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And now, Frank's gone. Frank's gone. What do

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we got here? All right. So, CollectorMD, if you

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have any questions for CollectorMD, throw them

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in here. I'm going to show you my questions,

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what I feel like I want to ask. Where are we?

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Hey, Macy's Thanksgiving. Da -da -da. Here we

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go. All right. CollectorMD, I want to know his

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credentials in the field. What exactly? What

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is his background? Number one. Number two, mission

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statement. What exactly is he hoping to do with

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Collectors MD? Number three. And Frank, thank

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you for calling in. Always a pleasure. You're

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welcome anytime. I love how he comes in. He gives

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the knowledge. He came prepared. He had a slide.

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He had a video. And then he got right out. What

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is his inspiration? Where does the passion come

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from for doing this? His biggest problems he

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sees in the hobby or what he sees at his front

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door? And finally, my biggest thought about this

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is, you know, how does he compete with already

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established medical community and avenues? There's

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outlets for this already. So how is he just going

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to focus on the niche and feels that's going

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to be? So speaking of which. I think he should

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be calling in any moment. Let's see. How do I

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make this happen? Say his name and he appears.

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I believe in Joe Hendry. I believe in Joe Hendry.

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All right. Collectors MD, what is your first name?

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Well, thanks for having me. Can you hear me okay?

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Yes, sir. My name is Alyx. Alyx, good to meet

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you. We heard you a little better and now you're

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a little frozen. Let's see if that frozen goes

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away. Oh, there he is. And we heard you a little

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better in the beginning. I don't know if your

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mic was closer. Now you're a little lower. Can

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you hear me now? Yeah, I can hear you pretty

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good. So collector and Petty's here as well.

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You want to hop on Petty? No, not yet. Petty,

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maybe later. Okay. My first question to you is

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Alyx, correct? Yeah, it's Alyx. Yeah, that's

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right. Alyx, so you can see my questions on the

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screen. So my first question is kind of like,

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what's the background? What's your background?

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What qualifications do you have for Collectors MD?

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Yeah, so first of all, I just wanted to thank

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you for having me and just say hello to everybody

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in the chat. I see a few folks that are in our

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community. Collect Charles, Brandon, awesome

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guy. Appreciate the support. Yeah, so Collectors

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MD is a support first movement for people who

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love the hobby but are tired of feeling controlled

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by it. At its core, we help collectors step back

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from all of the chaos, the compulsion, the pressure

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-driven behavior that we're seeing everywhere

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and move toward what we call intentional collecting.

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So what intentional collecting is, it's where

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choices are rooted in clarity, boundaries, and

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purpose instead of dopamine, urgency, and FOMO.

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We recognize that collecting isn't inherently

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harmful, but the modern hobby has increasingly

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borrowed a lot of what we see within casinos

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and across sports books and the entire gambling

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world that sort of drive these hype cycles. and

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uh predatory mechanics right that blur the line

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between passion and addiction and so that's the

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space we exist just wanted to sort of uh set

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the table there give everybody a high level overview

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of who we are that was my third that was my second

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question your mission statement so it sounds

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like there's some of that in there i'd like to

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expand a little more but again what are i think

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it's important to to highlight you know at the

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very beginning what are the credentials that

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you have And I don't know. I'm honestly just

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curious. Yeah, of course. I am not a licensed

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therapist or a doctor or anything like that.

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I am simply a lifelong collector who has experienced

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the highs and lows of both gambling addiction

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as well as compulsive collecting. Have you thought

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about partnering with or reached out or has it

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crossed your mind to partner with someone that

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is accredited? So we have a full -fledged referral

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network of five. I think we're up to five individuals

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now that are licensed therapists, doctors, clinicians

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that we can provide service from as part of this

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extra layer of support for our community. We've

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also partnered with three facilities that help

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folks that have gambling addiction, behavioral

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issues, substance abuse, things like that. And

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those three facilities are Birches Health, Right

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Choice Recovery, and one we actually just announced

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today, Better Way of Miami. So if you have a

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difficult time with sports cards, you can enlist

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into these programs? Absolutely. Sorry, that's

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so funny. I don't know why that's funny. Okay,

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let's take the silliness away from it. How many

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are people signing up for these things? Because

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I think it's hard to admit yourself you have

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any problem, let alone saying, oh, yeah, I have

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a sports card problem. Yeah, I mean, from the

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outside looking in, it can absolutely seem comical.

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you know, confusing as to how something like

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a childhood nostalgia or childhood hobby rooted

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in nostalgia can have the same sort of. Well,

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that's not what it is anymore. Right. But that's

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what it was. And so it's it's hard for people

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to wrap their heads around. But are you finding

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anybody admitting out there that, yeah, I do

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have this problem? Oh, absolutely. Our community

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is growing by the dozens on a weekly basis. how

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where is your community at a facebook group discord

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how do they what is the how does they join that

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community so we host weekly meetings every wednesday

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night at 8 p .m eastern we it's a real subject

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i know it's 100 real and it's 100 serious and

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good for you in being out there doing this I

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know that it's come to this fucking thing, man.

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I'm not laughing. I just it's unreal that that's

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where we're at. Yeah, I'm not I won't I'm not

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taking offense to you laughing or anything like

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that. But it is a very serious subject. And there

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are people out there whose lives are getting

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absolutely destroyed by the hobby. And we see

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that firsthand on social media. We see it in

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Reddit. We see it on Facebook groups, people

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coming out and talking about the outrageous amount

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of money that they've lost by getting sucked

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into these breaks and break culture in general.

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How does someone find your community? If I wanted

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to join those meetings or be a part of the community,

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which I don't have the problem, but how would

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you do that? Can I share my screen? I can't,

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I don't know. Can you, I'm not quite sure if

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you can. Okay. I just, yeah, you did here. Let's

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add to stage. I think this is, Oh, you might

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have to do it. I don't know if I can, I, it won't

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let me click add to stage. Hmm. Okay. Well, uh,

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it's not letting me click either, but all you

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have to do is go to collectors, md .com. Oh,

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here I can remove that. Add to stage. Yeah, there

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it is. There we go. Is there an echo? Do we have

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an echo? Hopefully there's no echo. Sorry, Alyx.

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Go ahead. You're good. And by the way, what's

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your first name again? My first name is Jason.

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Jason. Jason. It's great to meet you, man. Master's

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degree, no doctorate. So, you know, you could

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assume you couldn't get at me. But yeah, anyways.

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The Real Mike Petty asks, is it a disease or

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a weakness? Gambling addiction is a disease.

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We absolutely. like see the parallels between

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gambling addiction and compulsive collecting

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overspending retail therapy. And by the way,

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it's this, do you want to hop on right now or

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no? This isn't just sports cards. This encompasses

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a lot of different verticals across the collecting

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world, right? There are sneakers, TCG. I'll put

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you back when we stop sharing the screen. That

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way you're not covered. Sorry about that. So

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when you go to this website, again, I'm trying

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to plug how exactly does somebody get into the

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community? So all they have to do is go to our

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website and click on this link that says sign

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up for our weekly peer support meetings. It takes

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you to a Google form that you fill out, answer

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a few high -level questions, and we add you to

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the calendar invite. It's very simple. We are

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seeing anywhere from 30 to 40 plus people joining

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on a weekly basis. Oh, that's great. Goating,

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you're right. Stop interrupting. Sorry, there's

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17 things going on. Sharing screens, adding this.

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Petty's down there. He wants to ask questions.

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Chat's going. I'm trying to get to know Alyx.

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Okay, so they just go to the site and they can

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join from there. Do you see more clients or more

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people signing up from the TCG world or from

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the sports card world? More from the sports card

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world at the moment, but we do have a handful

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of folks in our community that are addicted to

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other things outside of just sports cards. I

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was naming a few of them. Obviously, TCG with

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Pokemon being the number one sort of culprit

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there. Sneakers, memorabilia, watches, handbags,

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luxury goods, NFTs, gaming, you name it. If it's

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something that... will drive people to overextend

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themselves or spend outside of their means, outside

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of their budget, it's potentially, you know,

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harmful. And, you know, there are... No, you're

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not wrong. I agree with a lot. I mean, I don't,

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I think a lot of what you're saying has some

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truth. I think it's hard for people to admit

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to themselves they have any sort of addiction,

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any sort of problem. Let alone when it, so that's,

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that's the barrier I think. And it sounds like

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you're still getting people and Petty. Hey, how

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about some support for Petty in the chat? Petty,

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a random Petty. Hey, happy Thanksgiving. How

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you doing? Happy Thanksgiving guys. Alyx, a pleasure

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to meet you, my handsome friend. I really appreciate

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what you've been doing. And I was, I was one

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of your first subscribers. Thank you. I just

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cannot believe what a slow ride it's been. to

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get like a hundred subscribers for you. Yeah.

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You're talking about YouTube. I mean, yeah. I

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mean, do you have, do you have other impact in

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other areas that are okay? Because I mean, the

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people that should, you should have a hundred

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thousand subscribers. I know. It's only been

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eight months. So the amount of work. Shit, I

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have that many subscribers in five minutes and

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I don't have a channel. Mike, you gotta, you

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gotta come work with me then. I gotta figure

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out a way to blow this up. In all seriousness,

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it's all about getting the message out there,

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spreading awareness, educating people on the

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insidious nature of collecting and the hobby.

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And the first thing that I want to put out there

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is that we are not anti -hobby. We love collecting.

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I'm still a collector. I've been collecting my

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entire life. I've collected sneakers, memorabilia,

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obviously cards. And so, you know, this isn't

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about canceling. sports cards canceling, break

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culture, any of that. We don't want to remove

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the fun. We just want people to know that they

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can continue to collect as long as they're doing

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so intentionally. And so when the... But you

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know what? When you have an addiction like that,

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you pretty much have to stop it all. And especially

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when you're a young kid in your 20s to 30s and

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you have a family. And there's just other things

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that are just so much more important, like paying

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your rent and buying groceries and things like

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that, that I think, I mean, you literally have

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to stop. And I think one of my professors in

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college, and a lot of people that know me know

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that I was in college for 10 years, so I've had

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quite a lot of schooling. But one of the main

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things I learned was, is the guy said, hey, stop

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doing what isn't working. And it's pretty simple.

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I mean, it's probably the best advice I ever

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got in life. So no matter what it is, whether

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it's gambling or something in your life that's

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not going right or that's not working at that

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time, stop it. And I don't know that it's a disease

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or a weakness. I mean, I don't know. Like, I

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think we all, in cards in general, I think we

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all have a little bit of an addictive personality.

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Yeah, so the first thing I want to say to that

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is you're absolutely right, Mike. I mean, there's

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definitely more at play here. We're talking about,

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oh, that's my boy. So Brandon. I have a little

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beef with your boy. He knows, he knows. Charles,

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good to see you. One of our biggest supporters.

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But yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things at

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play, right? There's the psychological effect,

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the dopamine loops. You know, it's a lot harder.

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than you think to just stop a behavior especially

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when you've been sucked into the point of you

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know it's sort of embedded in your dna and it's

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been a part of your life uh for years or for

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decades and so um especially with something like

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sports cards or TCG that again is is rooted in

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our childhood it's something we've been doing

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since we were kids and so because of that because

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of the nature of it there is this gray area.

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There are a lot of blurred lines. People don't

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realize the gambling mechanics that have been

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introduced. They don't understand. We realize

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forms like Whatnot and Fanatics Live are engineered

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to suck you in Arena Club, get you to spend money.

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Arena Club is. Hey, so can I ask you a question?

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I have a few more questions before Charles. Thank

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you for calling. So did it bother you when you

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were on Geoff show and he did the Arena Club ads

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prior or it didn't cause it got some, it got

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some. press. So did that bother you at all or

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not so much? So I spent 13 years in advertising

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sales. So I understand the nuances as far as

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partnership agreements are concerned, advertising.

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I mean, this is an advertiser that pays Geoff

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and his company money on a monthly, quarterly

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basis. He stands for nothing. Let me finish.

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You just partnered. Respectfully. Well, some

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of the chat is saying to move on. I want to make

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sure it's very long -winded, but go ahead. Yes,

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yes. Yeah, so with something like that, of course,

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like Arena Club is doing what they're doing,

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and they're a part of the problem. But at the

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end of the day, and this kind of goes hand -in

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-hand with any break group. card shop platform

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that Collectors MD partners with. It's not about

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endorsing the behavior. It's about reaching people

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that are involved in said behavior. And so for

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instance, if Arena Club is reaching hundreds

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of thousands of individuals and a percentage

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of those individuals have a gambling problem

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and need help, then we're now able to reach those

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people through these partnerships. So it's, it's

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less so about, you know, from like a mission

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standpoint and more so about making sure that

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we're getting in front of these individuals that

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actually - Oh, it didn't bother you. You don't

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really answer my questions. It didn't bother

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you. It's a loaded question, Jason. I mean, I

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can't - Well, it's one way or the other. It either

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bothered you or it didn't. It's not a loaded

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question. It didn't bother me that - Arena Club

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was a sponsor of the show. What bothered me was

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that people don't look at the entire picture.

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They look at everything from face value. And

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everybody and their mom wants to be a keyboard

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warrior and insert their opinion. comment and

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say this that the other about well Geoff is doing

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this is gonna be tough we just we just hate the

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fucker that's all no no a previous question you

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also i i'm having a tough tough time you i also

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asked like this and maybe you did answer and

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i missed it uh is the majority of people you

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see coming in from TCG or from sports cards sports

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cards okay all right thank you uh i have Charles

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go ahead you thanks for calling Charles what's

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up I'll work with Alyx. I'll vouch for him. We

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don't take any kind of endorsements widely. And

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Mike Petty, I totally understand you being dogmatic

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about us partnering with Market Movers. No, I'm

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not. I think it's probably a good partnership.

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In what context do you work for? Because you

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get a lot of morons over there that can really

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use it. And I'm a big supporter of this. Let's

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just get that straight. Oh, me too. I'm not trying,

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I'm almost trying to get straight answers. What,

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in what context, me too, in what context do you

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work for the company or for Alyx? I just help

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him out and contribute with our daily reflections

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and whatever he needs as far as. That's nice

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of you. It really is. As contributions are concerned.

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You know, it's anything I can do to help the

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hobby out. I joined this because as. I don't

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even know how much that I've admitted of this.

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You might have figured it out. I had a real tough

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time with breaks, spending too much money. Don't

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say. Well, that's how we met. That's how we met,

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Charles, and how we tried to talk. And we're

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trying to help. And I think it's awesome, dude.

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And I'm like, I love you. Up to this point, you

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know, going from being a loser and just being

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a nightmare and having to listen to you. Being

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just an awesome guy, I really appreciate you

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and really, really like you. You've come a long

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way on the show. You've come a long way in three

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months, I heard you. That's all you've been in

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the hobby. So I think it's great. Five months

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now total since the summer. Five, yeah. So that's

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great. No, I didn't start doing these until about

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September. And we're just busting your balls

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a lot too. Yeah, I know. You deserve it. It's

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all in fun, but he still deserves it. He still

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deserves it. So here's the thing. So here's what

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I saw when I first came into this hobby. Arena

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Club. Hey, chase a Grail card. Get a really awesome

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card you've always wanted that's graded. You

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have Geoff Wilson going, hey, graded cards rule.

