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We really appreciate you guys listening 00:01:38.150 --> 00:01:41.750 along with us We're approaching episode 50 here 00:01:41.750 --> 00:01:44.469 somewhere in the next week or two probably right 00:01:44.469 --> 00:01:47.230 before the season ends So stick with us. We got 00:01:47.230 --> 00:01:50.469 some fun stuff coming up bill for today's topic 00:01:50.469 --> 00:01:55.390 To kick things off Tigers played the Mets they 00:01:55.390 --> 00:01:58.750 Lost two out of three Mets are a surging team 00:01:58.750 --> 00:02:01.599 right now a playoff team But I want to cross 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.299 a bridge that one of our listeners approached 00:02:04.299 --> 00:02:06.620 me with in our comment section over the past 00:02:06.620 --> 00:02:10.520 couple weeks. He asked me what my favorite nacho 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:14.879 topping was. And this is a tough one for me. 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:18.139 It's typically, I mean, the topping for me that 00:02:18.139 --> 00:02:21.020 makes the most difference on a nacho is the cheese 00:02:21.020 --> 00:02:25.460 and how you do the cheese. So I sat there and 00:02:25.460 --> 00:02:29.009 I started thinking through kind of all the different 00:02:29.009 --> 00:02:31.930 nachos I've had in my life, and I've had many, 00:02:31.949 --> 00:02:34.310 many acquaintances with the dish. One that I 00:02:34.310 --> 00:02:36.610 kept going back to in my head and kept referring 00:02:36.610 --> 00:02:39.930 back to in regard to the cheese was the 7 -Eleven 00:02:39.930 --> 00:02:42.370 Nacho. Bill, what do you think of when you think 00:02:42.370 --> 00:02:45.629 of the 7 -Eleven Nacho, or the Sevi Nacho, as 00:02:45.629 --> 00:02:48.050 we called it? I don't think of 7 -Eleven as a 00:02:48.050 --> 00:02:51.889 place to eat ever. Did you not go to college? 00:02:52.729 --> 00:02:55.550 And did you not have a 7 -Eleven nearby? Yes, 00:02:55.550 --> 00:02:58.539 I did go to college, and yes, we had a multiple 00:02:58.539 --> 00:03:02.080 7 -elevens but no loyal listener Reeve knows 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:05.020 this he turned me on to the ultimate hangover 00:03:05.020 --> 00:03:08.479 helper at 7 -eleven which is getting a big gulp 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:12.240 with every flavor of Gatorade they have on tap 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.719 mixed together extra ice is this a midday delight 00:03:17.020 --> 00:03:19.560 No, this is the morning after. This is a morning 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:22.759 after. Yeah. Yeah. So the semi -nacho was the 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.060 end of the evening for me. Yeah. Okay. You're 00:03:25.060 --> 00:03:27.180 right. Listener Brett brings this question, by 00:03:27.180 --> 00:03:28.800 the way. We should call that out. Brett, thanks 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:30.939 for the question. It's a great question, but 00:03:30.939 --> 00:03:33.360 hold on. I have questions within the question. 00:03:33.500 --> 00:03:35.500 So we got to go ahead and sidetracked on this. 00:03:35.500 --> 00:03:37.360 Yeah. Just because I haven't had a 7 -Eleven 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:41.479 nacho should not derail. Okay. I have two questions 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:44.219 on this. One, are we talking only ballpark nachos? 00:03:44.219 --> 00:03:46.379 And then number two, Well, this is where this 00:03:46.379 --> 00:03:49.699 goes. So stick with us here. OK, well, so as 00:03:49.699 --> 00:03:53.740 far as toppings go, the nacho is the sum of its 00:03:53.740 --> 00:03:57.400 parts. There is no greater food than all of it 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:01.280 coming together at one. I am a more - Are you 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:03.199 a believer that one topping can mess up the whole 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:06.300 dish? A believer that one topping is not enough 00:04:06.300 --> 00:04:10.340 and that doesn't - I strongly, vehemently will 00:04:10.340 --> 00:04:14.800 not order ballpark nachos. The helmet nacho isn't 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.300 a thing for you. I'll do it only if kids want 00:04:17.300 --> 00:04:20.899 me to buy them the hell novelty Yeah, and fortunately 00:04:20.899 --> 00:04:24.259 we've outgrown that my son Grady and nephew Cooper 00:04:24.259 --> 00:04:27.839 I did a helmet nacho at the cell before the shower. 