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You're listening to The Litterbox, a Detroit

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Tigers podcast with your hosts, Chet West and

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Bill Patterson. Detroit Tiger fans and Litterbox

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listeners, it's your hosts, Billy P and Chet,

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and we have more exciting news about your Detroit

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Tigers. We sit in the catbird seat. The Tigers

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are now in a commanding position with this division.

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All of a sudden, other teams are starting to

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get cold. They are now 11 and a half games up

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on the Royals, 12 and a half games up on the

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Guardians. But really, folks, that's not what's

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important. What's important is what Chet ate

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yesterday. And so Chet, I need you to tell us

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about this hot dog that you sent to me. It was

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a glorious photo and it looked to be a hot mess.

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And I really would like some dissection. is detailed

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and as graphic as you can be because this dog.

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You know I'm going to give you nothing less.

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Of course not. Than detailed and graphic. I appreciate

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that. That's why we're here. Well, I'll set the

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scene for you. How many over 50 baseball games

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have you been to? And what I mean by this is

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these are baseball leagues. That the requirement

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of the players in the league is they're over

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50 So can I tell you the last time that I played

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hardball? Sure was when I was one of the assistant

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coaches for Grady when he was that's my son He's

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17 now. He was eight at the time and the dads

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all decided to have like a charity type of venue

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from competing teams in the league I Considered

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myself beyond fortunate because I was one of

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I think six dads that played in that of, let's

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say 20, that didn't leave the game with some

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type of gimp hobble or tennis elbow or whatever.

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It was a comedy of errors. And so now I have

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not experienced this. Please enlighten us and

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the listeners on what an over 50 hard ball game

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looks like. So throughout the landscape of this

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great state of Minnesota, we have a lot of what

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are like town ball ball parks. And these are

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really nice ballparks. I mean, some of them,

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some of them look like kind of very small scaled

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down minor league ballparks. Adds on the outfield

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fences, maybe Ivy on the outfield fences. And

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they have a press box above with some small seating

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around. We went out to one. yesterday in Prior

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Lake that was a very nice ballpark. So that was

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my first, you know, I walk in and I'm like, wow,

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they get to play at a really cool ballpark. There's

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a great little setting here. We sat in what were

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basically box seats down the first baseline.

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And why were you here? Did you know somebody

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or just my brother -in -law? My brother -in -law

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is what I was getting to my brother -in -law

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who is 48 years old. He is the one exception.

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On his team of over 50 players you get one player

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below 50. So he's a ringer. Let's let's I'm gonna

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Look David played college ball. Most of these

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guys he's out there playing with on these teams

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played some form of college ball You know, I

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wouldn't be shocked if some of them got got up

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to possibly playing But some sort of pro level,

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you know independent league minor league type

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thing a lot of them coach youth baseball somewhere

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along the lines, but they're over 50. And so

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I thought I was going to be going out and seeing

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this gaggle of like over 50 year old men who

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are going to make me feel awful about myself

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physically and like, you know, and a couple of

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them are in great shape. Don't get me wrong.

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The bulk of them, they've, they're over 50. We'll

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just say that. Okay. It was a little, I, you

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forget they're baseball players. They're not

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track stars. They're not, you know, as John Kruk

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once said, I'm not an athlete. I'm a ball player.

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I'm a baseball player. So there, a lot of them

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have been, you know, living life and eating and

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drinking what they please. And so you get a mixed

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bag and you could tell everybody in their heyday

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probably had some great skills. I have no doubt.

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And I will tell you right now, I would have been

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a mess in this. They would have been, people

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would have probably booed me off the field, which

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I think kind of against the spirit of the deal.

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Would you have pulled a hammy? Easily. Easily.

