WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.819 Alyx is going to come on from Collectors MD um 00:00:02.819 --> 00:00:05.000 let me let me do a couple let me just get situated 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:09.900 here uh Orlando and Dan were nice enough to ask 00:00:09.900 --> 00:00:11.880 some questions and you know Collectors MD and 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:14.060 Alyx i he's not going to shy away he wants to 00:00:14.060 --> 00:00:17.440 answer Alyx how you doing today Jason what's 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:19.539 up man good to see you again hey thanks for coming 00:00:19.539 --> 00:00:21.600 back i know you took some you took some heat 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:24.339 last time you were here it's all good it's par 00:00:24.339 --> 00:00:27.620 for the course and you know what Jason like i 00:00:27.620 --> 00:00:31.660 told you if we could reach just one person in 00:00:31.660 --> 00:00:33.600 this group, this live tonight, that needs our 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:37.219 support, needs our help. That is, that makes 00:00:37.219 --> 00:00:39.700 this all worth it. Even through, you know, a 00:00:39.700 --> 00:00:43.679 lot of the, the backlash and the naysayers. I'm 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:46.179 glad you can answer to him because Dan, I'm more 00:00:46.179 --> 00:00:48.679 than happy. And I'm happy you can. And I'm very 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:50.259 interested to hear the answers and the answers 00:00:50.259 --> 00:00:52.700 I've heard offline seem pretty valid and reasonable. 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:54.399 So I don't think I have anything to shy away 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:56.079 from. Maybe we'll find out. I don't know, but 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:59.789 the questions they asked were, Fair. Let's say 00:00:59.789 --> 00:01:02.009 that I think they're fair questions. So I'm going 00:01:02.009 --> 00:01:04.090 to jump right to it a little long. And these 00:01:04.090 --> 00:01:06.670 first ones are from Dan. And so Collectors MD 00:01:06.670 --> 00:01:08.650 lists the following breaking platforms as partner. 00:01:09.370 --> 00:01:11.870 CardsHQ, Sports Cards Nonsense, Rippinwax, RipHamiltonRips. 00:01:11.950 --> 00:01:15.189 Please explain how it's beneficial for Collectors MD 00:01:15.189 --> 00:01:19.049 to partner with breakers and purported influencers 00:01:19.049 --> 00:01:22.310 who promote gambling as a major aspect of their 00:01:22.310 --> 00:01:24.989 business. And I'm sure you've thought about this, 00:01:25.069 --> 00:01:27.569 I'm sure. So there had to be some thought prior. 00:01:27.810 --> 00:01:29.560 So go ahead and tell us. as you're thinking here 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:32.319 yeah and you said Orlando and who was the other 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:35.560 so Dan's Vintage Baseball right right right i 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:38.519 remember Dan yeah no these that's totally a fair 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:41.620 question very valid um we have an initiative 00:01:41.620 --> 00:01:44.980 called Rip Responsibly and so when people see 00:01:44.980 --> 00:01:47.140 Collectors MD partnering with hobby brands through 00:01:47.140 --> 00:01:49.819 this Rip Responsibly initiative it's totally 00:01:49.819 --> 00:01:52.260 fair to ask why you know why are we partnering 00:01:52.260 --> 00:01:56.260 with jeff wilson and and cards hq and and chris 00:01:56.260 --> 00:01:59.019 from rip and wax and folks that you know, at 00:01:59.019 --> 00:02:02.000 times can be polarizing. And so on the surface, 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:05.140 it can look counterintuitive to work alongside 00:02:05.140 --> 00:02:10.199 those very spaces where the harm is occurring. 00:02:10.419 --> 00:02:13.379 But that question only makes sense if harm reduction 00:02:13.379 --> 00:02:16.099 is viewed as something that happens after the 00:02:16.099 --> 00:02:19.800 fact, instead of where risk actually lives. And 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.500 so the reality is simple. We can't make meaningful 00:02:22.500 --> 00:02:25.830 change from the outside looking in. Harm in this 00:02:25.830 --> 00:02:28.830 hobby doesn't happen in isolation or on the margins. 00:02:28.909 --> 00:02:32.009 It happens at the center where visibility is 00:02:32.009 --> 00:02:33.629 the highest, where the excitement is amplified, 00:02:33.930 --> 00:02:36.909 where the money is being thrown around, where 00:02:36.909 --> 00:02:40.430 the urgency is normalized. If we want to support 00:02:40.430 --> 00:02:44.449 people effectively, we have to present in those 00:02:44.449 --> 00:02:46.969 types of environments, right? We can't be sitting 00:02:46.969 --> 00:02:49.629 on the sidelines, you know, just trying to make 00:02:49.629 --> 00:02:51.830 a bunch of noise. We have to be present inside 00:02:51.830 --> 00:02:55.590 of those environments. But, you know, was that 00:02:55.590 --> 00:02:58.409 always your was that always your thought or did 00:02:58.409 --> 00:03:01.490 that kind of spur on as you went? Just, you know, 00:03:01.490 --> 00:03:03.969 just out of curiosity. Yeah, I mean, it definitely 00:03:03.969 --> 00:03:07.330 happened organically. It wasn't like the first. 00:03:09.500 --> 00:03:12.659 you know, goal when I started Collectors MD, really 00:03:12.659 --> 00:03:14.939 the - But maybe something you realized, I was 00:03:14.939 --> 00:03:16.860 curious, like, did you realize right away you 00:03:16.860 --> 00:03:18.400 kind of would have to go with these or is that 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:20.539 something as you started with the business, you 00:03:20.539 --> 00:03:22.800 realized, oh, okay, yeah, this is gonna have 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:26.180 to be how I get visible. It wasn't, it's not 00:03:26.180 --> 00:03:29.620 a matter of visibility. It's a matter of we are 00:03:29.620 --> 00:03:35.319 reaching individuals who are experiencing crisis 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.330 right now. And that crisis is happening inside 00:03:38.330 --> 00:03:41.009 of these environments. And right now, inside 00:03:41.009 --> 00:03:43.789 of those environments, there is no messaging. 00:03:44.110 --> 00:03:46.210 There are no disclaimers. There are no warning 00:03:46.210 --> 00:03:48.669 signs. There are no guardrails. And so we're 00:03:48.669 --> 00:03:51.310 proactively partnering with these brands, with 00:03:51.310 --> 00:03:55.169 these hobby brands, to embed, to integrate the 00:03:55.169 --> 00:03:57.490 responsible collecting messaging where it can 00:03:57.490 --> 00:04:00.069 actually interrupt unhealthy patterns in real 00:04:00.069 --> 00:04:02.810 time. That's why Collectors MD partners with these 00:04:02.810 --> 00:04:05.729 brands, these platforms, these creators through 00:04:05.729 --> 00:04:08.789 Rip Responsibly. These partnerships aren't intended 00:04:08.789 --> 00:04:12.590 to be endorsements or shields or PR exercises. 00:04:12.949 --> 00:04:16.069 They're access points. They allow us to introduce 00:04:16.069 --> 00:04:19.110 pause, awareness, and education exactly where 00:04:19.110 --> 00:04:23.910 the moments of impulse are happening, right? 00:04:24.089 --> 00:04:27.069 I mean, it already exists in adjacent industries, 00:04:27.250 --> 00:04:29.290 right? Like one of our partners, 800 Gambler. 