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You're listening to the litter 00:01:21.750 --> 00:01:25.790 box a Detroit Tigers podcast with your hosts 00:01:25.790 --> 00:01:33.189 Chet West and Bill Patterson Tiger fans welcome 00:01:33.189 --> 00:01:35.750 to the litter box with your host Billy P and 00:01:35.750 --> 00:01:38.310 chat for those of you that watched the Tigers 00:01:38.310 --> 00:01:41.189 Lose two out of three to the Chicago White Sox 00:01:41.189 --> 00:01:44.450 at home this past weekend I'm sure you're losing 00:01:44.450 --> 00:01:47.049 your appetite for Tigers baseball. That's why 00:01:47.049 --> 00:01:50.120 we at the litter box are gonna open today With 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:53.079 one of our favorite foods, and that is pizza. 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:56.180 And the question I have for you, Chet West, is 00:01:56.180 --> 00:02:00.680 pizza a good ballpark food? We know it's a great 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:03.500 food. Yes, it's never a bad food anywhere. Okay, 00:02:03.659 --> 00:02:07.319 even at a ballpark? Because I feel like because 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:11.580 it's not necessarily handheld. Unless it's like 00:02:11.580 --> 00:02:14.860 a floppy New York slice served on a, well, not 00:02:14.860 --> 00:02:17.120 one, you need to serve it on like five paper 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.919 plates so the grease can soak up. And I feel 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.080 like it's a food that you can't really eat in 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.919 your seat without, you know, like a metal railing 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:29.580 or a tray or something in front of you. I feel 00:02:29.580 --> 00:02:32.419 like it's too much. But I'm going to tell you 00:02:32.419 --> 00:02:34.340 why this works for me at a ballpark and you're 00:02:34.340 --> 00:02:36.259 going to die when you hear this because I don't 00:02:36.259 --> 00:02:39.780 think you know this about me. I love. cheap garbage 00:02:39.780 --> 00:02:42.919 pizza, pizza that other people look at and say, 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:45.300 oh, this was done in a microwave or, oh, this 00:02:45.300 --> 00:02:48.599 is terrible. I love it. I don't know why. I think 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.840 I grew up on it. I think there was something 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.199 from my childhood where I would make these pizzas 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:56.259 in the microwave or in the toaster oven like 00:02:56.259 --> 00:02:59.460 type, and I was fine with it. Like home run in, 00:02:59.699 --> 00:03:01.819 give me more of that. I mean, the stuff that 00:03:01.819 --> 00:03:03.120 people look at and they're like, oh, it's like 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:06.340 cardboard. I throw that in the oven, cook it 00:03:06.340 --> 00:03:09.719 up for dinner at night and it It is. It's like 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:13.020 cardboard, but I love it because it's the crust 00:03:13.020 --> 00:03:15.580 being like cardboard makes it so much easier 00:03:15.580 --> 00:03:18.000 to eat because I just pick it up, jam it in the 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.139 old pie hole. When I'm sitting in my seat at 00:03:20.139 --> 00:03:23.460 the ballpark, I barely need a plate. I mean, 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:25.520 sometimes I have the plate there just to be sort 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.219 of civilized. But as long as that thing is as 00:03:28.219 --> 00:03:33.099 rigid as a as as plywood, of course, I'm good. 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:36.659 So I like the ballpark pizza because it usually 00:03:36.659 --> 00:03:40.939 is fairly on a On a pizza lover scale, it's garbage 00:03:40.939 --> 00:03:44.240 pizza. Nobody likes ballpark pizza. Okay. But 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.599 I love it because it's easy to eat and I still 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:49.759 love that taste and the texture of the firm crust. 