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Bill, what a difference a year makes. I mean,

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where were we this time last year after the first

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series of the year? After leaving Chavez and

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Chet, the sandbox, San Diego treated us a heck

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of a lot better. We're now two and one heading

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to Arizona. Let's go Tigers. You're listening

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to The Litterbox, a Detroit Tigers podcast with

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your hosts, Chet West and Bill Patterson. Litterbox

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listeners, we got a first series under our belt

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We got some highlights. We got some low lights

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We got a couple guys that kind of wonder how

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long they'll be Tigers and a couple other guys

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I hope are Tigers for a really long time based

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on what we saw in a very small sample size bill

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What was your take? Who'd you like? Well, I mean,

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let's not bury the lead here chat Kevin McGonagall

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was nothing short of sensational I am shocked

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you got you got him out of the gates first. Come

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on. I mean, I got to give the people what they

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want and that's more people what they want. It's

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more KMAC. It's more KMAC. He was four for five

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in opening day. It was all the buzz around baseball.

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You know, the Buster onlys and Jeff Pathsons

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of the world that have been touting how great

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of a prospect Kevin McGonagall is. Their prophecies

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came true. And will he revert to the norm at

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some point in this year? Of course, you know,

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second time, third time through the lineups are

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going to, you know, when he sees the twins, you

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know, the third time it's going to get tougher.

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However, he's off to a magnificent start. And

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I do have to give props to Dylan Dingler behind

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the plate. Also carrying a very mean bat after

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picking up where he left off after his little

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procedure that had me more worried than you.

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And I have to say, Chet, the Tigers and Scott

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Harris are building a young nucleus that could

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be very feared in the American League for the

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long term. What are your thoughts? I buy that.

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I buy that. There are a couple guys I do worry

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about. Well, let's talk about them. I needed

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to see a little more in the first series of the

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season. You want to see guys get off to a good

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start. I know. that Kerry Carpenter is going

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to find something at some point. But watching

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him go, oh, for the world this past weekend.

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I mean, the guy hasn't had a hit. I think he's

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had a walk or maybe two. I worry the strikeouts,

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you know, you get Riley Green out there with

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I think Riley had one hit all weekend long and

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a walk. We need these guys. We need the Riley

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Greens and the Kerry Carpenter's to step it up

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and. Torek, up until yesterday, had a couple

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of hits under his belt. We just need those guys

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to be good. Colt Keith, he pulled his weight.

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He did fine. Matt Vierling, we're going to need

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some hits out of Matt Vierling if he's going

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to play. Zach McKinstry, he did fine. You know,

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there's a couple of guys on this team are going

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to have to find some consistency. So first series,

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I don't want to get too worked up, but I really

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wanted to see Cary Carpenter and Riley Green

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get off to a fast start. And I just they didn't.

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So. I'm going to pick on them a little bit. McGonagall

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is great. And you're right. We're going to see

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how he adjusts. That's the real catch here. Right.

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It's you can come out and shock some people.

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How do you adjust when they adjust to you and

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your strengths? Absolutely. Going back to like

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just the core group. I stand corrected. I know

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Colt Keith when he has his slumps draws my ire

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and I know you tried to talk me off the ledge.

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I owe an olive branch to you and Mr. Keith on

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this because He is pulling more than his weight.

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He's playing third base now, which is another

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position change. He has just been so versatile

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and it just makes me dislike the Gley bar Gley

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bar tender, if you would, that he accepted because

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who else wanted Gley bar? And I'll let you do

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your Gley bar story right now. And then we'll

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circle back to my concerns with both carp and

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Riley Green and why I think it's a duplicate,

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meaning they're basically the same type of hitter.

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And I think for the Tigers own sanity and lineup

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sake, they need to get rid of one trade. I'm

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not ready to go quite that route yet. And if

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I'm keeping one of them, I'm keeping Riley just

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because I think he's the, his health is a little

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more stable than, than Carrie. Carrie is so streaky.

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I mean, when Carrie's hot, he's hot. He's one

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of the better hitters in the game for power,

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especially from the left side. But when he's

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not, he just sort of disappears and then an injury

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will creep up. It just kind of gets to the point

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where maybe Kerry, maybe we've seen the ceiling

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there and we're not going to get too much more.

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I don't know. Again, early don't want to pick

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on him too much. Love to see Dingler. Do you

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think Dingler is a top five catcher? In my opinion,

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yes. I don't think he baseball recognizes him

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quite is not quite yet. Right. But I think you

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and I are paying closer attention to it as most

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Tigers fans are. And I think he will be if this

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continues throughout this season. We have to

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remember it's only truly his year two season.

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And typically local fans, local podcasters like

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ourselves are a little bit ahead of the curve

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of the national media on that. He will also get

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overshadowed this season because of Kevin McGonigal.

