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Look, we get it, Tiger fans. We know the baseball

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season can be a grind. Luckily, when you're ready

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listening to the Litterbox, a Detroit Tigers

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podcast with your hosts, Chet West and Bill Patterson.

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Welcome to the Detroit Tigers Litterbox and it's

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celebration time. Victory chicken on a Thursday

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chat with your champagne. Pop those champagne

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bottles, baby. We're going to the division series,

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Billy. Traveling out west. Saturday and Sunday,

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the Detroit Tigers are going to be playing the

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Seattle Mariners at Safeco Park. And I do think

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the better team won in this series as painful

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as it was at times, Chet. The Tigers won today,

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Thursday the 2nd of October, 6 -3. They lost

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game two of the series, 6 -1. It was actually

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a pretty competitive game until the eighth inning

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and then the Guardians pulled away. And then

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they won Tuesday, game one, 2 -1. And I keep

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hearing if you heard this as well that the team

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that wins game one in these wild card series

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is like grossly favored to keep going forward

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and win the series. Yeah, which I just. I didn't

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know that. I would have thought, I mean, in this

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series, Tigers come out win game one. I felt

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pretty good going into game two. But, you know,

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I would have thought after the Indians took game

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two and in the fashion they did it in, that they

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would have easily just grabbed this game today.

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Admittedly was kind of going into it saying,

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I don't know if we got it to get this thing done

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today. I really didn't know if we did. And to

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be honest, it looked very dicey there for a while.

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I mean, once again, leaving runners in scoring

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position. Not getting them in. That was driving

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me crazy for this whole entire series. And finally,

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it's like the offense. I said it to you guys

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in the text chat. It's like the offense took

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an x lax and everything started flowing again

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inside of one inning. I will say this, though.

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They must have had Cleveland Polish boys delivered

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to the locker room. They must have. to loosen

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things up a little bit. I will say this, our

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pitching throughout this series did a pretty

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good job. The Cleveland Guardians do not have

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the strongest lineup top to bottom. It's been

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talked about quite a bit. They are, their strength

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is their pitching and they have a very, very

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good pitching staff. So maybe this was a case

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of good pitching, beating good hitting for them

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throughout when our hitting wasn't going and

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we finally broke through. I don't know. The way

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I look at this, Now you get the Mariners who,

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they likewise, I mean, things only get harder

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as you go into the postseason, but I'm glad we

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made it back to the division series this year.

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It's, I think the wild card would have felt a

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little bit light as a result for what we had

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done this season. But when you start off the

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way we did, winning the way we did in the first

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half of the season, all of a sudden expectations

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just go sky high. Bill, your thoughts? Yeah,

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I think like I alluded to earlier, the better

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team won. I still can't. It's inexplicable what

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happened the month of September to the Tigers.

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The pitching was good in this series. I'm going

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to tell you right now, my game ball goes to one

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Javier Baez. He was the best hitter the Tigers

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had. Is he back being Javier Baez? He's Javier

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Baez. And then aside from that, you got to give

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a shout out to Scoobble. You got to give a shout

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out to Mize. You got to give a shout out to Flaherty.

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And then you also have to give a shout out to

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Will Vest, Kyle Finnegan, and Tyler Holton that

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was excellent. So the pitching was really good.

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The only guy that really. didn't deliver was

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Brennan Hannafee, but he was the wrong man out

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in some of those matchups. So yeah, the Tigers

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are moving off to play Seattle at Safeco Field.

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And I'm just doing an early look in on this chat.

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Tickets are twice as expensive for these two

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games in Seattle as any other Milwaukee, Toronto,

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Philadelphia. And then the reason being - Well,

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they're excited for their Mariners right now.

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Yeah, I believe this is the first time they've

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made the playoffs in 10 seasons. So I think it's

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part of that. Yeah. Excuse me, scratch what I

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just said. I didn't look at the Philly tickets.

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Those are much more expensive than the Seattle

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tickets. That sounds right. Have you been to

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Safeco Field? I've never been to Safeco. I've

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driven around outside of it. I've never been

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in it. Been to Seattle a couple times. I get

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the feeling that that town is very connected

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to their ball club. They're not what you would

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call a major market team. So there's a lot of

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excitement. On their team, they play, you know,

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in the downtown ballpark. It's huge. Has a retractable

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roof. This time of year, it should be absolutely

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gorgeous. They have possibly the best August

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and September anywhere in the country. I love

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it here in the Midwest. I know you do as well,

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but they have. I've enjoyed all this time I've

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spent out there. 60 to 65 degree days, 55 degree

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nights. They don't have insects this time of

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year. Beautiful sunsets. The water keeps things

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nice and reasonable, but the sun shines. So it's

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gorgeous. Now, fast forward to late November,

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December, January, you're going to be lucky to

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see the sun and deal with a lot of rain. With

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that, let's talk a little bit about just the

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quick snapshot on this. The Tigers played six

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games against the Mariners this year. They played

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them the second series of the year after they

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got swept by the Dodgers in Los Angeles, went

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up and then took two of three, the first two,

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and then lost the third second series of the

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year against the Mariners. Then they faced him

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again the weekend before the All -Star break

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at Comerica and got swept in a very, very uncompetitive

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fashion. That was a, that was like the beginning

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of our sort of gradual descent to hell roll downhill

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towards September where we started. We just didn't

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have as good a second half as we had a first

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half. Our first half was incredible. Do you now

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their, their rotation is pretty darn good. They're

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going to roll a guy by the name of Logan Gilbert

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out there for game one. I would assume it will

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be Logan Gilbert for game one. And he, he and

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Scubal are going to go at it. And I am very excited

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to see how this whole thing shows up. You're

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talking about two of the best pitchers in the

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American league there. And that's again, playoffs.

