What happens when your collecting turns into
an addiction? This might be the most important
video episode that I've ever done on this channel.
And so I hope that everybody that's following
is going to listen to the entire interview that
I do with Alyx Effron from CollectorsMD. Now,
if you don't know who that is, he just did a
podcast episode with Geoff Wilson on The Geoff
Wilson Show. CollectorsMD is all about support
for people that are dealing with either collection
addiction, gambling addiction, or you're just
out of control with how many breaks or packs
or boxes you're buying, and you've lost the fun
out of collecting. All of these cards, they don't
really mean anything unless you give them meaning.
Otherwise, they're just cardboard. They're just
photos of men, and we know that. This hobby can
be fun, but there's also a danger. And so that's
why I hope that you will pay attention to this
interview, because if this changes anyone's life,
then it was well worth it. Here's the interview
with Alyx Efron. What do you see as the big problem
right now with the hobby? Right. So the biggest
problem in the hobby right now is that line between
collecting and... Gambling is just completely
blurred, right? There are a handful of things
that are contributing to this, first and foremost
being the break culture and chase mentality that's
been sort of established by influencers, the
manufacturers, the platforms. Instead of building
collections, right, like we used to, many people
are just hooked on high risk, casino -like environments
where the focus is just... all about ripping
packs, chasing short printed hits, flipping cards
as fast as they possibly can for a quick profit,
right? It conditions people, especially kids
and new individuals that are just joining the
hobby. And so to believe the hobby is all about
odds and outcomes rather than meaning and joy
is a dangerous thing. And so... There's also
the predatory platforms and the lack of regulation,
the apps, the breakers, even major companies
like, you know, Fanatics and Panini. A lot of
these conglomerates have really leaned into this
gambling -like model without real consumer protections,
right? So there are no grills. The truth is,
unfortunately, that's the only way they can make
billions of dollars if they don't lean into this.
From your perspective, how did this affect you
personally for you to go, you know what? I've
got to do something. Right. Yeah. I mean, I just
want to, you know, sign up kind of. close my
thought on because i want to set that foundation
because there are a few other things to touch
on there um you know i think the the predatory
platforms and the lack of regulation specifically
as it pertains to guardrails accountability transparency
odds fairness or even how you know just money
is handled in general all of this is sort of
being done very, very recklessly. Right. And
so this all leads to. And I want to agree with
you on that. And I actually let me let me make
it clearer for my audience and anybody that actually
watches this. Everything you're saying is absolutely
true. Anybody that's watching this, everything
that he is saying is absolutely true. What we
also need to be aware of, which is the reason
why I wanted you on, is there's never going to
be regulation. This is going to be a completely
unregulated. You are going to be susceptible.
The people who make these cards want to turn
you into gamblers. They want you to be addicted.
That's their goal. This is way worse than cigarettes.
This is predatory. They want to be predatory.
They're using psychology against you. Therefore,
that's why I think what you're doing is so important
because we are all. Completely exposed and no
one is ever going to save us or help us or provide
us with any support. We are on our own. Right.
So that's why I think what you're doing is so
important because we don't take care of ourselves.
We're in trouble. Right. right so everything
that i'm talking about it's leading to things
like financial and emotional fallout right collectors
are just getting pulled into these cycles where
they're overspending they're just constantly
chasing losses and they're they're really comparing
themselves to others especially the influencers
and the the youtubers and the big breakers who
are just constantly creating these highlight
reels and um you know hits of the day and things
like that and so You know, people are just losing
themselves. It leads to debt. It leads to stress,
shame. In some cases, you know, just exiting
the hobby altogether because it stops being fun.
And so there's this sort of lost culture of collecting.
And the emphasis on the hits and the comps is
just, you know, taking over the original spirit,
which was connection, nostalgia, personal meaning,
community. You know, collectors are now made
to feel. If they're losing, if they don't pull
that monster, that case hit, that lottery ticket,
it's game over. When in reality, there should
be no losing if you're collecting with intention,
which is our mantra, what we always say. So at
its core, the problem is in the ecosystem. that
is designed to exploit impulse rather than nurture
passion, right? So that's why something - And
that's by design. Again, the boxes, the new wax,
the companies themselves want all of the base
cards to be worthless so that you don't want
them, so you don't collect. They want you to
chase after gambling. so that you're going after
the numbered cards, the patch cards, the RPAs,
the one -on -ones, and the odds and the lottery
and the sweepstakes aspect of all this. That's
what they want. Exactly. And I appreciate you
giving me the opportunity to sort of lay that
foundation so I can sort of segue into why CollectorsMD
exists, why we matter. And so it's sort of to
recenter the hobby on support, sustainability,
and purpose. So the reason... you know, we started
Collectors MD is because, you know, I saw something
that was missing, something that was dangerous
in the hobby. And, you know, I've been in the
hobby long enough now where I've gathered my
own personal sort of opinions and based on my
lived experience. And so, you know, I went through
the cycle myself, collecting turned into just
this compulsive ripping, ripping turned into.
