WEBVTT 00:00:18.119 --> 00:00:23.219 Detroit lions, litter box listeners are Honolulu 00:00:23.219 --> 00:00:27.420 blue and silver warriors lost at home. to the 00:00:27.420 --> 00:00:30.500 Minnesota Vikings 27 -24, although the final 00:00:30.500 --> 00:00:34.140 score was not as close as it was when those of 00:00:34.140 --> 00:00:36.939 us watched it. The Lions really weren't good 00:00:36.939 --> 00:00:40.000 in any one of the three phases of the football 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.920 game. And my co -host Chet and I are going to 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:47.100 dissect that and give you our opinions on what 00:00:47.100 --> 00:00:50.060 the Lions need to do to right the ship and move 00:00:50.060 --> 00:00:54.100 forward in this 2025 season. Chet, your thoughts 00:00:54.100 --> 00:00:58.969 in watching this game? The immediate or what 00:00:58.969 --> 00:01:01.130 became very apparent to me right off the bat 00:01:01.130 --> 00:01:08.150 We had had a very good offensive line up until 00:01:08.150 --> 00:01:11.469 last season. I Think it got dinged up as the 00:01:11.469 --> 00:01:13.250 season went along. I think the guys got beat 00:01:13.250 --> 00:01:16.010 up We know the stories about rag now We know 00:01:16.010 --> 00:01:18.810 the stories about Decker taking a lot of punishment 00:01:18.810 --> 00:01:21.349 because that season went on they got beat up 00:01:21.349 --> 00:01:23.750 I think it got to the playoffs things got difficult 00:01:24.219 --> 00:01:26.959 Then the start of this season we lose rag now 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.939 and it's like almost like a house of cards in 00:01:29.939 --> 00:01:32.500 a lot of ways You pull that card out of the bottom 00:01:32.500 --> 00:01:35.700 and the whole thing comes tumbling down rag now 00:01:35.700 --> 00:01:39.680 retiring and you know Whatever, that's great. 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:42.260 I'm glad he got to retire. He deserves it. He 00:01:42.260 --> 00:01:45.140 got beat up He was in physical pain. You don't 00:01:45.140 --> 00:01:48.540 want a guy playing but They didn't really have 00:01:48.540 --> 00:01:53.040 a plan in my eyes that was sufficient enough 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:56.920 To rebuild that offensive line. They didn't have 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:59.939 guys that were like hey if we lose this guy We'll 00:01:59.939 --> 00:02:02.359 have this in place. It just didn't seem like 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:04.739 it They went out and got ratledge with their 00:02:04.739 --> 00:02:08.379 pick in the draft They they you know, they they 00:02:08.379 --> 00:02:10.639 move the last scout a center, which I don't think 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:14.139 is a good spot for him. And once again We saw 00:02:14.139 --> 00:02:17.099 we were really bad up the middle this past week 00:02:17.099 --> 00:02:22.300 pass and rush bill do you think? that the offensive 00:02:22.300 --> 00:02:28.159 line is mostly to blame for the offense's issues, 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:30.759 or do you think John Morton can take some blame? 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:33.780 I think there's blame to go around, but I think 00:02:33.780 --> 00:02:36.000 first and foremost, it's the offensive line. 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:41.360 I don't think the Lions were caught unaware with 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:44.099 Frank Ragnow's retirement. They clearly had a 00:02:44.099 --> 00:02:46.460 plan drafting Tate Rallich in the second round, 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:50.199 as you alluded to. I just think that how much 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.240 Frank Ragnow meant to this team in their identity 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:57.180 and the grit and the MCDC mantra of we're going 00:02:57.180 --> 00:02:59.759 to go as far as our offensive line will take 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:02.620 us might have been understated for the fact that 00:03:02.620 --> 00:03:06.250 I think Frank Ragnow, in my opinion, is a first 00:03:06.250 --> 00:03:09.210 ballot Hall of Famer and a true difference maker 00:03:09.210 --> 00:03:13.129 at a position that is highly important, but doesn't 00:03:13.129 --> 00:03:16.389 show up on the stat sheets. And you've been saying 00:03:16.389 --> 00:03:18.250 it all off season. You've said it all season. 00:03:18.810 --> 00:03:21.930 I agree that Graham Glasgow isn't probably a 00:03:21.930 --> 00:03:23.889 long -term solution. It's putting a band -aid 00:03:23.889 --> 00:03:26.189 on something that probably requires some stitches. 00:03:26.430 --> 00:03:29.590 And you know, we've got young guys in Ratledge. 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:32.979 and mahogany at both guard spots. And this is 00:03:32.979 --> 00:03:36.680 how young guys play, not super well. What I would 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:38.819 like to see the Lions do, and I think they're 00:03:38.819 --> 00:03:41.740 going to have to pay a price for it, is try to 00:03:41.740 --> 00:03:43.780 pick up the phone to the Tennessee Titans and 00:03:43.780 --> 00:03:46.680 see if Kevin Zeitler would be willing to make 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:50.740 a, you know, hop on a plane to DTW and fill in 00:03:50.740 --> 00:03:53.840 at one of the guard spots. You move Glasgow to 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:55.860 the other guard spot because mahogany is going 00:03:55.860 --> 00:03:58.180 to be out until what we're hearing late December. 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:02.300 And then What I've heard, and you've heard, we've 00:04:02.300 --> 00:04:04.800 read it, Colton Pouncey's written this many times 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:07.419 for the athletic, is that the long -term plan 00:04:07.419 --> 00:04:09.620 was always for Tate Ratledge to take over the 00:04:09.620 --> 00:04:11.979 center position. And I think the only way that 00:04:11.979 --> 00:04:14.759 can happen is if they can fortify the line with 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:17.639 a savvy veteran. Why I bring up Kevin Zeitler 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:21.160 is because he was fantastic last year. He knows 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:23.639 the offense. He would have the shortest runway 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:27.160 to get up to speed. The problem is instead of 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.620 signing him to a... Friendly contract you're 00:04:30.620 --> 00:04:32.720 now gonna have to give up draft capital to the 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:34.839 Titans. They're not gonna let him go for nothing 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:38.259 Yeah, that