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This is The Litterbox, a Detroit Lions podcast

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with your hosts, Chet West and Bill Patterson.

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Detroit Lions Litterbox listeners, welcome to

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the Detroit Lions Litterbox with your hosts,

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Billy P and Chet West. Chet, I'm going to kick

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things off. The Detroit Lions have their final

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home game this year at Ford Field. They are seven

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point favorites over the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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whom they have not beaten since 1998. That is

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a shocking stat. I had no idea. Chet, ESPN just

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ran 5 ,000 simulations for this game and settled

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on a Lions 47 to 10 victory. I don't share that

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confidence. What do you think about this upcoming

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game? I don't think it's gonna be a 47 to 10

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victory. It could be, but it depends on who we

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see on the defensive side of the ball for the

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Lions. I don't have a lot of doubt that we can

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put numbers up. I think we can put numbers up.

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I think we at least put 30 points on the board.

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Knock on wood, because we don't want that to

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come back to haunt us. But I think we can at

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least put 30 points up on the board against the

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Steelers. Our defense, I think we're treading

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into that we could probably lose or we could

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probably get beat up by almost any offense in

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the field. So if your Steelers O scare you at

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all question, if that answers that for you at

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all, yeah, every offense scares me. With this

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defense that we currently are rolling out there,

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every offense scares me. So I agree that I don't

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think it's gonna be that much of a blowout, but

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the Lions do have the number one offense in the

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league They faced a very formidable defense last

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week in the Rams and still put up 34 put up 34

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So here are the keys if the Steelers were to

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upset the Lions, I think they're gonna have to

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control the clock They're gonna have to run the

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ball down the Lions throats. So you're gonna

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see a combination of Jalen Warren Kenneth Gainwell

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and then DK met gaff breaking open deep. However,

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I think that's asking a lot. That is what the

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Steelers did last Monday night against the Dolphins

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in basically the second, third and start to the

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fourth quarter. They put together some really

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good looking drives. They were even running RPO

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with Aaron Rodgers at age 41 or 42. I just think

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they're going to struggle. And here's why. Hutch

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is going up against a rookie left tackle and

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Hutch feasts on backup or inexperienced tackles.

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So I think the Steelers offensive line is in

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worse shape than the Lions offensive line. And

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that I think is going to be the key to this ball

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game is that we're going to see Hutch earn his

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money this week and play a whale. So you think

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this is going to be the typical Lions get healthy

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game. It's like every other game, right? They

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lose, then they come back and get healthy and

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we feel great about them. Then they lose and

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then they come back and get healthy and we feel

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great about them. I agree with you to some extent.

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I think they could beat the Steelers pretty badly

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here. Again, I just don't trust our defense.

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And when you have a guy like DK Metcalf out there,

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we saw what Nakua did to us last week. Granted,

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you've got Aaron Rodgers, old man Rodgers throwing

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the ball. You've got a Steelers O -line that's

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beat up. That Rams O -line was very, very good.

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If you go back and watch that game film. We didn't

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have pressure. We didn't. We couldn't find our

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way to Matt. And when we could, we caused a little

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havoc. He made a lot of bad decisions in the

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first half, but they tightened that up real quick.

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So I don't see the Steelers being able to do

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that. I may talk myself out of being scared of

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this game, but at this point, I'm scared of all

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offenses. DK Metcalf could literally send us

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into a nightmare spiral. Well, something that

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bothered me about Kelvin Shepard's presser this

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week, Chet, was that he said that He didn't think

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that the Rams ran the ball with authority on

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the Lions, save for a couple of plays. That's

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interesting. Which was not the same game that

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you and I watched. I feel like they didn't need

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to. They were constantly in first or second down.

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At one point, it felt like Stafford was just

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slinging balls to Nakua and Devante. And it was

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like we never even saw a third down in the running

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game when they had to. Gow just did. Kyron Williams

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had his way with us and so did Blake quorum.

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Yeah quorum had his way with I don't I don't

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see that at all Neither do I so if the Steelers

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are gonna win this game on defense They're gonna

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have to apply pressure up the middle which has

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been the Lions kryptonite all season take a page

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from the Vikings game where Brian Flores just

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blitzed it up the middle, time and time again,

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confused Glasgow, confused the rookie guards,

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and then dominate time of possession in the clock,

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maybe win the turnover battle. And that's the

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Steelers game plan. How old are these teams are

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eight and six, and the Steelers are coming out

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to win. They're not, they're not going to just

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lay down. This isn't a four and eight Steelers

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team right now, or six and eight Steelers team.