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:31.639 They work directly with casinos, sportsbooks, 00:04:31.660 --> 00:04:34.000 and gaming operators as part of their corporate 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.500 responsibility efforts. Now, I don't know. The 00:04:36.500 --> 00:04:38.120 problem is I don't know those companies. I don't 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.160 know what their insides look like. And we have 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.439 you here, but I don't know the ins and outs of 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.620 that industry or those kind of companies. And 00:04:46.620 --> 00:04:48.819 I think a skeptic who might know, I don't know, 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:50.800 and I'm talking out of my ass here, but I just 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:52.139 don't know those companies. I don't know what 00:04:52.139 --> 00:04:53.600 their motivation is. I know what yours are because 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:57.870 you're coming on and telling me. You know, some 00:04:57.870 --> 00:04:59.910 people think I feel legit. I'm going to move 00:04:59.910 --> 00:05:02.149 to question two. Jeff Wilson has appeared on 00:05:02.149 --> 00:05:03.970 multiple videos and streams with Alyx, given 00:05:03.970 --> 00:05:05.769 that Wilson has named his breaking room after 00:05:05.769 --> 00:05:08.829 arena club, arguably the most insidious Dan gambling 00:05:08.829 --> 00:05:10.949 app in the hobby. Great word. What kind of message 00:05:10.949 --> 00:05:12.589 does it send to the people who ask collectors 00:05:12.589 --> 00:05:15.029 MD for help with their addictions do align with 00:05:15.029 --> 00:05:17.589 Wilson and arena club? And I think it's a similar 00:05:17.589 --> 00:05:20.069 answer that you just gave, but ties to the exact 00:05:20.069 --> 00:05:23.870 same thing. Rip Responsibly operates on the same 00:05:23.870 --> 00:05:26.199 principle. And I know you said you don't know 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:28.420 the ins and outs of the casinos and the sports 00:05:28.420 --> 00:05:31.439 books, and that's not your... It's hard to trust 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:34.420 some of that stuff. And maybe that's why you 00:05:34.420 --> 00:05:37.439 find it, you know, you're between a rock and 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:39.519 a hard place because sometimes it's just hard 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:43.959 to know what's up. Yeah, no, I see the chat going 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:45.839 off. I see people saying trading card anonymous 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:49.819 bullshit is crazy. Yeah, in theory, it is crazy. 00:05:49.899 --> 00:05:52.879 But when these systems are designed to be completely 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:57.420 frictionless, To lure people in, you know, to 00:05:57.420 --> 00:06:01.639 to exploit young people who are uneducated and 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:04.120 unaware of the harm and the risk associated it 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:07.139 associated with it and disguising it as a childhood 00:06:07.139 --> 00:06:10.660 hobby with sports cards and Pokemon cards. That's 00:06:10.660 --> 00:06:13.939 the reality of it. And so, you know, we can publish 00:06:13.939 --> 00:06:16.800 content. We can host support groups. We can advocate 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:20.579 for reform publicly. And we do. But if the message 00:06:20.579 --> 00:06:22.939 never reaches people that are inside the experience, 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:25.680 it arrives too late. So partnering with these 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.180 brands, partnering with Jeff Wilson allows harm 00:06:28.180 --> 00:06:30.519 reduction to exist within the flow of the hobby, 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.399 not just in hindsight. These collaborations, 00:06:33.819 --> 00:06:36.699 these partnerships are about shared accountability, 00:06:36.980 --> 00:06:40.560 not compromise, right? Brands that engage are 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.540 choosing to acknowledge that collecting can be 00:06:43.540 --> 00:06:46.379 joyful and risky at the same time. And that long 00:06:46.379 --> 00:06:48.420 -term community health matters more than the 00:06:48.420 --> 00:06:50.740 short-term momentum. You don't reduce harm by 00:06:50.740 --> 00:06:52.959 standing outside the room. You reduce it by showing 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.839 up responsibly inside of it. And so that's why 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.899 Rip Responsibly exists. That's why we're partnering 00:06:58.899 --> 00:07:02.040 with these brands. Again, Dan asked five questions 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:04.120 and I'm going to give him his question. I think 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:05.959 I went to them for a reason because they were 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.879 the skeptic. They got age on us. They have wisdom. 00:07:08.980 --> 00:07:11.279 They have experience. So their questions are 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.040 valid. Is Collectors MD a registered 501c3 institution? 00:07:14.220 --> 00:07:18.779 And if not, why not? We touched on this last 00:07:18.779 --> 00:07:20.920 time. No, I feel like he had this exact same 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:22.699 question last time. Yeah, give him 30 seconds 00:07:22.699 --> 00:07:24.079 and then we can move on. It doesn't have to be 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:29.040 a long. Yeah, so we're set up as an LLC, not 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:32.360 a 501c3, very intentionally, right? It's not 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:36.920 to maximize profit, but to move the speed of 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:40.879 the problem in the direction that it needs to. 00:07:40.980 --> 00:07:44.660 The space we operate in sits between culture, 00:07:44.899 --> 00:07:48.019 technology, media, public health, that means 00:07:48.019 --> 00:07:51.439 we need to operate quickly and efficiently. We 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:53.620 need flexibility to be able to build partnerships 00:07:53.620 --> 00:07:56.939 and create content and pilot programs and license 00:07:56.939 --> 00:07:59.720 IP and collaborate with platforms and respond 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:02.600 quickly as the hobby evolves. So an LLC gives 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:05.000 us that ability to do that without all of the 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.800 friction and the delays and the constraints that 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:10.240 often come with nonprofit structures. There's 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:12.399 just so much red tape when it comes to trying 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:15.370 to set up a nonprofit. And so, yeah, I mean, 00:08:15.370 --> 00:08:17.610 it just lets us engage directly with companies, 00:08:17.629 --> 00:08:21.089 platforms and creators, including ones that nonprofits 00:08:21.089 --> 00:08:24.610 often can't or won't touch