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But I'd like you to share your Glabar quip that

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you texted. Our tiger screw up yesterday. It's

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one of these Gley bar Torres things, right? Like

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we're in a zero zero game at them at the time

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and you've got a guy on first and third I Believe

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if I'm not mistaken, there were two outs There

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might have only been one I my memory is not great

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as I was coming in and out watching the game

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But Jake Rogers throws a seed to second. There's

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a guy stealing from first Gleyber moves over

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to the bag to catch the ball coming down and

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kind of Alligator arms just short arms the thing.

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I think he saw the runner coming in But it wasn't

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there wasn't gonna be a vicious collision I mean

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it would have been a perfect throw and a tag

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would have got the runner easy And he just kind

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of alligator armed it and it tipped off his glove

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went into centerfield It was just one of those

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things really came at like have some hard here.

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You're in a tight game I know it's game three

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of the season It's not a playoff game. It's not

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a postseason game. Again, we're ranting a little

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and we're only a series into this deal. But these

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are the things I look at him like 24 million

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for this guy. Like, and I know it's him picking

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up an option. But, man, we're spending 50 mil

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on him and Baez right now, which is just I just

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don't it doesn't add up in the productivity.

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Like he's a vet. He should make that play. Jake

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Rogers kind of look on his face like, what more

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do I have to do? Can I give you a couple thoughts

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on this? It wasn't like Ty Cobb was there. We

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all know the infamous Cobb story that he would

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sharpen his spikes on the bench and just stare

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at the opposing team short stops. And a guy from

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third scored when he missed it. So it gave up

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a run and put another guy in scoring position.

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It was just a mess. Yeah. And so my second question

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for you on this is we had really good outings.

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Game one from Tarek Scoobal. The only complaint

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I heard local media say or local fans. It wasn't

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media Stating like oh he didn't he wanted to

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be pulled like he didn't want to go out for the

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seventh and it's What was the point they were

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dominating and rolling at that? Yeah, you only

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have to save him He only has so many and I'd

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say and so just save him the game was in hand

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I don't have a problem with that early in the

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season like this we get to that playoffs and

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you start pulling them after five I'm gonna be

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I'm gonna be a little more sour That'll happen

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at then he's too much. I don't either I don't

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think it will but he has been known To get pulled

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early in games and that's been kind of the knock

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on him And so he's gonna have to you know That's

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part of what got to live with is hearing that

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knock and he doesn't throw that many innings

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He's not one of those guys that goes past six

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innings very often So he went six innings three

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hits and a run six K's. That's a very workman

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like outing for Tarek scubal. That's a You know,

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that's a that's a patented terror school pitching

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effort there. I will say you start on the pitching.

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We can fade over to pitching now. Well, we have

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our school was so solid. Yeah, go. We're on it.

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Well, one more point about this is when fans

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say, like, why doesn't he do complete games?

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He doesn't pitch like Greg Maddux. He's not pitching

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for ground ball contact. A high effort guy. Yeah.

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Meaning that he's going to get strikeouts, but

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he's going to wear hitters down. Sure. So it

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takes. Six pitches seven pitches Greg Maddox

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was okay. Hey, it's Greg Maddox different Yeah,

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you're talking about a unicorn here to a degree

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I mean two unicorns 90 and on the paints the

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corners, but it's look look I I'll take what

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scubal offers. He's obviously a great pitcher

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It's just that is his one knock as he's a five

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six inning guy typically We'll watch that as

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the season goes on and we'll take it. I what

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I would like to call out our starting staff was

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great. Was great all weekend. Flaherty did not

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have a bad outing yesterday. No, I would have

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liked to seen him go a little bit longer than

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4 .1. Yeah, but I don't want to skip over. Framber

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was Every member was everything he's built to

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be he got into trouble and he got out of it and

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that is the difference between him being like

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the Professional the true professional he is

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very good in a guy like it's Reese Olsen that

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might have not been able to get it And I'm not

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picking on Reese. I'm just saying experience

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just there's an experience and I know we're paying

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him a lot of money It's not our money. It's Chris,

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which is money And I think it's going to be a

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solid investment. Flaherty wasn't terrible yesterday.

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And I have one for you. Flaherty didn't give

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up any homers. Usually he gives up a go for ball

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or two. And it was, it's, you know, it's Petco.

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So it's a deep park. Yeah. His problem though,

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he did walk. They did hit him hard. Well, they

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hit him hard when they made contact and he walked

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four, which is concerning. Four walks isn't going

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to cut it. We never said that we were going to

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live and die this season. Nope. By Jack Flaherty.

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So I'll tell you. Hold on. Okay, go on. No, no,

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tell me tell me I want to hear I'm gonna tell

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you had a good outing yesterday was her guy Connor

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Siebold We gave him a lot of guff in the first

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episode figure out why we signed the guy he two

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and a third Gave up a hit in three K's through

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50 pitches. The guy was in there for you know,

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a third of the ball games Hats off Connor Siebold

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way to start the season off years and if we had

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to throw a little shade towards the pitching

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staff, which there isn't a whole lot to throw.

