know, with Jack Hillegoss and Steve Maxwell and
those great guys. And then you've got our friends
over in Naples. So there's just something good
happening there. And there's good things happening
here. Yes. And I see Texas and Florida as almost
twins. You know, we're kind of getting there.
Yeah, we're getting there. I mean, we're kind
of seem to be on the same track. The thing that's
that's always kind of tough, though, particularly
with vaccinations is and this is this is the
psyop that we just need to expose time and time
again is people say, I'm vaccinated. If you're
not vaccinated, you're putting me in danger.
Yep. And I just want to remind everybody of the
fallacy of that statement, because that means
this thing is not working. The whole point is
it's supposed to protect you. And, you know,
if anything, we need I think RFK Jr. And and
he's he's been waiting for this. I mean, he's
been waiting for 20 years to do this. So he's
not he's not backing down. President Trump is
backing him. And it's going to be very interesting
to see how far he gets and how far he takes everything.
There's going to have to be a real cultural conversation
and a biblical conversation about specifically
about vaccines. And I think, you know, as I told
you before, I hope we do this. I'm here for this
podcast for our church family here. If it goes
beyond, that's fantastic. But I'm sure a lot
of people are struggling with this. How do they
approach it? How do they approach conversations
with people about it, family members? We know
that this very topic split families right down
the middle during COVID and still reverberates.
Yeah, we've seen it a little bit before COVID.
I mean, with homeschool kids and parents saying,
you know what, I'm opting out of this. We have
a right to parent our children the way we see
fit. And then people scream their minds out because.
In their minds, they think that's a hit on everybody
else. So when COVID happened, that amplified
that mentality and that thinking. You're killing
your grandmother. Oh, that was a favorite. It
would be an empty seat at the table. Yeah, that
was the psyop. That was the one, the emotional
psyop that all of us were hearing. And because
I'm a pastor and I'm in a group of pastors, especially
at that time, I was actually leading our ministerial
lines. Everybody was showing up with masks on.
They were insisting on six feet. I mean, they
were following the rules that had been passed
down. And I'm sitting there, me and a couple,
me and about two other people are going, no,
no, no. And I'm the leader. So I'm trying to
be nice. But I'm also realizing the psyop on
this. And I'm like, no, that really was my wake
up call to a lot of things. So COVID was good
for me in that sense that it opened my eyes because
I was so trusting. But this going back to the
vaccine thing, I am very thankful that this guy
is saying what he's saying, but he's saying it
from a biblical worldview, which is what we're
trying to do. To say there is a lens, there is
a grid, there is something to see things through
that changes the narrative. That we're getting
from the world. Yeah. And when it comes to the
vaccines and all that, it's anti -vaxxers. You
know, suddenly you're a villain if you get a
label, right? You're an anti -vaxxer. You know,
that's a bad thing because, again, you're killing
grandma and everybody around you. But here's
the thing. I go to the airport. And to this day,
even when there's nothing going on, you still
see people wearing masks. Welcome to Austin.
It blows my mind. It's like, really? Have you
not awakened? No. Are you not looking? Are you
not listening? Are you not doing the research?
And there's a lot of people that are still swallowing
the blue pill. And I don't know anything to do
for them, but pray for them. It breaks my heart.
I'm not mad at them. I'm not upset. I'm just
sad. Sad for them. And there's a. The danger
is I hear so many people like, I'm never going
to forgive them. I'm never going to, what they,
they did this, they did that. I'm never going
to forgive my parents for not letting me come
over. This is where we, boy, excuse me. This
is where we really need faith and trust in the
Lord because the path we're on now with each
other is not, is not working out very well. That's,
we hit on this last show. When you played that
great clip of that young man saying, hey, if
you're saying we're this, then we're just going
to go ahead and be that. Yeah, it's sort of it's
we're fostering. And that that was a real wake
up call. I got a lot of feedback on that. Me
too. Me too. People say, man, that that was an
eye opener for me. And it was for me right there
on the show. I mean, I was like in real time
going, oh, OK, I don't want to be a part of this
problem. You know, if I'm going to bark about
something, I better have a solution ready. You
know what I mean? Not just a bark. And that seems
to be cultural right now. Everybody's barking,
but nobody's bringing real world solutions to
this. So this is where we come in as followers
of Jesus to say, okay, there may be other alternatives
than what's been presented. And maybe they could
be led by the Holy Spirit, by God himself. Maybe
the Bible says we have the mind of Christ. That
doesn't mean we're using it. It just says we
have it. It's up to us to lean in, right? Yeah,
exactly. To lean into that and to know that there
may be other options. We always think there's
either one or the other binary. There's always
more. And that that's the kind of the problem
with limited thinking and the narratives that
are out there right now. You either are for me
or you hate me. Right. You're not just for me
or nominal. You're just for me or you hate me.
