Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode
of Sports Card Madness. This is LZ. I am here
with Nick. Today on the show, we have Alyx, who's
the founder of Collectors MD. And this is really
going to be a cautionary tale of gambling, addiction,
really in the sports card world. And Alyx has
kind of turned his challenges. into a positive
opportunity that he's going to get into around
helping collectors in our space with addiction,
whether it be breaking or gambling. And he's
here to tell us all about it. We're going to
get into his story and how we got here. And then
we're going to end with where you can receive
help through Alyx and others. So, Alyx, welcome
to the show. Happy to have you on. Welcome, Alyx.
Thanks, LZ. Thanks, Nick. Really appreciate you
guys having me. You got it. Absolutely. Yeah.
So this is when when we heard about the service
that you are offering, it it really hit home
for us. This is a very important topic. Nick
and I do get into a lot around like where the
hobby is going. And we focus a lot on maybe like
let's call it like the sociology of of the hobby
and how people think and act and. When we heard
that you were kind of offered this, we were like,
we got to talk to you, Alyx. So I think a really
good place to start is just to tell your story
because your story is interesting. And I think
it's going to bring up a lot of follow -up questions
from us and even the audience. It's going to
get the audience thinking as well. Not just interesting,
but you've already told me the story prior to
recording. I think it's actually very relatable.
uh so are many people in the hobby as well and
i think this episode it's important to understand
like it's not just you you know what i mean like
if somebody else is going through this there
are other people as well and this will give it
some visibility yeah i appreciate that guys yeah
so why don't you dive right into it and tell
us how you got to where you are today what what
the story is yeah Yeah, so I've collected my
whole life. I grew up in the 90s. As a kid, I
was into Pokemon, you know, the Chicago Bulls
era, collecting Upper Deck. Fleer Topps. So it
was a part of my DNA from the very beginning.
As I got a bit older, graduated college, started
to earn some income, had an opportunity to start
spending some of that disposable income. I got
super into the sneaker community and I started
to collect sneakers. So for the better part of
my 20s, I was the sneaker guy. I was the sneaker
head. I got to a point. you know, where it started
to get a little bit out of hand. And I realized
that quickly when I was running out of space,
I was running out of, you know, space to put
these drop -down containers, which you actually
see behind me. It's my, what's left of my collection.
But at one point I did have 500 plus pairs of
sneakers and, you know, my wife, girlfriend at
the time would constantly give me grief that,
you know, it was just. becoming a problem. So
I started to kind of downsize, started selling
on platforms like eBay and StockX. And that was
really always my passion. You know, I would attend
SneakerCon and big releases, line up with friends
for, you know, the next Jordan release or collab
or whatever the case may be. And so, you know,
fast forward to 2020, pandemic hit, and everybody
was on lockdown. And a buddy of mine who knew,
obviously, I was into collecting reached out
to me about the sports card hobby. And he kind
of, you know, gave me some high level, you know,
ideas around ways that we could potentially monetize
through breaking. And I watched a few breaks
that he was hosting through a. an account called
Bogo Breaks. And so I was super interested. I
thought it was really cool. And, you know, basically
being reintroduced to the hobby, you know, got
me sucked in really, really quickly. And so me
and a few of my buddies that I grew up with,
again, we started this brand, Bogo Breaks, and
we were breaking on Facebook, Instagram. Throughout
the majority of the pandemic, I would say 2020
to 2021, we were doing it almost every night
and we were having a lot of fun. We were meeting
a lot of new people. It was a really, really
great opportunity for us to earn a little side
income, but also become acclimated with the community
that was really thriving at the time. We were,
I would say, again, doing it through the end
of 2021. And then we all kind of collectively
decided that, you know, we had to prioritize
work as things were starting to return to a state
of normalcy. And so everybody kind of just slowed
down. We went from doing it every night to once
a week. And eventually we kind of just stopped
altogether. But I was the one who continued to
join breaks by personals. And at first I was
like, this is great. I love the hobby. I love
collecting. I love sports. You know, this is
this is the perfect sort of combination for me.