while still holding 00:08:24.610 --> 00:08:26.769 clear values around, you know, the responsibility, 00:08:26.990 --> 00:08:30.050 the transparency and the harm reduction. So we 00:08:30.050 --> 00:08:32.389 there are talks we are talking about potentially 00:08:32.389 --> 00:08:39.889 creating a 501 C3 branch and working with, you 00:08:39.889 --> 00:08:45.169 know, nonprofits and. so that we can have access 00:08:45.169 --> 00:08:48.529 to things like state funded grants and, you know, 00:08:48.529 --> 00:08:50.710 work within those lanes. But right now with the 00:08:50.710 --> 00:08:53.990 - You're not wrong. What's that? No, no, you're 00:08:53.990 --> 00:08:55.970 giving great answers. You're at least answering 00:08:55.970 --> 00:08:57.769 the questions. You said he's putting me to sleep, 00:08:57.850 --> 00:08:59.710 but you're answering the questions. Question 00:08:59.710 --> 00:09:02.409 four, I guess, does Collectors MD believe in transparency 00:09:02.409 --> 00:09:04.669 enough to make available their annual reports 00:09:04.669 --> 00:09:07.049 to select members of the hobby? This is from 00:09:07.049 --> 00:09:10.509 Dan. Yeah, we haven't made really any money yet. 00:09:11.789 --> 00:09:13.990 I could tell you exactly how much money we've 00:09:13.990 --> 00:09:16.269 made so far. But I guess the answer to this question 00:09:16.269 --> 00:09:20.990 would be no or yes. Yeah. I mean, yeah. That'll 00:09:20.990 --> 00:09:25.429 make them happy to hear. The whole concept is 00:09:25.429 --> 00:09:30.909 we're fully transparent. We want to ensure that 00:09:30.909 --> 00:09:34.629 our community members fully trust us because 00:09:34.629 --> 00:09:38.909 they're trusting us with their livelihoods, their 00:09:38.909 --> 00:09:44.120 mental health. This isn't something to laugh 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:46.500 at or, you know, to joke around about. Like, 00:09:46.500 --> 00:09:48.700 there are people who join our weekly meetings 00:09:48.700 --> 00:09:52.240 who are on, like, the brink of, you know, like, 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:54.600 they don't know. Yeah, I understand what addiction 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:57.379 can do. It's serious. It's really serious. I 00:09:57.379 --> 00:09:59.779 have something I want to, my own, you know, I 00:09:59.779 --> 00:10:01.740 have my own thing I want to mention, and it leans 00:10:01.740 --> 00:10:04.460 more towards that. But does Alice collect a salary 00:10:04.460 --> 00:10:06.019 from Collectors MD? Now, you say you don't make 00:10:06.019 --> 00:10:08.159 much on the company, but these are his questions. 00:10:09.490 --> 00:10:12.590 ideally one day i will but no not right now hey 00:10:12.590 --> 00:10:14.970 now i haven't paid myself a dollar interesting 00:10:14.970 --> 00:10:18.029 uh okay orlando i think i believe had two or 00:10:18.029 --> 00:10:21.149 three questions uh and my goodness we're getting 00:10:21.149 --> 00:10:27.299 full down below holy shit no way bro you kidding 00:10:27.299 --> 00:10:30.059 me uh oh wow this is insane how can you reach 00:10:30.059 --> 00:10:32.259 or treat people with i told Alyx i wouldn't bring 00:10:32.259 --> 00:10:33.700 anyone on this will be disrespectful because 00:10:33.700 --> 00:10:36.240 i throw you on make sure we're being polite how 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:37.720 can you reach or treat people with the breaking 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:39.620 gambling addiction before they hit rock bottom 00:10:39.620 --> 00:10:43.399 um i'm i'm a little distracted by the comments 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.279 which is the one that uh that you were just addressing 00:10:46.830 --> 00:10:49.230 No, I was addressing this guy. I've never talked 00:10:49.230 --> 00:10:52.370 to Rob. Oh, no, no. Rob is great. I'm so glad 00:10:52.370 --> 00:10:54.330 he joined. He's one of our community members 00:10:54.330 --> 00:10:56.690 now. Hey, Rob, good meeting you, man. You're 00:10:56.690 --> 00:10:58.970 one of the only guys doing the right thing over 00:10:58.970 --> 00:11:01.470 there. So, yeah, bro, good finally meeting you. 00:11:01.769 --> 00:11:06.789 You know what? Before we continue, can we let 00:11:06.789 --> 00:11:11.450 Rob just share a few words? Sure. When he mentioned, 00:11:11.509 --> 00:11:14.070 I just couldn't hear him very well. How about 00:11:14.070 --> 00:11:16.549 now? A little better. Yeah, yeah. All right. 00:11:17.230 --> 00:11:20.870 Yeah, the comments are actually very concerning. 00:11:21.909 --> 00:11:25.649 I mean, you have quite a following and the guys 00:11:25.649 --> 00:11:27.830 down there, they really don't know what they're 00:11:27.830 --> 00:11:32.950 talking about. So I'm just here to really just 00:11:32.950 --> 00:11:38.830 not preach what he's putting out there. But until 00:11:38.830 --> 00:11:41.590 you actually sit in there with the meeting and 00:11:41.590 --> 00:11:43.980 you hear some of these stories. I don't know 00:11:43.980 --> 00:11:48.059 how much these guys are capitalizing on their 00:11:48.059 --> 00:11:53.399 collecting, but the purpose out there is very 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:56.759 genuine. I don't know who's out there that is 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:01.360 very, man, I'm not going to lie, to be honest 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:03.679 with you. No, you're doing fine. You're doing 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:06.779 fine. So you do believe in what Alyx is doing 00:12:06.779 --> 00:12:10.029 here. 100%. And you're a pretty, you know, you 00:12:10.029 --> 00:12:12.210 lean pretty skeptical and you see what's going 00:12:12.210 --> 00:12:15.549 on. So, you know, that, and that's just, that's 00:12:15.549 --> 00:12:19.009 just how I am. I don't know. I, I, I get, I get 00:12:19.009 --> 00:12:21.129 messages all the time when I put out a video 00:12:21.129 --> 00:12:24.190 for Alyx, just whether it's from a breaker or 00:12:24.190 --> 00:12:26.970 it's just from a random collector. Yeah. The 00:12:26.970 --> 00:12:29.049 volume is a little low, Rob. It's a bummer. I 00:12:29.049 --> 00:12:30.830 mean, I'm, I'm enjoying talking with you, but 00:12:30.830 --> 00:12:34.529 for some reason it's low, but, uh, how about 00:12:34.529 --> 00:12:39.120 now? Oh, way better. Yes. Yes. Yes. So I, I was 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:40.919 getting feedback on my own mic. I apologize. 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:42.799 Oh, way better. No, we can hear you real well 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:46.179 now. Okay. So if you don't know who Rob is, he 00:12:46.179 --> 00:12:48.740 takes an angle on Instagram and I see his videos 00:12:48.740 --> 00:12:51.100 often there. And he's one of the only ones making 00:12:51.100 --> 00:12:54.500 content like, like I do here over there. That's 00:12:54.500 --> 00:12:57.350 how I feel about you, Rob. Same. Absolutely. 00:12:57.669 --> 00:13:00.250 I sometimes dip into your show. Your comment 00:13:00.250 --> 00:13:02.629 section is wild. You are definitely the Howard 00:13:02.629 --> 00:13:05.169 Stern of the hobby. You have your own little 00:13:05.169 --> 00:13:07.009 rap. They're the best, man. They're hilarious 00:13:07.009 --> 00:13:09.350 and the best. But yes, we lean a little skeptical. 