WEBVTT 00:00:06.620 --> 00:00:11.880 This is The Litterbox, a Detroit Lions podcast 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:15.660 with your hosts, Chet West and Bill Patterson. 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:21.399 Detroit Lions Litterbox listeners. Welcome to 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:24.820 another episode of your Detroit Lions Litterbox. 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:28.120 I'm your host, Billy P with Chet West. The Lions 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:31.559 want to clunker. they escaped the Giants in overtime 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:35.939 yesterday chat and They won at 34 -27 basically 00:00:35.939 --> 00:00:38.600 because Jameer Gibbs put on his Superman cape 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:41.840 outside of that The only other offensive players 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.960 that really even bothered to show up were the 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.840 Sun God st. Brown and Penne Sewell The interior 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:52.039 of the offensive line is an absolute mess chat 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:55.700 Jared Goff does not have time to drop back and 00:00:55.700 --> 00:00:59.909 get to a second third or even fourth reads And 00:00:59.909 --> 00:01:03.630 I've got some shots to fire at management just 00:01:03.630 --> 00:01:06.590 on roster construction and lack thereof. But 00:01:06.590 --> 00:01:08.590 I want to get your thoughts on this one first. 00:01:09.010 --> 00:01:12.730 I think you're trending towards a sky is falling 00:01:12.730 --> 00:01:17.730 narrative here. This is the NFL can week out. 00:01:17.930 --> 00:01:20.829 This is the NFL. This is what you get. This is 00:01:20.829 --> 00:01:24.469 what you get with parody. But the New York Giants, 00:01:24.469 --> 00:01:28.329 I think we made a mistake. in assessing and the 00:01:28.329 --> 00:01:30.069 Lions players tried to tell us this all week. 00:01:30.450 --> 00:01:32.329 But I think in our previous podcast, we made 00:01:32.329 --> 00:01:34.730 a mistake in assessing them as this weakling 00:01:34.730 --> 00:01:37.930 that we should pound dude solely to their record. 00:01:38.790 --> 00:01:41.750 The Giants sort of reminded me in a lot of ways 00:01:41.750 --> 00:01:44.450 of that three and 13 Lions team back in what 00:01:44.450 --> 00:01:49.370 was a 2021, the first year of the Holmes Campbell 00:01:49.370 --> 00:01:54.040 regime. They've got a lot of fight. They are 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:56.680 middle of the pack in defensive numbers. They 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.939 are at the top 10 in rushing. Now, that doesn't 00:01:59.939 --> 00:02:02.859 look like a, you know, a patsy to me. That doesn't 00:02:02.859 --> 00:02:05.319 look like somebody we are going to be expected 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.259 to crush. They are missing neighbors. They were 00:02:08.259 --> 00:02:10.800 missing Dart, but they filled it in with James 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.699 Winston, who's I mean, that guy, he actually 00:02:14.699 --> 00:02:17.599 is our worst nightmare because he's he's a quarterback 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:20.379 who's a gunslinger. So he's just going to be 00:02:20.379 --> 00:02:23.669 out there throwing wild on us. without without 00:02:23.669 --> 00:02:25.810 anything to lose. And that's when we're going 00:02:25.810 --> 00:02:28.349 to lose that game. Our defensive backfield, obviously, 00:02:28.770 --> 00:02:32.030 obviously is beat up and needs help. Our pass 00:02:32.030 --> 00:02:35.169 rush was not the best I've ever seen it in that 00:02:35.169 --> 00:02:39.590 game at all. Our offensive line, I mean, even 00:02:39.590 --> 00:02:42.830 Goff and everybody else on the team that were 00:02:42.830 --> 00:02:44.710 interviewed after this game talked about the 00:02:44.710 --> 00:02:47.810 struggles of our offensive line, but the Lions 00:02:47.810 --> 00:02:50.889 pulled it out. Good teams with good culture pull 00:02:50.889 --> 00:02:53.219 a win out in that game. They find a way to win 00:02:53.219 --> 00:02:55.099 and they move along. Look at every other team. 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.800 The Giants have played so many one score games 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:00.879 this season. I think their last two or three 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:02.580 games came down to the final minutes and those 00:03:02.580 --> 00:03:05.919 are against good teams. Packers, Cowboys. These 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:08.719 are not, you know, this is not a pushover team. 00:03:08.860 --> 00:03:12.539 I think we drastically underestimated the challenge 00:03:12.539 --> 00:03:15.900 in front of us. Potentially. I'm going to take 00:03:15.900 --> 00:03:19.120 a different take on that. The Giants thought 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:22.580 so little of the Detroit Lions beating them that 00:03:22.580 --> 00:03:24.800 Shane Bowen their defensive coordinator is now 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.879 fired So that is some of the breaking news that 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:30.599 we're gonna give you and then Giants right tackle 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:35.659 Jermain you Luman or slams Aiden Hutchinson I'm 00:03:35.659 --> 00:03:37.379 not gonna read the entire thing, but I would 00:03:37.379 --> 00:03:40.139 suggest every listener does this how do I say 00:03:40.139 --> 00:03:42.340 this respectfully he did not do a damn thing 00:03:42.340 --> 00:03:47.439 all bleep in game and Basically the tape shows 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.530 us that Aiden Hutchinson didn't have a good game 00:03:50.530 --> 00:03:53.430 save the last play of the game when he and McNeil 00:03:53.430 --> 00:03:57.150 got home and did sack Winston. Aside from that, 00:03:57.150 --> 00:04:01.550 he was largely vacant. We can skip forward chat 00:04:01.550 --> 00:04:04.590 and we'll do game balls. Jamar Gibbs gets one 00:04:04.590 --> 00:04:08.710 and Jake Fox gets one. Jake Bates gets one. And 00:04:08.710 --> 00:04:13.490 that is it for me. I'm going to give one. You're 00:04:13.490 --> 00:04:15.969 going to give one to Gibbs for sure. I'm going 00:04:15.969 --> 00:04:19.350 to give one to Sewell and Ratledge. They run 00:04:19.350 --> 00:04:21.529 blocking over that right side of the line is 00:04:21.529 --> 00:04:24.230 what broke Gibbs on all those plays and he went 00:04:24.230 --> 00:04:27.269 untouched, okay? And they opened those holes. 