was I you know as I'm watching the 00:04:38.259 --> 00:04:40.519 game You're watching them bring pressure up the 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:42.980 middle and it when they blitzed it was awful 00:04:42.980 --> 00:04:46.160 I mean golf had no time when they just put on 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:48.620 a regular old pass rush We couldn't handle it 00:04:48.620 --> 00:04:51.060 and we had guys missing blocks. We had guys missing 00:04:51.060 --> 00:04:54.220 assignments You saw I saw a play where mahogany 00:04:54.220 --> 00:04:56.500 went over and blocked a guy that was being blocked 00:04:56.500 --> 00:05:00.019 by Decker He shifted over and they doubled this 00:05:00.019 --> 00:05:02.300 guy the guy didn't need to be doubled and somebody 00:05:02.300 --> 00:05:04.879 blew right through mahogany's hole there like 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:06.800 that He just left it was like he just didn't 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.379 really know where to go And I think sometimes 00:05:09.379 --> 00:05:11.680 you see that happening where you just have these 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:14.860 missed assignments on the on the line And it's 00:05:14.860 --> 00:05:18.939 it's leaving goth in peril. And Goff is not a 00:05:18.939 --> 00:05:21.439 mobile guy. He is not a creator with his feet. 00:05:21.620 --> 00:05:24.240 He's a creator with his arm. He does some beautiful 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.120 things with his arm, but when it comes to his 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:28.639 feet, it's just not there. If they are going 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.980 to go with this distilled, this watered down 00:05:31.980 --> 00:05:34.459 O line that they now have, they have to have 00:05:34.459 --> 00:05:36.040 a mobile quarterback. They don't have that. So 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:38.120 they need to get back to building that line back 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:40.740 up to what it was. You know, even if we had had 00:05:40.740 --> 00:05:43.720 a mobile quarterback, I don't know how much difference 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:47.360 it would have. I mean, there was a point for 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:50.420 our listeners when Chet and I were timing the 00:05:50.420 --> 00:05:54.899 snap until Goff had to step up or sidestep in 00:05:54.899 --> 00:05:58.800 the pocket. And it was between 1 .5 and two seconds 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:03.019 every time. And so there's a few glaring concerns 00:06:03.019 --> 00:06:06.399 right now. Is John Morton to fault? I don't think 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:08.600 so. I mean, I think blame can go around everywhere 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:10.959 on the offensive side of the ball, but how is 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:14.139 he supposed to get guys open on third and nine, 00:06:14.339 --> 00:06:16.980 third and seven, third and eight, if there isn't 00:06:16.980 --> 00:06:19.720 enough time? And I don't know. Jared Goff could 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:22.319 be the second coming of Carl Lewis in terms of 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.220 mobility and quickness and speed. And I don't 00:06:25.220 --> 00:06:28.120 know that it would have made any difference because 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:32.560 I still, I mean, the safeties were at home. They 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:35.540 had a linebacker either blitzing or spying. So 00:06:35.540 --> 00:06:38.180 even if it was just a brilliant game plan, and 00:06:38.180 --> 00:06:40.459 I have to give a tip of the cap to Brian Flores, 00:06:40.779 --> 00:06:43.160 the Vikings defensive coordinator, I cannot wait 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:44.839 for him to get another head coaching job and 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:47.100 just get out of our frigging division. I was 00:06:47.100 --> 00:06:49.379 stunned at this statistic. Since Flores has been 00:06:49.379 --> 00:06:52.899 the DC at the Vikings, the Lions have always 00:06:52.899 --> 00:06:55.620 scored more than 30 points up until yesterday. 00:06:56.339 --> 00:07:00.019 So. Quite frankly, the Lions have had his number 00:07:00.019 --> 00:07:02.939 more so than the opposite, but the guy is a genius. 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:05.779 He deserves another head coaching opportunity. 00:07:05.899 --> 00:07:08.680 And I say it selfishly speaking, I just don't 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.100 want to face him twice a year because his blitz 00:07:11.100 --> 00:07:14.579 packages are effective. They work in the Lions 00:07:14.579 --> 00:07:18.399 looked flummox yesterday. You talked about mahogany. 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.399 The other two guys that really struggled were 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:25.040 picking up blitzers. Gibbs got blown up. I think 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.620 eight or nine times. Monte had one play where 00:07:28.620 --> 00:07:31.120 he did it right, but the other four he did not. 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.800 Neither one of them were good in pass block yesterday. 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.620 They had linebackers flying up the middle that 00:07:37.620 --> 00:07:40.920 were, you know, blowing past our O line, just 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:42.800 finding the gaps. I mean, that's what Flores 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:45.360 does. That's his specialty. Like you, you alluded 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:47.879 to that. Like he dials these blitzes up. He's 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:51.500 very creative with it. And I think we may be 00:07:51.500 --> 00:07:55.160 seeing the difference here between a Ben Johnson 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:59.290 and a Johnny Morton. I think flora's out coached 00:07:59.290 --> 00:08:01.970 Johnny Morton yesterday And I think we're seeing 00:08:01.970 --> 00:08:03.870 the big difference here Johnny Morton can put 00:08:03.870 --> 00:08:06.790 the offense out there and get him humming He's 00:08:06.790 --> 00:08:10.189 got so much talent to work with though It's like 00:08:10.189 --> 00:08:13.470 you've got a guy who has some of the best most 00:08:13.470 --> 00:08:16.819 talented offensive pieces in the land Of course, 00:08:16.819 --> 00:08:18.579 he's going to have some success. But when you 00:08:18.579 --> 00:08:21.560 get into these games where there's a higher minded 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:24.399 defensive coach or high, like what's he doing 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:27.560 to combat that game plan and give them a chance 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:30.420 yesterday? You know, I can give you passing stats 00:08:30.420 --> 00:08:32.720 here, Bill, but you saw it with your own eyes. 