00:13:11.250 --> 00:13:14.649 So go ahead. I actually want to lean in on what 00:13:14.649 --> 00:13:17.710 you're asking Alyx right now. Oh, was that this? 00:13:17.789 --> 00:13:19.750 How can you reach or treat people? Or was it 00:13:19.750 --> 00:13:21.990 the one before that? No, right there. How you 00:13:21.990 --> 00:13:25.690 can reach or treat people. Just tonight, we had 00:13:25.690 --> 00:13:27.549 a guy that was in there talking about, and I 00:13:27.549 --> 00:13:29.509 don't really want to disclose much of what's 00:13:29.509 --> 00:13:32.309 going on, but he just got into the whole breaking 00:13:32.309 --> 00:13:36.889 platform and to buying this past year. And you 00:13:36.889 --> 00:13:38.429 could hear it in his voice that he didn't know 00:13:38.429 --> 00:13:41.090 where to go. Because people are kind of ashamed 00:13:41.090 --> 00:13:43.110 to talk about spending too much money on sports 00:13:43.110 --> 00:13:46.169 cards. And I don't know, I'm proud to say that, 00:13:46.250 --> 00:13:49.309 you know, I collect. But a lot of people, when 00:13:49.309 --> 00:13:51.669 they go into debt, they're afraid to talk about 00:13:51.669 --> 00:13:54.330 it with their significant others. You know, maybe 00:13:54.330 --> 00:13:56.190 they don't really, I don't know, let's call a 00:13:56.190 --> 00:13:58.690 spade a spade. There are guys in this platform 00:13:58.690 --> 00:14:01.690 that maybe they're kind of maybe the incel type, 00:14:01.850 --> 00:14:04.190 and I hate to say that, but it's the truth. And, 00:14:04.190 --> 00:14:06.809 you know, I mean, sports can only go so far, 00:14:06.909 --> 00:14:10.549 but it's a shame that you guys don't want to 00:14:10.549 --> 00:14:12.610 give them a chance. That's all I'm really saying. 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:14.899 And you know, I also want to, you know, we have 00:14:14.899 --> 00:14:17.279 200 people right now, a little less, but there's 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:19.159 some vocal people in chat. That's not everybody. 00:14:19.259 --> 00:14:20.960 That's also what I mentioned to Alyx. A lot of 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:23.600 people will watch after. So sure. My vocal guys 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:25.799 in the comments, but that's not everyone that, 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:27.279 that, you know, that, that doesn't represent 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:30.620 everybody, I guess. And I think the pushback 00:14:30.620 --> 00:14:32.340 is good. And I think you coming on answering 00:14:32.340 --> 00:14:35.860 honestly is, is good. And you still are not winning 00:14:35.860 --> 00:14:38.379 everybody over. Unfortunately though, Jason, 00:14:38.460 --> 00:14:42.259 Jason, listen, when I came into this about a 00:14:42.259 --> 00:14:45.639 year, ago and started this movement i had my 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:48.919 reservations trust me i was nervous to put myself 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:51.679 out there talk about my lived experience talk 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.440 about my you know um gambling addiction i'm a 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:56.379 recovering gambling addict it's a lifelong commitment 00:14:56.379 --> 00:15:01.940 um i have my my past mistakes my transgressions 00:15:01.940 --> 00:15:05.259 and i was nervous as hell to pick up a mic and 00:15:05.259 --> 00:15:09.240 start talking but it's something that i overcame 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:14.000 and it's something i i do every day And so I'm 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:18.340 in and out of meetings, podcasts. You know, you 00:15:18.340 --> 00:15:20.679 know, we host our own podcast. I bring on guests 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:23.059 from the industry, from the recovery world. I 00:15:23.059 --> 00:15:25.519 wear my heart on my sleeve. I talk about everything 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:27.740 that I've been through. I have absolutely nothing 00:15:27.740 --> 00:15:31.519 to hide. And so, again, like no matter what the 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:34.860 entity is, there's always going to be naysayers. 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:36.399 There's always going to be people throwing stones. 00:15:36.940 --> 00:15:38.980 That's the nature of the beast. It comes with 00:15:38.980 --> 00:15:41.460 the territory. And that's OK. Because like I 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:44.679 said, if we can just reach one person here, one 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.240 of your listeners tonight who needs help and 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.980 understands that we offer a free service, weekly 00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:53.480 meetings, tools and resources, a website that 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:57.250 is chock full of educational content. Then it's 00:15:57.250 --> 00:15:59.590 all worth it. So this is my opinion here, just 00:15:59.590 --> 00:16:02.269 mine, because you coming on saying the service 00:16:02.269 --> 00:16:05.110 is there is great. That's good to me where it 00:16:05.110 --> 00:16:06.929 really hammers home. And even on the website, 00:16:07.029 --> 00:16:10.389 it's kind of like played down is I think it's 00:16:10.389 --> 00:16:12.429 so much more powerful when you actually hear 00:16:12.429 --> 00:16:14.929 someone's story and how bad it was and where 00:16:14.929 --> 00:16:17.049 it put them. And that, you know, I understand. 00:16:17.169 --> 00:16:18.590 OK, a lot of people don't want to come out and 00:16:18.590 --> 00:16:21.799 say that, but. You know, I do think it's beneficial 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:24.720 to show more of the actual problem. So many people 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:26.960 don't even want to say it is a problem or they're 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.600 surprised when someone comes out and says how 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.360 much they lost. And so I think you're still battling 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:34.799 where people don't even realize or know it's 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:36.679 a problem. And it's good to have people share. 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:38.500 And I know you do that in your your groups, but 00:16:38.500 --> 00:16:40.779 sometimes I feel like showing that to the public 00:16:40.779 --> 00:16:46.220 can be beneficial for you. Dr. Professor. Hey 00:16:46.220 --> 00:16:49.460 now. Hey, Ben, you see, you trust me on that. 00:16:49.860 --> 00:16:51.820 Absolutely. I'll take that as motivation for 00:16:51.820 --> 00:16:55.559 myself. Okay. All right. Good. Yeah. I mean, 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:57.779 this is totally fair, but I think this also ties 00:16:57.779 --> 00:17:00.679 back to what Rob was just talking about. And, 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:05.539 you know, candidly, we just wrapped up our 41st 00:17:05.539 --> 00:17:08.259 weekly peer support meeting. We had, we had around, 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.480 how many people do we have tonight, Rob? 20, 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.569 22. At one point, there was like 23. Two weeks 00:17:13.569 --> 00:17:15.569 ago, there was like almost 30 in there. Yeah, 00:17:15.670 --> 00:17:18.150 we've had more than that. But, you know, the 00:17:18.150 --> 00:17:21.930 common theme is that a lot of these people are 00:17:21.930 --> 00:17:25.369 grown adults, right? They're our age. Some are 00:17:25.369 --> 00:17:29.750 younger, some are older. I'm 36. And so, you 00:17:29.750 --> 00:17:33.710 know, they talk about the shame, the embarrassment. 