WEBVTT 00:00:06.459 --> 00:00:11.919 This is the Litterbox, a Detroit Lions podcast 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:15.619 with your hosts, Chad West and Bill Patterson. 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:20.920 Litterbox Lions fans, you got yourself a W this 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:23.519 past weekend. We had a little bit of a get healthy 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:27.019 game. in the nation's capital, lots of regalia 00:00:27.019 --> 00:00:29.460 and celebration for the Veterans Day holiday, 00:00:29.699 --> 00:00:33.859 a few touchdown dances to go along with it, and 00:00:33.859 --> 00:00:38.719 some debate or controversy over who actually 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:43.600 did the play calling in this Lions win. Bill, 00:00:43.740 --> 00:00:47.479 do you have any thoughts? Yeah, Chad, I do. Great 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:51.079 Lions win. And I apologize if anybody's listening 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:54.240 to us to make their Wagering or listening to 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:56.679 us for expertise because we didn't do good. We 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:59.380 couldn't have been more wrong So the over hit 00:00:59.380 --> 00:01:01.840 the eight and a half or seven and a half hit 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:04.120 There was nothing that Chet and I could have 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.340 told you that are shared with you that was any 00:01:06.340 --> 00:01:08.739 good But let's talk about the game. The president 00:01:08.739 --> 00:01:12.319 was in the house great Veterans Day celebration 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:16.120 great win by the Lions and Chet Dan Campbell 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:18.120 admitted in his press conference. He was calling 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:20.840 the plays I don't know why it took Jonathan Vilma 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:23.530 and Kenny Alberts three quarters to figure it 00:01:23.530 --> 00:01:27.230 out. But Johnny Moe is I think he designed the 00:01:27.230 --> 00:01:30.790 play sheet, but we saw a bespeckled Dan Campbell 00:01:30.790 --> 00:01:33.769 with glasses and a play sheet calling the plays 00:01:33.769 --> 00:01:36.349 for the first time since his first year after 00:01:36.349 --> 00:01:39.329 he let go. Anthony Lynn is the offensive coordinator. 00:01:39.609 --> 00:01:43.049 So my question to you, Chet, is is John Morton 00:01:43.049 --> 00:01:46.530 one and done here? I feel like from the day he 00:01:46.530 --> 00:01:48.969 was hired, he was one and done for one reason 00:01:48.969 --> 00:01:52.260 or another. I don't think he ever truly excited 00:01:52.260 --> 00:01:55.459 very many people from the go. People kind of, 00:01:55.579 --> 00:01:59.140 at least I saw this as we lost Ben Johnson late 00:01:59.140 --> 00:02:03.140 in the process. We didn't really have much to 00:02:03.140 --> 00:02:05.319 choose from for offensive coordinators after 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.520 that happened. Okay. And what you end up with 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:10.099 then is you're scrambling around trying to find 00:02:10.099 --> 00:02:12.580 a known quantity. John Morton was a known quantity. 00:02:13.060 --> 00:02:17.080 He had once worked with us, not as an OC, but 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:20.400 at a different level. He was the passing game 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:22.800 coordinator in Denver and had some success with 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:26.240 the rookie Bo Nix. I think this was a fill a 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:29.819 gap fast with someone you know. And if it works 00:02:29.819 --> 00:02:32.800 out great, if it doesn't, move on to somebody 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:34.199 else. And I think they're going to be moving 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:35.939 on to somebody else because I don't think this 00:02:35.939 --> 00:02:37.740 is going to work. Even if he's the architect, 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:40.780 Bill, Dan is choosing which play to call. And 00:02:40.780 --> 00:02:42.840 I highly doubt Johnny Moe is the architect of 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:44.439 the whole entire thing. He is not the architect 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.860 because it's the same offense they've run. Under 00:02:46.860 --> 00:02:49.900 Ben Johnson ever since Anthony Lynn left in the 00:02:49.900 --> 00:02:52.159 architect of this offense quite frankly is Dan 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:55.539 Campbell I mean so saw yesterday and the secondary 00:02:55.539 --> 00:02:57.740 question I want to ask is do you think Johnny 00:02:57.740 --> 00:02:59.960 Moe knew this was just for a year to keep a seat 00:02:59.960 --> 00:03:03.780 warm? Well, Johnny Moe, this is the biggest elevation 00:03:03.780 --> 00:03:06.500 he's had since he was the New York Jets offensive 00:03:06.500 --> 00:03:10.000 coordinator for one year He does come from that 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:13.020 Sean Payton tree, and that's the same tree that 00:03:13.020 --> 00:03:14.539 Campbell comes from, you know, when you talk 00:03:14.539 --> 00:03:16.800 about coaching trees and all that. I don't know. 00:03:16.939 --> 00:03:18.319 I think Johnny Moe thought it would be better, 00:03:18.379 --> 00:03:21.560 but I knew his goose was cooked when he started 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:25.219 making apologies publicly to J Moe and to Isaac 00:03:25.219 --> 00:03:28.439 Tesla. It was odd, wasn't it? Yeah. I don't think 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:30.319 Ben Johnson would have ever done something like 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.099 that. No, Ben Johnson apologized for nothing 00:03:33.099 --> 00:03:36.360 ever. And so talking about the game, I mean, 00:03:36.539 --> 00:03:39.879 the key things that I saw chat and that I'm sure 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:42.419 our listeners saw as well was the pre snap motions 00:03:42.419 --> 00:03:46.060 were back. The misdirection was back and the 00:03:46.060 --> 00:03:49.560 offensive line looked dominant. And when we get 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.479 to our game balls, I'll talk a little bit about 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:53.840 some of those individuals. And this is a game 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:57.319 chat where we had a really beat up Taylor Decker. 