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I mean, they have a, for instance, they have

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a rule. Any ball that leaves the infield and

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gets in the outfield, in fair play, you get first

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base automatically. So you don't have to dig

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anything out. Okay, so that is that's the first

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rule. That's kind of like curtailed. They don't

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want anybody tearing anything bill Okay, but

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smart man. There were a few plays I mean a couple

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plays at second where guys are sliding into second

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and they're throwing down to second you get collisions

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at second base the fun plays are like when you

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get somebody hits some squibber or tapper and

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that the pitcher has to Use some cat -like instincts

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to get over and field the ball, but as they're

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bending down, they topple over and fall on their

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face instead of fielding the ball. But the great

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part is, is that the guy running from home to

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first is only halfway at that point, so you can

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still throw them out. It's crazy. Do they have

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uniforms and sponsors? Full uniforms. Sponsorships.

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belts or is it more elastic? There's stirrups,

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there's full baseball pants, belts, jerseys.

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Okay, but it's not the elastic waistband that

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we had in the late 70s or early 80s. No, I don't

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believe so, no. These were some legitimate, they're

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all gussied up and ready to play ball. And some

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of these guys have some great talent. They got

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a guy on, I think, my brother -in -law's team

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that throws 70. So most of them were not throwing

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that hard. I, you know, I started saying, eh,

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they don't throw that hard. My brother -in -law

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still has a great stroke, always been a good

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hitter, can put a charge on the ball if he wants

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to. But as we're sitting there cheering along

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and everybody's kind of having a good giggle

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over this whole thing and there aren't a ton

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of fans. I mean, we had a group of family that

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went out to support him and watch his team play

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yesterday. And it was great entertainment. They

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have a concession stand. And you and I have this

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passion for ballpark food and making sure that

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we... dip into the local flavor, give a little

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review. I went up at the concession stand and

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lo and behold, there was a menu at the bottom.

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There were hot dog. There was pulled pork sandwich.

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They had an item at the bottom called a pulled

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wiener. I'm not making up the name of that and

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it is on the menu. It was a hot dog covered in

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pulled pork. So the pulled pork was a topping.

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And I felt inclined to buy one of these things.

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For $4? I may go back next Sunday, even if my

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brother -in -law is not playing, and get one

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of these things. I mean, they were the cheaps.

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This is a cheap lunch. I believe that's like

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$36 less than the boomstick. I'm pretty sure

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it is. I mean, was it heavy? I mean, just...

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It was... It wasn't... Are we talking like a

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quarter pound dog or like a regular hot dog?

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No, just your garden variety regular hot dog.

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They're not going crazy, okay? Okay. Garden variety

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regular hot dog, but with the pulled pork on

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top made a nice addition. I scarfed it down,

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Bill, and I will go back for that pulled pork.

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If I'm in Prior Lake on a weekend and I know

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this league is still in session, I am going back

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for a pulled... pulled wiener. I think it's probably,

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if you're in town and you're near the ballpark,

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go grab one. I was talking to the guy behind

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the desk and I think he runs the concessions

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and his wife probably makes these things. He's

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like, ah, you know, Crystal's got one of the

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best pulled wieners in the area. I was kind of

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just at a giggle. I mean, that was one of the

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best interactions. I couldn't not buy one at

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that point. And it was a great experience. It

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was a cool little day out, kind of a different

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way to... different way to see baseball. But

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I sat there eating this thing. I was like, I

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got to review this on the pod. I mean, this isn't,

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it's not, it's not the cell. It's not guaranteed

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rate. It's not Wrigley. It's not the target field,

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but it was an experience nonetheless. So it's

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a regular hot dog. Let's call it like one eighth

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of a pound. That's what most store -bought hot

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dogs are. It's about an eighth of a pound. Yeah.

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Okay. And the bun, was it like a steamed bun?

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No, no, not a steamed bun. Just a wonder bread

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hot dog bun. Okay. With your one -eighth pound

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dog in the middle. Grilled, steamed, or boiled?

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I believe they were steamed. Okay. I believe

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they were steamed. I'll be honest, the production

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aspect of this food was not out in the open.

