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This is the Litterbox, a Detroit Lions podcast

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with your hosts, Shet West and Bill Patterson.

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Lions Litterbox listeners, we have an exciting

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tilt this week. Monday night football against

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the Baltimore Ravens. The Lions are four and

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a half point dogs. However, this host is feeling

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optimistic that the Lions are gonna get their

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first victory in the city of Baltimore since

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1977. I'm gonna go early on my prediction and

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say that the Lions win this 24 to 23. Chet, what

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do you have to say? I think your prediction is

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optimistic, to say the least. I do not believe

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we win this game. And I think there are too many

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things. that have to happen right for the Lions

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to pull out a victory here. I'm taking 31 to

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17 as a final score. And I'll be curious to see

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if the Lions can even score that much on this

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Ravens defense. They aren't the Ravens defense

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of yesteryear that was dominating, but they are

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still quite good. They have a few key injuries

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which I think could play to the Lions favor on

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this. I know that I'm coming off very Pollyanna

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-ish. I just know that the Lions are six and

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one all time against the Ravens. That 1977 victory

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actually happened against the Baltimore Colts.

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But hear me out on this. One of the key injuries,

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and I'm going to probably mispronounce this name,

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but it's in Domine Maduke is their defensive

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tackle and he is out. Isaiah, likely their backup

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tight end or second tight end is out. Another

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gentleman who they utilize quite a bit, Patrick

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Ricard, a fullback, is also out. I think the

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secret to their defense the last, say, few seasons

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has been a familiar name to us. Chet, he was

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a Lions draft pick that the Lions couldn't figure

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out how to utilize, yet had a very successful

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Pro Bowl career in New England and also in Baltimore,

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and that's Kyle Van Noy, who is also out. The

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only player out for the Lions right now, Chet,

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is a very familiar face, Marcus Davenport, or

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should we call him Marcus Always Hurt? Well,

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He's not out for the season, so he's just out

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for the week at this point. Usually Davenport

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gets these injuries that take him out for the

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season. And I think he did a pretty good job

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pronouncing Marabuke's name there, Namdi Marabuke.

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I think he's, I think he's, I think it's Namdi

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Marabuke, but he's probably their biggest loss.

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He was a guy that really scared me. in the initial

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offing here, because you know how our interior

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O -line has had its struggles between the center

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and the guard there. So him being out does help.

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Yeah, I mean, the same keys to the game that

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we've talked about the previous two weeks. Chet

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are going to be present here and that is going

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to be a Glasgow at center and then the two young

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guards flanking him on either side, both the

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left and right and Tate Ratledge. played much,

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much better week two over that of week one. And

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I would say that Christian Mahogany also did

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the same. Glasgow, you know, we've been critical

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of him. However, having a key disruptor, a three

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technique defensive tackle out can only help

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the Lions in this. I know that I'm optimistic

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in my prediction and that is contingent on the

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Lions being able to run the football like they

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did against the Bears. I'm more worried in this

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game. I'm more worried about our defense containing

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their offense. Well, that's a bigger worry. That

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is the crazy part. And the statistic that we

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mentioned in our recap on the Bears is that Lamar

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Jackson is 26 and two against the NFC, which

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is otherworldly. And the question I have for

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you is why do we think that is? And then number

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two, does that revert more to a norm? Because

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I did a little digging on this chat. And I've

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never seen an AFC, NFC quarterback split quite

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like this. Yeah. I don't, I don't know that there's

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anything to it other than the fact that, you

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know, who has he played in the NFC in his 32

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outings? I don't, I'm not going to sit and say

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that it's like he's got the NFC number because

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that doesn't make any sense. Why would it be

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any different than versus the AFC? But he is

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a very good quarterback. He is a mobile quarterback,

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which we know the Lions haven't dealt well with

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a mobile quarterback in years. So he presents

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a lot of threats. And with Derrick Henry in the

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backfield, our run defense is going to have to

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be on point. Absolutely. And I think if I can

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give my opinion or hypothesis on this. He's a

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dual threat quarterback, but he operates at the

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highest level possible. So if Jayden Daniels

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did what he did to the Lions beat up defense

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last year in the playoffs, Lamar Jackson would

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be Coke from Mexico with cane sugar. And Jayden

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Daniels would be diet Coke with, or he's tab.