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.079 Yeah a few seasons back but outside of that I 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:33.819 haven't Ironically, he's not a keepsake type 00:04:33.819 --> 00:04:36.439 of kid and he still he still has the white socks 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:38.800 helmet on his helmet Yeah, I have dried cheese 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:40.829 on it and everything on the inside That's what 00:04:40.829 --> 00:04:42.850 the shower's for, baby. That's what the shower's 00:04:42.850 --> 00:04:45.050 for. That's how you got it cleaned up. So I, 00:04:45.050 --> 00:04:48.410 you know, I sat and thought about this. For me, 00:04:48.569 --> 00:04:50.810 the cheese can mess up the whole thing. Either 00:04:50.810 --> 00:04:53.730 the cheese or there just being like too much 00:04:53.730 --> 00:04:56.550 awful meats on it or something like that. But 00:04:56.550 --> 00:04:58.790 I love the meat. I love the cheese. There's a 00:04:58.790 --> 00:05:01.790 balance and the type of cheese matters. The Sevi 00:05:01.790 --> 00:05:05.790 Nacho for what it was, which was a late night 00:05:05.790 --> 00:05:09.790 cure -all. For me, it was the ride home, you're 00:05:09.790 --> 00:05:11.529 done with the bars, you're done with the night. 00:05:11.970 --> 00:05:13.769 Out, it's 2 .30 in the morning, you're looking 00:05:13.769 --> 00:05:16.889 for something to satiate your hunger, as it were, 00:05:17.029 --> 00:05:20.310 after a few too many. And I think that, at the 00:05:20.310 --> 00:05:22.129 time, that was what we had. We didn't have burrito 00:05:22.129 --> 00:05:25.410 places on campus. So all we had was 7 -Eleven 00:05:25.410 --> 00:05:28.220 and like a... Euro stop or something down the 00:05:28.220 --> 00:05:30.459 road and I didn't never went to that wait euros 00:05:30.459 --> 00:05:32.699 don't ring 2 30 in the morning to me But that's 00:05:32.699 --> 00:05:35.800 7 -eleven nacho kept calling me no one euros. 00:05:35.939 --> 00:05:39.319 Yes on 7 -eleven. Yes. Yes, they kept calling 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:41.839 me It was like on the way home from everything. 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.319 It was there was a line in there I mean people 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.339 were getting these things Sometimes if you felt 00:05:46.339 --> 00:05:48.139 a little extra you'd get them to sprinkle some 00:05:48.139 --> 00:05:50.319 of that beautiful meat on there Okay, that was 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:52.259 orange. It was orange meat by the way because 00:05:52.259 --> 00:05:55.019 that is disgusting. Yep Probably not chorizo. 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:58.319 Hey, you're you're you're flashing back to something 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:01.939 right now. Yeah locked up So when you got to 00:06:01.939 --> 00:06:04.480 Chicago, I don't want to say you had an issue, 00:06:04.500 --> 00:06:06.980 but you definitely had a burrito habit I mean 00:06:06.980 --> 00:06:10.120 it was paradise. Yeah, I had three burrito joints 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:12.600 within a block where I lived for many years So 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:17.069 I'm now guessing that the seven or SEVY nachos 00:06:17.069 --> 00:06:19.990 were your training wheels or gateway drugs to 00:06:19.990 --> 00:06:21.689 your burritos. They're very much were. Well, 00:06:21.850 --> 00:06:25.569 we ended up getting a burrito place, two burrito 00:06:25.569 --> 00:06:28.129 places on our college campus toward the end of, 00:06:28.129 --> 00:06:30.709 so I got time to refine my late night eating 00:06:30.709 --> 00:06:34.009 palette. But the SEVY nacho is kind of the gateway 00:06:34.009 --> 00:06:36.949 drug to the late night eating. I mean, there 00:06:36.949 --> 00:06:38.430 was nothing else open it to during the morning. 00:06:38.490 --> 00:06:40.870 So you'd just go in there and you'd grab this 00:06:40.870 --> 00:06:46.800 paper boat if you will of nachos that have been 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:50.060 sitting in the in the little chip rotunda thing 00:06:50.060 --> 00:06:53.720 there forever and they Just take a scooper of 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:56.639 this cheese and just slop it on there Maybe sprinkle 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:59.339 some of that orange meat, but when the burritos 00:06:59.339 --> 00:07:02.160 came, oh boy I mean the burrito late -night eating 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:05.720 was something to look forward to So your 7 -eleven 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:08.540 didn't even trust you enough to dispense your 00:07:08.540 --> 00:07:11.040 own cheese. I thought that was like common practice 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:15.509 at most 7 -eleven It sat at the register. I think 00:07:15.509 --> 00:07:17.290 people would just sit back there and house the 00:07:17.290 --> 00:07:19.470 stuff if it was sitting off to the side or something. 00:07:19.730 --> 00:07:22.829 Get a big gulp cup and just fill it with cheese. 00:07:23.009 --> 00:07:24.709 Just fill it with cheese and start dipping chips 00:07:24.709 --> 00:07:27.050 in the back aisle there. I think it would have 00:07:27.050 --> 00:07:29.629 been gotten unruly. But we ended up, you know, 00:07:29.750 --> 00:07:32.250 like I said, I graduated. You brought up the 00:07:32.250 --> 00:07:34.889 burritos. And the funny thing is at the burrito 00:07:34.889 --> 00:07:36.850 place, they had nachos and I rarely ever ordered 00:07:36.850 --> 00:07:39.639 them. I would get a burrito with this massive 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:42.459 cup of greasy fries. I'm gonna put all of this 00:07:42.459 --> 00:07:45.939 in my book called How to Gain 25 Pounds Overnight, 00:07:45.939 --> 00:07:47.819 because that's pretty much what I was able to 00:07:47.819 --> 00:07:49.740 do. I might have gained 50 overnight, to be dead 00:07:49.740 --> 00:07:52.100 honest with you. You knew me back then, you know. 00:07:52.339 --> 00:07:54.639 Metabolism isn't what it once was. And you did 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.800 love your burritos. So going back to it, the 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.680 cheese is the - The cheese is the topping, Brett. 