00:04:27.730 --> 00:04:30.029 So I'm gonna give one to those two guys. They 00:04:30.029 --> 00:04:33.250 did a pretty serviceable job over there. I'm 00:04:33.250 --> 00:04:35.470 fine with that and I think that's a very good 00:04:35.470 --> 00:04:39.889 take on your part as well. On defense, the only 00:04:39.889 --> 00:04:42.310 ball I would potentially give out would be to 00:04:42.310 --> 00:04:45.569 one Roy Lopez who had six tackles, tackle for 00:04:45.569 --> 00:04:48.819 a loss. Outside of that, the defense, I mean, 00:04:49.060 --> 00:04:51.060 let's talk about Jamis Winston catching that 00:04:51.060 --> 00:04:53.879 touchdown where he not only got Derek Barnes 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:56.699 spun around, Derek Barnes wrapped him up and 00:04:56.699 --> 00:04:59.680 couldn't bring him to the ground. This leads 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:02.980 to my next topic, which is, you know, you extended 00:05:02.980 --> 00:05:07.439 Jamis and Williams, who was not present yesterday, 00:05:07.860 --> 00:05:10.660 not a difference maker. Yep. You extended Hutch, 00:05:10.779 --> 00:05:12.740 who was not a Difference Maker yesterday. You 00:05:12.740 --> 00:05:14.699 extended Barnes, who was not a Difference Maker 00:05:14.699 --> 00:05:18.199 yesterday. You extended Levi Onzerike, who can't 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.199 seem to get on the field because his back is 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.360 always bothering him. And I want to highlight 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:27.040 the 2024 draft. And here's why I have concern 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.579 for this franchise going forward. It's not one 00:05:29.579 --> 00:05:32.420 loss yet. It's the fact that they had an entire 00:05:32.420 --> 00:05:35.779 draft. This would be year two of that draft. 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:39.610 These should be your major contributors on the 00:05:39.610 --> 00:05:42.089 playing field this season. And right now, it 00:05:42.089 --> 00:05:44.910 looks like Terri -Ann Arnold injured. I mean, 00:05:45.209 --> 00:05:47.970 concussions happen. It's a violent sport. Enis 00:05:47.970 --> 00:05:50.230 Reykstra always hurt in college. Enis Reykstra 00:05:50.230 --> 00:05:53.449 always hurting with the Lions. Giovanni Manu, 00:05:53.449 --> 00:05:57.870 who they traded up to get, played Canadian football 00:05:57.870 --> 00:06:01.810 up in British Columbia. He's a reach, can't seem 00:06:01.810 --> 00:06:06.180 to find the field. And then they drafted Vahki 00:06:06.180 --> 00:06:09.500 is a, he was a safety at Utah, played a little 00:06:09.500 --> 00:06:11.759 bit of running back. The Lions thought they were 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:13.240 the smartest guys in the room and could make 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:15.839 him a running back. A, it's a position of strength. 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.339 B, he's been a special team or win healthy. So 00:06:19.339 --> 00:06:22.720 that's a reach. You're not drafting special teamers 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.839 in the third and fourth rounds. Then they go 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:30.470 after. Makai Wingo who even his own coaches at 00:06:30.470 --> 00:06:33.569 Louisiana State Chet said that he at the point 00:06:33.569 --> 00:06:36.769 of attack at six feet tall is too short to really 00:06:36.769 --> 00:06:40.310 create massive leverage. He hasn't seen the field 00:06:40.310 --> 00:06:43.629 whatsoever. Again, he's too short. And then you've 00:06:43.629 --> 00:06:45.750 got Christian Mahogany who might be the best 00:06:45.750 --> 00:06:48.870 draft pick of this but is injured this year and 00:06:48.870 --> 00:06:55.009 out. So you had a 2024 draft with no one contributing. 00:06:56.100 --> 00:07:00.019 in 2025. And that is where I want to say that 00:07:00.019 --> 00:07:03.240 I think this team, if it falls short in its quest 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.800 to reach its first Super Bowl, that's going to 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.220 be a major factor to it. The sky's not falling 00:07:09.220 --> 00:07:12.220 in. I'm not predicting doom and gloom, but I 00:07:12.220 --> 00:07:15.720 would be remiss if we didn't talk about this 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:19.220 chat, because that's a huge factor. I would, 00:07:19.220 --> 00:07:21.519 I would agree with you to some extent. I think 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:24.319 some of the gambles in the last two drafts. We're 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:29.720 not, we're not, uh, we're not good gambles. Best 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.759 way to put it. You've Manu obviously to slot 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:35.899 doesn't seem to be producing on the field right 00:07:35.899 --> 00:07:39.699 now. Two guys that they traded up to grab and, 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.000 and we're criticized for doing so in both instances. 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:46.899 I'm not ready to say Brad Holmes needs to take 00:07:46.899 --> 00:07:51.000 a hike here. 2021, 2022, 2023 were some of the 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:53.680 best drafts probably for this team in history 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.920 and probably in all of the NFL in those years. 00:07:57.899 --> 00:08:00.199 2024 draft definitely leaves something to be 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:02.920 desired. Taryn Arnold is not. done what they 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:06.220 were hoping he would do. They did not draft corners 00:08:06.220 --> 00:08:08.259 for three straight years and then they decided 00:08:08.259 --> 00:08:10.459 we got to get some corners in here to fill some 00:08:10.459 --> 00:08:13.800 gaps. I have two theories about professional 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.699 football. One, the cornerback position and the 00:08:16.699 --> 00:08:18.980 offensive line position take some seasoning before 00:08:18.980 --> 00:08:22.220 you see any results. I like veteran cornerbacks. 