There's no nominal. If you don't agree with me,
you hate me. You don't agree with my lifestyle
choices. You hate me. And that. That's off. That
is a total psyop. Cultural psyop. But we all
fall prey to it. We do. It's easy to fall in.
It's easy to say, oh, LGBTQ plus, the transgenders
are crazy. It is easy to do that. It's too easy.
It's too easy. And I think we've got to be careful.
And I think what you're saying is right. If it's
that easy, that should be a flag to us that something's
up. Right. Because I love what Victor Marks talks
about. I did a sermon a while back called, Let's
do difficult. Yes. And then Victor, his whole,
every one of his are about let's do difficult,
but he lives that life, right? And I think there's
a sense where if it's something's that easy,
you need to be wary of it. If it's that easy,
maybe that's not the right way to go. The path
of least resistance. We're not going to resolve
this, are we? No. We actually just bring up more
questions. I think so. It's part of processing,
isn't it? Yeah. And I don't think we're here
to bring answers. Nope. I think we're here to
ask questions. Hopefully that others are or not
just what others are asking, but maybe they need
to be asking. So maybe for themselves, maybe
we can just help out by bringing more questions
to the table. Yeah. And by the way, thank you
all for the the really nice feedback and from
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Beautiful. So I was listening to Hello Fred,
and we have SRN News now, which is running. It
kind of runs all over the place, and it'll run
at the top of the hour, more or less. We're working
on that. It's amazing any of this stuff works
at all. That's a miracle. And I heard this report
in this morning, this short, it's like 25 seconds,
in this morning's news briefing. I hadn't actually
planned on talking about it, but since it came
up and I was like, oh, wow, this is exactly what
you and I have been discussing for several weeks
now. We even discussed it on Living Up in a Down
World. But then, of course, I brought some other
additional stuff. Here it is. The language used
in the debate over artificial intelligence is
increasingly taking on religious overtones. Jeffrey
Hinton, the legendary programmer who helped develop
AI, refers to its potential as godlike. OpenAI
CEO Sam Altman has referred to his company's
technology as a magic intelligence in the sky,
while PayPal founder Peter Thiel has even argued
AI could bring about the Antichrist. Okay. That's
a lot right there. Since this was a news report,
I wanted to break this down with you for a second.
So first of all, the guy that they referenced,
the godfather of AI, I can kind of ignore him
because I have studied this for months and months
and months and months and months. There is no
I in artificial intelligence. There is no intelligence
in there. It's obvious. It's a parlor trick because
it's speaking to you and it sounds human. You're
just taking this in. And we've been programmed
to do this. We covered this before on Living
Up in a Down World. We've been programmed to
expect computers to talk to us. I mean, back
from Lost in Space, Danger Will Robinson, Knight
Rider, Kit, bring the car around. Even Batman
spoke to his car at a certain point. Hal. Hal.
Hal, exactly. Open the pod bay door. That's it.
That's it. All of this stuff. And, you know,
we've been right up to the movie Her, which was
just a few years ago. So we've been programmed
to accept this, but it's truly a very fast copy
-paste search engine machine. There is nothing
intelligent in it, but people are so easy to
fall into it. Now, I have some real Christian
talk about this, but since they brought up Peter
Thiel, who he used to be, he was one of the PayPal
founders with Elon Musk. They actually fell out.
Musk kind of got kicked out of PayPal. Shocker.
Shocker, right? Peter Thiel is an interesting
character, but he's seen as this incredible boogeyman
because of his company Palantir. And I'm just
debunking this on the fly because we don't have
to be worried about this. You don't have to be
worried about Palantir targeting you. I mean,
there's nothing that Palantir can do that's any
better than what Oracle hasn't been doing for
the past 20 years with all of your credit information.
There's nothing really special in it. But the
guy is a whack job. Listen to this. You would
prefer the human. Sorry, this is he was being
interviewed by the guy from The New York Times.
I think we actually played. I played this for
you at the house. OK, so you remember this. You
would prefer the human race to endure, right?
You're hesitating. Well, I. Yes. I don't know.
I would. By the way, I had to cut out a million
pauses because it's one of these difficult talkers
like because he's thinking on the floor. I would.
This is a long hesitation. There's so many questions.
Should the human race survive? Yes. OK, but but
I also would I also would like us to to radically
solve these problems. And and so, you know, it's
always I don't know, you know, yeah, transhumanism.
This is important. Here we go. Because if you
look at all the people who are funding transgenderism,
they all are into transhumanism. And if there's
an enemy, I want everyone to know what the enemy
looks like and how the enemy talks. And I'm not
saying Peter Thiel's a bad guy, but I'm pretty
sure he's got some influence coming from spiritual
realms that he may not be aware of. Is this...