00:08:00.220 --> 00:08:02.439 Yeah. That makes it all happen. For listener 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:04.899 Brett, the cheese is my topping. And then - It 00:08:04.899 --> 00:08:07.579 sounds ridiculous, but it is what it is. So you 00:08:07.579 --> 00:08:10.800 have a nacho without it. I like to do as many 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.480 additional toppings as possible. Most ballparks 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.699 only offer jalapenos. Fortunately, here in Chicago, 00:08:16.899 --> 00:08:20.120 we do have seven toppings that go on a Chicago 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:24.740 -style hot dog. And so the smart move, in my 00:08:24.740 --> 00:08:27.120 opinion, is to order your nachos. You know, just 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:33.039 your round tostito -style chip and your cheese 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.629 and then your jalapenos. And then make a quick 00:08:37.629 --> 00:08:41.649 beeline over to where there are additional toppings 00:08:41.649 --> 00:08:45.169 for the Chicago -style dog. Hopefully you can 00:08:45.169 --> 00:08:48.409 grab some tomatoes. Hopefully you can grab some 00:08:48.409 --> 00:08:50.750 - You're borrowing. You're borrowing. Hey, you 00:08:50.750 --> 00:08:53.809 know what? I paid my - You paid your fare. I 00:08:53.809 --> 00:08:56.450 paid my admission and I bought my food. If I 00:08:56.450 --> 00:08:59.149 can get some diced onions, if I can ever get 00:08:59.149 --> 00:09:01.870 black olives, but that's not a Chicago topping. 00:09:02.330 --> 00:09:05.610 Yeah. That black olive is a sneaky topping on 00:09:05.610 --> 00:09:09.029 a nacho. Oh, so sneaky. Yeah, so sneaky. Yeah, 00:09:09.029 --> 00:09:12.009 it does add something I will say a runner -up 00:09:12.009 --> 00:09:15.210 might be like a good black onion or a black olive 00:09:15.210 --> 00:09:18.129 Yeah, followed by maybe some decent onions that 00:09:18.129 --> 00:09:21.789 aren't too That aren't aren't too not too much. 00:09:21.970 --> 00:09:23.850 You don't have to be terribly voluminous I feel 00:09:23.850 --> 00:09:26.210 like the peppers are there because they provide 00:09:26.210 --> 00:09:29.230 additional acidity and crunch honestly if I had 00:09:29.230 --> 00:09:32.940 to say this Nachos are a food that I don't necessarily 00:09:32.940 --> 00:09:36.379 need meat on. Meaning that give me guacamole, 00:09:36.580 --> 00:09:40.100 give me sour cream, give me salsa, give me onions, 00:09:40.419 --> 00:09:43.740 peppers, olives, anything. The soft spreads and 00:09:43.740 --> 00:09:46.659 whatnot work on there really well. So I will 00:09:46.659 --> 00:09:48.360 say one of the more dangerous things you can 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:51.340 do with toppings to a Seve Nacho, a 7 -Eleven 00:09:51.340 --> 00:09:54.659 Nacho is to put jalapenos on there. Okay. That 00:09:54.659 --> 00:09:58.720 is like Hurricane Katrina in your lower GI the 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.820 next morning. If you go with that cheese, that 00:10:01.820 --> 00:10:04.980 meat and the jalapenos, it's not going to do 00:10:04.980 --> 00:10:08.159 well for you. You need that Big Gulp resuscitation 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:12.279 drink that you and our other listener Reeve specialized 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:16.039 in. Yeah. It's the RB. It's the RB. It's not 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:20.100 the RX. It's the RB. The RB. All right, enough 00:10:20.100 --> 00:10:23.259 on nachos. Everybody's stomachs should feel great 00:10:23.259 --> 00:10:25.440 now. Let's get into the game, Bill. What did 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:27.580 you see? What did you see in this series? A lot 00:10:27.580 --> 00:10:30.279 of frustration because the Tigers led in all 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:33.259 three games, but couldn't hold the lead. And 00:10:33.259 --> 00:10:36.259 this is going to be my big volley to you as well 00:10:36.259 --> 00:10:39.500 as we kind of wrap up. The pitching is really 00:10:39.500 --> 00:10:42.139 becoming a problem. The bats did not let us down 00:10:42.139 --> 00:10:45.879 this series. Runs were scored. Plentiful, plentiful. 