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.440 We couldn't throw a ball down field. We didn't 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:40.059 throw a pass over. We threw three passes over 00:08:40.059 --> 00:08:42.220 20 yards. The funny thing was two of them were 00:08:42.220 --> 00:08:45.539 for touchdowns. So they succeeded, but only three 00:08:45.539 --> 00:08:47.940 passes over 20 yards, three passes downfield. 00:08:48.100 --> 00:08:50.019 And we were playing from behind a lot of this 00:08:50.019 --> 00:08:54.399 game. So we were throwing a lot. So what frustrated 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:57.919 me is the Vikings up to this point came in with 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:01.399 a three and four record. And most recently, the 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.679 last time they played, they played the Los Angeles 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:06.399 Chargers. Jim Harabaugh and the Chargers loved 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:09.039 to establish the run and they ran the ball down 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:13.440 the Vikings throw. The middle of the A defensive 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.419 line was beat up for the Vikings, but I thought 00:09:16.419 --> 00:09:19.320 if the Lions, and I made a bold prediction that 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:20.759 I thought the Lions were going to, you know, 00:09:20.899 --> 00:09:23.240 really take the Vikings to the woodshed. The 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:25.779 problem was what I didn't think would happen 00:09:25.779 --> 00:09:27.620 is that the Lions wouldn't be able to run the 00:09:27.620 --> 00:09:31.480 ball. They abandoned the run way too quick and 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:34.179 a couple of things stuck out. Number one shot, 00:09:34.580 --> 00:09:38.149 they couldn't. generate more than two and a half, 00:09:38.190 --> 00:09:40.429 three yards on first down, no matter what they 00:09:40.429 --> 00:09:42.750 tried. So they were always in these second and 00:09:42.750 --> 00:09:45.169 long, third and long situations. But a very vanilla 00:09:45.169 --> 00:09:47.970 approach. Very vanilla. I mean, the run game 00:09:47.970 --> 00:09:50.590 is so vanilla. There's no change of direction 00:09:50.590 --> 00:09:52.789 anywhere. I mean, we're not being deceptive at 00:09:52.789 --> 00:09:55.309 all. And I think the other team knows what's 00:09:55.309 --> 00:09:57.149 coming, and we're just relying on Montgomery 00:09:57.149 --> 00:10:00.690 or Gibbs to be good. And they are. But it's not 00:10:00.690 --> 00:10:02.990 going to work every time. Yeah, and they kept 00:10:02.990 --> 00:10:06.960 running. St. Brown in motion and Jamo in motion 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:09.879 and I kept waiting for a jet sweep and end around 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.259 a direct snap to one of those guys some sort 00:10:12.259 --> 00:10:15.840 of misdirection just because it seemed that the 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:18.700 Vikings weakness was on the edges in the perimeter 00:10:18.700 --> 00:10:21.500 Yeah, and the Lions didn't do enough to attack 00:10:21.500 --> 00:10:24.960 it and that opening drive where Sam Laporta was 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:27.700 just all world and then they stopped then he 00:10:27.700 --> 00:10:30.059 disappeared I couldn't figure that out again. 00:10:30.340 --> 00:10:32.879 Yeah, it went to him again in the fourth quarter 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:34.580 And of course, he caught the ball and it was 00:10:34.580 --> 00:10:36.600 a first down. And I'm going, where did he go 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.000 for three quarter? What happened there? You know 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.120 what they did. They brought him into block because 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:42.820 they couldn't get anything. They couldn't get 00:10:42.820 --> 00:10:44.840 any time. They couldn't get off any time to go 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:46.700 downfield, which is, you know, that's part of 00:10:46.700 --> 00:10:48.419 the reason why we only had three throws down 00:10:48.419 --> 00:10:50.960 over 20 yards. We didn't have any time. I mean, 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:54.019 he gets two and a half seconds. He's got he has 00:10:54.019 --> 00:10:56.820 the least, not the least, but he's in the bottom 00:10:56.820 --> 00:11:00.220 quarter for time to throw in the league. at 2 00:11:00.220 --> 00:11:03.059 .68 seconds or 2 .8 seconds or something like 00:11:03.059 --> 00:11:06.360 that. It's not good. And last year, the Lions 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:09.480 were second in the NFL in big plays throughout 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.580 the season. And third down, I believe they finished 00:11:12.580 --> 00:11:15.179 either top five or top six in the NFL in terms 00:11:15.179 --> 00:11:17.659 of conversions. Going into yesterday's game, 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:21.240 I believe they were 25th or 26th. And at one 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:23.519 point in the game, they were only completing 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:29.370 third downs at 25 % clip. And you saw my notes, 00:11:29.389 --> 00:11:31.309 like, it's not that I checked out in the second 00:11:31.309 --> 00:11:33.210 half, but it was three and out, three and out, 00:11:33.269 --> 00:11:36.970 three and out, three and out. And the Lions aren't 00:11:36.970 --> 00:11:40.950 built to... No NFL team is built to survive multiple 00:11:40.950 --> 00:11:43.169 three and outs. You only get so many possessions 00:11:43.169 --> 00:11:46.870 because of the way the NFL clock works, the way, 00:11:46.889 --> 00:11:49.710 you know, the clock runs on first downs. You 00:11:49.710 --> 00:11:51.389 know, unless you go out of bounds, the clock 00:11:51.389 --> 00:11:54.149 doesn't stop until the two -minute warning, typically. 00:11:54.590 --> 00:11:57.870 So it was... It was a frustrating game because 00:11:57.870 --> 00:12:00.509 the Lions left so much out on the field. And, 00:12:00.509 --> 00:12:03.090 you know, when you're ready, I'm happy to talk 00:12:03.090 --> 00:12:06.100 about the other two phases. I'm going to make 00:12:06.100 --> 00:12:08.580 one last point here. I want to correct a stat 00:12:08.580 --> 00:12:10.980 I just gave a minute ago. Time to throw yesterday 00:12:10.980 --> 00:12:15.539 on average was 2 .36 seconds. That is not enough 00:12:15.539 --> 00:12:19.500 time to get a ball out. That's not even enough 00:12:19.500 --> 00:12:22.299 time to get a ball out on a 10 plus yard route. 