00:08:22.860 --> 00:08:25.259 I like veteran alignment. That's just me. You 00:08:25.259 --> 00:08:27.240 can throw all the stats in the world at me to 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:29.600 prove me wrong on that. Those are the guys that 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:33.419 I trust the most. And so it takes a few years 00:08:33.419 --> 00:08:36.480 to see that fruit bear out. Ratledge is already 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.860 showing he can do some things at the right guard 00:08:38.860 --> 00:08:41.899 position. Unfortunately, we have a center right 00:08:41.899 --> 00:08:44.820 now that is way below, performing way below the 00:08:44.820 --> 00:08:46.919 league. They will need to address that in the 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:49.080 off season. They've got to address that center 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:50.820 position, whether it's through the draft, which 00:08:50.820 --> 00:08:53.200 I really hope it's not, because again, it'll 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:55.259 take years to get somebody up to speed or if 00:08:55.259 --> 00:08:59.279 it's getting a free agent. So Brad Holmes, I'll 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:02.960 agree with you a bit. 2024 draft is light 2025 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:06.159 draft who knows maybe ratledge ends up an all 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:07.940 -pro and we got an all -pro guard right next 00:09:07.940 --> 00:09:11.080 to an all -pro right tackle maybe he doesn't 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:14.059 we'll all wait a bit and see what happens there 00:09:14.059 --> 00:09:16.500 i do agree with you to agree the last two drafts 00:09:16.500 --> 00:09:20.200 have not been what the first three were now Well, 00:09:20.259 --> 00:09:23.240 I wasn't even going after last year's draft because 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:25.639 I think Williams has been a plug -and -play starter 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:28.779 from day one. That's round one. Ratledge plug 00:09:28.779 --> 00:09:32.220 -and -play round two. So he's had maybe one bad 00:09:32.220 --> 00:09:34.700 draft so far and you want to skewer him for that. 00:09:34.820 --> 00:09:37.539 But he's had like three excellent drafts and 00:09:37.539 --> 00:09:40.720 one we don't know yet. Probably okay. I mean 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:43.279 the class of the NFL right now defending Super 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:45.720 Bowl champions are the Philadelphia Eagles. They 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:49.000 don't miss on drafts ever. And so my point is, 00:09:49.100 --> 00:09:53.539 if he goes 0 for 7 in one draft, it's too soon. 00:09:54.259 --> 00:09:56.419 That is something that will come back to bite 00:09:56.419 --> 00:09:58.080 and haunt a team for a number of years. I think 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.460 you can give the general manager one bad draft. 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:04.940 But. Mentioning those Eagles lost to the Cowboys 00:10:04.940 --> 00:10:08.600 yesterday in overtime. This league is tough. 00:10:08.740 --> 00:10:11.000 I mean the parity is incredible. Look at these 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.220 teams I mean, it's it's literally every game 00:10:13.220 --> 00:10:15.399 is a one -score game isn't what is it? There's 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:19.580 a stat out there 90 % of games are decided by 00:10:19.580 --> 00:10:22.259 one score. That's it I mean the difference between 00:10:22.259 --> 00:10:26.759 a terrible team or a terrible record in the Giants 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.159 at two and ten is one score games over the course 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.100 of the whole season we saw this when the Lions 00:10:32.100 --> 00:10:35.730 struggled to It's it's not the NFL being a fan 00:10:35.730 --> 00:10:37.809 of an NFL team is not for the faint of heart. 00:10:37.929 --> 00:10:40.570 And I'm not defending Brad Holmes here. OK, I'm 00:10:40.570 --> 00:10:44.190 just saying the margin for error is so slim and 00:10:44.190 --> 00:10:47.490 matchups are such a huge piece of this. And when 00:10:47.490 --> 00:10:52.090 we get into our Packers preview here. We do not 00:10:52.090 --> 00:10:54.889 match up well against the Packers. I'll just 00:10:54.889 --> 00:10:58.580 preview my thoughts on that for you, but. They 00:10:58.580 --> 00:11:02.820 they do well against our weaknesses. So it's 00:11:02.820 --> 00:11:06.700 again I These games these one score games. It's 00:11:06.700 --> 00:11:09.320 just it can go either way and Lions of matter 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.539 break their way seven times this season so far 00:11:11.539 --> 00:11:13.460 They got six games left. I'll be curious to see 00:11:13.460 --> 00:11:16.779 what they got left. Well, let's Use that and 00:11:16.779 --> 00:11:19.059 let's talk about the Packers and okay being day 00:11:19.610 --> 00:11:22.509 So the game is moved up a half hour. So I want 00:11:22.509 --> 00:11:25.370 everybody to be aware of that It's gonna be 1 00:11:25.370 --> 00:11:27.889 p .m. Eastern or 12 p .m. Central Standard Time 00:11:27.889 --> 00:11:30.190 It used to be on the half hour, but it is moved 00:11:30.190 --> 00:11:33.750 this year right now The opening line is the Packers 00:11:33.750 --> 00:11:36.850 plus three the over -under is going to be 49 00:11:36.850 --> 00:11:40.110 and a half and the money line if you are inclined 00:11:40.110 --> 00:11:44.090 to do so is plus 135 for the Packers minus 155 00:11:44.090 --> 00:11:47.710 for the Lions to your point check what the Packers 00:11:47.710 --> 00:11:51.450 do. Well is pass rush from the interior of the 00:11:51.450 --> 00:11:55.149 D line. And that is the Lions absolute weakness 00:11:55.149 --> 00:11:58.289 right now since Graham Glasgow has been moved 00:11:58.289 --> 00:12:02.470 to center with Frank Ragnow's retirement. And 00:12:02.470 --> 00:12:06.769 so I think it's going to be a long day at the 00:12:06.769 --> 00:12:09.750 office for all of the offensive linemen for the 00:12:09.750 --> 00:12:14.529 Detroit Lions. We need you talked a little bit 00:12:14.529 --> 00:12:17.289 about in the Giants game how lackluster the defensive 00:12:17.289 --> 00:12:21.399 backs looked. I agree, but here's the thing. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.600 No defensive backfields gonna look good in an 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.860 NFL game if you can't have your front four generate 00:12:29.860 --> 00:12:32.659 a pass rush, and I don't know what was wrong 00:12:32.659 --> 00:12:34.519 with Hutchinson yesterday. I don't know if he's 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:36.399 hurt. I don't know if like the legs bothering 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:39.940 him, but he didn't show and Brad Holmes again. 00:12:39.940 --> 00:12:43.039 I don't mean to pile on but his reluctance to 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:46.179 invest in somebody opposite Aiden Hutchinson 00:12:46.809 --> 00:12:50.409 Is so prevalent and it makes the entire secondary 00:12:50.409 --> 00:12:54.269 look really really bad good news DJ reads back 00:12:54.269 --> 00:12:57.190 So at least we have our you know, one starting 00:12:57.190 --> 00:12:58.990 can I stop you there bill? I want to ask you 00:12:58.990 --> 00:13:00.990 a question because you touched on something interesting 00:13:00.990 --> 00:13:04.070 here go What do you think the difference was 00:13:04.070 --> 00:13:06.389 between the Eagles game when our defense looks 00:13:06.389 --> 00:13:09.509 so dominant and the Giants game when they looked 00:13:09.509 --> 00:13:13.100 like they couldn't defend a peewee team Think 00:13:13.100 --> 00:13:16.120 Mike Kafka came with his a game plan now that 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:19.799 he's the I guess interim head coach of the Giants 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:22.519 and I think he's viewing it as an audition I 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:25.960 also think the Giants to your point know that 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:27.759 they've got more talent there and I wouldn't 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:29.720 be surprised if the Giants are a playoff team 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:33.379 next year when Malik neighbors Jackson Dark Some 00:13:33.379 --> 00:13:36.820 some others scat about are all back healthy. 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:41.500 I mean there is young talent on this team and 00:13:41.500 --> 00:13:44.299 they've had enough early draft picks to show 00:13:44.299 --> 00:13:48.799 for that. They just haven't gotten the coaching 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.840 right. I also think the Lions are, you know, 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:55.039 you talk about the parody of the league, you're 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:58.120 going to get up for a Sunday night game against 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:01.600 national television, NBC, you know, the bright 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:03.360 lights of Philly. The little things, right? Like 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.879 it's the little motivations. Okay, now you're 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:08.000 back home for close to a month, three straight 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:09.899 games, and it's like, oh, we have to play the 00:14:09.899 --> 00:14:14.289 Giants. I am certain no lion would ever admit 00:14:14.289 --> 00:14:16.330 it, but you know, they're looking ahead to the 00:14:16.330 --> 00:14:18.830 packer game, knowing that's a must win. So to 00:14:18.830 --> 00:14:21.389 answer your question, I think they quite simply 00:14:21.389 --> 00:14:25.490 look took advantage. Right past your New York 00:14:25.490 --> 00:14:30.250 Giants, and we're hoping for the best. And fortunately, 00:14:30.250 --> 00:14:33.580 they did get a win. Fortunately, you know. Panay 00:14:33.580 --> 00:14:36.519 Sewell and Ratledge opened up huge holes for 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.279 Gibbs. We do need to give a kudo to that too. 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.840 Jameer Gibbs set Detroit Lions all time rushing 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.919 record and total yards record, which given that 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.700 Billy Simms and Barry Sanders. Yeah, I wanted 00:14:48.700 --> 00:14:50.720 to make sure that we touched on that because 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.279 what I couldn't believe was watching that defense 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:58.000 against the Eagles in Philly and then watching 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.450 them last this past Sunday. Home against the 00:15:01.450 --> 00:15:03.990 Giants. It was like two totally different defensive 00:15:03.990 --> 00:15:06.889 units. Well, and I think that's the matchup game 00:15:06.889 --> 00:15:09.509 I think that's the game scheming the you know 00:15:09.509 --> 00:15:11.789 I think that the Giants just picked at a weakness 00:15:11.789 --> 00:15:15.009 more than the Eagles did and in essence and if 00:15:15.009 --> 00:15:17.750 Hutch had a bad day at the offense I mean, he's 00:15:17.750 --> 00:15:20.429 your most important defensive player and if he's 00:15:20.429 --> 00:15:23.929 not getting home, you know, you don't have that 00:15:23.929 --> 00:15:27.590 You know yin and yang or counterpart on the other 00:15:27.590 --> 00:15:30.720 side of it. Yeah to do that. And the Giants did. 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.360 I mean, I will give Kafka and company. I mean, 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:35.379 they ran the ball when they needed to. They passed 00:15:35.379 --> 00:15:37.000 the ball and they needed to. They kept it a mixed 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:40.679 bag. And I hope Mike Kafka gets a job in the 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:42.679 NFL. I mean, from what little I've seen, I think 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:45.840 he deserves it. All right. Now we can put the 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:47.799 Giants to bed. I wanted you to go through that 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.559 real quick just to sort of sort that out for 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:52.600 the listeners. And let's let's move on to the 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:54.700 Packers game. I'm curious to hear your thoughts 00:15:54.700 --> 00:15:58.440 here. Give me your give me your what do you do? 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.940 Bill, what does your Thanksgiving Day look like 00:16:01.940 --> 00:16:06.539 for these games? What's the set up at the Patterson? 