WEBVTT 00:00:06.300 --> 00:00:11.919 This is The Litterbox, a Detroit Lions podcast 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:15.660 with your hosts, Chad West and Bill Patterson. 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:22.219 Detroit Lions Litterbox listeners. Well, another 00:00:22.219 --> 00:00:25.239 game played, another game lost. The Lions are 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:29.719 now your last place. Detroit Lions in the NFC, 00:00:29.859 --> 00:00:34.240 Norris or North and Chet yesterday, six turnovers 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:38.600 for the Lions five by Jared Goff. I definitely 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:41.939 put a bow on the season and say it's over. My 00:00:41.939 --> 00:00:44.479 question to you is I am ready to move off of 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:47.740 Jared Goff and start the rebuild. And here's 00:00:47.740 --> 00:00:51.479 why I take my nephews to a Broncos game this 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:54.060 time every year. Three years ago, we were at 00:00:54.060 --> 00:00:57.210 Ford Field when yard Detroit lines and dismantled 00:00:57.210 --> 00:01:01.030 the Broncos and essentially ended Russell Wilson's 00:01:01.030 --> 00:01:03.890 career. Last year I took them and they, we saw 00:01:03.890 --> 00:01:07.909 the Joe burrow led bangles in Cincinnati, best 00:01:07.909 --> 00:01:10.769 the Broncos in overtime. Okay. And you know where 00:01:10.769 --> 00:01:13.870 I'm going. Last night I was in arrowhead and 00:01:13.870 --> 00:01:16.829 we saw a Broncos team that was resilient, not 00:01:16.829 --> 00:01:19.189 playing their best football, beat the chiefs 00:01:19.189 --> 00:01:22.409 in Travis Kelsey's last home game. They did all 00:01:22.409 --> 00:01:26.109 this moving off of a cap hit of $85 million for 00:01:26.109 --> 00:01:29.629 Russell Wilson at the end of 2023. Going back 00:01:29.629 --> 00:01:32.530 to my question, I am ready to move off of Jared 00:01:32.530 --> 00:01:37.209 Goff. What say you? I think the Russell Wilson, 00:01:37.390 --> 00:01:40.650 Jared Goff comparison is a little rough. Russell 00:01:40.650 --> 00:01:44.590 was not in his prime at all when he took the 00:01:44.590 --> 00:01:47.549 position with the Broncos, and it showed only 00:01:47.549 --> 00:01:49.870 so much more when he couldn't sustain anything 00:01:49.870 --> 00:01:53.930 with the Giants. Am I'm not ready to move on 00:01:53.930 --> 00:01:56.709 from Jared Goff yet. I think quarterbacks, you 00:01:56.709 --> 00:01:59.269 know, you don't know what you got till it's gone 00:01:59.269 --> 00:02:02.769 Quarterbacks are hard to freaking come by in 00:02:02.769 --> 00:02:05.390 the NFL good quarterbacks. You can ask Viking 00:02:05.390 --> 00:02:08.250 fans that question right now I mean, oh you mean 00:02:08.250 --> 00:02:10.189 the Vikings that are gonna finish ahead in the 00:02:10.189 --> 00:02:12.849 division. Yeah quarterback Yeah, you can ask 00:02:12.849 --> 00:02:17.729 but what they've we don't have are so many other 00:02:17.729 --> 00:02:19.750 things now You want to get a new quarterback 00:02:19.750 --> 00:02:23.550 in there? I mean, again, we have so many holes 00:02:23.550 --> 00:02:28.250 in the boat right now to fill that I would rather 00:02:28.250 --> 00:02:30.969 restructure golf's contract, which they will 00:02:30.969 --> 00:02:33.550 this coming season. He's a 70 million dollar 00:02:33.550 --> 00:02:37.009 cap hit coming up in 2026. They're going to restructure 00:02:37.009 --> 00:02:41.110 that deal. OK, that's going to happen along with 00:02:41.110 --> 00:02:43.969 maybe a couple other deals to go out and get 00:02:43.969 --> 00:02:46.770 some players to help them win. I get where you're 00:02:46.770 --> 00:02:51.750 going. I want a little more in the Mobility department 00:02:51.750 --> 00:02:54.550 I think in modern football with all these fast 00:02:54.550 --> 00:02:57.430 edge rushers He's done and rushers. You need 00:02:57.430 --> 00:02:59.949 a guy who can run out of the pocket and throw 00:02:59.949 --> 00:03:02.210 Our old line was so bad yesterday. They almost 00:03:02.210 --> 00:03:04.469 turned golf into a running quarterback But that 00:03:04.469 --> 00:03:07.870 that looked ugly a couple times, but it's I'm 00:03:07.870 --> 00:03:10.229 not ready to let him go yet We have other things 00:03:10.229 --> 00:03:14.210 we need we have other Pieces bigger pieces you 00:03:14.210 --> 00:03:16.849 put a running quarterback back there Don't know 00:03:16.849 --> 00:03:18.509 who you're gonna go get but you put one back 00:03:18.509 --> 00:03:21.430 there and they're gonna get destroyed too with 00:03:21.430 --> 00:03:23.370 with what we have on that offensive line right 00:03:23.370 --> 00:03:28.430 now this season Disintegrated so quickly Because 00:03:28.430 --> 00:03:30.729 of the fact that we are running I mean I'm looking 00:03:30.729 --> 00:03:33.530 at the guys that got snaps yesterday and this 00:03:33.530 --> 00:03:36.129 isn't a meaningful game and it wasn't very it 00:03:36.129 --> 00:03:39.009 wasn't much different for the Steelers game and 00:03:39.009 --> 00:03:41.849 I can't believe some of the names that I would 00:03:41.849 --> 00:03:44.909 rattle off that got significant playing time 00:03:45.099 --> 00:03:48.520 I mean, it's, it's amazing. It's like a third, 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:52.020 three or four deep out there on our offense in 00:03:52.020 --> 00:03:55.659 some spots and in our defense too, but now in 00:03:55.659 --> 00:03:58.599 our offense. And I think what's taught me is, 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:00.620 you know, I miss there's certain things that 00:04:00.620 --> 00:04:03.460 I missed or I just took for granted in years 00:04:03.460 --> 00:04:06.120 past that I don't think I'll take for granted 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:09.719 going forward. So my point would be this and 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:12.639 not ready. To restructure Jared Goff means you're 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.520 stuck with him for another four years. And I 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:18.560 don't want Jared Goff for four more years. I've 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:20.759 seen enough. You cannot win a Super Bowl with 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:23.060 Jared Goff. Well, it depends on how they do the 00:04:23.060 --> 00:04:25.439 deal, right? But I'd like them to be creative. 00:04:25.699 --> 00:04:27.519 But I'm telling you right now, you're going to 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:29.300 a new quarterback next season. There's nobody 00:04:29.300 --> 00:04:31.120 coming out in the draft. And don't even try to 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:32.579 sell me on any of them because none of them are 00:04:32.579 --> 00:04:34.279 good enough. Next year is going to be a terrible 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.560 year for quarterbacks in the draft. So where 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:38.060 are you going to go out and get a quarterback 00:04:38.060 --> 00:04:40.769 that's going to be better? and get us to the 00:04:40.769 --> 00:04:43.269 promised land next year, because we need to keep 00:04:43.269 --> 00:04:45.129 the window open, go next year. Otherwise, you 00:04:45.129 --> 00:04:47.629 are closing that window if you go to a new QB. 00:04:47.709 --> 00:04:49.930 Well, I'm not uncertain that the window is not 00:04:49.930 --> 00:04:53.089 already closed. I don't buy that. Too much talent 00:04:53.089 --> 00:04:55.660 left on this roster. I don't buy that. I'm not 00:04:55.660 --> 00:04:57.660 going down that path. Yeah. I mean, I'm just 00:04:57.660 --> 00:04:59.620 thinking you're going to have to tear it down 00:04:59.620 --> 00:05:02.959 to the studs at some point. And why not move 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:06.540 Jamo and Gibbs while you can? You know, you've 00:05:06.540 --> 00:05:08.519 got, I mean, let's talk about free agents that 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.319 we will not have in all likelihood. No Amique 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:15.519 the Freak, no Anne Zaloni, no DJ Reader, no Ray 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.600 Lopez, no Khalifa Raymond. And then Glasgow and 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:20.199 Decker are both question marks. I don't think 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.639 Glasgow has anything left in the tank. And I 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:24.139 don't know if Decker is going to be healthy enough 