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Do you remember tab? He's tab. He's got saccharin.

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There's some saccharin in there. He's very light.

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I agree with you. I agree with what you're saying

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there. I think he poses a threat and I think

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for the Lions to win this game, first and foremost,

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I'm going to present a sentence to you. What

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do the Lions have to do to win this game, Bill?

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Win the turnover battle and they have to dominate

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time of possession, meaning they have to be able

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to run the ball and stop the run and have at

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least three explosive plays. I'm with you up

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to the explosive plays. I'm less worried about

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explosive plays. We need to make sure we win

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the turnover battle. We need the defense to make

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a couple plays in this game to turn the tide.

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Number two is keep Lamar Jackson on the bench,

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i .e. time of possession. Keep the ball in our

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offense's hands. Couldn't agree more. We cannot

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get into, against this defense, and they still

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have some talent out there, we cannot get into

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third and long. We've got to stay out of third

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and long. Jared Goff in third and nine is, it's

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a, he's, it just isn't his best down. And it's

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not for anybody, right? Like nobody wants to

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be in third and long, but Jared Goff in third

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and long becomes very predictable passing down

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and then we lose a lot of our edge and leverage

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there. And to that, to your point on that, the

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play action offense, which is what Jared Goff

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is so successful at, whether Ben Johnson's is

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OC, whether Johnny Morton's is OC. They can predicate

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throwing on first downs to set up second and

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third and shorts. Mm -hmm. Keep the Ravens offense,

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which is a two -headed monster. Mm -hmm. Three

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if you add in Zay Flowers, although I think Terryon

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Arnold has his best game of the season this week.

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Don't forget, you got to contain D -Hop, too.

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Yeah. I mean... No, they've got weapons everywhere.

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They've got weapons all over. I love this Lions

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roster, and I agree with Dan Campbell saying

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this is the most talented roster he's ever had.

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However... When I look across at the Ravens lineup

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and their roster, it is stacked. It is proof

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of an organization that just continues to draft

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well and pick their spots in free agency, meaning

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D Hopkins, Derek Henry. Just how successful of

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a franchise you can be. Kyle Van Noyce also,

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you know, Rokan Smith. Rokan Smith's one of the

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best middle linebackers in the game. They seem

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to first and second round picks and not only

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reclaim them but make them even better. Derek

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Henry being the exception, he was awesome. And

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Tennessee as well. I just think the margin of

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error in this game is minimal for the Lions.

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So can I give you three players that I, these

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are my picks to click if the Lions are going

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to win the upset. Yes. Number one, Jack Fox.

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When the Lions do have to punt, he has to be

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excellent, which he has been the first two weeks,

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pin the Ravens deep in their own territory. Number

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two, And I know he's playing with an ankle that's

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been bothering him. We have to see Jack Campbell

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really be a great run stopper and be the quarterback

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of the defense. The last guy I would say was

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also on the defensive side of the ball, and that's

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going to be Brian Branch. He needs to do what

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he's been doing in the first two games this season,

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flying around, creating havoc, creating turnovers,

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because again, that turnover battle is going

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to be paramount to this. And then the interior

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of the offensive line. I know you and I have

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talked about this ad nauseam. I hope they can

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continue the path that they had last week. I

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know they're going to go up against much steeper

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competition. However, we don't need to lay a

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50 burger on the Ravens. I do think first team

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to 24 probably gets this done. I just, Chet,

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I have to say, when I look down the schedule,

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and you and I have texted about this offline,

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how exciting is it that the Lions are in so many

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prime time? Well, and they're against all good

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teams. Their schedule is very tough. And now

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that Green Bay looks like probably one of the

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best teams in the NFL at this point, makes it

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even more difficult because you're adding them

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into the mix. Yeah. And I'm not, look, Carson

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Lentz taking over the helm for the Vikings. This,

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this may last longer than one game. Are you,

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are you giving us some insider info from the

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Twin Cities? I just think that I, you know, I

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have this feeling. that Carson Wentz is gonna

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bring some things out of that offense that J

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.J. McCarthy couldn't. I don't know if it's permanent.