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:54.379 So part of this could be a little PTSD from the 00:03:54.379 --> 00:03:58.319 fact that Wrigley Field used to have DiAgostino's, 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:00.099 which is, I'm not going to say the best pizza 00:04:00.099 --> 00:04:04.379 in Chicago. It's the best slice in Chicago served 00:04:04.379 --> 00:04:08.080 on four paper plates or five paper plates. And 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:11.900 it was perfect ballpark pizza. The problem is 00:04:11.900 --> 00:04:14.819 they didn't re -up or they didn't give the Cubs 00:04:14.819 --> 00:04:17.120 enough money and the Cubs have they've served 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.980 Connie's home run in. Home run in. I remember 00:04:20.980 --> 00:04:24.139 it well. They both have very lackluster sausage. 00:04:24.969 --> 00:04:28.170 The pepperoni is not real beef or plentiful. 00:04:28.209 --> 00:04:31.129 It's not like the real pepperoni that you want. 00:04:31.170 --> 00:04:34.410 I love all that trash I love all that trash and 00:04:34.410 --> 00:04:37.490 I don't know why I love that. So I will say this 00:04:37.490 --> 00:04:42.290 small caveat Don't do deep dish trash Deep dish 00:04:42.290 --> 00:04:45.250 trash is a different ballgame. I don't want it's 00:04:45.250 --> 00:04:49.560 just way too much really bad crust And it gets 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.319 kind of gross. It's just solid and overbaked. 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:55.860 It's just bad stuff. So deep dish bad pizza is 00:04:55.860 --> 00:04:59.339 bad pizza Thin crust bad pizza is actually good 00:04:59.339 --> 00:05:02.319 pizza. Got it. Go figure that so you'll throw 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.500 like the I think it's like Hungry Jacks or Tombstone 00:05:05.500 --> 00:05:09.980 and yes, just house that tombstone is gold Stone 00:05:09.980 --> 00:05:12.600 is gold. No, I'm not trying to impress anybody 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:16.069 with that But if daddy wants a quick snack, a 00:05:16.069 --> 00:05:18.490 tombstone pizza in the freezer isn't the worst 00:05:18.490 --> 00:05:21.449 thing in the world I can think of at all. It's 00:05:21.449 --> 00:05:24.209 actually, I get kind of excited for it. I usually 00:05:24.209 --> 00:05:26.569 sather it in a bunch of ranch or barbecue sauce 00:05:26.569 --> 00:05:27.949 or something like that to kind of soften it up. 00:05:27.949 --> 00:05:31.149 I was going to ask about your, yeah. Now, how 00:05:31.149 --> 00:05:34.389 do you feel? I'm a big red pepper flake and Parmesan 00:05:34.389 --> 00:05:37.170 pack guy. Don't care for it. Don't need it. OK. 00:05:37.470 --> 00:05:39.269 Got it. Don't need it. Never. I just always wondered 00:05:39.269 --> 00:05:41.209 why it was on the table, to be honest with you. 00:05:42.459 --> 00:05:44.180 Interesting. Alright. Just never been on it. 00:05:44.579 --> 00:05:47.220 So a little bit of differing opinions there. 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:49.360 Let's talk about it. What do you do? Do you like 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.199 the ballpark pizza? Where are you at on this 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:53.399 stuff? Like the Connie's? Would you grab a Connie's 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:56.100 slice on a bench? No, but last time I went to 00:05:56.100 --> 00:05:58.939 Tiger's White Sox with some neighbors, I don't 00:05:58.939 --> 00:06:01.060 know, a month ago or so. I don't know, sometime 00:06:01.060 --> 00:06:04.399 in, I believe, August. And we all got Beggar's 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:07.540 Pizza. And their tagline is they lay it on thick. 00:06:08.009 --> 00:06:11.889 Sure, it was served on the requisite paper plates 00:06:11.889 --> 00:06:15.230 other there were only two so it soaked right 00:06:15.230 --> 00:06:19.970 through and Given my injury status with my foot. 00:06:19.970 --> 00:06:23.769 It wasn't super easy to find a railing What I 00:06:23.769 --> 00:06:25.730 like to do and I'm trying to give a visual here 00:06:25.730 --> 00:06:29.089 is to get two elbows down on a metal railing 00:06:29.089 --> 00:06:31.269 And I don't care how dirty it is I just want 00:06:31.269 --> 00:06:35.310 a support mechanism so that I can eat over that 00:06:35.310 --> 00:06:38.649 filthy piece of stainless steel and make sure 00:06:38.649 --> 00:06:41.389 that it's not getting all over my tiger skier. 00:06:41.670 --> 00:06:44.310 Yeah, and that's I do love it. I'm a huge red 00:06:44.310 --> 00:06:47.589 pepper flake. I'm a huge parm guy. Caveat number 00:06:47.589 --> 00:06:50.990 two goes along with that paper plate issue, though. 