00:03:58.020 --> 00:04:00.979 A really, really beat up Penne Sewell. Graham 00:04:00.979 --> 00:04:03.580 Glasgow leaving for a few plays. Sewell left 00:04:03.580 --> 00:04:06.599 for a few days to get his knee re -taped. Awaseeka 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:09.159 on the field the whole time. I mean, we didn't 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:11.659 have our starting left guard. I don't know how 00:04:11.659 --> 00:04:15.240 much that mattered. I think Awaseeka is a huge 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:17.740 upgrade over Mahogany. I think he might be. And 00:04:17.740 --> 00:04:20.759 I think his starting position is secure for now. 00:04:20.860 --> 00:04:22.680 He was the difference and I don't want to let 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:24.620 the cat out of the bag, but he's I'm only given 00:04:24.620 --> 00:04:26.519 one game ball and that's the game ball I'm given. 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:30.959 I wonder if Awasika versus Mahogany was more 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.439 or less a, we are more invested in Mahogany from 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:35.779 a draft pick standpoint. So we're playing him 00:04:35.779 --> 00:04:38.699 to give him every chance to succeed. Do you believe 00:04:38.699 --> 00:04:41.579 in that type of thing or no? Not necessarily. 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:45.560 I think it's just a function of you asked me 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:48.680 a few pods back what happened in the Minnesota 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:50.879 game and is it all Johnny Moe's fault? And I 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:53.459 said, no, you know, you can't execute the offense. 00:04:53.620 --> 00:04:55.879 But I think the most telling point in the game 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:59.430 was Late in the fourth quarter, Jared Goff, after 00:04:59.430 --> 00:05:02.509 he was pulled, walked over to Dan Campbell and 00:05:02.509 --> 00:05:04.709 kind of like punched him in the shoulder. I don't 00:05:04.709 --> 00:05:07.569 know if you saw this. Yeah, it was a nice little 00:05:07.569 --> 00:05:10.430 moment. Well, in the press or guess what he said 00:05:10.430 --> 00:05:14.729 to him? You still have it as a play caller. And 00:05:14.729 --> 00:05:19.250 so, that's good. Can I tell you what I am hearing 00:05:19.250 --> 00:05:21.569 happened? And this is through Dave Burkett and 00:05:21.569 --> 00:05:23.949 some others. What I think happened is Jared Goff 00:05:23.949 --> 00:05:26.069 pulled Dan Campbell aside or they had a one -on 00:05:26.069 --> 00:05:28.990 -one over coffee and Jared said it's not working 00:05:28.990 --> 00:05:32.089 with Johnny Moe. Yeah. The pre -snap reads aren't 00:05:32.089 --> 00:05:34.389 there, the adjustments. The biggest thing that 00:05:34.389 --> 00:05:36.350 frustrated me and you and our listeners in the 00:05:36.350 --> 00:05:38.730 Vikings game was the lack of adjustments. Brian 00:05:38.730 --> 00:05:42.639 Flores runs the same... Blitzes until you stop 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:44.959 it and Johnny Moe couldn't do anything Well, 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:48.779 it seemed very much like the Vikings and anyone 00:05:48.779 --> 00:05:51.560 watching this game with a measure of an understanding 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:54.879 of football Could almost predict where at least 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:57.819 our run plays were going To the point where we 00:05:57.819 --> 00:06:00.579 were not fooling them in the least this this 00:06:00.579 --> 00:06:03.750 past game Looked completely different to me. 00:06:03.750 --> 00:06:05.790 I would sit there and try to figure out. Okay, 00:06:05.990 --> 00:06:07.389 we're gonna run it left here We're gonna run 00:06:07.389 --> 00:06:10.329 it right here. The misdirection was back the 00:06:10.329 --> 00:06:13.250 motion Misdirection was back, but also the running 00:06:13.250 --> 00:06:15.269 misdirection. We ran a few more counters ran 00:06:15.269 --> 00:06:19.089 a few more plays that were disguised better and 00:06:19.089 --> 00:06:22.709 the combination of plays the succession of plays 00:06:22.709 --> 00:06:26.769 was better the mix was better Cadence was unreal 00:06:26.769 --> 00:06:29.439 and this was so much better If you're smoking 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:32.779 your last cigarette before a firing line in a 00:06:32.779 --> 00:06:36.240 back worlds, you know, third world, central American 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.660 country, bet that the lions are going to run 00:06:38.660 --> 00:06:40.639 behind Penne Sewell because that's what they 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:44.759 like to do most of the time. He is just a mauler. 00:06:45.019 --> 00:06:47.680 And my favorite moment of the game is he had 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.420 to leave to get his knee re -taped. They're halfway 00:06:50.420 --> 00:06:52.240 through re -taping his knee, the Lions score 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:55.000 a touchdown and he runs out to celebrate with 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:56.459 everybody after the touchdown. He wasn't leaving. 