WEBVTT 00:00:06.399 --> 00:00:11.919 This is the Litterbox, a Detroit Lions podcast 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:15.480 with your hosts, Chet West and Bill Patterson. 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:21.280 Welcome to the Detroit Lions Litterbox with your 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:24.719 co -hosts, Billy P from the D and Chet West. 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.600 We are talking Lions beating the Cowboys and 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:30.760 Chet. I'm going to give you a question here in 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:33.859 a moment, but my big thing is this. The Lions 00:00:33.859 --> 00:00:37.500 held the Cowboys explosive offense to just two 00:00:37.500 --> 00:00:42.719 touchdowns in one. Yeah, but that was that's 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:46.259 a success difference in the game. And I will 00:00:46.259 --> 00:00:49.500 tell you this, as much as I love our field goal 00:00:49.500 --> 00:00:52.920 kicker, he is not Brandon Aubrey. That guy is 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.689 automatic from. Anywhere yeah, he's he hits it. 00:00:56.689 --> 00:00:58.909 He's pretty good, and I'm and that's nothing 00:00:58.909 --> 00:01:03.070 against our guy, okay No, no, but I get what 00:01:03.070 --> 00:01:05.129 you're saying. I get what you're saying. I think 00:01:05.129 --> 00:01:09.790 Aubrey is like a future Morton Anderson on that 00:01:09.790 --> 00:01:13.629 Lowry type of Hall of Fame Yeah, how are you? 00:01:14.150 --> 00:01:16.790 Garo? Yuppie men or whatever that guy's arrow. 00:01:16.930 --> 00:01:19.709 I think it's yarrow. I believe he is silent. 00:01:19.709 --> 00:01:22.269 Yeah, I know you're premium. You're premium. 00:01:22.290 --> 00:01:25.480 Thank you So anyhow, I think Brandon Aubrey might 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.060 be in the best there. I guess quick thoughts. 00:01:28.579 --> 00:01:31.180 The Lions did what they needed to do to salvage 00:01:31.180 --> 00:01:33.739 two out of three at home. Jermier Gibbs is the 00:01:33.739 --> 00:01:36.159 best running back in the NFL. Anybody that wants 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:39.459 to debate that, send us a note because there 00:01:39.459 --> 00:01:43.480 is no debate on that. In our Lord's year of 2025 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:47.019 of the NFL season, a CD lamb gets hurt early 00:01:47.019 --> 00:01:49.650 in the second half. That hurts. Question for 00:01:49.650 --> 00:01:52.230 you Chet, and this is where we're going to start 00:01:52.230 --> 00:01:55.250 this. Did George Pickens get hurt on that first 00:01:55.250 --> 00:01:58.150 catch where he came up a little gingerly, or 00:01:58.150 --> 00:02:02.989 did George Pickens quit on his team? Let's say 00:02:02.989 --> 00:02:06.689 you. Bold assumption you're making there of Mr. 00:02:06.829 --> 00:02:09.430 Pickens. I don't, this isn't me Chet, Richard 00:02:09.430 --> 00:02:13.069 Sherman called him out. Really? Yeah. I did not 00:02:13.069 --> 00:02:16.280 see Sherman make this statement. Many people 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:19.479 have called him out on this. But your opinion 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.379 is what we really care about. So I want to tell 00:02:23.379 --> 00:02:26.419 you what my situation was like for watching this 00:02:26.419 --> 00:02:28.780 game. I could not hear the announcers through 00:02:28.780 --> 00:02:31.740 most of it. I had to watch it on an iPad due 00:02:31.740 --> 00:02:35.120 to the Amazon Prime broadcast because I was in 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:37.139 a hotel room in North Carolina where they did 00:02:37.139 --> 00:02:41.520 not have Amazon Prime available for me to watch 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:45.259 on the television set. I could not also mirror 00:02:45.259 --> 00:02:49.460 my iPad, so I had to just watch on a iPad screen 00:02:49.460 --> 00:02:52.419 and I had other action going on, so I was sharing 00:02:52.419 --> 00:02:55.780 a hotel room with my daughter who was doing some 00:02:55.780 --> 00:02:58.419 other things in the background, so I was kind 00:02:58.419 --> 00:03:01.360 of bouncing in and out of some, we were at a 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:03.039 function and I was bouncing in and out of some 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:07.360 