You know, the ideal was this radical transformation
where your human natural body gets transformed
into an immortal body. And there's a critique
of, let's say, the trans people in a sexual context
or a transvestite is someone who changes. their
clothes and cross dresses. And a transsexual
is someone where you change your penis into a
vagina. And we can then debate how well those
surgeries work. But we want more transformation
than that. It's the critique is not that it's
weird and unnatural. It's man, it's so pathetically
little. And we want more than cross dressing
or changing your sex organs. We want you to be
able to change your heart and change your mind
and change your whole. Your whole body. And then
Orthodox Christianity, by the way, the critique
Orthodox Christianity has of this is these things
don't go far enough. Like the transhumanism is
just changing your body, but you also need to
transform your soul and you need to transform
your whole self. You see why I bring this clip?
He made a leap. He made quite the leap. He made
the leap. He jumped the gap. Mind the gap, right?
Remember that in Britain? Mind the gap. So he
jumped the gap. And that jump was a major light
years jump where he talked about moving from
changing the body to changing the heart. And
that's a Christian thing. But he missed a lot
of stuff in between. I'm reading about transhumanism,
philosophical scientific movement that advocates
for the use of current and emerging technologies
such as genetic engineering, artificial intelligence,
nanotechnology. in cryonics to enhance and augment
human capabilities. It's the bionic man and the
bionic woman, which we watched in the seventies.
And it's really, I believe that these people
like Teal and probably Musk and others, they
actually, and Sam Owen, they actually are afraid
of dying. They want themselves to live forever.
They are very afraid of dying. You just nailed
something right there because I'm not afraid
of dying because. I know where I will be. Not
only do I know it philosophically, I know it
theologically. I know it because of the word
of God in the Bible. But I also know it because
I have friends experientially who've stepped
over and looked beyond the veil, so to speak.
They've seen the other side, Steve Maxwell being
one. I've had several. And there's nothing to
fear. So for me to want my body to somehow...
continue to exist already know it's going to
just not in this form so talk about transhumanism
well let's you want to go take now yeah i'm sorry
finish your sentence no no i'm just saying it
i mean that's the essence of transhumanism isn't
like getting a bionic arm yeah you know nanotechnology
and all cryogenics all that it's it's literally
transforming changing your form into what the
bible calls a heavenly body and Ultimately, isn't
isn't everything marketing, public relations,
psyops, they all have death as the ultimate.
Well, if you don't do this, if you don't if you
don't if you don't go here on vacation, you know,
but even wouldn't you rather have a living daughter
than a dead son? This is the big the big psyop
that they've put onto onto parents. Right. And
Teal actually makes more of this jump in this
second clip. I generally agree with what I think
is your belief that religion should be a friend
to science and ideas of scientific progress.
I think any idea of divine providence has to
encompass the fact that we have progressed. Okay,
let's just stop there. How do you feel about
that? Friend, but not slave to, not subservient
to. There's a distinction there that I see. I
see that with government. I mentioned about meeting
with the mayor and saying, you have civil government
on your shoulders. I have spiritual government.
So it makes us partners. It makes us allies,
not adversaries. And he got that. I would say
the same thing here with science. I don't see
this as a, I think science proves God. It proves
the existence of things beyond our comprehension,
things that are, we would say, infinite as opposed
to finite. And so when I hear him say that, I'm
like, Well, kind of. I hear what you're saying,
but we're not subservient to it. That's the interesting.
So Dr. Jack Taylor, years ago, brilliant man,
wrote a book talking about heaven. And he was
talking about what is real reality. And he was
talking about the spiritual realm is the real
reality. Wow. That what we're here in right now
is a bad copy. It's like a fax of a fax of a
fax. Wow. Remember back when we did fax and you'd
fax something over and over and it starts to
lose its resolution. It loses its resolution.
Perfect word. Where it becomes fuzzy, you can't
even read it anymore. And when I was in the childcare
world, you know, as a case manager, we were faxing
stuff back and forth. to child protective services,
the state. And it would be crooked. Oh, my gosh.
And it would be blurry. By the fourth time, you
couldn't even make anything. By the fourth time,
it looks like something from the JFK files from
the 60s. Yeah, and blurry. CIA documents. Yeah,
we'll put that in the files. But same thing.
It's the same thing. I see that in what he's
saying. So we're getting a copy of a copy of
a copy. It's going to lose resolution. And fidelity.
I'm going to put a pin in that and we'll come
back to that just to finish this clip. And achieved
and done things that would have been unimaginable
to our ancestors. But it still also seems like,
yeah, the promise of Christianity in the end
is you get the perfected body and the perfected
soul through God's grace. And the person who
tries to do it on their own with a bunch of machines
is likely to end up as a dystopian character.