00:06:56.620 --> 00:06:59.139 He wasn't going anywhere. He was doing Glasgow, 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:02.180 debated. He was petitioning to get back on the 00:07:02.180 --> 00:07:04.720 field likewise after his injury. He was on the 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:06.579 sideline angry that he wasn't out there. Well, 00:07:06.660 --> 00:07:09.139 I think after what they saw with Christian Mahogany 00:07:09.139 --> 00:07:12.560 is that nobody's seat is safe on that. So I'm 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.639 going to ask you a question now. Johnny most 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.500 probably out. Do you have any names for us? I 00:07:18.500 --> 00:07:20.600 don't. I don't offense because I've got two for 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:22.660 you right now. You've got a name. Throw it out 00:07:22.660 --> 00:07:27.019 there. I do not. So I would have said, yeah, 00:07:27.939 --> 00:07:30.300 you know, we lost so much from that side of the 00:07:30.300 --> 00:07:34.560 ball. Taylor went to Jets, right? Taylor Ingstrom 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:37.680 went to the Jets. Ben Johnson goes to the Bears. 00:07:37.740 --> 00:07:41.199 So we lost not only. The first level, the OC, 00:07:41.339 --> 00:07:43.920 we lost the depth piece under that. So I would 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:47.300 have, I would have, I would have promoted Ingström 00:07:47.300 --> 00:07:48.939 if he was going to stick around, but he didn't. 00:07:49.060 --> 00:07:51.120 So you see the hole we were in trying to find 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.759 a replacement at OC right off the bat because 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:56.680 you don't even have the understudy anymore. Now, 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:58.959 would I go get Ingström from the Jets and bring 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.000 him back to the Lions? If he would, he wants 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.399 to get out of that disaster that is the New York 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.180 Jets right now. But I'm not 100 % sure he's the 00:08:06.180 --> 00:08:08.259 guy either because he can't seem to fix the Jets 00:08:08.259 --> 00:08:12.290 either. So who are the Jets fixable? Well, they 00:08:12.290 --> 00:08:15.110 don't have the talent, right? This is a plum 00:08:15.110 --> 00:08:17.230 job for an OC because you've got talent, which 00:08:17.230 --> 00:08:19.709 also tells me that, you know, Johnny Moe isn't 00:08:19.709 --> 00:08:21.269 the guy because he can't get it humming with 00:08:21.269 --> 00:08:23.589 the talent we got out there. Exactly. He's making 00:08:23.589 --> 00:08:25.750 apologies at pressers trying to figure out how 00:08:25.750 --> 00:08:27.810 to get everybody the ball. All right. I've got 00:08:27.810 --> 00:08:29.449 three names for you. I don't have a guy, but 00:08:29.449 --> 00:08:32.570 who you have one's in house and he's the long 00:08:32.570 --> 00:08:34.690 time quarterback coach. And I think he's due. 00:08:35.090 --> 00:08:38.389 The question is whether he wants to or not. And 00:08:38.389 --> 00:08:41.279 from Everything I'm reading and understanding, 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:44.840 his family is grown to the point that meaning 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:48.139 he doesn't have to coach kids sports anymore. 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.080 Sure. Mark Brunel, former NFL quarterback, former 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:56.059 University of Washington Husky, great, is my 00:08:56.059 --> 00:08:58.159 in -house name. And then I've got two guys that 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:00.519 are currently employed, one of whom we saw yesterday, 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:02.519 but I don't expect to be employed at the end 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:04.809 of the season. And I want to see... You know, 00:09:04.870 --> 00:09:06.990 of these three, I kind of want you to force rank 00:09:06.990 --> 00:09:09.389 them after I say who excites you the most and 00:09:09.389 --> 00:09:11.769 who excites you the least. Mike McDaniel is my 00:09:11.769 --> 00:09:14.090 next name. He's not coming back to Miami. He's 00:09:14.090 --> 00:09:16.370 going to coach out the season. He's young. He's 00:09:16.370 --> 00:09:19.330 an offensive wizard, but everywhere he's been, 00:09:19.610 --> 00:09:22.490 their controversy follows. And I don't know that 00:09:22.490 --> 00:09:27.370 he and Goff or MCDC would be simpatico. The third 00:09:27.370 --> 00:09:29.769 name I have for you, and I don't like this one 00:09:29.769 --> 00:09:31.350 at all, but I don't want to tee it up for you 00:09:31.350 --> 00:09:34.220 too much, is Cliff Kingsbury. He's an offensive 00:09:34.220 --> 00:09:36.740 genius, but it seems like in the NFL level, they 00:09:36.740 --> 00:09:40.139 figure him out year two to year three. Those 00:09:40.139 --> 00:09:42.419 are my three names for you. And I went through 00:09:42.419 --> 00:09:45.740 all 32. The only other one that I can come up 00:09:45.740 --> 00:09:50.019 with. I'll bring up at a later pod. Well, you 00:09:50.019 --> 00:09:52.940 got Cliff Kingsbury, who's dependent on whether 00:09:52.940 --> 00:09:55.649 he leaves Washington. Well, I don't think he's 00:09:55.649 --> 00:09:57.529 going to be asked back. They're going to have 00:09:57.529 --> 00:09:59.990 to be asked back. You think that he's done. They're 00:09:59.990 --> 00:10:01.470 going to have to make somebody a sacrificial 00:10:01.470 --> 00:10:03.769 lamb for this season. Well, they've lost five 00:10:03.769 --> 00:10:06.029 straight. Yeah. Now they're flying to Madrid 00:10:06.029 --> 00:10:09.250 to face the red hot dolphins who might smoked 00:10:09.250 --> 00:10:11.889 the bills. And McDaniels doesn't strike me as 00:10:11.889 --> 00:10:14.350 the guy for this regime. Not that he wouldn't 00:10:14.350 --> 00:10:17.309 be a good OC. I'm not saying that. I just don't 00:10:17.309 --> 00:10:19.990 know if he's a fit for our crew here. I kind 00:10:19.990 --> 00:10:22.730 of like to mark Brunel call. And I think it's 00:10:22.730 --> 00:10:26.240 more because he's an unknown. Quantity and maybe 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.840 you know it he might have really high upside 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.379 for being great. Like you said Kingsbury We kind 00:10:31.379 --> 00:10:33.879 of know what we get there. Yeah, I don't know 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:36.720 if he's but with the talent we've got what can 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:38.519 he do? Maybe there's something there for that. 