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This and that and the other. And then you have

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breakers saying, hey, you can buy into this much

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cheaper and not have to actually buy an actual

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box of cards and stuff like that. So it's really

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enticing. And I have an addictive personality.

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I was a gambler. I was in the big poker boom

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back in the mid -2000s. I won money. No, I lost

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money. You know, cause that was the thing back

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then you got on online. Yeah. So this, the whole

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thing with Arena Club, that's what stands out

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to me. They have that algorithm. They have that

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method of doing things. And that's what really

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got me wrapped into it a little bit. And plus

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the breakers that act like they want to be your

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friend. And they're really just kind of sort

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of wanting your money. Cause you'll notice when

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you don't go into their breaks anymore, you don't

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hear from them. It's like when you are in their

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breaks, they'll like send you emails or DMS or.

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I mean, if you're Fanatics, I guess. Sure. But

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like, if you're just a mom and pop shop, sometimes

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they're just like, oh, well, anyway, we'll move

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on to another. We call it. I'm curious. Like,

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what's the difference? So you're saying once

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you're not in their break. So if you're joining

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somebody's break, are they hitting you up with

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like, hey, buy this from us today or how? What's

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the difference? How's it going? They try to include

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you in. It's like a social circle. That kind

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of thing. It's sort of like. They veiled like,

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hey, you're in our club. Join us here and subscribe

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for $5. Hey, hit the damn like button. Sorry.

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There's 100 people in here, 17 likes. It's free.

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It helps grow the channel. It helps spread this

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message of Alyx and Collector Charles helping

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out. We got Petty on. Hey, you know Petty. He

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wants it to be. Hey, Petty, thanks for calling

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in. Charles, has the addiction gotten better?

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Oh yeah. I mean like I'm not buying into breaks

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anymore. I think I bought into one like in the

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last month and it was just for a box of cards,

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you know, stuff like that. But you'll get into

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the trap of like watching these breakers or watching

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these people pull cards. You're like, I don't,

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I'd go down to my shop and just buy a hobby box,

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buy a jumbo box. That's what collectors in these

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four, I can text Alyx and be like, Hey man, so

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I got a problem. I want to start buying some

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more boxes. He'll say, here's the checklist.

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It's crap. Alyx, let me ask you a question. That's

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great. I mean, run everything by Alyx. Exactly.

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It's like, look, the checklist is crap. Or, you

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know, this or that or the other. Just buy your

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singles. If you want to pick your arms, it's

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fine. Or a box every three months. Or, you know,

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enjoy what you like. Budget your money, that

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kind of stuff. Save your, you know, that kind

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of thing. Go ahead, Jason. My question for you,

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and I don't know if you had something to say,

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but is it mainly in breaks? Is it mystery packages?

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Buying too many singles? What's the biggest problem

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that you see on your front door or that comes

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to you? Yeah, it's people joining breaks. It's

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people buying personals and chasing the next

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big hit. It's just that constant dopamine cycle.

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There's just so much oversaturation now with

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product. And it's being forced down our throats

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24 -7 by the manufacturers, platforms, and breakers.

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And so because of that, there's this sort of

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inherent reaction from the hobby where they're

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just driving this relentless sense of FOMO. There's

00:22:21.309 --> 00:22:24.230
so much urgency. A new product comes out, every

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breaker on the planet is shouting from the mountaintops

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that you got to join this break or you're missing

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out. And so young... impressionable uneducated

00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:37.960
adults and children are being sucked in and spending

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money hand over fist not even realizing that

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what they're doing is effectively gambling and

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so it's across the board it's even people who

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are just buying singles just to scratch an itch

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we're seeing it everywhere it's becomes very

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sensationalized and almost everything you just

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said We have different ways of going, but that's

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almost what inspired me to make a channel. I

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mean, it's just absolutely every, all the overprinting,

00:23:03.490 --> 00:23:05.269
it's shoved down your throat. Some of these content,

00:23:05.349 --> 00:23:07.890
it's really kind of sensationalizing it in a

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way that creates a bigger issue. And yeah, so

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I can connect with all those. all those things

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you just made. And then, so, okay. That leads

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me to my next question is that's what inspires

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me for content. What inspired, obviously you

00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:23.579
doing this, there has to be a passion. There

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has to be a reason. So where is it in your gut

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or what, what inspires you to do this? My own

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lived experience. Like I said earlier, I'm a

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recovering gambling addict. I've experienced

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the. the thrill of the chase I've experienced

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the lowest of lows, that feeling of like I hit

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rock bottom multiple times in my life. I'm 36

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years old. And so I have fully dedicated my life

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to helping people who need support. And so you

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had a problem with the sports cards or have a

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problem currently. I mean, I would hope not.

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I'm a recovering gambling addict and that encompasses

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anything defined by the gamblers anonymous program

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is gambling. And, yes, sports cards and breaking,

00:24:09.460 --> 00:24:12.559
by definition, are gambling. How does breaking

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suck people in? How does breaking get you? Because

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I argue it's not sustainable. People get in,

00:24:17.619 --> 00:24:19.660
they realize it's not the best ROI, and they

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get out. But maybe, I guess I'm wrong. I don't

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know. So what do they do to keep you and suck

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you in? They do a lot of things. Are we talking

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about the platforms, the breakers, the manufacturers?

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Either anything. Let's start with the breakers.

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Not manufacturer, because I understand that part

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completely. Let's start with the breakers. So

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everything that you're seeing on Whatnot and

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Fanatics Live, all these gimmicks, the wheel

00:24:41.180 --> 00:24:44.599
spins, choosing which team you want from a deck

00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:48.759
of cards, the flashing lights, the breakers screaming

00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:53.640
into the microphone to bid, the auctions aren't

00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:57.259
going for what they should. Go get it. The trade

00:24:57.259 --> 00:25:03.480
two teams for one. It's all a giant facade engineered

00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.970
to suck you in the same way casinos do. The difference

00:25:06.970 --> 00:25:11.190
between breaking and gambling, traditional gambling,

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is that there's zero oversight, zero regulation,

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zero rules, and breakers can do whatever they

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want. So, for instance, if a breaker or a card

00:25:21.630 --> 00:25:24.329
shop is selling singles, they can plop a slab

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down on a card stand and say, this card lasts

00:25:26.390 --> 00:25:29.390
for $20 ,000. You have 10 seconds on a sudden

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death auction. Bid. On a card you can't see.

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And people immediately just feel this sense of

00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:41.480
urgency. Yeah. And mindless. And they'll have

00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:43.359
people in there in the beginning, trying to pump

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it. Cause what I understand about all the burgers

00:25:45.099 --> 00:25:47.079
is momentum. You have to build more. So you'll

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have someone in there, even hyping the first

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few building those prices. That way it builds

00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:53.599
some momentum. So now, Ooh, now, now we're going,

00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.400
now there's a rush. If you don't believe that

00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:58.990
this is a real issue. And I'm not saying that

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you guys don't. I'm just saying for anybody listening,

00:26:00.950 --> 00:26:03.170
if you don't believe that this is a real issue,

00:26:03.329 --> 00:26:06.890
I highly encourage you to sign up for one of

00:26:06.890 --> 00:26:09.710
our meetings, sit in, and listen to the real

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stories from real people in the hobby. I'm glad

00:26:12.869 --> 00:26:17.180
you have them. Are those recorded? No. Out of

00:26:17.180 --> 00:26:19.819
the safety and privacy of our community, our

00:26:19.819 --> 00:26:22.680
weekly peer support meetings are not recorded.

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If I were to join, could I use some of those

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as anonymous and just some of the stories that

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I hear from there? I think it's important to

00:26:32.180 --> 00:26:34.460
get them out. Whatever you want. I would just

00:26:34.460 --> 00:26:39.420
encourage you to be respectful. Would you be

00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:42.539
okay with me sharing some of what I heard? Yeah,

00:26:43.299 --> 00:26:45.339
you could share whatever you'd like as long as

00:26:45.339 --> 00:26:47.549
you're not, you know. calling anybody out or

00:26:47.549 --> 00:26:50.670
naming anybody by name. There is a waiver that

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you have to sign before joining the meetings

00:26:52.369 --> 00:26:54.990
that sort of highlights all of those details.

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I would be very interested to be on a fly in

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a wall on one of those meetings. Yeah, I mean,

00:27:00.569 --> 00:27:03.769
we've had people join from the hobby who, whether

00:27:03.769 --> 00:27:05.910
it be somebody whose podcast I was on or vice

00:27:05.910 --> 00:27:08.950
versa, people who are just genuinely intrigued

00:27:08.950 --> 00:27:12.269
or interested in learning what's going on behind

00:27:12.269 --> 00:27:14.509
the scenes, the people that are really struggling.

00:27:15.159 --> 00:27:17.740
And you'd be floored at some of these stories,

00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:20.599
truly. There are people, and I'll tell you a

00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.980
story right now. There are people who have nearly

00:27:23.980 --> 00:27:28.420
lost their lives. There are people who have had

00:27:28.420 --> 00:27:33.579
to sell their homes, their cars, lose custody.

00:27:33.579 --> 00:27:35.900
In what way nearly lost their lives? Lose custody

00:27:35.900 --> 00:27:38.380
of their children. Oh, all sorts of things. I

00:27:38.380 --> 00:27:40.839
mean, we're talking about people that end up.

00:27:41.049 --> 00:27:44.069
because of what they're going through. I mean,

00:27:44.069 --> 00:27:48.769
this is no joke. Absolutely. Brandon, no, or

00:27:48.769 --> 00:27:51.549
sorry, Charles. I don't know. So Brandon, he

00:27:51.549 --> 00:27:53.670
was my Brandon, but he's Charles on here, so.

00:27:53.849 --> 00:27:55.950
I go by Collector Charles on YouTube and everything.

00:27:56.289 --> 00:27:58.690
What a snake. I go by Brandon outside of my life.

00:27:58.710 --> 00:28:02.470
It's fine. So Charles gets it. Yeah, I mean,

00:28:02.549 --> 00:28:05.509
they're all walks of life. And you're talking

00:28:05.509 --> 00:28:07.849
about people losing possibly their wife or their

00:28:07.849 --> 00:28:11.359
husband or, you know. Losing your house? It's

00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.960
men and women. Why do you think I speak out about

00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:17.059
this bullshit? This is exactly the reason why

00:28:17.059 --> 00:28:19.900
I've been speaking out for two years on YouTube.

00:28:20.180 --> 00:28:23.720
It's because people don't see the damage. It's

00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.980
all smoke and mirrors and all joy and a bunch

00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:29.000
of fun and games. And I know that this shit is

00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:32.059
happening because it happened to me. Not in sports

00:28:32.059 --> 00:28:35.519
cards per se, but I was a big poker player before

00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:41.700
I was 21 years old, okay? I had a $10 ,000 credit

00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:46.880
limit at Caesars Palace for free rooms and all

00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:49.759
I could eat and get a room anytime I wanted at

00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.859
Caesars. This is before I was 21 years old. I

00:28:53.859 --> 00:28:56.720
had a fake ID. I had worked my way up from when

00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.180
I was 19 years old. I went to Las Vegas and played

00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:04.339
poker. This was seven -card stud back then. Hold

00:29:04.339 --> 00:29:08.470
'em had just kind of started. I won. 20 times

00:29:08.470 --> 00:29:12.289
in a row. I'd go every two weeks. I lived three

00:29:12.289 --> 00:29:14.809
hours from there. So I would drive up there.

00:29:14.970 --> 00:29:18.309
Here I am. I'm sitting at a poker table playing

00:29:18.309 --> 00:29:22.910
$30 and $60 limit with Pugsy fucking Pearson,

00:29:23.150 --> 00:29:26.930
Doyle Brunson, and Amarillo Slim at the same

00:29:26.930 --> 00:29:31.670
fucking table. And me. You can only imagine how

00:29:31.670 --> 00:29:35.119
young I looked. It was ridiculous. I would get

00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:40.059
my cigar, my 10X Beaver hat, Stetson, and I would

00:29:40.059 --> 00:29:42.759
hit cards, hands I had no business being in,

00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:46.539
and just dumbass luck. But then, what do you

00:29:46.539 --> 00:29:48.920
think happened? The way I would do it is I'd

00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.700
go there, I'd sign out for chips at the blackjack

00:29:52.700 --> 00:29:55.619
table. So I'd get $5 ,000 at the blackjack table.

00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.119
This was before they ever knew. Now they know

00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:03.240
every quarter you spend there, they know. Back

00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.099
then, they couldn't track you. So I would play

00:30:05.099 --> 00:30:08.759
$100 hand. I'd win, lose, play two hands, win

00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:11.380
or lose. I'd take all the cash, put it in my

00:30:11.380 --> 00:30:14.140
pocket, and go straight to the poker room. I'd

00:30:14.140 --> 00:30:18.000
play like in a 5 to 10 limit. Regenerate. I was

00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.700
a degenerate pretty much. But I didn't lose.

00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:23.920
But guess what? Your luck runs out. When you

00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.099
start getting in debt, $10 ,000. Well, I would

00:30:27.099 --> 00:30:31.349
come home after with $8 ,000. with $15 ,000 and

00:30:31.349 --> 00:30:34.009
then I would pay my bill off and you would show

00:30:34.009 --> 00:30:37.190
a $10 ,000 loss every month. And sky was the

00:30:37.190 --> 00:30:40.970
limit for you. But when you lost, and I was just

00:30:40.970 --> 00:30:43.430
working a regular job making $8 an hour, you

00:30:43.430 --> 00:30:46.650
know, working at like a lumber city or a hardware

00:30:46.650 --> 00:30:48.829
store out here as a kid going through college.

00:30:49.369 --> 00:30:52.809
And then I got married. And yeah, it definitely

00:30:52.809 --> 00:30:57.990
made an impact on my life. But also I had to

00:30:57.990 --> 00:31:01.900
learn. To quit completely. And I was also collecting

00:31:01.900 --> 00:31:04.619
sports cards. And I quit sports cards. And I

00:31:04.619 --> 00:31:07.640
quit everything at once. To try to get out of

00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.279
debt. It took me five years to get out of debt.

00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.480
For $10 ,000 back then. It's hard. That was back

00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:17.599
then. Now these guys are just spending money.