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The concession stand didn't really have the space

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for that. So I think some things were happening

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in the back room. There's a lot of trust. There's

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a lot of trust put into it Well, I mean not I

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mean when you're paying $40 for a boomstick you

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expect to see it assembled behind glass Yeah,

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which I don't know if I mentioned they do do

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that it both Texas Rangers parks, you know the

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past and the present but let's get to really

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important. So then they top this dog with pulled

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pork. Is there barbecue sauce added? There's

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nothing added and it's kind of the beauty of

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it because you know me and my plain Jane. So

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two simple meats mowing together. Two simple

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meats laying in a bun coexisting and what I did

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was I put some mustard on it. Because I felt

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like I needed to have a little something in there

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I was a little afraid it was gonna be kind of

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dry to be honest with you been saying I didn't

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know where I came it came from the back room

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of the commit session stand Okay, I did not want

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to I didn't want to take the gamble of it being

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a little too dry and then having to go back and

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dress it up in front of the guy and then you

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know insult his pulled wiener so I ended up getting

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some mustard and kind of putting some on there

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and it was lovely it made for a wonderful addition,

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I think maybe some Barbecue sauce would have

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been better and I almost went back got a second

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one and got the barbecue sauce for it But I did

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not do that. So do they have like a topping stand

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at this park or is it they do? Okay, so you didn't

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have to get like the individual packets of mustards.

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No, okay, cuz can I beef Yep, very very Frank.

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Yes while we're talking about banks. Yeah, I

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went to Wrigley the other day and I'm not trying

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to I'm adding to your story No, no, please and

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I ordered one of your steamed dogs. Yeah And

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it was delicious. Yep. But what my annoyance

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was, was that the vendor asked, I know, I know.

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Do you want ketchup? Do you want mustard? Do

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you want relish? And by the time he grabbed three

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napkins for me and mustard and relish, and he

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gave me ketchup, even though I would never put

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it on a hot dog. And that's not the Chicago in

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me. I just don't care for ketchup on a hot dog.

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I get it. process just seemed a little too jumbled

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for my preferences. It wasn't seamless. And what

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it makes me do is appreciate the old tiger stadium

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and the fact that there was only one choice.

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You could either get a steamed ballpark wiener

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out of it in its nicely steamed bun, melding

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all together, or that large tongue dispenser.

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I don't know what else to call it. Like you see

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at the doctor's office back in the day, they

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would dip that in a - Yeah. huge vat of yellow

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mustard and slather your dog. And that was it.

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You had two choices. And I think that we as a

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society may have gotten too many offerings going.

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We have too many choices. However, I do not think

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the dog you had fits the bill of too many choices.

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I also want to try this dog next time I come

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see you all. It was an adventure. And at the

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end of the day, in general, it was an adventure.

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I'd never been to one of these events before.

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And I saw that on the menu, and I said, you know,

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we got to try something different here. And he

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was kind of pushing it. He wasn't pushing it,

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but he kind of had that look in his eyes, like,

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you're going to like this. Trust me, it's good.

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I would like to try it with barbecue sauce and

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pickles, perhaps. Don't ask me why. If you're

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not gonna they had some relish in a squeeze bottle

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out there and I almost went for that but I was

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I don't know because relish is usually sweet

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where I feel like what this might need Barbecue

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sauce usually sweetens things because of the

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brown sugar the molasses or you know, it's somewhat

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tomato ketchup paste a little bit of mustard

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in it, but not usually a whole lot a little bit

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of vinegar, but what you want is the saltiness

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to balance, you know, that sweetness out. And

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that's where I'm thinking, like, just a simple

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dill pickle chip, either crinkled or even, like,

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McDonald's does the clean cut ones. Something

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like the sandwich dills or something that are

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kind of sliced. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would

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have been lovely. I think in the end, I would

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go barbecue sauce and maybe throw a pickle on

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there if it was offered. Maybe if you're listening

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out there, guy in the... the concession stand

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at Prior Lake Stadium. You'll do that next time.

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Just a tip from the Litterbox podcast to you.

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At any rate, that's all I've got on that. I wanted

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to open that up to the group and give that food

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experience. Fantastic. By the way, there was

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no after effect either. I was a little afraid

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because I couldn't see the prep. I don't know

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if you're like this, but I was wondering where

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my food's coming from. Didn't bother me. It was

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fine. Everything worked out well. You do not

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seem like a man that would be as concerned as

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he should be with where your food's coming from.