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:11.240 Well, typically we go to the game. And we go 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:13.500 down to Detroit, we watch the parade, Free Sir 00:16:13.500 --> 00:16:16.919 Keister's off. We try to set up in front of a 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:18.740 local establishment that I'm not going to mention 00:16:18.740 --> 00:16:22.139 because I prefer the crowds to stay light. One 00:16:22.139 --> 00:16:25.440 Jerome Bettis is usually there to enjoy in the 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:29.440 revelry. and with his family, so we brunch there, 00:16:29.620 --> 00:16:31.419 we watch the parade, then we head over and we 00:16:31.419 --> 00:16:34.159 watch the Lions. This year, I'm in Iowa City, 00:16:34.779 --> 00:16:38.320 and coincidentally, they eat early and scheduled 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.860 dinner for 1 p .m., which is... Is it bizarre 00:16:41.860 --> 00:16:45.379 to you that other places don't know how to do 00:16:45.379 --> 00:16:48.080 Thanksgiving Day around the football schedule? 00:16:48.539 --> 00:16:53.279 Yes, because definitely more of an it's accentuated 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.980 a little more in the Detroit homes I believe 00:16:55.980 --> 00:16:59.539 may I get on my soapbox. Yes, please do. Okay. 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:02.940 So here's the thing This game has been played 00:17:02.940 --> 00:17:07.220 since 1934 the Lions matched up against the Bears 00:17:07.220 --> 00:17:12.490 they lost 19 to 16 This is the 22nd time the 00:17:12.490 --> 00:17:14.349 Lions will have played the Packers. They played 00:17:14.349 --> 00:17:17.690 the Bears 20 times, the Vikings five times. And 00:17:17.690 --> 00:17:19.269 believe it or not, they played the Chiefs four 00:17:19.269 --> 00:17:22.650 times. But the Chiefs complained about the Lions 00:17:22.650 --> 00:17:25.230 and Cowboys always getting Thanksgiving Day games. 00:17:25.650 --> 00:17:28.490 And so now there's a third game because the Chiefs 00:17:28.490 --> 00:17:29.950 belly aches about it. The Chiefs get to do what 00:17:29.950 --> 00:17:32.089 the Chiefs want to do. I can't stand the hunts. 00:17:32.170 --> 00:17:34.309 I can't stand the Chiefs. Sure. Overall, the 00:17:34.309 --> 00:17:38.339 Lions have a 38, 45 and two record. But here's 00:17:38.339 --> 00:17:41.279 the crazy part about this is the Lions took a 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.880 huge risk back in the day scheduling this game 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:47.599 It turned out to be an immediate success It was 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:50.519 a sellout in 1934 and has been played outside 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:53.720 of every year except for the World War two years 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:57.380 Here's a crazy idiosyncrasy that only hardcore 00:17:57.380 --> 00:18:00.609 Lions fans will play But there's some formula 00:18:00.609 --> 00:18:03.710 in the schedule making that the AFC North cannot 00:18:03.710 --> 00:18:07.890 play the Lions or the Cowboys in those time slots, 00:18:08.430 --> 00:18:13.230 which is noon and 330. So they can only play 00:18:13.230 --> 00:18:18.109 in the night game. So teams that you will not 00:18:18.109 --> 00:18:20.569 see would be the Bengals, Browns, Ravens and 00:18:20.569 --> 00:18:25.839 Steelers. Interesting in its own right the other 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.140 thing that's interesting is you have a huge market 00:18:28.140 --> 00:18:30.559 team the Los Angeles Rams and they have the longest 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:35.220 drought of any team which is They've not appeared 00:18:35.220 --> 00:18:37.579 on a Thanksgiving Day game in any kind since 00:18:37.579 --> 00:18:41.140 1975 and there is only one NFL team that has 00:18:41.140 --> 00:18:42.900 never appeared in the game and that would be 00:18:42.900 --> 00:18:45.940 your Jacksonville Jaguars Wow, I did not know 00:18:45.940 --> 00:18:49.779 that. And the Rams being out of it since 75 is 00:18:49.779 --> 00:18:51.980 fascinating, but I also don't envision them as 00:18:51.980 --> 00:18:54.740 a Thanksgiving Day team. I don't know why, I 00:18:54.740 --> 00:18:56.740 just have labeled certain teams as Thanksgiving 00:18:56.740 --> 00:18:58.980 Day teams and they're not one of them. What do 00:18:58.980 --> 00:19:01.299 you, I want you to give us a little bit of a 00:19:01.299 --> 00:19:03.720 food and drink survival guide here. Well, I think 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:05.839 the key thing is you need to be able to watch 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:09.839 the game. Sure. in bringing an iPad, my phone, 00:19:10.059 --> 00:19:11.920 spare chargers, headphones. You got all the things. 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.160 You're going to have some sort of a portal in 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:16.079 every room. So fortunately, we're going to a 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:18.099 restaurant. Hopefully they'll have TVs on there 00:19:18.099 --> 00:19:21.180 as well. This is a rough Thanksgiving for you. 00:19:21.180 --> 00:19:24.000 Yeah, my nephew. This is an oddity. My nephews 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:26.859 are going to. They love me as an uncle and they're 00:19:26.859 --> 00:19:29.440 gonna run interference for me best I can or best 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:32.160 they can folks This is a pitfall that can happen 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:34.779 if you marry out of the Detroit area or out of 00:19:34.779 --> 00:19:37.880 the Thanksgiving Day tradition Into another family 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:40.259 that does not respect it as much as the one you 00:19:40.259 --> 00:19:43.099 grew up in in the Detroit area You will have 00:19:43.099 --> 00:19:45.559 to deal with these perils every once in a while. 00:19:45.940 --> 00:19:49.039 Sometimes they'll acquiesce to your needs, but 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:51.839 most of the time you're going to have to shuffle, 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:54.740 juke and jive your way around being able to see 00:19:54.740 --> 00:19:56.759 the game because their schedules just don't match 00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.380 up on Thanksgiving Day. Yeah. And I'm also one 00:20:00.380 --> 00:20:02.900 that we've always eaten at four thirty five p 00:20:02.900 --> 00:20:06.440 .m. So this whole thing has me thrown up. Exactly. 