You want to comment on that? Tracking with him
at this point. New York Times, I know, I know.
I was like, okay, he's there. I'm in the lane
with you there. Let's articulate this. And you're
going to have a heretical form of Christianity
that says something else. I don't know. I think
the word nature does not occur once in the Old
Testament. Oops. Maybe not literally. Where's
he going with that? Because I don't know where
he can go with that. Well, it's 40 seconds. And
so, you know, if you, you know, and there is,
you know, there is a word in which, a sense in
which, the way I understand, you know, the Judeo
-Christian inspiration is, it is about transcending
nature. It is about overcoming things. And, you
know, the closest thing you can say. to nature
is that people are fallen and that that's the
natural thing in a christian sense is that um
you're messed up and that's true but um you know
there's some ways that uh you know with god's
help you are supposed to transcend that and overcome
that so i think it's justifying using transhumanist
technology to overcome being fallen That's what
it sounded like. And as opposed to the way we
overcome being fallen is to return to Eden through
a relationship with Jesus Christ, which gets
us to the Father. So he's bypassing that. Whether
he's intentionally doing it or not, he sounds
like he kind of knows a little bit about it,
but he doesn't know about it. You know what I
mean? He kind of knows, but he doesn't know.
And he's trying to say there may be other paths,
other ways to reach, I don't know, well, transhumanism,
to use their word. Interesting. So back to the
loss of resolution, a copy of a copy of a copy.
This is important to understand. Artificial intelligence,
we'll just call it AI just because that's what
everyone thinks it is. Right. It is literally
scraping up everything available through the
Internet. It has no knowledge of air, water,
touch. I have proof of this, by the way. I think
I mentioned this. I know I've told you, I don't
know if I said it on the air last time we were
together, but I was doing research for a sermon
and I was looking because it's a great search
tool. It's a great Bible search tool. I go, you
know, give me a Bible verse. This Bible verse
is about such and such. And it's great for that
kind of stuff. That's what I use it for. And,
and I, and I was, I threw a concept in there
and it pulled up and it, and now perplexity gives
you the references. So you're actually see where
they're pulling from. The number one reference
was from a sermon I'd preached. That's great.
Oh, well, okay. We're back to me. So, so that's
exactly what it does. It scrapes. Now it has
deals. And so they put that into what they call
a large language model, which is really just
a super big database that is highly optimized.
So it doesn't take forever to retrieve the information,
and it's really just retrieving information based
upon keywords. So whatever your search was, it
had certain keywords, and it went, ah, I have
that, and it happens to pull that from you. What's
interesting, if someone else pulled that up and
rewrote that sermon and put it back out on the
Internet, the AI scraping mechanism would pull
that in. And would now start to use that as a
copy of your original. Sounds like the Hegelian
dialectic. So Hegel came out with, you have a
thesis. Yep. You have an antithesis. And then
they form a new thesis. Yes. So that's what this
is doing. Part of it. The bad part is it. I'm
not saying it's all good. Yeah, no, it does.
I don't know if it necessarily creates a thesis
antithesis. Just says, oh, here's new information.
And then the next time someone uses that and
publishes that on the Internet or uses a version
of it, puts it in their own words. And already,
if you say to a I give me write me a sermon on
this, it'll write something that's already a
a a. Lower resolution of the original. I would
say an aberration or an amalgam. And so pulling
in new things. So it sounds fresh. But it's not.
It's a copy of a copy and it creates another
copy. And you see it with artwork already. All
the artwork from certain AI generators starts
to look the same. It looks orangish. Cartoonish.
Cartoonish. Because that's actually, I think
the third law of thermodynamics is entropy. If
you leave the car alone on the lawn, it's going
to rot away. So if you don't give it something
fresh, a fresh cone of paint, and so if you continue
to take the old pieces that are republished and
bring them back in, there's nothing left for
the machine to do but just create bad copies
of stuff that already exists. It gets worse and
worse and worse. And so they're desperately trying
to solve this by, A, not talking about it. That's
the number one. That's not a problem. But it
becomes a real problem when it comes to truth,
because just changing a word, and I'm pretty
sure you could tell me the scripture that God
said, you may not change any of my scriptures.
Oh, that would be the very end of Revelation.
Yeah, that's where it is. By the way, don't change
a word. So also in the Godcaster, I found this
program called Haven Today, Christian teach and
talk program. Very interesting. I started following
it. I'm listening. You're looking it up, aren't
you? Looking at Revelation for me. He's looking
it up in the Bible, ladies and gentlemen. He's
got his Bible already. It's all earmarked. Lots
of, and you go right to it. That's amazing. I'm
trying to. I warn everyone who hears the words
of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds
anything to them, God will add to him the plagues
described in this book. And if anyone takes words
away from this book of prophecy, God will take
away from him his share in the tree of life and
in the holy city, which are described in this
book. I mean, this is serious. That's pretty
clear. Pretty clear. So Haven today often talks
about technology from a biblical worldview and
has guests on. And he had this two people on
who are, I think, actually on the advisory committee
of some. Some biblical Christian. I should have
written it down. I'll put it in the show notes.