00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:22.019
This is why I speak out about it. Because I feel

00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:25.700
that I had a problem back then. But then I never

00:31:25.700 --> 00:31:29.150
bet. or they didn't have all these apps. It wasn't

00:31:29.150 --> 00:31:31.910
so easy. I had a friend that was spending 20,

00:31:31.910 --> 00:31:35.309
he would bet $25 a game in football. You got

00:31:35.309 --> 00:31:38.930
14, 15 games every week. He was down like $5

00:31:38.930 --> 00:31:41.630
,000 in like three months. Oh, and the way the

00:31:41.630 --> 00:31:43.710
books work now is if you prove to them, you're

00:31:43.710 --> 00:31:45.309
a winning player. Well, guess what? They either

00:31:45.309 --> 00:31:49.029
cut you off or they, they really limit your play.

00:31:49.130 --> 00:31:51.250
They're not trying to, they know who's the losers

00:31:51.250 --> 00:31:53.589
and winners and the winners are rare, especially

00:31:53.589 --> 00:31:56.109
at the sports book. And if you do it, if I gamble,

00:31:56.250 --> 00:31:59.650
if I gamble a hundred dollars. But I do have,

00:31:59.670 --> 00:32:01.650
I do want to go some, I do want, go ahead, go

00:32:01.650 --> 00:32:03.029
ahead. I have something. No, no, you run on the

00:32:03.029 --> 00:32:04.869
show, but I just wanted people to know that story

00:32:04.869 --> 00:32:06.529
about me because a lot of people haven't heard

00:32:06.529 --> 00:32:09.210
it before. But I mean, and this is why I speak

00:32:09.210 --> 00:32:13.269
passionately about it. The problem I have, the

00:32:13.269 --> 00:32:15.349
bit, and I, you know, I'm going to, I'm going

00:32:15.349 --> 00:32:16.990
to, Alyx, I don't know if you like this, but

00:32:16.990 --> 00:32:21.289
I think the marketing is, is one is you said

00:32:21.289 --> 00:32:23.170
you were in advertising. So the marketing on

00:32:23.170 --> 00:32:26.130
some of this stuff is disgusting. I'm a PR journalism

00:32:26.130 --> 00:32:30.569
major. Some of this is so gross. And that's what

00:32:30.569 --> 00:32:33.509
the people see. That's how it's marketed. That's

00:32:33.509 --> 00:32:35.950
what you're seeing. And to me, Arena Club is

00:32:35.950 --> 00:32:37.730
one of the culprits and there's many others.

00:32:38.109 --> 00:32:40.410
It's just push. As you mentioned, shove down

00:32:40.410 --> 00:32:42.710
our throat. And that's through content. That's

00:32:42.710 --> 00:32:45.950
through the marketing. And I despise it. And

00:32:45.950 --> 00:32:48.390
that's a lot of what inspires me is I really

00:32:48.390 --> 00:32:51.910
despise the marketing, which then leads to people

00:32:51.910 --> 00:32:54.269
finding you. But it's the marketing that helps

00:32:54.269 --> 00:32:58.059
push this whole problem. Yeah. The problem is

00:32:58.059 --> 00:33:00.299
there's no regulation on any of it, including

00:33:00.299 --> 00:33:02.819
the marketing and advertising. So Arena Club

00:33:02.819 --> 00:33:05.640
can send out these predatory emails and nobody's

00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.700
going to be accountable. So I really quickly

00:33:08.700 --> 00:33:10.920
guys want to address something because the chat

00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.559
is going, you know, running rampant, obviously

00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.220
with Geoff and we just did partner with market

00:33:16.220 --> 00:33:18.640
movers. And so I want to answer a question that

00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:21.930
somebody had asked earlier. I don't know who

00:33:21.930 --> 00:33:23.970
asked this question. I just copied and pasted

00:33:23.970 --> 00:33:26.470
it. But he said, Alyx, how much influence does

00:33:26.470 --> 00:33:29.029
Geoff have on young collectors, especially with

00:33:29.029 --> 00:33:32.710
the gambling -like side of ripping packs? Could

00:33:32.710 --> 00:33:35.349
his content be pushing some kids toward unhealthy

00:33:35.349 --> 00:33:38.990
habits in the hobby? And so that is a great question.

00:33:39.210 --> 00:33:42.309
And the honest answer is yes. Yes. All right.

00:33:42.329 --> 00:33:44.609
You are truthful then. I'm glad you said that.

00:33:44.609 --> 00:33:48.119
Geoff absolutely has influence. This isn't just

00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:50.039
about Geoff. This isn't just the Geoff. He's not

00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.839
helping. Geoff is one of the most visible faces

00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.440
in the hobby and young collectors absolutely

00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:59.099
model what they see. So when a creator has that

00:33:59.099 --> 00:34:01.619
kind of reach, their tone, their pacing and framing,

00:34:01.619 --> 00:34:05.240
especially when ripping is presented as nonstop

00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.140
excitement, the big hits, the emotional highs,

00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.920
right? So for young collectors who are still

00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:12.719
forming these habits, that can blur the line

00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.920
between entertainment and behavior. to emulate,

00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.699
right? So the chase, the suspense, the celebration

00:34:18.699 --> 00:34:21.760
of the big pull, all of that can condition the

00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.920
idea that more ripping equals more fulfillment.

00:34:26.139 --> 00:34:29.659
That said, and this is the important part, zooming

00:34:29.659 --> 00:34:32.099
out, this is really about the ecosystem, not

00:34:32.099 --> 00:34:35.130
one individual. Geoff is operating inside a structure

00:34:35.130 --> 00:34:38.650
that, that rewards society right now. The high

00:34:38.650 --> 00:34:42.070
energy. Yeah, it absolutely is. But to give Geoff

00:34:42.070 --> 00:34:45.909
a pass, I think it's a reflection of society.

00:34:46.130 --> 00:34:49.690
So let me just finish. Geoff is operating in this,

00:34:49.690 --> 00:34:53.710
in this system that rewards high energy, ripping

00:34:53.710 --> 00:34:57.269
content, dramatic reactions, and constant openings.

00:34:58.450 --> 00:35:01.269
Platforms, algorithms, breakers, the sponsors,

00:35:01.710 --> 00:35:05.130
the marketplaces, they all benefit from making

00:35:05.130 --> 00:35:07.349
ripping feel like the heartbeat of the hobby.

00:35:07.489 --> 00:35:09.889
So while creators like Geoff do shape perception,

00:35:10.269 --> 00:35:13.250
they also are a part of a much larger machine.

00:35:13.710 --> 00:35:16.590
No, they are the machine. They are the fucking

00:35:16.590 --> 00:35:19.969
machine. And emotional hooks. Geoff started it

00:35:19.969 --> 00:35:22.789
five years ago. The real concern isn't, is Geoff

00:35:22.789 --> 00:35:25.210
corrupting kids? It's what happens when the most

00:35:25.210 --> 00:35:28.539
visible version of the hobby becomes. non -stop

00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:31.340
high stakes ripping instead of intentional collecting.

00:35:31.380 --> 00:35:33.340
Well, that's what it is now. That's what we're

00:35:33.340 --> 00:35:35.579
looking at right now. We're in the thick of it.

00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.980
Right. So that's where Collectors MD steps in.

00:35:38.219 --> 00:35:41.380
We're not here to. I don't think Geoff does. I

00:35:41.380 --> 00:35:43.159
mean, I think it's a great thing. I mean, if

00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.940
you can get them to gear it back a little, like

00:35:45.940 --> 00:35:48.400
you're down big shifter. Right. I mean, like,

00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.139
at least like, look at what you're doing. Make

00:35:51.139 --> 00:35:53.780
a plan. Does that provide extra money for you

00:35:53.780 --> 00:35:56.900
to operate the business? Hopefully there's a

00:35:56.900 --> 00:35:58.780
reason you did partner with them in order to

00:35:58.780 --> 00:36:02.980
spread this bigger. Exactly. The biggest thing

00:36:02.980 --> 00:36:05.960
here is that we're not here to... endorse or

00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.059
villainize anyone especially creators or influencers

00:36:09.059 --> 00:36:12.039
we're here to broaden the narrative to remind

00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.380
people that collecting isn't just about the rip

00:36:14.380 --> 00:36:17.139
it's about things like purpose connection pacing

00:36:17.139 --> 00:36:20.460
sustainability and that's especially important

00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:23.460
for these young impressionable people you don't

00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:25.599
think all that content that's opposite of that

00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.420
is a huge problem i mean let's not just say Geoff

00:36:28.420 --> 00:36:31.179
there's a dozen other 50 other people doing this

00:36:31.179 --> 00:36:36.650
to me that is press media content is very very

00:36:36.650 --> 00:36:39.809
it's bigger than people understand it has a big

00:36:39.809 --> 00:36:42.670
influence and so to me a lot of the problem is

00:36:42.670 --> 00:36:45.170
how it's pushed because people have businesses

00:36:45.170 --> 00:36:48.710
that they want those businesses to work and so

00:36:48.710 --> 00:36:50.789
how do they do that at least Alyx has his foot

00:36:50.789 --> 00:36:54.150
in the door and he has some eyeballs on it and

00:36:54.150 --> 00:36:56.929
he what he is doing a great job and he is the

00:36:56.929 --> 00:36:59.710
uh the warning sign on the side of cigarettes

00:36:59.710 --> 00:37:03.769
instead make may cause cancer so Geoff is also

00:37:03.769 --> 00:37:07.170
the first individual that I've spoken with in

00:37:07.170 --> 00:37:09.710
the hobby as an industry leader who has said,

00:37:09.769 --> 00:37:12.090
you know what? You're right. Everything you're

00:37:12.090 --> 00:37:14.650
doing makes sense. Let's endorse this message

00:37:14.650 --> 00:37:17.750
and layer it into our ecosystem. So if you can

00:37:17.750 --> 00:37:20.070
bring me another car group influencer breaker

00:37:20.070 --> 00:37:24.849
who is willing to put Rip responsibly on as a

00:37:24.849 --> 00:37:27.190
disclaimer on their content. Is that what he's

00:37:27.190 --> 00:37:29.210
actually going to do? Is that really going to

00:37:29.210 --> 00:37:32.500
happen? Give me one sec. Well, you have it there.

00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:34.719
I want to see it on everything. I don't buy it.

00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.079
Maybe get in with Gio. Gio's a friend of the

00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.420
show. Today, actually, these are samples, but

00:37:41.420 --> 00:37:43.659
they're basically, I don't think you can see

00:37:43.659 --> 00:37:46.400
it. Rip responsibly. So these are going to be

00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.320
brake mats that are rolling out across the hobby

00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.500
in the coming months. And they will be co -branded

00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:55.059
with Cards HQ, amongst a few other shops that

00:37:55.059 --> 00:37:56.719
we're rolling out this campaign with. But the

00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:59.699
idea here is that you see 1 -800 -GAMBLER on

00:37:59.699 --> 00:38:02.099
a gambling ad, right? They're not endorsing that

00:38:02.099 --> 00:38:04.239
message. They're just acknowledging that there's

00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:06.199
a problem and that they're there for people who

00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:08.300
need the support. That's what Collectors MD is

00:38:08.300 --> 00:38:10.280
to the hobby. So for those of you who are asking,

00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:15.019
oh, is there a Collectors Anonymous or some sort

00:38:15.019 --> 00:38:20.280
of recovery program or group for the hobby? Yes,

00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:22.039
there is. It's called Collectors MD and we're

00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:26.849
here to help you. Are you a doctor or do you

00:38:26.849 --> 00:38:29.989
have doctors? No, we said he didn't have. Actually,

00:38:29.989 --> 00:38:34.670
they partner with, I think there's like three

00:38:34.670 --> 00:38:37.110
or four accredited doctors that are therapists

00:38:37.110 --> 00:38:39.389
and that specialize in this kind of behavior.

00:38:40.150 --> 00:38:43.690
Facilities as well. In the beginning of the conversation

00:38:43.690 --> 00:38:47.309
before you guys join. Yeah. They're used as references

00:38:47.309 --> 00:38:49.650
because, like Alyx said, he's not a registered

00:38:49.650 --> 00:38:51.909
doctor. Neither am I, obviously. But there are

00:38:51.909 --> 00:38:54.190
those. It just seems like on YouTube, everybody's

00:38:54.190 --> 00:38:57.030
a doctor. Dr. Beckett, Dr. Carlos. Everyone's

00:38:57.030 --> 00:39:00.449
an expert. Dr. that guy. So I don't know. Yeah,

00:39:00.510 --> 00:39:02.489
I was hoping you'd have credentials, but it sounds

00:39:02.489 --> 00:39:04.170
like you've done the right thing with partners

00:39:04.170 --> 00:39:07.829
and some options for people to go to that can

00:39:07.829 --> 00:39:09.929
help. I like the fact that you do have meetings.

00:39:10.809 --> 00:39:12.690
Don't love that you partnered with SportsCard

00:39:12.690 --> 00:39:15.349
HQ, but it'll get your brand out there, hopefully.

00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:18.440
more well the hobby really needs you and you

00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:22.380
know so i think that like me i'm always cynical

00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:25.179
before i buy into anything but i mean the hobby

00:39:25.179 --> 00:39:28.119
is really your boy Orlando you know Orlando he's

00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.440
partnering with the car drug dealers it's it's

00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.900
kind of the dirty business it's it's he's not

00:39:34.900 --> 00:39:41.760
wrong but it helps endorse draft kings and fan

00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.179
duel and the behavior that goes on mine i think

00:39:44.179 --> 00:39:46.539
i like that though i mean everybody is doing

00:39:46.539 --> 00:39:49.539
that everybody from the not everybody's um well

00:39:49.539 --> 00:39:52.500
you go to like like watch dodger content and

00:39:52.500 --> 00:39:54.800
you've got like five or six different yeah you

00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.989
know uh People that are doing that and everybody

00:39:57.989 --> 00:40:00.590
sponsored by Arena Club. I got to listen to all

00:40:00.590 --> 00:40:03.670
their bullshit and, and a fan duel and the other

00:40:03.670 --> 00:40:06.030
draft Kings. And then, I mean, you've got the

00:40:06.030 --> 00:40:11.489
NBA. Look what's going on with gambling and the

00:40:11.489 --> 00:40:15.230
sports clubs right now. There are class action

00:40:15.230 --> 00:40:18.070
lawsuits that exist at the moment against the

00:40:18.070 --> 00:40:19.949
hobby. We don't have anything to do with those

00:40:19.949 --> 00:40:22.409
things. That's out of our jurisdiction. But there

00:40:22.409 --> 00:40:24.710
are folks that if you wanted to, you could go

00:40:24.710 --> 00:40:27.190
to your local legislator and file a complaint

00:40:27.190 --> 00:40:29.989
about what Mike's talking about. Alyx, do you

00:40:29.989 --> 00:40:31.929
think it could ever come? Because it took a long

00:40:31.929 --> 00:40:33.849
time with cigarette companies, alcohol companies,

00:40:33.929 --> 00:40:36.099
but there's no. Excuse me. We used to see those

00:40:36.099 --> 00:40:38.500
advertisements all the time. Now, now we don't

00:40:38.500 --> 00:40:42.079
gambling legally is somewhat new. I mean, six,

00:40:42.300 --> 00:40:44.800
seven, eight years. So could we become to a point

00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:46.960
at some point where, and I know sports cards

00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:48.619
is not technically gambling, but let's just talk

00:40:48.619 --> 00:40:50.699
gambling ads where maybe it gets banned. Maybe

00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:52.500
they say, Hey, this isn't good for society. We'll

00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:54.800
keep the legal gambling, but you can no longer

00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.559
have all these gambling billboards ads on everything.