00:20:07.860 --> 00:20:12.559 My family they have been more more than you know 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:15.460 I moved here to Minnesota and ever since the 00:20:15.460 --> 00:20:17.980 first Thanksgiving Day They have been more than 00:20:17.980 --> 00:20:21.140 accepting of me needing to see my game on TV. 00:20:21.140 --> 00:20:25.160 We have a very Settled plan on Thanksgiving Day. 00:20:25.220 --> 00:20:27.960 We go to my mother -in -law Peggy's house And 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:30.839 she always makes sure that the game is on and 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.000 the volume is up and that I'm able to watch. 00:20:33.299 --> 00:20:35.880 Now there's people jumping around, doing other 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:37.640 things. They're not concentrating in the game 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:40.380 like I am, but I can still sit there and watch 00:20:40.380 --> 00:20:43.619 and get a seat in the center of the room and 00:20:43.619 --> 00:20:47.539 focus. And I don't, I'm not asked to do too much. 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:49.380 Although over the last couple of years, I've 00:20:49.380 --> 00:20:52.380 taken on a green egg turkey, which has cut into 00:20:52.380 --> 00:20:55.160 my morning a little bit prior to it. So this 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:57.859 year, I think she even mentioned maybe This year 00:20:57.859 --> 00:21:00.200 so you could be settled and seated for the game. 00:21:00.539 --> 00:21:02.900 You don't do the turkey in the morning You do 00:21:02.900 --> 00:21:05.059 it the day before and then bring it so i'm going 00:21:05.059 --> 00:21:06.920 to do that We're going to have two turkeys one 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:09.619 fresh one that she makes One off the grill that 00:21:09.619 --> 00:21:11.619 I make that's going to be like a you know, a 00:21:11.619 --> 00:21:14.920 leftovers thing for people to pick at So my nephews 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:18.400 will be wearing my spare lions jerseys in a show 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:20.740 of solitude and support. Good, good. You get 00:21:20.740 --> 00:21:22.900 that at least. Even though they're Broncos fans, 00:21:23.299 --> 00:21:25.599 but that's also their way to poke the bear for 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:28.599 our family, which is big Chiefs fans. My father 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:31.039 -in -law had a very quick retort. We'll DVR the 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:33.759 game. And my brother -in -law quickly said, Dad, 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:36.980 the Chiefs Cowboys is on immediately after. We're 00:21:36.980 --> 00:21:39.579 going to be watching that live. So I knew where 00:21:39.579 --> 00:21:42.319 I stood on this. So now what I've come up with 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:46.839 is a list of excuses. To get me outside one. 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:49.019 I'm gonna claim that our fantasy football trade 00:21:49.019 --> 00:21:52.119 deadline is Thanksgiving Day And so I need to 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:55.319 be out on my phone all the time I'm also gonna 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:57.400 claim that my bookies calling me even though 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:00.640 I don't have a bookie Both of these sound very 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.460 degenerate to me fine your family gonna handle 00:22:04.460 --> 00:22:08.279 that okay is that Another one that I could do 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:10.680 that's not as degenerate is claim that I always 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:13.920 call certain mates or friends. That sounds more 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:16.299 wholesome. I need to go touch base with people. 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:19.220 I will not be able to cook barbecue or grill 00:22:19.220 --> 00:22:22.039 outside. Typically, I do that with a TV, but 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:24.880 that's not going to happen. We could borrow one 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:29.519 from a famous movie and go get ice for the Tom 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:33.920 Collins mix. So. That's another one or you can 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.180 some mums if you will yeah Or I could make like 00:22:37.180 --> 00:22:40.400 a really stinky salad with onion and garlic outside 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:43.980 cut a pumpkin squash outside or another degenerate 00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:47.740 one chat take up cigars or smoke outside, but 00:22:47.740 --> 00:22:51.160 I don't do either of those I Did include in my 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:53.700 notes just to make chat laugh that go outside 00:22:53.700 --> 00:22:56.240 and smoke with your aunt uncle cousins or 15 00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:58.680 year old niece You're gonna take up smoking just 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:00.700 to watch this game. This is gonna be pretty much 00:23:00.700 --> 00:23:04.960 pretty much Anyhow, I would love to start a Squares 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.420 pool to get everybody involved but that's not 00:23:07.420 --> 00:23:09.900 gonna happen either Fortunately, this isn't too 00:23:09.900 --> 00:23:13.460 dressy of a place. I do have a Honolulu blue 00:23:13.460 --> 00:23:16.240 sport coat, but I am gonna keep that at home 00:23:16.809 --> 00:23:19.509 and I will just be rocking the Panaceo jersey. 00:23:19.769 --> 00:23:22.450 So that's kind of my survival guide on it. It 00:23:22.450 --> 00:23:24.250 is a long standing tradition. You have a special 00:23:24.250 --> 00:23:26.730 survival need this year that the rest of us may 00:23:26.730 --> 00:23:28.769 not have to battle with. But if any of you out 00:23:28.769 --> 00:23:31.230 there are in a similar situation, you can fall 00:23:31.230 --> 00:23:33.269 back on some of these techniques and let us know 00:23:33.269 --> 00:23:36.990 how they work. And if any listeners are in Iowa 00:23:36.990 --> 00:23:40.529 City, we will be dining at like, I don't know, 00:23:40.690 --> 00:23:42.750 something power company or something like that 00:23:42.750 --> 00:23:46.920 restaurant. Come find us. We'll be we'll be the 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:49.180 crew in lion's gear. Well, I do feel for you 00:23:49.180 --> 00:23:51.339 I'm sure you're gonna have a great family outing 00:23:51.339 --> 00:23:53.900 Yeah, I do feel for you having to jockey around 00:23:53.900 --> 00:23:57.559 this game like this all joking aside I couldn't 00:23:57.559 --> 00:23:59.779 have married into a better family. Of course. 