WEBVTT 00:00:06.060 --> 00:00:11.880 This is The Litterbox, a Detroit Lions podcast 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:15.359 with your hosts, Chad West and Bill Patterson. 00:00:18.700 --> 00:00:21.920 Happy New Year Detroit Lions litter box listeners. 00:00:22.059 --> 00:00:25.199 We are here going into the final week of the 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:28.379 season week 18 with the Lions traveling to the 00:00:28.379 --> 00:00:31.320 hallowed ground of Soldier Field to play the 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:33.759 Ben Johnson led Chicago Bears who are currently 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:36.460 sitting as the number two seed in the NFC for 00:00:36.460 --> 00:00:38.820 the playoffs listeners I know you're aware that 00:00:38.820 --> 00:00:41.539 our Lions are officially eliminated and ending 00:00:41.539 --> 00:00:44.659 the season with kind of a thud if you would so 00:00:44.659 --> 00:00:48.070 chat Happy New Year's. It's good to see you How 00:00:48.070 --> 00:00:51.590 are you? I'm 6. Great. And I've got a question 00:00:51.590 --> 00:00:53.890 for you. It's kind of like a holiday gift or 00:00:53.890 --> 00:00:57.030 a wish list. What's a realistic wish list for 00:00:57.030 --> 00:01:00.369 you for your Detroit Lions this offseason? Let's 00:01:00.369 --> 00:01:03.869 see. A mobile quarterback who throws dimes 50 00:01:03.869 --> 00:01:06.250 yards down the field. An offensive line that's 00:01:06.250 --> 00:01:08.629 in the top five in the league. A defensive line 00:01:08.629 --> 00:01:11.230 that's in the top five in the league. Incredibly, 00:01:11.349 --> 00:01:13.670 two incredible lockdown corners. Wouldn't you 00:01:13.670 --> 00:01:16.549 want me to stop, Bill? We need so many things. 00:01:16.829 --> 00:01:20.370 at this point in time. My wish list is in the 00:01:20.370 --> 00:01:23.310 trenches at the moment. I don't think it's going 00:01:23.310 --> 00:01:26.790 to be realistic for us to upgrade everything 00:01:26.790 --> 00:01:31.049 in front of us. I want number one because this 00:01:31.049 --> 00:01:35.109 team can have a fun offense and has great offensive 00:01:35.109 --> 00:01:38.329 players with ability. I want an offensive line. 00:01:38.530 --> 00:01:40.969 We need to figure out the offensive line. If 00:01:40.969 --> 00:01:43.739 we don't, Think we're just gonna replay next 00:01:43.739 --> 00:01:46.620 this season next season all over again and maybe 00:01:46.620 --> 00:01:49.760 have a 500 schedule Maybe we get a wild card 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.219 and we lose in the first round Your thoughts 00:01:53.219 --> 00:01:56.560 I agree with everything you're saying hence why 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.040 I included the word realistic But I appreciated 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.019 your tongue -in -cheek answer. That was good 00:02:01.019 --> 00:02:05.379 mine would be as follows Number one, agree with 00:02:05.379 --> 00:02:08.080 you 100 % on the trenches. I don't think Frank 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:10.599 Ragnow's a realistic answer at center, so I'm 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:13.639 not excited by that at all. I really, really 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:15.280 like... He's not coming back though, I don't 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:17.400 think. I think they've determined that this was 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.039 just a flash to get him back this year, but I 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:22.259 think he's done. Goff made mention that he doesn't 00:02:22.259 --> 00:02:24.419 see it as being realistic for him to come back. 00:02:24.699 --> 00:02:26.819 Jared said it in this week's presser and last 00:02:26.819 --> 00:02:29.180 week's presser that he talks to Frank all the 00:02:29.180 --> 00:02:32.889 time and that he doesn't see it. Okay. So a center, 00:02:33.250 --> 00:02:35.949 that's number one. Number two, another edge rusher 00:02:35.949 --> 00:02:39.110 to compliment Aiden Hutchinson. And then we need 00:02:39.110 --> 00:02:42.669 guard help or tackle help, depending on how and 00:02:42.669 --> 00:02:45.949 whom retires. Everything I'm hearing right now, 00:02:46.069 --> 00:02:48.289 and I'm sure what you're hearing as well. Thank 00:02:48.289 --> 00:02:52.289 you, Dave Burkett. Thank you, 97 .1. The ticket 00:02:52.289 --> 00:02:56.000 is saying that Graham Glasgow and Taylor Decker 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.539 are gonna retire. So questions abound like do 00:02:59.539 --> 00:03:01.800 you move Penae Sewell from the right side to 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:05.840 the left side? Is Giovanni Manu ready to man 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:09.080 one of the tackle spots? Are you comfortable 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:13.439 going in with Tate Ratledge and a Christian Mahogany 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.900 or is it a Miles Frazier Tate Ratledge? You know, 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:19.139 there's a center I really like from the University 00:03:19.139 --> 00:03:21.599 of Iowa whose name eludes me right now I would 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.340 be intrigued with him is is a first -round pick 00:03:24.900 --> 00:03:27.259 Also going back to your mobile quarterback that 00:03:27.259 --> 00:03:29.520 throws dimes. It's supposed to be a deep quarterback 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:31.960 class I know you aren't particularly in love 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:36.060 with anybody just nothing like that. Oh Nothing 00:03:36.060 --> 00:03:38.039 along the lines of this being a deep quarterback 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:42.080 class. Maybe I'm wrong It's supposed to it's 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.520 supposed to be not top -heavy like it's supposed 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:47.340 to be like the bone next draft class Like, just 00:03:47.340 --> 00:03:50.879 lots of pieces throughout. Okay. And I would 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.580 not mind the Lions taking a page from the Packers 00:03:53.580 --> 00:03:55.620 playbook and drafting Jared Goff's replacement. 