00:40:58.340 --> 00:41:01.019
I've been talking to any and everybody in this

00:41:01.019 --> 00:41:04.250
space for the last eight months about this. Yes,

00:41:04.250 --> 00:41:08.170
those sort of things are absolutely at play.

00:41:08.349 --> 00:41:15.250
And the hobby is in danger of major changes,

00:41:15.570 --> 00:41:19.150
major adjustments from an outside governing body,

00:41:19.329 --> 00:41:21.730
whether that be a gaming commission or an SEC

00:41:21.730 --> 00:41:23.710
-like organization. What do you know? What do

00:41:23.710 --> 00:41:28.309
you know? But we could change that. We can prevent

00:41:28.309 --> 00:41:31.389
that. If we all collectively, proactively...

00:41:32.409 --> 00:41:34.409
make this hobby a safer and more sustainable

00:41:34.409 --> 00:41:36.949
place. But in order to do that, people have to

00:41:36.949 --> 00:41:39.550
get on board. Enough with the trolling and the

00:41:39.550 --> 00:41:41.989
keyboard warriors who just want their name to

00:41:41.989 --> 00:41:45.809
be flashed on a live stream. That's all I want.

00:41:46.050 --> 00:41:48.210
Someone else had a question I wanted to get to.

00:41:48.949 --> 00:41:54.250
I apologize if I'm coming across as defensive

00:41:54.250 --> 00:41:56.829
or abrasive. You've come across great, not informative,

00:41:56.849 --> 00:41:59.449
nothing. We like to have a little fun. You're

00:41:59.449 --> 00:42:01.989
more serious. It's not even a matter of being

00:42:01.989 --> 00:42:04.289
serious. It's just a matter of fans. I'm very

00:42:04.289 --> 00:42:06.190
passionate about this. I wouldn't have you on

00:42:06.190 --> 00:42:08.809
if I didn't appreciate what you were doing. Yeah.

00:42:09.469 --> 00:42:11.369
Like I said, I wouldn't be one of your first

00:42:11.369 --> 00:42:14.230
subscribers, but, but also to like, I go on your

00:42:14.230 --> 00:42:17.130
live streams. I put in chat in there. I mean,

00:42:17.150 --> 00:42:19.150
I do it during my work day or whatever. I never,

00:42:19.190 --> 00:42:22.389
I appreciate that. Here's the question. Isn't

00:42:22.389 --> 00:42:25.010
the entire modern hobby design. Oh, sorry, Rhonda.

00:42:25.030 --> 00:42:26.949
Hold on. Isn't the entire modern hobby designed.

00:42:27.820 --> 00:42:30.920
hey now come on isn't the entire modern hobby

00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.260
designed to create new addicts holy shit i'm

00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:35.300
just gonna read it to you uh it doesn't help

00:42:35.300 --> 00:42:38.019
when so many guys are feeling hopeless uh when

00:42:38.019 --> 00:42:40.599
uh when upper upward mobility i don't know let

00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.139
me just ask that isn't the entire modern hobby

00:42:43.139 --> 00:42:46.320
design modern mind you designed to create new

00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:49.139
addicts yeah it's engineered that way so that

00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:52.480
the powers that be the the folks at the helm

00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:57.699
can uh exploit and monetize in every which way

00:42:57.699 --> 00:43:01.199
possible, which includes your wallet. So yeah,

00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:06.159
that's exactly what it's designed to do. How

00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.219
do you advise people that do want to be in sports

00:43:08.219 --> 00:43:10.719
cards to stay in sports cards and not have it

00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:12.539
be up? Do you advise against breaking? Do you

00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:14.980
advise buying singles? We have two distinct lanes,

00:43:15.260 --> 00:43:17.860
Jason. Collecting with intention, somebody like

00:43:17.860 --> 00:43:21.460
Charles, who embodies that mantra. Somebody who...

00:43:21.460 --> 00:43:24.179
Well, that's new to Charles. And then we have

00:43:24.179 --> 00:43:26.440
another lane for abstinence, folks that just

00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:28.139
can't have a healthy relationship with collecting

00:43:28.139 --> 00:43:31.639
anymore, and they're just making an effort to

00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.199
abstain completely. And we honor and respect

00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.059
those names. Seriously, I think they need to

00:43:36.059 --> 00:43:40.059
stop completely. But I understand this intentional

00:43:40.059 --> 00:43:44.480
collecting first, and then if that doesn't work,

00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.530
I mean... You got to just stop doing what isn't

00:43:47.530 --> 00:43:49.510
working. I mean, it's really that simple. Whether

00:43:49.510 --> 00:43:52.710
you say it's a disease or not. Now, my wife worked

00:43:52.710 --> 00:43:55.510
for Malibu Passages. I'm sure you guys have all

00:43:55.510 --> 00:43:57.710
heard of that. Don't know it. I don't know it.

00:43:57.869 --> 00:44:00.750
Well, it was the biggest drug rehab facility

00:44:00.750 --> 00:44:04.329
in California. And she worked there for 10 years.

00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:07.230
She's, you know, it was a celebrity type place

00:44:07.230 --> 00:44:11.010
here, 30 miles away from me here. The people,

00:44:11.050 --> 00:44:13.230
they were just fucked in the head, those people.

00:44:13.409 --> 00:44:15.670
But really, that's pretty much what he said is

00:44:15.670 --> 00:44:18.190
like, you know, you have underlying conditions.

00:44:18.949 --> 00:44:21.849
That's what it is. It's not so much a disease

00:44:21.849 --> 00:44:27.829
or a, you know, an addiction. There's underlying

00:44:27.829 --> 00:44:31.329
conditions for doing what you're doing. And I

00:44:31.329 --> 00:44:34.969
think what's happening is this get -rich -quick

00:44:34.969 --> 00:44:38.739
society is there's so many people. Young, younger

00:44:38.739 --> 00:44:42.079
people, I think that just haven't hit their stride

00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.960
yet. And they're almost hopeless. Yeah. They

00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.480
see people, they see all this going on there

00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:51.000
and they, they, they think I need to get that

00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.500
big hit. I need to hit that million. It's not

00:44:53.500 --> 00:44:56.860
a collection society for young men. It's a lottery.

00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:00.119
It's a lottery ticket for them. I don't necessarily

00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.840
blame them at their age, but us older people

00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:05.659
have to talk. I mean, I don't know if they don't

00:45:05.659 --> 00:45:09.420
have parents or what. They're lost at that age.

00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.480
Or they don't listen. I think it's a listening

00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.679
problem. The thing is, a lot of compulsive behavior

00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:18.639
is being exacerbated by companies like Arena

00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.039
Club that advertise and they focus on that kind

00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.079
of stuff. And I admit, I'm compulsive about things.

00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:26.539
Like you mentioned your poker boom in the 80s.

00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:29.619
I played online poker. I played online poker

00:45:29.619 --> 00:45:32.900
because you're getting scammed on that. I was

00:45:32.900 --> 00:45:34.659
in there with Phil Hellman. Yes, you were. You

00:45:34.659 --> 00:45:37.539
know, those guys, you know, poker stars, Full

00:45:37.539 --> 00:45:39.460
Tilt. I actually got money from Full Tilt because

00:45:39.460 --> 00:45:42.679
I was actually being cheated. Took a while. Yeah.

00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.380
So I get that. I get that whole perspective,

00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.019
too. So that's why I lean on Collectors MD and

00:45:50.019 --> 00:45:54.670
the message I get across. you know it's yeah

00:45:54.670 --> 00:45:56.590
i knew Market Movers would be one of those it's

00:45:56.590 --> 00:45:58.389
like okay and Charles what's part of the problem

00:45:58.389 --> 00:46:00.670
is not everyone's our age so if you imagine you're

00:46:00.670 --> 00:46:04.630
18 20 21 it's harder to you found out you know

00:46:04.630 --> 00:46:07.369
in five three six months whatever it's been you

00:46:07.369 --> 00:46:10.530
saw through it pretty quickly but yeah that younger

00:46:10.530 --> 00:46:13.050
generation is not seeing through it they're watching

00:46:13.050 --> 00:46:16.400
because they they might have money like from

00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.079
crypto or whatever so they got or no money at

00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.880
all come on well they might have credit but they

00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:23.840
might have a lot of different ways of obtaining

00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:25.860
money and that kind of thing a lot easier than

00:46:25.860 --> 00:46:27.880
it used to be like even 20 years ago when i was

00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.719
in college or when Petty was in the 80s you know

00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.400
cash was king in the 80s plastic started being

00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:36.500
king back in 2005 and 6 when i was when i was

00:46:36.500 --> 00:46:38.960
in the chat has a few more questions for Alyx

00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:40.579
Charles where did you want to go because you've

00:46:40.579 --> 00:46:42.099
been quiet for a minute where did you want to

00:46:42.099 --> 00:46:44.039
go with it i was just going to say like i see

00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.239
a lot of the People like Dan, you know, big boomer

00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:49.719
energy, like, come on, man. You know, we don't,

00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.940
I don't think we're even with Arena Club. We're

00:46:51.940 --> 00:46:54.340
with Market Movers. We have a Card Ladders, one

00:46:54.340 --> 00:46:57.659
of our partners too. So it's not just, you know,

00:46:57.659 --> 00:46:59.079
singling them out. We're trying to work with

00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:02.079
any of the people that a lot of folks use card

00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:04.780
ladder to comp their prices out. You know, why

00:47:04.780 --> 00:47:06.639
not help? Like, hey, so if you're collecting,

00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.940
you're trying. It's also it's also who knows

00:47:09.940 --> 00:47:12.880
what the right way to do here. Just a couple

00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.800
of questions they had for. Where's another one?

00:47:15.820 --> 00:47:17.940
Let's see. Alyx, do you think sports card companies

00:47:17.940 --> 00:47:22.739
should put Gamp Gamp? Ronda Ronda. She's the

00:47:22.739 --> 00:47:26.210
best. Let's see. Let me see. I have it. I could

00:47:26.210 --> 00:47:27.570
read it if you want. Do you think sports car

00:47:27.570 --> 00:47:29.309
companies should be put gambling -style warning

00:47:29.309 --> 00:47:32.550
labels on their packs? Should breakers have gambling

00:47:32.550 --> 00:47:37.250
warnings on their live breaks? Yeah, so this

00:47:37.250 --> 00:47:39.550
is a really important question, and I think the

00:47:39.550 --> 00:47:45.269
answer lives in the gray area. So do sports cards

00:47:45.269 --> 00:47:50.849
equal gambling in the legal sense? No. Do modern

00:47:50.849 --> 00:47:53.690
ripping and live breaking function like gambling?

00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:58.280
like do so psychologically? Yes. So when you

00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:02.219
look at what's happening on, on Whatnot and Fanatics

00:48:02.219 --> 00:48:05.280
Live and social media breaker, live streams,

00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:08.079
the, the countdown timers, the bid, bid, bid,

00:48:08.139 --> 00:48:12.599
the sudden death spins, the mystery boxes. It's

00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:16.280
just, it's hard to ignore the similarity to these

00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.619
casino mechanics. Right. And so, well, because

00:48:20.619 --> 00:48:24.860
it is. Yeah, because it is. So, yes, the gambling

00:48:24.860 --> 00:48:29.900
style warning labels need to be somewhere. If

00:48:29.900 --> 00:48:34.159
that means on packs, I don't know, because that,

00:48:34.219 --> 00:48:38.079
you know, Fanatics and Panini and these other

00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:42.500
companies that produce the product have the most

00:48:42.500 --> 00:48:46.579
fleshed out legal teams you could possibly imagine.

00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:49.360
They've gone through the ringer for decades now

00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.260
over this, and they do put some sort of disclaimer

00:48:52.260 --> 00:48:55.139
about odds on the packs. So that is definitely

00:48:55.139 --> 00:49:02.539
an area that opposing parties have tried to fight

00:49:02.539 --> 00:49:05.099
against for a long time. Again, that's out of

00:49:05.099 --> 00:49:08.840
my jurisdiction. What we can do is put that responsible

00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:11.599
messaging, the disclaimers, the warning signs

00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.320
in strategic places that can reach the individuals

00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:19.949
who are firsthand consuming the content or they

00:49:19.949 --> 00:49:24.670
won't keep going. And that includes, yeah, that,

00:49:24.750 --> 00:49:26.469
that includes breakers. So his other question

00:49:26.469 --> 00:49:27.989
was, should breakers have gambling warnings on

00:49:27.989 --> 00:49:29.849
their live breaks? And yes, that's exactly what

00:49:29.849 --> 00:49:32.010
I just showed you with the rip responsibly a

00:49:32.010 --> 00:49:34.030
card mat. We're also going to be doing card stands

00:49:34.030 --> 00:49:40.190
and backdrops. At least they have somewhere to

00:49:40.190 --> 00:49:43.030
turn or they can see a, or, you know, where it

00:49:43.030 --> 00:49:47.469
drives the thought in their brain head. that,

00:49:47.570 --> 00:49:50.190
hey, maybe I have a problem when it comes time

00:49:50.190 --> 00:49:53.989
to pay in their next credit card bill. Another

00:49:53.989 --> 00:49:55.769
question from, and I don't know if there's any

00:49:55.769 --> 00:49:57.989
truth, is Dan Vintage Baseball. Did Collector

00:49:57.989 --> 00:50:01.510
MB talk about his bankruptcy and giving his debtors

00:50:01.510 --> 00:50:03.809
penny on the dollars? I don't know anything about

00:50:03.809 --> 00:50:05.130
that story. I don't know if you want to go into

00:50:05.130 --> 00:50:06.769
that story. Is there truth to that story? I have

00:50:06.769 --> 00:50:09.690
no clue about any of that. Yeah, so this is something

00:50:09.690 --> 00:50:13.889
I talk about on my podcast in our weekly meetings.

00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.320
I, again, am a recovering gambling addict. I

00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.579
just like I wear my heart on my sleeve. I talk

00:50:20.579 --> 00:50:22.320
about this stuff. The reason why I'm doing what

00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:24.820
I'm doing is because of my own lived experience,

00:50:25.099 --> 00:50:29.920
my transgressions, my mistakes, the fallout that

00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:33.420
was created from my actions. And so I'm paying

00:50:33.420 --> 00:50:36.619
it forward now through what I'm doing. So anything

00:50:36.619 --> 00:50:41.159
that I've experienced. What exactly happened?