00:06:50.990 --> 00:06:54.529 Sure. Never set that plate on your thigh or something. 00:06:54.529 --> 00:06:56.629 Well, that's with the slices that it's going 00:06:56.629 --> 00:06:58.230 to bleed through. You're going to end up with 00:06:58.230 --> 00:07:03.129 a nice little little little patty of pizza grease 00:07:03.129 --> 00:07:06.199 on your thigh there. It's it's no bueno. And 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:08.560 if it's fresh out of the oven, you can also burn 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.560 your thigh. I've never had that issue so much. 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:14.000 I think my leg hair is like a protectant layer. 00:07:14.259 --> 00:07:16.759 Ah, you've got resilient leg hair. I have resilient 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:19.660 leg hair, but I think that, I think that, you 00:07:19.660 --> 00:07:21.980 know, I've definitely stained a pair of shorts 00:07:21.980 --> 00:07:24.019 with some pizza grease before by just setting 00:07:24.019 --> 00:07:27.160 that plate on the leg and it bleeds right through. 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:29.500 Stained on the front, stained on the back. Just 00:07:29.500 --> 00:07:31.480 another day at the ballpark. Just another day 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.300 at the ballpark. I mean, it's, I got stains all 00:07:34.300 --> 00:07:36.189 over by the time I come to the ballpark. All 00:07:36.189 --> 00:07:38.189 right, moving on to the Tigers. So I think we 00:07:38.189 --> 00:07:40.089 both agree it's delicious food. It just needs 00:07:40.089 --> 00:07:43.250 to be consumed properly to avoid accidents. I'm 00:07:43.250 --> 00:07:45.410 glad we're on agreement on that. Yeah, I looked 00:07:45.410 --> 00:07:47.870 at the series and thought the Tigers, this is 00:07:47.870 --> 00:07:50.670 about the easiest or worst team they would play 00:07:50.670 --> 00:07:53.230 for the rest of the season. It was at home and 00:07:53.230 --> 00:07:56.050 I had really high hopes. Chet, I was not feeling 00:07:56.050 --> 00:08:00.110 it at all. The White Sox have become very pesky. 00:08:00.819 --> 00:08:03.060 as the season has rolled on. But they're not 00:08:03.060 --> 00:08:05.620 this pesky. They're not pesky to where we should 00:08:05.620 --> 00:08:07.480 be losing two games. They have a better winning 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:09.500 percentage than the Tigers do since the All -Star 00:08:09.500 --> 00:08:12.639 break, which is dumbfounding. If they weren't 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:14.680 coming in out of such a hole, they could have 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:16.860 been this year's Tigers and been resurgent at 00:08:16.860 --> 00:08:18.160 the end of the season, but they were in such 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:21.439 a hole going in. So the Tigers lost game one, 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.000 seven to five. They allowed 11 hits. They committed 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.819 an error. They did score five runs, so the offense 00:08:26.819 --> 00:08:29.339 wasn't necessarily the problem. But boy, Chet, 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:31.980 let's just go down this box score. Jack Flaherty 00:08:31.980 --> 00:08:35.759 made it four and a third. He had four earned 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.470 runs, six hits. Locked 2, only struck out 2, 00:08:39.629 --> 00:08:43.669 and his ERA is at 4 .85. It has been a solid 00:08:43.669 --> 00:08:48.070 5 -plus ERA post -all -star break. Bailey Horn 00:08:48.070 --> 00:08:50.990 took the loss, an inning pitched, one hit, one 00:08:50.990 --> 00:08:54.470 run, one earned run, one K, allowed a dinger. 00:08:55.019 --> 00:08:58.100 And then Kenton Montero did have a sighting. 00:08:58.460 --> 00:09:02.500 Kyder? Kyder Montero. Also known as Kenton Montero. 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.720 Is this a new name? Are you coming up with new 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.519 names now? No, did I con - Is that the Javi Baez? 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.679 The Javier Baez of the - No, I - These gun bads, 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:13.679 we're calling them Kenton - I think what I did 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.799 is combined Montero and Maeda. Isn't that awesome? 