And, you know, I collected and, you know, accumulated
cards similar to the whole sneaker hobby. And
it got to a point where I was like, I have. You
know, all of these cases of cards, what am I
going to do with them all? And eventually, again,
I started to realize that I was overspending
and I was trying to be involved in every single
release and every break. And there was this sense
of FOMO that if I didn't, you know, join a break
for the newest. product or the newest release
um i would be missing out and it's only exponentially
gotten worse since then right we um we all tend
to uh spiral when um you know things become more
and more hyped and that is exactly what's happened
with the hobby as Fanatics has taken over and
Whatnot has entered um the uh environment and
and everybody you know is learning about the
hobby and it's just becoming more and more mainstream.
And so through this entire process over the last
five years, I was also gambling and it got to
a point where, you know, I was spending thousands
of dollars in a break and getting skunked and,
you know, going on my phone, joining a live blackjack
table and trying to win the money back that I
had just lost on, you know, a break on, gambling
and it was this vicious cycle and it was just
you know only getting more and more serious and
i just wasn't realizing it i just thought oh
i'm just like another normal guy you know uh
everybody gambles they have the ads everywhere
they force it down your throat and um you know
i realized after you know a little while a few
really really bad nights or you know, tilt sessions
as we call them, but I had a problem. And so
I started to go to GA meetings and I was going
for, I would say about a year and a half, almost
two years. And I think they were helping a little
bit, but the problem was that, you know, folks
in those rooms didn't really understand the scope
of the sports card hobby and, you know, how.
There are so many synergies between the hobby
and gambling. And while, you know, I think I
had a deep rooted issue with just gambling in
general, it really was the sports cards that
was fueling that addiction. And so, you know,
I stopped going to those meetings because, again,
I just felt like I couldn't resonate with those
people or they couldn't. understand my story
and um you know what i was going through and
so i started to you know collect again um i wasn't
gambling because i did self -exclude uh but i
was you know i was joining breaks and i was buying
personals at you know Just a disgusting rate,
you know, spending thousands, if not tens of
thousands of dollars on a weekly, monthly basis.
And it just, again, it spiraled out of control.
Can we break down this path a little bit before
we... Because you mentioned a lot of different
things there that were interesting to me. The
first one was you mentioned that you were taking...
losses or winnings from the sports car breaking
world. And you were literally going to try to
recover that on the blackjack table. Did I hear
that correctly? That is correct. So when you
are, I'm not a big gambler, but obviously I've
been to casinos when you're doing like, like
that blackjack, you know, you're at the blackjack
table or the craps table or whatever you're playing.
Does that feel like when you're in a break to
you or does it feel different? It's similar there.
you know, a lot of feelings that you get when
you are doing either, right? You get that sense
of rush. You get that excitement that, you know,
next big hit is just going to deliver that, that
dopamine hit that your, you know, your body is
craving. I would say there are some differences
where with sports guards, there's the nostalgia
factor. There's the fact that you, you know,
are chasing something that you want to. collect
or put in your personal collection whereas you
know with blackjack or gambling it's just you're
just trying to double your money right so the
collecting side of it when you were getting into
these breaks were you actually collecting or
were you hitting a getting a big hit and then
flipping it on eBay the next day it was both
it was you know it was it was 100 both Yeah,
I was, I was definitely collecting, you know,
I curate my collection and everything was in
order, I would photograph everything and post
it on Instagram. So I definitely, like, you know,
was trying my best, I think, subconsciously,
at least to focus on my collection or justified
as like, I'm collecting. But you know, when push
came to shove, and I, you know, spent $5 ,000
in one night and realized, I got that 5 % of
that. I would turn around and sell a portion
of my collection to recoup that money. So was
I really collecting? I don't know. Interesting.
So you were getting into breaks. Were you also
buying wax? Were you buying boxes and ripping
them yourself and getting a high off of gambling
that way as well? Yeah, I was buying a lot of...
personal boxes through breakers, whether it be
on Instagram or Whatnot, or Fanatics Live. But
I was also, you know, going to my LCS or to Walmart
or target to, to buy boxes, to, to open myself,
to kind of scratch that itch for sure. So when
you went through this process, one of the big
questions I have, I actually, it's funny, like
I communicate with my wife all the time when
I buy like a big card or a set or something like
that. Were you open about what you were spending
with your girlfriend or wife at the time or were
you hiding it from them? I was hiding it. She,
my wife now, we've been married now for two and
a half years. She knew that I had, you know,
an addiction. You know, it's kind of hard to
hide, especially when things start to accumulate.
