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podcast with your hosts, Chet West and Bill Patterson.

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Welcome back to the Litterbox, a Detroit Tigers

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podcast, American league division round edition.

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And boy, do we have a few things to talk about

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that have surfaced from two very exciting games

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in Seattle. If not lacking offense at times,

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they think. The Tigers have sort of met their

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match in the department of inconsistent offensive

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output. I think Seattle is a little different

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from our Tigers, and that they rely on the power

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game. Our Tigers live on the edges, as we said

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earlier in the season, and that's when they succeed.

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We saw it a little bit in game one. We didn't

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see it so much in game two. Bill, what are you

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learning from these first two games of the ALDS?

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that maybe we didn't pick up in the wild card.

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Well, I think that solidly the Tigers exhaled

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just getting past the Guardians as we all thought

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they would. They just, that was the worst matchup

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they could have had for that wild card series.

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After playing that team six times, a hundred

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percent losing the division. And so now you face

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a Mariners team that the last time we played

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against them, we being the Tigers was just before

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the All -Star break. And before that, it was

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the second series of the year. So One of the

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things that I'm really enjoying is it's fresh.

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And I also love that, though I wish the Tigers

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had won game two, they won game one, three to

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two, they lost game two, three to two. But it

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was so refreshing to see the Seattle fans so

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engaged in their first playoff win in 20 years.

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And it was just neat because it's not Stephen

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Kwan and Ramirez just again and again. It's just

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them burning us again and again. Somebody else

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this time. The teams are really built very similarly,

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Chet. The difference being that the Mariners

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were more aggressive at the trade deadline, but

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any team could have been more aggressive than

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the Tigers. So let's not punch that bag. My question

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to you is, why is this Tigers team allergic to

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advancing runners when they're in scoring position?

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What has happened there? Because This was not

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the Tigers from the first half of the year. First

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half of the year, as we said, they lived on the

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edges, you know, they played the game on the

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edges. They took the extra base. They weren't

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stealing. They weren't swiping bags, but they

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definitely would stretch a single to a double,

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stretch a guy from first to third, get him into

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scoring position and thus bring him home at that

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point. We seem to be lacking. When a guy gets

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to second or third, it's like the hitter. presses

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way too much. It's almost like they know like,

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I got to get this guy in. It's the playoffs and

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I got to, are they not up to the moment? Or is

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it bad luck? Or is it just the ebb and flow of

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the game? Like I was sitting here watching these

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guys come like, how could you do this three months

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ago? And you can't do it now. It's very frustrating

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as a fan to watch this happen. So a couple of

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things I think are happening. Has the approach

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changed maybe? Well, There's a couple of things

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going on. Number one, this team strikes out way

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too much. It starts with their best player, Riley

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Green. And, you know, if you've looked at Dylan

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Dingler, who still had a remarkable season, he

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doesn't walk. And that's a huge issue because

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at this level, and when you're in the divisional

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round of the playoffs, which is awesome, you're

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going to face better pitching. And if they know

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you can't lay off some of their slop or some

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of their trickery, You're gonna do what Dingler

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did yesterday, which is look hapless against

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some Mariner pitching. And what I can't figure

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out is why this team isn't hitting sacrifice

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flies or why when there's a man on second and

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third, they hit a grounder to the shortstop.

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Like why? Can they not try to at least it's it's

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bad situational hitting to yeah, they're not

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hitting behind the runner Yes, they're hitting

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into do I so my my others the other side of this

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is you know, I think they're young I we do have

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to remember how young and how little MLB experience

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most of this lineup has Outside of Gleyber Torres

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and Javier Baez whoo if I can give yeah, I'm

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with you. Yeah I still say that Javier Baez was

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our MVP in the wild card round from a positional

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player. I can accept that. Scoobs was obviously

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the man, you know, from a pitching standpoint.

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The other portion of that is I think the Tigers

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are playing better now because Torres is back

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in the leadoff spot. Could be. Could be. Even

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if he doesn't hit, which he doesn't, his power's

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gone. He seems very stubborn in his approach,

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but the one thing that Gleybar Torres has done

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all season, he takes pitches. Yeah. Yeah. And

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it's, you've seen, as the season goes on, our

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on -base percentage has started to dwindle. Our

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on -base percentage, our OPS have all started

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to drop off a little bit. They don't walk. Our

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patience has left the building. I felt like we

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started the season off with more patience. And

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as the season's gone on, it's like they press

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and they press and they press to probably keep

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up with our expectations to some degree. I do

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think they're pressing a bit and they're young.

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So being able to identify the situation and things

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of that, maybe they don't have that veteran presence.