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I don't know that McCarthy doesn't, you know,

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doesn't take over the, you know, get back into

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the starting spot. I mean, they're gonna give

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him, they've invested in him, they're gonna give

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him a chance. I'm just saying it could be interesting

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to see what Carson Wentz is able to do with this

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offense. And then maybe what McCarthy can learn

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from it. But not a Vikings podcast, but the NFC

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North. I'm just looking at it. And like the Bears

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look like the pushover, obviously, they're absolutely

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horrifying. But the rest of the division between

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Minnesota and Green Bay isn't going to be a pushover.

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They're going to be a challenge. So we'll see

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what happens. I feel like this game is kind of

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the tipping point. I mean, here we are in week

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three. What do you do against the Ravens? Do

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you compete? Or do you look hapless like you

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did against Green Bay and their defense or the

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Ravens game last year for our listeners? If I

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remember that. Yeah. No, the Lions were out of

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it by the end of the first quarter. Yeah, it

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was. And my that's my fear. Yes. If we can't

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contain Henry and keep and just minimize his

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damage. The next thing is the pass rush. We have

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to have a pass rush. If we don't pressure Lamar

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Jackson and contain Henry, this game will be

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over by halftime. For sure. We have to get pressure

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on Lamar Jackson. And their line is beat up.

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Their line isn't that good. So we can get pressure

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on him. We can do it. But we have to get the

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pressure on him and contain Henry. And for listeners,

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because we're not on video, Chet raised both

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eyebrows. I did. Very curiously when I brought

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up Jack Fox. Yes. Do you have any players that

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we should keep an eye on? Jake Fox? Jake Fox?

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Jake Fox. Jake Fox. I don't know who Jack Fox

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is. He's like your milk guy or something. No,

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no, no. But like, Jake Fox. Wasn't he like an

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actor on... Jack Fox? He might have been. He

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might have been an actor. On Lost or something

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like that. But you're not going to get... But

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that's Matthew Fox. These inside looks that we're

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giving you folks here, I mean, who else has the

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punning game? a key to victory out there in the

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podcast, Lion's podcast world. Nobody, nobody's

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written that up. But Bill, if Fox sticks a couple

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of punts inside the 10 and flips a field for

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us or something, I'm coming right back to you

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next episode and saying, good work, my friend.

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You pointed something out the rest of the world

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didn't see. So that might mean that some stadium

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mustard might be on its way. Maybe some stadium

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mustard will be on its way, a little gift for

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a good pick on your behalf. So Bill, if you're

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a betting man, and I know you are to a degree

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or another, as am I, we're looking at a line

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of four and a half, Baltimore minus four and

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a half. I actually think I would take Baltimore

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giving that four and a half in this game, per

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my score that I gave you earlier. And the total

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at 53 points, which that's a lot of scoring.

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I'm going to take the under. on the points for

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this one. I just don't see... I don't know that

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I see the Lions. If the Lions win, I don't think...

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I think they're gonna do it by limiting Baltimore

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and keeping them off the board and off the field,

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which would drive the points a little lower.

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And I don't see the Lions putting up 52 in this

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game against this defense. I think it'll be more

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of a street fight. if the Lions actually win.

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I could see Baltimore crushing them, but if that

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happens, I don't see the Lions putting anything

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on the board and Baltimore would be getting all

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the points. Your thoughts? My thoughts are, I

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agree with you on the under. I'm seeing, you

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know, between 53 and 53 and a half. And both

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of our predictions let us, I think your total

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would have been 51 points. I think you said 31,

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17. Oh no, so 48. And, uh, mine was a much lower

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score than that, uh, 24 or 23. And I still kind

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of like the Lions getting four and a half points.