00:10:46.580 --> 00:10:51.139 But we could not we the Tigers could not stop 00:10:51.139 --> 00:10:54.620 the Mets offense. So game one was ten to eight 00:10:54.620 --> 00:10:59.279 and Loss for the Tigers game two was a twelve 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:03.940 to five loss and then things rebounded and The 00:11:03.940 --> 00:11:06.460 Tigers won which is good. My prediction was they'd 00:11:06.460 --> 00:11:08.980 win one out of three I never thought this was 00:11:08.980 --> 00:11:11.259 going to be a great series for us It's a good 00:11:11.259 --> 00:11:14.610 measuring stick because it's a good team In game 00:11:14.610 --> 00:11:17.330 three, though, Chad, Casey Mai's got the win. 00:11:17.470 --> 00:11:23.429 He's now 13 -5 with a 3 .87 ERA. Is there ever 00:11:23.429 --> 00:11:26.370 been, in recent memory, a Tigers pitcher that 00:11:26.370 --> 00:11:29.929 is less exciting, has less swing -and -miss stuff, 00:11:30.490 --> 00:11:34.549 that somehow has 13 wins? Or, you know, I mean, 00:11:34.789 --> 00:11:36.309 he should finish the season with... I think he's 00:11:36.309 --> 00:11:39.029 just been very, you know, outside of his... Since 00:11:39.029 --> 00:11:40.730 the All -Star break, you've called this out, 00:11:40.750 --> 00:11:43.889 that he's struggled a little bit. Okay, and that's 00:11:43.889 --> 00:11:46.169 totally and completely just a bit just a titch. 00:11:46.169 --> 00:11:48.230 Okay. I know I know you're doing the little bite 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:51.100 He struggled a little bit, but then we get an 00:11:51.100 --> 00:11:53.500 outing like, you know, he was the stopper in 00:11:53.500 --> 00:11:56.159 this deal here. He played the stopper. He got 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:58.759 out there. He gave us a chance to win. I think 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:00.639 if he comes out for the sixth inning, he gets 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:02.720 absolutely rolled. And I think it was a really 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:05.720 good decision by Hinch to bring him back and 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:08.519 sit him down after five. I mean, give him a good 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:11.679 outing under his belt, going down through the 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:13.779 stretch run here. A very good managerial decision 00:12:13.779 --> 00:12:16.259 there. Of course. Tyler Holton came out and did 00:12:16.259 --> 00:12:18.360 his best to try to throw the game away, walked 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.559 one, gave up a hit, gave up a run immediately 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:30.220 and got yanked after a third of an inning. Just 00:12:30.220 --> 00:12:32.960 walked people. He just walked people just walked 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:35.139 now. He's just walking guys with a change -up 00:12:35.139 --> 00:12:38.379 which woof Tommy we need Tommy to figure it out 00:12:38.379 --> 00:12:40.419 because guys like Holton They're starting to 00:12:40.419 --> 00:12:43.139 regress quite a bit as the season goes on Interestingly 00:12:43.139 --> 00:12:45.360 enough will vest had minor struggles in that 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:49.100 game, too And he gave up a walk, which is a rare 00:12:49.100 --> 00:12:52.059 vesty thing to do in some senses But lately has 00:12:52.059 --> 00:12:55.240 become somewhat regular I'm still holding a 2 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:58.480 .7 ERA. Got out of the inning in a third. Got 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:00.600 out of the inning in a third. They, you know, 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:03.019 I like Vest for an inning. When he has to go 00:13:03.019 --> 00:13:05.840 out and come back, I'm not a huge fan of that. 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.419 But we saw Rafael Montero. Another sighting. 00:13:09.659 --> 00:13:12.740 At the end of the game. He seems to be like the, 00:13:12.899 --> 00:13:14.960 if Will Vest doesn't work, we just throw Rafi 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:18.240 out there and see what blows loose here. Well, 00:13:18.460 --> 00:13:20.639 there's a reason behind that as well, and that 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.940 was that Finnegan was warming up in the pen. 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:25.919 and experience groin tightness. I've been checking 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.080 for updates and I think they're just going to 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.100 treat it with kid gloves. And I don't know that 00:13:31.100 --> 00:13:33.879 we're going to see Kyle Finnegan this weekend 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:37.620 against the upcoming opponent, the Chicago White 00:13:37.620 --> 00:13:41.019 Sox. Yeah, this is, and I don't mean to preview 00:13:41.019 --> 00:13:44.240 too much, but if there's ever been a good or 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:48.500 get -right situation, White Sox at Comerica call 00:13:48.500 --> 00:13:51.460 -ups are expanded, meaning the roster's now, 00:13:51.460 --> 00:13:54.379 you know, expanded by two spots. Bring some guys 00:13:54.379 --> 00:13:57.200 up, play musical chairs with the pen, do what 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.480 you have to do, just get out of here with two 