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Not a lot. Jerry Anderson was not magnificent

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opening day. No, but to no damage. OK, so let's

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let's see. He gets a get out of jail free card.

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We won the game. I'm not too darn worried about

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it. You know who was actually quite good on opening

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day was your boy. Anytime, anywhere, any day.

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Jesus was quite good. on a uh well actually sorry

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game two he pitched he gave us an inning a hit

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two k's that's what you want from him i'm happy

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to see that uh kyle finnegan did his job walked

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one guy but got two k's got out of the inning

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kenley jansen everything he was billed to be

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closed it out one inning three k's struck out

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the side kenley jansen still got it so i'm happy

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with our pitching i think our pitching is that

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bullpen might be one of the single Most improved

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aspects of this team right now. I think it yes,

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and I think if we can get the young hitting Namely

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Dingler McGonagall get either green or carp.

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I don't even expect both with Keith I think we're

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off to good things this year. I think our starting

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staff looks good. I think our pen looks better

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So next up we've got a trip to Phoenix in the

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Arizona Diamondbacks Who just came off a three

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game series against the Dodgers? So of course

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they are oh and three And the Tigers are now

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facing them. We've got JV up against Soroka.

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Game one. Game two is going to be Casey Mize

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against, I'm going to mispronounce it, but I

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think it's Fad. Fad? Fad. Brendan Fad. Fat. Fat.

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Fat. Fat. Fat. Okay. Fat. Brendan Fat. F -A -A

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-D -T. That's, that's a tough one. It's a tough

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one. My apologies. Brendan Fat. Fat. And then

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we do not know it's to be determined. It's Zach

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Galin pitching for Arizona. It's going to be

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the only day game. Everything else is a 9 -10,

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9 -10 central time start. These are late games.

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Arizona does not. That's the Wednesday game.

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Yeah, yeah, that's Wednesday. And that's the

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to be determined question chat. Yep. It should

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be scubal scheduled start. Might the Tigers do

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something like hold him for their home opener

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Friday against the Cardinals? And if so, why?

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So my my only concern with that is it was billed

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that Verlander's first start was going to be

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Sunday night baseball at home against the Cardinals.

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If you do that and you bump Scubal when do you

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and you start him on Friday? Okay for the home

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opener Where does verlander pitch do we just

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slot him in the three? Instead of Flaherty all

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the sudden just so we can have him pitch that

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weekend I mean, this is kind of you get into

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the marketing of things, right? I don't know.

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I think scubal is gonna pitch on schedule I don't

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think they're gonna mess with schedules this

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early I hope you're right, and I think you're

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right. Pitch Wednesday, you're going to get Verlander

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on Sunday night. I just found it just kind of

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odd. Totally early in the year. Totally good.

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I mean, barring injuries, I see where you're

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going. I see how you're trying to think through

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it. I don't think we're going to get off schedule

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quite yet unless something happens health wise.

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God hope it doesn't this early. But yeah, I see

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where you're going, though. That's your brain's

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working. It's just, I don't know that's going

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to happen. Yeah. All right. I think it would

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throw things off a little too much and bring

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questions where they're not necessary. Who are

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you looking for in this series? Who do you want

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to see click? I think we've already talked about

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it. I'm going to go with Riley green and or carp.

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We need one of the two. Yeah. I'm going to throw

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the question back at you. I think the natural

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answer you're probably going to give me is Torkelson,

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right? I know. I actually, Torque is fine. Torque

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is doing what Torque kind of does, right? He's

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gonna hit like 240. He's had a couple hits, had

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a couple good key hits over the last couple days.

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I think... I need to see Riley Green step it

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up. I'm not going to hold out for Carrie, and

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I don't think they're both going to just start

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raging at the same time. So I'd like to see Riley

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Green get it going. I need to see him be the

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superstar that everybody thinks he's going to

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be. Another another guy to call out to maybe

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like, where are we going to get to see more Parker

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Meadows? Will we get to see more Parker Meadows

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in this series? He's taken up a spot. Chet, his

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time appears to be dwindling. You think so? We

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will have to see. I don't know. I mean, Viraline

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played center field yesterday, and I just don't

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know what to tell you. All right, Tiger fans,

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it's great being back. Baseball's back. It's

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the best time of the year. Chet, it's great talking

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to you. Litterbox listeners, thank you. And we'll

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be back with a food preview for Chase Field and

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the Arizona Diamondbacks. Go Tigers. All right.

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That's going to do it for this episode of the

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Litterbox, a Detroit Tigers podcast. Thanks for

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hanging out with us. We're Bill and Chet. We'll

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