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:40.480 I don't know I've got a hot name for you, but 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:42.379 I think all right He's gonna hold out for a head 00:10:42.379 --> 00:10:45.879 coaching job, but he does come from the Saints 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:49.299 coaching tree So he fits the bill and he's tearing 00:10:49.299 --> 00:10:51.679 it up right now out in Seattle and that's Clint 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:55.860 Kubiak the son of Gary Kubiak Okay But I don't 00:10:55.860 --> 00:10:59.419 think he is going to take the Lions OC job because 00:10:59.419 --> 00:11:01.519 right now the Seahawks are sitting on top of 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:04.559 the NFC. If they get home field advantage, that's 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:06.240 going to be a tough place. I mean, the way I 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.080 think of this is like a springboard. If you're 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:11.259 good at your OC gig, the Lions are a springboard 00:11:11.259 --> 00:11:14.179 to head coaching. I mean, look at what they did 00:11:14.179 --> 00:11:17.080 with the previous understudy in the OC. Like 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:19.679 those guys just vaulted up a whole a whole slot 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.620 within a season or two. I think I think Mark 00:11:22.620 --> 00:11:25.200 Brunel would be a fun Okay, good. And a known 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:27.259 quantity, too. Like, I don't think Goff would 00:11:27.259 --> 00:11:31.120 be in opposition of that, if that makes any sense. 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:32.940 No, I think... But just remember, three weeks 00:11:32.940 --> 00:11:35.179 ago, we thought Johnny Moe was the answer to 00:11:35.179 --> 00:11:37.840 Ben Johnson. We were fine with him. So these 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.379 things change real fast, not for long, right, 00:11:40.460 --> 00:11:42.879 NFL? We've already said that our picks are always 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:45.690 not great either, so... Yeah, we haven't done 00:11:45.690 --> 00:11:48.529 a great job prognosticating with this season, 00:11:48.590 --> 00:11:51.549 and it has been a little bit of a variable result 00:11:51.549 --> 00:11:55.149 in comparison to the previous two years. So we're 00:11:55.149 --> 00:11:57.169 not as predictable right now, which is maybe 00:11:57.169 --> 00:12:00.009 that's a good thing to be not predictable. So 00:12:00.009 --> 00:12:01.909 Ray, did anybody leave the game? Do we have any 00:12:01.909 --> 00:12:03.710 injuries this past week that were of no? We've 00:12:03.710 --> 00:12:07.210 got a big one, and this is going to be tough 00:12:07.210 --> 00:12:09.769 to replace. Terry and Arnold left with a concussion 00:12:09.769 --> 00:12:13.679 in the second quarter. OK. And I mean, concussion 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:15.500 protocol is a strange thing. You don't know if 00:12:15.500 --> 00:12:18.039 he's going to come back. Point in case, our guy 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:20.440 Eddie Goldman in the preview, he didn't clear 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:23.059 concussion protocol and didn't play for the commanders 00:12:23.059 --> 00:12:27.320 in this game. So with that, what I am going to 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:29.519 say is that's the biggest loss because we still 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:31.200 don't know if Kirby Joseph's knee is going to 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:34.279 be good enough to go against the Eagles. And 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:36.500 then we can talk about the offensive line being 00:12:36.500 --> 00:12:40.799 banged up, Decker, Sewell, and Glasgow all left 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:43.220 at different times, but all came back. What was 00:12:43.220 --> 00:12:45.840 nice about the end of the game was we actually 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:50.080 got to see in Kyle Allen's sighting, and Kyle 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.320 got it a little time. He used to be a commander 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:54.779 as well. The only thing that upset me was that 00:12:54.779 --> 00:12:57.080 David Montgomery was still out there. Yeah, I 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.059 couldn't figure that one out. Like, Bakke did 00:12:59.059 --> 00:13:01.159 end up getting some time at the end of that game. 00:13:01.179 --> 00:13:03.279 They did pull Montgomery off the field. I think 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:06.039 they wanted to maybe help Monty Pat his stats 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:09.100 a little bit or something there. Did you? Get 00:13:09.100 --> 00:13:12.940 any humor out of watching Dan Skipper line up 00:13:12.940 --> 00:13:15.659 out wide, right? Did you see that play when he 00:13:15.659 --> 00:13:19.639 actually feigned running a route? I'm not a hundred 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:23.700 percent sure what that was there to set up. Do 00:13:23.700 --> 00:13:27.440 you know that was the moment that I went to Twitter 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:31.399 and started following, you know, my feed and 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:34.429 that's when Dave Burkett and like some of the 00:13:34.429 --> 00:13:36.789 other, you know, beat writers are like Dan Kimball's 00:13:36.789 --> 00:13:38.730 calling the plays. Cause Johnny Moe would, yeah. 00:13:38.990 --> 00:13:41.269 Johnny Moe would never throw that out there, 00:13:41.269 --> 00:13:43.570 but it was fun. I imagine that's probably what 00:13:43.570 --> 00:13:45.850 I would look like running a route right now with 00:13:45.850 --> 00:13:47.250 all the pads and everything. I was like, Oh, 00:13:47.250 --> 00:13:49.250 that's probably what I look like. All right, 00:13:49.250 --> 00:13:51.070 I'm going to give you a couple of statistics. 