Some biblical Christian society of technology.
And unsurprisingly, they're pro -AI. And the
host is not really making a judgment one way
or the other. But the first guy, he's kind of
a sales guy for AI. And the second one, she's
a PhD. And we just got to talk about this because
when I heard this, I'm like, I got to talk to
Jimmy about this. Okay, here we go. And I found
all this discussion incredibly helpful. But then
we turned a corner and I was fascinated as we
talked about what it looks like to be proactive
from the standpoint of the church. And whether
that's the context of the local church or international
missions or some other expression of what the
body of Christ is doing in our world. The question
is, what? impact might AI have here? And the
next clip is a longer one with comments from
myself, Dr. K, and Daniel Whitenack, who kicks
off this section. I personally think that the
creative aspects of these models, including the
music side and the other portions of that could
be used in amazing ways by the church. But I
think we don't want to disconnect that from the
understanding of how what is generated is connected
to what the model has been fed on. And that kind
of motivates then those that are working in technology
and working in AI that are also followers of
Jesus to put together potentially models that
are fed by truth and aligned to truth. Companies
like Glue and others are doing really amazing
work in this area to align models to human flourishing
and feed them with truth, not just with kind
of what's scraped off the Internet. So I like
what he says. And actually I've, I've taken a
sales call from glue and it was just an AI guy
selling to the church. I mean, I'm not saying
he wasn't a believer, but he was their big deal
in, in many churches right now. They, they were
the, like the platinum big sponsor at NRB. Yeah.
Um, so I was kind of like, um, you're just selling
AI here. I'm not so sure you can really put guard.
They can't even put guardrails around this stuff
for it not to tell people like, yeah, it's a
good idea to drink, uh, you know, bromide or
anything, you know, it's, So I hear what he's
saying, but we know that these large language
models, they're never going to spit back. It's
going to be a copy, and it's never going to be
verbatim truth. Right. And so I was listening
to this, and I'm like, oh, okay. Well, he made
the comment what you feed into it. Yes, but you
have to remember that it takes new input from
the old output. So it would be the same as copying
your Bible over and over and over and over again.
At a certain point, you won't know what that
word is. Right. And it may be a very critical
word. Remember the old telegram game? Yes. You
start at the beginning. By the third person,
it's off. It's already different. It's off the
rails. And that sounds simplistic, but really
we have that happening. You found that out when
you were doing some coding. Oh, it would start
down a wrong path. And you couldn't bring it
back. You couldn't correct it. Great analogy,
because I am not really a programmer. So let's
say I'm not really a Christian yet. And so not
being a programmer, I mean, the great thing about
software is if you do it wrong, it just doesn't
work. But I didn't know how to tell it that it
was wrong. And I had to start over. It took me
three months to do something a programmer could
have done in three days. It was very frustrating
and I needed to get to the end of it. But just
imagine that happening now with scripture or
biblical teaching. So I'm concerned about that.
So I use perplexity a lot. I'll get historical
context. But because I've gone to school, I've
got a master's degree in this. I've got a baseline.
I'd say. And for the kinds of questions, it depends
on what you're asking to do. And for me, I've
been able to make it work for me. Also know where
it's pulling from. So I'm checking that as well.
But I can see how you could literally get off
the rails on this and it could take you down
a track and it doesn't know right from wrong.
It doesn't know truth from falsehood. It's pulling
from so many sources at lightning speed and anything
could come into that. And that's where I'm concerned
about. When Christians are just running, thinking
this is the greatest thing ever. And it doesn't
take much to get off the rails. Just read the
New Testament. Every letter in the Bible was
corrective in nature of heresy. Every one of
them. You got to explain that to me. Well, Book
of Galatians, for example, the Judaizers, they
were trying to mix Christianity, but pull in
the Old Testament Judaism. And they were blending
it. Right. Where, yes, you now have to be circumcised,
young Timothy. Yeah. Sorry. You're 25, but yeah,
whip it out. I mean, here it was. It was that
whole scary stuff. I mean, he did it. I mean,
but they were demanding that you had to follow
old covenant 613 laws. Right. And yet you were
free in Christ. And that's why Paul said in Galatians
5, it was for freedom that Christ sets you free.
Don't return back to slavery under the old law.
Now, we think that means I'm just freeing Jesus
to do anything I want. No, that's not what Paul
was talking about. He was talking about the Judaizers,
and he was correcting them to say you cannot
subjugate people who are free in Christ under
the old covenant. This is a new covenant. We
quote that out of context a lot. It's all over
the place. But if you don't know that stuff.