00:05:24.139 --> 00:05:27.689 to play again. It'll be a very interesting offensive 00:05:27.689 --> 00:05:30.949 line next season. It's either gonna be Glasgow, 00:05:31.329 --> 00:05:34.129 Decker come back, Ragnar comes back, Glasgow 00:05:34.129 --> 00:05:37.050 moves back to guard. It's, you know, one of those 00:05:37.050 --> 00:05:40.350 types of deals where everybody's coming back 00:05:40.350 --> 00:05:43.029 or nobody's coming back. I don't see Ragnar coming 00:05:43.029 --> 00:05:45.529 back if Decker and Glasgow are gone. I just don't 00:05:45.529 --> 00:05:48.689 know if that's gonna happen. So, I agree with 00:05:48.689 --> 00:05:50.589 you, man. We got a problem on the anti -offensive 00:05:50.589 --> 00:05:53.389 line and it isn't gonna solve itself tomorrow. 00:05:53.529 --> 00:05:56.810 I don't want, Frank. Rag now back either that's 00:05:56.810 --> 00:06:00.569 not gonna get us to the Super Bowl I Fine that 00:06:00.569 --> 00:06:02.810 what do you want to do? There's too many holes 00:06:02.810 --> 00:06:05.170 to fill right now and you want to go ditch the 00:06:05.170 --> 00:06:07.129 quarterback So now you want to lose for another 00:06:07.129 --> 00:06:09.990 two or three seasons? Now you're just gonna burn 00:06:09.990 --> 00:06:12.750 Brad Holmes and and no because another couple 00:06:12.750 --> 00:06:15.689 see no because if they follow the Broncos blueprint 00:06:15.689 --> 00:06:20.339 They too could be winning their division What 00:06:20.339 --> 00:06:24.019 was the Broncos blueprint? They went out and 00:06:24.019 --> 00:06:26.939 got what the Broncos always do, which is have 00:06:26.939 --> 00:06:29.180 a great defense and don't worry about the offense. 00:06:29.300 --> 00:06:30.939 The Lions have a number one offense and that 00:06:30.939 --> 00:06:33.079 doesn't get you anywhere. I don't know. They 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:35.420 play in the AFC West, too, and until Kansas City 00:06:35.420 --> 00:06:38.339 decided to completely fold up shop and Kansas 00:06:38.339 --> 00:06:40.839 City. Now, there's a team. If you want to talk 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.319 about retooling, there's a team that's going 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:44.879 to need to retool. I mean, obviously they're 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:46.819 going to keep my homes around, but they're going 00:06:46.819 --> 00:06:49.240 to lose Kelsey. They're going to have to do something 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:51.139 to add another receiver probably. They're going 00:06:51.139 --> 00:06:53.019 to have to do something to get a running game 00:06:53.019 --> 00:06:54.540 going because their running game was terrible. 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:56.959 Their offensive line fell apart too. They were 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:59.040 the same as us. They went from being AFC one 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.720 seed to nothing this year, just like we went 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:04.540 from the NFC one seed to nothing. But we saw 00:07:04.540 --> 00:07:06.139 this. We saw hints of this at the end of last 00:07:06.139 --> 00:07:07.980 season. The injuries take too much of a toll. 00:07:08.459 --> 00:07:12.220 We played. I'm not willing to say scrap it and 00:07:12.220 --> 00:07:14.819 start over because of this season. We played 00:07:14.819 --> 00:07:17.060 this season with three and four deep guys for 00:07:17.060 --> 00:07:19.100 most of the season. And that's when we really 00:07:19.100 --> 00:07:21.459 started losing. You can't succeed with that. 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:23.639 You have to have starters in there. You have 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:25.800 to have your starters in. There's no way you 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:27.959 can judge this team right now based on that. 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:31.439 Now, Brad Holmes has got to learn getting there 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.519 is one thing. Staying up there is a whole other 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:36.759 thing. He does have to start building depth. 