She knew that I was a degenerate gambler, but
she didn't know the extent. She didn't know how
much money I was spending, how much money I was
losing gambling or winning. You know, there were
ups and downs, but I was definitely hiding it
from her. And that's something we're still working
through today. Alyx, you brought us to the story
and you started as a sneakerhead, like you said.
You had over 500 sneakers. You were chasing the
latest drops and going to the shows. You were
buying them on, I think you said eBay, and there
was another platform as well. What do you think
the difference is between the highs of the sneakerhead
days of you versus... now card collecting and
it feels like in your story that things went
like really hardcore totally different direction
when you got into to cards and i'm wondering
if you've done any like self -reflection on why
that is is it marketing is it like what what
could it be yeah that's a great question lg i
think um With sneakers, when you would chase
a release or you knew something was coming out
and you planned to buy it or you had an opportunity
to buy it because you won a raffle or you waited
in line, you knew what you were spending your
money on, right? The newest Jordan 3 black cements
that just came out, you knew you were spending
$220 on those. Or if you were paying resale or
aftermarket value, you knew you were spending
$400 on a pair of sneakers. With wax, with breaking.
with sports cards and the TCG, you don't know
what you're getting. You're spending upwards
of two, three, $400 a box for, for a hobby box.
And you don't know what the contents of that
box is. You don't know if you're going to get
back 5 % of your value. You don't know if you're
going to get back a thousand percent, you know,
like it's, it's so volatile and there are so
many nuances. that um it's it's a lot more exciting
because of that surprise factor and so from a
psychological perspective it's like it's it's
the high of the surprise or the high of not knowing
what you're going to get and it just brings a
whole nother level a whole nother high to the
to it yeah you're not breaking a box of you know
Topps Chrome Air Jordans you know what i mean
and then like exactly three of you get sketchers
and then you know so it makes sense um yeah you
know one of the things at the beginning of your
story i wanted to or actually probably the middle
of the story the gamblers anonymous thing you
know i i thought about this and i was like why
you know i wish more i was just thinking like
the collectors need something like this and you
entered that did you feel like it was effective
for this sports card addiction? Or do you feel
like it left something to be desired? And also,
were there other people dabbling in sports cards
in these groups? Yeah, it's a great question,
Mick. I felt like there was definitely something
still left to be desired. And that's one of the
reasons why I stopped going to those meetings.
At first, it was... It was therapeutic because
I had an outlet where I could go and just speak
my mind. I could talk about whatever I wanted.
Judgment -free zone. People would provide feedback.
And, you know, I'd chit -chat with people after
these meetings. I got to meet, you know, other
people that have gone through very similar things.
But no one could really relate to sports cards.
And, you know, to the average Joe. sports cards
are very um you know juvenile it's it's a children's
it's a children's hobby it's like you're collecting
toys you know like it's sneakers are similar
in that sense but like not to the same extent
when you sports cars or pokemon you know you
think of your childhood right and so it was really
hard to connect with those people um but there
were there were a handful of other people i would
say two or three other people that i met through
my experience in ga that also dabbled with sports
cards interesting was that support so did that
support group so you said that you you weren't
necessarily getting what you needed were they
taking you seriously because you mentioned like
the the fact that sports cards are are thought
of as being a bit juvenile right and it's I could
see in scenarios where you're going and you're
talking about your issues and they're just like,
oh, I mean, whatever. That's just sports cars.
Big deal. I'm dealing with alcoholism. That's
a real addiction, Alyx. Did you ever get static
like that from anybody? A little bit, but for
the most part, I was also gambling and I was
gambling a lot of money. I guess some validity
in that. But if I showed up to the room and just,
you know, solely talked about how I was, you
know, buying sports cards and I consider that
gambling or it's having the same impact on me
that gambling would, I'm sure people would be
open -minded. be willing to take it seriously.
And I say that because GA isn't necessarily just
for people who are addicted to sports betting
or casino. There are people that come in who
have addiction to the stock market, you know,
have issues with day trading. There are other
realms of, or forms of gambling or other, you
know, hobbies that definitely mimic gambling.
All right. That's good. So I do. So me and Nick,
you went through this story and we kind of eventually
jumped in with a lot of questions because this
is a very interesting story. But we did kind
of cut you off. And I think we ended with you,
you know, trying to get help, going to Gamblers
Anonymous, finding out that it's not really for
you. And then we kind of jumped in. Is there
anything like more to the story that you want
to tell? tell the rest of your story and then
certainly talk about now where you are today.