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.139 And here's what the pass dispersion was yesterday. 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:28.500 We had eight throws behind the line of scrimmage. 00:12:29.019 --> 00:12:33.200 We had a grand total. grand total of 16 throws 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:37.799 within 10 yards from 0 to 10 yards So that's 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.740 that's 24 passes less than 10 yards. That's not 00:12:41.740 --> 00:12:43.620 that's just you're just getting the ball out 00:12:43.620 --> 00:12:46.360 quick That's a hot read. Basically. Those are 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.899 basically runs Yeah, they're only six passes 00:12:49.899 --> 00:12:53.759 total between the 10 and 20 and 3 over 20 yards 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:56.840 So you had nine passes over 10 yards? That's 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.580 not come on. That's horrifying in an offense 00:12:59.580 --> 00:13:02.220 like this with the talent you got You got to 00:13:02.220 --> 00:13:04.360 find a way to get him the ball and it does come 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:07.279 down to And I think this is all predicated on 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:09.879 the fact that there's no protection He can't 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:12.980 run a play With that that gets that that far 00:13:12.980 --> 00:13:14.200 down the field because he didn't have time to 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:16.879 get the ball out You saw I think they had a great 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.000 behind from like a like an end zone cam shot 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.700 of our offense And the pressure that golf was 00:13:22.700 --> 00:13:25.559 under on this one play and and our receivers 00:13:25.850 --> 00:13:28.450 Hadn't even made it into their break in their 00:13:28.450 --> 00:13:31.549 pattern yet and golf was being sacked It was 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:34.090 it was like a complete collapse and I don't even 00:13:34.090 --> 00:13:36.509 think it was a blitz I think it was just a rush 00:13:36.509 --> 00:13:39.769 that caved on him Yeah, so we got some work on 00:13:39.769 --> 00:13:42.769 the o -line and yeah, you're right. I I'm behind 00:13:42.769 --> 00:13:45.370 you on this I don't have faith that they'll do 00:13:45.370 --> 00:13:47.909 it but I think Brad Holmes is actually going 00:13:47.909 --> 00:13:51.429 to have to go out and give up some capital deadline. 00:13:51.490 --> 00:13:55.409 Yeah, or We're gonna try to eke into the playoffs 00:13:55.409 --> 00:13:57.990 with like nine wins and ain't gonna happen not 00:13:57.990 --> 00:14:00.730 in this division right now We got four teams 00:14:00.730 --> 00:14:02.529 in this division. They're competitive right now 00:14:02.529 --> 00:14:06.370 for again year -over -year Four teams going after 00:14:06.370 --> 00:14:08.850 it till the end of the season. I mean we could 00:14:08.850 --> 00:14:11.870 end up in The way things are trending and I'm 00:14:11.870 --> 00:14:14.389 not trying to be this isn't hyperbola. This isn't 00:14:14.389 --> 00:14:17.509 crazy We had the last place the Bears are on 00:14:17.509 --> 00:14:20.230 the upswing The Vikings are now on the upswing 00:14:20.230 --> 00:14:23.019 that they got McCarthy back And the Green Bay 00:14:23.019 --> 00:14:24.980 is being Green Bay, although they lost to the 00:14:24.980 --> 00:14:26.919 Panthers at Green Bay this weekend. I mean, any 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:29.460 given Sunday, right? Can happen any given Sunday. 00:14:29.860 --> 00:14:32.200 Yeah, but what's most concerning, though, is 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:34.559 that that was a divisional loss. And so now the 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:37.379 Lions are one and two in the division. And so 00:14:37.379 --> 00:14:39.500 that Thanksgiving Day game against Green Bay 00:14:39.500 --> 00:14:43.600 becomes essentially a must win to have any hope 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.120 of winning the division, which maybe that's already 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:48.600 out of reach. I don't think so at three losses, 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:51.419 given that Green Bay lost, given that You know, 00:14:51.539 --> 00:14:53.539 the Bears did win, but they didn't look good 00:14:53.539 --> 00:14:56.120 doing it. Let me do real quick. Yeah. I'm not 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:57.580 going to give the scores, but I'm just going 00:14:57.580 --> 00:15:00.120 to give the top five bottom five for the offense. 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:03.620 Penne Soule, again, is your top five PFF grade. 00:15:03.659 --> 00:15:07.220 Eighty four point five. Sam Laporte. followed 00:15:07.220 --> 00:15:09.779 him up. Jared Goff scored pretty well. He was 00:15:09.779 --> 00:15:11.659 above average, given the fact that he had no 00:15:11.659 --> 00:15:13.279 time to throw. And some of the moves... He still 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.639 had a quarterback rating like 116 or 108 or something 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:17.879 good. Some of the moves he made... Something 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:20.740 crazy. I would compare to a ballerina doing a 00:15:20.740 --> 00:15:23.480 pirouette. I mean, he is... Yeah. He missed some 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:25.899 throws, but he made some plays too when he shouldn't 00:15:25.899 --> 00:15:29.200 have. He is our guy. And then St. Brown and Jamo 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:32.179 finish out the top five. No surprise here, Chet. 00:15:32.379 --> 00:15:35.960 Graham Glasgow at 44 .9 was your lowest. David 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.299 Montgomery had an awful day, 46. Taylor Decker, 00:15:39.539 --> 00:15:41.740 I know he's battling a shoulder injury, and he 00:15:41.740 --> 00:15:44.120 hurt his knee yesterday. He had a great quote 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:47.759 chat. The reporters gathered at his locker. I 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.620 don't know if you saw this. And they asked him 00:15:50.620 --> 00:15:52.820 how bad the knee was. He goes, I'm taking so 00:15:52.820 --> 00:15:54.679 much stuff from my shoulder, I couldn't tell 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.379 you which knee's even hurt. I'm guessing the 00:15:58.379 --> 00:16:00.980 Taylor Decker that we're getting out there is 00:16:00.980 --> 00:16:03.929 at about 50%. I think they're just, I think he's 00:16:03.929 --> 00:16:06.250 just a body at this point and he's better than 00:16:06.250 --> 00:16:08.690 like Skipper or whoever that we could, but barely. 