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:38.600 And you've made comments throughout the season 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:41.610 about us not being deep enough. We definitely 00:07:41.610 --> 00:07:44.589 have nothing past our one like our starters are 00:07:44.589 --> 00:07:47.430 too deep is super weak and it shouldn't be that 00:07:47.430 --> 00:07:49.529 weak We should have guys that can at least slot 00:07:49.529 --> 00:07:53.110 in there and look like they can perform So I 00:07:53.110 --> 00:07:55.089 agree with you there. He needs to work on depth, 00:07:55.170 --> 00:07:58.009 but we have questions answer on that offensive 00:07:58.009 --> 00:08:00.689 line It's hard to build an offensive line, but 00:08:00.689 --> 00:08:02.430 I'm not getting rid of quarterbacks yet. I'm 00:08:02.430 --> 00:08:05.259 not going down that road yet If something came 00:08:05.259 --> 00:08:07.060 up and something was great, I'm not turning it 00:08:07.060 --> 00:08:09.259 down, but I we don't need to replace the QB yet 00:08:09.259 --> 00:08:12.220 You listed off all those free agents. I'm pretty 00:08:12.220 --> 00:08:15.540 sure most of those guys will be gone Maybe save 00:08:15.540 --> 00:08:18.399 like one. Maybe somebody will come back. What 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:21.060 do you think of guys? Like I know we have DJ 00:08:21.060 --> 00:08:23.660 Reid for another season Do you feel like he's 00:08:23.660 --> 00:08:27.079 the answer is our number one corner? Or do you 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:30.040 feel like Terry and Arnold is a number one corner? 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:34.320 What do you think about on the defensive side 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:36.480 of the ball? You're asking me to pour kerosene 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.740 on fire. I mean, Brad Holmes has missed on that 00:08:38.740 --> 00:08:40.460 side of the ball as well. Actually, he's missed 00:08:40.460 --> 00:08:42.279 more on that side than he has on the offensive 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:45.700 side. You're right. So the third round pick plus 00:08:45.700 --> 00:08:49.360 picks that were added to get the pick. on Broderick 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:53.120 Martin looks terrible now. The pick on Levi Owens 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:56.159 -Ricke looks worse now, okay? He was hurt in 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.120 college. He was hurt. They're not gonna be able 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.399 to make these reaches anymore. They're gonna 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:03.460 have to start going with the best player available 00:09:03.460 --> 00:09:06.419 mindset for a lot of these draft picks going 00:09:06.419 --> 00:09:09.100 forward. Yes, which is awesome. You know, Marcus 00:09:09.100 --> 00:09:12.480 Davenport never panned out as a lion. So, you 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.649 know, and then... He re -signed Derek Barnes, 00:09:16.190 --> 00:09:18.129 or extended Derek Barnes, and that was just a 00:09:18.129 --> 00:09:21.649 guy. And then, okay, DJ Reid, I agree, probably 00:09:21.649 --> 00:09:23.629 isn't the number one, but then the guy you drafted 00:09:23.629 --> 00:09:26.309 to be the number one, Terryon Arnold can't stay 00:09:26.309 --> 00:09:30.549 on the field. The nickel you drafted, Enis Rake 00:09:30.549 --> 00:09:32.370 -Straw was hurt in college, can't stay on the 00:09:32.370 --> 00:09:35.629 field. And Brian Branch will not probably play 00:09:35.629 --> 00:09:38.009 next year because of the severity of his Achilles 00:09:38.009 --> 00:09:41.169 tear. And in defense of this, we had 10 All -Pros. 00:09:41.610 --> 00:09:43.730 It's just that six of them were injured for most 00:09:43.730 --> 00:09:47.049 of the season. So that's incredible. Five starters 00:09:47.049 --> 00:09:50.309 and five back and five rotation guys. And I share 00:09:50.309 --> 00:09:53.049 your side of the argument. If I can make mine 00:09:53.049 --> 00:09:56.570 though. Yeah. You, Brad went all in on resigning 00:09:56.570 --> 00:10:00.850 the core. Okay. And right now, let's just talk 00:10:00.850 --> 00:10:03.889 about the defensive side of the ball. Your core 00:10:03.889 --> 00:10:08.360 is Eileen McNeil. Hutch, Barnes, and Kirby Joseph. 