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:36.299 That, you know, they go into a GA room and they're 00:17:36.299 --> 00:17:38.079 talking, you know, they hear from folks that 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.079 have a traditional gambling addiction to casinos 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:43.799 and sports books and things of that nature. And 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.480 here they are addicted to Pokemon cards and baseball 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:49.140 cards. And so they have a hard time coming out 00:17:49.140 --> 00:17:51.740 and saying like, yeah, I have a real problem. 00:17:51.819 --> 00:17:54.759 Oh, I think many addicts do. Many. I mean, many, 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:57.079 many. But this takes it to another level because 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:00.659 we're talking about like a childhood hobby. I 00:18:00.659 --> 00:18:05.200 find so much power in, in, in hearing other struggles 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:06.980 and knowing you're not alone. I know they could 00:18:06.980 --> 00:18:09.440 do that in your meeting, but I just feel instead 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:11.380 of, and the partnerships are, you know, do, do 00:18:11.380 --> 00:18:12.859 what you, you know, what did you do to do your 00:18:12.859 --> 00:18:15.700 thing? But I just find hearing other people actually 00:18:15.700 --> 00:18:18.079 hearing it is going to spread the message more. 00:18:18.539 --> 00:18:21.420 It's powerful. When you hear those people, it 00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:24.640 is, is very powerful. Totally fair. And I think, 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:27.619 you know, we'd have, we have a number of, um, 00:18:28.190 --> 00:18:30.289 community members who have stepped up and have 00:18:30.289 --> 00:18:33.890 interviewed. I'm just going to go out and say 00:18:33.890 --> 00:18:36.470 we have an article coming out with GQ in the 00:18:36.470 --> 00:18:38.569 next month or two. They're going to be covering 00:18:38.569 --> 00:18:40.849 a lot of what we talk about, the gambling adjacent 00:18:40.849 --> 00:18:46.849 activities and hobbies that have blossomed over 00:18:46.849 --> 00:18:48.549 the last several years that are really preying 00:18:48.549 --> 00:18:52.829 on customers and their dopamine centers and things 00:18:52.829 --> 00:18:55.500 of that nature. We had seven community members 00:18:55.500 --> 00:18:59.779 step up to be interviewed by the editor. And 00:18:59.779 --> 00:19:01.240 so when that comes out, that's going to be big 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:06.019 time. But testimonials are important. And I actually 00:19:06.019 --> 00:19:08.039 really appreciate that feedback. And it's something 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:11.740 we'll definitely consider. Charles, I know you 00:19:11.740 --> 00:19:13.119 have a question. Someone has a little feedback, 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:15.519 but I think it's not too bad. But Charles, be 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.759 respectful, be kind. What do you want to ask? 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:24.720 I figured you came on to ask Alyx. I could be 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:27.259 wrong. Charles is with me. Charles is. That's 00:19:27.259 --> 00:19:29.839 right. That's right. The whole time. That's right. 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.000 Charles, what made you come on? Let's let's let's 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.019 give you your. I'm just just here to, you know, 00:19:36.019 --> 00:19:38.759 answer any questions as well. So the thing about 00:19:38.759 --> 00:19:41.559 talking about what we talk about in our weekly 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:44.099 meetings, the whole goal of that is it's sort 00:19:44.099 --> 00:19:46.549 of like. you know gamblers anonymous overeaters 00:19:46.549 --> 00:19:48.950 anonymous or whatever it's it's anonymous because 00:19:48.950 --> 00:19:50.490 there's a lot of shame there a lot of people 00:19:50.490 --> 00:19:53.170 are ashamed a lot of people still share and it's 00:19:53.170 --> 00:19:55.609 very powerful there's youtube videos of people 00:19:55.609 --> 00:19:57.230 talking about how they fucked their life up with 00:19:57.230 --> 00:19:59.390 alcohol there's videos of people talking about 00:19:59.390 --> 00:20:00.970 how they fucked their life up with sports gambling 00:20:00.970 --> 00:20:03.670 and it's a huge message it's what other people 00:20:03.670 --> 00:20:06.210 like my brother who struggle i i recommend those 00:20:06.210 --> 00:20:08.549 videos so he can hear other people just like 00:20:08.549 --> 00:20:11.289 you're meeting but getting you know getting one 00:20:11.289 --> 00:20:14.480 of those people to the public It's just strong. 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:18.160 I was one of those people. I can share my testimonial 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:21.579 if you want me to. Yeah. So I got back into the 00:20:21.579 --> 00:20:24.420 hobby in summer of 2025. And you were one of 00:20:24.420 --> 00:20:26.759 the first people I watched, Professor. And Alyx 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.779 was one of the first. I stumbled upon a lot of 00:20:29.779 --> 00:20:32.259 the influencer stuff going on. I got back into 00:20:32.259 --> 00:20:33.940 this hobby because, frankly, my mental health 00:20:33.940 --> 00:20:36.619 was deteriorating. It was just work, come home. 00:20:36.980 --> 00:20:40.380 I had no social life. I have bad social anxiety. 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:43.220 So the fact that I'm even doing this. is a victory 00:20:43.220 --> 00:20:44.799 for me as far as i'm concerned you would have 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:46.720 asked me to do this a year ago i would have said 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:48.819 you're out of your fucking mind i'm not good 00:20:48.819 --> 00:20:51.180 for you man good for you you know i'm not doing 00:20:51.180 --> 00:20:54.059 this kind of crap but at the same time you gotta 00:20:54.059 --> 00:20:57.420 step outside your comfort zone and so i mean 00:20:57.420 --> 00:20:59.539 i got back into the hobby i had no idea we were 00:20:59.539 --> 00:21:01.440 about to be in a boom period or all the craziness 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:03.740 that's about to go on i just wanted to do something 00:21:03.740 --> 00:21:06.380 i did when i was a kid so you know i bought cards 00:21:06.380 --> 00:21:09.079 you know started ripping and then realized it's 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:11.950 really freaking expensive And I have an addictive 00:21:11.950 --> 00:21:14.250 personality. And if there's something I need 00:21:14.250 --> 00:21:17.190 to chase or want to chase, I don't really give 00:21:17.190 --> 00:21:19.529 a damn about money as long as I have it. And, 00:21:19.589 --> 00:21:24.930 you know, who does care? Creditors. Your landlord, 00:21:26.410 --> 00:21:28.630 your car payment, they care. They want that money. 