00:16:08.889 --> 00:16:10.529 I mean, I think you can put Skipper in there 00:16:10.529 --> 00:16:13.289 and see results that are similar. That's no knock 00:16:13.289 --> 00:16:15.230 on Decker. I love the fact that he's tough and 00:16:15.230 --> 00:16:18.049 he's trying to get it done, but at some point 00:16:18.049 --> 00:16:20.970 his injuries are just going to add up. And again, 00:16:21.110 --> 00:16:23.970 I feel really, this looks like a Frank Dragnau 00:16:23.970 --> 00:16:26.250 part two at the end of this season. I don't know 00:16:26.250 --> 00:16:29.169 what Decker's got left in the tank. Same. And 00:16:29.169 --> 00:16:31.330 then all the appreciation in the world for the 00:16:31.330 --> 00:16:34.850 guy. But same. He's a warrior. Love him. Just 00:16:34.850 --> 00:16:37.289 final two for the bottom five. Brock, right. 00:16:37.570 --> 00:16:41.929 And then Jameer Gibbs, he was getting blown up 00:16:41.929 --> 00:16:44.750 like he couldn't block a linebacker to save his 00:16:44.750 --> 00:16:48.629 life and save his life. Small guy. But holy cow, 00:16:48.690 --> 00:16:50.669 there were some plays there that I mean, they 00:16:50.669 --> 00:16:53.190 diagrammed one that was just ridiculous. Yeah, 00:16:53.629 --> 00:16:56.720 yeah. All right, let's move over. I want to call 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:58.919 one more thing out before you jump. I know you 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:02.539 did your bottom five. Did you see Christian Mahogany's 00:17:02.539 --> 00:17:08.160 pass block grade for PFF? It was bad. 19 .9. 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.359 Horrifyingly awful. And that's your left guard. 00:17:12.180 --> 00:17:16.720 Come on. I mean, he and Glasgow 33 .9, 19 .9 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:19.960 for pass block. No wonder we're like a sieve 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.390 for crying out loud up the middle. So going back 00:17:22.390 --> 00:17:25.289 to trade deadline for the longest point in time, 00:17:25.289 --> 00:17:28.609 I was all about getting a Jalen Phillips. Yeah. 00:17:28.730 --> 00:17:31.289 Another edge. He's now on his way to Philadelphia. 00:17:31.450 --> 00:17:33.549 So the rich get richer. And that really bothers 00:17:33.549 --> 00:17:35.369 me. They only gave up a third round pick for 00:17:35.369 --> 00:17:37.750 him. I know he's a rental, but you know, you 00:17:37.750 --> 00:17:39.390 could sign him. He doesn't want to be in Miami. 00:17:39.450 --> 00:17:42.170 Nobody wants to be in Miami at this point. So 00:17:42.170 --> 00:17:45.329 I'm very frustrated with that. And now, you know, 00:17:45.329 --> 00:17:47.910 to your point, we probably need another tackle 00:17:47.910 --> 00:17:50.009 because who the heck knows what's going to happen 00:17:50.009 --> 00:17:52.509 with Decker and his health. Not his fault. He's 00:17:52.509 --> 00:17:55.549 just beat up. And then you have to do something 00:17:55.549 --> 00:17:57.789 either at center or guard. And I just don't. 00:17:57.849 --> 00:18:00.390 We talked about it in the previous pod. Offensive 00:18:00.390 --> 00:18:03.269 linemen that are above average to good don't 00:18:03.269 --> 00:18:05.829 get moved in the NFL. And so if this Zeitler 00:18:05.829 --> 00:18:08.789 deal doesn't work out, Brad Holmes better be 00:18:08.789 --> 00:18:10.509 working the phones today. So let's talk about 00:18:10.509 --> 00:18:13.009 the defense. They allowed 27 points. I don't 00:18:13.009 --> 00:18:15.819 have. really game balls chat. Derek Barnes played 00:18:15.819 --> 00:18:18.339 well. These are your top five. Yeah. I don't 00:18:18.339 --> 00:18:20.220 know how he scored this high because he seemed 00:18:20.220 --> 00:18:22.420 to be whiffing every time I saw him. I know who 00:18:22.420 --> 00:18:25.220 you're going to say. Double A or A squared, Alex 00:18:25.220 --> 00:18:27.799 Ancelone. And then another guy that I didn't 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:30.099 see at all during the game was Tyleek Williams, 00:18:30.099 --> 00:18:34.220 but they gave him a 69 .6. I think the team on 00:18:34.220 --> 00:18:38.759 a whole did OK with the run up the gut when they 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:42.029 got out around the edges. they burned us, whether 00:18:42.029 --> 00:18:45.890 it was a quick pass out there or a run. Our corners 00:18:45.890 --> 00:18:49.230 weren't stepping up and tackling very well at 00:18:49.230 --> 00:18:52.829 all. Our linebackers weren't getting out there 00:18:52.829 --> 00:18:54.890 to make the plays. Everything up the gut from 00:18:54.890 --> 00:18:57.670 the defensive standpoint was pretty good. Everything 00:18:57.670 --> 00:19:00.329 out on the edges was not great at all. And that 00:19:00.329 --> 00:19:03.109 goes for Amique Robertson and, you know, Terry 00:19:03.109 --> 00:19:06.329 and Arnold's tackling and run defense was terrible 00:19:06.329 --> 00:19:09.789 in this game. He did good coverage wise. but 00:19:09.789 --> 00:19:11.809 on the run he never came up to make any plays 00:19:11.809 --> 00:19:14.130 on the edge neither branch was kind of missing 00:19:14.130 --> 00:19:17.569 in action too yeah your bottom five pff are meek 00:19:17.569 --> 00:19:21.819 robertson Terry on Arnold Arthur mullet who is 00:19:21.819 --> 00:19:24.519 part of the legion of whom and then Brian branch 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:27.460 the only non Secondary guy that made that was 00:19:27.460 --> 00:19:30.319 Eileen McNeil who had a 39 Eileen McNeil had 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:35.039 a rough game a rough go to Penalties really bad 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:38.039 costly penalties. I do want to give a shout out 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:39.680 though to Arnold He did get his first career 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:42.200 interception and I do that was a gutty play. 