things and so I did not, I watched the game, 00:03:07.580 --> 00:03:10.770 but I watched the game. And I just watched what 00:03:10.770 --> 00:03:13.930 was happening and I did not hear any of the announcers 00:03:13.930 --> 00:03:16.509 or any of the halftime pundits or anything in 00:03:16.509 --> 00:03:20.689 their analysis. What I saw was I, I thought he 00:03:20.689 --> 00:03:23.569 was going to have a bigger day Pickens. Okay. 00:03:23.810 --> 00:03:26.909 And the guys who actually had the big day was 00:03:26.909 --> 00:03:31.289 the up and coming Flournoy and lamb had the 121 00:03:31.289 --> 00:03:36.780 yards. So until he got hurt. So that Think you 00:03:36.780 --> 00:03:39.240 were looting or your next question. Maybe it 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:41.439 was the lamb injury a turning point or something 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:44.340 in the game Well, I just wanted to deal with 00:03:44.340 --> 00:03:46.340 Pickens. I mean, I think yeah, it's a matter 00:03:46.340 --> 00:03:49.240 of I don't know. I don't know if he's given up 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:51.860 or not Alright, so our listeners I would advise 00:03:51.860 --> 00:03:53.800 you to go back to his first catch and see how 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:57.979 he gets up My take is that he's injured Given 00:03:57.979 --> 00:04:01.699 his history and the Steelers do not punt on guys 00:04:01.699 --> 00:04:04.770 that they draft high that they like Clearly they 00:04:04.770 --> 00:04:08.189 didn't like something about him and the head 00:04:08.189 --> 00:04:11.330 coach Schottenheimer now had to have a meeting 00:04:11.330 --> 00:04:14.729 because of cryptic tweets and social media presence 00:04:14.729 --> 00:04:18.209 from one George Pickens. It's the Cowboys. If 00:04:18.209 --> 00:04:20.689 they could ever eliminate the drama, they could 00:04:20.689 --> 00:04:25.350 actually be a competitive team. Pickens has been 00:04:25.350 --> 00:04:28.250 an injury. prone receiver to a degree in his 00:04:28.250 --> 00:04:30.870 past. He's a little bit of a leg lamp, fragile. 00:04:31.350 --> 00:04:35.069 So we want to be careful. You like that? Oh, 00:04:35.290 --> 00:04:37.269 I love that Christmas reference. I don't know, 00:04:37.370 --> 00:04:39.350 though, that he was quitting on his team. He 00:04:39.350 --> 00:04:42.089 may have felt something and just backed it off 00:04:42.089 --> 00:04:44.750 in the left. I think he either dislocated a shoulder 00:04:44.750 --> 00:04:48.110 or was concussed, which leads me to my next question 00:04:48.110 --> 00:04:50.810 that was not on our pre -show list. So I'm going 00:04:50.810 --> 00:04:52.569 to give you a moment to think about this. OK, 00:04:52.769 --> 00:04:55.149 please do. Because injuries were abundant. CD 00:04:55.149 --> 00:04:57.250 Lamb, obviously the key to the game. So we're 00:04:57.250 --> 00:04:59.269 talking about injuries, Chet, and your question 00:04:59.269 --> 00:05:02.129 is going to be, I think the Ford Field Turf might 00:05:02.129 --> 00:05:04.870 be the worst in the league. You think so? Not 00:05:04.870 --> 00:05:07.970 named. Giant Stadium. I'm going to keep talking 00:05:07.970 --> 00:05:10.490 while you digest this. Do we need to do a turf 00:05:10.490 --> 00:05:13.889 analysis? Well, like when was that turf installed 00:05:13.889 --> 00:05:17.550 and have they reinstalled since? Chet, I actually 00:05:17.550 --> 00:05:20.050 did a little bit of legwork on this, and it is 00:05:20.050 --> 00:05:23.550 not ranked in the bottom five. Really? In any 00:05:23.550 --> 00:05:28.649 of the NFL PA Association reveals. However, those 00:05:28.649 --> 00:05:31.889 mysteriously just went down because the NFL owners 00:05:31.889 --> 00:05:34.370 asked the Players Association to take those down. 00:05:35.589 --> 00:05:38.370 Interesting. But what I did dig up, it is not 00:05:38.370 --> 00:05:41.949 a very good track. And you're going to hear it 00:05:41.949 --> 00:05:45.050 first on this pod, Detroit Lions litter box. 00:05:45.389 --> 00:05:49.149 Grow grass indoors, Fordfield. Like they did 00:05:49.149 --> 00:05:52.689 for the World Cup in 1994. If you can do it at 00:05:52.689 --> 00:05:54.149 the Silverdome, you can do it now. If you can 00:05:54.149 --> 00:05:55.910 grow something at the Silverdome, you can grow 00:05:55.910 --> 00:05:58.589 it anywhere. In your backyard, you have my alma 00:05:58.589 --> 00:06:00.449 mater and many of our listeners' alma mater. 