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I think the Lions too low, meaning that if I

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wanted the Ravens, I'd. The Lions I'd want at

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least plus seven plus seven and a half. You'd

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want a tiny in there. Yeah Yeah, so, you know

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some just interesting facts The Ravens have scored

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the opening touchdown in one game out of two

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that they've played so far each one of the touchdowns

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on their Opening touchdown drive has been via

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the air and the Ravens have not scored in the

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first quarter a touchdown this year. So just

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interesting stats if we want to go to the fantasy

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angles Lamar Jackson is all world in fantasy.

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And again, we talked about his unbelievable record

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26 and two against the NFC. He was a plug and

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play against any defense as far as I'm concerned.

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I think if you had to look at the receivers and

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tight ends for the Ravens, Zay Flowers is the

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best bet. I don't know that DeAndre Hopkins or

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Mark Andrews. is going to get you really what

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you need, depending on who else you have out

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there. And then Derek Henry is going to be feast

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or famine. He's either going to have a 940 yards

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or he's going to have 40. Yeah. 90 plus yards

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and two touchdowns, or he's going to have 12

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carries in, like you said, 40 yards and be a

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bust. But you still have to start him if you

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have him, because he's amazing. What do you think

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of the Ravens wide receivers, though? Because

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I'm kind of keying on Zay Flowers. Zay Flowers.

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Do you think Zay is the guy? I think Zay is the

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play. OK. All right. Very good. What about you?

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Do you agree? I think DHOP could surprise in

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this game, too. OK. I mean, I think Zay might

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get the coverage. Who knows? I don't know that

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I'm sold on Terry and Arnold being the lockdown

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corner or anything. So he's going to get his

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catches, but I'm wondering if DHOP blows up a

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little bit in this game. Yeah, we'll see. We'll

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see. And then Mark Andrews is battling some injuries.

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He's up there in years as well. I would not start

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him unless you had to. And Isaiah likely is battling

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a foot injury. He is out. But everything that

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I've heard listening to other pods reading is

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that Isaiah likely is going to be the Starting

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in main focus tight end. I don't think when he

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gets healthy tight ends. I don't think the Baltimore

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Titans are a player Yeah, so let's talk about

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the Lions. Yep Jared Goff is complete and total

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feast or famine I don't think he's gonna have

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the fantasy outlook that he had last week So

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I have three players that I would focus on if

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you were focusing on the Lions number one would

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be Amun Ra st. Brown. I think he's gonna still

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have eight plus catches Don't know if he's going

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to find the end zone, especially not three times

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like he did last week, but he would be my go

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-to. Like Lamar on the other side, he's the auto

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-start on the Detroit side. Auto -start. And

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then the second auto -start would be Jameer Gibbs.

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He's going to get his. In terms of carries and

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touches, I just don't know how... I disagree.

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You? Okay, great. I disagree here. I like disagreements.

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I think this is going to be a David Montgomery

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game. Okay. All right. Well, we will see on that.

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It's a little more smash mouth, a little more

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of a physical running game for the Lions in this

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game. So you think, I'm going with David Montgomery

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over Gibbs in this one. So Knuckles gets more

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carries and more touches. You know what's really

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fascinating about the Lions backs is that not

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only are they both complimentary to each other,

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but they're both great at blocking. catching

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and running the ball, which is so rare in today's

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NFL. Something you notice about this Lions team,

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and I think this comes from the coaching and

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the way they build the team, they expect their

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receivers and their backs to block and be good

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at it. So you can't work in this offense if you

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aren't good at blocking and doing those little

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things. Tislaw is, I mean, part of the reason

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they draft the guys because he's so physical

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and good at that aspect of the game. Jameson

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Williams is actually a great blocker. Out on

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the edge, when these guys go out around the edge

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and you got a wide receiver blocking, Williams

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actually does a really good job of blocking,

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which kind of, you know, maybe an unsung portion

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of his repertoire. So my last fantasy play would

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be if you have Sam Laporta. This is a game that

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I can see him being a mismatch for the I agree.