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:44.660 That was pretty good I do hope that you know, 00:19:44.660 --> 00:19:47.519 we're seeing better things up coming here In 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:50.059 coverage, he was good. It's just that helping 00:19:50.059 --> 00:19:52.740 out in the run game. Didn't do it. The two final 00:19:52.740 --> 00:19:55.099 guys on the top five were Hutch and Campbell, 00:19:55.259 --> 00:19:57.519 who both had great games. We have to talk about 00:19:57.519 --> 00:19:59.539 it because we did actually get a note in our 00:19:59.539 --> 00:20:02.839 inbox on this. And the question was, was that 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.619 a legit personal foul on Jack Campbell putting 00:20:05.619 --> 00:20:08.380 his body weight down on McCarthy on that sack? 00:20:08.819 --> 00:20:12.650 I hate these fouls. These are... I think the 00:20:12.650 --> 00:20:14.549 broadcasting crew, and I have to give kudos, 00:20:14.630 --> 00:20:18.049 Kevin Berker and Tom Brady were... They shed 00:20:18.049 --> 00:20:20.289 light on it. No, they were magnificent. Gene 00:20:20.289 --> 00:20:22.849 Sterator answered it right away. It was the right 00:20:22.849 --> 00:20:25.950 call. It's a bad rule. It's a bad rule. We don't 00:20:25.950 --> 00:20:28.490 have to like the rule, but it was the right call. 00:20:28.670 --> 00:20:31.150 And I don't know what Jack Kibble was supposed 00:20:31.150 --> 00:20:34.089 to do. Putting your weight on somebody is part 00:20:34.089 --> 00:20:36.730 of tackling. Yeah. You're supposed to put your 00:20:36.730 --> 00:20:38.970 weight on them. I mean, if you just don't understand 00:20:38.970 --> 00:20:42.289 what he was... what he could have done in that 00:20:42.289 --> 00:20:44.670 instance, other than feign that he wasn't putting 00:20:44.670 --> 00:20:47.269 his weight on him. Because, like, I think sometimes 00:20:47.269 --> 00:20:48.710 when the guy's like, oh, I'm not doing anything, 00:20:48.750 --> 00:20:50.450 you know, like, the ref will let him off. But, 00:20:50.490 --> 00:20:53.069 like, Campbell laid him out. And he should have. 00:20:53.069 --> 00:20:56.049 He was in a dead rush at him. And McCarthy's 00:20:56.049 --> 00:20:58.369 a mobile guy, a slippery guy. What if he, like, 00:20:58.410 --> 00:21:00.289 you know, what if he did lay up and McCarthy 00:21:00.289 --> 00:21:02.829 slid out of it? Then he'd look really bad. Exactly. 00:21:02.910 --> 00:21:04.690 So I don't know what they expect. You got to 00:21:04.690 --> 00:21:07.769 let him execute. Yeah. And then the other... 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.059 personal foul was when Hutch tried to leg -whip 00:21:11.059 --> 00:21:14.359 him. Yeah, I saw that. In his bad knee, which 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:16.140 I thought was a little bush league for a guy 00:21:16.140 --> 00:21:18.079 that had his leg broken last year. They'd been 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:19.980 going after Hutch all season with that, too, 00:21:20.099 --> 00:21:22.099 and I believe there were some complaints to the 00:21:22.099 --> 00:21:23.799 league about it, and then he went and whipped 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:25.799 him, tried to whip him with his leg or, like, 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:28.779 stick his leg out there to interfere. I don't 00:21:28.779 --> 00:21:30.900 know what it was. These are ticky -tack things 00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:33.660 that football players 50 years ago would have 00:21:33.660 --> 00:21:36.220 been like... Exactly. Exactly. They wouldn't 00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:38.960 recognize this game. Yeah. All right. Anything 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:40.799 else on the defense before we move to special 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:42.799 teams? I got nothing. Alkanine Mohammed looked 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:46.180 pretty good. Bob Mohammed looked pretty good 00:21:46.180 --> 00:21:49.210 on this one. Arthur Mullet. actually got really 00:21:49.210 --> 00:21:51.950 bad special teams grades, too. I think we've 00:21:51.950 --> 00:21:54.130 seen maybe the last of Arthur Mollet if we can 00:21:54.130 --> 00:21:56.609 get a D -back back into this thing. Get somebody 00:21:56.609 --> 00:21:58.970 off the injured. Unfortunately, DJ Reid will 00:21:58.970 --> 00:22:00.690 not be coming back this coming week. It'll be 00:22:00.690 --> 00:22:03.009 the following. He told some reporters he's eligible 00:22:03.009 --> 00:22:04.569 to come off, but it's going to take him another 00:22:04.569 --> 00:22:07.470 week. So you're going to see a little more Rokyasin, 00:22:07.589 --> 00:22:09.730 maybe? I wouldn't mind seeing him instead of 00:22:09.730 --> 00:22:12.490 Mollet, to be dead honest with you. Yeah, it 00:22:12.490 --> 00:22:14.829 was a rough one all the way around. Tough game. 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:18.140 So a question for you is, as we move to special 00:22:18.140 --> 00:22:21.559 teams, I find it really interesting that outside 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:25.039 of Khalif Raymond, Jack Campbell and Sam Laporta, 00:22:25.740 --> 00:22:28.319 none of the other regulars contribute on special 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.680 teams whatsoever. And I feel like this is just 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.099 me and I know he'll probably get hurt the first 00:22:34.099 --> 00:22:36.240 time it happens, but I'd be willing to take that 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.180 risk. Why wouldn't you have Jamo return kicks? 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:42.960 You know, I've thought about this. It seems... 00:22:43.019 --> 00:22:45.980 odd that we have the guys back there returning 00:22:45.980 --> 00:22:48.259 kicks that we do, but I do think it's an injury 00:22:48.259 --> 00:22:50.579 risk situation. I mean, why wouldn't you have 00:22:50.579 --> 00:22:52.980 Saint Brown return kicks? Why wouldn't you have, 00:22:52.980 --> 00:22:54.940 you know, you got to get any of these guys to 00:22:54.940 --> 00:22:56.940 return kicks. I just think, you know, you want 00:22:56.940 --> 00:22:58.900 to keep them out of harm's way as much as possible. 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:01.279 And look, we've guys going down, dropping like 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:03.740 flies in this game again. So I'm not I'm not. 00:23:03.849 --> 00:23:06.049 Excited to get Jamal out there returning kicks 00:23:06.049 --> 00:23:08.529 or Saint Brown or anyone for that matter I'd 00:23:08.529 --> 00:23:10.650 rather they just stayed out of there and Khalif 00:23:10.650 --> 00:23:13.170 Raymond returning kicks at least kickoffs instead 00:23:13.170 --> 00:23:15.470 of sailors or whatever might be a better idea, 00:23:15.710 --> 00:23:19.569 but It is what it is. I don't have a big take 00:23:19.569 --> 00:23:21.289 on it other than I'm glad that they're not out 00:23:21.289 --> 00:23:24.490 there getting hurt So special teams was horrible. 00:23:24.549 --> 00:23:27.940 It started with the opening The Lions, the Vikings 00:23:27.940 --> 00:23:30.460 won the toss. They deferred. The Lions marched 00:23:30.460 --> 00:23:32.240 down the field. La Porta scores that amazing 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:35.599 touchdown. They kick off. And a rookie runs it 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:37.460 right up the gut. There were missed tackles. 00:23:37.700 --> 00:23:40.019 And the Vikings were on the Lions side of the 00:23:40.019 --> 00:23:42.359 50. I think they were at the 36. I feel like 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.599 we had three kick returns that just got blown 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:48.220 to yesterday. Exactly. One was called back. It 00:23:48.220 --> 00:23:50.599 would have been a touchdown. I mean, it was... 