00:06:00.810 --> 00:06:03.889 one of the, if not the finest turf grass management 00:06:03.889 --> 00:06:06.189 schools in the country, Michigan State University. 00:06:06.629 --> 00:06:09.209 Right down the road. You grow that track indoors 00:06:09.209 --> 00:06:12.029 and you make it work because I agree and they 00:06:12.029 --> 00:06:14.670 can roll that stuff in and out like they do it, 00:06:14.790 --> 00:06:16.850 what do they do that in Arizona? Don't they roll 00:06:16.850 --> 00:06:19.149 it in and out the end of the stadium? Do something 00:06:19.149 --> 00:06:21.490 creative like that. Get Michigan State involved, 00:06:21.629 --> 00:06:23.550 throw them some dockets to get things going. 00:06:23.930 --> 00:06:26.240 Yeah. I agree with that wholeheartedly. I'd like 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.079 to see real turf indoors. And if they grew something 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:31.819 in the Silverdome, the Silverdome, nothing lived 00:06:31.819 --> 00:06:34.899 in there. There was no living. There was no prospect 00:06:34.899 --> 00:06:37.279 for life inside of the Silverdome as much as 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:40.139 we love the Silverdome. No, we didn't. No, we 00:06:40.139 --> 00:06:42.540 remember. No, we did not love it. You're going 00:06:42.540 --> 00:06:45.199 to tell me there wasn't a little romance to a 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:48.399 smoke filled interior stadium like that that 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:50.079 you could bear. If you were in the upper deck 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:52.459 during a Pistons game, you could barely see the 00:06:52.459 --> 00:06:54.740 floor. And the curtains. It was like the world's 00:06:54.740 --> 00:06:57.620 largest clam bake. It was incredible. OK, let's 00:06:57.620 --> 00:07:00.540 go back to the curtains. Very sexy. The curtains 00:07:00.540 --> 00:07:04.339 were super sexy. So Silverdome memories are as 00:07:04.339 --> 00:07:09.620 foul as fun. Even if you showed up 15 minutes 00:07:09.620 --> 00:07:13.089 before kickoff to an hour before kickoff. There 00:07:13.089 --> 00:07:16.250 was already a smoke fill haze even after they 00:07:16.250 --> 00:07:18.629 banned smoking. It was as if the guys like vacuuming 00:07:18.629 --> 00:07:21.149 the turf in there were smoking just chain smoking 00:07:21.149 --> 00:07:23.629 the whole day or something before you got there. 00:07:23.970 --> 00:07:27.769 The turf was literally painted concrete and then 00:07:27.769 --> 00:07:30.490 my other memory is this there were never enough 00:07:30.490 --> 00:07:34.430 men's rooms and so we have listeners and friends 00:07:34.430 --> 00:07:36.709 that are permanently scarred by the bathroom 00:07:36.709 --> 00:07:41.139 lines at the silver dome. There are. I do remember 00:07:41.139 --> 00:07:45.139 grown men peeing in the sink at the Silverdome, 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:47.959 which is absolutely disgusting, and I've never 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:51.259 seen that in all my visits to all the stadiums 00:07:51.259 --> 00:07:54.139 elsewhere in this country and abroad. They don't 00:07:54.139 --> 00:07:55.920 do that in Spain. They don't do that in England. 00:07:56.019 --> 00:07:59.279 They don't do that in Scotland. It was a filthy, 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:02.339 awful place. My favorite part. But they grew 00:08:02.339 --> 00:08:04.680 grass there in 94, and that tells me you can 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:07.779 do it anywhere. Exactly. One last Silverdome 00:08:07.779 --> 00:08:09.839 thought. Yes. Your favorite thought in mine was 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:12.819 when you were a little kid, the wind pushing 00:08:12.819 --> 00:08:15.399 you out of the stadium because of the inflation 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:19.000 of the dome. The turnstile doors. It was incredible. 