Yeah. So there's definitely another side to it,
right there. I would like to think of this entire
project I'm working on as a two pronged effort,
right? There's the support side of it where there
needs to be some sort of outlet or safety net.
for individuals like myself who have gone through
what I've experienced with collecting or with
the sports card hobby specifically. But on the
other hand, the sports card hobby in general,
and I think we all have collectively either agreed
on this or have talked about it to an extent,
has become the Wild West. And there is no regulation.
There is no gaming commission or SEC looking
over, you know, the shoulders of Fanatics or
Whatnot, or any of these, you know, massive conglomerate,
you know, conglomerates of companies that hold
the keys to everything. And so I think there
just needs to be some accountability. And if
we can't hold Fanatics and Whatnot and eBay and
Panini, you know, accountable, then we can at
least hold ourselves accountable. And so. My
biggest message, and I'll get into Collectors
MD shortly, but my biggest message that I want
to preface is that I am by no means anti -hobby.
I still love the hobby. I still love sports cards.
I still have my, you know, what's left of my
personal collection, pieces that, you know, I
never want to part ways with for a number of
reasons, and it has nothing to do with their
value. But, you know, it's okay to love the sports
cards. As long as you hold yourself accountable
and are making sure that you're not hurting yourself
or those around you. All right. So let's talk
about Collectors MD a little bit. Actually, before
that, I did have one very quick question. What
is a tilt session? Oh, man. So a tilt session
is when you go from this to that. Okay. Thank
you. Gambling is a very, very slippery slope.
And, you know, your intention or, you know. what
you think you're doing in that moment could be,
yeah, I'm just sitting down for, you know, quick,
a few rounds of blackjack. I'm only going to
play with a couple hundred bucks. I'm only going
to bet 50 bucks on this, this, you know, college
basketball game. And then next thing, you know,
you're in full tilt. Got it. Yeah. You're spending
everything and it's, it's all. I think, yeah,
I mean, I've seen the terminology before, but
I never knew what it meant. So this story is
kind of led up to now, basically. I think I talked
to you last week and you formed Collectors MD,
as LZ talked about in the beginning. How can
this organization help? Can they help right now?
You know, what's your vision for helping people
like you? Yeah. So first of all, I've never been
this excited or passionate about any project
that I've worked on. And it's an idea that I've
been toying with for a number of years because
I've acknowledged and realized that I have a
real problem now for for quite some time. And
so. a huge part of launching something along
the lines of Collectors MD, I think I was scared
for a while. I had a sense of what's called imposter
syndrome, where I wasn't sure that I was the
right person or qualified to carry such an important
message. But finally, I realized that, you know,
if I don't do this now, then when is it going
to happen? Who's going to do it? Who's going
to be responsible for for something like this?
Because as the hobby continues to grow, it's
only going to get worse and worse. You know,
they're bringing in they're targeting younger
people who aren't educated. There's just, you
know, no end in sight as to like where this could
potentially be headed. And so last week, I. You
know, bought a premium subscription with WordPress,
created a domain, an email address, an Instagram
account. You know, it wasn't expensive. It didn't
require any sort of like, you know, investment
or anything like that. And I created Collectors MD.
I actually originally branded it. as collectors
anonymous but i want something like this to be
uh more approachable and uh hopefully more mainstream
in the long run so um what collectors nd is it's
a support driven platform for people who collect
uh anything from sports cards to you know tcg
to sneakers to handbags to luxury goods so i
want to you know um emphasize that this is for
everybody in the collecting world it's not necessarily
just for sports cards but that's what we're focused
on right now and it's for those people who have
felt overwhelmed overextended or even you know
out of control with their collecting and it's
a space where uh you know We're focused on accountability,
reflection, and community built by someone who's
actually lived it. So like I said before, we're
not anti -hobby. We're pro boundaries. We still
love the chase. We love the stories and the nostalgia,
but we believe you shouldn't have to lose yourself
in order to really enjoy it. And so through things
like daily reflections, real collector stories.
your support groups um and hopefully eventually
future educational resources Collectors MD is
here to help people who collect with intention
and not compulsion so we're creating a space
for the conversations this hobby has avoided
for too long and it's not just about judgment
it's about support because you can love collecting
and still protect yourself while you're doing
it All right, Alyx. So next week I decide to
sign up. I go on your website and I'm yes, I
want to get involved. I want to get some help.