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We're going to get this. We got Gavin Williams

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with Cleveland and he's, he's yet again, another

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great young pitcher coming up. So you're really

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not. Getting you're not gonna have too many weak

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starting pitchers going forward Especially in

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those games one two and three George Kirby's

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in there Brian Wu is an excellent young pitcher

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He's gonna be and I think he's like their number

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three guy behind Luis Castillo is there too So

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this is going to be a challenge and I'm real

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excited to see Julio Rodriguez play in the postseason

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Of course, you're gonna get Cal Raleigh Of course,

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Eugenio Suarez will be out there, somebody we

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talked about around the trade deadline. What

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are you looking for as far as, what do you think,

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where do you think the Mariners can beat us?

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In just about every facet of the game. Just about

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every facet of the game. I mean, you take Scoopal

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out of the equation, they're starting pitchings

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better. You, regardless of who you want to throw

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out of our bullpen, their bullpen has been better.

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And then their one through nine starting every

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day is much better. And they've made a couple

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key trades. They traded for Josh Naylor, the

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brother of Bo Naylor, who we just saw plenty

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of in all these guardian games. And, you know,

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they do have Eugenio Suarez. I mean, the big

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names are going to be Cal Raleigh and JP Crawford.

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I just, I, the ballpark plays big, Chet. So.

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How the Tigers would, I guess your question is,

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what do the Mariners do? Well, they do everything

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well. There's really nothing they don't do well.

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We know the Tigers, they run the base as well,

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but they're not fast. The Tigers clearly are

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struggling with runners and scoring position

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and they struggle to manufacture runs. The Mariners

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are good at all these things and their roll pen

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is as good as you're going to find probably in

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the American league. How the Tigers win it is

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I think. the bookend of what you wanted to ask

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me. And that is if the Tigers can continue getting

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guys on the bases, it's a huge ballpark and they

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can run and behave a lot like they would the

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Tigers would at Comerica. And they weren't able

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to do that at progressive field because it's

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a little bit of a band box. So I think this plays

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to the Tigers, you know, no call to nature, but

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to their natural habitat. Sure. And so I think

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we're playing in two pitchers parks for this

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whole series. Yes. So theoretically, the offense

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should be down a little bit anyways. Tigers have

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to take one of the weekend games coming home

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with the series tied 1 -1. If it's 2 -0, I don't

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think great things are going to happen. This

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co -host is going to be in the D. So if you want

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to say hi. Location. Maybe you can. message the

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show and maybe I'll set up a meet and greet.

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Catch them early, folks. Catch them early. One

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of the finer establishments in and around Comerica.

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If the Tigers do split, I like their chances

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to wrap this up at home. Yeah. We have to take

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the one in Seattle. We got to get the one in

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Seattle. And then you come home and you finish

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it out. Best of five series. It's, you know...

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Wish they were all seven games to be honest.

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I don't really like I certainly don't like the

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best of three series I don't feel like we get

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a good taste of things there I like how it ended

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up for us here against Cleveland worked out great

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But I'd love them all to be best of seven series

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to be honest if we could get there We're never

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gonna get that though. The postseason would take

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forever. I do wonder how things will go against

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their pitching staff They have a good pitching

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staff. So If our offense keeps going down this

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weak path, I just don't know that our bullpen

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can keep up. I'm glad we got to the division

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series to get past it. It's going to take, it's

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going to take quite a bit of probably luck and

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a little magic and mojo to get through this.

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But you know what? I, they can do it. They just

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got to play their best ball. Absolutely. And

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I do think getting, I don't know if the monkey

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off the back, but whatever on your back. off

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your back. I mean, the Guardians had gotten to

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the point of being the Tigers' Achilles heel

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and still may be in the future. I mean, this

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is not over. You're not going anywhere. Yeah,

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this isn't over by any stretch. And I love that

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it's developing into a great rivalry. I'd rather

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it be the Guardians than I would, no offense

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to your hometown, the Twins or the White Sox,

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my hometown. I do not disagree. Kansas City feels

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too far and remote. So I was shocked to see it

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was last year was the first time the Tigers had

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played the Guardians. in a postseason or the

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Indians for that matter. Well, while you bring

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up Indian guardians, loyal listener Brett L sent

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an awesome photo from Cleveland. We talked about

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how they decided out from Brett. Good. And OK,

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remember how you and I talked last time about

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the the bridge, the namesake, the guardian namesake.

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Yeah. When they decided to convert from Indians,

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which was offensive to some. Yeah. And maybe

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many or whatever. So they switched to Guardians.