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:20.740 Beautiful. That's beautiful. Yeah. Just think 00:09:20.740 --> 00:09:23.169 about the picture that guy would be. Go through 00:09:23.169 --> 00:09:25.409 the pitching stats Bill there. It's a broken 00:09:25.409 --> 00:09:28.690 record at this point every game for the last 00:09:28.690 --> 00:09:31.370 I feel like the last couple weeks We had that 00:09:31.370 --> 00:09:33.330 nice little winning stretch there for a while 00:09:33.330 --> 00:09:35.269 where our starters actually looked like maybe 00:09:35.269 --> 00:09:37.090 they'd get us through some games in the playoffs 00:09:37.090 --> 00:09:40.230 Every game has looked like this that's Google 00:09:40.230 --> 00:09:43.009 isn't pitching in or maybe the one little Mize 00:09:43.009 --> 00:09:46.610 resurgence But Flaherty back to bad Flaherty 00:09:46.610 --> 00:09:51.750 horn giving up runs Kenta Montero Kiter, welcome 00:09:51.750 --> 00:09:54.110 back to the majors. Thanks for giving up two 00:09:54.110 --> 00:09:56.490 more runs and losing the game for us, basically. 00:09:56.950 --> 00:09:59.590 I mean, it's seven, five game. We get the runs 00:09:59.590 --> 00:10:03.029 across our offenses doing their job and our pitching 00:10:03.029 --> 00:10:07.570 is falling apart down the stretch. With the exception 00:10:07.570 --> 00:10:11.730 of game two, six, nothing win because Tarek Scoobal 00:10:11.730 --> 00:10:17.080 took the mound and then. The Tigers scored six 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:20.539 runs on six hits. They allowed three hits. One 00:10:20.539 --> 00:10:24.419 error was committed by the White Sox. And Scubal 00:10:24.419 --> 00:10:27.440 goes to 13 and four. His ERA is stellar at 2 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:29.580 .10. That's great. He's Cy Young right now. If 00:10:29.580 --> 00:10:31.899 you looked at it, it didn't even look like he 00:10:31.899 --> 00:10:34.139 was leaving it all out there. He looked like 00:10:34.139 --> 00:10:38.299 he was 70, 75 % there, which is just, he is so 00:10:38.299 --> 00:10:40.620 master class and so wonderful. Well, only 90 00:10:40.620 --> 00:10:42.620 pitches, too. I think Hinch is doing something 00:10:42.620 --> 00:10:44.830 smart here by saving a little. in his tank for 00:10:44.830 --> 00:10:48.350 the end of the season. Yeah. Tommy Canley pitched 00:10:48.350 --> 00:10:51.090 a clean inning. Good for you, Tommy Canley. By 00:10:51.090 --> 00:10:53.269 the way, do you want to know what his pitch mix 00:10:53.269 --> 00:10:57.830 was, Bill? 100 % change -ups. He didn't throw 00:10:57.830 --> 00:11:01.350 one fastball. He threw 10 pitches and they were 00:11:01.350 --> 00:11:03.529 all change -ups. I was going to say if Tommy 00:11:03.529 --> 00:11:05.649 Canley made a salad at his house for you, it 00:11:05.649 --> 00:11:08.590 would just be lettuce. Just lettuce. Just lettuce. 00:11:09.419 --> 00:11:12.379 Rafael Montero, the other Montero, came in and 00:11:12.379 --> 00:11:14.539 gave up a hit but closed it out. 13 pitches, 00:11:14.620 --> 00:11:17.120 got it all done. He had a nice six run lead. 00:11:17.500 --> 00:11:19.860 Go figure. Only three hits total in the game 00:11:19.860 --> 00:11:22.779 for the Sox. Scubal makes the Sox look like the 00:11:22.779 --> 00:11:25.200 Sox that we know and love for this season. Yeah, 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.259 a couple of plugs that I want to give hitting 00:11:28.259 --> 00:11:32.220 wise. Yeah. Wenzel Perez had a great series over 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:34.980 the weekend and so did Jemai Jones, who I've 00:11:34.980 --> 00:11:37.460 always considered Nothing more than a career 00:11:37.460 --> 00:11:40.720 minor leaguer, but I I am wrong about that this 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:43.519 season his OPS I told you in spring training 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:45.700 He looked good and I couldn't figure out why 00:11:45.700 --> 00:11:47.879 we didn't bring off to start the season And and 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:49.419 for those of you that aren't watching because 00:11:49.419 --> 00:11:51.860 we don't broadcast this on YouTube chat is pointing 00:11:51.860 --> 00:11:55.139 his finger I am pointing and wagging. Yeah, he 00:11:55.139 --> 00:11:58.879 is giving me a big old finger wagging 929 OPS 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.440 Jemima Jones is sporting right now when seal 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.990 800 OPS. Those are your guys Yes, cause for concern 00:12:05.990 --> 00:12:09.509 batting. Torkelson's been on a really cold streak 00:12:09.509 --> 00:12:12.870 and his OPS is now dipping below 800, which is 00:12:12.870 --> 00:12:16.309 concerning. But run scoring wasn't the problem 00:12:16.309 --> 00:12:19.690 this weekend. It was, again, broken record. Bad 00:12:19.690 --> 00:12:23.230 pitching. Sunday's game, 6 -4 loss for the Tigers. 