more chasing, chasing turned into financial and
emotional fallout. And so I saw firsthand, I
know firsthand what it feels like to lose that
sense of control, to feel that pull of, you know,
just one more box, just one more rip and the
shame that follows and the regret that you feel
the next day. And that experience, you know,
just really gave me a lot of clarity, right?
So I feel strongly that the hobby needed a space.
where people could talk openly about all of this
without judgment. So I honestly, and I think
that's, that's what I hope my audience. So I
created this channel to, to do what you're talking
about. I don't, I don't know how to do what you
guys did. And I think it's great. And I want
to actually talk about like what actually happens
in the group. So people feel more safe to go,
you know what, I should check this out. But,
My story, and I've got now close to 300 videos
talking about the problems with... the hobby
and how to psychologically and mentally put yourself
in a better mindset. I happen to, I don't have
the addiction problem, although I did see the
sports car dad actually admitted. And I, I thought
that was amazing. That was, it's his most viral
video that he, he admitted, I have an addiction
problem and he almost destroyed his whole family
over. A lot of people have. Yep. And I've seen
Reddit posts as well where people have gone way
too far into this. And every time I see people
at card shows and they ask me, they're like,
you know, if I'm spending money, like what should
I? And I'm like, first of all, stop, stop buying.
Just first of all, just stop. I think you got
to get a handle on it and mindset. I'm the son
of a card hoarder. So I had 8 million cards by
1991. I've been in this hobby for 40 years. Right.
I saw and I saw your video that you shared with
me about, you know, son of a card hoarder. And
I think that was really well done and well articulated.
And I think, Doc, you're doing a fantastic job
of spreading the message and putting this out
there because the conversation. These conversations
have been happening sort of behind closed doors,
behind the scenes, and it hasn't been brought
to the forefront. There's been no pressure applied
to. the conglomerates until now. And so that's
what we're trying to do with Collectors MD. And
I think we still have a lot of work to do and
a long way to go to get to where we want to be
and to help the number of individuals that are
going through these things that we're talking
about. They're struggling with burnout and mental
and emotional. absolutely and id depression it's
it's it's really really it's really really serious
you know this is it's it's very serious which
is why i want to get into so if somebody goes
to Collectors MD right now yeah what's the what's
the first thing they can expect and and how because
again the most important thing i think right
now Long term is dealing with the manufacturers,
dealing with them and breakers. And but for right
now, people who are anyone who is even if you
don't even admit that you have an addiction issue,
maybe you're just spending a little too much
money and you're like, why am I doing this? Go
to CollectorsMD. What's the first thing they
can expect from the website? Yeah. So if someone
were to. be introduced to CollectorsMD right
now with, you know, no knowledge or understanding
of what we are and what we're doing, here's what
it would feel like straight up. No corporate
fluff, just, you know, straight up from a new
member that we're introducing into our community.
They'd find a real community of collectors who
get it. People who have felt the same pull of
ripping packs late at night, the same pit in
the stomach after overspending, the same guilt
of hiding packages from family, all these things
we've all done, right? Not you, Doc. I know you
mentioned that you don't have the problem of
addiction, which is great, but the fact that
you are - I have the problem of getting rid of
stuff. Yeah, I just, I hoard it. I have problems
getting rid of it, although I've gotten rid of
seven and a half million cards over the last
decade. That's incredibly impressive. It's also
staggering. I mean, I've probably sold, handled,
bought, you know, whatever the case may be, millions
of cards over the last five years or so. you
know, to be able to track that is really interesting.
So anyway, the real difference with CollectorsMD
is you don't have to explain yourself. Everyone
already understands. And so we run weekly peer
support meetings every Wednesday night. That's
something we would introduce, you know, this
individual to. Video is optional. You can share
what's on your mind or you can just sit back,
listen and realize that you're not alone. Nobody's
keeping score. It's not therapy. I'm not a licensed
therapist or a doctor. It's just merely support.