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:10.840 Kirby Joseph may not be back. Brian Bra - You 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:13.980 know, we don't know that. Sure. Barnes is just 00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:17.860 a guy, and that leaves you McNeil who hasn't 00:10:17.860 --> 00:10:20.539 registered to tackle in four games, and Hutch. 00:10:20.899 --> 00:10:24.320 So you're one for four on that? If Joseph comes 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:27.259 back, you're batting 50%. And these are the guys 00:10:27.259 --> 00:10:29.679 that you wanted to sign. You know, we believe 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:31.399 in our guys. These are the guys that are going 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:32.980 to win a championship for us. Sure, but they 00:10:32.980 --> 00:10:34.759 got hurt. If I go to the offensive side of the 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.899 ball, Montgomery, he's a free agent and probably, 00:10:38.059 --> 00:10:39.620 or he's not a free agent, but he'll probably 00:10:39.620 --> 00:10:43.039 leave. He's disgruntled. Jamo is not a difference 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:47.019 maker. You extended him. St. Brown, awesome. 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:49.139 Yes, he's the heart and soul of the team. Sewell, 00:10:49.299 --> 00:10:51.500 heart and soul of the team. Great moves there. 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:53.700 Jared Goff, we can share our differences on that, 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:55.440 but yeah, you need a quarterback to win in this 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:57.720 league. All of that being out there, there's 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:01.159 no way I want 60 million committed to one player 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.659 with a roster with this many holes, and that 00:11:03.659 --> 00:11:06.700 is Jared Goff. I think you could get, put it 00:11:06.700 --> 00:11:09.659 this way, Chet. You could win nine games next 00:11:09.659 --> 00:11:13.830 year, 10 games, 11 games. with a Baker Mayfield, 00:11:14.090 --> 00:11:18.809 a Gino Smith, a Jacoby Bessette. Like, I don't 00:11:18.809 --> 00:11:21.669 think that the fallout from Jared Goff to, you 00:11:21.669 --> 00:11:24.330 know, replacement level quarterbacks. I'm assuming 00:11:24.330 --> 00:11:27.129 those guys are available. Yeah. So one of them 00:11:27.129 --> 00:11:29.830 will be, someone will be available. And then 00:11:29.980 --> 00:11:32.759 You ramp up the defense. You get edge. You get 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.379 another partner for hutch at edge. You shore 00:11:35.379 --> 00:11:37.620 up that defensive tackle linebacker. You probably 00:11:37.620 --> 00:11:39.299 don't touch because it's not that important of 00:11:39.299 --> 00:11:41.840 a position anyway. And then you commit any other 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:44.399 resources to the secondary. That's kind of my 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:48.559 rebuild and my fear. My fear is they're going 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:52.120 to sit on the fact that, hey, we've got Glasgow 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.779 and Ragnow and Decker coming back. We don't need 00:11:54.779 --> 00:11:57.200 to touch the O -line and Ratledge won't be a 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.659 rookie anymore. And, you know, and so you're 00:11:59.659 --> 00:12:01.840 going to get in like mahogany is going to be 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:04.860 one more year down the road. And we'll have Iguacun 00:12:04.860 --> 00:12:07.179 back there with some experience now and Awasiko 00:12:07.179 --> 00:12:09.659 with some experience. My fear is they're going 00:12:09.659 --> 00:12:12.080 to hold Pat on that offensive line and not do 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.840 something about the guys that are that are beat 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:18.919 up, aging. And maybe they'll go all in on like 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.559 let's get hutch another edge rusher to rush with 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:27.240 in tandem or Let's go sign another Cornerback 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:29.399 that's available on the market guys that are 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:32.039 available on the market We aren't that good when 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:34.299 it comes to defensive backs you got a trade for 00:12:34.299 --> 00:12:36.240 them You got to get rid of some stuff for them. 