00:12:24.389 --> 00:12:28.570 I am getting so frustrated with this. Tigers 00:12:28.570 --> 00:12:31.590 gave up two in the first, retaliated by scoring 00:12:31.590 --> 00:12:34.149 three in the bottom of the first. It was tied 00:12:34.149 --> 00:12:37.629 up in the third, went ahead in the fourth, and 00:12:37.629 --> 00:12:40.889 then bats went cold. Well, Charlie Morton. I 00:12:40.889 --> 00:12:42.809 mean, three innings, four hits, three runs. I 00:12:42.809 --> 00:12:44.169 think we got everything we're going to get out 00:12:44.169 --> 00:12:48.049 of Chuck. And Paddock. And so my rant right now 00:12:48.049 --> 00:12:51.429 is this. This front office for our Detroit Tigers 00:12:51.429 --> 00:12:54.889 said this team was good enough that they thought 00:12:54.889 --> 00:12:59.360 they had magic still or upside. you know, in 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:01.779 the players that we saw the first 60 games of 00:13:01.779 --> 00:13:04.600 this season or, you know, first 60 days, 60 games. 00:13:05.100 --> 00:13:08.059 And I agree, the ceiling is still high for this 00:13:08.059 --> 00:13:12.279 team. You have 11 guys that are above major league 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:14.700 average hitters. You have the best pitcher in 00:13:14.700 --> 00:13:18.620 baseball and win healthy, will vest, and Kyle 00:13:18.620 --> 00:13:21.059 Finnegan can be a lethal one -two punch in the 00:13:21.059 --> 00:13:23.919 pen. Outside of that, that's the ceiling, Chet. 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:26.299 The floor is, you don't have another starting 00:13:26.299 --> 00:13:29.960 pitcher until somebody steps up. And shame on 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.200 you, Scott Harris. Shame on you, Chris Illich, 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:34.440 for not being more aggressive at the trade deadline. 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:36.320 Need to be a little more aggressive. Because 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:40.379 this, if the Tigers don't get one of the two 00:13:40.379 --> 00:13:43.389 American League buys, This season is going to 00:13:43.389 --> 00:13:46.710 end very quickly up against either the Yankees, 00:13:46.710 --> 00:13:49.190 the Red Sox, the Blue Jays, the Mariners, the 00:13:49.190 --> 00:13:51.870 Astros. It doesn't matter who they play. I would 00:13:51.870 --> 00:13:54.509 favor any team in a three game series against 00:13:54.509 --> 00:13:56.950 the Tigers right now, even if the series is at 00:13:56.950 --> 00:13:59.549 Co -America. So just to just to call a few things 00:13:59.549 --> 00:14:01.889 out here to Chuckie Morton wasn't the only one 00:14:01.889 --> 00:14:04.129 who threw this game away. Holton had a nice appearance. 00:14:04.710 --> 00:14:07.389 Melton had four walks. I don't know how Melton 00:14:07.389 --> 00:14:09.990 had four walk. He had four walks, one K four 00:14:09.990 --> 00:14:12.320 walks. He went two innings. He'd give us two 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:14.559 innings, still waiting to see him as a starter 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:17.690 at some point, but that's a little shaky. Tommy 00:14:17.690 --> 00:14:19.769 Canley blew up again. Two -thirds of an inning 00:14:19.769 --> 00:14:23.250 gave up two runs, three hits, and a walk. So 00:14:23.250 --> 00:14:24.929 he's back to being bad Tommy. You know what? 00:14:24.950 --> 00:14:27.210 He didn't throw all change -ups this time. So 00:14:27.210 --> 00:14:29.169 maybe it was because he mixed a few fastballs 00:14:29.169 --> 00:14:32.330 in there. Maybe that was the weakness. He added 00:14:32.330 --> 00:14:35.210 tomatoes to the salad. Yeah. Will Vest went an 00:14:35.210 --> 00:14:38.990 inning, two hits, had a K. He was fine. Rafael 00:14:38.990 --> 00:14:42.309 Montero. Rafael Montero went an inning, gave 00:14:42.309 --> 00:14:45.169 up a walk, had a K. I mean, you know, too many 00:14:45.169 --> 00:14:47.820 runs up front. Too many runs in the middle there 00:14:47.820 --> 00:14:50.480 from Melton and Canley. Canley really was probably 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:53.220 the one who threw this thing away. It just doesn't, 00:14:53.220 --> 00:14:55.179 uh... Yeah, but they were already in a hole, 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:57.440 because of... They were, well, they were up... 