Yeah, you can get off the rails. You're jumping
off on AI and here you go. So here's this lady's
a PhD. She's anonymous. She calls herself Dr.
K. So she's anonymous with her comments here.
I can't remember the reason, but she gets too
much hate mail or whatever. Listen to her. These
models are trained on our data. They are going
to have and see footprints of our fallenness,
but also our creativity and also some of our
really amazing aspects. And what is so what is
just to me so fascinating about these large language
models or LLMs is they are able to see within
the training data certain. patterns and, and
trends that we might, because in that sense,
you know, they can see so much more than we can
see just in one setting that is really powerful
and really, really reflects some of the best
of our creativity as well. And I think that we
need to think about that and not see it. And
Daniel said it earlier, this all falls within
God's economy. He's not surprised by this at
all. In fact, he's saying, you know, Hey, this
next digital land, landscape. Let's share my
truth in it. Right. And so that's the great news
about this. And so, yeah, I totally agree with
Daniel on that. Yeah. See, this is where I'm
like, no, I mean, it's a tough one because I
see where she's going. It's what Peter Thiel
is saying too, in a way. But we're bypassing
what we already know to be true is that we have
the mind of Christ. The scripture is very clear
about that. We have the person of the Holy Spirit.
The one who created this whole ball of wax on
the inside of us. So why do I need to depend
on a digital friend? And she talks about what
we put into it. Well, how many flavors are there
of Christianity? Exactly. So what flavor are
you putting in there? Are you putting in a very
liberal flavor that's all good with transgender
and all good with homosexual pastors? What flavor
are you putting? So it's like buying a translation
of the Bible. There's hundreds of these. You
know, I was talking to Pastor Darren Tyler from
Conduit in Franklin, Tennessee. Solid. And he
was talking about other churches. He said, the
way I see it is. So I think they're non -denominational.
They are. There's a Baptist church here. There's
all these different flavors. He said, and God
is using those pastors and those churches to
get his word to them in the way they need to
hear it, which I thought was kind of a good way.
That's a good assessment. But when you put everything
into a large language model and doesn't say King
James Version, you don't know what you're getting.
And you mix those two up, and that could be kind
of weird. So what I do when I actually use AI
for anything, I'll say, I'll say, what's a good
title for an American evangelical non -denominational
church? So it depends on the prompts that you
put in. And if you don't know what you're prompting
and you don't know what you're looking for, it
will give you something. And it may sound good.
It's amazing. This reminds me of, you know, gosh,
15, 20 years ago when a lot of new age people
were coming out and saying. Hey, I saw angels
and this angel spoke to me. So I wrote a book
about it and Christians were picking this book
up and going, this is amazing. Turned out it
was completely heretical and they were not, it
was not biblically based at all, but because
it tickled something in them, they enjoyed it.
And they, they actually, it's almost like they
took it as a template and put it over their Christian
faith and added it to, but it wasn't biblical
at all. So this is where. Where I come back to
being conservative, I come back to saying, let's
get back to this. Bring out the bring out the
book and we better put it through this lens.
And if it doesn't fit, I don't care how cool
it is or how, you know, whiz bang it is and all
the bells and whistles it is. If it doesn't if
it's not in alignment, we have to walk away.
And this is I think what's happening here because.
Because of Godcaster, I'm talking to a lot of
churches, pastors, radio stations. And in general,
the church, as a generalization, feels they came
to the Internet late. And they weren't using
it as early and as soon as they could have or
would have. They probably said the Internet's
the devil. I'm sure we had a lot of that going
on. Of course. And so now there's this feeling
of we're not going to we're not going to be last
on this hashtag FOMO. It's exactly what you're
missing out. And and this final clip kind of
this is this is the real danger, I think. And
and just to push it maybe a little bit further,
David, there are people on the face of the earth
that have. Interacted with a chat bot, not a
human, have interacted around topics related
to Christianity, have read scripture in that
chat bot, have decided to make a decision to
follow Jesus and have gone from that chat bot
experience, gotten plugged into a church and
are participating in a church community as a
believer. And so whether you want to say, well,
did the chat bot. you know, witness and is evangelism
and that sort of thing. There's things to wrestle
with there. But I think the point is, you know,
I personally speaking, I probably decided to
follow Jesus because I was terrified of terrified
of hell, not necessarily because I had a great.
well -aligned love of of the trinity and all
the right motivations right but thankfully god
meets us where we're at and he can use a variety
of means and he doesn't expect us to have the
right motivations sure that's right and that's
a really good point i'm glad you phrased it that
way and if we rewound the clock several hundred
years we might have said you know did the printing
press lead someone to christ and you know the
word of god you know is is used by the spirit
of god I don't know, man. It doesn't feel good
to me. It feels like we're trying to work this
into the bigger framework. To justify it. And
what we would call the sovereignty of God. Sovereignty
of God, this being that God's going to get it
done one way or the other. And now that this
has come along, it appears to be a new technology.