00:08:19.860 --> 00:08:21.899 You'd hit that and you'd get so excited. You're 00:08:21.899 --> 00:08:23.319 like, I'm going to get thrown into the parking 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.420 lot from here. Yeah, it was awesome. That and 00:08:25.420 --> 00:08:28.180 when the lion stunk. you would just take like 00:08:28.180 --> 00:08:29.939 a quarter off and go outside and play football 00:08:29.939 --> 00:08:32.559 on the hill outside the doors exactly exactly 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:34.759 that was i think i spent like an entire game 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:36.820 out there once because they were so bad anyhow 00:08:36.820 --> 00:08:39.960 let's go back really good in and out privileges 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:42.679 yes for a pro stadium very much so you could 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:44.600 just kind of go in and out as you pleased all 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:46.960 right so i'm back to the turf monster this was 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.000 my question for you so cd lamb goes down that 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:53.059 clearly probably didn't hurt the Lions. It definitely 00:08:53.059 --> 00:08:55.639 hurt the Cowboys. The Lions win, but the Lions 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:58.440 do not come out of this unscathed. Now Brian 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.820 Branch is injured. He snapped his Achilles. He 00:09:01.820 --> 00:09:05.720 is done for the year. We also lost Thomas Harper, 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:09.440 second defensive play of the game to a concussion. 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:14.730 We don't have any safeties left, do we? I don't 00:09:14.730 --> 00:09:18.129 think we have a whole lot of anything left at 00:09:18.129 --> 00:09:20.409 this point. Our defense, I was thinking about 00:09:20.409 --> 00:09:24.850 this today, are the injuries this season, the 00:09:24.850 --> 00:09:27.129 injury dilemma this season worse than it was 00:09:27.129 --> 00:09:30.549 last season? I think it is. I think we've lost 00:09:30.549 --> 00:09:35.090 more key cogs and pieces and had more influx 00:09:35.090 --> 00:09:37.889 in and out. Now granted, we lost Hutch last season. 00:09:37.909 --> 00:09:40.370 That was awful. We lost Anzaloni for a couple 00:09:40.370 --> 00:09:43.500 games last season. That was awful. I think Branch 00:09:43.500 --> 00:09:46.519 was kind of in and out likewise at times. We've 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.879 lost more this season though in volume than we 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:52.940 did last season and I think it's making running 00:09:52.940 --> 00:09:56.120 a defense very difficult. 100 % because last 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:57.919 year it was just on one side of the ball and 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:00.899 it was mainly the defensive line. However, when 00:10:00.899 --> 00:10:03.759 Aileen McNeil got hurt and was lost for the season, 00:10:04.019 --> 00:10:06.940 we'd already lost Hutch. But I feel the same 00:10:06.940 --> 00:10:10.539 way now with Branch going out with Terryon Arnold 00:10:10.539 --> 00:10:14.529 out. with the unknown question mark of is Kirby 00:10:14.529 --> 00:10:18.149 Joseph going to be back ever? And now Thomas 00:10:18.149 --> 00:10:20.769 Harper's played well for a backup second year 00:10:20.769 --> 00:10:23.769 player from Notre Dame. He's been more than adequate. 00:10:24.649 --> 00:10:27.870 And if he misses significant time, Chet, we don't 00:10:27.870 --> 00:10:32.029 have, you're talking about Avante Maddox is like 00:10:32.029 --> 00:10:36.769 our go -to safety. Matthew Stafford and Aaron 00:10:36.769 --> 00:10:40.710 Rodgers and hell even JJ McCarthy are going to 00:10:40.710 --> 00:10:44.570 feast on that. I have a feeling Shepard's only 00:10:44.570 --> 00:10:47.009 game plan from here on out is going to be having 00:10:47.009 --> 00:10:49.809 all out blitz all game long. Kind of. I don't 00:10:49.809 --> 00:10:52.690 think you can do it. Like Aaron Glenn did last 00:10:52.690 --> 00:10:55.250 season. He's gonna have to go to the all -out 00:10:55.250 --> 00:10:59.350 blitz every play and hope to God that somebody 00:10:59.350 --> 00:11:02.110 plays some sort of defensive backfield when they 00:11:02.110 --> 00:11:04.950 are able to get rid of a ball because I don't 00:11:04.950 --> 00:11:09.549 see a world where we are going to rely on these 00:11:09.549 --> 00:11:12.529 D backs covering anybody going forward. It's 00:11:12.529 --> 00:11:15.169 going to have to be putting pressure on slower 00:11:15.940 --> 00:11:18.659 Older quarterbacks and getting them to make mistakes 00:11:18.659 --> 00:11:21.100 that are just so egregious and or sacking them 00:11:21.100 --> 00:11:23.679 It's just and and by the way, what will actually 