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:38.379 What do you let me ask? I'm gonna throw something 00:12:38.379 --> 00:12:43.500 else at you a Earlier this week There was a pundit. 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.120 I can't remember his name now. I don't really 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:47.299 care Somebody on one of the shows talking about 00:12:47.299 --> 00:12:50.299 trading a mon raw st. Brown for a haul Where 00:12:50.299 --> 00:12:52.779 do you stand on making a crazy deal like that 00:12:52.779 --> 00:12:56.259 like taking a mon raw and trading him for a haul 00:12:56.259 --> 00:12:59.059 or taking? Jmo, I don't know if you can get rid 00:12:59.059 --> 00:13:02.360 of Jmo based on his contract for a haul or or 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.360 Gibbs even and trading him for a haul like do 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.480 you think trading any one of those position guys? 00:13:07.899 --> 00:13:09.460 Because they're the guys who are gonna get you 00:13:09.460 --> 00:13:11.580 something I don't know how much golf is going 00:13:11.580 --> 00:13:13.179 to get you. You know what I mean? I just mentioned 00:13:13.179 --> 00:13:16.000 two of them. No, I'm saying you cut your losses. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.399 You can't trade any of these guys. No, you cut 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:21.039 your losses with golf. And I would trade all 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:24.620 of them. The only untradable guys, I think there's 00:13:24.620 --> 00:13:27.120 three untradable lines right now. Who are they? 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:31.759 St. Brown, Sewell, and then the organization 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.639 says Hutch. I don't know that I say Hutch. Outside 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:36.399 of that, I think anybody could go on the block. 00:13:36.500 --> 00:13:39.240 So St. Brown, Sewell, and Hutch are your untouchables. 00:13:39.629 --> 00:13:42.330 If you could get that much for St. Brown, I didn't 00:13:42.330 --> 00:13:43.870 read this article, so I don't know what the hall 00:13:43.870 --> 00:13:48.990 is. They need more than seven picks next year, 00:13:49.169 --> 00:13:51.590 and they need significant free agent help, and 00:13:51.590 --> 00:13:54.129 they're gonna have to shop, a la Detroit Tiger 00:13:54.129 --> 00:13:57.649 Scott Harrison, the bargain bid on this. Your 00:13:57.649 --> 00:13:59.750 picks aren't gonna get you there. I mean, your 00:13:59.750 --> 00:14:02.620 draft picks are great. One of those guys might 00:14:02.620 --> 00:14:05.059 be somebody who produces in year one, maybe two 00:14:05.059 --> 00:14:07.419 of those guys, but just because you have seven 00:14:07.419 --> 00:14:09.019 picks, you're not going to get seven productive 00:14:09.019 --> 00:14:10.840 players out of that. You're going to get like 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.470 two, maybe. And so it's going to be in trades. 00:14:14.870 --> 00:14:16.269 You're going to need veterans. You're going to 00:14:16.269 --> 00:14:18.370 need veterans. So it's going to be in trades. 00:14:18.470 --> 00:14:20.409 You're going to have to be very aggressive and 00:14:20.409 --> 00:14:22.309 free agency. I don't know if we have the cap 00:14:22.309 --> 00:14:24.230 space for that. I mean, we're a quandary right 00:14:24.230 --> 00:14:27.549 now. I don't even know that tearing down is feasible 00:14:27.549 --> 00:14:29.110 because they're going to have to keep pieces 00:14:29.110 --> 00:14:30.529 because they aren't going to be able to replace 00:14:30.529 --> 00:14:32.529 them with anything. And I don't know that they're 00:14:32.529 --> 00:14:36.129 going to get trade value in trade for some of 00:14:36.129 --> 00:14:38.889 these guys at this point in time. So there's 00:14:38.889 --> 00:14:42.379 a lot of question marks. around how are they 