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Ready to pack it up for the season. They're trying

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to get a playoff spot. The Steelers never pack

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it up. They made the playoff spot. No, not like

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Zaron Rodgers. Yeah, like 15 years in a row or

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something. How the Lions win at Chet, I do think

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the Steelers are beat up at some very key positions.

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Both tackles are backups. So we talked about

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that and then... The outside linebacker opposite

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Highsmith is a question mark right now. So I

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think Amon St. Brown and or Jamo could have a

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field day. This is one of those games chat that

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I wish Sam Laporta was playing. Yeah, I know.

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I was just going to say we would have been good.

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He would have been the difference maker, but

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Gibbs in the slot or catching balls out of the

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backfield. I feel like that could be a yes. That

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could be something that I would like to see Gibbs

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play that role in this game and Monte to play

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the up the gut role in this game. I that's what

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I would like to see them alternating those roles.

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Gibbs can go out in the slot. He can go out for

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the passes. Monte takes the takes the brunt of

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the the. Vicious hits up the gut, grinds out

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four or five yards every time he carries the

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ball, Gibbs is out there wreaking havoc for the

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linebacking corps and coverage mismatches and

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whatnot. I like that a lot better. That's a great

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game plan. Dan, do it. Do it, Dan. We know that

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MCDC listens to our pod religiously. All the

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time. I'm sure of it. I'm sure of it. Wakes up

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in the morning looking for a new episode. No,

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no. Holly, his wife, is like, Dan, stop. The

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cold -pressed coffee, you gotta listen to the

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litter box first. I'm gonna go out on a limb

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and say we're not even in his sphere anywhere.

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He doesn't even know it. We're in two different

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dimensions, Bill. At any rate, I do like the

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idea of getting Gibbs lined up in that mismatch

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situation there, and I'd like to see them do

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that a little more. And of course, everybody

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wants to see Monte run the ball a little more.

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We're all worried about his well -being at this

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point. Utilization. He hasn't been utilized nearly

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enough. So why don't you give us your fantasy

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picks to click, and then I'll get the injury

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report up and ready. All right. So here's who

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I'm going with. I'm going to give you an obvious

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play for the Steelers. If you're taking anybody

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from the Steelers, if you're going to take...

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a fantasy player from the Steelers. It's got

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to be Metcalf, in my opinion. He's really the

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only guy on that team that's going to do a ton

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of damage. Jalen Warren is like the 26th rank

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running back in fantasy right now. OK, that's

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not terrible. He could do some damage. So if

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you have Jalen Warren, you could play Jalen Warren.

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Just beware. This could be one of those games

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where all of a sudden, Alim McNeil and DJ Reeder

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and Tylek Williams all show up and look great.

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So careful, careful there with Jalen. But if

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you don't have a better option, start them. A

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guy that could be a sneak play, if you need a

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fill in, could be like a Calvin Austin at wide

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receiver for the Steelers. Go ahead and play

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him if you need it, if you need it. Other side

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of the ball, the same cast of characters. We're

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not going to get fancy with this. It's going

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to be Gibbs. It's going to be Amon Ra. J and

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J Mo is in there too as a play, but my sneak

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play for the Lions You've probably been benching

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him to some degree this season Monte I think

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they're gonna force the Monte issue in this game

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I think they're gonna force Monte and I think

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he's gonna get a game. I think he's gonna get

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a good game So if you've got him and you know

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again, if you've got an elite running back Don't

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start him ahead of an elite running back But

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if you've got him and you need a running back

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put Monte in there. Alright good good recap and

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I agree with what Everything you said because

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I'm in a but you know in a position of weakness

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now after saying the Rams running backs wouldn't

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feast on the Lions team exactly You've got a

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you've got to sit quiet for a week. Yeah, you're

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in the penalty box for one week exactly five

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-minute major Let's move over to injury report

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starting with the Lions Graham Glasgow has not

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practiced thus far this week neither is Kirby

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Joseph I don't know that that's a bad thing the

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Joseph news is bad that knees just not getting

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healthy, but Glasgow not playing doesn't Worrying

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me terribly because Tristan Cologne is back Taylor

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Decker actually practiced yesterday for the first

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time since September Giovanni Manu is back Amik

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Robertson is back Coyote Awasika is back Thomas

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Harper is back Christian mahogany is back and

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Sione Vake is still on the injured list with

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that hand But he's always practicing. Did you

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see that Arthur mallet is gone by the way? Yeah,

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he signed with the Titans. Yeah The Titans grabbed

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him. So we'll never see Mollet on the field again

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for us. Well, this season. How do you feel about

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that? I'm good with it. I'm fine. Moving along.