00:03:55.979 --> 00:03:58.580 The biggest thing that I don't want is Goff being 00:03:58.580 --> 00:04:01.080 extended, regardless of his cap hit for this 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:03.900 year. I do not want to be married to Jared Goff 00:04:03.900 --> 00:04:06.560 for the next four or five seasons, Chet. I am 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.599 not entertained by that at all. I think that 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.500 will... Quite frankly set the franchise back 00:04:12.500 --> 00:04:15.939 and not put them on track to achieve the ultimate 00:04:15.939 --> 00:04:18.399 goal, which is winning a Super Bowl I am still 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.740 in the market for a big boy offensive coordinator 00:04:21.740 --> 00:04:25.439 You know Johnny Moe is not the answer and I personally 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.019 think Kelvin Shepherd, you know first half of 00:04:28.019 --> 00:04:30.439 the season He probably got like what a B plus 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.810 a minus second half of the season I mean, he 00:04:33.810 --> 00:04:36.569 was flummoxed by just about everybody that was 00:04:36.569 --> 00:04:38.709 a decent offensive coordinator. Arthur Smith 00:04:38.709 --> 00:04:41.310 made him look silly. I expect Ben Johnson to 00:04:41.310 --> 00:04:44.430 make him look silly this week. His front seven's 00:04:44.430 --> 00:04:47.709 been healthy. Apparently, Eileen McNeil is dealing 00:04:47.709 --> 00:04:50.810 with an abdomen injury this week, but that's 00:04:50.810 --> 00:04:52.310 the first we've seen of it. I mean, people are 00:04:52.310 --> 00:04:55.389 going to get dinged, right? Yeah. So I've got 00:04:55.389 --> 00:04:57.269 a couple names for you that are very intriguing 00:04:57.269 --> 00:05:00.370 to me. One would be down in Tampa Bay, Todd Bowles. 00:05:00.620 --> 00:05:03.620 If the Buccaneers lose to the Panthers tomorrow 00:05:03.620 --> 00:05:06.160 and miss the playoffs, apparently he is on the 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.579 hot seat. This is an organization that has let 00:05:08.579 --> 00:05:10.879 some talented coaches go. The head coach of the 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:13.360 Panthers, Dave Canales and Liam Cohen, your head 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.560 coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. I would love 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:17.759 Todd Bowles as a defensive coordinator, not head 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.500 coach. A hundred percent. I don't know what connection 00:05:20.500 --> 00:05:23.759 he has to Dan and company, to Holmes and Dan 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:27.779 and whatnot. They seem to hire from within their 00:05:27.779 --> 00:05:32.399 group of people. Like, have we seen them go outside 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:36.339 of this, this, um, whirlpool of people they've 00:05:36.339 --> 00:05:38.139 surrounded themselves with over the last decade 00:05:38.139 --> 00:05:39.939 and they're in the business? No, but they're 00:05:39.939 --> 00:05:41.860 going to have to. They're going to have to eventually, 00:05:42.100 --> 00:05:43.920 right? They're going to have to reach out. Another 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:47.920 name for you is close to home, but he is a unrestricted 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.279 free agent or not, you know, he doesn't have 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.540 a contract in place after this weekend is Brian 00:05:53.540 --> 00:05:55.980 Flores. I would love him. My word. I don't know 00:05:55.980 --> 00:05:59.519 how you're going to get him. There's no way the 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.819 Vikings are gonna make his money. I mean, I'll 00:06:02.819 --> 00:06:04.199 take him that would be incredible I don't think 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:06.019 the Vikings are letting him go. He neither doing 00:06:06.019 --> 00:06:08.600 for that Yeah, but but obviously that's a Christmas 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:10.100 present that you and I would both love under 00:06:10.100 --> 00:06:12.980 the tree goodness Another name for you is in 00:06:12.980 --> 00:06:15.339 and we don't know what's gonna happen with Kevin 00:06:15.339 --> 00:06:18.120 Stefanski and his staff in Cleveland But Jim 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.600 Schwartz has done a really good job with Cleveland's 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:22.939 defense It's the offense that's been the problem 00:06:22.939 --> 00:06:25.939 for the Browns. Could there be a homecoming for 00:06:25.939 --> 00:06:28.420 one Jim Schwartz? I'd be happy having him lead 00:06:28.420 --> 00:06:32.620 our defense. I would not kick Jim Schwartz out 00:06:32.620 --> 00:06:35.540 of the running. I like Jim Schwartz. I'm fine 00:06:35.540 --> 00:06:38.839 with Jim. I liked his fire and I think his fire 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:42.279 would, in an interesting way, I think his fire 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:46.160 would match that of Dan's or complement it well. 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:48.899 Do you know where I'm going with that? Hundred 00:06:48.899 --> 00:06:51.959 percent. I think I think they could be a really 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:55.079 good tandem on the sideline of those three names 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.139 quite frankly the one I like the least is probably 00:06:57.139 --> 00:07:01.480 Todd Bowles however, which is Lovely. Yeah, I 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.980 mean I would take any one of those three and 00:07:04.980 --> 00:07:07.199 be a static with it Nothing against you Kelvin 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:09.519 Shepherd, but I think it proved that the job 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.199 was probably a little too big for you and Dan 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.360 This year, losing both coordinators really needed 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.939 strong lieutenants or offensive coordinator, 00:07:18.139 --> 00:07:21.500 defensive coordinator, and he just didn't seem 00:07:21.500 --> 00:07:24.000 to get that this year. I think the problem that 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:26.720 we're going to come up against here is there's 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:29.439 a wealth of, obviously, there's a wealth of options 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.100 here for defensive coordinator, interesting options, 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.579 good, intriguing options coming up for this season. 00:07:36.180 --> 00:07:38.519 But I could see of all the coaches, I could see 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.759 Kelvin retaining his job for another year. Because 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:45.439 they have to get an OC, right? So let's move 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:47.779 over. I know they haven't guaranteed Kelvin. 00:07:47.939 --> 00:07:49.699 I know they've said Kelvin could be got like 00:07:49.699 --> 00:07:52.500 they're he's not safe by any means. I'm just 00:07:52.500 --> 00:07:55.819 looking at, you know, the level, the need, the 00:07:55.819 --> 00:07:59.600 stack of needs here all of a sudden and keeping 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:03.040 him just to keep a D coordinator around like 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:06.519 just to not have to fill that spot. seems like 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:09.120 a path of least resistance going into the next 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:11.000 season, so they can concentrate on other stuff. 