00:50:41.260 --> 00:50:44.639
What what what happened with that? I was in a

00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.320
boatload of debt. Oh, you, your purse. Oh, so

00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:49.780
you shared that story. This is a personal. Yeah.

00:50:49.780 --> 00:50:52.719
I don't know how that person, you know, obviously

00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:54.699
this is all public information. If somebody files

00:50:54.699 --> 00:50:57.380
for bankruptcy, you can pull that up on Google,

00:50:57.420 --> 00:51:00.820
but I had a gambling problem. It led to me having

00:51:00.820 --> 00:51:07.019
to file for bankruptcy. I am 100 % that isn't

00:51:07.019 --> 00:51:10.280
news to anybody in our community. Like, so again,

00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.570
like there's nothing. about me or my past that

00:51:14.570 --> 00:51:17.789
i don't already talk about is it a 12 -step program

00:51:17.789 --> 00:51:22.389
yes we have a full -fledged recovery guide with

00:51:22.389 --> 00:51:27.269
12 steps uh what are the first few steps can

00:51:27.269 --> 00:51:31.090
i share my screen again yeah it'll be funny with

00:51:31.090 --> 00:51:33.789
four of us let's see how that works all right

00:51:33.789 --> 00:51:36.590
share this tab instead i have to let's see add

00:51:36.590 --> 00:51:41.480
to stage okay This is our recovery guide, which

00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:46.059
is adapted from the GA yellow book. And so the

00:51:46.059 --> 00:51:50.300
12 steps are right here. Again, these are 12

00:51:50.300 --> 00:51:53.000
steps rewritten for Collectors MD through this

00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:56.039
recovery guide during every single weekly peer

00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:59.280
support meeting. It's intended to be used as

00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.539
a foundation for our recovery. And so number

00:52:02.539 --> 00:52:04.559
one is we admitted that our spending or collecting

00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:06.659
and taking control of our lives in ways we couldn't

00:52:06.659 --> 00:52:09.710
ignore. We began to believe that with real support,

00:52:09.869 --> 00:52:12.170
we could find peace again. We committed to asking

00:52:12.170 --> 00:52:14.150
for help and opening ourselves up to community

00:52:14.150 --> 00:52:16.869
-based recovery. I don't know if you want me

00:52:16.869 --> 00:52:19.670
to read all 12, but... No, it's fucking hilarious.

00:52:19.789 --> 00:52:21.909
I'm sorry. It's not a big 12 -step guy, but that

00:52:21.909 --> 00:52:24.150
is that, hey, however you got to do it, man.

00:52:24.230 --> 00:52:26.250
I hope you're doing good. You know, it seems

00:52:26.250 --> 00:52:28.230
like you're doing good work. Is this kind of

00:52:28.230 --> 00:52:29.150
stuff for you? Why don't you just tell these

00:52:29.150 --> 00:52:31.670
fucking idiots, stop doing what isn't working.

00:52:32.380 --> 00:52:34.900
I'm not even paying attention to the chat. I'm

00:52:34.900 --> 00:52:36.900
sure everybody has an opinion. I've tried to

00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:39.340
ask some of the questions. Doesn't it make sense?

00:52:39.340 --> 00:52:42.179
Stop doing what isn't working? It's worked for

00:52:42.179 --> 00:52:47.539
me. Stop buying brakes. Like I said, every time

00:52:47.539 --> 00:52:51.159
things are not working for me, I look back to

00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:57.940
that. I learned that in 1980. You know, my life

00:52:57.940 --> 00:53:00.179
has been a roller coaster and I was bankrupt

00:53:00.179 --> 00:53:04.780
myself in 1994 after a divorce. So I and I sold

00:53:04.780 --> 00:53:07.699
I had baseball cards. My wife supported that.

00:53:07.820 --> 00:53:11.360
I had sets from the 60s. And, you know, and I

00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:14.860
was lucky enough to keep those. And it helped

00:53:14.860 --> 00:53:18.780
me through my bankruptcy, actually. And, you

00:53:18.780 --> 00:53:22.070
know, and. I never had never seeked any treatment

00:53:22.070 --> 00:53:24.989
for my gambling addiction, but I stopped going

00:53:24.989 --> 00:53:28.750
to Vegas. I paid my debt off. And then, then

00:53:28.750 --> 00:53:31.250
once I have to stop, I mean, you have to stop.

00:53:31.670 --> 00:53:34.469
Once you're divorced, you know, shit hits the

00:53:34.469 --> 00:53:36.789
fan and a lot of people go bankrupt during it.

00:53:37.070 --> 00:53:40.730
You know, anybody, anybody who is, you know,

00:53:40.730 --> 00:53:43.989
thrown shade or making light of this serious

00:53:43.989 --> 00:53:46.619
topic. Like, Oh yeah. I mean, it's all good.

00:53:46.860 --> 00:53:50.000
More power to you. Like it's completely fine.

00:53:50.139 --> 00:53:52.480
The fact of the matter is we are helping people.

00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.500
And the other thing, you know, Alyx is that 10

00:53:55.500 --> 00:53:58.400
years ago, prices weren't the same. So people

00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.699
are losing bit, you know, it's rates. We're talking

00:54:00.699 --> 00:54:03.420
about real money. You're not buying $150 box.

00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:05.579
You're not buying a $20 break spot. People are

00:54:05.579 --> 00:54:08.800
spending. The money aspect of it has gotten out

00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.980
of control. It's a different beast today than

00:54:11.980 --> 00:54:14.719
it was a decade ago. The prices of this stuff.

00:54:14.780 --> 00:54:17.300
Gio asked the question, so is Geoff going to be

00:54:17.300 --> 00:54:19.119
changing his messaging and including warnings

00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:23.619
now also? My skeptical brain, Alyx, is I want

00:54:23.619 --> 00:54:27.900
to see those mats actually being used. I'll believe

00:54:27.900 --> 00:54:30.179
it when I see it. We're officially rolling out,

00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:32.639
we're formally rolling out the campaign with

00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.739
Cards HQ in December. It'll be used at the World

00:54:35.739 --> 00:54:41.159
Series of Breaking next year. I mean, again,

00:54:41.420 --> 00:54:44.199
like, it's not about clout. It's not about popularity.

00:54:44.420 --> 00:54:46.639
No, I want to see them being used. That's all.

00:54:46.739 --> 00:54:48.360
If you can get them to be used, that's great.

00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:50.559
Blowing up my name or anything like that. It's

00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:52.800
about, again, reaching the people that need the

00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:56.079
help, reaching the masses. Yeah, if people see

00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:59.130
it, I just want people to see it. I just want

00:54:59.130 --> 00:55:03.050
people to see it. Do you guys want a quick preview

00:55:03.050 --> 00:55:06.809
of the Cards HQ mat? Yeah, why not? Didn't we

00:55:06.809 --> 00:55:09.250
already have it? That was just the Collectors

00:55:09.250 --> 00:55:12.190
MD. That was with no logo. Not really. I don't

00:55:12.190 --> 00:55:13.349
give a shit what they're doing. That'll take

00:55:13.349 --> 00:55:16.550
two seconds. The thing is, the reason why it

00:55:16.550 --> 00:55:19.269
works is because Cards HQ uses that. We'll see.

00:55:19.650 --> 00:55:23.570
We'll see if it works. That's the thing. We'll

00:55:23.570 --> 00:55:26.860
see. I also want to see it be used. And I also

00:55:26.860 --> 00:55:29.679
think it's a great message. You're not doing

00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:32.539
what you're doing. And it starts with someone

00:55:32.539 --> 00:55:34.579
like Geoff and we need to get to others, you know,

00:55:34.579 --> 00:55:37.019
like, you know, run good life and his breaks.

00:55:37.059 --> 00:55:39.659
You know, if he gets a lot of people, he has

00:55:39.659 --> 00:55:44.500
a lot of reach. So Gio, Gio, Gio's on board.

00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.039
I already know because you know what, because

00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:50.599
Gio is, you know, he's at least pragmatic and

00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:54.360
practical about the whole situation. Sometimes

00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.239
when it fits his narrative. Sometimes. He makes

00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:01.159
a good living off it. Sports card nonsense. We're

00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:03.460
going to be working with them, too. All right.

00:56:03.460 --> 00:56:08.099
Well, there you go. You're going to go with all

00:56:08.099 --> 00:56:11.639
as he's joining the Gio. Chris and I have been

00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:13.480
in touch and we're talking about doing some great

00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:15.559
things together. Gio's in touch with everybody.

00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:19.639
Gio's going to sell it as soon as he gets another

00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:24.630
million. um yeah we're we're gonna they i didn't

00:56:24.630 --> 00:56:26.590
know this until recently but sports card nonsense

00:56:26.590 --> 00:56:30.769
has the uh licensing for si collectibles and

00:56:30.769 --> 00:56:32.590
so we're talking about a potential partnership

00:56:32.590 --> 00:56:34.969
there to just continue to roll out more content

00:56:34.969 --> 00:56:38.309
it's the right man it's a better message than

00:56:38.309 --> 00:56:40.530
what they're pushing out now so that's good that's

00:56:40.530 --> 00:56:42.869
good is there anything you want you know you've

00:56:42.869 --> 00:56:45.010
been going we'll be almost an hour here uh i

00:56:45.010 --> 00:56:47.429
can stay stay on as long as you want Jason uh

00:56:48.449 --> 00:56:51.050
So you tell me, you know, my last question here

00:56:51.050 --> 00:56:53.670
is how do you compete with already established

00:56:53.670 --> 00:56:56.510
medical community avenues? I mean, there's your

00:56:56.510 --> 00:56:58.690
competition and I know you're focused on just

00:56:58.690 --> 00:57:01.329
cards, but there's Gamblers Anonymous. There's

00:57:01.329 --> 00:57:03.469
there's other things, you know, there's psychiatrists,

00:57:03.469 --> 00:57:05.750
there's therapists. We exist in a completely

00:57:05.750 --> 00:57:08.150
white space. There's nobody else doing what Collectors

00:57:08.150 --> 00:57:12.070
MD is doing to support this gray area of. compulsive

00:57:12.070 --> 00:57:15.090
collecting and overspending and again it's bigger

00:57:15.090 --> 00:57:18.550
than just cards yeah what do you get outside

00:57:18.550 --> 00:57:21.650
of cards what do you yeah so boo boo Charles

00:57:21.650 --> 00:57:23.769
knows we have people that are addicted to art

00:57:23.769 --> 00:57:25.670
we have people that are addicted to sneakers

00:57:25.670 --> 00:57:28.969
we have people that are addicted to nfts and

00:57:28.969 --> 00:57:31.809
gaming and gotcha games and loot boxes and crap

00:57:31.809 --> 00:57:35.469
like that it okay so are you reaching out to

00:57:35.469 --> 00:57:38.130
other audiences besides cards yeah it's a it's

00:57:38.130 --> 00:57:40.170
a corner it's a cacophony of different people

00:57:40.170 --> 00:57:42.869
that come out you know, when different avenues,

00:57:42.969 --> 00:57:45.289
like, like he said, sneaker, you know, collecting

00:57:45.289 --> 00:57:47.369
sneakers is a big thing. Like, how do they find

00:57:47.369 --> 00:57:50.809
you? Are you on? I was immersed in the sneaker

00:57:50.809 --> 00:57:55.389
community for 12 years, 12 plus years at one

00:57:55.389 --> 00:57:57.449
point had over 500 pairs of sneakers. I mean,

00:57:57.469 --> 00:58:00.570
it was out of control. I had a problem back then.

00:58:01.030 --> 00:58:04.449
And then it manifested itself and became gambling.

00:58:04.469 --> 00:58:07.070
And then it became, you know, the hobby and breaking.

00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.920
I had an addictive personality. I'm, like I said,

00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:13.900
a lifelong recovering addict. I think a lot of

00:58:13.900 --> 00:58:16.019
us do. I've embraced that it's a lifelong commitment.

00:58:16.179 --> 00:58:19.900
And so I've devoted my life to this space. And

00:58:19.900 --> 00:58:22.300
it's not just Collectors MD. I also work at a

00:58:22.300 --> 00:58:24.480
local facility called Right Choice Recovery where

00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:26.400
I lead group meetings for gambling addiction

00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.780
on Monday and Tuesday nights. Is this all your

00:58:29.780 --> 00:58:32.320
full -time job or do you also have a job? This

00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:35.050
is my full -time. Hey, good for you. Well, you

00:58:35.050 --> 00:58:37.230
need to smile a little more. Ryan mentioned,

00:58:37.230 --> 00:58:41.289
is there any real data? Any reason why these

00:58:41.289 --> 00:58:43.610
prices are so high? Is that why the hobby's inflated?

00:58:43.730 --> 00:58:45.610
And Ryan, we're not going to answer that now,

00:58:45.690 --> 00:58:47.789
but I think it's the right questions. Rhonda,

00:58:47.809 --> 00:58:49.809
I'm going to try to throw it up for just 30 seconds

00:58:49.809 --> 00:58:51.809
or 20 seconds, but I do think it's the right

00:58:51.809 --> 00:58:53.969
question to ask. Ryan, try one more time. If

00:58:53.969 --> 00:58:58.409
not, so be it. But anyways, I've kind of asked

00:58:58.409 --> 00:59:01.230
all my questions, Alyx. Is there any? avenue

00:59:01.230 --> 00:59:04.309
we didn't go down or we didn't hit that you you

00:59:04.309 --> 00:59:07.309
think's important or you want to share well i

00:59:07.309 --> 00:59:08.989
mean i can answer the question regarding the

00:59:08.989 --> 00:59:11.469
data real quick if he wants well that's it's

00:59:11.469 --> 00:59:14.469
all it's not i don't think there's one answer

00:59:14.469 --> 00:59:16.349
every i've done enough that we talk about this

00:59:16.349 --> 00:59:18.050
every day there isn't there isn't one answer

00:59:18.050 --> 00:59:20.309
you can give us your take you want to stick around

00:59:20.309 --> 00:59:23.139
while i tell you a little bit about showbiz Yeah,

00:59:23.139 --> 00:59:27.380
I just did a piece. So we publish these daily

00:59:27.380 --> 00:59:29.900
reflections every single day, which is basically

00:59:29.900 --> 00:59:32.239
a journal about what's going on in the hobby

00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:35.500
and what we're what we're experiencing. Charles

00:59:35.500 --> 00:59:38.679
has contributed to a handful of them. And so

00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:42.119
we did a piece this week about what's going on

00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:45.119
with the whole shill bidding scandal and saga.

00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:49.239
I think yesterday or the day before. So, yeah,

00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:52.989
it's that's not that's not kosher. So, Petty,

00:59:52.989 --> 00:59:55.130
where did you want to go with that? I wanted

00:59:55.130 --> 00:59:58.150
to talk. The reason I called in an hour ago is

00:59:58.150 --> 01:00:00.730
because I wanted to kind of teach the room a

01:00:00.730 --> 01:00:03.409
little bit about how the shill bidding. Dan and

01:00:03.409 --> 01:00:06.969
Charles, do you want to stay here for this? Okay.