It's really not. But it appears to be new, right?
And so, you know, it's very... There's always
going to be a broad spectrum of acceptance and
non -acceptance, and it's going to land different.
Whether you're listening to that podcast or this
news piece or this article, anything that comes
up, you're going to get a wide spectrum of consent,
dissent. I mean, you're going to see it all.
And they're on the assent side of going, hey,
this could be a good thing. This chat box could
have led somebody to Jesus. Hey, you know, a
donkey spoke up to Balaam, you know, in the Old
Testament. I mean, I got to get this done three
times. All I have is a donkey and Balaam is not
listening. So I'm going to get it. So we know
God can use anything. Right. I mean, really in
the sovereignty of God. But I think everybody
you nailed it. The FOMO thing. I mean, we're
fear of missing out. So we become early adopters
and sometimes we rush in. Before we let something
sit. I mean, I've gotten to where, and I think
you've taught me this, is don't just update your
phone because it's telling you to. Man, I learned
that the hard way on the Roadcaster. Whoops.
Whoa. Wait a little bit. Don't update right before
you're going to do a podcast. All of a sudden,
nothing works. Wait a little bit until it's shaking
out. I'm learning to rest. I'm learning to be
slower in these things. Again, don't get in a
hurry, right? We talked about that song from
War Reagan. I hear what they're doing. They're
trying. I hear the justification, I guess, is
what I'm saying. I hear that they're trying to
do a cyclical reasoning where they're trying
to come back to. It's OK because it's OK because.
But here's what I know about the devil. He always
overshoots, always overplays. He will he will
give up a little ground to take a lot more. Right.
So if he can get a few. Hey, OK. A few people
gave their life to Jesus because. But look at
the bigger thing. He's smart that way. He's strategic.
He's a schemer. Can't he also use this technology?
Exactly. Well, yeah, that goes for just about
anything, doesn't it? Yeah. Rock music, rock
worship. I mean, you know, all of it. It's true.
Yeah. When I just look at, because I study this
over and over again, I don't see a lot of, wow,
I found Jesus because of the chat bot. I see
a lot of. Oh, I'm actually supernatural, the
chatbot says. I mean, there's some stories. I'm
okay now. Yeah. Everyone's looking for meaning,
and the chatbot just feels like, how can the
fruit of the spirit come from that, from a copy
machine? Go talk to the Xerox machine. It's the
same thing. It's the same thing. Don't we all?
Isn't it human nature to want to believe there's
something beyond us? See Joe Rogan. And it can
be digital. It can be digital. Joe's like a lot
of different things. But it could be anything.
And so we get this thing that's at our fingertips
and easily acceptable. And for the most part,
free. Nothing's really free. But it feels free
in the moment. Until they create that need. And
then it suddenly costs something to get what
you were getting for free. But right. We know
how that works. But because we want to believe.
That there's the golden key just beyond. It's
like the carrot that's just out in front. And
that's what the enemy uses to take us along.
The answer that you've been looking for. And
we really don't even know the question. Isn't
it true? Yes. But we all feel like I think there's
this inert thing where we think there's something
just beyond. So it keeps us constantly striving
for something else. And AI comes along and it
seems to have. makes these promises. But who
are you listening to that are making the promises?
The guys from the WEF or the guys from, you don't
know. I mean, it's some wild stuff out there.
And it's, it's like, it feels like it's a shortcut.
Like, well, that's what it feels like, you know,
whereas I remember when Tina was coming to church
and I was watching online and I was coming. I
was coming to Jesus. I was coming along. But
it wasn't until I said, brother, I'll see you
tomorrow morning at church. Yeah, I remember
that. That's when it started. You need the human
interaction. You need to be in the ecclesia.
You need to be a part of the group. Yeah, you
need the good, but you also need the hard. Yes.
Doing difficult creates something. There it is.
Soft things create soft men. I mean, soft times
create soft men, but hard times create strong
men. And so there's this ebb and flow and this
dynamic that happens when you're having to work
for something. I remember I wanted white -lettered
tires for my 69 Chevelle Supersport. He had the
striped tires, you know, white walls. I'm like,
Dad, you don't have white walls on a muscle car.
But they came with that. So he was like, you
know, I mean, I'm a freshman in high school.