00:13:52.049 --> 00:13:57.450 Yeah, so the Lions have had seven 500 yard plus 00:13:57.450 --> 00:14:01.029 games since 2022, which is by far the most in 00:14:01.029 --> 00:14:03.450 the NFL. The runners up or bridesmaids would 00:14:03.450 --> 00:14:06.549 be the Ravens and Dolphins with four a piece. 00:14:07.350 --> 00:14:11.870 Gibbs now has and this is before. He, going into 00:14:11.870 --> 00:14:14.990 the game, had 39 TDs at the age of 24, which 00:14:14.990 --> 00:14:17.590 tied him for the lead with Christian McCaffrey 00:14:17.590 --> 00:14:21.450 and Rob Gronkowski, two. Well, Gronk, if he's 00:14:21.450 --> 00:14:23.129 not in Hall of Fame, he will be in same with 00:14:23.129 --> 00:14:25.289 McCaffrey. So Gibbs is on a great trajectory. 00:14:25.629 --> 00:14:27.789 And then he goes out and runs for two touchdowns 00:14:27.789 --> 00:14:31.710 and catches a touchdown. So now he's at 42. 42 00:14:31.710 --> 00:14:35.350 so and then last thing Dan Campbell needs to 00:14:35.350 --> 00:14:37.710 wear the glasses all the time I don't know why 00:14:37.710 --> 00:14:40.049 he just looks like a different coach when he 00:14:40.049 --> 00:14:43.029 does That I know that's not really a stat But 00:14:43.029 --> 00:14:45.370 that was just kind of a fun one to throw in golf 00:14:45.370 --> 00:14:47.850 has a hundred and thirteen touchdown passes since 00:14:47.850 --> 00:14:51.610 2022 clear and away leading the league and then 00:14:51.610 --> 00:14:55.490 I'm in st. Brown the Sun God has fifteen hundred 00:14:55.490 --> 00:14:59.679 yard game since 2023 which also puts him a top. 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:03.299 So last thing I want to say on stats, the Lions 00:15:03.299 --> 00:15:05.919 need to keep winning the toss because the tone 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:07.840 was set for this game when they won the toss 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:10.000 and deferred Chet. They forced the commanders 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.120 to go three and out, then marched down the field, 00:15:12.259 --> 00:15:14.899 10 plays, scored a touchdown, and the game felt 00:15:14.899 --> 00:15:16.740 like it was out of reach for the commanders ever 00:15:16.740 --> 00:15:20.200 after. Feel like when we get out ahead of a team, 00:15:21.259 --> 00:15:23.980 it's the game's out of reach 90 percent of the 00:15:23.980 --> 00:15:26.899 time. I mean, this this offense is built to play 00:15:26.899 --> 00:15:28.879 with a little bit of a lead. And they can make 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:30.940 a little bit of a lead seem like a lot of lead. 00:15:31.500 --> 00:15:33.740 Like a seven points can seem like an eternity 00:15:33.740 --> 00:15:36.759 to catch up. And when we don't come out and get 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:39.480 that lead right off the bat. and we become a 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.240 little more predictable. The play action doesn't 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:44.019 work. We don't run it as much now. That's been 00:15:44.019 --> 00:15:47.139 the last eight weeks under Johnny Moe. Maybe 00:15:47.139 --> 00:15:48.940 now that Dan's in there, he'll be a little more 00:15:48.940 --> 00:15:50.120 stubborn and say, I don't care if we're down, 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:52.419 we're running the ball. I don't know. I'm not 00:15:52.419 --> 00:15:54.860 sure if you'll see that difference or that change, 00:15:55.179 --> 00:15:57.500 but we weren't down at all yesterday, so we didn't 00:15:57.500 --> 00:15:59.779 really get to see him get pinned into a situation. 00:16:00.820 --> 00:16:05.230 But either way, it was more like the old... Reliable 00:16:05.230 --> 00:16:07.669 comfortable offense that we grew new and grew 00:16:07.669 --> 00:16:09.830 to love over the last couple seasons yesterday 00:16:09.830 --> 00:16:13.870 the Moment that the game truly was put out of 00:16:13.870 --> 00:16:17.090 reach is when the Lions scored the third touchdown 00:16:17.090 --> 00:16:21.850 in Duran pain the huge defensive tackle and possibly 00:16:21.850 --> 00:16:24.649 one of the best players the commanders have way 00:16:24.649 --> 00:16:29.129 yeah gets into a Punched st. Brown in the face 00:16:29.129 --> 00:16:31.409 basically just wound up and punched him in the 00:16:31.409 --> 00:16:34.190 face. I don't know what st. Brown said I haven't 00:16:34.190 --> 00:16:36.149 read the reports I know there's a couple of them 00:16:36.149 --> 00:16:38.929 out there right now, but apparently he said something 00:16:38.929 --> 00:16:42.350 and drawn pain just lit him up and it was I mean 00:16:42.350 --> 00:16:44.789 he got tossed he was done after that and then 00:16:44.789 --> 00:16:48.769 the ironic part was that then the Lions decided 00:16:48.769 --> 00:16:50.970 to go for two which I don't know if they were 00:16:50.970 --> 00:16:56.019 going to and then they got it and At that point, 00:16:56.220 --> 00:16:57.779 the game was certainly out of reach. I don't 00:16:57.779 --> 00:17:00.919 know if they were going for two due to some mathematical 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.700 thing. I don't know of a math, a mathematical 00:17:03.700 --> 00:17:06.519 situation that says when you're 20 to three, 00:17:06.619 --> 00:17:09.119 go for two. I don't, I don't know if it was just 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:11.720 to kind of throw it back in their face or they 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:14.599 had a reason for doing that, but it was interesting 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:16.460 to see him go for two there and then they got 00:17:16.460 --> 00:17:20.660 it. And I owe you and our listeners an apology. 00:17:21.059 --> 00:17:23.940 Eddie Goldman did dress, but was extremely limited. 