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I'm extremely concerned, actually. It's a weird

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thing. I don't do potlucks. If we should do an

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episode on potlucks, I don't do potlucks. I don't

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know who's made... I don't know how... I don't

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know the level of cleanliness that that person

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has taken to make their, I don't know, onion

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bake or whatever the heck they're bringing to

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the potluck. I don't know what they're doing

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in their kitchen before that gets to the show.

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to the potluck. Okay, so here's the two things

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that are just jumping out at me. One, potluck

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seems to be somewhat of an archaic term, except

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for in the Twin Cities where you are. We do them

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all the time here. And isn't there something

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like Sunday Dish or something like that? It's

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the... Yeah, Sunday Dish. Or there's a name for

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it. Hot Dish. That's what it is, sorry. You know,

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it's a potato creation of sorts. We should do

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this. Let's do this on another show. We could

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go on for another 20 minutes on Hot Dish. Honestly,

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it is a tradition around here. And I think there's

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probably space for this on another show. If you

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guys want to hear more about Hot Dish, let us

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know in the comments. We'll break out a whole

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Hot Dish deal. Maybe the next time we play The

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Twins. Do we have another series this season,

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Bill? I don't think we do. Why don't we save

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it for the sister podcast? When we play the Vikings.

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Because Hot Dish is also more of a football food.

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So if you're over there listening to the Litterbox,

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the Detroit Lions podcast, you may get Hot Dish

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reviews for your Vikings weekend. Well, Hot Dish

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also doesn't wreak summer to me or spell summer.

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You're thinking cold macaroni salad, food off

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the grill. Potatosh is a warm blanket. It's to

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warm you up on a November, December, January

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day. It is not something you're eating in July.

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You will get the sweats in a bad way from that.

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Let's do it for the Viking show. Let's book that.

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That's going to happen for the Viking show for

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the football pod. So back to Tiger's news. We

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had a call up and he was a very, very intriguing

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young man and still is an intriguing young man

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by the name of Drew Summers. He's a relief pitcher

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that came up and pitched and he is listed at

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65, 250 pounds. I am going to guess that one

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of those might not be correct, but maybe they

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are, but he has a large man that throws a small

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ball, really, really hard. And what were your

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initial thoughts on our newest call -up to our

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Detroit Tigers? Well, a sizable offering on the

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mound, first and foremost. Drew Summers is going

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to stay up with the team, the big club? Yeah,

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I do, only because the rosters are expanding,

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so I think it's a pretty safe call. His initial

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outing, he throws hard, he throws fast, the control

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wasn't all there. However, he offers two things

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that I think are extremely valuable to this pen.

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One is that he's a lefty and to win his locations

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good, he's a swing and miss guy. Being a lefty

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that's a swing and miss guy are two things that

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are sorely needed in this bullpen. So I definitely

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see a slot for him coming forward and I. I'm

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willing to give him more opportunities. I'm not

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saying we wouldn't. I mean, at this point with

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our bullpen, why not? He got a third of an inning,

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two walks. over 16 pitches, not the best showing

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for him, like you said, but what do you do? I

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mean, maybe he brings a little fighter down the,

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down the stretch, seems to be a sink or slider

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guy, pairs those two pitches. At this point,

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anything that offers any type of diversity to

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our bullpen, meaning it's so right -handed dependent

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and there are so few swing and miss guys outside

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of Will Vest that I will take whatever we can

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get at this point. And I think you would probably

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back me up on that. He came on from Mize in that

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first game. They won a 7 -5. Do you think Casey

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Mize is required to just give up three runs every

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game? Yes. It's just such an odd stat line. I

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would like to go back and look at every game

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he's pitched and see how many of them he's given

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up three runs over 5 .2 or five and a third.

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He seems to get into the sixth. He gives three

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runs up. They yank him. I'm not saying it's good

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or bad. He doesn't strike out a bunch of guys.

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I'm more or less just, it just seems odd to me.