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:13.579 Unfortunately, that's where all the resources 00:08:13.579 --> 00:08:16.060 are right now. They're all out there. Talk about 00:08:16.060 --> 00:08:18.500 offensive coordinators. Do you have any names 00:08:18.500 --> 00:08:21.279 that you like? This is the problem with OCs. 00:08:22.300 --> 00:08:25.839 You just rattled off three DCs, right? And they're 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:28.259 all coming up with the end of a contract, possibly 00:08:28.259 --> 00:08:31.079 gonna be out in the market. I don't know a single 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:34.230 offensive coordinator that is of that ilk. That 00:08:34.230 --> 00:08:35.789 is going to be out there looking. Who do you 00:08:35.789 --> 00:08:38.169 have your mind on? Well, I'm just going to give 00:08:38.169 --> 00:08:40.190 you the top of the list, but neither of these 00:08:40.190 --> 00:08:43.370 guys both could come back. And I agree that this 00:08:43.370 --> 00:08:46.429 list is not nearly as sexy or appeasing. It's 00:08:46.429 --> 00:08:48.649 not. That's the problem. This is what we need, 00:08:48.809 --> 00:08:50.730 but the choices aren't great. I mean, number 00:08:50.730 --> 00:08:52.710 one would be Mike McDaniel from Miami. Sure. 00:08:52.850 --> 00:08:55.289 We've talked about this also. Yeah. I love that. 00:08:55.889 --> 00:08:57.830 Yeah. Two, we've talked about this gentleman 00:08:57.830 --> 00:09:00.649 as well. If for some reason the Steelers finally 00:09:00.649 --> 00:09:03.169 decide to make wholesale changes, Arthur Smith, 00:09:03.350 --> 00:09:05.649 I think would fit in very well. He loves to run 00:09:05.649 --> 00:09:08.669 the ball set up establish the run I think he'd 00:09:08.669 --> 00:09:11.029 work well with Dan again a former head coach 00:09:11.029 --> 00:09:12.889 same with Mike McDaniel So I think you're gonna 00:09:12.889 --> 00:09:15.509 sense a theme here a name that doesn't appease 00:09:15.509 --> 00:09:17.549 me But we know he's available and we know he's 00:09:17.549 --> 00:09:20.129 probably gonna get hired somewhere good Brian 00:09:20.129 --> 00:09:23.490 Dayball I mean he worked wonders with Josh Allen 00:09:23.490 --> 00:09:26.389 Yeah, if the Lions did decide because they're 00:09:26.389 --> 00:09:30.230 gonna be drafting what like 13 14 this year to 00:09:30.230 --> 00:09:32.929 enter the quarterback pool I can't think of a 00:09:32.929 --> 00:09:37.129 better tutor for this next quarterback than that 00:09:37.129 --> 00:09:39.950 of one Brian Dayball. Do you have any other names 00:09:39.950 --> 00:09:41.549 that are jumping out to you? I don't. I don't. 00:09:41.690 --> 00:09:44.049 And those are that McDaniel was my number one. 00:09:44.090 --> 00:09:46.950 He's been my number one choice from the word 00:09:46.950 --> 00:09:50.350 go. And I think Dayball is an interesting addition 00:09:50.350 --> 00:09:53.750 to this list. I don't know that, like you said. 00:09:54.169 --> 00:09:56.710 I don't think any of these guys are nearly as 00:09:56.710 --> 00:09:58.769 sexy as the D coordinator options that could 00:09:58.769 --> 00:10:01.429 be out there for us, which is unfortunately we 00:10:01.429 --> 00:10:05.429 need the OC that bad. It's just. Yeah. But wasn't 00:10:05.429 --> 00:10:07.970 last year's, if you think about it, the offensive 00:10:07.970 --> 00:10:10.149 coordinators that went on to become head coaches 00:10:10.149 --> 00:10:13.269 last off season, Liam Cohen mentioned him again, 00:10:13.529 --> 00:10:15.750 Jacksonville Jaguars, Ben Johnson, Chicago Bears. 00:10:16.330 --> 00:10:19.929 I mean, they're really doing fantastic things. 00:10:20.029 --> 00:10:21.950 I mean, those are two potential division winners. 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:25.100 You know, we could also talk about, I mean, a 00:10:25.100 --> 00:10:27.279 team that's often overlooked, the New Orleans 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:29.100 Saints and Kellen Moore. I think they've won 00:10:29.100 --> 00:10:31.100 five straight. Kellen Moore was always going 00:10:31.100 --> 00:10:33.460 to be an all -star, right? Yeah. Like the second 00:10:33.460 --> 00:10:36.399 that he left the Lions, I was like, we just lost 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:39.039 one of the best future coaches from our ranks. 00:10:39.139 --> 00:10:40.990 And I know that was years ago. Don't get me wrong. 00:10:41.110 --> 00:10:43.330 It was a long, long time ago. He spent time in 00:10:43.330 --> 00:10:46.389 the NFC. He's been all over the place, right? 00:10:46.730 --> 00:10:48.809 But he's learned from some of the best. It's 00:10:48.809 --> 00:10:51.509 been everybody looked at him and was like, Kelly 00:10:51.509 --> 00:10:54.710 Moore is going to be a guy. I would take a Mike 00:10:54.710 --> 00:10:57.730 McDaniel. I would take a day ball. I would take 00:10:57.730 --> 00:11:01.049 Arthur Smith. I think any one of those three 00:11:01.049 --> 00:11:02.789 would be better than what we currently have going 00:11:02.789 --> 00:11:06.809 on. But I think Arthur Smith would be my choice 00:11:06.809 --> 00:11:08.759 of those three. I don't think Mike McDaniels 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:11.340 is going to fit with Dan. And I think Arthur 00:11:11.340 --> 00:11:13.139 Smith is the guy if you're going to get somebody. 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.159 But again, is the question mark is even going 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.559 to be available? Yeah, we don't know. And it's 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:20.019 not as clear cut as the D guys. Do you think 00:11:20.019 --> 00:11:23.799 the Steelers Ravens tilt Sunday night winner 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:26.279 take division? Do you think either of those teams 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:29.600 might the loser might see some wholesale changes? 00:11:29.700 --> 00:11:33.360 It's hard to say because the Ravens with Harbaugh 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:36.580 like that, they just had kind of a rough season. 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.259 I mean, Lamar was injured for a little bit of 00:11:39.259 --> 00:11:42.620 it. They had some defensive guys missing. They're 00:11:42.620 --> 00:11:44.600 kind of like the Lions. They suffered injuries 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:48.580 and they saw the feedback from those injuries 00:11:48.580 --> 00:11:52.399 earlier in the year. Whereas the Lions saw it 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:56.899 later in the year. I think the Steelers, I mean, 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:59.580 what are they doing? Here's a classic example 00:11:59.580 --> 00:12:02.080 of the Steelers going through the quarterback 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.039 carousel. Right? Like they had to find a quarterback. 00:12:05.179 --> 00:12:06.720 They went through Russell Wilson. That didn't 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:09.919 work out. They had Pickett. Hands were too small. 