00:14:42.379 --> 00:14:45.539 going to figure this out? And I think they are 00:14:45.539 --> 00:14:47.000 going to lean on like, oh, we're going to get 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:49.559 these offensive linemen back. Let's not dwell 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:52.019 on the line right now, which I think the offensive 00:14:52.019 --> 00:14:54.279 line is the single most important part of this 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.639 team. It is the single most important. Nothing 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:59.950 else that that really. you know, should be. I 00:14:59.950 --> 00:15:02.309 can go without another edge rusher if we can 00:15:02.309 --> 00:15:04.470 shore up that offensive line. I definitely could, 00:15:04.470 --> 00:15:06.649 but I just don't. It's also very difficult. It's 00:15:06.649 --> 00:15:08.570 hard to get offensive linemen who are accomplished 00:15:08.570 --> 00:15:11.470 or good offensive linemen. So we'll see what 00:15:11.470 --> 00:15:14.429 happens with that. Do you have any thoughts on? 00:15:14.850 --> 00:15:16.590 I was reading the free press this morning. They 00:15:16.590 --> 00:15:19.549 were talking about Morton and his offensive game 00:15:19.549 --> 00:15:21.649 plan coming in this season and the difference 00:15:21.649 --> 00:15:24.850 between he and Ben Johnson and what they do differently. 00:15:24.950 --> 00:15:27.590 And Morton was going for these explosives, these 00:15:27.659 --> 00:15:30.700 plays down the field those plays require you 00:15:30.700 --> 00:15:33.379 to hold on to the football longer and they require 00:15:33.379 --> 00:15:38.019 a deeper drop back do you do you think golf in 00:15:38.019 --> 00:15:41.419 Ben Johnson's offense it was two -step drop fire 00:15:41.419 --> 00:15:44.620 it was a very quick everything was simple you 00:15:44.620 --> 00:15:47.759 know you guys ran the same routes they just moved 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.659 around into different places and ran those routes. 00:15:50.740 --> 00:15:53.740 It was a very simple offense, and Goff was able 00:15:53.740 --> 00:15:56.600 to hit guys left and right, you know, and with 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:58.759 quick passes, and then they made a lot out of 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:02.059 them with their legs. Do you think Morton's scheme 00:16:02.059 --> 00:16:05.740 kind of ruined things from the word go? Do you 00:16:05.740 --> 00:16:08.460 think it complicated things unnecessarily? It 00:16:08.460 --> 00:16:11.700 definitely complicated things. The offense will 00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:17.580 be better next year. Save. Unless they run back, 00:16:17.740 --> 00:16:20.720 you know, the the the Veterans Association or 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:23.159 administration for offensive line But if they 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:26.860 put some effort into that with a new Depending 00:16:26.860 --> 00:16:29.080 on the coordinator hires and it can't be Johnny 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:31.940 mo part two. Yeah, you got to figure that's an 00:16:31.940 --> 00:16:34.480 upgrade And we've already touched on that on 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.679 other pods I think there's some scheme blocking 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:39.139 too in that John in Johnny Mo's offense that 00:16:39.139 --> 00:16:41.580 just wasn't great Let's just scheme was bad. 00:16:41.580 --> 00:16:45.440 I mean Did he overrule Hank Freely? Do you think 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:47.600 this? I don't know. That's a good question. Or 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:49.799 if one of them didn't jive with the other, I'm 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.639 not sure. I mean, again, you're you're judging 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:54.980 coaches and you can do the same thing with Calvin 00:16:54.980 --> 00:16:56.460 Shepard. And I know you have questions about 00:16:56.460 --> 00:16:58.899 him, too. You're judging coaches and coaching 00:16:58.899 --> 00:17:02.039 guys who are third and fourth strainers or practice 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:05.519 squad guys trying