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He's a three run game guy. Like that's what you're

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going to get out of him. I'll take it actually,

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considering the rest of our starting staff. Yeah,

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going back to the lefty versus righty, outside

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of Scubal, who's a starter, Summers and Holton

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are the only two lefties we have on the rest

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of the roster, which is a little unnerving as

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we approach playoff time. Let's talk about the

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good news. The Tigers have taken yet another

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series against Royals. They've already won two

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out of three. Right now, the game is currently

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nine -seven, or excuse me, ten -seven Royals.

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They just scored again. Saw that who knows what's

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gonna happen with this one my hope and I believe

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yours as well would be that the bullpen doesn't

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get too dinged up or overutilized today mm -hmm

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for the fact that they have to travel west to

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Sacramento to play the athletics the next three

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games and Let's just get out of there clean two

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wins a series win would be amazing I would even

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settle for one win just no sweeps. Yeah at this

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point We don't want to take a three game ding

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to the standings here Most importantly with that

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Thursday's an off day, so it's a recovery day

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and then the Tigers face the Royals at Kauffman.

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And the unfortunate news is Jack Flaherty was

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good Jack Flaherty for two and two thirds innings

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today and with two outs. Bad Jack Flaherty appeared

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and allowed six runs. I'm snapping, so for those

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that can or cannot hear it, in the minute or

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second it takes to snap, in a blink of an eye,

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Jack Flaherty was in deep trouble, and he is

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one of the scheduled starters to face the Royals.

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Next weekend, we'll see which Flaherty we get.

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It seems the theme that we're working with here,

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and I've said this multiple times, I think you've

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alluded to it multiple times yourself on this

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show, is consistency. We just don't seem to get

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consistent production, or outcomes at least,

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from a good 80 % of this team. I mean, Dylan

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Dangler has been about the most consistent thing

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on this team all season long. And Tarek Scoogle.

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And Tarek Scoogle, correct. Exactly. And I know

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he's not always been consistently good, but at

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least Tyler Holton has been healthy enough. to

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pitch the innings that have been asked of him.

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And he's also been put in so many high leverage,

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terrible situations where he inherits runners

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and messes from guys like Jack Flaherty. Today.

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Or Casey Mize. Or others that are not even up

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with the big league ball part, or ball team at

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this point. A question for you, Montero, is he

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someone that we see back up? Sort of shocked

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we haven't seen him. Yeah. I mean, they did get

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the, so they got Charlie Morton and they got

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Paddock at the trade deadline. So that might

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have signaled that Kyder Montero was going to

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be staying down in the miners due to this. I

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don't know that I agree with that. I think Kyder

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Montero is a more effective starter than Paddock.

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And I almost wonder if he's as effective, or

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maybe a bit better than Flaherty at this point.

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I mean, Flaherty can have a lights -out game.

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We said in the last show that he, you know, wrote

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his magnum opus in this last series, and then

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he gets here, and he looks completely broken

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again today. It's like he has a great game, then

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he has a terrible game, and a great game, and

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a terrible game. And every time I see this stuff,

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I'm like, the consistency just isn't there. What

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will we get in the playoffs? Kyner Montero, not

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a solution to the consistency, but wondering

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if developing him in the short term is a better

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idea. Consistency though, I would say, you know,

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you're not going to get a ton of innings from

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them, but you know, you're not also going to

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get a ton of runs given up. True. I should be

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referencing this as consistent success. Consistent

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success would be. what we're looking for, you

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do get, you get kind of a consistent, middling

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effort from Kyder Montero, right? Like he doesn't

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throw a game away, but he doesn't exactly win

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it for you or anything. I, I don't know. What

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I am frustrated with is Flaherty at this point,

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because I can't figure out how a guy who went

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and had the game he had last week has this game

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today. That's, that's flustered. That's just

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frustrating. If I was a betting man, I would

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stay away from this guy with a football. Or did

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you just play the odds and say that next game

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he's back on? Or, probably, right? That's when

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you get stuck, but yeah. That's a head scratcher

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at this point. I'm probably not putting my money,

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I'm with you, I'm not putting my money there.

