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Thank you. Billy P from The D and Chet here.

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You're listening to the Litterbox, a Detroit

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Tigers podcast with your hosts, Chet West and

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Bill Patterson. Litterbox listeners, we are getting

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into the dog days here. The end of the season

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is right around the corner. September baseball

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coming at you. So when you thread these games

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in, in between all the football games, just know

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we'll be here to keep covering. We're gonna do

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a two series coverage today. We're gonna gloss

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over that wonderful Yankee series where the Tigers

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took two out of three. And then we're gonna jump

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into the Marlins series where... They didn't

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take two out of three, they only got one. And

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we kind of predicted, I think if Bill, going

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back, if we said we'd come off these six games

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at 500, we'd probably been pretty happy. Because

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I think you and I were kind of shading to the

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fact that we're going to lose both these series

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and things were going to get dicey down the stretch

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in the standings. Do you have any initial thoughts?

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Before we get into these ball games against the

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Yankees and Marlins, I want to bring up an outing

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that Chet and I had. had an awesome discovery

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at the ballpark. I'll let him speak a little

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bit more on this, but instead of having to go

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the steam box, let's call it where the hot dog

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vendor brings it to you, Chet found something

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even better and it's called the grab and go cooler.

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We know that's where you get ice cold refreshments

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like beer, seltzers. I don't know if you want

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to get a iced tea or something like that. You

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can as well, alcoholic or non -alcoholic. But

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what we didn't know is that they also have a,

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I don't know if we want to call it a heater box,

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a slight oven with hot dogs just marinating in

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their own juices wrapped in foil. I was suspect

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of the quality. So I said to myself, grab two

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of these. So I went in there. It's like one of

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these like kiosks at Wrigley where you can buy,

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you give them your card and you walk up, buy

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what you want. And they somehow charge your card

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for the accurate amount as you just walk on out.

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All right. So I get in there and I see, OK, we're

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going to grab a beer, whatever. And then I look

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over and I see these this beautiful row of foil

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wrapped hot dogs. I see I'm really hungry and

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I need to see if one of these is the same quality

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I'm getting out of the old steamer box over there.

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Somehow, somehow the encased meats artisans at

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Wrigley Field figured out how to get the same

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feel, the same texture, the same flavor from

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these. what I will call like heated shelves,

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where these little dumplings all sat next to

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each other on a shelf. I grabbed two, I took

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them to the to the seat, and lo and behold, they

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tasted exactly like they came out of the steamer

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box that the guys used to walk around the stadium

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with, still walk around the stadium with, I believe,

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if I saw correctly. And I had two of these things

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and it was like, I'm home. I haven't had a hot

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dog like that in so long. So I ran back and I

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got two more immediately. And I had four and

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I started thinking to myself, could I do the

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nine inning deal? And I said, no, Chad, stop

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now. Don't wreck yourself for the rest of the

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day. And I stopped there at four, but I kept

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looking back at that steamer shelf every time

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we walked by it thinking one more, maybe I decided

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against it. I'm not 25 years old anymore. So

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I got my four hot dogs and they were lovely.

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Bill, I'm glad you brought that up. I'm glad

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you brought that up. That was an opportunity

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there. Did you dress them with anything? I put

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nothing, nothing on them. If I had dressed them

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with anything, it would have completely and totally

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ruined the experiment. Okay. You have to go bareback

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on those because I'm telling you, there's a flavor

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in there. There's a natural... It's like they've

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been marinating in their own juices. You don't

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need to put anything on them. I don't want any

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of the cheap stuff they got to put on them. Hot

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dog sweat soaking into the bond dog sweat almost

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soaking into the bun and they do congeal together

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I have a picture I'm holding one and you can

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tell exactly what I'm talking about and I did

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stuff them in the pockets of my shorts for easy

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carry while I was carrying my two beers too,

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so That's I mean That's all I can give you. They're

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as good as the steamer boxes ever were I'm extremely

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impressed. I was very suspicious of that kiosk

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and how the whole thing works The technology

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is over even my head. But the hot dogs are still

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pure people. They're still pure. So basically,

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AI is now taking over the hot dog vendors. AI

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hot dogs. Is that what they are? The AI hot dogs?