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Now, I was watching a game with my wife last

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night and she goes, who is this baby faced little

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young guy? And I sat there, he didn't say little,

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she said young. And I said, I was, oh, that's

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Riley Green. He's one of the youngest players

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in the team, but he's also our star on the offensive

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side of the ball. And she was like, oh, you got,

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she goes, he looks like he's 20 years old. I

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got 24. I was like, but you're not far off. And

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she sat there and said, he strikes out a little

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too much. Like he didn't, he hasn't developed

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his plate approach in his eye to its fullest

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yet. You got three years till this guy's at his

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peak. OK, that's that's kind of an eternity if

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you think about it. And many of the other guys,

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Kerry Carpenter hasn't been in the majors that

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long. He's not as young, but he's been in the

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majors for the same duration of time that Riley

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Green has been in the majors. They were basically

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rookies same year. I think maybe one of them

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got a little cup of coffee before the other.

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But Dylan Dingler, less service time. facing

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major league pitching. This is his first full

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season in the major leagues. So you're looking

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at this lineup. I go down the lineup, Colt Keith,

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second major league season. So it's Spencer Torkelson.

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He's probably been on, he's probably been around

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the longest by about one year. I mean, Torque's

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been up there for about three or four years now.

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So you start looking across these guys, Parker

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Meadows, even less time. Yes. So you gotta, you

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gotta line up that is not Seasoned yet. We'll

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put it that way. It's and they need more seasoning

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in these big moments. It's not a stand It's not

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a finished product. It's not a finished product

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and I do think like you're gonna hear the excuses

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I think they'll be lesser now that we've made

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it to the division series which in and of itself

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seems to be somewhat of a victory for this season

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for this team but because it didn't look like

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that was gonna happen for a while to get this

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far, but you look at some of these guys you're

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like man, they've They really don't have the

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experience to fall back on. I mean, even Scoobal,

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he's had two and a half good seasons under his

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belt right now. Prior to two and a half years

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ago, Scoobal was not the pitcher he is now. He

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was so young and still developing and he was

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hurt. He had been hurt for a year or two when

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he first came out. So there is an aspect. From

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a fan standpoint, as hard as it is to say it,

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we have to have a little patience. We have to

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have a little grace. But it's no less infuriating

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to watch it happen because you just want them

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to do it now because they're in the playoffs.

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Two years in a row, Division Series. If they

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get past the Division Series this year, I will

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officially call the 2025 season a success. I

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would as well. I think it's I think it's almost

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they're getting to the Division Series. At least

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we didn't step back from last year. And I would

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say overall on the season, we had a better season.

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We just had bad September. They can't do what

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they did last season, which is go up 2 -1 over

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the Mariners. Yeah. Which would happen if they

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won Tuesday and then lose the series like they

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did to the Guardians last year. They really got

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to put this thing away in Detroit. If they go

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up 2 -1, and they did in terms of they took one

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of the two games in Seattle. You know, now they

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have home field advantage. You're right. The

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problem is that yesterday's game was there for

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the taking and it's unrealistic to expect Scoobl

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to allow no earned runs every time he goes out.

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Yeah. He allowed two solo shots and they were

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good hit balls when you're throwing a hundred

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miles an hour. Guys are if they connect it's

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going out of the art. It's just physics Then

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the number one thing in the playoffs that a team

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has to do is take advantage of an opportunity

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when it presents itself Exactly in the playoffs

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letting an opportunity slide by you don't know

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when you're gonna get it again You're playing

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good teams good pitching good offenses typically

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you can't let it slide by in this team Let an

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opportunity or two slide by earlier in the game

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yesterday. Yeah, they were once again anemic

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with runners in scoring position, just like they

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were the previous night, but ended up pulling

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it through towards the end of the game. You know,

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you're seeing some battles here. I mean, you

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got one run games, both games. I think they're

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emptying bullpens. I mean, it's crazy. Last night

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or in game one, the Tigers used eight pitchers

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and the Mariners used seven. So this is a no

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holds barred situation for both teams now. You're

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seeing everybody gets to play. And they're throwing

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all sorts of things at the matchup while trying

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to figure out who can get who out. It's been

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fascinating to watch. I still don't know that

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we're up to it. If we make it to the ALCS, I'm

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going to tip my cap to this team because I think

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they will have over achieved. to a degree for

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what they're throwing out there. Now the problem

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everybody's basing this on is like Scubal's timeline

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because he's all world ace pitcher and everybody

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wants us to do something when we've got Scubal

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on the squad and you only get one more season

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to him after this and I think that's short -sighted

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to a degree. There's nothing to say that Troy

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Melton who looked quite nice in game one and

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in other previous appearances in the season and

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Rhys Olsen comes back healthy, let's hope, and

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you know you've got a couple pictures that could

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come up and be the next Scoobal is what I'm saying.