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Please continue your injury report. That's it

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for the line. So we're getting healthier. All

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right, the right time and shortening up that

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used to take about two minutes to do that. So

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that's good. That's it. I'm done. I'm in. The

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good news is the offensive line. We now have

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strength and reinforcement. All right. OK, OK.

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Let's go over to the other side of the ball.

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Aaron Rodgers is dealing with a left wrist injury.

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He's still practicing, so I don't see anything

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there. A wide receiver who I'm not familiar with,

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Ben Skowarnek. has an illness and a hand injury.

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So who knows what's going on with that, but he's

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been limited. And here's where it gets interesting.

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So the back half, you've got all sorts of injuries.

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Jubil Preppers is also dealing with an injury,

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has not been practicing. James Pierre is dealing

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with a calf injury. He has not been playing.

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He's a cornerback. And then the big one is TJ

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Watt. They're all everything edge rusher. Had

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a collapsed lung and obviously is not practicing.

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We don't know enough at the time of this recording

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whether he'll play or not, Chet. But let's hope

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he doesn't because he is a difference maker when

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he's on the field. Okay. Also, we've got a couple

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other defensive injuries. Nick Herbig is dealing

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with a hammy. He is not practiced. And then we

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also have three defensive tackles, Chet. Keenow?

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Benton is a defensive tackle. Cameron Hayward

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is a defensive tackle and Derek Harman is a defensive

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tackle. They are all dealing with minor to major

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lower body injuries. They'll probably play. Well,

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here's the thing. Benton and Hayward have not

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practiced yet this week. Harman looks good to

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go. And then on the offensive line, Andreas Pete

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Isaac Simalo and the center Zach Frazier. So

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that's both starting guards and your center all

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have been limited or not practicing this week

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as well. So they're dinged up and their defense

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sounds dinged up. Yes. I mean, no TJ Watts obviously

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going to be huge if he doesn't play. Yes. K word

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is a good defensive line. If he doesn't play,

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that's a problem. So we've got a, you know, we've

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got a Gimpy Steelers defense that we're going

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to go up against. What do you have for your,

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let's do a prediction, Bill, coming off of all

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that information. What are your thoughts? I'm

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going to go 31 -10 Detroit Lions. 31 to 10 Detroit

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Lions. Okay. Okay. And the simulation from ESPN

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was, what was it again? 47 to 10. They ran it

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5 ,000 times. You're going 31 -10. Okay. I'm

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going to go 41 17 lions. Ooh, I like it. All

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right. And so they're going to cover the seven

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and it's going to go over. And I think it's going

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to be like a late touchdown that takes it over

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probably maybe something like that. Coleslaw

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maybe in the end zone. Maybe just like a finisher,

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if you will. A finisher off. Or it may be the

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Steelers just like, you know, get a late dirty

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touchdown, but I think it's just barely going

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to go over. All right, Bill, that is our preview

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for the Lions Steelers is a big one, folks. Both

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teams, eight and six. Both teams still in the

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playoff hunt. Both teams still fighting for their

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for their twenty twenty five postseason lives.

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Every game matters from here on out. This is

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the start of a three game stretch for the Lions.

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They need them all in the end if. If they drop

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one, I guess this would be the one to drop, but

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we really can't drop any. They can't drop any

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at this point. They can't drop any. So folks,

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we got another afternoon start time Sunday. 325.

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You know. 425. You know is my favorite time slot.

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Let's hope for a little bit better result this

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week. I have a feeling from what I was seeing,

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a lot of our games have these later time slots

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of the next three. So that I'm assuming the Bears

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game will have a late time slot in January. We'll

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see. It hasn't been announced, but yes. But I'm

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again, you do the game at three twenty five,

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you spin it into a cocktail, you spin it into

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dinner and your night's all set. And if the Lions

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win, feels a lot better. All right. I'm going

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to throw you a quick curveball as we depart.

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OK, I am coming hot into this game Sunday with

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my parents. fresh from the Music Box's annual

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White Christmas sing -a -long. That sounds lovely.

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A holiday tradition unlike many others. Unlike

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any other. Like many others, yes. It's unlike

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many others. Anyhow, just think of me listeners.

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Go Lions, Honolulu Blue and Silver. Enjoy. Go

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Lions.