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:01.620 Uncle Charlie did. They were up 4 -3, going into 00:15:01.620 --> 00:15:05.100 the seventh. Okay? And, you know, it's... So 00:15:05.100 --> 00:15:08.379 Melton probably provided a lot of the damage 00:15:08.379 --> 00:15:11.919 with all his walks there. Oh, yeah. But Canley, 00:15:12.059 --> 00:15:14.440 I mean, Canley still didn't shut the door in 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:17.799 the eighth. It was tied 4 -4. Canley gives up 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:21.259 two. I don't know. Maybe it's a, maybe it is 00:15:21.259 --> 00:15:23.980 what it is. I mean, you can't expect good outings 00:15:23.980 --> 00:15:27.860 from Canley every time. No, and this again comes 00:15:27.860 --> 00:15:32.259 back to, I'm mixed on, was the front office? 00:15:32.580 --> 00:15:35.799 Did they miss evaluate or were they overconfident? 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:38.440 I think they were overconfident. I think a lot 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:40.820 of these guys had a really good first half and 00:15:40.820 --> 00:15:43.690 they did everything on a first half. You know, 00:15:43.690 --> 00:15:46.110 we all sat there and looked and said, all these 00:15:46.110 --> 00:15:48.950 guys are just treeing off their butts right now. 00:15:48.990 --> 00:15:51.230 They're just, this is as good as it gets. They're, 00:15:51.269 --> 00:15:53.629 you know, we're seeing like career bests for 00:15:53.629 --> 00:15:55.649 some of these guys. You're going, there is going 00:15:55.649 --> 00:15:59.230 to be some regression to the norm here. And it 00:15:59.230 --> 00:16:01.230 was like, they just said, no, we'll never regress 00:16:01.230 --> 00:16:02.690 to the norm. We're not going to have to go out 00:16:02.690 --> 00:16:05.470 and get, you know, do anything major. We saw 00:16:05.470 --> 00:16:08.009 this coming. I mean, this was, we saw this coming 00:16:08.009 --> 00:16:10.330 from a mile away and nobody wanted to admit it. 00:16:10.970 --> 00:16:15.730 We did. And so now. the Tigers go to one of the 00:16:15.730 --> 00:16:19.669 hallowed grounds of New York baseball the Bronx 00:16:19.669 --> 00:16:22.730 South Bronx to play the Yankees and we've got 00:16:22.730 --> 00:16:25.490 Casey Mize up tomorrow against Will Warren which 00:16:25.490 --> 00:16:28.309 I would say right now is the Tigers best chance 00:16:28.309 --> 00:16:31.370 in a game in the series because game two is gonna 00:16:31.370 --> 00:16:35.549 be absolutely brutal you've got bad Jack Flaherty 00:16:35.549 --> 00:16:39.340 going up against Carlos Rondon I don't see Any 00:16:39.340 --> 00:16:41.580 way the Tigers pulled that game out unless Jack 00:16:41.580 --> 00:16:43.820 Flaherty throws a no -hitter or something, a 00:16:43.820 --> 00:16:47.919 one -hitter. I just, yeah. And then what's even 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.360 going to be uglier is it's to be determined who 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:53.360 the starter is on Thursday, September 11th. And 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:55.600 I know the Yankees are planning a really grand 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:59.759 celebration to honor those that lost their lives 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.419 in the terrorist attacks on 9 -11. I'm a fan 00:17:02.419 --> 00:17:04.960 of baseball, I'm a fan of the Tigers, but if 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:07.730 New Yorkers... They deserve a win that day. If 00:17:07.730 --> 00:17:10.349 we get one game in this series, I'll be elated. 