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:02.340 out of three or a sweep. Yeah. We gotta catch 00:14:02.340 --> 00:14:04.480 some pen magic down the stretch here somewhere, 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:07.240 and if it's gotta be a call -up, it's gotta be 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.440 a call -up. So I want to this is my big question 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:14.279 for you I mean we can recap the games but I think 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:16.679 really what's on most of our listeners minds 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:19.539 and really what's on our minds is What do you 00:14:19.539 --> 00:14:23.200 do with this pitching staff chat? I had the pleasure 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:27.340 of visiting the Cubs general manager Jed Hoyer 00:14:27.340 --> 00:14:31.259 president I guess office a few years back and 00:14:31.259 --> 00:14:35.360 He had a big dry erase board in his office and 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:42.879 it said find more pitching Sure. He wrote it 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:45.840 in Sharpie on a dry erase board, meaning so that 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.899 it could never be erased. And that was his mantra 00:14:48.899 --> 00:14:51.879 and his belief every day. And I have to feel 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:54.899 that Scott Harris and others feel the same way. 00:14:55.419 --> 00:14:58.279 I know we called it dumpster diving, but Scott, 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:00.679 I guess, given we don't know what parameters 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:02.940 he was given by the Illich family or Chris Illich. 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:07.340 We also don't know what's going to happen. Major 00:15:07.340 --> 00:15:09.639 League Baseball's labor going forward, you know, 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:12.000 maybe the Tigers do make a best effort to re 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:14.580 -sign Tarek Schubel. I mean, these are all X 00:15:14.580 --> 00:15:17.240 factors and questions we don't know. We still 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:20.600 need more pitching. I'm always gonna need it. 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:22.659 It's it's like the commodity that you can never 00:15:22.659 --> 00:15:24.899 have enough of Yeah, I feel like there isn't 00:15:24.899 --> 00:15:27.580 a single team if you think back over the last 00:15:27.580 --> 00:15:29.600 couple trade deadlines Do you remember anyone 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:31.679 being like, you know, it's gonna be a light deadline 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.559 for pitching. It's never a light day It's always 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.399 now looking for starters looking for back end 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:40.580 rotation guys looking for relievers looking for 00:15:40.580 --> 00:15:42.799 guys to close games out I mean this this trade 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:46.580 deadline was like the the you know the peak of 00:15:46.570 --> 00:15:50.549 This but I look at our games. I'm not even gonna 00:15:50.549 --> 00:15:52.990 cover the hitters like game one You got Morton 00:15:52.990 --> 00:15:56.330 going 3 .2, which is what we sort of expected 00:15:56.330 --> 00:15:59.149 from Uncle Charlie We sort of just expected he 00:15:59.149 --> 00:16:00.950 wasn't going to be that great and he gave us 00:16:00.950 --> 00:16:04.610 some good starts. So in the end, I think the 00:16:04.610 --> 00:16:07.090 signing of Morton worked. We got a couple of 00:16:07.090 --> 00:16:09.809 wins out of him, but he goes 3 .2, gives up six 00:16:09.809 --> 00:16:13.250 runs, walks four guys. Montero comes out, pitches 00:16:13.250 --> 00:16:15.950 two thirds, does okay, walks his token batter. 00:16:16.090 --> 00:16:17.809 Montero is always going to put somebody on base. 00:16:18.230 --> 00:16:20.309 You don't want to bring Montero in with the bases 00:16:20.309 --> 00:16:22.429 loaded because I think automatically a run is 00:16:22.429 --> 00:16:25.649 going to score at some point. Drew Summers. Drew, 00:16:25.649 --> 00:16:27.950 Seve Nacho Summers. went out there and gave up 00:16:27.950 --> 00:16:30.210 three runs. I don't know if Drew is the solution. 00:16:30.610 --> 00:16:34.450 Drew's ERA at the end of game one ballooned to 00:16:34.450 --> 00:16:39.909 18. You heard me right. 18 .00. He has been sent 00:16:39.909 --> 00:16:43.009 back down to Toledo. Yeah. And I think he might... 00:16:43.009 --> 00:16:45.350 He wasn't the answer. He might just need a little 00:16:45.350 --> 00:16:48.029 more seasoning, let's say. A little more seasoning 00:16:48.029 --> 00:16:50.889 on those nachos. Troy Melton, two and two thirds, 00:16:51.029 --> 00:16:53.399 he... Yeah, you know, give up a run, give up 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:55.960 two walks, struck out three. You know, over two 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.039 and two thirds, Melton gets asked to do these 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:00.220 long relief spots, because I think they're gonna, 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:02.039 I think he's gonna end up back in the rotation. 