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I would take Montero in the chaos that would

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ensue with it more so than I would trust five

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innings of Flaherty at this point. Okay. So you

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you hope for some AJ hinge chaos in the postseason,

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right? I'm not saying I hope for a start, but

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we're talking Flaherty versus Montero. Gotcha.

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I would take two and two -thirds or three innings

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of Montero and then just let Holt and Hannah

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Fee, Vast Finnegan do their magic. I would prefer

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that to then sending out Flaherty getting not

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even two innings of Bad Jack or three innings

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of Bad Jack and then still having to use the

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bullpen but to no positive effect, meaning you've

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already dug yourself a hole. You're behind the

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eight ball because let's face it. If you go down

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six, one, you know, six runs to one in the playoffs.

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Sure. Odds aren't in your favor. We have an upcoming

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series against the athletics in the lovely town

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of Sacramento. It is going to be boiling hot

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doing the research. It does not appear that the

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athletics have all three pitchers set. the Tigers

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do appear to have their three pitchers set. And

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I just wanted to pick your brain on how you feel

00:24:00.589 --> 00:24:04.529
about these matchups. Tarek Schubel against...

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Oh, we do have somebody named Gin. And not Ted

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Gin Jr. It's JT Gin. Yeah. Gotta like scoops

00:24:11.869 --> 00:24:15.450
in that, right? Yes. I gotta like scoops in that.

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JT Gin's got a pretty, pretty high hard hit rate.

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I think he's probably somebody we can beat up

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a little bit. I don't think, I mean, all of his,

00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:31.799
all of his, uh, metrics are pretty bad outside

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of, he does have a pretty high K rate. So he

00:24:33.619 --> 00:24:36.619
does get some swing and miss, ground ball pitcher.

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Other than that, everything else is, I mean,

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people just barrel this guy up. It looks like

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a lot of power, a lot of, um, hard hit balls

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off of him. Do you feel, I get a little, I know

00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:51.880
that Scubal's got a pitch when his time's up

00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.309
in the, in the rotation. heading out west, we're

00:24:55.309 --> 00:24:56.670
going to get a little rest because it's like

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a nine o 'clock game tomorrow night, little off

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schedule. Do you worry about that at all for

00:25:01.329 --> 00:25:02.849
a pitcher? Do you think, hey, they're professionals,

00:25:02.869 --> 00:25:05.170
they deal with it? Yeah. I mean, I think everything's

00:25:05.170 --> 00:25:09.690
a concern. And what I think is super important

00:25:09.690 --> 00:25:12.609
is regardless of what happens tomorrow night,

00:25:13.089 --> 00:25:16.009
this is the final West coast road trip the Tigers

00:25:16.009 --> 00:25:19.230
have. And given that, yes, it's in Sacramento.

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I think it's going to be an awful ballpark to

00:25:21.910 --> 00:25:25.009
play in. It's a band box. It plays very small.

00:25:25.390 --> 00:25:27.950
The last time the Tigers had to do this, it didn't

00:25:27.950 --> 00:25:31.569
go real well against the Rays. I think the weather

00:25:31.569 --> 00:25:34.009
is going to be awful. I'm going to go to that

00:25:34.009 --> 00:25:37.490
in just a minute, but it was almost 110 in Portland

00:25:37.490 --> 00:25:40.109
today. Sacramento is basically on that same track

00:25:40.109 --> 00:25:42.910
in terms of how far inland it is. So I'm expecting

00:25:42.910 --> 00:25:44.970
it to be well over a hundred degrees. I think

00:25:44.970 --> 00:25:48.089
of. All the Tigers pitcher scoobles the best

00:25:48.089 --> 00:25:50.529
equipped for it. We have uncle Charlie in game

00:25:50.529 --> 00:25:53.529
two. And then in game three, we've got a three

00:25:53.529 --> 00:25:58.329
run Casey Mize against Luis Morales. And I, again,

00:25:58.910 --> 00:26:01.349
two wins would be exceptional. Just win one.