01:00:07.210 --> 01:00:10.090
I have two videos about the shill bidding. Charles

01:00:10.090 --> 01:00:12.230
wants to stay here. Charles wants to push. He

01:00:12.230 --> 01:00:14.150
wants that exposure for his channel. I know.

01:00:14.369 --> 01:00:17.849
I'm going. That's fine. We'll leave it at that.

01:00:17.849 --> 01:00:21.460
You called me. So, yes, let me go check out his

01:00:21.460 --> 01:00:25.139
channel. Go ahead, Mike. Stick around, Alyx.

01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:26.559
I'm going to tell you a little bit about how

01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:28.320
just this show. I'm not going anywhere, Mike.

01:00:28.420 --> 01:00:30.760
Don't worry. All right, man. We love you. All

01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:33.539
right. So July of last year. Real quick, real

01:00:33.539 --> 01:00:36.500
quick, real quick before you start. Goading365

01:00:36.500 --> 01:00:38.199
just said something, and this is something I

01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:40.559
wanted to address. He said Alyx is going to try

01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:43.800
to charge $9 .99 a month for his health. No,

01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.860
we are never, ever, ever going to charge any

01:00:46.860 --> 01:00:50.219
of our members for our service. It is 100 percent,

01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.480
no strings attached, completely free. You have

01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:56.460
access to our meetings, our support, our tools

01:00:56.460 --> 01:00:59.579
and resources, our educational content. Everything

01:00:59.579 --> 01:01:02.599
is free and it will always stay that way. You

01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:05.440
have my word. We will never exploit people who

01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:07.500
are going through the thick of it from a financial,

01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.039
mental and emotional standpoint for their money.

01:01:10.619 --> 01:01:12.599
You have my word. From the bottom of my heart,

01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:16.440
that will never happen. Good. I'll put it to

01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.079
you this way. I want Petty's rant. I want Petty's

01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:20.519
rant. Go ahead, Charles. I'll give you one better.

01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:25.059
If that ever happens, you'll never see me in

01:01:25.059 --> 01:01:26.679
Collectors MD again, and I will come out and

01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:30.079
have a video of that live. I love what you guys

01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:32.320
are doing, and you're passionate about it, and

01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:37.320
you've already lived it. I feel like I could

01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.940
do the same thing if I had a passion for that.

01:01:40.619 --> 01:01:42.960
I've tried to help people by just being a complete

01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:46.179
dick, pretty much, of this hobby and being a

01:01:46.179 --> 01:01:48.960
lightning rod, you know, for a lot of people.

01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:52.139
And I only do this to support other people's

01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:54.260
channels, to be honest with you. I don't have

01:01:54.260 --> 01:01:57.519
my own channel. I don't care to monetize. I don't

01:01:57.519 --> 01:01:58.360
give a shit. No, Penny, I want to get to that

01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:02.199
rant. Okay, here's the rant. Thank you, KK, for

01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:04.980
saying that. Do you get any grant money? Do you

01:02:04.980 --> 01:02:06.780
get any sort of help money? No, we're not set

01:02:06.780 --> 01:02:08.940
up as a nonprofit to answer that question. All

01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:11.139
right. Petty, let's hear this rant. Here we go.

01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:16.900
So everybody knows about Shillstein. For 20 years,

01:02:16.940 --> 01:02:20.039
he's been doing this. It's much the same way

01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:24.559
as what PWCC did, okay? And you have a group

01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:28.980
of card doctors that work around the clock buying

01:02:28.980 --> 01:02:32.380
cards and shilling them on these third -party

01:02:32.380 --> 01:02:37.059
sites. So you had PWCC, which was an eBay company.

01:02:37.769 --> 01:02:41.150
or selling on eBay. You had Probstein on eBay.

01:02:41.409 --> 01:02:45.889
And that's the way it worked originally. The

01:02:45.889 --> 01:02:49.250
card doctors, 10, 15 of these assholes, you're

01:02:49.250 --> 01:02:51.550
starting to see a lot of them now. The Kuntzes,

01:02:51.650 --> 01:02:56.250
the Craigs, the Scissorhands Mosiers. The best

01:02:56.250 --> 01:02:58.929
friends. The list goes on and on. The original

01:02:58.929 --> 01:03:03.219
of all this. Well, the originator was... of shill

01:03:03.219 --> 01:03:07.739
bidding was Mastro, but shill bidding was a fraction

01:03:07.739 --> 01:03:10.500
of what you would see. It was the, it was the

01:03:10.500 --> 01:03:14.139
trimming and then the shilling. And then they

01:03:14.139 --> 01:03:17.880
send it to PSA after the trimming, get a higher

01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:20.480
grade from a three to a seven. They'd increase

01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:25.639
a $50 card to a, to a $3 ,000 card. And that

01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:28.760
was just commonplace for these guys. They all,

01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:32.969
and Shillstein was in on this. Okay. So. I knew

01:03:32.969 --> 01:03:35.349
about Shillstein and basically just wrote him

01:03:35.349 --> 01:03:38.590
off. I tried to block him on eBay as far as like

01:03:38.590 --> 01:03:42.010
a seller, but at some point I couldn't figure

01:03:42.010 --> 01:03:43.789
out how to do it. It was just too difficult.

01:03:43.829 --> 01:03:46.489
They make it really hard on eBay to try to do

01:03:46.489 --> 01:03:53.030
that. So in July of last year, 2024, these Home

01:03:53.030 --> 01:03:55.909
Run Derby cards come up. There's 10 of them on

01:03:55.909 --> 01:04:00.579
Probe Scene. They look like this. and these cards

01:04:00.579 --> 01:04:03.420
were very hard to find, okay? They're really

01:04:03.420 --> 01:04:07.739
pretty rare. Shillstein happens to have 10 of them.

01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:12.960
Maze, the Mantle, you know, all the Hall of Famers,

01:04:12.980 --> 01:04:15.099
the cards I wanted. Everybody's at the National.

01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.440
I think, I'm going to win these cards. I go in

01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:19.039
there, and I know, Charles, you don't really

01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.840
understand the way these snipe bids work, but

01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:26.570
there's programs like Gixxin and... And another

01:04:26.570 --> 01:04:30.789
one I use. Carlstein actually said this on Sports

01:04:30.789 --> 01:04:33.550
Car Dad interview that he used a software to

01:04:33.550 --> 01:04:37.630
snipe bids. Well, he shouldn't be using it. That

01:04:37.630 --> 01:04:40.070
is for collectors like us to use, all right?

01:04:40.090 --> 01:04:43.210
So we use those to put the last 10 -second bid

01:04:43.210 --> 01:04:45.809
in. You put your highest bid, 10 seconds. That's

01:04:45.809 --> 01:04:49.289
why it goes up from 1 ,000 to 3 ,000 at the end

01:04:49.289 --> 01:04:51.849
or whatever happens. You have five guys that

01:04:51.849 --> 01:04:56.130
are, you know, bidding. But my point is, is this

01:04:56.130 --> 01:04:58.469
Willie Mays card that I showed you here, right?

01:04:58.949 --> 01:05:07.030
There was a comp, a PSA 5 for $4 ,750 in 2022.

01:05:07.829 --> 01:05:13.949
There was a comp for $4 ,050 in 2023. So that

01:05:13.949 --> 01:05:18.809
went down $700. So now I'm putting my snipe bid

01:05:18.809 --> 01:05:22.570
in and my highest bid in. On that day, on July

01:05:22.570 --> 01:05:27.909
15th, I see, it was like $58 .50 was my highest

01:05:27.909 --> 01:05:31.250
bid. Now, why should I have to bid $58 .50? Now,

01:05:31.250 --> 01:05:34.949
keep in mind, there's a PSA 5 for a buy it now

01:05:34.949 --> 01:05:39.510
for $7 ,000, okay? So I could click in and buy

01:05:39.510 --> 01:05:42.210
that for $7 ,000 anytime. And I know the guy.

01:05:42.349 --> 01:05:45.570
And I know he wanted $6 ,000 for it. But I wasn't

01:05:45.570 --> 01:05:48.429
going to pay that, even off of eBay. So I put

01:05:48.429 --> 01:05:51.320
this number in. This is just on this particular

01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:53.559
one card. Keep in mind, there's 10 other cards.

01:05:53.699 --> 01:05:56.340
Ernie Banks, Tommy Killebrew, all these cards

01:05:56.340 --> 01:06:00.019
haven't been up for years. You see these once

01:06:00.019 --> 01:06:04.179
a year at that. So now, it's the shit hits the

01:06:04.179 --> 01:06:09.820
fan. This particular card went for $58 .90, okay?

01:06:10.139 --> 01:06:13.320
And I'm second place bidder. I go and I look

01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:17.420
at all the other bids that I placed. Every other

01:06:17.420 --> 01:06:20.820
card except for one I lost, I was the second

01:06:20.820 --> 01:06:23.239
place bidder. You go and look at the guy who

01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:30.300
won, he had 47 feedback. Okay? So now, keep in

01:06:30.300 --> 01:06:34.400
mind, that 47 feedback, he won everything except

01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:38.599
for this. I won this one for $3 ,200, the Mickey

01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:42.760
Mantle. This was the prize, but I also got, you

01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:47.760
know. Ripped off on this one. Explain to me real

01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:50.699
quick just basically exactly he was just outbidding

01:06:50.699 --> 01:06:55.099
you up? I got outbid at the end for $5 ,800 on

01:06:55.099 --> 01:07:01.599
this card, okay? Now, two weeks later, so I get

01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:05.760
the mantle. I win the mantle. Two weeks later,

01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:07.900
every one of these fucking cards come up for

01:07:07.900 --> 01:07:11.719
auction again, including this one. So now I know

01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:14.519
that this shit is shill bid. And I've known for

01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:16.960
years that Probstein is a shill bidder. But as

01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:20.239
a collector, I'm a fucking idiot. You know, here

01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:23.239
it is. They always say, cards trump all. I wanted

01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:26.519
the goddamn cards. It's simple as that. I blame

01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:31.139
myself mostly. So the next auction comes up.

01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:35.300
This goes off. I put my same bid in there. And

01:07:35.300 --> 01:07:37.679
would you believe that guy with the 47 feedback?

01:07:37.820 --> 01:07:40.880
You would think after he reneged on all those

01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:43.800
fucking cards, Probstein would cut him off, right?

01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:48.659
He's right in there bidding again. All day, every

01:07:48.659 --> 01:07:51.639
day. This is what Schillstein does. This is the

01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:54.219
fucking Schillstein guy. That's how he got his

01:07:54.219 --> 01:07:57.860
name Schillstein. By me. Because I love nicknames.

01:07:57.900 --> 01:08:05.409
So I win the card. for $5 ,000. The third bid

01:08:05.409 --> 01:08:11.030
is $3 ,500. I got fucked for $1 ,500 on this

01:08:11.030 --> 01:08:15.769
card. Now, that other card, that PSA 5 that was

01:08:15.769 --> 01:08:19.810
$7 ,000, in three days, that card was sold for

01:08:19.810 --> 01:08:24.229
$6 ,000. That was up for a fucking year on eBay.

01:08:26.539 --> 01:08:29.239
What happened is that increased the price of

01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:32.500
these home run derby cards immensely. So as they

01:08:32.500 --> 01:08:35.699
were trending down, all of a sudden, Probstein

01:08:35.699 --> 01:08:40.119
caused this card and all these cards to go up.

01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:46.600
And then after that, this guy, the guy that bought

01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:49.890
the card for six grand. Before he got the fucking

01:08:49.890 --> 01:08:52.250
card, the guy is called Sports and Comics or

01:08:52.250 --> 01:08:54.829
something. He loves doing that. Shows a picture

01:08:54.829 --> 01:08:57.750
of the card with his kitchen table. I don't know

01:08:57.750 --> 01:08:59.850
what kind of background he has, but before he

01:08:59.850 --> 01:09:04.069
even has the card, he puts it up for $8 ,000.

01:09:05.569 --> 01:09:09.449
And finally, after the next sale goes up and

01:09:09.449 --> 01:09:12.270
this card goes up, he sells it a year later for

01:09:12.270 --> 01:09:16.970
$7 ,000. So it increased. The price of this Mickey

01:09:16.970 --> 01:09:22.010
Mantle card for a PSA from what should have been

01:09:22.010 --> 01:09:26.470
like a $4 ,000 card to $7 ,000. And these cards

01:09:26.470 --> 01:09:30.050
have never seen bottom since. I sold a PSA 2

01:09:30.050 --> 01:09:35.229
or a PSA 2 sold for $4 ,000 on the next sale.

01:09:35.510 --> 01:09:39.050
So this is the way that this fucking asshole

01:09:39.050 --> 01:09:43.060
has had his stupid yarmulke. in the hobby. What

01:09:43.060 --> 01:09:46.000
pisses me off is this motherfucker wears that

01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:50.000
yarmulke. I'm Jewish. My mother was Jewish. I'm

01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:56.039
Jewish, too. The only time I ever wore a yarmulke

01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:58.479
was at my grandparents' and my mother's funeral.

01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:04.220
I take it responsibly. That guy goes everywhere

01:10:04.220 --> 01:10:07.460
he goes. He wears that fucking yarmulke. He's

01:10:07.460 --> 01:10:12.510
a goddamn disgrace to the Jews. Because he steals

01:10:12.510 --> 01:10:15.489
all day and prays all fucking night. That's why.

01:10:15.649 --> 01:10:19.369
So you think it's a PR move? You think that he

01:10:19.369 --> 01:10:23.949
wears it to look like an honorable person? Absolutely.

01:10:23.970 --> 01:10:27.229
And I'm sure he prays and I'm sure he eats kosher

01:10:27.229 --> 01:10:30.210
and he's whatever the hell, he's acidic or whatever

01:10:30.210 --> 01:10:32.970
the fuck. But my dealings with that guy have

01:10:32.970 --> 01:10:38.350
been nothing but shady. $925 million. $925 million

01:10:38.350 --> 01:10:45.039
over 21 years. And again, I told people on Net54

01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:48.579
seven, eight years ago that this hobby was a

01:10:48.579 --> 01:10:51.319
billion -dollar fraud, and they fucking laughed

01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:54.319
me off the fucking network. I had to come up.

01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:57.420
And now you can see that just this one guy is

01:10:57.420 --> 01:10:59.420
a fucking billion dollar. If you don't think

01:10:59.420 --> 01:11:02.640
this is multi -fucking billions, you're out of

01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:04.899
your mind. And that's the reason that I'm here

01:11:04.899 --> 01:11:08.560
on sports cards, Professor Sports Cards. That's

01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:11.409
the reason I'm on eBay. Do I love the hobby?