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:12.059 They had, I mean, you go through the whole group 00:12:12.059 --> 00:12:14.919 and you get down to, they signed old man Rogers 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:17.679 for a season. And Rogers did pretty well. Philip 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:19.340 Rivers might be their quarterback next year for 00:12:19.340 --> 00:12:23.059 all we know. I have no idea, but it does lend. 00:12:23.259 --> 00:12:26.139 You watch Rogers have some success there, even 00:12:26.139 --> 00:12:28.539 after they lose Pickens, who was their best receiver. 00:12:28.620 --> 00:12:32.059 And you watch, you watch Rivers. have some success 00:12:32.059 --> 00:12:34.519 in Indianapolis. Granted, I couldn't even believe 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:36.720 what I was watching half the time, but the guy 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.240 can still throw a ball and find a receiver. And 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:43.340 you start to realize that that experience at 00:12:43.340 --> 00:12:45.419 the quarterback position becomes more and more 00:12:45.419 --> 00:12:47.620 and more valuable as the years pass on. You know 00:12:47.620 --> 00:12:49.980 where I'm going with this. Like Jared Goff, can 00:12:49.980 --> 00:12:52.059 he become more and more and more and more valuable 00:12:52.059 --> 00:12:54.820 as the years go on? At any rate, I'm getting 00:12:54.820 --> 00:12:56.940 off the off course here. We're talking about 00:12:56.940 --> 00:12:59.299 coaches. I just don't know where the Steelers 00:12:59.299 --> 00:13:00.799 are headed. And I don't know if they're going 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:02.740 to get rid of an Arthur Smith at this point. 00:13:03.100 --> 00:13:05.419 That's OK. The last name. The reality. I just 00:13:05.419 --> 00:13:07.679 don't see a realistic group of OCs out there 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:09.440 that are available. Last name. Let's say the 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.179 Ravens do make wholesale changes. Does Todd Munkin, 00:13:13.340 --> 00:13:15.279 the offensive coordinator, the Ravens do and 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:17.340 I see where you're going with this now. Again, 00:13:17.700 --> 00:13:20.320 better than where we are. I'm not sure who we 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:25.100 get, who they dig up out of the ether to fill 00:13:25.100 --> 00:13:27.799 this role. I mean, there's nobody else out there 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:30.759 I can think of. So, yeah, it could be a Todd 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:32.740 Monk and it could be somebody that, you know, 00:13:33.059 --> 00:13:35.419 a team that just decides we're gutting everything, 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:37.000 we're starting over and we're going to throw 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.240 these people out there into the free agent market. 00:13:39.659 --> 00:13:42.299 I don't know. I don't have answers at OC, which 00:13:42.299 --> 00:13:45.100 is what scares me most for this offseason. I 00:13:45.100 --> 00:13:47.500 just don't see clean answers there. The defensive 00:13:47.500 --> 00:13:50.000 coordinator stuff I see, but we're also closer 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:53.519 to keeping Kelvin Shepherd than we are John Morton. 00:13:53.620 --> 00:13:56.350 So. Wheels within wheels. A lot of conundrums 00:13:56.350 --> 00:13:58.230 here. There's just a lot to really pick over 00:13:58.230 --> 00:14:01.110 there. I don't, I hate, I hate having to shop 00:14:01.110 --> 00:14:04.289 for coordinators because I do feel like sometimes 00:14:04.289 --> 00:14:06.909 a little bit of it is like you're, you're either 00:14:06.909 --> 00:14:09.450 getting a guy who was a head coach that got fired 00:14:09.450 --> 00:14:12.649 at Dable. Let's just take a guy like Dable, right? 00:14:13.230 --> 00:14:15.590 You're getting a guy like him that was had his 00:14:15.590 --> 00:14:18.029 shot at head coach and didn't work out, leaves, 00:14:18.110 --> 00:14:21.409 goes back to being an OC, finds that magic again. 00:14:21.409 --> 00:14:23.350 And I have no doubt that could possibly happen 00:14:23.350 --> 00:14:26.909 with Dable. Okay. And I feel, I do feel like 00:14:26.909 --> 00:14:29.210 he could do some stuff with golf. I feel like 00:14:29.210 --> 00:14:32.389 he could work with him, but the rest of these 00:14:32.389 --> 00:14:34.110 guys, like you're going to bring some young buck 00:14:34.110 --> 00:14:37.129 up. I mean, I don't know. I, who do you bring 00:14:37.129 --> 00:14:39.629 up in that case? Do you go try and take, uh, 00:14:39.649 --> 00:14:41.769 do you go try to take somebody from, you know, 00:14:41.889 --> 00:14:45.350 somebody else's staff? That's a QB coach or an 00:14:45.350 --> 00:14:47.870 assistant OC type deal. I mean, if you go get, 00:14:48.110 --> 00:14:50.690 you're going to go to the Shanahan or McVay tree. 00:14:50.809 --> 00:14:53.429 Yeah. That's what you're gonna have to go grab 00:14:53.429 --> 00:14:55.769 potentially hung up and come though Liam Cohen 00:14:55.769 --> 00:14:58.629 tree potentially the Kellen Moore tree Knowing 00:14:58.629 --> 00:15:00.909 knowing that the person's never called plays 00:15:00.909 --> 00:15:03.590 because all those guys call their own plays Yep, 00:15:03.929 --> 00:15:06.269 therein lies the weakness I can tell you two 00:15:06.269 --> 00:15:09.590 names that do not intrigue me whatsoever. Okay, 00:15:10.190 --> 00:15:12.590 Matt Nagy from the Chiefs never called plays 00:15:12.590 --> 00:15:15.250 He was a complete and total bust with the Bears. 00:15:15.250 --> 00:15:20.409 Yep, and then the second one This is a little 00:15:20.409 --> 00:15:23.889 bit intriguing. Just... No, you know, I'm gonna 00:15:23.889 --> 00:15:25.529 leave the list at Matt Nagy. He's really the 00:15:25.529 --> 00:15:27.350 only one that I'm just not. Just leave it on 00:15:27.350 --> 00:15:29.710 that negative note that nobody wants Matt Nagy. 00:15:29.710 --> 00:15:33.029 No. No, he's not a... That's a guy who keeps 00:15:33.029 --> 00:15:35.629 a seat warm. He's like John Morton. Keeps a seat 00:15:35.629 --> 00:15:38.009 warm. Exactly. I don't know. Alright, real quick. 00:15:38.129 --> 00:15:39.990 I'm gonna talk about Jared Goff's press conference 00:15:39.990 --> 00:15:41.990 and then I'm gonna dive into injury reports. 00:15:42.210 --> 00:15:44.720 Okay. Excuse me, Dan Campbell's press conference 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:47.519 regarding Jared Goff. He said he's a stud. We 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:50.179 love him. We love this guy. He's a winner. Do 00:15:50.179 --> 00:15:52.179 you take it the same way a lot of the talking 00:15:52.179 --> 00:15:54.620 heads did that the Lions are going to extend 00:15:54.620 --> 00:15:58.159 Jared Goff now? I think they will restructure. 