00:17:23.980 --> 00:17:26.119 So he did clear concussion protocol. He had two 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:28.559 tackles, one solo, but clearly wasn't a difference 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:30.859 maker. I don't think it mattered. Yeah. All right. 00:17:30.900 --> 00:17:34.140 Let's talk a little bit about fantasy. Yeah. 00:17:34.859 --> 00:17:38.299 And our upcoming opponent, the Lions travel to 00:17:38.299 --> 00:17:41.559 the link Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.819 to face the Eagles. who are playing as we do 00:17:45.819 --> 00:17:48.859 this pod. They're playing the Packers tonight. 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:52.619 And basically this is what I think is the toughest 00:17:52.619 --> 00:17:55.140 game remaining on the Lions schedule. You know, 00:17:55.140 --> 00:17:58.059 you could maybe argue the game at SoFi, but that's 00:17:58.059 --> 00:18:01.180 pretty much a dome as far as I'm concerned. And 00:18:01.180 --> 00:18:04.160 the Lions always get up to play Stafford. This 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:05.640 is going to be outdoors. We don't know what the 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:07.619 weather is going to be like because it's six 00:18:07.619 --> 00:18:09.859 days away. It is the Sunday night game. We get 00:18:09.859 --> 00:18:11.720 the NBC crew. So you're going to get a healthy 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.890 dose of Chris Collins worth. and his shameless 00:18:14.890 --> 00:18:17.789 promotions for his company, Pro Football Focus. 00:18:18.130 --> 00:18:20.670 Chet, do you want me to give you kind of the 00:18:20.670 --> 00:18:23.170 early lines on this and maybe you can echo in, 00:18:23.269 --> 00:18:25.490 or how do you want to approach this? Give me 00:18:25.490 --> 00:18:28.410 the early lines. I'm curious to hear where we're 00:18:28.410 --> 00:18:31.970 at with a point spread, a total. This is one 00:18:31.970 --> 00:18:34.309 of those games I just, I don't see us winning. 00:18:34.529 --> 00:18:36.490 Yeah, Chet and I feel a little different where 00:18:36.490 --> 00:18:38.849 we're at here. Well, you're gonna feel better 00:18:38.849 --> 00:18:41.470 after I tell you what Vegas thinks. Okay. The 00:18:41.470 --> 00:18:43.769 line has opened. Now, mind you, the Eagles have 00:18:43.769 --> 00:18:45.410 not played, so we don't know injuries and all 00:18:45.410 --> 00:18:47.970 that. But the Lions are getting a point and a 00:18:47.970 --> 00:18:51.589 half. So basically, I'm not going to say it's 00:18:51.589 --> 00:18:53.569 a pick them, but it's as close to a pick them 00:18:53.569 --> 00:18:55.490 as you're going to get in the NFL. The over under 00:18:55.490 --> 00:18:58.210 is 48 and a half. So they don't expect it to 00:18:58.210 --> 00:19:00.690 be a high scoring affair. And if you did want 00:19:00.690 --> 00:19:03.329 to take the money line, the Lions are even money. 00:19:03.369 --> 00:19:07.380 So that tells me that Vegas. is begging you to 00:19:07.380 --> 00:19:09.799 take the Lions on this. Sure. We'll see how that 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:12.359 line moves when we do our preview on this. But 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:16.079 overall, I'm taking an optimistic approach. What 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:19.180 I do think is odd, Chet, is this is the Lions 00:19:19.180 --> 00:19:21.339 have had the most bizarre schedule this year, 00:19:21.460 --> 00:19:23.420 and it's not the first place schedule. It's that 00:19:23.420 --> 00:19:26.559 they played in succession at Baltimore, Cleveland 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.099 at home, at Cincinnati. That's three opponents 00:19:29.099 --> 00:19:32.509 from an AFC division, the AFC North. In this 00:19:32.509 --> 00:19:35.230 sequence, they are playing at Washington, at 00:19:35.230 --> 00:19:38.250 Philadelphia, New York Giants at home, Packers 00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:41.450 Thanksgiving, then the Cowboys at home. They're 00:19:41.450 --> 00:19:44.130 three of four against the NFC East. And they're 00:19:44.130 --> 00:19:46.589 playing them all in a row. Yeah, which is just 00:19:46.589 --> 00:19:49.710 bizarre. Yeah. So speckle them out there a little 00:19:49.710 --> 00:19:52.750 bit. Now, the good news is the NFC East should 00:19:52.750 --> 00:19:55.210 be called the NFC least right now outside of 00:19:55.210 --> 00:19:58.230 the Eagles at six and two. Everybody else is 00:19:58.230 --> 00:20:01.660 reeling. including the Cowboys defense, you know, 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:04.420 the Bears overcame a 10 point deficit at Soldier 00:20:04.420 --> 00:20:06.420 Field yesterday to beat the Giants who have now 00:20:06.420 --> 00:20:08.799 lost 11 straight on the road. So there's reason 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.900 for optimism. That is where we're coming in at 00:20:11.900 --> 00:20:14.819 in terms of kind of looking forward to next week. 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.559 I agree. You have every reason to be skeptical 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.990 and I know that my optimism. probably shouldn't 00:20:20.990 --> 00:20:23.910 be there, but if the line had opened, let's say 00:20:23.910 --> 00:20:26.089 six and a half, seven and a half, eight and a 00:20:26.089 --> 00:20:28.150 half chat, I'd probably be whistling a different 00:20:28.150 --> 00:20:30.630 tune. You know, Vegas tries to get equal money 00:20:30.630 --> 00:20:33.269 on either side. And what they're saying is they 00:20:33.269 --> 00:20:35.190 see this game probably coming down. I think it's 00:20:35.190 --> 00:20:37.470 going to be close. Yeah. I think it'll be a close 00:20:37.470 --> 00:20:41.890 game. Yeah. I'm thinking like 24, 21, 24, 22, 00:20:41.970 --> 00:20:44.009 something to that extent. I can see that. I can 00:20:44.009 --> 00:20:45.890 see that. And when it comes down to this chat, 00:20:45.990 --> 00:20:47.809 here's what I'm going to, I'm going to give you 00:20:47.809 --> 00:20:53.390 my three keys to it. Okay. One, I think the Lions 00:20:53.390 --> 00:20:55.789 have a better head coach. I know Nick Sariani's 00:20:55.789 --> 00:20:58.089 won a Super Bowl. I know Dan Campbell hasn't, 00:20:58.089 --> 00:21:01.150 but I trust Dan Campbell more than I