And sometimes support means being in the room
while others tell the stories you've been too
afraid to admit out loud. We always say you have
to heal in community. We have to heal in community.
We can't heal by ourselves. We also put out content.
So we have daily reflections, which are essentially
quick journal entries. They're quick reads that
feel like, you know, a reset button for your
mindset, things you can carry with you when the
urge to rip comes up or when you need a reminder
that collecting can and should be intentional,
not compulsive. We also have a daily group chat,
which is extremely active. 40 plus members now.
These folks are encouraging each other. They're
sharing their wins. They're venting over their
setbacks, which, you know, relapse is a huge
part of the journey. And we we get that. We accept
that. And, you know, we we are are with those
people, you know, or they're just being there
in real time when someone needs to be talked
down from buying into that next break. It's a
really great. That's that's great. It's great.
And hopefully. Yeah. And hopefully everybody
that's that's listening right now and just one,
you're very sincere. You're very you're very
passionate about this and you're you're being
honest. But honesty is where I come from. I created
this whole channel and everything I put out is
just about honesty. Whether people like it or
not, it's just raw and honest. What you're doing
is about that. Which is why when I saw you on
Geoff Wilson's show, I went, I need to talk to
him. I appreciate you reaching out. And I understood
what you're trying to do with Geoff, but he runs
a business and he can't make money unless gambling
exists. Well, there is something to be said there.
And there is one last thing I want to mention
regarding CollectorsMD. That's really important,
a key takeaway. We're here to tell you. you know,
we're not here to tell you to quit collecting.
We don't want to cancel the hobby or cancel break
culture altogether. CollectorsMD is simply here
to remind you why you started and it's to make
sure the hobby feels like joy, which is what
it should be, not a burden, right? Not a nuisance.
And sometimes the first step is just showing
up. So with that being said, go ahead. No, I
appreciate that message. It's so important. And
so here's what I would, like if possible so what
i think i hope that everyone who is even on the
margin if you're just like you know what i'm
just i'm just not in control of how much i spend
or i go to the store i see the box and i'm like
oh i should get that box join collectors md only
because i think The reset, the mindset, the mentality
of being in control of what you decide to do
is so important. And I'm glad that you said that
because it's not about getting rid of the hobby.
It's not about and it's not about complaining
either. It's about doing things with intention.
I want to buy a box because I want to buy the
box, not because I'm chasing, not because I want
the hit. I try to communicate these ideas to
my audience that you really should, if you buy
a box, a modern box, you should know at going
in, you're never going to get a hit. Just buy
the box because you want the cards. Right. Yeah,
that's really well said. I think a lot of people
go into it with a mindset where they just want
that big hit. Obviously, they want the card that's
going to help. paver the box and then some, but
they also want the acceptance and the acknowledgement
of the breaker and the chat and the camaraderie
that comes with this culture. And a lot of those
people might not even realize that's what they're
subconsciously looking for. Validation. And CollectorsMD,
because it's a community, you will get that same
feeling without losing all your money. That's
a great point, Doc. I appreciate you saying that.
I do want to quickly go back to what you brought
up about Geoff Wilson and Fanatics and Whatnot
and all these companies that are ultimately in
it for revenue, right? And I personally believe
that the hobby can coexist with gambling -like
mechanics, break culture, but only if it's honest.
about what's what, and if collectors are given
the tools to protect themselves. Right now, there
are no safeguards that exist. And so here's what
it would take for coexistence, two realities
to coexist for it to actually be safe. Number
one would be clear lines, okay? The industry
needs to stop blurring the language. Breaking
is gambling, and everyone knows it. label it,
regulate it, and give consumers the information
they need, the odds, the risks, the disclosures,
the warnings, the resources, so people can choose
with eyes open instead of being sold entertainment,
okay? Number two is real guardrails. Casinos
and sportsbooks have self -exclusion tools, deposit
limits, responsible play disclaimers and messaging.
Those things exist for a reason. Well, I'm gonna...
One, so here's a couple of things I want to do
at the end. So I have some background. So I have
10 years in politics as well as over 20 years
in education. And there's a whole bunch of stuff
that I would love to be able to do with your
community and group towards those back end stuff.
The first thing that you haven't even said, and
you didn't say it on Geoff Wilson's show because
I think it's sort of like an assumption. The
biggest issue is that it's illegal. For children
to gamble. Yeah. I mean, you want to talk about
it? I didn't use the word illegal, but I said
it's well, no, I actually clipped it in a video
today. Under 21, you're not allowed in a casino.