00:21:29.210 --> 00:21:31.450 So, you know, it didn't get out of hand to the 00:21:31.450 --> 00:21:33.509 point to where I lost my car or my apartment 00:21:33.509 --> 00:21:36.309 or anything, but I didn't want it to get there. 00:21:37.049 --> 00:21:39.269 People go in debt. My brother went in a lot of 00:21:39.269 --> 00:21:41.509 debt in sports gambling. And so I think it's 00:21:41.509 --> 00:21:43.609 easy to find yourself. And thank you for sharing, 00:21:43.690 --> 00:21:47.250 man. The more of that is just, it is powerful 00:21:47.250 --> 00:21:49.930 and it wakes it up and it makes it real. And 00:21:49.930 --> 00:21:52.670 right now, all the other videos, some of the 00:21:52.670 --> 00:21:54.210 people that they have a problem with their partnership 00:21:54.210 --> 00:21:56.630 is they're not making it very real. It's smoke 00:21:56.630 --> 00:21:59.589 and mirrors, nothing real. And you know what? 00:21:59.670 --> 00:22:01.410 I was the biggest skeptic. When he mentioned 00:22:01.410 --> 00:22:04.009 Jeff Wilson's partnership, I said, dude, you 00:22:04.009 --> 00:22:08.059 are going to get so much. from pretty much anyone 00:22:08.059 --> 00:22:11.059 that's got, you know, any anti -establishment 00:22:11.059 --> 00:22:13.880 thing going on because Jeff Wilson is the establishment. 00:22:13.940 --> 00:22:16.440 He is the industry. He's the face of it. That's 00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:18.859 also why we're doing this. If we get the Rip 00:22:18.859 --> 00:22:21.640 responsibly thing on one of his breaks, which 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:25.160 generate $2 million a month. Which we do. They're 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:27.900 running across the breaks now. If we could save 00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:29.779 one person who's like, oh man, I've spent too 00:22:29.779 --> 00:22:31.819 much money. I might need to just get out of this 00:22:31.819 --> 00:22:34.140 break or, you know, with Rip Hamilton Rips or 00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:36.480 something like that. We've done our due diligence. 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:39.400 And that's really all it is. It's not like we're 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:42.119 trying to get in good with Jeff Wilson and hobnob 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:44.140 with him and be at a fanatics party or some shit. 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.319 We're just trying to help people out because 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:48.900 there's some people that get to a point to where 00:22:48.900 --> 00:22:51.480 they're like, there's nowhere else to turn. They're 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:53.539 losing their children, you know, their wife, 00:22:53.700 --> 00:22:56.480 their kids are leaving them. So Alyx and Charles, 00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:59.539 it's really nice that you shared. And Alyx, my 00:22:59.539 --> 00:23:01.920 question is, you're hearing these stories. I'm 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:08.240 sure far worse than what Charles said. My message 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:12.420 is I just think there's so much power in hearing 00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:16.880 all that. These stories are very real. They're 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:19.559 very raw. There are people that come to us who, 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:24.279 again, are on the brink of just complete crisis. 00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:28.420 They don't know how to proceed. They were struggling 00:23:28.420 --> 00:23:31.940 in isolation for a very, very long time. What 00:23:31.940 --> 00:23:35.960 Collectors MD serves is a safe space for them 00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:39.059 to connect with other people who are also experiencing 00:23:39.059 --> 00:23:43.460 very similar challenges. And that creates so 00:23:43.460 --> 00:23:48.640 much, it just, it creates so much power and impact 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.319 when people are going through these tough times, 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:54.619 when they can lean on others. Like this is, it's 00:23:54.619 --> 00:23:56.980 peer support. It's not leader support. It's not 00:23:56.980 --> 00:23:59.980 me teaching a class or a course or a lecture 00:23:59.980 --> 00:24:03.250 or anything like that. I'm just. I'm helping 00:24:03.250 --> 00:24:07.190 navigating the conversations and the feedback. 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:09.849 But, you know, in this past this meeting tonight, 00:24:09.950 --> 00:24:12.690 we had, I don't know, seven, eight different 00:24:12.690 --> 00:24:16.710 people share openly, honestly, transparently, 00:24:16.849 --> 00:24:20.809 vulnerably. And, you know, everybody was there. 00:24:20.910 --> 00:24:23.089 Everybody was there for each other. And that's 00:24:23.089 --> 00:24:24.849 what it's all about. No, they're all going through 00:24:24.849 --> 00:24:26.910 the same thing. Charles, I have a question. If 00:24:26.910 --> 00:24:30.529 people have a problem with with us providing 00:24:30.529 --> 00:24:33.569 support. tools and resources for people who really 00:24:33.569 --> 00:24:36.750 need help you know that's that's on their conscience 00:24:36.750 --> 00:24:39.170 like it's all good it's all good like we know 00:24:39.170 --> 00:24:41.230 also the other thing Alyx is there's so much 00:24:41.230 --> 00:24:43.329 shady stuff right now and everything so it's 00:24:43.329 --> 00:24:46.069 there or a lot of us already programmed to be 00:24:46.069 --> 00:24:51.650 like you know yeah i could say one thing about 00:24:51.650 --> 00:24:54.650 Alyx he wears his heart on his sleeve and i was 00:24:54.650 --> 00:24:57.210 going through a rough time myself and i was one 00:24:57.210 --> 00:24:59.089 of the biggest skeptic i remember seeing him 00:24:59.089 --> 00:25:02.450 on uh It was Valor and Cage, and they were tearing 00:25:02.450 --> 00:25:04.329 him up. They were. And I thought it was kind 00:25:04.329 --> 00:25:07.650 of funny. And it seemed like a grip to me at 00:25:07.650 --> 00:25:11.289 first. And he reached out, and he asked if I 00:25:11.289 --> 00:25:12.849 wanted to come to a meeting. And I'm just like, 00:25:12.890 --> 00:25:14.369 I don't fucking need that. This is bullshit. 00:25:14.549 --> 00:25:16.109 Like, no, come on. It's fucking sports cars. 00:25:16.250 --> 00:25:17.410 And then I'm like, all right, wait a second. 