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.620 I think they'll extend and restructure. They 00:16:00.620 --> 00:16:03.320 can't have that $70 million cap it next year. 00:16:03.889 --> 00:16:06.909 Golf so they're gonna restructure his deal which 00:16:06.909 --> 00:16:08.889 will mean committing to him for a couple of years 00:16:08.889 --> 00:16:10.769 Which I don't think is the worst thing. I'm not 00:16:10.769 --> 00:16:12.450 gonna lie to you. You don't like it. I don't 00:16:12.450 --> 00:16:14.750 like it It's the worst thing. Well, let me ask 00:16:14.750 --> 00:16:16.789 you this. Let's suppose you go draft a quarterback 00:16:16.789 --> 00:16:19.210 this year Okay, let's just suppose you do who's 00:16:19.210 --> 00:16:22.350 out on your top of your list. I Mean, obviously 00:16:22.350 --> 00:16:26.289 Mendoza is friggin amazing Diego Pavia is amazing 00:16:26.289 --> 00:16:29.730 in terms of offering, you know dual threat on 00:16:29.730 --> 00:16:32.460 that I mean, I love You hear he's going back 00:16:32.460 --> 00:16:34.980 to school, but Lenora Sellers from South Carolina 00:16:34.980 --> 00:16:37.480 intrigues me. Here's the thing, Chet. I don't 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:39.879 want to be the last of the Mohicans, and that's 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:41.700 what's going to happen to the Lions with golf. 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:44.799 If we have four more years of a stationary quarterback 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.559 that has absolutely positively no mobility when 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:50.000 the pocket collapses, you are doing something 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.240 that the rest of the NFL isn't doing. And so 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:54.879 therefore you're having to place more importance 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.779 on your offensive line, more importance on your 00:16:57.779 --> 00:17:00.639 runner game than any other pocket passer means. 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:03.700 But you do realize, like you brought Mendoza, 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:05.819 he's a pocket passer, Bill. He's slow. He's not 00:17:05.819 --> 00:17:09.180 a runner. He's not a runner. He's slow with average 00:17:09.180 --> 00:17:12.019 arm strength is his scouting report. A, he won't 00:17:12.019 --> 00:17:13.940 be available so we don't have to worry about 00:17:13.940 --> 00:17:16.859 it. B, his foot speed's a lot better than Jared 00:17:16.859 --> 00:17:19.259 Goff's. I mean, I'd argue anybody right now in 00:17:19.259 --> 00:17:21.759 the NFL save Aaron Rodgers' foot speed is better 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:24.460 than... than Jared Goss. I think one of the problem 00:17:24.460 --> 00:17:26.319 is a lot of the guys that are coming out in this 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.319 draft, Mendoza, Dante Moore, Garrett Nussmeyer. 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:31.299 Let's just take those three guys. I love Dante 00:17:31.299 --> 00:17:34.140 Moore. You like Dante Moore. Again, he's a pocket 00:17:34.140 --> 00:17:38.259 passer. Better at vertical throwing than Mendoza. 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:40.539 He's better deep down the field. He's got a strong 00:17:40.539 --> 00:17:44.000 arm, very accurate, but he's a little thin. OK, 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.500 he's young. He's very young. He's only a sophomore. 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:50.279 He's a slower runner. All right, so he's not 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:53.779 as quick. As you would, I look at Oregon quarterbacks 00:17:53.779 --> 00:17:55.680 and I guess Oregon quarterbacks have made me 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:57.480 feel like they're they're a little more mobile, 00:17:57.980 --> 00:18:00.319 the bone knicks route, that type of thing. And 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:02.380 he lacks a little consistency on short passing. 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:05.319 So you're looking at another pocket passer. So 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:07.920 you've got two pocket passers in Mendoza and 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:10.400 Moore. I think Moore is probably coming out this 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:12.420 year from what I understand. And then you got 00:18:12.420 --> 00:18:15.180 Garrett Nussmeyer from LSU. Also, he's supposedly 00:18:15.180 --> 00:18:18.710 the best of the pure passers. in the group but 00:18:18.710 --> 00:18:22.470 again another slower guy that's not a very mobile 00:18:22.470 --> 00:18:25.710 quarterback so now you're down when you get down 00:18:25.710 --> 00:18:28.769 into the rest of the group look at a guy late 00:18:28.769 --> 00:18:31.069 round guy right like a project like Carson Beck 00:18:31.069 --> 00:18:34.990 he's Jared Goff 2 .0 he's a slow pocket passer 00:18:34.990 --> 00:18:38.670 who can place a good ball okay inconsistent deep 00:18:38.670 --> 00:18:41.750 though and then you're looking at Pavia and Aller 00:18:41.750 --> 00:18:47.150 all right like Pavia is I feel like he's a system 00:18:47.150 --> 00:18:49.710 quarterback. Like there's a system thing there. 00:18:49.789 --> 00:18:51.869 I don't see him being a good NFL quarterback. 00:18:51.970 --> 00:18:55.769 Just put it where it is. You can say he is, but 00:18:55.769 --> 00:18:58.769 I just don't see a quarterback class coming out 00:18:58.769 --> 00:19:02.589 here who can really help us. You'd go with like 00:19:02.589 --> 00:19:06.690 Mateer from Oklahoma. All right. He's fast. He's 00:19:06.690 --> 00:19:09.450 quicker, moves a little quicker, but he's also 00:19:09.450 --> 00:19:13.039 short. He's not that big. You're looking at more 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:16.740 of like a maybe a bow nexus type guy in him But 00:19:16.740 --> 00:19:19.000 I don't I just am not sold on these guys come 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:21.140 on the draft So that leaves you with what it 00:19:21.140 --> 00:19:23.220 leaves you with Kyler Murray. How do you feel 00:19:23.220 --> 00:19:25.900 about Kyler Murray and Jacoby Brissett? You think 00:19:25.900 --> 00:19:29.039 they can do any like Kyler is basically forgotten 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:32.359 in Cardinal land I would much prefer Mac Jones 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:35.539 to either of them. Okay. Okay Mac Jones not a 00:19:35.539 --> 00:19:37.880 bad option I'll tell you what if you can get 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:41.990 a Mac Jones, maybe I just don't know Again, we 00:19:41.990 --> 00:19:44.349 go back to this, like, what do you need and how 00:19:44.349 --> 00:19:47.309 bad do you need it? If they can extend golf for, 00:19:47.309 --> 00:19:49.329 you know, get another season or two out of him, 00:19:49.529 --> 00:19:51.829 I could see them going that route and restructuring 00:19:51.829 --> 00:19:53.849 his whole deal. That's what I think is probably 00:19:53.849 --> 00:19:55.809 going to happen. So let's go to the injury report 00:19:55.809 --> 00:19:57.589 and I'll tell you why I'm concerned with all 00:19:57.589 --> 00:20:00.029 of this. Yep. Yep. All right. Tristan Colon. 