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:26.100 somewhat help is getting that lead and just keeping 00:11:26.100 --> 00:11:29.159 the offenses off the field Running at a lead 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:32.860 run the ball beat up the clock, keep the offenses 00:11:32.860 --> 00:11:35.419 off the field, fewer opportunities to score, 00:11:35.779 --> 00:11:38.799 yada, yada, yada. But yeah, we're in a situation 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:40.679 now where we're going to have to game plan around 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:43.539 this. So we're eight and five. We're on the outside 00:11:43.539 --> 00:11:45.820 looking in for the playoffs. We got good news 00:11:45.820 --> 00:11:48.139 yesterday, which is also why we deliberately 00:11:48.139 --> 00:11:50.860 did this pod. The Packers beat the Bears. We 00:11:50.860 --> 00:11:52.879 don't like the Packers ever winning. However, 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:54.600 somebody had to win the game and it actually 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:56.519 helps the Lions because they still have a game 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:59.559 to play against the Bears. So there's an opportunity 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:00.960 there for the Lions to get into the playoffs. 00:12:01.659 --> 00:12:04.360 Here's where I'm going to go, Chad. I have a 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:07.240 few thoughts on what needs to happen and I'm 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.679 curious to hear your retort on some of this. 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:12.940 The injuries are widespread because it's on both 00:12:12.940 --> 00:12:14.740 sides of the ball. You know, last year it was 00:12:14.740 --> 00:12:16.840 just one side of the ball. Now we've got Laporta. 00:12:17.340 --> 00:12:20.529 We've got Kalief Raymond, even though Go figure. 00:12:21.090 --> 00:12:24.470 You've said this all season. Tom Kennedy, TK85's 00:12:24.470 --> 00:12:26.110 a revelation in the return game. I'm going to 00:12:26.110 --> 00:12:29.610 tell you right now. I have never been a huge 00:12:29.610 --> 00:12:32.789 Khalifa Inman fan. I've not been against him 00:12:32.789 --> 00:12:35.009 out there being out there. He's done some great 00:12:35.009 --> 00:12:37.610 things. But I also was always kind of wondering 00:12:37.610 --> 00:12:40.129 if he was the best at seeing those seams and 00:12:40.129 --> 00:12:42.570 whatnot in the return game. Seems to always kind 00:12:42.570 --> 00:12:45.169 of do a little too much. Tom Kennedy catches 00:12:45.169 --> 00:12:47.210 a ball and it's like a bolt of lightning for 00:12:47.210 --> 00:12:49.970 the first seam he sees. And he hits that seam. 00:12:50.169 --> 00:12:53.309 A lot of the times in these past two games, he's 00:12:53.309 --> 00:12:55.129 hit that seam. I have an appreciation for that 00:12:55.129 --> 00:12:58.029 guy. And if you saw the post game, when, you 00:12:58.029 --> 00:13:01.909 know, the Dan Campbell game ball situation, he 00:13:01.909 --> 00:13:05.129 gave a game ball to TK 85 and the locker room 00:13:05.129 --> 00:13:08.370 went absolutely crazy. These guys love that guy. 00:13:08.789 --> 00:13:11.649 So these are the kind of I don't want to call 00:13:11.649 --> 00:13:14.750 them a glue piece. OK, but these are the romantic 00:13:14.750 --> 00:13:16.950 little stories that can get intertwined in a 00:13:16.950 --> 00:13:19.250 season and pick a team up just a notch or two 00:13:19.250 --> 00:13:22.190 as they're going through difficult times. These 00:13:22.190 --> 00:13:24.350 injury things. I mean, it's like we're climbing 00:13:24.350 --> 00:13:27.740 Everest. Every week we climb Everest we finally 00:13:27.740 --> 00:13:30.360 get to the top and then you realize jeez I got 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.200 to do the Hillary step I got to do the most nuanced 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.899 piece of the climb just to get to the peak It's 00:13:35.899 --> 00:13:38.820 like every injury is a Hillary step chat a great 00:13:38.820 --> 00:13:41.440 analogy, but no, they're only at base camp They 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:44.840 are actually really having gotten up past. Okay. 00:13:45.259 --> 00:13:48.539 Yeah, so as we wrap this up because Litterbox 00:13:48.539 --> 00:13:51.059 lions listeners, we will give you a preview of 00:13:51.059 --> 00:13:54.730 the Rams Full detail