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:54.400 What is going on? Yeah, so I like... our special 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:58.539 teams historically under MCDC. Dave Phipp is 00:23:58.539 --> 00:24:02.319 the special teams and he's highly regarded, but 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:05.059 it was again, the Lions were not good in all 00:24:05.059 --> 00:24:07.519 three phases. They came out lethargic like they 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:09.559 did week one against the Packers. It's almost 00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:11.640 like it's a veteran team and they're kind of 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:13.339 letting their foot off the gas when they have 00:24:13.339 --> 00:24:15.440 these bye weeks. They had a field goal blocked, 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:17.859 which is super important. It is odd that two 00:24:17.859 --> 00:24:19.839 years in a row now we've had rough games after 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.000 a bye week. You'd think it wouldn't be that way, 00:24:22.019 --> 00:24:25.579 but. And Chat, the other thing with that is that 00:24:25.579 --> 00:24:27.759 field goal was super important because that would 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:30.980 have taken the game to overtime. And J .J. made 00:24:30.980 --> 00:24:33.640 a huge tactical error when he stepped out of 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:35.980 bounds and stopped the clock there. So the Lions 00:24:35.980 --> 00:24:38.579 could have won this game and they didn't. And 00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:41.420 it's frustrating. All right. Next opponent is 00:24:41.420 --> 00:24:45.000 the Washington commanders and Landover, Maryland. 00:24:45.259 --> 00:24:48.759 It's a godawful stadium I've been. It takes forever 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:50.859 to get there. It takes even longer to get out. 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:54.750 There's nothing charming about it. Um, they actually, 00:24:54.930 --> 00:24:56.930 it's the only NFL stadium I've been to, Chet, 00:24:56.990 --> 00:25:00.410 that they sell a fast pass like Disney so that 00:25:00.410 --> 00:25:02.750 you don't have to wait 20 minutes to get a beer 00:25:02.750 --> 00:25:07.329 and a hot dog or whatever. It's god awful. Fortunately, 00:25:07.710 --> 00:25:09.450 new ownerships is there and they're going to 00:25:09.450 --> 00:25:11.390 build a new stadium in a much better location. 00:25:11.890 --> 00:25:14.849 Here's why I like the Lions chances going into 00:25:14.849 --> 00:25:17.769 this week. The quarterback, Jaden Daniels, had 00:25:17.769 --> 00:25:20.349 a gruesome injury yesterday, dislocated his elbow 00:25:20.349 --> 00:25:22.519 and he is out. probably for the season. They 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:25.720 haven't said that yet. And then their second 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:28.019 best offensive player or maybe best offensive 00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:31.359 player is Terry McLorin, scary Terry. He is not 00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:34.460 going to be back next week. So the commanders 00:25:34.460 --> 00:25:37.359 surprised us all last year in the divisional 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.799 round of the NFC playoffs. You know, Lyons had 00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:42.279 the best record, you know, we're at home and 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:44.319 then got punched in the mouth by the commanders. 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.309 Couldn't really stop them. I think the opposite 00:25:47.309 --> 00:25:49.109 is going to be true this week, Chet. I think 00:25:49.109 --> 00:25:51.650 the commanders are the team limping in with far 00:25:51.650 --> 00:25:53.650 too many injuries. They were the oldest team 00:25:53.650 --> 00:25:57.309 in the NFL and still are the oldest team in the 00:25:57.309 --> 00:25:59.950 NFL. And I expect this to be a get right game. 00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:02.470 I think both running backs light it up. I expect 00:26:02.470 --> 00:26:05.410 more from Laporta. So this is kind of my fantasy 00:26:05.410 --> 00:26:08.170 tease. You're going to get the Marcus Mariota 00:26:08.170 --> 00:26:10.650 show too, which is, I mean, he's the kind of 00:26:10.650 --> 00:26:13.829 quarterback we like to go after. Great guy. But, 00:26:13.829 --> 00:26:15.950 uh, meaning if you've watched him on the quarterback 00:26:15.950 --> 00:26:18.130 or any of the TV shows, he just seems like a 00:26:18.130 --> 00:26:21.430 nice person, but boy, he is not NFL starting 00:26:21.430 --> 00:26:24.809 quarterback caliber. What else do you want to 00:26:24.809 --> 00:26:28.490 say about the Commanders and in well previewing 00:26:28.490 --> 00:26:30.349 other than the fact that yes, so they're saying 00:26:30.349 --> 00:26:32.690 Jaden Daniels be out about seven weeks So we're 00:26:32.690 --> 00:26:35.329 not gonna see him which bodes well for the Lions 00:26:35.329 --> 00:26:37.630 You're probably not getting Terry McCorn and 00:26:37.630 --> 00:26:39.329 when he has been in there. He's been hurt this 00:26:39.329 --> 00:26:42.660 season. He just can't stay healthy So you're 00:26:42.660 --> 00:26:45.059 going to get a watered down version of the commanders. 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:47.920 You're going to see probably not everything, 00:26:47.980 --> 00:26:50.380 but I guarantee you we aren't going to have our 00:26:50.380 --> 00:26:53.380 issues ironed out by then. A trade deadline is 00:26:53.380 --> 00:26:55.759 tomorrow, Bill. Yes. And we're going to have 00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:58.039 something for the listeners post trade deadline 00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:00.640 later in the week here to kind of go over what 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.460 happened and what we did and didn't do. But I 00:27:03.460 --> 00:27:07.000 just don't I don't see help coming in a big we 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.579 may get a bit player or two, but I just don't 00:27:09.579 --> 00:27:13.240 see it, Bill. I don't. See the Brad Holmes Empire 00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:17.599 Choosing to throw a third rounder out there for 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.700 somebody or a second rounder even or you know 00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:23.279 Or a fourth is fourth even seems tough for him. 