00:26:01.730 --> 00:26:06.700
I'm good. Sure. And the fact that Kaufman Stadium,

00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:08.680
which is in the Central Time Zone, it'll also

00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.220
be on Godley Hot probably in Kansas City because

00:26:11.220 --> 00:26:13.079
it usually gets hot there this time of year,

00:26:13.220 --> 00:26:15.700
is good for the Tigers as well because after

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that, they play the rest of the season in the

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Eastern Time Zone. They're 14 -7 for the month

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of August, 14 -8 if they lose today. Things are

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pointing in the right direction. They've righted

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the ship from the... pre and post All -Star break,

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malaise or malaise that they went through. Yeah.

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All signs are pointing up. I feel really, really

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good about this team. I don't like it when key

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pieces don't play. Hence today, we don't have

00:26:48.230 --> 00:26:50.789
Torres starting at second base. Keith isn't leading

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off. Both are getting a day of rest. And the

00:26:53.529 --> 00:26:56.789
lack of depth that the Tigers have still showcases

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at times. Do you think So I'm a little afraid

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of the A's series. I think we could get beat

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up a little bit by this team. You have some young

00:27:05.950 --> 00:27:09.190
ballplayers like Jacob Wilson, Nick Kurtz, Shay

00:27:09.190 --> 00:27:12.049
Lane Lear has been on fire lately. You want to

00:27:12.049 --> 00:27:14.029
talk about a catcher who hits. There could be

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some difficulty here. I think we can get to their

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pitching, but their hitters aren't going to be

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a pushover. I worry about the game two and three.

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Scubal will do what Scubal does, I think, regardless

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of start time. I know I mentioned it, but...

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You know, I'm expecting him to have a scubal

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game because that's what we expect these days.

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But those second two games, I get a little worried.

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Just having to travel the West Coast, I always

00:27:37.509 --> 00:27:39.170
feel like having to travel out there for these

00:27:39.170 --> 00:27:40.950
Midwest teams and East Coast teams is like going

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out to the Bermuda Triangle a little bit. Don't

00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:46.519
know where they're staying, but there's one real

00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:50.319
nice Hilton property. I believe in downtown Sacramento

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It's right across from the state capital and

00:27:52.380 --> 00:27:54.339
it's where we used to always stay for business

00:27:54.339 --> 00:27:57.880
meetings My story has a point the only time I've

00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.539
met the Detroit Pistons as a team was in the

00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:04.000
lobby of this Hilton property and it was always

00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.319
hold a special place in your heart the go -to

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-work Pistons and I will say tall people have

00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.700
never really intimidated me or I've never been

00:28:12.700 --> 00:28:16.980
in of anybody that's tall. Rashid Wallace might

00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:20.019
have the longest legs I've ever seen in a human

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being. And I was speechless upon meeting him.

00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.940
Just speechless. Just dumbstruck. Couldn't say

00:28:27.940 --> 00:28:30.539
a word. Thank God Chauncey Billups bailed me

00:28:30.539 --> 00:28:35.299
out and said, I take it you're a big fan. Thanks,

00:28:35.380 --> 00:28:37.539
Chauncey. You had a moment in the Sacramento

00:28:37.539 --> 00:28:40.400
Hilton, it sounds like. I did. A moment of fandom.

00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.890
Just speechless. On that, we will let you Tiger

00:28:44.890 --> 00:28:48.269
fans go. Expect on our sister podcast once the

00:28:48.269 --> 00:28:51.190
53 -man roster is announced for the Lions, an

00:28:51.190 --> 00:28:54.849
update there. We will update you on how the preseason

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finished out. And let's go Tigers. Let's get

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this West Coast swing done and get back home.

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Stay in the Eastern time zone and get to the

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playoffs healthy. All right, that's gonna do

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it for this episode of the Litterbox, a Detroit

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Tigers podcast. Thanks for hanging out with us.

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We're Bill and Chet. We'll be back soon with

00:29:20.589 --> 00:29:23.430
more Tigers Talk. If you're enjoying the show,

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