Right. But the problem is in order to make it
illegal, we need to create clear lines. We need
to like. Well, I've actually, so just to give
you, so on my channel, and I have said this a
couple of times. So again, it's not widespread
because I have, I just surpassed 2 ,500 subscribers.
So I'm not, I'm not big, but in order to have
the guardrails that you're talking about, we
need two separate types of products. We need
to go back to traditional wax, which is series
one, series two, where there are no lotteries
in there. It's just base. You can have some short
prints or inserts, but it's just it's primarily
base. And then you have higher end product, which
is your sweepstakes and your, you know, your
odds, which is so that there's a known entity,
especially for parents, that it's like this is
the kid stuff. And then this is the gambling.
This is the adult stuff. Right. Because right
now, I feel like they tried to do that. Yeah,
they've tried to do that. They've tried to create
a. A separation between hobby product and retail
product to your point. Yeah, but that's, that's,
that's called, that's, that's not a separation.
That's called making an excuse. Everybody knows
what's going on. I'm in agreement with you. I'm
just telling you like what we've, what we've
heard from. And the only way, the only way that's
ever going to happen is if we get the government
involved. That's the only way. And there are
folks in our community that are actually involved
in, you know, all sorts of, there's a case that
is currently open in, there's a class action
in California. Okay. I won't go into too much
detail, but. But I will put it this way. If you
have anybody in your community, and I'll put
this out to everybody in my community, if anybody
works in government, I can actually help you
write legislation, because that's what I used
to do, write legislation to get this into law.
And this is a win -win. There's not a politician
that would be like, yeah, we want to screw kids.
No, no, no. They're going to protect kids. The
problem is that the people who we want to reach
are not in the hobby. Politicians don't collect
cards. Politicians don't care about anything
that we're doing. This is a fringe right now,
even though Fanatics is trying to 10x the hobby,
and it has grown. But the majority of people
in the United States have no idea what we're
talking about, which is also why anybody that's
watching this, go to CollectorsMD. I'm putting
the link in the description. Go there. Join.
So it's a community where you can get the feeling
of being part of it. It's got chat. It's got
weekly sessions. It's got where you can talk
about cards without losing your shirt. You don't
have to pay money to be part of something. That's
what CollectorsMD can do. And I think this is
really positive for everybody. Again, the episode
or the video I just put out, because this will
probably go out next week. So the episode I did
a few days ago for you guys, I talked about like
the positivity in the hobby where people wanted
to be gatekeepers. We don't need gatekeepers.
What we need is support. We need people who look
out for each other. This is a team. And if we
take a team approach to it where everybody says,
hey, are you okay? Hey, it's okay. You don't
need to buy that box. Why don't you come? Why
don't you go to a session? Why don't you talk
to other collectors and other people that are
in the hobby who are like, you know what? I just
I spent a thousand dollars. Why did I do that?
And one of the things that I try and, you know,
I'm certainly I'm open to doing. I don't know
if you do guest spots within the community, but
I like to at least people understand that. Just
look at the dollar amount. If you buy two blasters
at retail. That's 50 bucks. If you just took
that $50 and bought the one or two cards you
want, you'd be so much happier and you wouldn't
have wasted your money. Of course. But people
want the thrill of the chase. That's what they're
seeking. And that's what they - Well, that's
the addiction. It's the old wax. Right. That's
the addiction. Right. If you look at it black
and white, of course, that makes the most sense.
People would rather hit the card than buy the
card. There's two things I want to bring up.
One, as it pertains to the legal side of the
hobby, things like regulation, gambling laws,
enforcement. That's not necessarily our lane
at Collectors MD. We advocate for those things.
But, you know, I'm not like an attorney or a
lawmaker. You know, there are advocacy groups
who are much better positioned to tackle that
fight. Our focus is a little bit different. We're
here for the collector who's hit a wall. The
person who wakes up realizing the fun has slipped
into compulsion or who feels the stress of, you
know, overspending and hiding packages from loved
ones, all the things we talk about. We're not
drawing up legislation. We're not, you know,
we're just trying to help people reset, find
accountability, find healthier habits right now.
The legal and structured or structural reform.
conversations are really important and we welcome
others to lead them. But CollectorsMD exists
for the human side, for recovery, support and
community, because while laws might change someday,
and hopefully they do, collectors need help today.
So we can't just, you know, sit back and wait.