And he's like, you don't have enough money to
buy those tires. I waited and I waited and I
waited. And when I finally got those tires out,
firestones, I'll never forget. He'd come driving
my car down the road because he had the tires
put on. And I saw him. I was like, all that weight,
all that scraping together, allowance, and a
little bit of what I was able to make at the
gas local Texaco and post Texas, you know, pouring
my little bit into it. The satisfaction I had
when I finally gained what I had worked for,
it made it all the more amazing. This is, this
is before there were credit cards, before there
was gratification. Yep. And this is what I, so
if I can sit behind the keyboard and answer all
the deep philosophical and theological questions
of life through a chat bot. Do AI. Oh, my God.
How easy is that? Wouldn't it be great to work
for anything? You want to be fantastic? I'm just
going to ask a question and get an answer for
everything. Got to read all those hard words.
Got to look at all that individual language.
Like, what does it actually mean there? This
comes back to let's do difficult. Every time
Annette gets me up. to go walk at seven o 'clock
in the morning, a power walk. I'm thinking let's
do difficult. I got to do difficult. I have to,
this is going to be good for me. And you know
what? I actually had to admit to a debt recently,
like yesterday. okay, this is working. I feel
much better. Yeah. I've got better stamina, even
preaching. I feel good on Sunday afternoons where
before I was like, I didn't get nap. You walk
on Sunday mornings as well or no, no, I just
said, you got to get up soon. We were off on
Saturday, Sunday, but we walked during the week,
but I'm realizing it's why? Because it's hard.
Yeah. Cause it takes effort and discipline and
a choice and putting other things aside because
this is important. Well, I hope, I hope people
got something out of this. Me too. It's too difficult.
I love talking with you about this stuff, which
is kind of the reason we joined the podcast.
I agree. I love it. So we can really get down
to the bottom of these things. You're traveling?
You're going? I'll be in Dallas next week. McKinney,
actually, up in the Dallas -Fort Worth Metroplex.
I'm speaking at a PAC. And I don't even know
how the guy found out who I was, but he invited
me to come out. From a pastor and Christian perspective,
explain why should a Christian be involved in
politics? That's an easy answer. That's a loaded
one. Are you on a panel or are you doing that?
I'm on a panel. And Steve Maxwell, I don't know
the other guys, but Steve Maxwell, somehow, Steve
shows up everywhere. Him and Rick Green. You
can be on the other end of the world and you
run into him in an airport. Hey, guys, how you
doing? I didn't know we were speaking together.
I'm on my way. That's Steve. So Steve's going
to be there as well. I'm looking forward to seeing
him. But, you know, I'm excited. I'm excited
about it because I love being able to speak outside
the four walls of the church. I love what I do
as a pastor. It's the joy of my life. It shows,
brother. It shows. I get to do this. You do get
to do this for sure. But when I get to do it
outside the walls in different contexts, whether
it's the carnivore health world, which I love
doing that, or it's speaking into culture outside
of the pulpit. I love doing that. I'm just so
thankful I get to do it. I get to do it. And
I'm thankful I get to do this with you, brother.
As a podcaster, this is a dream. This is fun.
And by the way, happy birthday from last week.
Oh, thank you. You leveled up, brother. Yes,
you can't bring up the hoodie because Tina said,
that's show content for Curry and the Keeper.
You can't be talking about that. Mom's the word.
I see it, but I'm not saying a word about it.
You can't say anything. One of your 30 hoodies.
It's now 28 because I had to give some up. But
I'm not supposed to talk about that. Hey, as
we land on the plane, can I give a scripture,
man? Yeah, please. I think I shared this last
week, but it's right in front of me. And it's
just so apropos to what we're talking about.
And again, looking at the wisdom of scripture
that supersedes AI and all these things, just
in the simplicity of it. Listen to this. For
there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed
and nothing concealed. that will not be known
or brought out into the open. That's Luke 8,
17. Season of reveal, man. Season of reveal.
You nailed it. You brought the, I don't know
where you got that, the Holy Spirit. That was
a download on one of your walks with people.
It was, it was. But that has stuck with me. And
every time I see something right now, of course,
now we're watching culture through these grids,
right? These lens. And I think season of reveal.
By the way, I'm really enjoying Daniel Cohen.
You mentioned bring up. Yeah, I think folks should
check that out. Daniel Cohen show. It's on the
Real Life Network. You can get that as an app.
You can get it on YouTube. But check out the
Daniel Cohen show. He is doing some really neat
things on Israel coming from someone who's an
American, but is also Jewish heritage. So he's
he's messianic. So he's got he's. I guess you'd
say straddling the barbed wire fence. He's on
both sides, and yet he brings a real good perspective
to what's going on with Hamas and Gaza and all
the things that are happening there. I would
highly recommend that. Check it out. All right,
brother. Thank you so much, as always. And have
safe travels. Thank you, brother. And travel
favor. Pray for us. It's going to be a fun trip.
Exactly. We get to do this. We'll see you next
time, everybody.