00:25:17.650 --> 00:25:21.789 I actually have a fucking problem. And he was 00:25:21.789 --> 00:25:24.890 very persistent with me. And it wasn't nothing 00:25:24.890 --> 00:25:27.720 more than, hey, man, if you need something. call 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:29.779 me if you need something call me maybe i give 00:25:29.779 --> 00:25:32.880 off that aura when i make a post excuse my language 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:37.160 but uh there was a another more recent time i 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:41.200 was pretty hard up and um not just in my own 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.480 mental uh state um not to talk too much but it 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.819 was i'm in a lot of group therapy right now myself 00:25:48.819 --> 00:25:53.269 um and it was at a point where I'm not living 00:25:53.269 --> 00:25:56.529 with my wife at the moment. I'm I'm estranged 00:25:56.529 --> 00:26:00.109 from my children. Oh, man. No, no, no, no, no, 00:26:00.109 --> 00:26:02.470 no, no. Wait, wait, wait. This is the come on. 00:26:02.490 --> 00:26:03.970 You want to talk about what we talk about. But 00:26:03.970 --> 00:26:07.329 this is the truth. I under my own under my own 00:26:07.329 --> 00:26:10.349 judgment, I made that move. I felt like I needed 00:26:10.349 --> 00:26:16.190 to get better, you know, and to hear when people 00:26:16.190 --> 00:26:19.740 talk about their own hardships. It makes you 00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:24.900 accept who you are. There's real truth in the 00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:29.900 power of group. And the way Alyx holds these 00:26:29.900 --> 00:26:33.410 meetings, it makes you feel welcomed. And if 00:26:33.410 --> 00:26:36.190 you as a person can accept who you are, you can 00:26:36.190 --> 00:26:39.150 accept your faults. And I think just by reading 00:26:39.150 --> 00:26:41.730 the comments, there are, and I hate reading comments. 00:26:41.829 --> 00:26:44.910 That's just, I figured out how to use this shit. 00:26:44.930 --> 00:26:48.650 So I kind of went a little haywire. My comment 00:26:48.650 --> 00:26:51.069 section is an interesting place. They have fun. 00:26:52.490 --> 00:26:55.069 But the ignorance is kind of high with some of 00:26:55.069 --> 00:26:57.329 these comments that I'm reading. Well, Rhonda's 00:26:57.329 --> 00:26:59.250 got her job cut out for us. Let me just address 00:26:59.250 --> 00:27:00.950 something real quick. I'm just going to address 00:27:00.950 --> 00:27:03.650 this as a one blanket statement. And Alyx, I'm 00:27:03.650 --> 00:27:06.910 sorry I had a ton. You guys need a fucking reality 00:27:06.910 --> 00:27:09.130 check, okay? You want to come in here, you want 00:27:09.130 --> 00:27:11.210 to troll, you want to be a keyboard warrior, 00:27:11.289 --> 00:27:14.980 fine. If that entertains you, that's cool. Charles, 00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:18.940 you don't care about Charles. People kill themselves 00:27:18.940 --> 00:27:21.640 over this shit, dude. It's not funny. It's not 00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:24.019 something to go and troll. Oh, look at me. You 00:27:24.019 --> 00:27:26.859 buy views. Blah, blah, blah. You know what? I'm 00:27:26.859 --> 00:27:28.099 sorry you're not smart enough to figure that 00:27:28.099 --> 00:27:31.160 out. Yeah, if they were, they'd be doing it. 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.599 Charles, I give you a shout out because you stay 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.579 here and chat clearly. At this point, you've 00:27:36.579 --> 00:27:39.940 put yourself out there. So good for you for still 00:27:39.940 --> 00:27:42.359 coming out and saying what you're saying. Frank, 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:47.039 what's up? Charles, Charles, you're doing great 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:50.559 stuff right now. Rob, Alyx, stop reading it. 00:27:50.619 --> 00:27:53.420 This is really good content. Let's get it on. 00:27:53.579 --> 00:27:56.099 Fuck these guys. Okay. Just thank you. This is 00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:58.519 really good stuff. Keep it, keep it going. Okay. 00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:02.339 Keep it going right now. Thank you. Okay. We're 00:28:02.339 --> 00:28:03.980 going to get some signs of encouragement. Charles, 00:28:04.019 --> 00:28:05.920 thank you so much for getting on tonight. That 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.859 was really awesome. And come on, let's talk more 00:28:08.859 --> 00:28:11.519 about the process right now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 00:28:11.619 --> 00:28:14.200 you want to talk about substance abuse? I've 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:17.299 went from everything from. Oh, you know what? 00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:18.900 I'm not going to start incriminating myself, 00:28:19.019 --> 00:28:22.599 but sports cards definitely. I can imagine. I 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.579 can take some guesses. I'm sure you can. But 00:28:25.579 --> 00:28:27.920 when I was first hurt from work and I was making 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.779 silly sports card content, I was buying way above 00:28:30.779 --> 00:28:33.079 my means. And my wife still doesn't know how 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.279 much I actually spent. But that dopamine that 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.200 you get when you see that card that you've been 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.680 waiting for in the mail or you go into a break 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.839 and you try to, you know, that that last second 00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:47.660 swipe to. deal to snipe from somebody you know 00:28:47.660 --> 00:28:51.480 that shit hits and then you know if you don't 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.579 have money in the bank and you go towards the 00:28:53.579 --> 00:28:56.319 substances it's a real fucking teeter -totter 00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.799 that you go on and to be able to go into a meeting 00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:03.019 and express yourself to these people that that 00:29:03.019 --> 00:29:06.400 are very like -minded or very in the same boat 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.279 as you it's fulfilling and you know what it fills 00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:11.660 the void that you don't want to go and spend 00:29:11.660 --> 00:29:15.960 and he actually has these chats that has gotten 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.099 me off eBay more. And right now, I'm collecting 00:29:19.099 --> 00:29:21.660 dead baseball players. And I don't know. It's 00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:24.940 weird, whatever. But my spending has significantly 00:29:24.940 --> 00:29:27.759 dropped since being in these little chats that 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.519 he's got going on. So, yeah, Alyx, the best thing 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.059 that could have happened for you tonight was 00:29:32.059 --> 00:29:36.119 getting Rob up here. I have a guy that had a 00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.539 PSA card ruined and I was scheduled. We're going 00:29:38.539 --> 00:29:40.119 to keep this going. I'll throw him on in a few 00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:42.680 minutes. But I had a question for Charles. Charles, 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:44.359 how could someone mention it might have been 00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:46.160 Ziggy, but someone mentioned like you lost it. 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.500 How long? How many months? I know you want it 00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:52.059 forever. Did it take you to spend more than you 00:29:52.059 --> 00:29:55.660 should have? Oh, the first month it tops Inception 00:29:55.660 --> 00:29:58.799 24 come out. I'm a big Cubs fan. Pete Cor Armstrong 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.420 had a rookie patch auto. I had some influencers 00:30:01.420 --> 00:30:03.299 telling me that's the big chase. You got to have 00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:05.599 the rookie patch auto. You got to have Paul Skeens. 