00:20:00.789 --> 00:20:04.309 Yeah. Wrist didn't practice. Ely McNeil abdomen 00:20:04.309 --> 00:20:06.829 didn't practice. I'm going to stay with the offensive 00:20:06.829 --> 00:20:10.109 line. Penne Sewell ankle didn't practice. Well, 00:20:10.210 --> 00:20:13.349 Coyote Awasika, illness, didn't practice. Taylor 00:20:13.349 --> 00:20:16.029 Decker, shoulder and the same illness, didn't 00:20:16.029 --> 00:20:19.450 practice. Christian Mahogany, illness, limited 00:20:19.450 --> 00:20:23.289 practice. Giovanni Manu, knee, limited practice. 00:20:23.910 --> 00:20:26.549 And then rounding it out, let's go back to the 00:20:26.549 --> 00:20:29.529 secondary. Avante Maddox is banged up. He's dealing 00:20:29.529 --> 00:20:32.369 with the back and same illness. I'm in raw st. 00:20:32.549 --> 00:20:34.670 Brown knee and ankle still dealing with that 00:20:34.670 --> 00:20:38.069 Thomas Harper concussion protocol same with Alex 00:20:38.069 --> 00:20:40.089 and Zaloni I wouldn't expect either of them to 00:20:40.089 --> 00:20:43.089 play so again, it's not so much the injuries 00:20:43.089 --> 00:20:45.789 this year Chad It's the fact that not only is 00:20:45.789 --> 00:20:48.650 your starting offensive line dinged up It's your 00:20:48.650 --> 00:20:51.349 second string and now third string players that 00:20:51.349 --> 00:20:54.529 are dinged up And so in a game where the weather 00:20:54.529 --> 00:20:57.829 is calling for a high of 26 a low of 18 probably 00:20:57.829 --> 00:21:00.690 cloudy As the Bears like to say, Chicago Bear 00:21:00.690 --> 00:21:03.630 Weather, he who establishes the running game 00:21:03.630 --> 00:21:06.470 more successfully is going to win said game. 00:21:06.970 --> 00:21:10.309 With that offensive line and the injury report 00:21:10.309 --> 00:21:13.470 we just saw, I am a little dubious. They're dinged 00:21:13.470 --> 00:21:15.690 up. On the fact that the Lions will be able to 00:21:15.690 --> 00:21:19.250 establish the run. Your guy, Jared Goff. You 00:21:19.250 --> 00:21:21.190 know how I feel about him in the weather. All 00:21:21.190 --> 00:21:24.349 right, I get you. The gloves on. And here's my 00:21:24.349 --> 00:21:26.190 part about why I don't want to extend him is. 00:21:26.329 --> 00:21:28.609 A. He needs a really strong offensive line. B. 00:21:28.650 --> 00:21:31.269 He needs a running game. C. He needs indoor environment. 00:21:31.369 --> 00:21:32.970 The elements are rough for him. There's just 00:21:32.970 --> 00:21:36.430 too many ifs. And I am coming to the conclusion 00:21:36.430 --> 00:21:39.690 that I don't think that Jared Goff will win a 00:21:39.690 --> 00:21:42.269 Super Bowl in the NFL with the Lions or with 00:21:42.269 --> 00:21:43.670 any of us. Jared Goff needs to train in like 00:21:43.670 --> 00:21:47.170 the Arctic over the summer and get used to throwing 00:21:47.170 --> 00:21:50.309 in cold weather. He needs like a simulator or 00:21:50.309 --> 00:21:52.799 something like that to train in. So he can't 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:55.359 just step outside of Allen Park and do it? No. 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:57.059 At the outdoor field? Not in the summer. Not 00:21:57.059 --> 00:21:58.660 in the summertime. Okay, got it. It's got to 00:21:58.660 --> 00:22:01.200 be windy and cold, and it's got to replicate 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:04.220 what Green Bay and Chicago are going to be like 00:22:04.220 --> 00:22:06.819 in the winter months is what I want. All right, 00:22:06.819 --> 00:22:09.160 let's head over to the Bears. Jonah Jackson, 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:12.099 ex -lion, is dealing with the same illness that 00:22:12.099 --> 00:22:14.440 everybody's dealing with. He's a starting guard. 00:22:14.700 --> 00:22:18.059 Joe Tyron Shoyinka, backup defensive end, is 00:22:18.059 --> 00:22:20.000 dealing with a concussion. Don't expect him. 00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:23.039 Romadouzai is still dealing with a foot. He's 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:24.940 their stud wide receiver, former first round 00:22:24.940 --> 00:22:27.099 pick last year. I wouldn't expect to see him. 00:22:27.180 --> 00:22:29.079 Nick McLeod's dealing with the same illness. 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.940 He's a cornerback. I think he probably will play 00:22:31.940 --> 00:22:34.279 because he's been limited. Eze Trapillo, backup 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.200 offensive tackle, knee quad injury. He's limited. 00:22:37.299 --> 00:22:39.640 He'll play. Josh Blackwell, cornerback, dealing 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:42.779 with a bum shoulder, but he has been a full participant. 00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:45.619 Luther Burden, the third, this year's second 00:22:45.619 --> 00:22:48.599 round draft pick wide receiver stud. quad injury, 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:50.740 but he's been a full participant and same with 00:22:50.740 --> 00:22:53.599 Olamidi Zacharias, third wide receiver, slot 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:56.200 wide receiver. I expect him to go as well. So 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:58.660 I want to say, Chet, this is nine of the last 00:22:58.660 --> 00:23:02.319 10, the Lions go into a matchup in a game where 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:05.339 they are by far the more injured team. And I 00:23:05.339 --> 00:23:08.779 just, this does not bode well in any way, shape 00:23:08.779 --> 00:23:11.859 or form, I think for the outcome. Yep. The lion 00:23:11.859 --> 00:23:14.380 is only negative three bears. So the bears are 00:23:14.380 --> 00:23:17.539 favored by three, the over -under is 50 .5. So 00:23:17.690 --> 00:23:20.589 Vegas is expecting some fireworks and some shootout. 00:23:20.630 --> 00:23:22.930 I mentioned the weather, you know, the field's 00:23:22.930 --> 00:23:24.809 gonna be terrible, you know, footing's gonna 00:23:24.809 --> 00:23:27.809 be hard to get. I don't like that only McNeil's 00:23:27.809 --> 00:23:30.029 not playing. It would be a game that Williams, 00:23:30.170 --> 00:23:32.589 the rookie, you know, should be a run stuffer, 00:23:32.589 --> 00:23:36.970 but who knows if that's gonna happen. Yeah. Why 00:23:36.970 --> 00:23:38.730 don't you give us your fantasy outlook and then 00:23:38.730 --> 00:23:42.470 we'll do predictions. Mm -hmm. So, I have a couple 00:23:42.470 --> 00:23:45.160 concerns. Along the lines of our quarterbacks 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.779 in this game. It isn't supposed to be gusty But 00:23:47.779 --> 00:23:50.299 it will be a little breezy for this game cold 00:23:50.299 --> 00:23:53.079 and breezy is rough passing weather Everything 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:56.220 I have read about this game is and you look at 00:23:56.220 --> 00:23:58.180 the over -under at fifty and a half points There's 00:23:58.180 --> 00:24:00.460 gonna be some scoring everybody thinks there's 00:24:00.460 --> 00:24:02.859 gonna be about four to five touchdowns thrown 00:24:02.859 --> 00:24:07.359 in this game he from Caleb to from golf and I 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:10.099 just don't I don't know if I see that or not. 00:24:10.099 --> 00:24:11.299 And if they are, they're going to be shorter 00:24:11.299 --> 00:24:13.099 touchdowns. I think we're going to get any big 00:24:13.099 --> 00:24:15.500 explosives, as John Morton likes to call them. 