to come in and play. That's 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:08.859 very difficult to do. Calvin Shepard's only doing 00:17:08.859 --> 00:17:12.369 that. He had his line back his front sevens been 00:17:12.369 --> 00:17:14.490 healthy all he had it He did have his front seven 00:17:14.490 --> 00:17:17.009 his defensive backfield was pretty okay, and 00:17:17.009 --> 00:17:19.910 and he was missing a detail here there Yeah, 00:17:19.910 --> 00:17:23.309 he's had reading yacres. Yeah, yeah rock. Yes, 00:17:23.430 --> 00:17:26.089 in so really he's only missing his safety like 00:17:26.089 --> 00:17:29.650 rock Yes, in is not a starter in the league understood 00:17:29.650 --> 00:17:37.190 Yeah, I'm not willing to give Kelvin Shepard 00:17:37.549 --> 00:17:40.569 Total pass on this no, I don't give a total pass 00:17:40.569 --> 00:17:44.190 but I if the offensive coordinators have more 00:17:44.190 --> 00:17:46.890 importance But obviously I'm talking about making 00:17:46.890 --> 00:17:49.730 bigger wholesale changes because I personally 00:17:49.730 --> 00:17:52.750 think That Rod Wood and Sheila will not stand 00:17:52.750 --> 00:17:54.990 for this another year. They've tasted success 00:17:54.990 --> 00:17:56.809 They know what it's like to have a wait list 00:17:56.809 --> 00:17:59.690 now for season tickets and be able to jack up 00:17:59.690 --> 00:18:03.289 prices Brad and MC DC are gonna be coaching and 00:18:03.289 --> 00:18:05.910 managing for their jobs next year I do feel like 00:18:05.910 --> 00:18:08.880 that's healthy though bill Like we all came in 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:11.799 with pretty good ego this year, right? Everybody 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:16.099 was pretty high on themselves and Brad hasn't 00:18:16.099 --> 00:18:19.720 had to do. You know, he got everything up there 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:22.319 to where it's a competitive team, but staying 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:24.759 up there seems to be the problem, like keeping 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:27.359 them up there year in, year out. I mean, we have 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:30.440 only had one bad now. He had two great seasons, 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.500 one bad season. Ending of last season wasn't 00:18:33.500 --> 00:18:36.299 exceptional, but whatever. I think overall on 00:18:36.299 --> 00:18:38.880 the season it was good. I think getting there, 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:42.299 he now needs to show that he can build the depth 00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:45.700 and go out and get those pieces and be aggressive. 00:18:46.259 --> 00:18:48.859 Can he do that? Can he be aggressive or is he 00:18:48.859 --> 00:18:51.819 gonna keep trying to? Be the smart guy in the 00:18:51.819 --> 00:18:55.559 room and out think everybody we do the impossible 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:58.680 That's we will say scares that living daylights 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:00.380 out of me if he keeps trying to do that I just 00:19:00.380 --> 00:19:03.299 don't see success and so listeners We're gonna 00:19:03.299 --> 00:19:06.819 wrap it here and let you know that Merry Christmas 00:19:06.819 --> 00:19:09.900 again Sorry for this Boxing Day episode where 00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:11.700 we're putting nothing but coal in your stock 00:19:11.700 --> 00:19:15.240 just a cathartic This is cathartic for us. We 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.910 have to get this out That's not Chet and I, that's 00:19:17.910 --> 00:19:24.109 the Lions deciding to be beaten by a backup third 00:19:24.109 --> 00:19:27.990 string quarterback. We all need to express ourselves 00:19:27.990 --> 00:19:31.529 a little. Who threw for 51 yards and beat the 00:19:31.529 --> 00:19:34.450 Lions. Six turnovers will do that to you. I know. 00:19:34.650 --> 00:19:37.450 Six turnovers. We'll expect a Bears preview and 00:19:37.450 --> 00:19:40.069 much more jovial times upcoming. Yeah, let's 00:19:40.069 --> 00:19:43.779 go take a breath. Thank you. loyal Lions litter 00:19:43.779 --> 00:19:46.559 box listeners, go Honolulu Blue and Silver. Go 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:46.980 Lions!