What am I going to experience? Because this you
admitted, right? This is this is early stage
for this venture. What what is the next, let's
say, 90 days look like for me if I start getting
involved in your your organization? Yeah, that's
a great question. I've been having a lot of conversations,
one on ones, just. Speaking with people on the
phone who are in the same shoes as me or have
experienced loss or are going through really
tough times. And it's been really, again, therapeutic
for not just me, but the other person to be able
to have these conversations and be open again
in a judgment free. zone to share what we've
gone through. And so in the short term, I am
collecting as no pun intended, as many names
and email addresses as I can, so that I can start
hosting virtual meetings that will mimic the
experience of being in a GA room. And even if
it's just half a dozen people at first, you know,
that's still enough. of a community for people
to join and reflect, self -reflect, share feedback,
and have, you know, a space and a safety net
to fall back on when they're not feeling, you
know, the best about themselves. Yeah, you know
what's crazy about this space? Like, you've got
gambling companies like in Vegas or even DraftKings,
you know, they fund. groups like this they have
call centers that are funded by people that help
they have mental health professionals um they
have caps they can set you know i've been on
the super bowl with my son like i see like this
responsible betting caps and things i'd love
to see more of that enter the sports card space
you know like watching Fanatics take a real serious
stance with this and say like you know maybe
on the back of a box like here's your odds and
it's gambling or um on a break you know here's
here's some guardrails on this break so you don't
just blast the credit card you know i don't know
it's interesting yeah there are no guardrails
in place that's that's such a great point nick
and it's not just gambling i mean think about
like alcohol brands they are constantly promoting
responsible drinking you know you know against
drinking and driving underage drinking things
like that every single uh you know, category
or company that, you know, has some risk associated
with it. Those companies have a corporate responsibility
to share that message or, you know, at least
endorse those types of messages in order to prevent
people from spiraling out of control. And even
when those people spiral out of control, they
offer some sort of service or resource. Hey,
you're, you know, you're gambling too much or
you have a problem. You know, somebody who has
a problem. Paul, one 800 gambler or something
like that exists. At least, you know, it's, it's
not enough in my opinion, but it's at least something.
And to your point, Nick, that does not exist
in whatsoever. It doesn't. All right. So time
is flying. LZ and I usually do like a final question
for each other. If you've ever listened to the
show, but we're going to include you in on this
as well. And I think this question will be helpful
because we're going to almost crowdsource feedback.
for this organization for you. So this question
really goes out to the audience on audio. It's
sportscardmadness at gmail .com. Hit either me
or LZ up on Instagram or leave in the comment
section. Yeah, comments. It's going out to all
of you. So we'll let you go last because you're
the guest, but I'll kick the question up. LZ
will go first. My question is, if you had a gambling
problem, a sports card gambling problem, or...
If you can't possibly think that you're ever
going to have a problem and you're perfect, your
brother -in -law has one. Yeah, my brother -in
-law does have a lot of problems. I'm just messing
with you, man. Whoever, right? Your cousins,
uncles, you know, whatever, has a problem. What
is the one thing that you would want to see out
of this program that could help them? So LZ will
go, I'll go, then you'll go, and then we'll wrap.
All right. So I want to give you know me, man.
I don't like to just go with one. I like to give
you a couple a couple options. He cheats all
the time. So as as Alyx was talking about this,
I was thinking about I do think that you should
not reinvent the wheel. And some of these programs
do work. Gambling Anonymous, Alcohol, Alcohol
Anonymous, Alcoholics Anonymous. I think a sponsor
would be really helpful. Having somebody. who's
lived and breathed this that I could potentially
just send a text message to or or give a call
to and like, hey, man, I made a mistake last
night. I went way too hard on this break or I
see this card on eBay. I really need it for my
collection, but it's 10 grand. I can't afford
it. Like, help me out. Right. I think I think
that would be helpful. Also, Alyx, as you're
describing, you built this website last week.