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.440 I think you're going to see some running game 00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:21.420 stuff here. I think Swift might have a game as 00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:23.319 he is. He's not injured, right? He's healthy 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:25.079 at this. He's healthy from what I understand. 00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:27.400 Yeah. So he's I think he's going to have a pretty 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:29.519 big game against the Lions. I have a feeling 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:32.500 now. The one thing we got going for us is this 00:24:32.500 --> 00:24:34.779 Dan Campbell pride and you know how they can 00:24:34.779 --> 00:24:38.190 be. They want to win this game, whatever. Personally, 00:24:38.829 --> 00:24:41.849 it does no good for them to win this game. Like 00:24:41.849 --> 00:24:45.950 losing has so much upside in this game, but nobody 00:24:45.950 --> 00:24:48.230 wants to see the Lions lose to the Bears and 00:24:48.230 --> 00:24:51.450 lose the last game of the season. So I'm going 00:24:51.450 --> 00:24:55.069 to go with Swift on the Bears side. I'm going 00:24:55.069 --> 00:24:57.730 to say Amun Ra comes out. He's going to play. 00:24:57.730 --> 00:25:00.730 He's not 100 percent, but I think he and JMo 00:25:00.730 --> 00:25:03.549 can do some damage to this Bears D backs, these 00:25:03.549 --> 00:25:06.849 Bears D backs. If, if, if golf can get any time. 00:25:06.910 --> 00:25:09.490 in the pocket at all. We'll see if that happens. 00:25:09.750 --> 00:25:11.690 It's going to depend on who we roll out there 00:25:11.690 --> 00:25:14.150 on that O line. And based on your injury report 00:25:14.150 --> 00:25:16.650 doesn't look pretty. So I think maybe Jamo can 00:25:16.650 --> 00:25:18.970 get some short passes and run with them for a 00:25:18.970 --> 00:25:21.170 bit and tear up this defensive backfield. So 00:25:21.170 --> 00:25:23.589 I'm going to take Jamo for the Lions. I'm going 00:25:23.589 --> 00:25:26.589 to take Swift for the Bear. And, you know, I've 00:25:26.589 --> 00:25:28.970 gone with Gibbs and or Monte everywhere. Tried 00:25:28.970 --> 00:25:30.950 to call a Monte game when it's a Monte game. 00:25:31.009 --> 00:25:33.710 Tried to call a Gibbs once again. Our run game 00:25:33.710 --> 00:25:36.519 is in disarray. This could be the game where 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:39.220 we rush for 200 freaking yards. I don't know, 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:41.859 but it's it's too much of a gamble to call out 00:25:41.859 --> 00:25:44.099 those things in the fantasy world. So I'm going 00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:46.579 to take Jamo and Swift on the other side of the 00:25:46.579 --> 00:25:48.180 ball. I don't know that either quarterback is 00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:50.900 going to blow up for you as far as that goes. 00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:53.240 I have a question for you, Bill, before we get 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.440 into predictions. As I looked over all this stuff 00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:57.960 and I started trying to find the players were 00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:00.509 going to click and blow up in this game. Are 00:26:00.509 --> 00:26:03.029 the Bears for real? We can spin right into our 00:26:03.029 --> 00:26:05.289 prediction with this, but are the Bears for real 00:26:05.289 --> 00:26:07.430 or are they fake? They have a fourth place schedule. 00:26:07.490 --> 00:26:09.490 They benefited from a fourth place schedule this 00:26:09.490 --> 00:26:11.589 season. I think you and I have seen that. Okay. 00:26:11.890 --> 00:26:14.470 The Lions, if they lose here, we'll get a fourth 00:26:14.470 --> 00:26:16.829 place schedule next year. The New England Patriots 00:26:16.829 --> 00:26:19.170 are in the same boat. They benefited from a fourth 00:26:19.170 --> 00:26:21.609 place schedule this season. Do you see this? 00:26:21.890 --> 00:26:24.769 Like, I don't really want to win this game. I 00:26:24.769 --> 00:26:27.309 hate to say it. As much as I'd like to beat Ben 00:26:27.309 --> 00:26:30.420 Johnson, sweep Ben Johnson on the season. It 00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:33.599 does us no good. What are your thoughts? Yes, 00:26:34.059 --> 00:26:35.619 to answer your initial question. You think the 00:26:35.619 --> 00:26:38.880 Bears are for real? Meaning if for real, I mean, 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.940 they won the division going away, you know, they 00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:46.200 made that. Stake that claim pretty early, I guess. 00:26:46.460 --> 00:26:50.099 OK. And yes, I think we miss. I mean, if there's 00:26:50.099 --> 00:26:52.500 one thing we miss outside of Frank Regnau this 00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:55.059 season, it's Ben Johnson. So I think they're 00:26:55.059 --> 00:26:57.319 well coached. I think Dennis Allen's yet another 00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.099 defensive coordinator that couldn't handle being 00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:01.779 a head coach. Okay, but he's a wonderful defensive 00:27:01.779 --> 00:27:03.980 coordinator. Yep. I just want to talk to you 00:27:03.980 --> 00:27:07.839 about this And I just want to see what this does 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:12.240 to change your mind So since November 9th, the 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.799 Bears beat the Giants at home 24 They then went 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:19.920 to Minnesota beat the Vikings 1917 they then 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.460 beat the Steelers at home 31 28 They then beat 00:27:23.460 --> 00:27:27.099 the Eagles in Philly 24 -15. They came home lost 00:27:27.099 --> 00:27:29.000 to the, or excuse me, went up to Lambeau, lost 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.220 to the Packers. No shame in that, 28 -21. Then 00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:34.900 come back home, beat the Browns 31 -3, beat the 00:27:34.900 --> 00:27:38.640 Packers 22 -16, lose a four point tilt out in 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:42.920 San Francisco 42 -38. So when you say, are they 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:45.680 real? I mean, I just look at that body of work 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.460 and it's more impressive than anything the Lions 00:27:47.460 --> 00:27:49.380 have put together at any point this season. That 00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:50.839 doesn't mean anything. The Lions are in the last 00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:52.400 place. So you're comparing them to the Lions. 