We need to address this head on immediately right
now. And that's what we're doing. And the other
thing I wanted to talk about is how CollectorsMD
is, you brought up a good point. You know, this
is a group effort. CollectorsMD has never been
just about me. Alyx Effron, as the face of CollectorsMD
or anything like that, you know, I'm not an egotistical
person at all. It's always been about the group.
The whole point is that it's a peer support effort.
When people come into our meetings, they aren't
walking into a lecture or listening to one person
talk to them. They're stepping into a circle
where everyone's voice matters. Where listening
is just as important as sharing. And some weeks,
you know, a member story or reflection might
hit harder than anything I could have ever written
myself. Other weeks, you know, it's the quiet
presence of someone just showing up that makes
all the difference, right? So the power of CollectorsMD
is all in the collective. It works because we're
all in it together. We're trading honesty for
honesty, accountability for accountability. So
it's not my movement. It's not my company. It's
our movement. So I want to make that really clear.
I'm glad that you said that. And so here's the
thing that I want to end with this. And again,
I appreciate all the time. I want to make sure
that anybody that's watching this, listening
to this, understands that real impact of if you
are buying packs weekly, monthly, you just have
this routine. Again, I am working on a book of
trying to help. fix the violent nature of schools.
And the problem that we have as human beings
is once we get into routine, it's very difficult
to get out of it. And what addiction does is
it creates a routine that you can't break. And
what you can, if you even feel it a little bit,
go to Collectors MD just so you know, like Alyx
said, you're not alone. You are not alone. Just
go and just be a part of it. You don't have to
say anything. You don't have to do anything.
Just know that if you do get into trouble, you
can just kind of like, all right, you know what?
I got to deal with this now. Because the last
thing, certainly that I want, and it's obviously
the reason why you started CollectorsMD, is I
don't want someone to get themselves in so deep
that they don't know what to do anymore. That's
the danger. That's the danger that I see and
I don't want. I want people to know that you're
okay. You're in this with other people. Hopefully,
hopefully you can get control over what's happening
and then bring your loved ones into this because
support needs to be more than one person. It's
not just CollectorsMD and I'm done. No, no, no.
CollectorsMD is part of a whole plan. You'll
have CollectorsMD as a community support group.
You have to then bring in some loved ones and
say, look, I'm dealing with this. And they can
then provide you with more support. But I think
that in terms of the entire. program, I think
CollectorsMD should be in everyone's conversation
as to, and even if you don't have addiction,
even if you're just somebody who's like me, who's
like, you know what, I have difficulty letting
go of stuff. I think joining makes sense because
it is about community. And this is a community
of people who love cards just like you. They're
the same as you. even if you don't have a problem.
And so therefore, if you don't, you can also
provide support to someone who does. And that
way, especially if it grows big enough, there
can be these subchapters within each state and
within each location. That's what we're working
towards. We're actually rolling out the Collectors
MD. um location in uh Colorado in the coming
weeks which is really exciting i'm actually based
in jersey so um just spreading uh presence across
the country on the west coast is just it's it's
really really uh terrific thing so i have a few
things um Doc that um i want to share uh first
of all thank you so much for the support uh truly
um you know grateful and humbled by all the kind
things that you're saying about what we're doing.
You know, one thing I want to bring up is one
of the biggest issues collectors have faced for
years, if not decades, whether it's sports cards,
Pokemon cards, or any other chase -driven collectible.
It could be sneakers. It could be watches, handbags,
NFTs, you know, digital packs or loot boxes in
gaming, right? They've all sort of felt like
when they're struggling, this sense of isolation.
People were sitting alone in their rooms, ashamed
and embarrassed to admit that what started as
a hobby had turned into something that felt more
like an addiction. They weren't just, you know,
hiding purchases from their loved ones, their
spouses, their family members. They were hiding
the truth from themselves, convinced nobody else
could possibly understand, right? That shame.
kept people quiet for far too long. And in that
silence, the cycle only got worse and worse,
especially as break culture was introduced. No
community, no accountability, no safe outlet.
It was just people struggling behind closed doors.
And trust me when I tell you, and I know you
know this, but to your audience, there are thousands
and thousands of people who have this problem.
What's changed now is that CollectorsMD exists.
The moment we built the space where people could
talk openly, something started to shift in the
hobby. Suddenly, collectors started coming out
of the woodwork. You know, people maybe you wouldn't
even expect. maybe some big -time collectors
that have a really, really strong presence and
voice in the hobby. And we're very private and
confidential, so we don't share the names of
members who join our meetings. But what I can
tell you is that there have been a handful of
people who have joined us who are well -known
in the hobby. So, you know, they come out and
they're sharing their stories for their first
time, realizing all along they weren't alone.