trust Nick 00:21:01.150 --> 00:21:04.569 Sariani. Two, I trust Jared Goff more than I 00:21:04.569 --> 00:21:07.789 trust Jalen Hertz at quarterback. And then my 00:21:07.789 --> 00:21:10.430 other two aspects, I'm going to give a push on 00:21:10.430 --> 00:21:14.769 one and then the clear advantage elsewhere to 00:21:14.769 --> 00:21:16.609 the Eagles. And that would be offensive line. 00:21:16.609 --> 00:21:19.059 The Eagles are going to be better. edge rush 00:21:19.059 --> 00:21:21.279 and pass rush. I'm giving the edge to the Lions 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:24.920 thus far. Aiden Hutchinson is playing like a 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:27.700 man possessed this year. He is creating havoc 00:21:27.700 --> 00:21:31.519 every time. It's making plays. Brian Branch had 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:34.319 two sacks yesterday of Marcus Mariota. Both were 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.839 set up by Hutch getting double teamed and destroying 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.039 the offensive line of the commanders. No, and 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.539 my only question, Mark, is our defensive backfield 00:21:44.539 --> 00:21:48.589 and the rest of our pass rush. So They are dialing 00:21:48.589 --> 00:21:51.130 up a pass rush using guys like branch to get 00:21:51.130 --> 00:21:54.109 through the seams there I just I feel like Hutch 00:21:54.109 --> 00:21:57.470 is doing 50 % of the work on the defense right 00:21:57.470 --> 00:21:59.630 now And the rest of these guys are just running 00:21:59.630 --> 00:22:01.970 around out there a little bit. Jack Campbell's 00:22:01.970 --> 00:22:04.069 had a decent go of it Yeah, I was gonna say this 00:22:04.069 --> 00:22:06.250 has had a game or two here or there I'm not gonna 00:22:06.250 --> 00:22:08.809 take all the credit away from these guys hands 00:22:08.809 --> 00:22:11.069 alone He's been kind of missing in action at 00:22:11.069 --> 00:22:13.950 times branch has had his games, but he's also 00:22:13.950 --> 00:22:17.049 ever since his Suspension he's been a little 00:22:17.230 --> 00:22:20.329 I don't know. Not MIA. He finally came back today. 00:22:20.970 --> 00:22:22.430 Finally came back this weekend and had a good 00:22:22.430 --> 00:22:26.829 game. But our defensive backfield is just a mess. 00:22:27.109 --> 00:22:30.210 It's wrecked right now. We cannot do man coverage 00:22:30.210 --> 00:22:33.130 to save our lives at this point. Which is what 00:22:33.130 --> 00:22:35.150 Kelvin Shepherd, the defensive coordinator, loves 00:22:35.150 --> 00:22:38.569 to do. And so I will give a key to the game if 00:22:38.569 --> 00:22:40.950 we can circle back to injuries. If Kirby Joseph 00:22:40.950 --> 00:22:44.029 doesn't play, it creates a huge hole for the 00:22:44.029 --> 00:22:46.579 Lions. I agree with you, a hundred percent. Branch 00:22:46.579 --> 00:22:50.000 can't be in the box, can't be, you know, blitzing. 00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:53.160 He needs to stay at home and we can't, I know 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.559 you made fun of him earlier and I kind of defended 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.839 him, but we can't have Arthur Mallet and Amique 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:02.440 Robertson out on the islands alone. No, we can't. 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:05.720 They're not good man coverage guys. Amique, he 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:09.680 got abused yesterday by, did you, I didn't, this 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:12.880 one didn't make my radar. No, I know the name 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:16.640 change. Robbie Anderson is now Robbie Chosen. 00:23:17.299 --> 00:23:20.900 Robbie Chosen now. I know, I know. I saw, I heard 00:23:20.900 --> 00:23:23.160 that in the broadcast. I'm like, that's who that 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.079 guy is. I was like, I recognize his face. I'm 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:30.000 like, that's, oh, okay. I had the commander's 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.079 roster up on my iPad and I had to look up who 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:36.099 Robbie Chosen was. And then all of a sudden I 00:23:36.099 --> 00:23:37.900 was like, oh, Robbie Anderson's still floating 00:23:37.900 --> 00:23:40.240 around. Well, then I was also. I was like, he's 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.059 still in the NFL. But here's the thing, Bill. 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:45.119 We gave up 22 points to that offense. I know. 00:23:45.299 --> 00:23:47.539 That was missing key cogs. And Marcus Mariotta 00:23:47.539 --> 00:23:50.140 is starting, which I get Mariotta is not a bad 00:23:50.140 --> 00:23:52.119 fit. He's a great backup. I'd love to have him 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:54.119 on the lines as a backup quarterback, to be honest 00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:56.440 with you. He's better than Kyle Owen. Yeah, no 00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:00.180 kidding. So I'm there's a lot there to sort of 00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:03.200 unpack for the defense that I just didn't like 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:05.400 seeing him give up 22. And there were times when 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.339 the commanders. Seemed to be able to just shred 00:24:08.339 --> 00:24:11.279 us if they wanted to and it was very confusing 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:13.079 There were times when they seemed like they couldn't 00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:14.420 move the ball and then there were times when 00:24:14.420 --> 00:24:16.700 they seemed like You gotta do is pass it downfield 00:24:16.700 --> 00:24:18.619 and we're gonna complete the pass and be in great 00:24:18.619 --> 00:24:20.819 shape and they did They did it quite a few times 00:24:20.819 --> 00:24:23.720 So I think our offense kept them off the field 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:25.799 is what I really ain't think ended up happening 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:28.960 in the end They we played defense with our offense. 