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:02.440 We're just having fun with this now flaws with 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:04.759 this though Why don't you give us some fantasy 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.779 updates? I don't have any injury updates because 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:10.940 It's too soon for a report. I imagine the list 00:24:10.940 --> 00:24:13.240 will be just as long. Everybody that played yesterday 00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:17.460 will play Thursday. The hope would be that we 00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:22.380 could possibly get Terry on Arnold back and potentially 00:24:22.380 --> 00:24:25.140 Kirby Joseph. Outside of that, I don't see anything 00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:29.559 changing. I have a lot of problems fantasy wise 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:31.180 for this game. I have a feeling this will be 00:24:31.180 --> 00:24:33.380 one of the lower scoring Thanksgiving Day games 00:24:33.380 --> 00:24:36.279 we've seen. Well, the over under is 49 and a 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:39.059 half on that. And then I do have one Packer injury 00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:40.880 update that we really need to keep an eye on. 00:24:41.259 --> 00:24:43.559 Josh Jacobs did not play, but said he would only 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:45.599 miss one game. So he missed yesterday's game 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.319 against the Vikings. I don't know if he's still 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:50.359 going to be healthy or not, because his backup, 00:24:50.380 --> 00:24:54.220 Wilson, did quite well. Yep. So I do expect a 00:24:54.220 --> 00:24:55.960 lot of running to happen. Give us your fantasy 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:58.420 update and then we'll do kind of early look aheads. 00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:00.619 I don't like anybody in this game for fantasy 00:25:00.619 --> 00:25:02.660 to be dead honest with you. I don't even like 00:25:02.660 --> 00:25:05.160 Gibbs so much in this game for fantasy. I think 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:09.059 this is going to be a ugly, ugly Thanksgiving 00:25:09.059 --> 00:25:12.220 Day game. Now, we have been wrong on everything. 00:25:12.430 --> 00:25:14.630 this season for the most part. I think maybe 00:25:14.630 --> 00:25:16.789 we've hit on about 10 percent of our predictions. 00:25:17.490 --> 00:25:19.690 So, again, you could just turn us off at this 00:25:19.690 --> 00:25:21.890 point if you want to. Fantasy, I think we've 00:25:21.890 --> 00:25:24.130 been accurate. Have we been accurate on fantasy? 00:25:24.230 --> 00:25:26.349 Because I don't feel terribly accurate on fantasy. 00:25:26.490 --> 00:25:29.710 Yes. But I am not taking if you've got guys in 00:25:29.710 --> 00:25:31.609 this game, I'm not taking them on. You're on 00:25:31.609 --> 00:25:34.799 a short schedule. Thursday game's short schedule 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.680 makes it tough for offenses to prepare. It'll 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:39.940 be a defensive game. If you've got like a Packers 00:25:39.940 --> 00:25:42.359 defense or a Lions defense, you might take it. 00:25:42.859 --> 00:25:45.160 The Packers have been struggling a titch lately, 00:25:45.579 --> 00:25:49.420 and the Lions offense hasn't been clicking lately. 00:25:50.259 --> 00:25:51.980 You know, Mike Parsons and the Packers are going 00:25:51.980 --> 00:25:54.440 to make life very difficult for us, as they did 00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:56.740 in the first game we faced them this past season. 00:25:57.500 --> 00:26:00.400 They have too many things that match up against 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.319 our weaknesses. Like it's their pass rush is 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:07.759 good. Our O line is not. Our defensive backfield 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.960 isn't great. Their passing game isn't that bad. 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.579 They do real well with under the underneath short 00:26:15.579 --> 00:26:19.720 passing. And that is kind of where we also aren't 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:22.279 great. Our linebackers don't cover the pass very 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:27.470 well. So. Don't have a terribly positive outlook 00:26:27.470 --> 00:26:30.369 for you for this Thanksgiving Day game other 00:26:30.369 --> 00:26:34.289 than we've seen magic happen before in Detroit 00:26:34.289 --> 00:26:38.150 on Thanksgiving and We need it bad here. We need 00:26:38.150 --> 00:26:40.130 a victory against these Packers. So I'm staying 00:26:40.130 --> 00:26:42.390 away from everybody fantasy wise I know it's 00:26:42.390 --> 00:26:44.309 probably not what you want to hear. I don't see 00:26:44.309 --> 00:26:48.049 anybody going off in this game. Okay I do think 00:26:48.049 --> 00:26:50.069 it's gonna be a low -scoring affair, so I would 00:26:50.069 --> 00:26:53.809 go under the 49 and a half. I'm gonna go early 00:26:53.809 --> 00:26:56.349 prediction, the team that just needs it more. 00:26:56.529 --> 00:26:59.329 If the Lions lose this one, the division's out 00:26:59.329 --> 00:27:03.089 of the question. Your Chicago Bears seemingly 00:27:03.089 --> 00:27:06.670 just cannot lose, and the Lions have to have 00:27:06.670 --> 00:27:09.150 this word be nice for the Packers to have it. 00:27:09.420 --> 00:27:11.779 Think Jordan loves gonna have a rough day at 00:27:11.779 --> 00:27:15.160 the office. I think hutch we get to see the Superman 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:17.220 hutch I think he's gonna be the one wearing the 00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:19.180 cape this week. I just gonna answer the