I think one of the things that I would recommend
you do, and this is going to happen over time,
right? Because this is going to cost money. But
building infrastructure to actually have some
virtual sessions with people as well. Like you
see this, this is becoming a huge, huge thing
with all of these online therapy. uh services
that are out there and there's a lot of tele
telehealth technology out there so i think this
is probably more like medium to long term for
you it would be great if you could outsource
some of your therapy to maybe some additional
professionals and you're gonna have an online
therapy session a telehealth session with somebody
So those two ideas that came to my mind, Nick,
what were some of the ones that you were thinking
about? Well, you cheated and did two, so I'm
going to do two. Fair enough. Fair enough. Alyx,
the question for you is almost like, what would
you like to accomplish if you had like... you
know, not unlimited money, but you had the means.
So my two, it's similar. The first one, similar
to what you said, this is free. Big brother,
you know, big sister programs have done great
for a hundred years for a reason. It's a perfect
mentorship. Those have more of a positive spin,
right? But like, I love this idea of, you know,
somebody that's struggling and if they are struggling,
they could just call you Alyx, you know, just
to start. Right. And then as your time gets sucked
up, You have another person that they can call
and you have like this, you know, this two way
relationship, like a big brother, little brother,
you know, little brother type of thing. I think
that would be absolutely pretty, pretty cheap.
And it'd be kind of cool. The other thing that'd
be awesome is getting a real mental health professional.
You know, like I myself have a therapist that
helps with, you know, not just performance coaching,
but also, you know, like mental health stuff
that she's great. And I think that this space
could benefit like. we all have our stuff, you
know, and if people are having issues with gambling
and things like that, like getting somebody and
yeah, this, this will cost some money, but they
have excess time. And if you could get on a virtual
call with somebody for a half hour, maybe, or
maybe not covered by insurance, whatever, you
could talk to them and just say like, Hey, you
know, here's my problems. And they can at least
give you a framework, you know, to start with.
I think that'd be amazing down the road. Yeah.
This, this is what I'm talking about. I mean,
what I, love about this conversation is that
it's allowing for collaboration. It's allowing
for all of us to put our heads together and come
up with some ideas to create, you know, a sense
of positive change for a hobby that we love.
And that's so important to me. So, you know,
with that said, you know, I want to be able to
offer the community educational resources beyond
just therapy, right? Like things like you know,
budget trackers, or, you know, like, yeah, I
don't checklists for specific products coming
out, where like, you don't have to focus on the
entire product, it could just be like, a few
of your favorite players, Mike, I don't know,
I'm just spitballing. But, you know, again, educational
resources to help people that are new to the
hobby, and people who have been in the hobby
for a long time, understand. the nuances, and
also understand the risks and danger of being
involved in such a lucrative hobby. Great. Alyx,
I love that. If I go back to an episode that
me and Nick did probably at least a year ago,
we talked about how if you're going to get into
the hobby, you need to have a real plan. So I
think to your point, you could give some resources
on Trying to figure out what you really want
to collect, like come up with a plan instead
of just buying everything, just chasing anything
and everything. Maybe you identify that, oh,
this is my favorite athlete or my favorite sport.
I'm only going to focus here. That would be great.
Yeah. Or even if you do want to gamble, then
you could say this is how you gamble responsibly.
Totally. Almost like a life coach of sorts or
an advisor. Sure. Right. And then another one,
I mean, we're doing it right now. I think, I
think you should do a podcast. I think that would
be a great addition to what you're trying to
do. You could have, you know, people come on
and tell their stories similar to you. I mean,
that's the way you help people out, man. So yeah,
no, I would love to do something like that. Yeah,
for sure. Cool. All right. So we're going to
finish it up. Why don't you tell the audience
how they can get in touch with you, how they
can find your services, what your website is,
all those great things. Yeah, absolutely. You
guys can check out Collectors MD. It's @ Collectors MD
on Instagram. We've also launched Twitter, TikTok,
Discord. We're going to be everywhere so that
regardless of where you are consuming your content,
you'll be able to check us out. Right now, we
are focused on Instagram as it's only been a
week that we launched. But you can also check
out our website, collectorsmd .com. You can email
us at info at collectorsmd .com or you can just
shoot us a DM. And I am happy to speak with any
and everybody. I just want to have a conversation
and honest conversation and, um, you know, spread
the, spread the word, spread awareness. So, well,
that's beautiful. That's great. Thanks for coming
on Alyx and in the audience, don't be shy. Thank
you guys. Leave feedback, um, what you'd want
to see out of this service in the comments or
just, you know, email us or DM us or whatever.
Thanks again. All right. Great. Thanks Alyx.
Thanks so much guys. Really appreciate it. Bye
everybody.