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But I have a punchline for you, my friend and

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co -host. Guess what the Guardians are on this

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bridge? This is going to break my heart. American

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Indians. They're 35 foot tall, stone statue that

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looks like something out of Lord of the Rings

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when they're rowing into Gondor. I mean, they're

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massive, Chet. It's an awesome sight. But the

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best part, Chet, is I kid you not, it's an American

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Indian full headdress. Bow and arrow. If we were

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going to Cleveland for a game, though, you did

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say you were going to try and climb up on it.

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No way. No how. I mean, I'll try. I don't want

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to see that. Where's the nearest ER? I don't

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want to see that. Yeah, exactly. Well, I do have

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to thank our listeners. That's great. I mean,

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like giving us photos. He's like, I can't wait

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to see you climb this beast. And I was like,

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why do I need to climb it? Yeah. But it is interesting

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that a guardian is just an Indian in the end

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of the day. At any rate, Rhett, thanks for sending

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the picture over. We appreciate you as a dedicated

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listener and for showing us what a Guardian looks

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like. I guess my Marvel thing goes out the window.

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I guess that's not a thing in this whole scenario,

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which sort of disappoints me. So now we know

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what the Guardian looks like, and hopefully you

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can save that when we... in the offices and get

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our website up and running and do a little more

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social media. That will be one of the photos.

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I do think I would like to live pod if we ever

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go to Cleveland at the base of the statue. I

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mean, I'll climb. I didn't mean I'd climb to

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the top or anything. I'm not Bono. I gotcha.

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The yuppie aid or whatever he did in San Francisco

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where he spray painted half of the Embarcadero.

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I mean, that's. That's not what this pod's about.

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No, we certainly aren't. We stand for more than

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that. If we could get back to baseball. Who is,

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I'm gonna ask you a question. It's a surprise

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question. Who is your pick to click for the Tigers

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in this series coming up? I'm riding the hot

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hand. I'm riding Javier Baez. You're Javier Baez.

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I'm gonna go back to Riley Green. I think he's

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feeling a little bit better. I think Z -Max.

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playing better as well. And I think you're buying

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into this, the pressures off type thing. Yeah,

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I as often the boys are going to let it rip.

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I think Dingler could perform as well who I picks

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not to click. Torres looks like he already got

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news from his agent that the next contract's

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sitting on his desk. He looks like he's not happy

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that the season is still going. Exactly. And

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then another guy that I am rapidly losing faith

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in and you and I kind of got in a text disagreement

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on this is Spencer Torkelson. You're going to

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pick on Torek. Chet, he's not hitting when we

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need him to, which is runners in scoring position.

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I know the whole team isn't, but when you're

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a first baseman and you're the big bop in the

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lineup batting somewhere between third, fourth

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and fifth, most of the season, your job is expected

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to do that. We're not asking you to be nimble

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on the base pass. We're not asking you to be

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a gold glover at first base. We're asking you

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to do one of five tools and that is hit for power.

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And I don't know how much. He's going to do in

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this series. And here's an interesting factoid

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for you. The entire starting staff of the Seattle

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Mariners, all righties. They don't have a lefty

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starter. No, it's not until you get to the bullpen

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and then it balances weirdly. It's very, very

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bizarre. And even their bullpen, I mean, you're

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talking like one or two lefties in their bullpen.

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Kind of like the Tigers. Are they allergic to

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left -handed starters? It's kind of nuts. They

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have Gabe Spear and Caleb Ferguson. who throw

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left -handed is very bizarre. And that's it.

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So we have a lefty, you know, we have a good

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amount of lefties in our lineup. We can roll

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quite a few guys out there. So this could be

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an interesting matchup situation to look at too.

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Too small of a sample size and too small. And

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the Tigers were cooked. They were leading into

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that All -Star break. They were ready to take

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a break. I mean, Zach McKinstry and Javier Baez

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were All -Stars. I mean, Gleybar Torres was an

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All -Star. I mean, they were basking in their

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All -Star votes. It was like a naked hot dog

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out of a steamer box. They were basking in their

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own juices. I'm going to give you my prediction

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after you talk about basking in juices. I'm going

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to say Mariners in five. Hmm, I think it's gonna

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go back to Seattle. Does it go back to see it

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goes back to Seattle? It's two two one, right?

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Yeah, and how it works here Tigers and four Tigers

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and four they're gonna get it done at home So

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that means they got a win one in Seattle and

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then get the two at home I'm saying Mariners

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and five. We'll see what happened. This could

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be interesting. This could be interesting fascinating

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series All right, fans. Thank you, Litterbox

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listeners. Go Tigers. On to the next one. On

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to the Division. On to the Division playoffs.

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We'll do a quick update for you all once we get

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pitching matchups and game times and all that.

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But literally, the Tigers just won 12 minutes

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ago. So we are committed to our craft and giving

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you your instant reaction. Instant reaction show.

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All right. Thanks, folks. Go Tigers. All right.

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That's gonna do it for this episode of the Litterbox,

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a Detroit Tigers podcast. Thanks for hanging

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out with us. We're Bill and Chet. We'll be back

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