00:17:10.450 --> 00:17:12.450 I think it could be a sweep, and I think it could 00:17:12.450 --> 00:17:14.809 put us in, and I know you're going to love to 00:17:14.809 --> 00:17:16.490 hear this because I did debate this with you 00:17:16.490 --> 00:17:18.930 a little bit this morning over a quick text exchange, 00:17:18.990 --> 00:17:21.210 but I think it could put us in jeopardy here 00:17:21.210 --> 00:17:26.069 a little bit. If KC catches fire, if, it's a 00:17:26.069 --> 00:17:29.769 big if, we could be in trouble. We could be looking 00:17:29.769 --> 00:17:33.250 at a wild card situation if we don't start collecting 00:17:33.250 --> 00:17:36.069 ourselves pretty soon. So you're starting to 00:17:36.069 --> 00:17:37.809 we're eight and a half. I mean we got an eight 00:17:37.809 --> 00:17:40.529 and a half lead on them on the Royals That is 00:17:40.529 --> 00:17:44.609 yeah on the Royals I'm still not there yet a 00:17:44.609 --> 00:17:47.630 week from now if the Tigers go let's say one 00:17:47.630 --> 00:17:50.490 and five against the Yankees and Marlins who 00:17:50.490 --> 00:17:52.829 have been playing much better baseball on this 00:17:52.829 --> 00:17:55.150 road trip I'll a hundred percent be there. I'm 00:17:55.150 --> 00:17:58.769 just not there yet, but both the Royals and the 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:01.720 guardians are playing well. So Bill, on all fronts, 00:18:02.140 --> 00:18:04.140 this looks a little difficult pitching wise. 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:06.400 We're going to get lucky to get one game out 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.880 of this series coming up. What do you need to 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:10.539 see in our after season here? What do you need 00:18:10.539 --> 00:18:12.440 to see in these final couple of weeks? We only 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.599 got about two and a half weeks left here. Yeah. 00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:18.319 That's a great question, Chet. And what I would 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:21.799 like to see that would put me at ease is the 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.819 Tigers inch towards the finish line here is another 00:18:24.819 --> 00:18:29.240 pitcher to step up and be a pitcher. that can 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:33.420 get to six innings with one run or fewer, two 00:18:33.420 --> 00:18:36.099 runs or fewer, and put the Tigers in position 00:18:36.099 --> 00:18:38.500 to win. And what I mean by that as a starting 00:18:38.500 --> 00:18:41.380 pitcher, somebody stepped up in the bullpen outside 00:18:41.380 --> 00:18:44.599 of these three individuals. Finnegan, Vest, and 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.180 sometimes Holton. That would be wonderful as 00:18:47.180 --> 00:18:50.920 well. The bats don't concern me. When clicking, 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.299 this is an above major league. baseball average 00:18:55.299 --> 00:18:58.480 lineup for OPS. They run the bases well, they 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:01.819 do the little things well. My concern is we have 00:19:01.819 --> 00:19:04.519 to have at least one more starting pitcher going 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:08.680 into these short series that can not allow four 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:11.339 runs in the first two innings and put us in a 00:19:11.339 --> 00:19:15.559 deficit. That is my, that's my ask. What else 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:17.779 am I missing? It doesn't seem like a big ask. 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.440 You're asking the equivalent of a Connie's pizza 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.599 probably. or a home run in pizza is all you're 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:28.819 asking for from these pictures. So we're not 00:19:28.819 --> 00:19:31.720 asking for Cy Young's here. We've got one. We're 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:34.500 just not asking for beggars where they lay it. 00:19:34.619 --> 00:19:38.380 I'm for a kill of the road toaster oven pizza 00:19:38.380 --> 00:19:41.240 that tastes like cardboard. We can't even get 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:45.299 that tombstone on that note tombstone. Cut us 00:19:45.299 --> 00:19:48.480 the check. Connie's in home run. We just publicize 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:51.200 all your product. We're going to wrap this up, 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:55.019 Bill. Best of luck to these tides down the stretch. 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.059 All right. That's going to do it for this episode 00:20:03.059 --> 00:20:06.099 of the Litterbox, a Detroit Tigers podcast. Thanks 00:20:06.099 --> 00:20:08.339 for hanging out with us. We're Bill and Chet. 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.220 We'll be back soon with more Tigers Talk. 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