call 00:27:19.180 --> 00:27:21.779 Yeah, and I think we're gonna see something like 00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:24.240 little poster or a little billboard material 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.359 there. Yeah I think I see a lot of baits So I 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.980 I think it's gonna be like a 20 to 16 type game 00:27:30.980 --> 00:27:33.769 a lot of field goals I feel the same. Points 00:27:33.769 --> 00:27:36.150 are going to be at a premium. I could see a safety 00:27:36.150 --> 00:27:39.829 potentially in this game or some type of defensive 00:27:39.829 --> 00:27:43.009 turnover. One guy I'd like to see really step 00:27:43.009 --> 00:27:46.650 up and not make a helmet to helmet. Collision 00:27:46.650 --> 00:27:49.529 and get a personal follows Brian branch. So yeah, 00:27:49.630 --> 00:27:53.190 let's hope something I feel like branch has been 00:27:53.190 --> 00:27:55.670 somewhat neutered to some degree this season 00:27:55.670 --> 00:27:58.369 He just doesn't seem to be the Brian branch we 00:27:58.369 --> 00:28:00.950 were seeing from previous years I don't know 00:28:00.950 --> 00:28:03.029 if it's just that he's been picked on I don't 00:28:03.029 --> 00:28:04.750 know that it's just you know The NFL's got their 00:28:04.750 --> 00:28:07.829 eye on him now every play he makes and he's trying 00:28:07.829 --> 00:28:10.450 to keep from doing these I don't know what it 00:28:10.450 --> 00:28:12.950 is, but it doesn't seem like the guy he's missing 00:28:12.950 --> 00:28:15.710 his running mate who's an all -prime Kirby For 00:28:15.710 --> 00:28:18.130 me, I think and Kirby missing is a big deal. 00:28:18.470 --> 00:28:20.890 I think it's a huge deal. I get a defensive back. 00:28:20.910 --> 00:28:23.910 Yeah, if we can get one player back from the 00:28:23.910 --> 00:28:26.009 injured list, it would be Kirby Joseph. And dare 00:28:26.009 --> 00:28:28.529 I say I'm sort of missing Terry and Arnold at 00:28:28.529 --> 00:28:30.630 this point. I'm missing Terry on Arnold as well. 00:28:30.750 --> 00:28:33.049 What a bizarre thing to say after I've just ripped 00:28:33.049 --> 00:28:35.470 him limb from limb for the last year and a half. 00:28:35.809 --> 00:28:37.950 So I want to bring up two things before we close 00:28:37.950 --> 00:28:40.049 it out, Bill. Yeah, a couple of things. Do you 00:28:40.049 --> 00:28:45.190 have a prediction? I hate this game. I think 00:28:45.190 --> 00:28:48.910 it's gonna be like 1913. Okay. Lions win. and 00:28:48.910 --> 00:28:51.490 it's going to come down to like a, it'll be like 00:28:51.490 --> 00:28:54.170 13 to 12 and the Lions will get a touchdown or 00:28:54.170 --> 00:28:55.890 something. I don't know. It's going to be ugly. 00:28:56.410 --> 00:28:58.109 I think it's going to be an ugly deal. A pick 00:28:58.109 --> 00:29:02.349 six on the last drive. Jordan Love scrambles 00:29:02.349 --> 00:29:04.170 around and throws a ball away. I don't know. 00:29:04.690 --> 00:29:06.990 I just don't see this being a pretty game and 00:29:06.990 --> 00:29:10.309 I hope tradition sticks for this season and we 00:29:10.309 --> 00:29:13.450 are so wrong and the Lions just blow it out and 00:29:13.450 --> 00:29:15.630 it's a huge offensive. I just don't see it. I 00:29:15.630 --> 00:29:17.890 see an ugly game coming up. But that couple of 00:29:17.890 --> 00:29:20.009 things, but that's how it goes for us. It does. 00:29:20.230 --> 00:29:22.490 That's a juicy tidbit. Kind of like a green egg 00:29:22.490 --> 00:29:26.730 turkey. It is. It's a juice. Anyhow, that's your 00:29:26.730 --> 00:29:29.450 turducken from the old litter box here, folks. 00:29:30.230 --> 00:29:32.789 The two things I want to bring up, two interesting 00:29:32.789 --> 00:29:35.410 things. Jake Bates, you mentioned him in your 00:29:35.410 --> 00:29:38.269 player of the game, your your game balls. Fifty 00:29:38.269 --> 00:29:42.819 nine yard field goal under critical. Critical 00:29:42.819 --> 00:29:45.900 make there that Jake Bates from brick salesman 00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:49.059 to hitting 59 yarders and saving, possibly saving 00:29:49.059 --> 00:29:51.960 this season to some degree. Let's not get too 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.140 crazy, but I have a feeling we're going to need 00:29:54.140 --> 00:29:56.579 him a little more down the stretch going forward. 00:29:57.980 --> 00:30:00.680 Close games and all, and some very big competition. 00:30:01.019 --> 00:30:05.619 Number two, I attended the mini Minnesota state 00:30:05.619 --> 00:30:07.619 championship football game this past weekend 00:30:07.619 --> 00:30:10.900 on Friday night. Our local Edina Hornets pulled 00:30:10.900 --> 00:30:15.299 it out. against Moorhead. The running back for 00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:23.400 the Edina Hornets bill ran for 320 yards. His 00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:28.640 name is Chase Bjorgard. I have never seen a running 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:34.019 effort like that in my life in football. High 00:30:34.019 --> 00:30:37.319 school football, so be it, but 320 yards and 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.220 six touchdowns in the state final. Well, that 00:30:40.220 --> 00:30:42.950 is incredible. You remiss if I didn't mention 00:30:42.950 --> 00:30:48.690 Jackie's cousin's son, Reston Lehman led Peterstownship 00:30:48.690 --> 00:30:52.990 to a Pennsylvania 4A state championship Saturday 00:30:52.990 --> 00:30:56.390 night at the Cruiser Field where the Steelers 00:30:56.390 --> 00:30:59.529 play. They were down 19 -0 going into the second 00:30:59.529 --> 00:31:02.710 half and won 20 -19. So congratulations Reston. 00:31:03.069 --> 00:31:05.490 I know you're a loyal listener and good luck 00:31:05.490 --> 00:31:07.529 on your future endeavors. He is going to be playing 00:31:07.529 --> 00:31:11.890 D1 football next year. With that, do you have 00:31:11.890 --> 00:31:14.630 a final prediction? Anything else you'd like 00:31:14.630 --> 00:31:19.109 to share? Nope. I want everybody to enjoy their 00:31:19.109 --> 00:31:22.130 turkey. Try to enjoy your family. Don't talk 00:31:22.130 --> 00:31:24.809 about politics, religion or anything else dicey 00:31:24.809 --> 00:31:27.670 at the table. Unless you want to cut off, cut 00:31:27.670 --> 00:31:32.289 your gift list down for the season. Keep everything 00:31:32.289 --> 00:31:35.990 happy and smiling and let's hope for a Lions 00:31:35.990 --> 00:31:38.849 win. Eight wins would look really good right 00:31:38.849 --> 00:31:41.069 now. if we could get there. Go Lions!