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.680 He's gonna be in the rotation. Yeah, they did 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.039 bring up Kyder Montero. They brought him back 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:09.519 up, so we'll see how he fits the mold, but I 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:11.799 think Melton's gonna get put into this rotation 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.259 at some point. He does, if he went five and... 00:17:14.089 --> 00:17:15.809 Let's just suppose he went five and two -thirds 00:17:15.809 --> 00:17:18.690 for us and gave up two runs. Totally fine. I 00:17:18.690 --> 00:17:20.390 think we'd be ecstatic. Ecstatic. We'd be ecstatic. 00:17:20.930 --> 00:17:23.289 You'll get to see my cartwheel, which is ugly 00:17:23.289 --> 00:17:26.309 to say the least. Hey, can I have... I have a 00:17:26.309 --> 00:17:28.630 jersey idea and it's a terrible one. Okay. You're 00:17:28.630 --> 00:17:31.049 gonna hate it. Perfect. Good. Love terrible ideas. 00:17:31.349 --> 00:17:33.950 Now that we've got two Monteros out of the pen, 00:17:34.490 --> 00:17:37.049 you and I need to get matching Montero jerseys. 00:17:37.150 --> 00:17:39.670 Wow. You get Raphael and I get Peter. I don't 00:17:39.670 --> 00:17:41.589 know. I don't know if that's a good investment. 00:17:42.329 --> 00:17:44.089 I don't know if that's a good investment. I'm 00:17:44.089 --> 00:17:46.470 not a Jesse guy per se, but I don't know if that's 00:17:46.470 --> 00:17:49.289 a good investment either way. Chet, I can't think 00:17:49.289 --> 00:17:52.529 of money more well wasted than that move right 00:17:52.529 --> 00:17:56.190 there. That is throwing money away. Good money 00:17:56.190 --> 00:17:59.349 that could be spent on Seve Nachos. Many Seve 00:17:59.349 --> 00:18:01.490 Nachos that I don't need anymore, by the way. 00:18:01.569 --> 00:18:03.470 Those are not, they don't go into the stomach. 00:18:03.809 --> 00:18:08.309 The stomach is, it's not, it's made of, you know, 00:18:08.829 --> 00:18:10.970 Thinning tissue paper at this point. I know you 00:18:10.970 --> 00:18:13.589 got a vegan bratwurst last time you were at a 00:18:13.589 --> 00:18:16.549 Twins game. Did you also get like the basic nachos 00:18:16.549 --> 00:18:18.490 at that Twins game? Yeah, I got a nacho. So what 00:18:18.490 --> 00:18:21.529 I got was that vegan bratwurst and then I had 00:18:21.529 --> 00:18:24.789 to counter it with something that tasted good. 00:18:25.269 --> 00:18:29.069 So I went with a regular old ballpark dog and 00:18:29.069 --> 00:18:31.970 then I had my, I believe I had a nacho of some 00:18:31.970 --> 00:18:34.369 sort while I sat and watched. But not a helmet? 00:18:34.589 --> 00:18:37.309 Not a helmet. I can't eat nachos out of plastic. 00:18:37.329 --> 00:18:41.150 It's a weird deal. I can't eat the plastic with 00:18:41.150 --> 00:18:43.089 my food. It's just gross. You haven't put the 00:18:43.089 --> 00:18:46.369 wax paper down. Oh, I don't think they do that. 00:18:46.630 --> 00:18:48.750 Oh yeah, they do that. Target, do they? You gotta 00:18:48.750 --> 00:18:52.099 ask. Is that a special request? Yeah. Wow. I 00:18:52.099 --> 00:18:53.619 didn't even know you could do - I thought the 00:18:53.619 --> 00:18:55.559 idea was like, you get the helmet, you get the 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:57.119 cheese, and you put it on your head if you have 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.059 too many drinks. You don't know where that helmet's 00:18:59.059 --> 00:19:00.839 been. I don't know where it's been. That's why 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.119 I don't want my nachos in it. Alright, so game 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:06.259 two, Sawyer Gypsum Long. Also, probably not the 00:19:06.259 --> 00:19:08.819 solution, Bill. Four innings pitch, six runs. 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.980 Now it's become like, our starters blow up, they 00:19:11.980 --> 00:19:13.940 give up six runs within three or four innings. 00:19:14.059 --> 00:19:17.380 It's just the number, I think. Very odd to me. 00:19:18.429 --> 00:19:21.930 Bailey horn he did a decent job gave up two hits 00:19:21.930 --> 00:19:24.789 but no runs over naming a third and he hasn't 00:19:24.789 --> 00:19:27.470 been Recalled yet either. So he's still up with 00:19:27.470 --> 00:19:30.490 the big league club now paddock one and a third 00:19:30.490 --> 00:19:36.170 six runs. I don't like this move. Oh Hi, yeah 00:19:36.170 --> 00:19:40.789 more Chris paddock I'm not 100 % sure I'm on 00:19:40.789 --> 00:19:43.890 board with him as a reliever either. I don't 00:19:43.890 --> 00:19:47.250 know what we'd do with him. I'm another guy that 00:19:47.250 --> 00:19:50.630 just seems so broken and so hittable. Tommy Canley 00:19:50.630 --> 00:19:52.730 did come out and pitch a third of an inning, 00:19:53.549 --> 00:19:56.250 one third of an inning, four pitches, nothing 00:19:56.250 --> 00:19:58.809 across. Good job, Tommy. That's a great spot 00:19:58.809 --> 00:20:00.369 for Tommy. Come out and get out of the inning. 