once we get injury reports 00:13:54.730 --> 00:13:57.269 probably come late Thursday early Friday game 00:13:57.269 --> 00:14:00.970 balls Obviously TK 85 if it's good enough he 00:14:00.970 --> 00:14:03.169 gets one Campbell Yes, the other guy that got 00:14:03.169 --> 00:14:06.870 one was our guy Bob Muhammad three sacks Bob 00:14:06.870 --> 00:14:09.230 Came out all we had to do was call him out on 00:14:09.230 --> 00:14:11.149 the pod for not doing anything three weeks ago 00:14:11.149 --> 00:14:13.070 And the next thing you know he gets a sack two 00:14:13.070 --> 00:14:15.769 back -to -back games. Hell three in this one. 00:14:15.769 --> 00:14:18.250 Love it Sorry, we might lose our PGA rating on 00:14:18.250 --> 00:14:21.179 that now It's just an AG double hockey stick. 00:14:21.340 --> 00:14:24.960 It's Bob. It's Bob. It's Bob Ahmed. And by the 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:26.820 way, I want to call something else out that I 00:14:26.820 --> 00:14:28.700 don't think that may have slid through the wickets 00:14:28.700 --> 00:14:32.679 here. Our guy, Tylek Williams, is now starting 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:35.240 to get talked about as one of the top D tackles 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.500 in the league at the moment. Which is excellent. 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:40.779 He also gets a game ball, and I appreciate that. 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:42.960 Can we circle back to him in just one second? 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:45.279 Other two game balls are on the offensive side. 00:14:45.460 --> 00:14:47.419 Jameer Gibbs from here on out gets a game ball 00:14:47.419 --> 00:14:51.009 every game and Here's the guy that I would say 00:14:51.009 --> 00:14:55.070 is the MVP of this team. Could barely walk before 00:14:55.070 --> 00:14:57.009 the game. I don't know what they put in that 00:14:57.009 --> 00:15:01.289 leg or an ankle. I don't know. If MCDC has a 00:15:01.289 --> 00:15:04.669 player that represents grit, biting kneecaps, 00:15:04.870 --> 00:15:08.330 it has to be the Sun God. And the Sun God playing 00:15:08.330 --> 00:15:12.629 is what won that game for the Lions. And I just, 00:15:12.950 --> 00:15:15.730 he also gets a game ball in a game. Any game 00:15:15.730 --> 00:15:18.889 he plays he and Gibbs get it and then let's get 00:15:18.889 --> 00:15:21.750 back to our guy Williams because gosh darn it 00:15:21.750 --> 00:15:25.190 Brad Holmes has been getting beat up and he nailed 00:15:25.190 --> 00:15:29.580 it taking him by this podcast at time, but Tyleek 00:15:29.580 --> 00:15:34.259 is a top 12 de -tackle now per PFF. I mean, you're 00:15:34.259 --> 00:15:36.200 doing a soft clap. You're doing an interesting 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:37.740 soft clap right now. It was weird. It looked 00:15:37.740 --> 00:15:40.259 like you had flippers or something. But at the 00:15:40.259 --> 00:15:44.240 same time, he's very, he kind of goes about his 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:47.000 work silently. You don't hear his name called 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:49.659 a lot during the game, but then you go back and 00:15:49.659 --> 00:15:51.080 think about it. It's like, oh, Gervonta Williams, 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:53.480 I had 67 rushing yards in this game. Gervonta 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:55.480 Williams has been great all season long. against 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:59.460 very good D lines. Now you put McNeil and Tylek 00:15:59.460 --> 00:16:01.460 in the middle there and Lopez has been doing 00:16:01.460 --> 00:16:03.909 his share. As you said, he'll be gone end of 00:16:03.909 --> 00:16:05.929 season. He's had a great season, too. I think 00:16:05.929 --> 00:16:07.750 Tyleka is starting to get more opportunities, 00:16:07.929 --> 00:16:10.090 though. I think he's working his way into that 00:16:10.090 --> 00:16:12.929 lineup a lot more. I'll be curious to see how 00:16:12.929 --> 00:16:16.129 he his development progresses. Can I actually 00:16:16.129 --> 00:16:18.970 give you the key that I think led to his getting 00:16:18.970 --> 00:16:21.409 a game ball? And we should also give like an 00:16:21.409 --> 00:16:24.730 honorary nod. McNeil didn't have to be on the 00:16:24.730 --> 00:16:28.090 outside. He actually got to play the position 00:16:28.090 --> 00:16:32.279 that Bob did his job. And Hutch, fed off of that, 00:16:32.700 --> 00:16:35.500 probably helped Bob do his job. I mean, when 00:16:35.500 --> 00:16:38.240 they don't have to double an end and he's doing 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:39.740 a good job, he's going to get around. Like you 00:16:39.740 --> 00:16:41.779 saw Bob was one -on -one almost all game long 00:16:41.779 --> 00:16:44.919 and he was able to crush the guy. It also helped 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:48.360 having backup tackles. But anyhow, we digress. 