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Not saying it's going to happen. Just saying

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there's some potential there. So I see you brought

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up a really interesting point as well for the

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fact that you talk about Scoobal really. It's

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a small sample size of how much excellence he's

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had. Yeah. Again, whoever signs him to this monster

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contract and you and I. firmly believe it will

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not be the Tigers. And I don't know that that's

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a bad thing, because I don't know that what he's

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doing, Tarek Schubel, is sustainable long -term.

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And it could be a flash in the pan. History would

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tell you it's not sustainable. Yeah, yeah. And

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here's, we talk about the Tigers' young hitting.

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Keith Beauregard's the hitting coach. His age

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is 37, which makes him young for a hitting coach.

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I mean, young for a hitting coach. Yeah. I want

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to bring another topic up here and just watching

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Seattle, all the trades they made at the deadline

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this past year. I'm not seeing too many of those

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guys show up and do anything in this series so

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far. Suarez would not have been a great signing

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for us. He's doing nothing. He would have added

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to our problems of striking out. Exactly. The

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guy's batting 220 -something. I get it. He's

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got like 49 home runs, okay? Yeah, but how many

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of those happened in the first half of the season?

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I think didn't the bulk of those happen when

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he was a Diamondback? Yes. So, I mean, we're

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letting Cal Raleigh and Julio Rodriguez beat

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us up right now. That's fine. They're two of

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the best players in the game, and it's to be

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expected. I mean, you know, limit their damage

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and go from there. So we are back at Co -America.

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Upcoming and we will now have three games Potentially,

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hopefully it's only two How do you feel about

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the matchup between Jack Flaherty and Gilbert

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Logan Gilbert? That is This is a tough one. This

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is a tough one because Logan Gilbert's there

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Tarek scubal. Okay. He's been lights out all

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season long He's and now we're getting him in

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game three and so the planning that they put

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into this to seed him in the middle Kinda looks

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genius at this point Flaherty can run with him

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if he's got his best stuff going and that's a

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big if Flaherty pitched well last time out. He's

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had trouble consistently doing that this season

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And then for game four, it's interesting. It's

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to be to be decided for the Mariners. And we've

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got Casey Mize on the bump for the Tigers. So

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as much as I would love to say the Tigers take

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care of this at home, I think they've got their

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work cut out for them. I think they do. And I

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think it could be a five game series, which is

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what you initially said. I said Tigers in four,

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but they did take the game in Seattle. So it's

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all there in front of them. This team plays so

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much better at Comerica Park because that's truly

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where they can utilize their best assets in terms

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of running the base as well. And, you know, slowing

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the game down to their speed and not relying,

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because they're not built to have a big bopper

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come up like Cal Raleigh and just clean the bases.

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It's not what they do. What they do is they,

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I'm doing the bones or the saw the bone saw.

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Yeah. They hit doubles and they hit singles and

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they hit triples and Allah Torkelson last night

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pinning one down the first baseline and driving

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into runs. I think it was glorious Those are

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the things that they do to to extend the game

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to win the game. I did make one error I want

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to take something back. I said we're letting

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Cal Raleigh and Julio Rodriguez beat us I forgot

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to throw one guy in the new mr. October Jorge

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Polanco who apparently has scoobles number So

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Polanco is another guy we got to throw in there.

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They typically are in like the two, three, four

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in the order. And it scares me a little bit that

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he's heating up. We don't need Polanco heating

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up. He's had some good postseason success in

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the past. We need somebody on our side to step

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up. Kerry Carpenter could be the guy. He could

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be the guy. He just seems a little all or nothing

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at times at the plate. But maybe Dylan Dingler

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finds his stride here in the American League.

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Division series. What who do you want to see

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heat up a little bit coming home? I think the

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biggest news that the Tigers have gotten is that

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we do have Colt Keith back And I think that could

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be a difference. It's just another he's made

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a difference so far solid better. Yeah, and I

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He's a non -base percentage guy too. That is

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my pick to click. I think I like that next two

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games. I like that I'm going with Dingler you

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go with Colt And, and I think Carp's a good choice

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as well. And it seems like these last few games,

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Torque has seen the ball quite well. So let's

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hope for that. So all hands on deck. Last shout

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out I wanted to give was Brendan Hannafee has

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been pitching great and he for whatever reason

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gives fits to this Mariners team. So I expect

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to see a healthy dose of him in these. the next

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two upcoming games as well. And on the other

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side of it, the Blue Jays did take both games

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at the Rogers Centers from the Yankees in fairly

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convincing fashion. What an interesting matchup

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that could be, huh? Tigers? Tigers, Blue Jays?

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Oh boy, you don't have to tell me that to get

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excited. I don't want to look ahead, but boy,

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would that be more fun than the Yankees. I can

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tell you that much. That's like a dream come

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true. I would take their pitching staff. I would

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look forward to going up against those guys.

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Four and a half hours separate the two cities.

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It would be a blast. But let's not count our

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chickens. No, no, no, no, no. We got to win two

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games here in a row against Seattle. Litterbox

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