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:25.660 You're not gonna have to give that up for a Kevin 00:27:25.660 --> 00:27:28.220 Seidler Okay, it's probably hope not that'd be 00:27:28.220 --> 00:27:30.859 great. Yeah, I think it's like if that's the 00:27:30.859 --> 00:27:33.319 case I'm saying why not why because eight games 00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:36.170 have already transpired. Yeah, and yeah He's 00:27:36.170 --> 00:27:38.710 on a one year deal. He's, you know, the wrong 00:27:38.710 --> 00:27:41.329 side of 35. I'm just using him as an example. 00:27:41.829 --> 00:27:44.990 I think we need a left tackle to a guy like a 00:27:44.990 --> 00:27:47.049 Cam Robinson might be out there and available 00:27:47.049 --> 00:27:50.529 for us. Who knows? Know I know but you need somebody 00:27:50.529 --> 00:27:52.890 you got to get I mean, it's the damn skipper 00:27:52.890 --> 00:27:56.289 show if you don't do Cam Robinson So all right, 00:27:56.369 --> 00:27:58.490 see there could be some excitement, but I just 00:27:58.490 --> 00:27:59.950 don't see it happening I think we're gonna be 00:27:59.950 --> 00:28:01.549 rolling the same thing out there You just see 00:28:01.549 --> 00:28:04.269 the same players and we're gonna work with this 00:28:04.269 --> 00:28:06.470 and see if we can't get ourselves eke ourselves 00:28:06.470 --> 00:28:08.769 into the playoffs this season That's my my take 00:28:08.769 --> 00:28:11.569 but as far as commanders go they're beat up. 00:28:11.769 --> 00:28:13.849 We should get healthy this week I don't think 00:28:13.849 --> 00:28:17.690 it's gonna be a blowout Yeah, can I talk a little 00:28:17.690 --> 00:28:21.250 Vegas on this? Yeah. The line opened at Lions 00:28:21.250 --> 00:28:24.490 being favored by three and a half, with Jayden 00:28:24.490 --> 00:28:26.650 Daniels getting hurt last night because they 00:28:26.650 --> 00:28:29.710 played the Sunday night game against the Seahawks. 00:28:31.069 --> 00:28:33.849 It's now jumped to 7 .5. Oh my goodness. The 00:28:33.849 --> 00:28:36.670 Lions are still the favorites. The over under 00:28:36.670 --> 00:28:39.750 right now is 50 and a half. And for those that 00:28:39.750 --> 00:28:41.829 are into the money line, there's no money on 00:28:41.829 --> 00:28:44.109 the Lions. It's negative 500 to make your money 00:28:44.109 --> 00:28:47.730 back. The commanders, it's plus 360, which seems 00:28:47.730 --> 00:28:52.869 pretty generous. Or risky, I guess I should say, 00:28:52.970 --> 00:28:55.630 given that Marcus Mariotti is going to be your 00:28:55.630 --> 00:28:59.410 quarterback on that. Wouldn't touch any commander's 00:28:59.410 --> 00:29:02.150 players in fantasy. And I gave you the Lions 00:29:02.150 --> 00:29:03.990 that I think the Lions are going to run the ball. 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.880 I think the play action's gonna reemerge. I think 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.180 John Morton's gonna call a really good game plan. 00:29:09.579 --> 00:29:12.299 I think Kelvin Shepard's gonna dial up some blitzes. 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.240 One thing I do think the Lions need to be cognizant 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.160 of, though, and Shepard needs to as well, going 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.339 into this game next week, is they are in man 00:29:20.339 --> 00:29:23.740 -to -man so much. If you're starting Rakiasen 00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:27.119 and Mullet, you need to blend in some zones. 00:29:27.299 --> 00:29:31.619 And the guy that we really need back is Curvy 00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:34.460 Joseph. If we can get Kirby back, I think that 00:29:34.460 --> 00:29:38.200 could go a long way to the Lions D forcing turnovers 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.799 that they can actually convert and generate some 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.220 points. I'll give you my prediction when we do 00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:46.440 our snack. We'll have a little more. We're going 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:48.259 to update the line for you and everything else 00:29:48.259 --> 00:29:51.160 later in the week. Can we call it a fun size 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.440 pod since we just had Halloween and you have 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.279 a fun size candy bar. We'll do a fun size pod 00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.450 for the preview. Not quite as long and drawn 00:29:59.450 --> 00:30:01.930 out as after a loss like yesterday, and we're 00:30:01.930 --> 00:30:03.829 all miserable and need to get it all out of our 00:30:03.829 --> 00:30:06.410 system. It is interesting, though, that you think 00:30:06.410 --> 00:30:08.630 that Brad Holmes is going to take the Scott Harris 00:30:08.630 --> 00:30:10.829 approach. I think he is. For those that aren't 00:30:10.829 --> 00:30:13.609 aware, we do have a sister podcast, the Detroit 00:30:13.609 --> 00:30:16.049 Tigers Litterbox, so please give that a listen. 00:30:16.170 --> 00:30:18.210 I disagree with you. I think Brad Holmes is going 00:30:18.210 --> 00:30:19.509 to be aggressive. I expect to see... I think 00:30:19.509 --> 00:30:21.829 Brad and Scott dine together. I think they dine 00:30:21.829 --> 00:30:23.589 together and talk about building from within 00:30:23.589 --> 00:30:26.049 in the draft and everything. Do you think they 00:30:26.049 --> 00:30:28.789 get, like, very... excited when they when they 00:30:28.789 --> 00:30:32.809 know they don't split a greek salad in a i don't 00:30:32.809 --> 00:30:35.049 think your dog likes us talking about this though 00:30:35.049 --> 00:30:38.849 no he's bill's not torturing his dog right now 00:30:38.849 --> 00:30:41.869 he just wants to play all right he wants to go 00:30:41.869 --> 00:30:45.269 for a walk we put this so you can walk carl yes 00:30:45.269 --> 00:30:48.390 yeah carl is not happy with you coming down on 00:30:48.390 --> 00:30:50.630 brad home so i'll tell you that that's exactly 00:30:50.630 --> 00:30:53.509 what it is Sorry, Carl, I like Brad too, but 00:30:53.509 --> 00:30:55.289 I just don't think he's going to shell out the 00:30:55.289 --> 00:30:58.250 bucks for a trade deadline piece. All right, 00:30:58.430 --> 00:31:00.890 folks, we're going to wrap it here so Bill can 00:31:00.890 --> 00:31:03.750 walk the dog and I don't want to hear him whine 00:31:03.750 --> 00:31:06.170 anymore. And we'll see what happens with the 00:31:06.170 --> 00:31:07.789 trade deadline. We'll be back with you later 00:31:07.789 --> 00:31:10.509 in the week to give you updates on that. See 00:31:10.509 --> 00:31:12.750 if there's any major changes. Not thinking there 00:31:12.750 --> 00:31:16.019 will be. and we'll give you a little more in 00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:19.819 -depth preview of the Lions Commanders game that 00:31:19.819 --> 00:31:23.599 will take place in DC. Until then, try and lick 00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:25.839 your wounds from this past weekend's loss and 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:27.380 go Lions! Go Lions!