00:27:52.619 --> 00:27:54.740 I'm sitting there looking at that. The only impressive 00:27:54.740 --> 00:27:56.559 win in that group is the Eagles, and the Eagles 00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:58.980 were down when they did it. We almost beat the 00:27:58.980 --> 00:28:01.259 Eagles. That was an ugly game the week prior. 00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:04.599 They lost to the Niners in San Francisco in a 00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:10.160 very high -scoring game. I don't see how their 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:12.279 body of work is that impressive. Just my opinion. 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:14.440 I just don't see it. I think they benefited from 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:16.680 a fourth -place schedule. If they play our schedule, 00:28:16.779 --> 00:28:19.720 do they get nine wins? Probably not. No, no, 00:28:19.779 --> 00:28:21.759 no, no, no. But then they also wouldn't have 00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.319 a first year head coach as well. I mean, like, 00:28:24.539 --> 00:28:26.460 because they wouldn't have fired the previous 00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:28.859 regime had they not had to have a fourth fourth 00:28:28.859 --> 00:28:31.500 place schedule. At any rate, I don't think that 00:28:31.500 --> 00:28:34.420 in comparison, I these apples and oranges. Well, 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.859 let's just say this. Let's say they get the it's 00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:39.720 going to be bare weather for the first playoff 00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.839 game. They get that at home. Yeah. Say they play 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:46.099 the Packers, their favorite in that game. And 00:28:46.099 --> 00:28:49.519 then say they play whoever's left of the NFC 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.900 West, whether that's San Francisco, Seattle or 00:28:52.900 --> 00:28:56.859 L .A., again, at Soldier Field, I like whoever 00:28:56.859 --> 00:28:59.700 they play there. Will they lose in the NFC championship 00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:03.700 game? Probably. But again, that's a great season. 00:29:04.460 --> 00:29:07.579 If they if they win tomorrow, they get the two 00:29:07.579 --> 00:29:10.059 seed, if I'm not mistaken. If they lose, what 00:29:10.059 --> 00:29:13.160 do they get? They can't be any lower than the 00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:16.150 three seed. They can't be lower than three seed 00:29:16.150 --> 00:29:18.569 then no because the four seeds gonna be the Tampa 00:29:18.569 --> 00:29:21.930 Bay Carolina winner Okay, and so yeah, they're 00:29:21.930 --> 00:29:24.509 either the two seed or the three seed which yeah 00:29:24.509 --> 00:29:27.430 Yeah, I mean if the worst -case scenario for 00:29:27.430 --> 00:29:29.549 the Bears is they win week one and then have 00:29:29.549 --> 00:29:32.869 to host Philly Which they will lose that in the 00:29:32.869 --> 00:29:35.329 divisional game. That's just my prediction and 00:29:35.329 --> 00:29:38.490 I you know, I said it earlier offline Philly's 00:29:38.490 --> 00:29:40.049 a team that everybody's kind of sleeping on. 00:29:40.190 --> 00:29:42.250 They've won five straight and I can see Philly 00:29:42.250 --> 00:29:43.410 making some noise. Yeah, they wake up for this, 00:29:43.589 --> 00:29:46.150 right? Yeah, yeah. This is what happens when 00:29:46.150 --> 00:29:48.710 you have a program in place that just, you can 00:29:48.710 --> 00:29:50.630 have a down season and still get to the playoffs 00:29:50.630 --> 00:29:52.789 and roll because you have people like Hertz back 00:29:52.789 --> 00:29:56.890 there and you've got, you've got Saquon and you've 00:29:56.890 --> 00:29:58.970 got all these guys with immense ability, you 00:29:58.970 --> 00:30:02.910 got a defense that's good. We talk about the 00:30:02.910 --> 00:30:06.339 game being such razor thin margins. Yeah. No, 00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:08.059 have the Bears done anything all that impressive? 00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:10.900 Probably not, Chet. But the fact is, they did 00:30:10.900 --> 00:30:13.000 go to Philly and win. They won in the margins, 00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:15.660 right? They couldn't do that. They beat the Vikings 00:30:15.660 --> 00:30:18.599 once. The Lions couldn't do that. They beat the 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:20.940 Packers once. The Lions couldn't do that. So, 00:30:21.019 --> 00:30:23.220 you know, those are three examples right there. 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:24.900 They beat the Steelers. That's the difference 00:30:24.900 --> 00:30:26.539 in the season right there. There's Packers and 00:30:26.539 --> 00:30:28.640 Vikings. I mean, if you flip -flop those around, 00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:31.799 you have a totally different division. So, a 00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.079 game in the margins. I do think Caleb Williams 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.180 is going to be a superstar. Okay. I do think 00:30:37.180 --> 00:30:39.500 he's... You're brought in on Caleb. He's the 00:30:39.500 --> 00:30:41.220 best quarterback in the division now. Beginning 00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:42.920 of the season we thought he was the worst. He 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:44.519 was an idiot and he wasn't going to last through 00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:47.480 Ben Johnson. Do you remember that? Yes. Fascinating 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:51.220 what 16 -17 games does. So prediction. I'm going 00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:57.819 to go low scoring. 1914 Bears. 1914 Bears low 00:30:57.819 --> 00:31:00.940 scoring. Look at you. Not even tipping. that 00:31:00.940 --> 00:31:03.599 over. Not even tempting it. I'm not too far off 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.980 from me, actually. I'm going to take 21 -17 bears. 00:31:08.420 --> 00:31:10.079 Like it. All right. That's where I think we're 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.519 at. Maybe a field goal out of out of our guys. 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:14.900 And that's about that's about it. Go Honolulu 00:31:14.900 --> 00:31:16.900 blue and silver. Thank you for listening to Detroit 00:31:16.900 --> 00:31:20.220 Lions litter box. Expect our sister pod to come 00:31:20.220 --> 00:31:22.579 up and running here as hot stove heats up the 00:31:22.579 --> 00:31:25.079 Detroit Tigers litter box. Back to baseball, 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.779 baby. All right, Chet, we will do a postgame 00:31:27.779 --> 00:31:30.240 recap. We'll do a couple offseason, you know. 00:31:30.269 --> 00:31:33.730 draft, free agency, coordinator hires, but we're 00:31:33.730 --> 00:31:35.349 getting close to signing off on the Lions. We're 00:31:35.349 --> 00:31:37.369 almost done on the Lions pod for this season, 00:31:37.730 --> 00:31:40.170 folks. Hang in there with us for this final game. 00:31:41.130 --> 00:31:42.509 Go Lions. Go Lions.