01:11:11.630 --> 01:11:17.090
Hell yeah. I love the cards. But again, people

01:11:17.090 --> 01:11:21.109
need to know that this shit is happening. And

01:11:21.109 --> 01:11:24.090
you've got kids like this Pokemon guy that came

01:11:24.090 --> 01:11:27.970
out. He's got 50, he did 500 grand worth of business

01:11:27.970 --> 01:11:30.789
with Shillstein last year. And then he goes on

01:11:30.789 --> 01:11:33.289
to, then the Shillstein guy, he goes and makes

01:11:33.289 --> 01:11:37.369
his own site. What did you expect to happen?

01:11:38.080 --> 01:11:41.439
You knew he was going to show that shit up. I

01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:43.140
didn't think it would come out that he would

01:11:43.140 --> 01:11:45.659
fail that miserably, but he is just a stupid

01:11:45.659 --> 01:11:49.380
idiot. He's an arrogant fuck. And I, I, he should

01:11:49.380 --> 01:11:52.060
go straight to fucking hell. He went on sports

01:11:52.060 --> 01:11:54.500
car dad, at least four or five times and just

01:11:54.500 --> 01:11:58.319
flat out. You have to remember Dustin doesn't

01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:01.439
know shit. Okay. He came out. I love the guy,

01:12:01.460 --> 01:12:04.100
but I can't watch his shit anymore. And I didn't

01:12:04.100 --> 01:12:07.310
even see Shillstein call himself Shillstein. which

01:12:07.310 --> 01:12:11.489
I thought was pretty funny because it was a compliment

01:12:11.489 --> 01:12:14.369
that he at least has seen me, but, but Dustin

01:12:14.369 --> 01:12:17.829
bless his heart. He just wants to be like Geoff

01:12:17.829 --> 01:12:22.930
Wilson. He, you know, he really, he's take sponsorships

01:12:22.930 --> 01:12:26.130
and he does a lot of shady shit. He hasn't gotten

01:12:26.130 --> 01:12:28.890
to bed with too many bad people, but he doesn't

01:12:28.890 --> 01:12:33.020
know any different. And then you want to talk

01:12:33.020 --> 01:12:35.520
about Beckett for a moment. Let's just take a

01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:38.699
look at these hobby friends and the blockchain

01:12:38.699 --> 01:12:41.680
that goes across with these assholes, okay? So

01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:45.939
you have Beckett comes out and just flips. He's

01:12:45.939 --> 01:12:48.119
not a shill bitter, so let's just get that straight.

01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:51.579
Oh, I don't know. He was way overbidding. He's

01:12:51.579 --> 01:12:54.180
bidding on his own cards. It sounds like he's

01:12:54.180 --> 01:12:57.829
okay with bidding on his own cards. And something

01:12:57.829 --> 01:13:00.270
like that you're talking about is just like a

01:13:00.270 --> 01:13:03.949
little speck, you know? He was too open with

01:13:03.949 --> 01:13:07.529
it. Well, the way he was talking to P. Ryan,

01:13:07.770 --> 01:13:11.470
okay, was just offensive because they're talking

01:13:11.470 --> 01:13:14.350
like it's a good old boy network. How do you

01:13:14.350 --> 01:13:18.170
even know that fucking loser? Because P. Ryan's

01:13:18.170 --> 01:13:22.029
got more money than God. I give $500 to charity.

01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:26.399
I pay the fucking money. He gives $50 ,000. So

01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:31.039
that's his economic level compared to mine. He

01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:34.399
doesn't pay his $50 ,000. I give my time to charity.

01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:36.619
That's my economic level. That's better than

01:13:36.619 --> 01:13:39.220
nothing because everybody's got to start somewhere.

01:13:39.420 --> 01:13:44.220
But again, I just find that that blockchain from

01:13:44.220 --> 01:13:49.420
Beckett is trying to like sell his story. My

01:13:49.420 --> 01:13:53.399
friend Mastro. Mastro was the fucking beginning

01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:57.520
of this shit. My friend Shillstein. He's, again,

01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:01.439
another fucking asshole. My friend Patrick. If

01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:03.840
you think that's the first time that guy shilled

01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:05.739
that shit. I think you said his friend was Mastro.

01:14:06.220 --> 01:14:08.920
Because this is what the hobby does. They use

01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:14.260
these fourth -party companies to, you know, to

01:14:14.260 --> 01:14:16.460
shill their shit up. They have them shill their

01:14:16.460 --> 01:14:19.560
shit up. This is the way it's been working. They

01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:23.920
let... People either bid their own stuff or they

01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:27.119
had their employees do it. Mastro had an FBI

01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:29.619
knock on his door and served 20 months in club

01:14:29.619 --> 01:14:32.960
bed. That's how bad Mastro was. You know what?

01:14:33.020 --> 01:14:35.000
The thing is, he had so many fucking charges

01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:37.739
on him. He only pleaded to show bidding, which

01:14:37.739 --> 01:14:43.260
was the easiest out for him. And so whether that

01:14:43.260 --> 01:14:45.720
was the worst thing that he did, no. Probably

01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:49.619
not. To catch somebody in the showbiz scheme

01:14:49.619 --> 01:14:52.579
these days, it's not going to happen. He apparently

01:14:52.579 --> 01:14:55.260
got a 2306 card and sold it to Wayne Gretzky,

01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:58.640
and then it got resold for $2 .8 million. Yeah,

01:14:58.680 --> 01:15:00.619
but you know what? But the owner of that card,

01:15:00.739 --> 01:15:03.060
he doesn't care. That's part of the charm of

01:15:03.060 --> 01:15:06.199
the company. And that was PSA's first card. It

01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:11.439
was sold on a, you know, as a PSA 8. It's a trimmed

01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:16.300
card. So it doesn't say trimmed. It didn't say

01:15:16.300 --> 01:15:20.039
authentic. And here you go. This was the beginning

01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:23.279
of PSA. And Bruce McNall, shortly after that,

01:15:23.319 --> 01:15:25.800
found himself in jail because he was a fucking

01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:29.439
scammer too. So all these guys are just into

01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:32.539
it. And then you get this P. Ryan, and he leads

01:15:32.539 --> 01:15:35.060
to Geoff Wilson. And who does Beckett go on with?

01:15:35.180 --> 01:15:39.220
Geoff fucking Wilson. These guys are just fucking

01:15:39.220 --> 01:15:42.600
idiots from the word go. And I'm just so sick

01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:45.380
of these guys. You can't even believe it, how

01:15:45.380 --> 01:15:49.399
they are fucking up the hobby. Amen! Other than

01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:53.579
that, I love the cards. I love the hobby. I'm

01:15:53.579 --> 01:15:56.439
not going to allow myself to get shill bid anymore.

01:15:56.840 --> 01:16:00.479
Good. But, you know, I know it's part of the

01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:02.520
deal. We all know it's part of the deal. It's

01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:05.939
not going to stop. It's going to continue. And

01:16:05.939 --> 01:16:08.640
all this price manipulation, you have all these

01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:12.159
companies like Card Ladder, VCP, and bowel movement

01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:16.960
movers that are basically, you know, it's just

01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:22.340
fake data. Okay. So real good. Not to pivot,

01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:24.439
but Dan's on a mission right now. Dan's vintage.

01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:28.279
So he mentioned, you know, he really wanted to

01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:30.279
show this and that in this statement, it says,

01:16:30.300 --> 01:16:32.000
I'm sure you'll have a good answer, Alyx, if

01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:34.000
you're able to donating help fund out our research

01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:36.359
infrastructure, blah, blah, blah. So what would

01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:38.739
you answer back to Dan? Cause you seem to, to

01:16:38.739 --> 01:16:41.340
yeah, go ahead. You seem to be transparent. Yeah,

01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:44.550
of course. 100 % transparent from day one. We

01:16:44.550 --> 01:16:47.489
have never taken a single donation at Collectors MD.

01:16:48.090 --> 01:16:51.829
If we did, you would know it. This was on the

01:16:51.829 --> 01:16:56.949
website for the first couple months before we

01:16:56.949 --> 01:17:01.890
filed as an LLC. We were exploring going in multiple

01:17:01.890 --> 01:17:05.430
directions, whether it be nonprofit or the LLC

01:17:05.430 --> 01:17:11.920
route. it was just to are you comfortable sharing

01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:14.640
why you went LLC i'm not no judge there's reasons

01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.560
why you pick one or the other are you comfortable

01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:18.500
sharing why you didn't end up going that way

01:17:18.500 --> 01:17:23.140
versus uh the other way yeah i i could definitely

01:17:23.140 --> 01:17:27.140
expand on that um but i just really want to quickly

01:17:27.140 --> 01:17:30.100
finish my thought on yeah sorry about that go

01:17:30.100 --> 01:17:34.119
ahead yeah so uh Dan was insist i mean he was

01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:37.319
just on a mission like you said uh claiming that

01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:40.159
we had a donation button of some sort or like

01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:43.260
maybe like a patreon or something of that nature

01:17:43.260 --> 01:17:46.140
and that never existed and he said it it was

01:17:46.140 --> 01:17:49.579
on the site for um at least a year our website

01:17:49.579 --> 01:17:52.279
didn't launch until march of this year so i mean

01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:54.279
people look at the end of the day people want

01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:56.930
to throw shade they want to prove themselves

01:17:56.930 --> 01:17:59.489
right they want to well the other you know it's

01:17:59.489 --> 01:18:01.890
it's a it's a shady business people are doing

01:18:01.890 --> 01:18:04.789
shady stuff so it you know you really have to

01:18:04.789 --> 01:18:07.810
work hard to make sure you stay a good name yeah

01:18:07.810 --> 01:18:12.229
so real quick on the uh LLC topic so we structured

01:18:12.229 --> 01:18:14.890
Collectors MD as an LLC because it reflects the

01:18:14.890 --> 01:18:18.899
reality of what this is becoming You know, it's

01:18:18.899 --> 01:18:21.840
not just a passion project or an awareness movement

01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:24.739
where it's like, you know, a part time gig of

01:18:24.739 --> 01:18:27.399
some sort. We're building a sustainable organization

01:18:27.399 --> 01:18:31.300
built to operate, partner, protect people and

01:18:31.300 --> 01:18:34.760
grow responsibly. And so going LLC gives us that

01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:37.399
sense of legitimacy and infrastructure. it allows

01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:40.220
us to form formal partnerships with treatment

01:18:40.220 --> 01:18:43.159
centers and coalitions and platforms and brands

01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:46.359
and it allows us to do a lot of a lot of other

01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:48.420
things you know we can develop programs we can

01:18:48.420 --> 01:18:52.239
license educational content we can secure funding

01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:55.279
if needed and create long -term support systems

01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:58.819
without being limited by informal structure right

01:18:58.819 --> 01:19:01.300
and it also protects the mission legally and

01:19:01.300 --> 01:19:04.489
operationally so this work isn't dependent on

01:19:04.489 --> 01:19:06.409
just one person or treated like a side project

01:19:06.409 --> 01:19:10.109
so um another thing that comes up a lot is like

01:19:10.109 --> 01:19:14.590
god forbid i make any money you know doing what

01:19:14.590 --> 01:19:19.810
i do as a full -time job right Do doctors make

01:19:19.810 --> 01:19:22.449
money? Do therapists make money? Does any sort

01:19:22.449 --> 01:19:25.470
of service that offers. No, but just being transparent,

01:19:25.569 --> 01:19:26.850
you know, people don't want to think you're taking.

01:19:26.909 --> 01:19:29.109
I don't think you got to. I mean, the most important

01:19:29.109 --> 01:19:34.109
thing that people need to understand is that

01:19:34.109 --> 01:19:36.170
we're not taking donations. We've never taken

01:19:36.170 --> 01:19:38.750
a donation. We're never going to charge our members

01:19:38.750 --> 01:19:41.949
for the service. Any revenue would come through

01:19:41.949 --> 01:19:46.109
partnerships, potential advertising, merchandising,

01:19:46.109 --> 01:19:49.130
like the RIP responsibly, Matt, I showed you,

01:19:49.170 --> 01:19:52.810
things like that. We will never be in a position

01:19:52.810 --> 01:19:56.630
where we're exploiting people for their mental

01:19:56.630 --> 01:19:59.250
health and financial shortcomings. It's just

01:19:59.250 --> 01:20:03.500
not going to happen. I'm more than happy to continue

01:20:03.500 --> 01:20:06.600
this conversation. Dan seems to be a really vocal

01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:08.779
guy. He's saying he's dealt with guys like this

01:20:08.779 --> 01:20:11.000
his entire career. So he's clearly putting me

01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:15.800
in a bucket with other people. Like, look, you

01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:18.560
could talk all you want. It's not going to change

01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:20.279
what we're doing. We're going to continue to

01:20:20.279 --> 01:20:24.819
power forward and we're going to help as many

01:20:24.819 --> 01:20:27.199
people as humanly possible. If you have a problem

01:20:27.199 --> 01:20:29.560
with this helping people, then God help you.

01:20:32.350 --> 01:20:35.930
Alyx, personally, between me and you, I really

01:20:35.930 --> 01:20:37.670
don't care what you're doing, but if you can

01:20:37.670 --> 01:20:41.550
help one person. Dan's skeptical it's a money

01:20:41.550 --> 01:20:46.810
grab. Yes, it's not a money grab. And I'm putting

01:20:46.810 --> 01:20:48.689
words in Dan's mouth. I don't know that for sure,

01:20:48.729 --> 01:20:50.449
but that's my take. That would be what I guess.

01:20:50.750 --> 01:20:52.710
Yeah, I mean, look, people can think what they

01:20:52.710 --> 01:20:55.229
want. You're never going to make everybody happy

01:20:55.229 --> 01:20:57.130
no matter what you do. Of course not. You're

01:20:57.130 --> 01:21:00.210
never going to have... fans everywhere you go.

01:21:00.390 --> 01:21:03.449
But at the end of the day, we can't make a change.

01:21:03.550 --> 01:21:05.729
We can't shift culture. We can't help people

01:21:05.729 --> 01:21:08.270
by standing on the sidelines. So we will be at

01:21:08.270 --> 01:21:10.590
the center of the conversation any opportunity

01:21:10.590 --> 01:21:13.409
we have to continue spreading the message. If

01:21:13.409 --> 01:21:16.029
that means Professor Sports Cards invites me

01:21:16.029 --> 01:21:17.989
to be on his podcast and there's going to be

01:21:17.989 --> 01:21:21.149
haters in the chat throwing shade, I welcome

01:21:21.149 --> 01:21:23.630
it. It's a little different than Jeremy Lee,

01:21:23.710 --> 01:21:27.170
right? It's a little different than Jeremy Lee.

01:21:27.719 --> 01:21:30.380
But whatever. I mean, just keep doing what you're

01:21:30.380 --> 01:21:33.460
doing and see. And just to throw something at

01:21:33.460 --> 01:21:36.899
Alyx, you know, Orlando's a respected guy. Dan's

01:21:36.899 --> 01:21:43.399
a respected guy. Orlando's the mayor. Collector's

01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:47.300
dream. You know, and these two guys, they're

01:21:47.300 --> 01:21:49.380
older than us. They have more experience than

01:21:49.380 --> 01:21:51.739
us. They've been in the hobby for 50 years or

01:21:51.739 --> 01:21:54.039
more. It's at least good to take their both heads.