00:24:29.140 --> 00:24:32.519 Do you think you know, I think if it were a college 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.660 game there'd be more concern chat, but the fact 00:24:34.660 --> 00:24:38.869 is When you're up 22 to 3 at an opponent's stadium, 00:24:39.529 --> 00:24:41.690 and the broadcasters mentioned this as well, 00:24:41.769 --> 00:24:43.609 and I'm not giving them any credit, Kenny Albert 00:24:43.609 --> 00:24:45.950 and Jonathan Vilma were their bad selves again. 00:24:46.630 --> 00:24:49.910 But they said that it was 40, 45 % Lions fans 00:24:49.910 --> 00:24:51.789 there, and every time they showed the crowd it 00:24:51.789 --> 00:24:54.710 was pretty full of Lions fans. It's got to be 00:24:54.710 --> 00:24:56.750 disheartening for the commanders knowing that, 00:24:56.750 --> 00:24:59.210 you know, that's now five straight losses, the 00:24:59.210 --> 00:25:02.220 season's lost. They were the darlings of the 00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:05.819 NFL last year program right now right and You 00:25:05.819 --> 00:25:07.880 can tell me that they want to play for Marriott 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.619 all you all you can want I I'm sorry But they're 00:25:11.619 --> 00:25:14.500 not a good team at the moment and like you said 00:25:14.500 --> 00:25:17.799 they're coming down off quite the high I just 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:19.599 you know, it's great. We beat him. We needed 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:23.710 the win But I don't have faith in our trip to 00:25:23.710 --> 00:25:25.670 Philly at this point. I know I've been a little 00:25:25.670 --> 00:25:27.869 bit of a bummer, but until our defense can right 00:25:27.869 --> 00:25:30.789 the ship a little and show me something, I don't 00:25:30.789 --> 00:25:32.509 have a ton of confidence in keeping other teams 00:25:32.509 --> 00:25:34.509 off the board. So maybe it's a track meet in 00:25:34.509 --> 00:25:37.759 Philly. You say low score. Vegas says low score. 00:25:38.019 --> 00:25:39.680 I don't know. I'm not gonna give my prediction 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:41.299 yet I'm gonna wait a little bit on this this 00:25:41.299 --> 00:25:43.460 week Yeah, I want to see I want to see how Green 00:25:43.460 --> 00:25:45.599 Bay handles Philly tomorrow night on my tonight 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.400 a Monday night football That'll be interesting. 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:50.299 Yeah, so I only have one final thought since 00:25:50.299 --> 00:25:52.640 we're not doing predictions and this is just 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.440 Game ball. I think we already talked about who 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:58.799 we gave it to and I just for having to fill in 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:01.789 for an injured Christian mahogany He did away 00:26:01.789 --> 00:26:04.730 all the job. I know again. I was sure you like 00:26:04.730 --> 00:26:06.910 him. You like it Well, I liked how he performed. 00:26:06.950 --> 00:26:09.849 Yeah, he did. Well, he definitely was not a weak 00:26:09.849 --> 00:26:11.990 link on the line I'll tell you that much. Yeah, 00:26:12.009 --> 00:26:14.529 and aside from that golf played a great game 00:26:14.529 --> 00:26:19.549 Gibbs was amazing and Jamo, welcome back that 00:26:19.549 --> 00:26:22.079 was Quite the performance all the way around. 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:24.519 And then on the defensive side, Branch and Hutch 00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:26.420 would probably be the only guys, maybe Campbell, 00:26:26.420 --> 00:26:28.859 that I'd give a nod to. You're right. Guys are 00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:30.740 flying around out there, but they're not making 00:26:30.740 --> 00:26:33.720 as much of an impact as we'd like. And can we 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:35.940 fix our special teams too, please? The kick return? 00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:38.299 I know. What a disaster. We had a couple more 00:26:38.299 --> 00:26:41.099 bad kick return coverage. Jake Bates is making 00:26:41.099 --> 00:26:43.740 tackles out in the open field to save touchdowns. 00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:46.480 Aye, aye, aye. I know. What's going on, Mr. Phipp? 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:48.980 Can we get that all righted? We need Dave to... 00:26:49.049 --> 00:26:51.170 Course, correct that. All right. My final thought 00:26:51.170 --> 00:26:53.410 is this best end zone dance of the day. And there 00:26:53.410 --> 00:26:56.970 were plenty to go around. The sun God pointing 00:26:56.970 --> 00:26:59.710 to the president of the United States and then 00:26:59.710 --> 00:27:02.549 the Trump, he did the Trump. I mean, that was 00:27:02.549 --> 00:27:05.109 much too many people's chagrin and I don't think 00:27:05.109 --> 00:27:07.930 he was doing it to pay homage. I think he was 00:27:07.930 --> 00:27:11.710 doing it more to just sort of maybe. Shed light 00:27:11.710 --> 00:27:13.990 on the scenario or mock the scenario. I don't 00:27:13.990 --> 00:27:16.450 know if that's right But yeah, it was it was 00:27:16.450 --> 00:27:19.210 a fun funny dance and meet more people than just 00:27:19.210 --> 00:27:21.250 him I think I'm pretty sure Debo did the same 00:27:21.250 --> 00:27:23.990 thing if I'm not mistaken So when he scored so 00:27:23.990 --> 00:27:26.029 they they were all doing the dance yesterday 00:27:26.029 --> 00:27:30.569 At any rate go Lions, please listen to our sister 00:27:30.569 --> 00:27:33.890 podcast the Detroit Tigers litter box We've started 00:27:33.890 --> 00:27:37.190 free agency and doing some previews on that and 00:27:37.190 --> 00:27:40.180 with that I will bid you a good day We'll see 00:27:40.180 --> 00:27:41.859 how Monday Night Football shakes out and then 00:27:41.859 --> 00:27:43.980 we'll talk to you again before the Eagles. Go 00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:44.319 Lions!