And the floodgates started to open, not because
the problem was new, but because finally there
was a safe, stigma -free place for people to
be honest about it. And so that's the power of
community. That's the power of today's digital
day and age, today's modern social environment.
We're able to offer things that we weren't able
to offer years ago, like a virtual meeting where
people can meet from across the world, right?
So we're proving every week that when shame breaks,
connection begins. And once people connect, recovery
can become possible. The other thing I wanted
to, sorry, go ahead. Just on one point, because
this is so key for anybody that's listening.
You said it's powerful. but that's because it's
empowering. The minute you speak or listen to
someone else that's going through something that
you are going through, it empowers you. So if
you're on the bubble, you're like, I don't know,
should I get involved or not? There's no harm
in joining. You can join, you can go, you cannot,
like it will only help. It can't hurt. There's
no catch. That's the best thing about CollectorsMD,
which is why I was like, you know what? This
is only positive if we're really talking about
positivity. What you're doing is a net positive.
There is no downside. The only downside is, like
you said, the silence and doing it in isolation.
So what you're doing is really fixing that. So
go ahead. Yeah, Doc, I appreciate it. I also
like what you said about, you know, folks who
might not have a problem or might not necessarily
be struggling with addiction can and should also
get involved. We actually talk about this quite
a bit in our meetings, in our recovery. There
are actually two main lanes and both are completely
valid and they both can coexist. For some people,
the sustainable choice is abstinence. That means
stepping away completely. No breaks. No boxes,
no apps, no buy, none of that. It's like closing
the casino door for good or sealing the bottle,
throwing it away. That's it. For these collectors,
every rip is just too risky. Every just one more
pack is just too tempting. It's too much of a
slippery slope. And so abstinence isn't about
punishment. It's about self -preservation. It's
choosing peace over constant relapse. I personally
self -excluded from gambling. In the state of
New Jersey, as well as New York and Pennsylvania,
I can't gamble on these apps anymore. And, you
know, I've found so much, you know, freedom in
that, like in that it was liberating because
I no longer feel like I'm a slave to those apps.
Now, obviously, we're talking about something
entirely different where you can't actually do
that. With that, I want to touch on. recovery
and how it looks for intentional collecting.
Maybe people like you, people who are involved
in the hobby don't necessarily have a problem,
but want to look at it through a different lens.
And that doesn't mean going back to old habits.
It means rebuilding a new relationship with the
hobby. It's all about collecting with boundaries
and purpose, focusing on cards or pieces that
carry meaning, sticking to your budget, avoiding
high risk breaking and finding joy and connection
rather than the chase. It's not quitting the
hobby. It's about reshaping it. So neither lane
is inherently better than the other. Recovery
isn't a one -size -fits -all. It's not cookie
cutter. What matters is honestly figuring out
which lane is sustainable for you, which makes
sense for you, and giving yourself permission
to choose it without shame. And so at CollectorsMD,
we respect both paths because both are about
the same thing, taking back control and rediscovering
what collecting was supposed to... feel like
in the first place. Absolutely. Alyx, I can't
begin to thank you enough for what you're doing.
Again, it's a net positive. For anybody that's
thinking about how we can make the hobby more
positive, Alyx is doing it. And if you have any
ideas on your own, like how else you could be
more supportive. First of all, join CollectorsMD.
The more, the merrier. Honestly, the bigger it
grows, the better the hobby gets because this
is a community that's going to actually help
people. And then on the back end with the larger
community, then you have influence. But at least
the community starts. from a good place. And
that's the key is right now, there is no community
that has a positive center at its core and CollectorsMD
does. So hopefully everybody is listening. Again,
Alyx, thank you so much. I really appreciate
it. yeah no of course Doc um i'm really glad
to see what you're doing and i'm glad we had
the opportunity to to connect i again apologize
for the sort of miscommunication we had in terms
of uh scheduling this but i'm really glad we
uh we got it locked in and i'm excited to uh
see the video, go live and have you share this
conversation with your audience. Because I think
it's one of the most, if not the most important
conversation that people in this space need to
be having right now. And the more that we can
spread this message and get the word out there
about what we're doing and why intentional collecting
is so incredibly important, we're going to be
able to... as a community collectively create
a healthier and more sustainable future for this
hobby that we know and love.