00:20:00.750 --> 00:20:02.589 That's what we need. Guess what all four pitches 00:20:02.589 --> 00:20:06.160 were? I'm going to bet they were change -ups. 00:20:06.259 --> 00:20:08.440 Sliders. Were they sliders? No. Were they two 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.500 seamers? No, no. Change -ups. Change -ups. Hanofi 00:20:11.500 --> 00:20:13.480 came out and pitched another good inning of ball, 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:15.920 another clean inning. That's two games in a row. 00:20:16.019 --> 00:20:18.119 They brought him out for an inning and he pitched 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:21.200 clean. So maybe we get a Brennan Hanofi resurrection 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.140 here toward the end of the season. That would 00:20:23.140 --> 00:20:25.900 be excellent. And then we got, yeah, then we, 00:20:25.940 --> 00:20:27.700 sorry, finish your thought. I got so excited 00:20:27.700 --> 00:20:30.599 to talk about this next one, but please. I was 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:33.579 just going to say he is someone that... we need 00:20:33.579 --> 00:20:36.180 coming back. I've already mentioned that Tyler 00:20:36.180 --> 00:20:38.839 Holtons had his issues, but I also think Tyler 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:44.180 Holtons issues are, if you look at their XY axis 00:20:44.180 --> 00:20:47.160 or relationship, it's directly correspondence 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:50.720 or corresponding with overutilization. Yeah, 00:20:50.900 --> 00:20:55.259 probably. And I'm a Holton fan, and I also think 00:20:55.259 --> 00:20:58.259 he's done Yeoman's work and done everything that 00:20:58.259 --> 00:21:00.579 has been asked of him as a Detroit Tiger this 00:21:00.579 --> 00:21:03.279 season. I'm not making excuses. He's not pitching 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:05.900 his best right now. And Hannafee's gone through 00:21:05.900 --> 00:21:09.440 a similar process. It seems that overutilization 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:13.099 leads to least or less effectiveness. That's 00:21:13.099 --> 00:21:15.059 why I think this weekend's so important to bring 00:21:15.059 --> 00:21:18.440 up the Bailey Horns. I would recall Chase Lee. 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:22.519 Yeah. Reports are that he's unlocked something 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:24.539 in the minors, apparently. So maybe we'll see 00:21:24.539 --> 00:21:26.480 something there. Yeah. But you were, please, 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:28.180 sorry, you were talking about Hannafee and going 00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:31.250 through the list. This guy to close that one 00:21:31.250 --> 00:21:33.009 out because the game had gotten out of hand a 00:21:33.009 --> 00:21:35.589 little bit was Jake Rogers. And Jake Rogers has 00:21:35.589 --> 00:21:38.170 one of the lowest ERAs of any of our pitchers 00:21:38.170 --> 00:21:39.930 right now. Oh, by the way, he's our catcher with 00:21:39.930 --> 00:21:43.029 the mustache. How is that possible? The fifth 00:21:43.029 --> 00:21:46.329 lowest ERA on the team. He's a 245 ERA for Jake 00:21:46.329 --> 00:21:48.890 Rogers and he pitched a clean inning. Do we need 00:21:48.890 --> 00:21:52.220 to convert him to a pitcher? I... Love that would 00:21:52.220 --> 00:21:54.859 be incredible. I mean, that's yeah, we're teaching 00:21:54.859 --> 00:21:56.759 my knuckleball and just let him throw it out 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.259 there So the last game we did kind of cover this 00:21:59.259 --> 00:22:02.279 already Mize was brilliant for five innings Tyler 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:05.740 Holton not so much Canley came out gave up two 00:22:05.740 --> 00:22:09.000 walks not great But didn't give up any runs over 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:12.400 an inning a third vest and then Montero We discussed 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:14.859 this seeing a Montero sighting at the tail end 00:22:14.859 --> 00:22:16.920 of the game again, Bill What are you looking 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:20.200 for for the weekend series here? What excites 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:23.240 you for the Sox? Hopefully a three game sweep. 