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Is that what we're calling them? At any rate,

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they're great. And kudos to Wrigley for figuring

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out how to bottle that essence and put it on

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a shelf served hot dog. Not out of a steamer

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box the friendly confines of hot dogs. There's

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still hope for this world. There's still hope

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I have a fun fact for you. Perfect since The

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old Yankee Stadium opened including the new Yankee

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Stadium, which was in 1921 No team has ever gone

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in and scored 10 or more runs in two straight

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games until your 2025 Detroit Tigers and is incredible

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beat the New York Yankees last Tuesday the 9th

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12 to 2. They followed that performance up on

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September 10th, winning 11 to 1. And then, as

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we predicted, 9 -11 is a very sacred and important

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day to New Yorkers, as it rightfully should be.

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There's something really special and awesome

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about the New York Yankees wearing the Fire Department

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of New York hats. And the Tigers lost the nine

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11 game three to nine. And I just, Yankee stadium

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was full. It was a very symbolic gesture. The

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president of the United States was there and

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I can live with that. Taking the first two out

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of three was unreal because the Yankees have

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a real problem. They aren't the only team in

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the American league that has an awful bullpen.

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and the Tigers capitalized on that and it gives

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me hope should we face the Yankees in the postseason

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that that bullpen isn't all there and there's

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runs for the getting. I think something interesting

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that the trade deadline kind of told us is that

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each one of these teams that are in competition

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right now for the playoff spots all kind of suffer

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from some of the same stuff. We get some sketchy

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starts, and we get some bad bullpen outings,

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and that's typically where the problems lie.

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Runs aren't usually a problem. If you go back

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and look at our games against the Yankees, we

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got two good starts. What did we do with those

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starts? We won those two games, and we piled

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runs on. In the third game, we decided to do

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something a little different and go with a little

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pitcher -by -committee deal there, and it blew

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up in our face. Bill, thoughts? You and I have

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said this numerous times. I bet we're on a half

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dozen. We don't love the chaos theory. Not anymore.

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It's wasting valuable innings that Tyler Holton

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could contribute is your one left -handed, hard

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-throwing arm in the bullpen. Sawyer Gibson Long

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was awful. I mean, he was nothing short of terrible.

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I have long -term concerns about him being a

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viable piece of this team. Not only in 2025,

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but 2026, 2027. He just, here's why chat. He

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lacks any and all control. It's not one thing,

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you know, if it was one pitch that he just, Hey,

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he can't figure out his split finger. He can't

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figure out his slider. Chat. He, he doesn't,

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he, when he doesn't have control, he doesn't

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have control over all four pitches equally. It's

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like an equal opportunity, lack of control, which

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is really, really frustrating for somebody. that's

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had multiple cups of coffee and who the franchise

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and team believes in, and he's starting to become

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one of those players that I almost think a change

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of scenery is probably the only thing that's

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really going to help this, because it seems to

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be getting worse, not better. Yeah. He came on

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late. I mean, he came on late, came into the

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season late after a long injury, and he kind

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of needs just a long stint AAA to figure things

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out, probably. Really in the end what's needed

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the chaos theory was cute last year. It isn't

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cute this year No, no the cuteness is like we

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need to beat beyond it a little bit And it's

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it's no shock to me that we lost that game. We

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have nine runs in the first three innings So

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there you go. There you go and By utilizing Holton

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in that position you lose his high leverage availability

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later on I felt pretty optimistic about the lack

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of bullpen use the previous two games because

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they were so lopsided in the Tigers. Win favor

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that flying from New York down to Miami for the

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weekend series, I thought, hey, we had a rested

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bullpen. Things look good until everything went

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to hell in a handbasket. 9 -11. And so we go

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down Friday the 12th, play the Marlins. And in

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the fourth inning, we get really bad news. Tarek

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Schubel is experiencing tightness in his side

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and his oblique and He's not sharp, Chad. There

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was something wrong from the word go in that

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game. I mean, he's giving up runs. First two

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innings, gave up three runs, gave up another

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one in the fourth there. I think that something

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was going wrong. They say he's fine, right? They

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had an MRI, which is very comprehensive and he

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has a clean bill of health. He is scheduled to

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start the 18th against Cleveland at home. which

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will be this Thursday, so let's hope he's okay.

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He was not right, and it seemed like the Tigers

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lost a little bit of their mojo and psyche when

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he exited, so that was an 8 -2 loss. Saturday's

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game was really frustrating, Chet, and I'm gonna

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explain why. It was an extra innings game. The

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Tigers left so many men in scoring position.

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Uh, I believe they went three for 14 that day.