01:21:54.220 --> 01:21:57.239
They both say, you know, maybe stay away from

01:21:57.239 --> 01:21:59.880
some of those taking the drug dealer money or

01:21:59.880 --> 01:22:02.079
the car dealer money. But that's just something

01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:04.079
I'm only throwing at what they're saying. And

01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:07.859
I respect both those guys a lot. I see the young

01:22:07.859 --> 01:22:10.640
people struggling, seeing people losing their

01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:13.579
lives or losing their livelihoods, I should say.

01:22:14.160 --> 01:22:16.739
Like Charles said earlier, looking at divorce,

01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:18.720
looking at potentially losing custody of their

01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:21.859
children. Well, my friend Jamie gives advice

01:22:21.859 --> 01:22:23.899
to me. My advice is just don't ever change your

01:22:23.899 --> 01:22:25.840
message. Don't ever change what you're doing.

01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:28.079
If you want to partner with those, okay. But

01:22:28.079 --> 01:22:30.500
you really have to be adamant, transparent. And

01:22:30.500 --> 01:22:32.779
the biggest takeaway I got from tonight, and

01:22:32.779 --> 01:22:34.060
we'll go another minute or two. I want to finish

01:22:34.060 --> 01:22:38.979
with voicemails. I think the 12 -step program

01:22:38.979 --> 01:22:41.359
is okay, but I think your actual meetings where

01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:44.479
people can go and hear others and be open and

01:22:44.479 --> 01:22:48.199
be vulnerable, that's priceless. That's a very

01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:52.100
good thing. I would like to join one just to

01:22:52.100 --> 01:22:54.359
be a fly on the wall, just to hear what actually

01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:59.010
gets said in those meetings. Absolutely. I was

01:22:59.010 --> 01:23:02.890
a three -bird -a -day pussycat until I found

01:23:02.890 --> 01:23:07.270
GA or BA to help you. Rick, I'm not immersed

01:23:07.270 --> 01:23:11.029
in this space. I don't join live streams or spend

01:23:11.029 --> 01:23:14.550
my Thanksgiving eves on... I'm just kidding.

01:23:14.770 --> 01:23:17.909
But in all seriousness, I respect everybody.

01:23:18.250 --> 01:23:21.590
Good opinion, bad opinion. Gentlemen, let's give

01:23:21.590 --> 01:23:24.569
closing thoughts for the three of you. We went

01:23:24.569 --> 01:23:26.529
through a lot. This was nice. This was good.

01:23:26.590 --> 01:23:29.170
Let's have Charles go first, and then we'll Gio

01:23:29.170 --> 01:23:33.369
and Alyx, and we'll sum it up. I wouldn't hitch

01:23:33.369 --> 01:23:36.109
my wagon to somebody like Alyx or Collectors

01:23:36.109 --> 01:23:38.069
MD if I thought there was anything shady going

01:23:38.069 --> 01:23:40.590
on. That's the last thing I want to be a part

01:23:40.590 --> 01:23:42.710
of is something. One more thing is shady in the

01:23:42.710 --> 01:23:46.409
hobby. I don't get that. Well said. Charles,

01:23:46.569 --> 01:23:48.149
thank you for calling in tonight. Petty, what

01:23:48.149 --> 01:23:50.920
do you got? I just want to say I wish you all

01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:53.619
the best. You're fighting a tough battle, and

01:23:53.619 --> 01:23:56.380
you've got a really tough battle ahead of you.

01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:58.880
And if you could just help one person, I'm sure

01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:01.279
you'd consider yourself successful. And that's

01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:04.460
all I've tried to do by talking the shit I do

01:24:04.460 --> 01:24:07.600
about people. I don't care who likes me, who

01:24:07.600 --> 01:24:11.239
hates me. I simply love the cards. I've met some

01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:13.899
great people along the way in the last couple

01:24:13.899 --> 01:24:16.319
of years, and that's what I'm going to take away

01:24:16.319 --> 01:24:19.789
from it. Am I going to slow down? I've got my,

01:24:19.869 --> 01:24:22.270
you know, I love my collection. It is with a

01:24:22.270 --> 01:24:24.850
purpose. It's not the same way I collected when

01:24:24.850 --> 01:24:29.050
I was addicted, maybe, or when I was a younger

01:24:29.050 --> 01:24:32.130
man, when I maybe didn't have the money, you

01:24:32.130 --> 01:24:36.319
know? So I didn't, I quit until. I started making

01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:38.560
a little bit more money. I had my house paid

01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:41.579
off. I was a little bit more mature in my collecting,

01:24:41.579 --> 01:24:44.319
you know? And I, and I think that's why somehow

01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:47.180
it's, I do respect a lot of you younger guys

01:24:47.180 --> 01:24:50.600
or guys in your forties or, or even in the thirties

01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:54.399
or, you know, that are pulling this off because

01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:57.100
you're a much better man than I was because I

01:24:57.100 --> 01:24:59.800
never could do that. You know, I really didn't

01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:03.039
find, I didn't really find my success or my wheels.

01:25:03.579 --> 01:25:06.140
until my forties, you know, and I wouldn't even

01:25:06.140 --> 01:25:09.439
think of cards until, you know, I was in my fifties

01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:12.239
and established. It's an established and I had

01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:15.300
all my, and I had all my debt paid off and, you

01:25:15.300 --> 01:25:17.720
know, that's really, that's really where it was

01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:20.720
at. I, you know, I paid my house off in 14 years,

01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:24.899
credit cards, bought cars for cash. And then

01:25:24.899 --> 01:25:30.439
they, you know, my retirement was funded my asset

01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:33.720
my you know all this shit goes what Alyx was

01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:35.699
trying to do is there's so many people not in

01:25:35.699 --> 01:25:39.659
that situation playing these games Alyx how did

01:25:39.659 --> 01:25:43.659
you want to to finish up yeah i have a few thoughts

01:25:43.659 --> 01:25:49.680
the first is to your point Jason if i could save

01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:54.159
just one person i would combat i would go against

01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:59.680
a hundred Dan's and Orlando's a night if I had

01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:03.060
to and I truly mean that I will I respect those

01:26:03.060 --> 01:26:08.399
two guys a lot I respect those two guys like

01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:10.840
you have no like there are others I'm sure they're

01:26:10.840 --> 01:26:13.319
I'm sure they're great people and they are probably

01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:17.159
have you know, wonderful content, put out wonderful

01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:19.380
content. And it's good to listen to, you know,

01:26:19.380 --> 01:26:26.840
guys have more good men. I get it. People are

01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:28.899
going to be jaded. They're going to be skeptical.

01:26:29.260 --> 01:26:31.520
They're going to think we live in a society.

01:26:31.619 --> 01:26:33.880
We live in a world now where every, any and everything

01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:38.819
needs to be sort of put through a filter or a

01:26:38.819 --> 01:26:42.340
strainer, if you will, because there's so much.

01:26:43.819 --> 01:26:48.119
malicious intent and bad actors that are going

01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:51.579
around. So we have to be careful. Well, I hate

01:26:51.579 --> 01:26:54.500
every new company that comes out. I hate them.

01:26:54.539 --> 01:26:57.840
So this hobby in particular, especially if a

01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:01.439
new voice or a new brand comes into the fold

01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:03.779
and starts making noise and partnering with the

01:27:03.779 --> 01:27:05.880
Geoff Wilsons of the world, there's going to be

01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:09.680
some sort of... some version of an upheaval or

01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:12.520
people just expressing their frustration. But

01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:15.359
you have no, in the long run, you'll prove it

01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:18.020
wrong. It's all good. Like it comes with the

01:27:18.020 --> 01:27:20.000
territory and I totally get and respect that.

01:27:20.180 --> 01:27:22.579
And you just continue doing what makes you happy.

01:27:22.899 --> 01:27:26.279
To people like Dan and Orlando and Cartel and

01:27:26.279 --> 01:27:28.739
all of these naysayers that just are throwing

01:27:28.739 --> 01:27:32.340
shade. I love it. Keep bringing it. We're here

01:27:32.340 --> 01:27:35.000
to stay. We're not going anywhere. So we can

01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:38.569
continue to. have these conversations. I'm not

01:27:38.569 --> 01:27:40.890
speaking for those guys, but I can tell you that

01:27:40.890 --> 01:27:45.109
I know that they want what's best for the hobby

01:27:45.109 --> 01:27:50.010
in general. And if you can help, and let's see

01:27:50.010 --> 01:27:51.970
what happens in a year or two, just keep doing

01:27:51.970 --> 01:27:54.050
what you're doing. Most importantly, work on

01:27:54.050 --> 01:27:56.829
yourself. And that's a lifelong struggle, what

01:27:56.829 --> 01:27:59.390
you're going through. And you can help others.

01:27:59.510 --> 01:28:03.329
It makes a big impact on you as well. And you

01:28:03.329 --> 01:28:05.909
need to make a living. I've always said that

01:28:05.909 --> 01:28:09.569
profit is not a dirty word. I've made profit

01:28:09.569 --> 01:28:11.750
on, you know. Yeah, but it depends how you're

01:28:11.750 --> 01:28:14.210
making the profit. That's all. And I'm not accusing

01:28:14.210 --> 01:28:16.949
Alyx of anything, but some of the guys are. No,

01:28:16.949 --> 01:28:19.590
no, no, it doesn't. Absolutely. But you know

01:28:19.590 --> 01:28:23.149
what? I mean, it's not a dirty word. Mike, if

01:28:23.149 --> 01:28:26.050
electors MD went away today and we cease to exist,

01:28:26.329 --> 01:28:30.029
there are so many people that we already reach.

01:28:30.590 --> 01:28:38.010
That's great. When is your next meeting? When's

01:28:38.010 --> 01:28:40.250
your next meeting? Our next meeting will be next

01:28:40.250 --> 01:28:43.350
Wednesday, December 3rd at 8 PM. Eastern. All

01:28:43.350 --> 01:28:45.810
right. Well, Oh shit. We actually, we actually

01:28:45.810 --> 01:28:49.149
have two meetings. Now we partnered with a coalition

01:28:49.149 --> 01:28:52.369
in Colorado called PGCC, the problem gambling

01:28:52.369 --> 01:28:54.250
coalition of Colorado. They've rolled out the

01:28:54.250 --> 01:28:56.949
first official franchised version of collectors

01:28:56.949 --> 01:29:01.380
MD called. Oh, It's called Unbox Powered by Collectors MD.

01:29:01.520 --> 01:29:04.960
They've been hosting those meetings now for almost

01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:07.479
two months. They're every Thursday at 7 p .m.

01:29:07.479 --> 01:29:09.779
Eastern, and they're just as effective. I joined

01:29:09.779 --> 01:29:14.000
them myself. So the reason you are partnering

01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:15.699
with some of these companies is because you're

01:29:15.699 --> 01:29:17.640
not taking in any money from the people calling

01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:19.779
in or doing the program, so you have to support

01:29:19.779 --> 01:29:22.180
the business somehow. Right. We're partnering

01:29:22.180 --> 01:29:25.560
with state coalitions. We're offering consulting

01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:29.970
and advising to... these organizations that really

01:29:29.970 --> 01:29:33.729
only know traditional gambling, all of the nuances

01:29:33.729 --> 01:29:35.930
within the hobby and how there's so many gambling

01:29:35.930 --> 01:29:39.649
like mechanics and overlap. And so, you know,

01:29:39.649 --> 01:29:42.850
we're basically franchising collectors, MD offering

01:29:42.850 --> 01:29:45.409
the branding, the IP, but most more importantly,

01:29:45.449 --> 01:29:48.149
the curriculum, the modules, the recovery guide,

01:29:48.289 --> 01:29:52.050
the entire program so that more people, cause

01:29:52.050 --> 01:29:54.529
I I'm one person. I can't reach everybody. We

01:29:54.529 --> 01:29:56.489
need to, there are hundreds of thousands of people

01:29:56.489 --> 01:29:59.399
struggling. Last question. We're going two hours

01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:01.420
here. Our meeting, and Phil, we can do this again.

01:30:01.500 --> 01:30:04.060
I have no problem. Our meeting's over Zoom. Yeah,

01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:07.800
so we're going to shift from Google Hangout to

01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:11.500
Zoom, but the Unbox meetings are already on Zoom.

01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:13.520
So yes, the answer to that is yes. Gentlemen,

01:30:13.739 --> 01:30:15.979
dude, thank you guys for calling in. I think

01:30:15.979 --> 01:30:19.079
we should have done this show. Can I say one

01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:21.779
last thing real quick? Yeah, we can do it again.

01:30:21.979 --> 01:30:24.520
I just want to end on one note real quick, Jason,

01:30:24.579 --> 01:30:27.609
if you don't mind. As long as it's somewhat short.

01:30:27.689 --> 01:30:30.310
It's short. It's short. So if there's one thing

01:30:30.310 --> 01:30:32.409
to take away from this conversation, it's that

01:30:32.409 --> 01:30:35.609
the hobby isn't broken, but the way we've been

01:30:35.609 --> 01:30:38.909
taught to engage with it is, right? So we can

01:30:38.909 --> 01:30:40.970
love collecting and still question the systems

01:30:40.970 --> 01:30:44.329
that profit from our impulse. We can enjoy ripping

01:30:44.329 --> 01:30:46.489
and still recognize when the chase starts to

01:30:46.489 --> 01:30:48.890
replace intention. And we can care deeply about

01:30:48.890 --> 01:30:52.090
this space while asking it to evolve. And that's

01:30:52.090 --> 01:30:54.029
what Collectors MD is about. We're not here to

01:30:54.029 --> 01:30:57.250
shame. We're not here to blame. And I also think

01:30:57.250 --> 01:30:59.069
you got that message across throughout the whole

01:30:59.069 --> 01:31:02.890
night. Alyx, Petty, Charles, have a great Thanksgiving.

01:31:03.069 --> 01:31:04.590
Thank you for calling in, and I hope to stay

01:31:04.590 --> 01:31:07.109
in touch with all three of you. Love you, boys.

01:31:07.210 --> 01:31:09.729
Alyx, good luck. Stop doing what isn't working.

01:31:10.270 --> 01:31:14.380
Hey, now. Up. He gave us a happy Thanksgiving.

01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:17.739
I kind of cut him off. Hey, it was a good conversation.

01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:19.640
I want to end with voicemails. Wish you all a

01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:21.100
happy Thanksgiving. That was awesome. That was

01:31:21.100 --> 01:31:24.140
a lot of insight we had on Wednesday before Thanksgiving.

01:31:24.420 --> 01:31:27.779
I think the peak was 133 in here. So I like the

01:31:27.779 --> 01:31:29.239
slow growth. It's very healthy.