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Baltimore linebackers. Yeah, he obviously will

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be brought into block, but that's primarily Brock

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Wright's job Brocktober. So I can see Sam Laporta

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also having a pretty big game. So Quan Smith

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is a good middle linebacker and a good running.

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defense linebacker. I don't know that they have

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the pass coverage at the linebacker level to

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keep up with Laporta. So that is an interesting

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call. Can I go into just Lamar Jackson player

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props briefly? Sure. Yeah. Okay. Give us some

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player props. So his over under four passing

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yards is 234 .5. I like that. I think I would

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take the over on that. Because if they're down,

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they're going to start throwing. And if they're

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up, they're going to throw. Is it going to be

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up because they're throwing? Okay. I disagree,

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but that's, that's what's fun about this. His

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rushing yard prop, the over -under is 44 .5.

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I don't know that he's going to get that. I don't

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think he gets that. Do you go under on that?

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Okay. So I'm the exact opposite. Okay. I am going

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under because he's averaging so far this year,

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217 yards through the air. I know it's two games,

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small sample size, and then I'm going to go over

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the 44 and a half. He has not gone over his passing

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yard total in this season. And he does have a

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passing touchdown in both games and has had multiple

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passing touchdowns. Last statistic, this is getting

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away from Lamar Jackson, but the Lions are ranked

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second in the NFL for scoring two touchdowns.

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in the first quarter this year. So if they get

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off to a quick start, it could be fantastic.

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Optimistic for the Lions. Anything else you'd

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like to add? I think we've covered it pretty

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well here on the betting angles and the fantasy.

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I don't have anything extra to throw in there.

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I've got one more and it's Derrick Henry's rushing

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yards over under is at 86 .5. We already talked

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about it. He's either going to go well beyond

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that. That's a boom or bust. I don't know that

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it's a bet. I don't know that that's a prop I'm

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putting any money on just because it could go

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either way. I've been awful on player props.

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He's in our idea to start things off. I don't

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think we have enough sample size yet. I don't

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know. That bet to me says - Take every, the opposite

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of everything I give you guys, just take. Because

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right now I've been terrible with it. Well that

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one I'm just saying just send Vegas your your

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yeah Just give them your whatever your your scene

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out or whatever it is. You're putting on that

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player prop All right. I do have a food. Yeah,

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I asked you Do you have any picks to click in

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the game before I get into the click my picks

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to click for this game? I think that our defense

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needs to have a good game as a whole our run

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defense I'm not gonna I'm gonna go out and say

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that yes Campbell needs to be effective, but

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our line needs to stop the run at the line. We

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need to have pressure and penetration. So DJ,

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if Eric Henry gets to the linebackers, we're

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in trouble because I don't see if I really don't

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want to see our linebackers making tackles four

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or five yards across the line of scrimmage. I

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want to see him getting stuffed up at the line.

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So if he gets the second level, we're in trouble

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and the pressure on the quarterback. So the defense

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is my number one pick to click. I know that sounds,

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it's like a cheat because I picked the whole

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damn defense, but okay. That's not picking the

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punter. The other pick to click, the intermediate

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yardage. We need to see Goff completing passes

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to the likes of Laporta and Aman Ra, who's going

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to be a part of the game regardless, probably.

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But I wouldn't mind seeing Tisla. Get introduced

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a little more an intermediate yardage. I feel

00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:44.019
like he could be a very good possession receiver

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He's got the size So we'll see if he can run

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the route over the middle or if he's just good

00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:51.319
on the fly pattern down the sideline We'll see

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we'll see what happens. I like it coleslaw to

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food And so I'm gonna do an extension of what

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we talked about when the Tigers in our sister

00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:03.359
podcast Detroit Tigers litter box We talked about

00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:07.180
food in Baltimore's famous for two things primarily.