00:16:48.620 --> 00:16:50.519 All right. Last thing on this. And this is a 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:53.720 Hutch thought for you. I personally think and. 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.019 I'm not alone. I've heard other media sorts. 00:16:57.179 --> 00:17:00.100 He plays every friggin snap. Yep. And you look 00:17:00.100 --> 00:17:03.240 at Miles Garret. He rarely sits. He rarely sits. 00:17:03.419 --> 00:17:06.839 If you look at Miles Garret. I know exactly where 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:08.700 you're going with this. If you look at Micah 00:17:08.700 --> 00:17:11.119 Parsons. Yeah. And then let's talk about. They're 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:13.299 going two snaps every four downs, basically. 00:17:13.619 --> 00:17:16.160 The Bosa's would. Well, the Bosa that's healthy 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:18.779 and then Max Crosby, right? Is that kind of our. 00:17:18.910 --> 00:17:22.650 They're very situational. I think Crosby probably, 00:17:22.650 --> 00:17:25.829 yeah, I think Crosby probably gets more snaps 00:17:25.829 --> 00:17:29.470 than like Parsons and Garrett. But yeah, he's 00:17:29.470 --> 00:17:31.450 also playing for a team that's won like three 00:17:31.450 --> 00:17:34.970 games. Exactly. He's as mismanaged possibly as 00:17:34.970 --> 00:17:37.089 Aiden is. But I was going to say this earlier 00:17:37.089 --> 00:17:39.289 on when we were kind of giving Aiden some hell. 00:17:39.670 --> 00:17:43.250 Aiden plays easily, easily three, if not four 00:17:43.250 --> 00:17:47.460 downs a series. And he's on the field 80 % of 00:17:47.460 --> 00:17:50.559 another team's possession. So these other guys 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:52.880 are out there half the time. I mean Parsons is 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.000 out there half the time. Garrett is out there 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.759 half the time. Crosby, probably a little over 00:17:57.759 --> 00:17:59.960 half the time. These guys aren't being asked 00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:02.160 to play four downs a series. They're asked to 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.039 play one or two. They come in situationally almost, 00:18:05.059 --> 00:18:07.599 like a closer or something in a baseball game. 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:10.339 So, you know, you get in a third and eight, let's 00:18:10.339 --> 00:18:12.400 bring Parsons in to put the heat on, but don't 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:14.380 leave them in there first and 10 and second and 00:18:14.380 --> 00:18:17.519 five and all that. So maybe they do need to manage 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:20.140 Aiden a little more. Maybe that's the key here. 00:18:20.299 --> 00:18:23.180 Do they manage him well enough? Do they keep 00:18:23.180 --> 00:18:25.740 his engine fresh? I don't know. Does he want 00:18:25.740 --> 00:18:28.539 it that way? He might like to be out there. Good 00:18:28.539 --> 00:18:30.920 point, though. It's a great call out. All right. 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:34.960 So let's celebrate the victory. We have a 325 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.440 Central Standard Time, 425 Eastern Standard Time 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.640 tilt against the Rams. Expect a preview later 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.500 this week. Let's target Friday for that to be 00:18:44.500 --> 00:18:47.160 published and out there. Lovely. Can't wait to 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:50.200 see you all. There we thank you for listening. 00:18:50.460 --> 00:18:53.420 Go Honolulu blue and silver, go Lions. And thank 00:18:53.420 --> 00:18:55.160 you for listening to the Detroit Lions litter 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:55.500 box.