00:22:23.500 --> 00:22:27.400 Definitely taking two out of three. Flaherty's 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:31.420 on the bump this evening. And what I'm going 00:22:31.420 --> 00:22:34.680 to say now is some good news, bad news on Jack 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.200 Flaherty. I read a couple articles on baseball 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:41.779 prospectus that said that his option for next 00:22:41.779 --> 00:22:46.220 year is 20 million. It's a team option and that 00:22:46.220 --> 00:22:49.779 the market will be So the good news is he probably 00:22:49.779 --> 00:22:51.799 won't be a tiger next year for those of you that 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:54.339 are over the Jack Flaherty roller coaster. The 00:22:54.339 --> 00:22:57.859 bad news is Jack Flaherty is 20 million. Bad 00:22:57.859 --> 00:23:01.160 news is he's desirable. He is going to get a 00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:04.640 lot more money than $20 million. And how is that 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:07.819 possible? And then how do you replace a, you 00:23:07.819 --> 00:23:10.359 know, that slot Saturday is going to be really 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:13.859 exciting. You've got Perez up against Tarek Scoble 00:23:13.859 --> 00:23:18.369 and then Sunday. Martin against Uncle Charlie 00:23:18.369 --> 00:23:21.970 Morton. The Tigers have to win tonight. They 00:23:21.970 --> 00:23:25.069 have to win tomorrow because the game that I 00:23:25.069 --> 00:23:28.009 have the least amount of confidence in is Sunday. 00:23:28.509 --> 00:23:31.730 It is time though for the Tigers just to put 00:23:31.730 --> 00:23:34.890 the division somewhat out of reach. Not saying 00:23:34.890 --> 00:23:37.029 the White Sox have been in contention since the 00:23:37.029 --> 00:23:40.349 second week of the season. Sure, sure. But right 00:23:40.349 --> 00:23:43.630 now, the Tigers are 81 and 60. They're three 00:23:43.630 --> 00:23:45.849 and seven for their last 10. They're on a one 00:23:45.849 --> 00:23:48.690 game win streak. The Kansas City Royals are nine 00:23:48.690 --> 00:23:50.569 and a half back. They're five and five in their 00:23:50.569 --> 00:23:54.250 last 10. They've won one. The Cleveland Guardians, 00:23:54.410 --> 00:23:57.589 or Indians, as you like to so fondly refer to 00:23:57.589 --> 00:24:01.910 them, 69 and 70. They're 11 back. Five and five 00:24:01.910 --> 00:24:04.609 in their last 10. They've lost one. This weekend, 00:24:04.849 --> 00:24:08.410 if the Tigers were to sweep, and Fortune happened 00:24:08.410 --> 00:24:11.369 with the other two clubs that are somewhat chasing. 00:24:11.809 --> 00:24:14.529 Mm -hmm. The season, you know, I don't want to 00:24:14.529 --> 00:24:16.269 say it's old. It's not mathematical yet. No, 00:24:16.289 --> 00:24:17.930 no, no, no, no. We don't have an elimination 00:24:17.930 --> 00:24:21.750 game yet, but. Well, it's down to 13. It's down 00:24:21.750 --> 00:24:24.809 to three. Yeah, yeah. So, but if you picked up, 00:24:24.950 --> 00:24:27.630 let's just say the Royals are going to the, your 00:24:27.630 --> 00:24:30.430 city, well, excuse me, your team, the Twins, 00:24:30.470 --> 00:24:33.809 I'm joking, is going to Kaufman and the Guardians. 00:24:34.059 --> 00:24:36.920 I have to go down to the minor league band box 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:40.180 that is George Steinbrenner Field. Let's just 00:24:40.180 --> 00:24:42.099 say they both lose two out of three, Tigers win 00:24:42.099 --> 00:24:44.380 two out of three, pretty comfortable with three 00:24:44.380 --> 00:24:47.400 weeks left in the season. How are you feeling 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:50.319 on that? I feel fine. I think it's great. We've 00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:53.039 covered this nauseam now. We just need to win 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:55.500 some games. That's all it comes down to. One 00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:57.619 thing I want to worry about sooner than then 00:24:57.619 --> 00:25:00.819 is Shane Smith. Shane Smith is a pitcher that... 00:25:00.670 --> 00:25:03.190 This guy's been pretty good. His win loss doesn't 00:25:03.190 --> 00:25:05.289 tell it, but his overall metrics do. He could 00:25:05.289 --> 00:25:07.769 give us fits tonight. I'm going to be watching 00:25:07.769 --> 00:25:09.710 this one pretty closely. If Jack Flaherty's not 00:25:09.710 --> 00:25:12.349 in his game and spots Shane Smith a couple runs 00:25:12.349 --> 00:25:14.670 out of the gate, we don't want to start a series 00:25:14.670 --> 00:25:18.170 like this off like that. We need good Jack Flaherty 00:25:18.170 --> 00:25:20.450 more than ever tonight. Yeah, we do. We need 00:25:20.450 --> 00:25:24.049 to start this series off strong and get two out 00:25:24.049 --> 00:25:26.589 of three minimum from the White Sox this weekend. 00:25:27.049 --> 00:25:29.750 I think we've beat this one to death. We're going 00:25:29.750 --> 00:25:32.369 to finish up this series here. Bill, any closing 00:25:32.369 --> 00:25:35.849 thoughts? No closing thoughts? Go Tigers. Go 00:25:35.849 --> 00:25:44.329 Tigers. All right. That's going to do it for 00:25:44.329 --> 00:25:46.789 this episode of the Litterbox, a Detroit Tigers 00:25:46.789 --> 00:25:49.470 podcast. Thanks for hanging out with us. We're 00:25:49.470 --> 00:25:51.890 Bill and Chet. We'll be back soon with more Tigers 00:25:51.890 --> 00:25:54.910 Talk. If you're enjoying the show, be sure to 00:25:54.910 --> 00:25:58.380 follow or subscribe on Spotify. Apple Podcasts, 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.500 or wherever you get your podcasts. And hey, if 00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:04.759 you got a minute, leave us a quick review. Till 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:06.400 next time, Go Tigers!