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So it was just the opportunities were there and

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they just couldn't capitalize on it. And they

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ended up losing an 11 innings, six to four to

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the Marlins. That's the one that got away. And

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that's what frustrates this fan. And I'm sure

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you as well for the fact that. That would have

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been the difference between taking four of these

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six games on a tough East coast swing where you

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had your off day on Monday. You had to fly from

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New York down to Miami, uh, two very different

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teams. You're playing in front of full houses

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at one of the let's call it high church, high

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churches and all of major league baseball. You

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could hear a pin drop at the Marlins game. I

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mean, you didn't have to tune in to know a different

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environment. Yeah. And so. That one was there

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for the taking. They didn't take it. However,

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what impressed me was yesterday, the Tigers rebounded

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one, two to nothing and salvaged, as you mentioned,

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a series split and held court. What's up next

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is a season within a season chat. And that is

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three games at home, the 16th, 17th and 18th

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against the Cleveland Guardians. The good news

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is we've got the three guys I'd want pitching

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on the bump. We don't have any chaos going. We've

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got Mize, then we've got Flaherty, and then we've

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got Scoobs. So it's as good as we could hope

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for. The Guardians are now six and a half back.

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They've been red hot. They are nine and one in

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their last 10. They essentially knocked the Royals

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out of this. So it's a two team race. With that,

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the Tigers are still in 9 .9 % chance to make

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the playoffs. The Guardians are only an 11 %

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chance as of today. I still don't like this check.

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This is what the odds don't take into consideration

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here is the tenor around both of these teams

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and the fact that all the pressure is on Detroit

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and very little of it on Cleveland right now.

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Cleveland really wasn't banking on a playoff

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spot this year. of you know a couple months ago

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and the season got off to such a raucous start

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and Detroit took such a huge lead in the division

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But now here we are six and a half games up We

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got six games against the second -place team

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and we also have to play Atlanta and Boston threaded

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in between there I am this is gonna be a very

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difficult Final Four series of the season for

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us to handle. We need a strong start against

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Cleveland We need to get off to a very strong

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start here in these three home games against

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them. I don't feel great if we go, if we don't

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get at least two. We cannot rely on the scubal

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start. If they lose the first two and we're banking

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on the scubal start to make things right. I am

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very, very apprehensive for what happens next.

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And I will eat a little bit of crow here on July

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the 6th, the Tigers completed a sweep of the

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Cleveland guardians. in Cleveland over the 4th

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of July, the 5th of July and the 6th of July.

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And at that point, I said, stick a fork in them.

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They're done. Not quite. Not quite. They could

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have been if we had won more games down the stretch.

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But we've we've brought them back into the fold.

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We brought them back to life here. We've given

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them the accurate way of. Yeah, we gave them

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a reason to live. So anyhow, that's the funny

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part. Sellers at the trade deadline and. Interesting.

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A couple of players were suspended for gambling

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allegations from their bullpen. And the guardians

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have been red hot. It's one of these. And they

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still keep going. Yeah, addition by subtraction.

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And my guy, Stephen Kwan, is going to probably

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just be a pest the entire series. And I'm really

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looking forward to it. I mean, this is why we

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tune in. This is why we love sports. And I just

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hope that the Tigers emerge victorious on this

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and don't. you know, give away the division to

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the Guardians yet again. Well, I'm not ready

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to sign it all off. One thing that we can take

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out of this, one thing that, one positive that

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will come from this, regardless, if we make the

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playoffs at the end of this stretch of 12 games

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coming up here, if we make the playoffs, we are

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going to be battle tested for the playoffs. We

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will have gone through a very tense stretch here.

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This will have us ready mentally. If we were

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coming close and in 15 games up and playing the

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way we are and we hit the playoffs, I don't know.

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I can see us early exit. But if we can keep our

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lead and we can get ourselves in the playoffs

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still with the 12 games we got left, I think

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we'll be battle tested enough to be awake and

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ready to play playoff baseball. That's about

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the only silver lining I can pull from this because

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we got to get it together here. The bullpen,

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the starting pitching, we got to get it together

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and hope to God, I don't see any more chaos out

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there. Agreed. So, Tigers fans, we will be back

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with you after this Guardian series and let's

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hope for the best. You know, if you're listening

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to this pod, a thank you. B, we know you're a

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dedicated Tigers fan. Just enjoy these next three

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games. It's going to be a lot of fun. We know

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football started. We know there's other things

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going on, but I'm really, really looking forward

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to these next three games at home against the

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Guardians. Season comes down to right now, and

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I hope you all enjoy it as well. With that, go

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Tigers. All right, that's gonna do it for this

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episode of the Litterbox, a Detroit Tigers podcast.

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Thanks for hanging out with us. We're Bill and

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Chet. We'll be back soon with more Tigers Talk.

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