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Crab cakes and natural bohemian beer. But they

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also put old base seasoning on their french fries,

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their crabs, their crab boils, their shrimp boils,

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crab cakes. Chet, the question for you is...

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How familiar are you with Old Bay and how do

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you feel about it? I'm very familiar now because

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you've gone through this before on our Tiger's

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Pod when we played the Orioles. You did a deep

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dive. Folks, go over to the Litterbox Detroit

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Tigers podcast, find the Orioles game recap,

00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:40.940
and you can hear Bill talk about his Old Bay

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there. But I'm very familiar. It's a wonderful

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seasoning for seafood. I'm less about seasoning

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my seafood, though. I like to put some drawn

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butter on my crab. And that's really how I go

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with it. I don't know so much, like, about the

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spices and whatnot. I'm not that into it. Yeah.

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And I may be violating some Chesapeake Bay mandate.

00:23:01.190 --> 00:23:05.789
I don't know. I just am not the biggest Old Bay

00:23:05.789 --> 00:23:10.049
fan. And the balloon popped for me when I was

00:23:10.049 --> 00:23:13.309
told to order crab fries. And I was expecting...

00:23:13.309 --> 00:23:16.210
I had fries. A chin. It's basically fries with

00:23:16.210 --> 00:23:19.000
Old Bay seasoning. Sounds delightful. Okay, but

00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:22.559
I was don't ask me why I was expecting like tachos,

00:23:22.660 --> 00:23:25.980
you know fries with like cold crab meat and maybe

00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:29.220
like a You're about to say takis. By the way,

00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:31.359
do you know what a taki is? Yeah, they give them

00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:35.140
away. Yeah, they're spicy. I love them. Yeah

00:23:35.140 --> 00:23:37.420
Post bowls game, but you're gonna try to compare

00:23:37.420 --> 00:23:39.880
a crab fry to a taki, you know, never he's gonna

00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:41.900
really we're really stretching the bounds here

00:23:41.900 --> 00:23:45.170
two different spice levels. Okay So I agree with

00:23:45.170 --> 00:23:48.269
a little bit of seasoning for a boil. I don't

00:23:48.269 --> 00:23:50.970
necessarily like adding it to, and I thought

00:23:50.970 --> 00:23:53.789
crab fries were going to be this wonderful, I

00:23:53.789 --> 00:23:56.970
don't know, like crab topping on it or cheese

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or something like that. And all it really was

00:23:58.630 --> 00:24:00.690
was Old Bay. And I have to admit it was kind

00:24:00.690 --> 00:24:04.509
of wah, wah, because I like to let the natural

00:24:04.509 --> 00:24:07.549
crab meat do the work. Exactly. I'm not sure.

00:24:07.569 --> 00:24:09.589
Like just a little drawn butter to bring some

00:24:09.589 --> 00:24:14.500
out. Kind of, you know, I don't really need spices

00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:17.720
on my seafood, especially my crustaceans, but

00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:20.619
whatever, you know, maybe it's like if you have

00:24:20.619 --> 00:24:24.000
bad crab meat. Is there bad crab meat? I'm sure

00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.059
there's bad, like cheap crab meat. Like if you've

00:24:26.059 --> 00:24:27.819
got a Long John Silver, do you need the spices

00:24:27.819 --> 00:24:30.519
on the meats? Do they even have crab? I don't

00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:32.640
think so. I think they just have clam. They have,

00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.279
like, clam. And shrimp. And shrimp. It has to

00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:37.799
be fried. Fried. It's like shrimp and clam. And

00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:39.640
they fry it, and they put it in all sorts of

00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:41.519
spices to hide the fact that it's seven years

00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:43.779
old, probably. I don't know. All right. Go Lions.

00:24:43.940 --> 00:24:46.880
And we'll be back with you to talk about this

00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.380
post game and then preview the Cleveland Browns

00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:50.240
upcoming next.