00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:07.480 I'm like, I don't want Paul Skeens. I'm not a 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:10.099 Pirates fan. Well, Pete Cor Armstrong has one. 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:13.299 He's the other rookie for the Cubs. Oh, okay. 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.200 I can chase that. Not realizing, hey, I could 00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:17.980 go on eBay and probably find that card for the 00:30:17.980 --> 00:30:20.920 price of one of the boxes I bought. But it doesn't 00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:23.099 change the dopamine rush of actually opening 00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:25.359 the pack and maybe getting that card. And, oh, 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:27.259 my gosh, it's like opening up a frigging Christmas 00:30:27.259 --> 00:30:30.339 present every time you open a box. It can get 00:30:30.339 --> 00:30:32.799 really out of hand really frigging quick. And 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.119 where this hobby is so expensive now, it can 00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.039 bankrupt people. But yet you have Chad. So just 00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:40.619 in a month, you spent more than you should have. 00:30:40.900 --> 00:30:44.339 Oh, yeah. I mean, let's just say I spent $900 00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:46.940 on one lick. Those boxes of Inception are $300 00:30:46.940 --> 00:30:51.210 plus a piece. $900 at once. The last time I spent 00:30:51.210 --> 00:30:56.210 that was on rent. Okay. Anything crazy. You know, 00:30:56.210 --> 00:30:58.450 I don't, my car payment is five 31 a month for 00:30:58.450 --> 00:31:04.170 fuck's sake. That is crazy work, but you know 00:31:04.170 --> 00:31:06.769 what? I was okay with it. Cause I work a really 00:31:06.769 --> 00:31:09.150 good job. I can afford it. I'm not going to be 00:31:09.150 --> 00:31:11.049 until you couldn't, you could afford it until 00:31:11.049 --> 00:31:13.529 you couldn't though. Yeah. Going dead on this 00:31:13.529 --> 00:31:15.529 stuff. It's like, yeah. Like how many credit 00:31:15.529 --> 00:31:17.799 cards can I open up? How many? Time's going to 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:19.640 bubble money and hide it. How many times can 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.539 I lie about shit? I just want to double down, 00:31:22.660 --> 00:31:24.920 Alyx, is that having Jay and Charles who are 00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:26.700 willing to, not everyone will, not everyone's 00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:29.619 in that space. It just is. It's so much bigger 00:31:29.619 --> 00:31:31.700 than seeing your Instagram post. I'm not talking, 00:31:31.700 --> 00:31:34.019 I'm not trying to be an ass, but it's so much 00:31:34.019 --> 00:31:37.910 more powerful and so much bigger than. For me, 00:31:37.990 --> 00:31:40.809 hearing these two wear their heart on their sleeve 00:31:40.809 --> 00:31:43.430 and it's real and how quick it happened and they're 00:31:43.430 --> 00:31:46.069 talking well of your program, that's how you 00:31:46.069 --> 00:31:48.769 want to start pushing it, in my opinion. That's 00:31:48.769 --> 00:31:52.029 in my opinion. 100%. I've said from day one, 00:31:52.130 --> 00:31:57.930 this is a community effort. Collectors MD is all 00:31:57.930 --> 00:31:59.970 of us. Rob was talking about the group chats. 00:32:00.589 --> 00:32:03.470 We all are there for each other. We respect each 00:32:03.470 --> 00:32:07.599 other. We enjoy each other's... you know granted 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.880 it's it's in a digital environment but we enjoy 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.660 each other's company and it's been just so refreshing 00:32:13.660 --> 00:32:18.440 to you know meet these people who want to proceed 00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.119 with the hobby it's not like we're anti -collecting 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:25.339 or anti -breaking we just do it smartly and responsibly 00:32:25.339 --> 00:32:28.859 exactly and these people you know want to collect 00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:30.279 with intention and that's what we're all about 00:32:30.939 --> 00:32:35.579 uh real quick shout out uh Sports Man Dan he uh 00:32:35.579 --> 00:32:37.579 he had me on his show he's the man hey now i 00:32:37.579 --> 00:32:40.079 saw him on your little list there uh i really 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.420 appreciate you guys all calling in i hope i kind 00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:45.359 of i want i had i think chapman is his name come 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.279 on because he has a story to tell on psa do you 00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:49.000 guys want to stay on with that do you want to 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:51.460 you know go here i'll give you the option you're 00:32:51.460 --> 00:32:53.000 more than welcome to stay i love having there's 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.319 a big psa story that's come out too like i think 00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.119 teapot had a big video about eight literally 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.259 six of the top Grading companies gave six different 00:33:01.259 --> 00:33:03.319 grades. Yeah, but they just repeat it. They repeat 00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:05.019 that. That's what Rhonda was saying in her voicemail. 00:33:05.059 --> 00:33:08.299 They just keep repeating that same story. I don't 00:33:08.299 --> 00:33:10.480 know. Do you guys want to hang out? You've been 00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:12.599 on 40 minutes. I'll leave it up to you. Yeah, 00:33:12.619 --> 00:33:15.400 no, this was great, Jason. I'd love to hang out. 00:33:19.950 --> 00:33:22.509 Yeah. I know you were like a little teetering 00:33:22.509 --> 00:33:25.049 on whether this song, it worked out well, I think, 00:33:25.049 --> 00:33:28.890 I think it worked out. Rob is, is a very good 00:33:28.890 --> 00:33:32.069 for your brand. Yeah. He tells the, you know, 00:33:32.069 --> 00:33:34.369 Rob is, is out there breaking down the industry. 00:33:34.670 --> 00:33:37.670 That's a good thing. Yeah. He's the skeptic. 00:33:37.769 --> 00:33:40.970 Yeah. And thank you for sharing, man. That's 00:33:40.970 --> 00:33:43.170 thank you for having me. I hope we get to keep 00:33:43.170 --> 00:33:45.250 chatting more. Yeah, definitely. We're in that 00:33:45.250 --> 00:33:50.670 group chat with Dave. No doubt. Never. Not interesting 00:33:50.670 --> 00:33:55.069 with Dave. No, never. It's awesome. All right, 00:33:55.089 --> 00:33:56.829 Rob, Alyx, thank you both for calling in. It 00:33:56.829 --> 00:33:58.289 sounds like you might. Yep. Yep. Have a great 00:33:58.289 --> 00:34:02.069 night. You too, guys. Hey, that was awesome. 00:34:02.150 --> 00:34:04.730 That was a great, and you know, the questions 00:34:04.730 --> 00:34:06.710 were good and, you know, okay. And it took a 00:34:06.710 --> 00:34:09.230 little bit, but by the time we got flowing, man, 00:34:09.349 --> 00:34:09.949 that was really good.